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| 08:55.41 | kai | so, let's see how much life hates me today |
| 08:55.54 | kai | goes to install a new version of ubuntu |
| 08:59.50 | white | 12.10 or 13.04? |
| 09:00.13 | white | kai, ^ |
| 09:00.18 | darnir | is 1304 already out? |
| 09:00.41 | white | there should be an alpha/beta aout by now |
| 09:00.55 | darnir | Oh. Yeah a Beta is available. |
| 09:01.15 | darnir | But I kinda started hating Ubuntu after Unity. And now those guys are also dropping wayland support. |
| 09:01.17 | white | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseSchedule |
| 09:01.49 | white | darnir, yeah i agree about unity. |
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| 09:03.34 | darnir | The last Ubuntu I enjoyed was Maverik |
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| 09:06.08 | white | was that 11.04? |
| 09:06.23 | darnir | 10.10 |
| 09:06.33 | darnir | The good ol days of Gnome 2 |
| 09:06.44 | white | ^_^ |
| 09:06.59 | white | gnome guys ae to blame .. me thinks |
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| 09:07.16 | white | for pushing out gnome3 when it clearly wasnt ready |
| 09:07.22 | darnir | I blame both Gnome and Canonical. |
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| 09:07.49 | darnir | Gnome 3 clearly wasnt ready and Canonical made a shift to Unity |
| 09:08.13 | darnir | In fact as of date, I dislike almost all DE's that are around. |
| 09:08.19 | white | i cant really blame canonical.... they had the choice between using a shitty gnome3( at the time) or swtiching to kde with the increas e in install size |
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| 09:08.57 | darnir | They could've stuck to Gnome2. They had clearly started developing Unity for Desktops much earlier. |
| 09:09.02 | white | darnir, its still easier for new users to begin with a DE |
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| 09:09.25 | darnir | white: Not saying it's a bad thing. I'm saying, there isn't a good DE available. |
| 09:09.28 | white | with kde/ gnome2 i could get my parents to uselinux |
| 09:10.05 | darnir | KDE I found bloated. E17 is still unstable. Gnome3 is just weird after Gnome2. |
| 09:10.17 | darnir | Lxde/xfce are too minimalistic. |
| 09:10.42 | darnir | Openbox is there, but I can't find a decent compositor to use along with it. Compiz sadly is dead. |
| 09:10.57 | darnir | Awesome is decent, but I got tired of tiling. |
| 09:11.47 | white | kde is bloated but you can install only kde base |
| 09:11.57 | white | and whatever you really need |
| 09:12.02 | darnir | white: Aah! An Arch user :D |
| 09:12.10 | white | yes :D |
| 09:12.24 | darnir | I know. But honestly my complaint is with nepomunk and strigi |
| 09:12.42 | darnir | Stuff thats an integral part of the KDE backend. |
| 09:12.43 | white | nepomuk can be uninstalled/disabled |
| 09:13.04 | darnir | Yeah, I did that last week. |
| 09:13.21 | darnir | Now trying to see if I can get myself to use KDE again. |
| 09:13.23 | white | it fing takes a ton of cpu.... |
| 09:13.37 | ChrisOelmueller | maybe you need to refine your search criteria if you end up finding stuff "bloated" and other stuff "too minimalistic", and even exclude matches for being "weird" |
| 09:13.40 | darnir | Precisely! And I have a 6 year old system. |
| 09:13.41 | white | and a broken version of nepomuk back in kde4.8 took up my entire disk |
| 09:14.27 | darnir | white: Yes, I remember that. Was quite a major bug. Luckiliy I wasn't affected. |
| 09:14.29 | |Kev| | KDE may not be everyone's favourite DE, but I think their contribution to GSoC is extremely high and well-considered. Just throwing something a little off-topic into the mix... |
| 09:15.18 | white | atm i use kde ... ;) |
| 09:15.25 | darnir | ChrisOelmueller: After Gnome2+compiz, the bar's set really high for others. KWin does an exceptional job. But it's too heavy for a dilapidated system. |
| 09:15.40 | white | but i have to agree that it takes a lot of resources and isnt suited for older systems |
