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02:50.51RishubhJainUsually in FOSDEM it is declared wether there will be GSOC held or not..right?
02:52.47RishubhJainand i guess this years FOSDEM (fosdem 2013) is already over and there is still no announcement of GSOC...so does it mean that there will no GSOC this year?
02:55.16meflinno
02:55.30meflinthere is no "usual" announce"
02:57.13meflinchill out and meditate
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03:04.45RishubhJainmeflin: thanks for replying...seriously i need to meditate and chill..
03:05.12meflinwhat will be will be
03:05.18RishubhJainthen do u know where its is announced or when its usually announcd?
03:05.32meflinthere no where or usual
03:05.45meflinRSS the blog
03:05.48RishubhJainok...so i should just wait right?
03:06.27meflinyes
03:06.40meflinand learn patience ... dont have much of it myself
03:08.15RishubhJaineven i dont have...but i will have it
03:08.35RishubhJainthanks for replying
03:09.04meflinmy org blew up and I have some leads but who knows
03:09.11meflinso it could be worse
03:09.47RishubhJainsorry i didnt get u..what are u talkin about?
03:10.04meflinI've admin'ed and mentored for 3 years
03:10.12meflinmy old org is gone
03:10.28meflinso now I am hunting admin
03:10.49meflineven if GSOC happens I could be on the sideline
03:11.46RishubhJainohk...best of luck for that..
03:13.20meflinso I also am comping at the bit to know
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03:15.35RishubhJainmeflin: In cse u get to know can you inform me as well?
03:15.55meflinread the blog it will be there
03:17.23RishubhJainohk fine...i will do that
03:17.56meflinthere is an rsss feed off that
03:18.45meflinif you idle 24/7 I expect irc is a good source as well :D
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03:22.48RishubhJainno i m not on 1rc 24/7....
03:25.54RishubhJaini will check the rss feed...thats a better way i guess
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12:10.15SSCVany news on gsoc 2013?
12:10.38SSCVand yes i did check the blog :D
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17:04.54caen23congrats to all the grand prize winners, looking forward to meeting you in late april
17:05.01conor_f:)
17:05.32caen23i think this year have been more countries with winners than ever
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17:18.37Lenniethe blogpost is out :)?
17:18.46JordiGHIs it?
17:19.04Lenniesomeone said congrats to all the winners, so I'm wondering
17:19.55caen23yes, it is
17:20.05caen23http://google-opensource.blogspot.ro/2013/02/google-code-in-2012-grand-prize-winners.html
17:21.06*** topic/#gsoc by Lennie -> Google Code-in 2012 has concluded. Thank you all for your amazing work these past 7 weeks! The Grand Prize Winners have been announced http://goo.gl/Wd2fd
17:21.06JordiGHDid any women win?
17:21.38LennieJordiGH, hard to tell with foreign names
17:21.58JordiGHYes, I'm an ignorant westerner.
17:22.01meflinmost of those names I can't see any gender
17:22.14LennieJordiGH, women participation was up this year afaik :)
17:22.35Lenniesttaylor, should know btw
17:22.36meflinany stats?
17:22.59sttayloryes, we had one female winner
17:23.12JordiGHWoo.
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17:23.54sttayloryes, each year the percentage of women participating in GCI has been increasing. This year we went up 2% over last year
17:24.25meflincool
17:25.10aviraldgHello! :)
17:25.27aviraldgsttaylor, yea or nae?
17:25.31ansgarHow high was the percentage? I guess even with 2% up, it's still quite low.
17:26.28aviraldgOut of the top 5 in SSF, two were girls :)
17:26.59mayankmadansttaylor: hi
17:27.49JordiGHMy guess is that Ze Yue Wu is the lone female winner?
17:28.11sttaylorJordiGH, actually Ze is a male
17:28.21JordiGHDamn.
17:28.22sttaylorLiezl is a female
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17:28.25JordiGHFoiled again.
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17:28.36aviraldgwas just about to say that.
17:29.22JordiGHAh, it's a modified spelling of a German name.
17:31.11caen23i was wondering how many winners aren't the two with the biggest number of tasks, and perhaps the ages of the winners
17:32.06sttaylorcaen23: we don't plan to post that information
17:32.50meflinnot sure what the big deal is about #'s of tasks
17:32.57meflinquality or quantity ?
