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| 11:33.53 | gsocbot | pranjal710: "next" is Beginning 24 August 2012, passing students can begin submitting code samples to Melange with a soft deadline of 14 September 2012 at 19:00 UTC. See http://goo.gl/NRoRW for more details. |
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| 17:44.56 | Nightrose | yay! @ Code-in 2012 :) |
| 17:47.02 | allman | :) We're excited! |
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| 17:49.18 | allman | We've made a bunch of changes to the program this time. Hope you all approve. (Actually, I'll be thrilled if many of you like most of the changes but I'm thinking positive ;-) |
| 17:49.39 | Nightrose | hah |
| 17:49.41 | Nightrose | sounds good |
| 17:49.48 | Nightrose | allman: are they published somewhere already? |
| 17:49.55 | allman | http://www.google-melange.com/gci/homepage/google/gci2012 |
| 17:49.59 | Nightrose | looks |
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| 17:51.13 | Nightrose | first thing i notice is no more translation tasks? |
| 17:51.20 | allman | true |
| 17:51.22 | Nightrose | i can see why |
| 17:51.26 | Nightrose | it's a bit sad of course |
| 17:52.08 | Nightrose | ah and only 1 point tasks |
| 17:52.11 | Nightrose | interesting |
| 17:52.20 | Nightrose | let's see how that'll work :) |
| 17:52.46 | allman | exactly - we're trying new things. |
| 17:53.20 | Nightrose | yeah |
| 17:53.22 | Nightrose | that's good |
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| 17:53.58 | Nightrose | oh |
| 17:54.02 | Nightrose | and no more money? |
| 17:54.08 | Nightrose | i approve i think |
| 17:56.13 | Nightrose | ohhh and the orgs get a vote on the grand price winners? awesome |
| 17:56.20 | allman | :) We want to see if removing the money results in more participants who stay involved with the project after the contest ends. We expect fewer participants. |
| 17:56.33 | Nightrose | *nod* |
| 17:56.49 | Nightrose | i expect the same and hope that the staying around part is true :) |
| 17:56.50 | allman | So glad you like that! |
| 17:57.05 | allman | the orgs picking the winners |
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| 17:58.04 | Nightrose | well this looks good all in all - let's start already :P |
| 18:01.32 | allman | Let's start by spreading the word of the program, and then having interested orgs apply to be mentors :) We announced a bit earlier than usual to have more time to get the word out. |
| 18:01.46 | Nightrose | done already :P |
| 18:01.55 | allman | Thanks! |
| 18:02.04 | Nightrose | you're welcome |
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| 18:07.33 | tomprince | I wasn't able to find anything about applying as an org. |
| 18:07.48 | allman | let me check that. |
| 18:07.57 | Nightrose | neither |
| 18:08.05 | Nightrose | but I assumed it is too early for that |
| 18:09.20 | JordiGH | Wait, more free coadz for us? |
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| 18:09.26 | JordiGH | I want free coadz. All the coadz. |
| 18:09.27 | JordiGH | How do I get them? |
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| 18:10.21 | gevaerts | JordiGH: there's no money involved, so it's not for you ;) |
| 18:10.23 | gevaerts | runs |
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| 18:10.50 | JordiGH | Don't need money for free coadz. |
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| 18:12.06 | allman | ah - Carol has schooled me - thanks, Carol! :) We directly invite past GSoC orgs to apply. Contact Stephanie via email if your org is interested. |
| 18:12.26 | |Kev| | Past GCI or past GSoC? |
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| 18:13.20 | allman | good question: My understanding is that GCI orgs have always been GSoC orgs first. |
| 18:14.01 | |Kev| | Seems reasonable. I really fancy doing GCI but don't think we could do it justice. |
| 18:14.44 | Nightrose | allman: Stephanie's email says applications start in a month |
| 18:14.50 | Nightrose | that's correct? |
| 18:15.01 | allman | yup |
| 18:15.06 | Nightrose | k great |
| 18:15.07 | tomprince | That was my thought too, so I was looking for more information, to figure out if it would be appropriate to apply. |
| 18:15.29 | allman | Sorry - slang Englis - "yes" |
| 18:15.35 | allman | "english" |
| 18:15.48 | allman | "takes off mittens before typing more" |
| 18:15.54 | Nightrose | :D |
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| 18:18.54 | sfb | Neat. |
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| 18:22.54 | sfb | Only 10 accepted mentoring organizations huh? |
| 18:23.08 | Nightrose | sfb: ? |
| 18:23.13 | gevaerts | sfb: the email doesn't say which base is used |
| 18:23.14 | JordiGH | Nightrose: Email just went out. |
| 18:23.33 | sttaylor | Yes, 10 mentoring organizations this year |
| 18:23.52 | sfb | sttaylor: That's a change, kind of back to the GHOP days? |
| 18:24.28 | joancreus | why only 10? i liked variety last year |