| 09:16.00 | darnir | |Kev|: VERY true! Call me a hypocrite, but I too am working with KDE :P |
| 09:16.11 | ChrisOelmueller | yeah i'm not into this discussion at all, sorry. just found your statement above odd |
| 09:16.26 | darnir | The way I look at it, I'm trying to improve something I dont like |
| 09:17.12 | darnir | ChrisOelmueller: The best part about Linux. You have a 1000 different options. Each to his own. |
| 09:17.18 | darnir | I'm just yet to find mine :P |
| 09:18.26 | gevaerts | wonders if the world still has more than one ion2 user :) |
| 09:20.21 | white | whats ion2? |
| 09:20.23 | kai | shrugs |
| 09:20.33 | kai | I'm planning to go for xfce |
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| 09:21.10 | darnir | kai: A pretty decent option. Do tell me if you know of a good compositor for XFCE. |
| 09:21.35 | darnir | As long as I get true compositing for my conky I'll make the switch to XFCE |
| 09:22.14 | kai | I think I'd prefer if my graphics card keeps the cycles for CUDA applications, I don't need wobbly windows :) |
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| 09:23.46 | darnir | Neither do I. But I need true transperancy for Guake shell. |
| 09:24.02 | darnir | Otherwise it beats the purpose of a dropdown terminal. |
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| 09:24.52 | white | loves his yakuake |
| 09:24.55 | kai | hm, I never got those |
| 09:24.59 | gevaerts | white: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_%28window_manager%29 |
| 09:25.17 | gevaerts | I use it to exercise my rights under the GPL! |
| 09:25.38 | white | tiled? |
| 09:25.50 | kai | I mean, why use all your screen for a single terminal if you can easily fit 4-5 |
| 09:25.50 | gevaerts | It's tilish, yes |
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| 09:26.23 | white | was always curious... how do UI centric applications work in a tiled WM |
| 09:26.40 | white | say something like freecad or blender |
| 09:27.45 | gevaerts | never used freecad or blender, so he doesn't know what "UI centric" means here |
| 09:27.52 | gevaerts | gimp is a pain in ion2 |
| 09:28.03 | gevaerts | I believe newer tiled WMs are better for those |
| 09:28.15 | gevaerts | should switch one of these decades |
| 09:28.30 | white | what i meant was programs that use/need the mouse a lot |
| 09:28.31 | darnir | gevaerts: I dont believe I had a problem with gimp on Awesome. |
| 09:28.44 | gevaerts | white: I dpnm |
| 09:28.54 | darnir | So I would agree the ones from this decade can handle such apps better. |
| 09:28.55 | gevaerts | white: I don't see how that's even related, to be honest |
| 09:29.37 | white | well are the applications restricted to a tile / do you have full screen etc |
| 09:29.50 | gevaerts | Yes :) |
| 09:30.02 | gevaerts | That's unrelated to heavy mouse use though |
| 09:30.26 | white | also as darnir pointed out .. does it have compositing? |
| 09:30.41 | gevaerts | ion2? That has *nothing*! |
| 09:31.28 | white | so basically its for those who prefer to do everything in cli? :D |
| 09:31.46 | darnir | gevaerts: Then why not use TWM ? |
| 09:32.17 | gevaerts | darnir: TWM? I want a tiling WM! |
| 09:32.40 | darnir | Aah. So tiling is a compulsion? |
| 09:32.57 | ChrisOelmueller | could just use the single-window mode of gimp |
| 09:33.09 | gevaerts | white: maybe, but again, I don't see the link between compositing and cli |
| 09:33.11 | ChrisOelmueller | which is superior even if not considering tiled window managers :P |
| 09:33.21 | gevaerts | doesn't mind compositing |
| 09:33.34 | gevaerts | ChrisOelmueller: I could, but there's a weird issue with that and ion2 :) |
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| 09:33.55 | gevaerts | It's not *really* single-window. There are still lots of pop up dialogs |
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| 09:49.41 | darnir | Interesting discussion. Gotta run though. Sadly I still have a few lectures to attend :( |
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| 15:14.51 | kai | hm, that could have been worse |