17:34.09sttaylorquality
17:34.32conor_fcaen23: I was chosen and I didn't solve the most tasks
17:34.41conor_fquality is more important :P :)
17:34.54Lenniewe have a winner on irc? :)
17:34.58Lennienow that's nice
17:34.59meflinwhile it was an odd task .. my last gsoc student reduced the LOC in the codebase
17:35.17aviraldg(v)
17:35.35conor_fI have graced you with my presence Lennie ;) haha jk
17:35.46Lennieconor_f, congrats!
17:36.06meflinconor_f: have fun in california
17:36.28conor_fthanks :) I'm sure I will!
17:37.12caen23no one's debating whether quantity is more important than quality, it was more of a curiosity
17:37.18MegaAlexcongrats guys!  :))
17:37.19Darrelcaen23, for Copyleft Games Group, the winners were No 1 and No 5 :)
17:37.28aviraldgmelfin: "...perfection is finally attained not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away, when a body has been stripped down to its nakedness..."
17:38.05meflinaviraldg: I'm usualy grumpy cat but I may have to make an exception
17:38.18DarrelGrumpy cat for the win!
17:38.56Lennieaviraldg, Antoine de Saint-Exupory right :P/
17:39.08Lennieaviraldg, that sentence is sitting across of my on a whiteboard :)
17:39.12Lennieme*
17:39.28aviraldgyeah
17:40.22gevaertsgives Lennie an é :)
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17:43.01mayankmadan\
17:43.41meflinyou did see the talk above right?
17:44.07meflinalso I'm sure your project appreciates your work , keep going
17:44.23skylamer`anyone looking for interns?
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17:45.34Darrelmayankmadan, which org did you work with, btw?
17:46.24meflinopen source isn't always good at giving out pat's on the back ... but it is good at giving your the chance to do good work .. take pride in that
17:46.57Darrelmeflin, precisely
17:46.57mayankmadanDarrel: KDE
17:48.10DarrelI didn'even manage to get in Top 5 - actually, I got bumped out in the last half an hour because I was unable to claim my next task on time, but still it was an awesome experience, and I like the organization that I worked with - so I'm still in IRC, still doing commits from time to time :)
17:53.06dfightermayankmadan pretty sure the KDE users are most grateful for your efforts, that in itself is a great recognition imo ^^
17:53.54aviraldgmayankmadan, plus, you can always use your OSS work to show off your skills (has worked wonders for me in the past)
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17:54.27aviraldg*showcase would be a better word
17:54.29lionaneeshHow many girls this time, in the winners list I mean?
17:54.54aviraldgAt least two, by my count.
17:55.04meflin1
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17:55.18lionaneeshaviraldg: Congo btw!
17:55.22lionaneeshHi5!
17:55.26aviraldgThanks, same to you! :D
17:55.51aviraldgRamu Yalamanchi!
17:56.13lionaneeshLol!
17:56.18lionaneeshHe made Hi5!
17:56.29lionaneeshHi5 kinda sucks. But the gesture doesn't
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17:56.50meflinhmm altho <sttaylor> answer was ambiguous  on the 1 vs 2
17:56.56aviraldgKinda? Biggest understatement of the century.
17:57.28sttaylormeflin: there was 1 female grand prize winner
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17:57.49meflinwell that isn't ambiguous
17:57.49Darrellionaneesh, two or three times in a row grand prize winner now?
17:57.57lionaneeshDarrel: 2
17:58.12Darrelis this your last year?
17:58.33meflinwhile I am stoked now we just need to move that to 4+
17:58.42lionaneeshDarrel: Yum unfortunately :(
17:58.42DarrelI mean if they run the program again
17:58.56lionaneeshs/yum/yup
17:59.37Darrelaww, that's too bad :/ I've participated twice, but thanks  to my birthday being in december, in theory I have 2 more years - if they run the program with the same rules again :)
17:59.37lionaneeshBTW how about a IRC party!
17:59.42DarrelWhy not? :)
18:00.07lionaneeshLet's code a website for GCI? I mean a fan site or something like that?
18:00.27meflinboo
18:00.31aviraldgHangout
18:00.33meflincode some real stuff
18:00.42aviraldg^ +1 to that
18:00.53DarrelHangout, sure
18:01.00Darreland real stuff - why not :)
18:01.17ChrisOelmuelleryou can hack Melange instead and fix some of the stuff that annoyed you as participants :-)
18:01.39DarrelIf I manage to fix the thing that costed me my top 5 position I would be more than happy :)
18:01.42aviraldgIMHO, GCI & GSOC should be run on Github ;) <wink>
18:01.53meflinmelange needs some fixing good idea
18:01.54aviraldgDarrel, what?