| 18:24.38 | sttaylor | yes we have made some changes that are very similar to the GHOP days |
| 18:24.54 | JordiGH | How many were there last year? |
| 18:25.13 | carols | JordiGH: 18 |
| 18:26.32 | Nightrose | fears these 10 will be a bit run over |
| 18:26.54 | Nightrose | but maybe it'll be few enough students without the money |
| 18:27.17 | carols | Nightrose: we are indeed curious to see what leaving the money out of the equation does for participation :-) |
| 18:27.22 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 18:27.31 | joancreus | the money cut will discorauge c2assembly mass tasks |
| 18:27.36 | joancreus | probably encourage quality |
| 18:27.46 | Nightrose | waves @ joancreus |
| 18:28.15 | joancreus | hi! |
| 18:28.35 | joancreus | hopes Nightrose makes Mediawiki participate unlike last year :) |
| 18:29.16 | Nightrose | joancreus: heh let's see - my heart surely beats in two places now |
| 18:29.28 | joancreus | oh, kde & mediawiki ? |
| 18:29.34 | Nightrose | yes |
| 18:30.18 | joancreus | Nightrose: #kde-devel , i'm doing something which might and only might if the stars align be useful to kde |
| 18:30.41 | Nightrose | \o/ |
| 18:33.23 | kblin | sfb: to be honest I don't think we managed to take that much from GHOP |
| 18:33.34 | kblin | we might have been ill-prepared |
| 18:33.38 | JordiGH | Hm, Stephanie's email is both plaintext and HTML, but Gmail only displayed the HTML to me. |
| 18:33.57 | JordiGH | I wish there was some option in Gmail to turn off all that annoying formatting people decide makes their text more readable. |
| 18:34.26 | kblin | JordiGH: I'm sure you're complaining to the wrong googlers |
| 18:34.30 | sumanah | hi joancreus |
| 18:34.39 | joancreus | hi joancreus |
| 18:34.42 | joancreus | whoops |
| 18:34.46 | joancreus | hi sumanah |
| 18:34.48 | sumanah | :) |
| 18:34.52 | JordiGH | kblin: I'm not sure it's a complaint. I really should stop using Gmail if I don't like it. |
| 18:35.02 | kblin | right |
| 18:35.12 | sumanah | joancreus: Did you maybe see my email last year, about why we didn't do GCI? |
| 18:35.17 | joancreus | sumanah: chances for mediawiki are low, right? |
| 18:35.39 | joancreus | sumanah: yes, you were even asking whether gsoc was worth it (iirc) |
| 18:35.44 | sumanah | Yes |
| 18:35.54 | sumanah | a question every project should ask themselves every year, IMO |
| 18:36.00 | sumanah | to make sure people get the most out of it |
| 18:36.03 | sumanah | and do it well |
| 18:36.31 | sfb | kblin: I did OK the first year of GCI under you guys. |
| 18:36.38 | sfb | kblin: The translations were total throw-away. |
| 18:36.49 | sfb | kblin: But the documentation tasks were filled and done pretty well. |
| 18:37.14 | sumanah | joancreus: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2011-October/055937.html in case you didn't see it then |
| 18:37.21 | joancreus | sumanah: maybe this year quality will improve (no money rewards), but still might not be worth it |
| 18:37.37 | sumanah | joancreus: basically, I only want us to do it if we can do it well. |
| 18:37.49 | sumanah | I don't know whether we would have enough mentors on call to review the teenagers' assignments. |
| 18:38.04 | kblin | sfb: ok, we mostly had media tasks, which might have been better if we had had a media guy running them instead of me |
| 18:38.49 | sfb | (= |
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| 18:38.52 | joancreus | basically, it would require wmf involvement since volunteers are limited? |
| 18:39.15 | sfb | kblin: We tried a couple code ones and that turned out to not be so good. |
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| 18:39.23 | sfb | kblin: Unless it was PHP stuff. |
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| 18:39.37 | sumanah | I think that a WMF person would probably be necessary as the org administrator, joancreus - me or someone else from the engineering community team |
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| 18:39.56 | sfb | kblin: So we stuck to easy to collaborate tasks that didn't require the many-day setup that Ryzom Core requires. I think GCI is a really tough balancing act. |
| 18:39.59 | sumanah | joancreus: I simply do not know whether there are sufficient volunteers, who would give enough time consistently |
| 18:40.21 | kblin | I sure don't have the time this year |
| 18:40.27 | sumanah | joancreus: what does your gut instinct say? |
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| 18:40.49 | kblin | I think GCI really works better for orgs that have a lot of people helping already |
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| 18:41.08 | kblin | of course without the money prizes, things might be a little less rushed |
| 18:41.21 | joancreus | huh, i think for mediawiki it might not be useful on one side, but i'd love to participate on the other one. (anyway, i'm semi-involved in mediawiki w/o gci, so it doesn't matter) |