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| 15:15.18 | kai | actually, of course it is worse, now I need to reinstall all the packages that I'm missing :) |
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| 15:15.46 | darnir_ | kai: Made the shift to Ubuntu or xfce? |
| 15:16.01 | kai | darnir_: so, xfce as shipped by xubuntu 13.04 has transparency |
| 15:16.28 | darnir_ | kai: Hmm. Could you please tell me what compositor it uses? |
| 15:16.54 | darnir_ | But firstly, is it true transperancy? Or does it simply copy the desktop BG there? |
| 15:18.23 | kai | let me check |
| 15:20.16 | kai | well, if I fire up top in a terminal and then move a semi-transparent window over that, I can see the terminal window updating |
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| 15:20.26 | kai | that's close enough for me :) |
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| 15:20.35 | JordiGH | Is compiz still a thing? |
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| 15:20.40 | JordiGH | clutches tightly to his cherised wm. |
| 15:21.24 | white | which is? |
| 15:22.12 | JordiGH | Compiz :-/ |
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| 15:25.15 | darnir_ | kai: That sounds like true transperancy. Could you please identify the name of the compositor? |
| 15:25.42 | darnir_ | Or I'll just check the specs on xubuntu. |
| 15:25.58 | darnir_ | JordiGH: The compiz project is dead. |
| 15:26.04 | paultag | "dead" |
| 15:26.09 | JordiGH | darnir_: Is it? |
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| 15:26.15 | paultag | It will be as soon as Ubuntu gets rid of it. |
| 15:26.23 | paultag | but until then it's being proped up |
| 15:26.24 | darnir_ | JordiGH: Yes. |
| 15:26.29 | darnir_ | compiz is dead. |
| 15:26.33 | paultag | chucks |
| 15:26.37 | darnir_ | It only lives inside Unity |
| 15:26.39 | paultag | chuckles* |
| 15:26.41 | JordiGH | Yeah, I see... http://cgit.compiz.org/?s=idle |
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| 15:27.19 | darnir_ | The compiz project itself is no longer under development. X will face the same fate soon. |
| 15:27.35 | JordiGH | In lieu of what? Wayland? |
| 15:28.05 | darnir_ | crosses his fingers and prays for Wayland |
| 15:28.22 | darnir_ | JordiGH: Yes! Wayland! |
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| 15:29.28 | JordiGH | What about that Ubuntu thing they just announced? |
| 15:29.48 | paultag | Mir? |
| 15:29.50 | paultag | it's garbage. |
| 15:30.10 | paultag | All the "problems" with wayland or their "features" are either in Wayland or able to be introduced outside Wayland's core. |
| 15:30.23 | ChrisOelmueller | gotta look really hard for some of their own thingies that is not |
| 15:30.32 | ChrisOelmueller | still doing it again and again, every single time |
| 15:30.33 | paultag | hopefully it hits a taco bell platform on the way down and we all get really nasty mexican food out of it. |
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| 15:31.25 | white | the way things are progressing ubuntu will be the next OSX |
| 15:32.42 | JordiGH | paultag: While we're using scare quotes, "Mexican" "food". |
| 15:33.04 | paultag | mexican "food" is good enough |
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| 15:37.23 | JordiGH | Don't try to sell Taco Bell to a Mexican: http://noticias.prodigy.msn.com/analisis/articulo-contenido.aspx?cp-documentid=23188113 |
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| 15:52.31 | darnir_ | I guess I'm missing some context. Whats scary about Taco bell or mexican food? I love both! |
| 15:52.48 | paultag | darnir_: in 2001, taco bell put a mat out in the ocean |
| 15:52.58 | paultag | if the mir station hit it, there was lots of free taco bell |
| 15:53.10 | paultag | I was making a joke about how mir was going to crash and burn |
| 15:53.16 | paultag | and the most we had to hope for was taco bell |
| 15:53.23 | paultag | </killed_joke> |
| 15:53.59 | darnir_ | Aah. Had no idea about this. |