18:02.32Darrelbtw, did anyone have my problem - linux, kubuntu, (wubi), any browser = melange not working - unable to load task list or to claim task (if someone gives me direct link to a certain task)
18:02.40Darrelit loads for years and nothing happens
18:02.49Darrelor if something does happen - it is server sent no response
18:02.57meflini
18:03.09aviraldgMelange had that problem ... in 2010.
18:03.13meflinhave not done GCI but I
18:03.14Lenniegevaerts, crappy US keyboard settings don't give me such an e :P
18:03.19gevaertsaviraldg: what's so special about github?
18:03.21meflinnever had that
18:03.24gevaertsLennie: compose key!
18:03.35LennieDarrel, link?
18:03.38meflindo not type off centered to keyboard
18:03.42DarrelALT + numbers does magic :D
18:04.05aviraldgI should've said "directly on projects' issue trackers and version control systems"
18:04.06DarrelLennie, link for?
18:04.17LennieDarrel, page that fails to load
18:04.28lionaneeshHangout?
18:04.31Darrelaviraldg, something like Julython? the way it works is pretty cool
18:04.36meflinalso Lennie for example is a good fixer for issues
18:04.55DarrelLennie, http://www.google-melange.com/gci/org/google/gci2012/copyleftgames
18:04.57DarrelFor example
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18:05.07DarrelI'm on windows right now, so it all works as charm
18:05.08aviraldg=> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/e0afe38529295211ca5acde7cd5dac9c26691700?authuser=0&hl=en-GB
18:05.21LennieDarrel, did you try chrome on linux?
18:05.23meflinloads just fine
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18:05.28Darrelbut on my other OS, it wouldn't load for me
18:05.41Darrelactually, the first time I use a fresh browser - no cookies, etc etc
18:05.43Darrelit would load
18:05.47meflinlinux-konq
18:05.48Darrelat least the first two pages of tasks
18:05.53Darrelthen it wouldn't load anything else
18:06.01Darreland on reload, it wouldn't load the page at all
18:06.03LennieDarrel, if you are capable of looking in your developer console of your browser of choice and can figure out if there are any JS error we could go from there?
18:06.20LennieSince I can't reproduce this atm on linux :p
18:06.55Darrelsure.. I tried with all browsers, same result.. I'll switch to the linux now :)
18:06.58Darrelbrb
18:07.08LennieFF and Chrome both work for me
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18:11.04LennieChrisOelmueller++ for trying to poach people to fix Melange :P
18:11.59meflinit nees minions
18:12.04meflinneeds
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18:18.06Darrelalright now
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18:18.13Darrellet's see..
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18:26.37Darrelhttp://prntscr.com/rk50w
18:27.09Darrelcopyleftgames GET (pending) Other 13B Pending
18:27.14Darreland it stays like that forever
18:27.29Darrelpending and pending and pending ..
18:29.39LennieDarrel, hmm
18:30.07LennieDarrel, does it work in incognito mode?
18:30.13lionaneeshDarrel: Not for me!
18:30.39DarrelIt works in incognito mode
18:30.40Darrelonce :)
18:30.47Darrelafter that, it doesn't
18:30.59Darrelif I close the incognito window and open it again, it works
18:31.13Darrelbut the weird thing is that it loads only up to 100 tasks
18:31.23Lennieso it got 26kb which should be the bulk of the page
18:31.28Lennieand yet it doesn't show anything?
18:31.42Darrelyeah, nothing
18:32.05DarrelNo data received
18:32.05DarrelUnable to load the webpage because the server sent no data.
18:33.12Lenniewhich is kind of a lie :P
18:33.13Lenniesince there is data
18:33.24Lennieif you click on any of the items in the list you can see the request and response
18:33.34Lennieperhaps that will give you a sense of what's going on
18:33.56Darrelhttp://prntscr.com/rk62j
18:34.07Darrelhere's what I get with incognito mode
18:34.30Darrelthis loads part of the tasks
18:34.35Darrelbut the js gets canceled
18:35.02Lennieweird
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18:36.17aviraldgServer logs?
18:37.24Lennieyeah looking at them
18:37.32Lennieno errors at least
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18:38.40aviraldghmm
18:38.51LennieI'm just trying to find the actual request now
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18:44.50Lennieappengine logs search is either playing tricks
18:44.54Lennieor his requests are just not there
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18:46.30Lenniehmm
18:47.17Lennienathanielmanista, any idea if this could be caused by the traffic split?
18:47.37Lennienathanielmanista, your 01 ninja release is serving 5% :)
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18:48.07Darrelor maybe by the fact that this is linux via Wubi?