| 18:41.35 | joancreus | sumanah: finding tasks would also be difficult |
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| 18:42.01 | joancreus | something like mozilla's easy-fixes or wikidata's need-volunteer |
| 18:42.10 | joancreus | which isn't in mediawikis bugzilla (right?) |
| 18:42.31 | sumanah | joancreus: I see someone's never looked at the "easy" tag |
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| 18:42.41 | joancreus | blushes |
| 18:42.41 | sumanah | joancreus: did you perhaps check out https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker ? |
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| 18:42.54 | joancreus | yes, a long time ago and didn't remember |
| 18:43.11 | sumanah | joancreus: it links to our [[Annoying Little Bugs]] page which is a little more curated |
| 18:43.27 | Nightrose | joancreus: wikidata's need-wolunteer? they're in mediawiki bugzilla |
| 18:43.30 | sumanah | joancreus: please do feel free to spread the word about that page; we want more people to know about it and we want people to use it |
| 18:43.34 | joancreus | sumanah: so, maybe that along with extension requests would do the trick |
| 18:43.43 | joancreus | Nightrose: yes, i was referring to tagging easy stuff |
| 18:43.47 | Nightrose | ah |
| 18:43.51 | joancreus | didn't remember mediawiki core had 'easy' tag |
| 18:43.54 | Nightrose | :) |
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| 18:44.51 | joancreus | sumanah: mediawiki bug 1 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 would create tons and tons of tasks xD |
| 18:45.00 | sumanah | joancreus: go ahead! |
| 18:45.12 | sumanah | joancreus: that is, go ahead and create a wiki page listing the specific tasks that come out of Bug 1 |
| 18:45.17 | joancreus | opened 2004-08-10 |
| 18:45.29 | joancreus | "Our docs are teh suck. Fix them up." |
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| 18:49.00 | joancreus | there will be 20 grand prize winners, 2 per org? |
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| 18:49.26 | sumanah | looks like it |
| 18:49.27 | allman | yes |
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| 18:50.28 | kblin | allman: I like the concept for this year, even if I don't see myself applying |
| 18:50.46 | gevaerts | That should fix the bad feelings about other orgs being more or less strict that I seemed to notice last year |
| 18:50.47 | joancreus | there won't be difficulty levels, right? |
| 18:51.21 | allman | kblin: :( Why not? |
| 18:51.40 | kblin | allman: I don't think we have the mentoring ressources required |
| 18:52.07 | allman | ah - that's responsible - sounds like you :-) |
| 18:52.33 | kblin | allman: well, as sumanah said, no point in doing it if you can't do it right |
| 18:53.24 | kblin | the year worldforge participated (together with ryzom), pretty much all the WF tasks people ended up doing had to be handled by me |
| 18:53.28 | allman | My client barfed so I missed a chunk of the conversation, but +1 to you both |
| 18:53.55 | allman | sigh... that sounds hard on you. |
| 18:54.10 | meflin | looking at the work my org does I'm not seeing what a highscooler can do .. all our tasks are quite hard |
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| 18:54.25 | kblin | and I'm trying to get a phd, which somehow does funny things to "spare time" |
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| 18:54.46 | meflin | as a small org there there just isn't that big of a body of small things either |
| 18:54.51 | JordiGH | It compresses spare time to a point, yet all your time is spare time. |
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| 18:55.12 | allman | "spare" time has always been an odd concept to me |
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| 18:55.30 | asmeurer | seriously, *huge* kudos on the new GCI rules |
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| 18:55.44 | allman | So glad you approve. |
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| 18:55.54 | asmeurer | esp. removal of cash rewards for non-winners |
| 18:55.57 | scorche|sh | "spare time" is just when you are busy procrastinating doing the things you should be doing |
| 18:55.58 | JordiGH | kblin: What's your PhD in? |
| 18:56.08 | gevaerts | allman: it's what you use when your other time breaks down |
| 18:56.14 | allman | meflin: I know that's an issue for a bunch of orgs. |
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| 18:56.30 | kblin | JordiGH: microbiology |
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| 18:56.51 | joancreus | hi asmeurer , joancreus from the sympy test runner here :) |
| 18:56.54 | asmeurer | hi joancreus |
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| 18:56.55 | JordiGH | kblin: I thought that was just a day job. |
| 18:56.55 | asmeurer | yeah, I remember you |
| 18:57.19 | kblin | JordiGH: well, yes, getting a phd is sort of my day job |
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