| 15:54.15 | paultag | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1231447.stm |
| 15:54.39 | paultag | was in middle school at the time and knew about it |
| 15:54.42 | paultag | :þ |
| 15:55.39 | darnir_ | Not in the UK. Hence ignorant about this. |
| 15:55.44 | paultag | ah! |
| 15:55.46 | paultag | well, yeah. |
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| 16:28.06 | ovidiu-florin | hello world :D |
| 16:30.28 | ovidiu-florin | I have a question, If I apply to GSoC this summer, can I take a vacation with my family for about one week sometime durring the coding period? |
| 16:30.39 | ovidiu-florin | is that permitted? |
| 16:31.44 | MatthewWilkes | ovidiu-florin: Almost certainly, but it should be noted in the timeline you supply as part of your application |
| 16:32.23 | ovidiu-florin | understood |
| 16:32.39 | ovidiu-florin | I'll talk to my mentor about it |
| 16:32.42 | ovidiu-florin | thank you MatthewWilkes |
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| 16:35.57 | nerdvana | Hello everyone! Anyone from Fedora Project ? |
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| 16:37.05 | darnir_ | nerdvana: Don't ask to ask. Just state your question. If anyone can answer it, they will. |
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| 17:39.22 | badlogic | hi, our project (libgdx) is currently assembling all the necessary bits and pieces to apply as an organization for GSoC 2013 |
| 17:39.33 | carols | badlogic: glad to hear it. |
| 17:39.46 | badlogic | this is our first year, and it would be super nice if we could get some rough feedback on our plan for that |
| 17:40.03 | carols | badlogic: nope. we don't offer feedback pre-application, sorry. |
| 17:40.09 | carols | have you read the mentor manual? |
| 17:40.14 | carols | and the FAQ? |
| 17:40.19 | badlogic | yes, both the FAQ and the mentor manual |
| 17:40.23 | carols | great :-) |
| 17:40.26 | carols | then you're in good shape |
| 17:40.59 | badlogic | goody, thanks for the quick response, excited to see if we can make it in :) |
| 17:41.11 | carols | awesome :-) |
| 17:43.10 | MatthewWilkes | badlogic: If you know an existing organisation then you can ask them for some feedback, and potentially to vouch for you |
| 17:43.23 | MatthewWilkes | Assuming there's vouching this year, carols? |
| 17:43.29 | carols | MatthewWilkes: indeed. |
| 17:45.00 | badlogic | yes, we already contacted a few of the googlers we know and who work on our project |
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| 17:45.36 | badlogic | according to the FAQ those can vouche as well, we also have contacts to the Catroid team that participated last year (they use our stuff). |
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| 17:55.39 | lfaraone | Would a project like http://debathena.mit.edu/, which is an open source project to provide the Athena computing environemnt on top of Debian/Ubuntu, be suitable for GSoC? |
| 17:55.40 | lfaraone | My concern is that it is sort of local, insofar as the changes directly benefit MIT rather than the world. |
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| 17:56.22 | paultag | lfaraone: if you upstream changes, it's something I'd be happy to consider for a Debian project prop |
| 17:56.49 | paultag | lfaraone: you'd also really only be able to accept MIT students, since you'd need ssh into atheana |
| 17:56.49 | lfaraone | paultag: I mean, I guess `config-package-dev` is beneficial to Debian |
| 17:57.09 | lfaraone | paultag: "We can make them SIPBGST for a summer" |
| 17:57.16 | paultag | mmm |
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| 18:31.02 | nestle | any1 doing project for kde ?? |
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| 18:31.15 | carols | nestle: have you tried the kde channel? |
| 18:31.37 | nestle | nope wat is it? |
| 18:31.48 | carols | nestle: their irc channel? |
| 18:31.53 | nestle | #kde? |
| 18:31.56 | carols | as opposed to this one. |
| 18:32.04 | nestle | no m askng its name |
| 18:32.14 | carols | have you checked their website? |