18:49.29LennieDarrel, I found one of your requests now
18:49.42Darrelthat would be the incognito one
18:49.54MatthewWilkesLennie: tut, tut, tut. Breaking things.
18:50.12Lennieyou know me MatthewWilkes , I'd never break things :p
18:50.12meflinlets break ALL THE THINGS!
18:50.53Darrelaww, meflin, and how will we have GCI next year if we break everything :P
18:51.50meflinno fun :P
18:52.02iammyrHi everyone, do you know whether an open source project created on purpose for applying to the gsoc fundings can apply as a mentoring organization?
18:52.27iammyror is it compelled to have a broad community of users and developers?
18:52.32carolsiammyr: does it meet all the requirements for mentoring orgs?
18:52.38meflinwhy would you do that?
18:52.58iammyr@carols: the ones listed yep
18:53.12carolsiammyr: then it's welcome to apply. assuming gsoc even happens this year.
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18:53.15MatthewWilkesmeflin: Lots of open source software is in the initial community building phase, GSoC might provide the impetus to them to formalise into an organisation
18:53.41meflinMatthewWilkes: well been there done that ( umbrella )
18:53.52iammyr@meflin: because the best developers are attracted by the chance to work for google and are more likely to contribute also in this small project
18:54.42meflinreminds himself that he hasn't slept in over 40 hours
18:56.45iammyrthanks everyone ;)
18:56.56Darrelso *that* is why meflin wants to break everything - he is sleepy and is in a bad mood :)
18:57.26meflinwell meflin defaults to a bad mood
18:58.05meflinso throw on not being able to sleep in almost 2 days
18:59.40MatthewWilkesWe've been going through our ideas list from last year and removing the stuff that's been done or worked around atm, in case of either a GSoC or other mentoring projects we're looking at coming off
18:59.46MatthewWilkesIt's amazing how fast things move
19:00.27meflinquality students have this anoying tendency to eat up the todo list both in and after gsoc
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19:00.50DarrelYeah, that's so annoying for mentors, I guess :P
19:01.13LennieDarrel, I can't find anything wrong on our end atm. And I can't reproduce it :(
19:01.25meflinDarrel: and worse they take ownership and stuff :P
19:01.42meflinnext thing you know those wippersnapers are mentors
19:02.07Darrelyeah, that sucks, the problem can't be reproduced.. I think.. All I know is that it works on one OS, it doesn't work on this Wubi kubuntu, though..
19:02.08Darrelhahha
19:02.35Darrelyeah, meflin, in CGG, we had 3-4 mentors former GCI students
19:03.06meflinlast gsoc 2 out of 3 other mentors where past gsoc'ers
19:03.19Darrelheh
19:03.40meflinso I got to grump around .. old old old dang wippersnapers
19:04.00meflin#3 was 20 .... blah
19:04.30DarrelOh, lol, I always think GSoC is only for students aged 18
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19:04.36Darreli don't know why I've got this impression..
19:04.42meflingsoc is for collage students
19:04.46Darrelyeah
19:04.57meflin18->anything
19:05.12meflinhad a aplication from a 50+ guy last year
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19:06.39meflinalso not #3 was a mentor ... could have studented :D
19:06.45meflins/not/note/
19:07.17Darrel50+ guy? No kidding?
19:07.24meflinno kidding
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19:07.32meflin20+ years of programing
19:07.38DarrelHaha, like a boss
19:08.00meflinwell couldn't think outside a box and just wanted to tell everyone how it should be done
19:08.06meflinwe passed
19:08.50gevaertsYour loss! ;)
19:08.57gevaertsI'm sure he told you that
19:09.05meflinyep
19:09.26meflinI'm _SO_ sad   ( that I wasted an hour interview )
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19:10.35meflinthe very odd thing .. he didn't know c/c++ at all
19:11.04meflinrequired for the submission
19:11.12Darreloh lol
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19:11.14gevaertsAh, that's because c/c++ is not an actual thing :)
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19:11.36meflinforks gevaerts
19:12.00gevaertshas the name and the community so he will win
19:12.57meflinyou should welcome 2 of you :)
19:14.13gevaertsI always do!
19:14.32meflinhmmm obviously .. your plural after all
19:14.44gevaertsis not!
19:14.57meflinoh ? see the final s?
19:15.06gevaertsThat's a final s, not a plural s!
19:15.32meflinwe shall have to thrum wrestle that
19:15.44gevaertsIt's my name, so I get to decide!
19:16.00meflintrue but heh so what?
19:17.15DarrelFight, fight, fight!
19:19.09meflinwell the nice thing about thumb's is looser buy the round then you get to laff and have fun
19:19.24meflinso its all win-win
19:19.54gevaertsI already won earlier, so you get to win this time
19:20.03gevaertsI won't agree though :)
19:20.16meflindoesn't mater ::)
19:20.23gevaertsbuys the round
19:20.34meflinyep its all about the round ! ;)
19:20.51gevaertsDefinitely!
19:20.58meflinnext one on me
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19:47.41MatthewWilkesoh dear. I knew that mailing list post would be bad just by the subject :/
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19:59.10LennieMatthewWilkes, which one
19:59.11Lennie?
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20:04.21DarrelI'm seriously annoyed by people that insist that they *deserve* to be winners. I mean, come on, this is not up to you to decide, it's the job of the mentors..
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20:05.23meflinDarrel: wait what you you telling me I'm not a winner?    ( to old and even didn['t mentor )
20:06.14gevaertsWe're all winners!
20:06.21ChrisOelmuellerunless something seriously went wrong which is pretty unlikely, complaining now only proves the mentor organizations' points about not choosing those participants
20:07.39Darrelprecisely
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20:09.21ChrisOelmuellerthat being said i'm not that happy with the way preselection happened through the "top 5" restriction, which caused a lot of high expectations that being prize winner might strongly correlate to being #1 or #2 in the respective org list of finished tasks
20:09.53ChrisOelmuellerbut i voiced this some time ago already and don't really expect opinions to have changed on the subject since :)
20:13.25meflinI disagreee and would hope for a change to top 10
20:13.51ChrisOelmuellertop N will always cause trouble for arbitrary N
20:14.05meflintrue
20:14.15ChrisOelmuellermy idea was that solving the amount of tasks required for the shirt would also add you to the list
20:14.22Darrelah, well, I don't really think that it would have much different without the top 5 preselection.. and after all, it DOES make sense that the people with the most tasks have done more work
20:14.52meflindepends on the task
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20:27.49Lennieit might depend on the task but the rules for the winner were clear from the start right?
20:27.59Lennieso if you wanted to win you shouldn't just do only the difficult ones :)
20:28.10LennieIt's all about balance
20:28.37gevaertsI think it was only clear from the start for people who actually read the rules :)
20:28.45Lennieand if you've done well you should find enough reward within the community of the OS project you are in. You might find yourself at there next summit :)
20:28.59meflinread the doc's? hell no :)
20:30.01DarrelHaha, yeah, nobody is crazy enough to read docs :)
20:30.23meflinover all I agree with Lennie
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20:30.57meflinyou join the group and keep giving
20:31.04meflinor your are dead weight
20:31.53meflinmassive piles of code in the end are useless
20:32.55ChrisOelmuellerfolks doing tasks they don't actually find interesting just to stay in the top 5 is also not very rewarding for both mentors and students
20:33.40caen23imo, at this age not everyone is mature enough to think past the prize, and the winners have just been announced, i don't think it's uncommon to get a few complaints in the hours after a contest (any contest) is closed
20:33.54Darrelthat's precisely what my mentors tried to tell me, but I wouldn't listen, so I fell out of top 5 with a single task difference :) but yeah, docs weren't really interesting..
20:34.29ChrisOelmuellerDarrel: you're not the only student where i observed this, if it helps
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20:34.59Darrelhaha
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20:35.38meflindoc's suck ... but they do mater
20:36.11JordiGHDoctors?
20:36.15JordiGHDocumentation?
20:36.17JordiGHscrolls up.
20:36.47DarrelBoth.. I guess :) But uh, no. Doctors don't suck :D
20:37.06gevaertsLeeches do
20:37.52meflinDr's suck for me :P
20:38.13DarrelGrumpy strikes again :P
20:38.17meflindam if I can get anyone to listen to my history
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20:47.00mmadia!numstats
20:47.01gsocbotmmadia: "numstats" is There are 14 statistics in !numapps.
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20:47.50mmadiahrmmmm, does anyone recall the keyword to find the statistics of  mentoring orgs, participating students, etc?
20:49.26ChrisOelmuellerit's right there
20:50.23mmadia!numapps
20:50.24gsocbotmmadia: "numapps" is In 2012, 180 of 406 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4258 students submitted 6685 proposals, of which 1212 were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 students submitted 5474 proposals, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted.
20:50.41mmadia*cough*   thanks, ChrisOelmueller.
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