| 18:32.17 | nestle | is it #kde? |
| 18:32.22 | nestle | ya i did |
| 18:32.26 | carols | cool :-) |
| 18:32.41 | nestle | u doing prep for gsoc |
| 18:32.43 | nestle | ? |
| 18:32.48 | carols | nestle: i sure am. |
| 18:34.13 | nestle | which one? |
| 18:34.17 | carols | all of them. |
| 18:34.31 | nestle | ohk |
| 18:35.19 | blast007 | nestle: It's generally best to use complete words when talking with people. We won't charge you per character. :) |
| 18:36.16 | carols | blast007: i always wonder about that. why do people speak in numbers and short words? are we running out of bits or something? |
| 18:36.49 | MatthewWilkes | I do. You're on 39.27 USD so far. 0.1 cents per char. |
| 18:36.55 | gevaerts | !learn ur as Ur was an ancient city located near the modern village of Tell el-Muqayyar |
| 18:36.55 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "ur" is Ur was an ancient city located near the modern village of Tell el-Muqayyar |
| 18:37.12 | carols | MatthewWilkes: ah, good to know. |
| 18:37.28 | MatthewWilkes | carols: That was for blast007. I'm sure you've said much more than that! |
| 18:37.39 | carols | i'm sure i'm in the thousands of dollars by now. |
| 18:37.59 | MatthewWilkes | only 565 USD. But that's only for the time I'm here too. |
| 18:39.09 | carols | ah, is there a separate counter for the other timezones? |
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| 18:41.43 | MatthewWilkes | carols: I'm just going by my logs. Talking behind my back is free! |
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| 19:02.48 | chro | how much is the registration for participants in gsoc? |
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| 19:03.04 | Catfish_Man | how much what? |
| 19:03.29 | chro | how much money |
| 19:03.36 | Catfish_Man | gsoc is free |
| 19:03.38 | paultag | … do you get? |
| 19:03.39 | kolyaflash | :-) |
| 19:03.58 | chro | oh nice |
| 19:04.30 | JordiGH | Haha. |
| 19:04.35 | JordiGH | That's right, kids. |
| 19:04.46 | JordiGH | I'm gonna CHARGE you for the luxury of merging in your pull requests. |
| 19:04.48 | Catfish_Man | chro: or, more specifically, only costs time and effort |
| 19:05.08 | JordiGH | If you want me to incorporate your bugs, that's gonna cost extra. |
| 19:05.16 | paultag | I've heard that before, JordiGH. |
| 19:05.18 | chro | and where do participants stay during summer? is there some specific hotel sponsored by google? |
| 19:05.31 | lfaraone | chro: GSoC is done from your home. |
| 19:05.32 | Catfish_Man | chro: at their homes |
| 19:05.42 | lfaraone | Students do not travel as part of GSoC. |
| 19:05.51 | JordiGH | Man, that'd be sweet. |
| 19:06.01 | carols | shudders at the idea of coordinating travel for GSoC students |
| 19:06.13 | lfaraone | oh god, that would be awful. |
| 19:06.19 | JordiGH | The Real World: GSoC. |
| 19:06.22 | chro | so, there are no team work, right |
| 19:06.24 | kolyaflash | chro, http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page |
| 19:06.32 | chro | at least, physically |
| 19:06.39 | Catfish_Man | chro: students are expected to collaborate with their mentoring organization online |
| 19:06.46 | Catfish_Man | as is typical in open source work in general |
| 19:07.04 | chro | I see |
| 19:07.31 | chro | I thought it was an event were students gather together during summer to code on software projects |
| 19:08.02 | kolyaflash | carols, why? It would be brilliant. At least for students ;-) |
| 19:08.16 | carols | kolyaflash: right. it would be brilliant for someone who's not me :-) |
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| 19:08.49 | chro | kolyaflash: yeah, wish there was something like that |
| 19:08.54 | JordiGH | If we get all students hacking in one hotel, can we do it like a reality tv show? |
| 19:09.20 | kolyaflash | carols, yea. Even a maillist become a hell from time to time. |
| 19:09.30 | carols | kolyaflash: indeed. |
| 19:09.34 | lfaraone | JordiGH: They already are making "The Internship" |
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