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| 10:34.49 | uruk | hi all! |
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| 10:38.48 | psycho123 | i am a newbie, and want to apply for gsoc 2013 |
| 10:38.57 | psycho123 | how should i get started? |
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| 10:39.45 | MatthewWilkes | psycho123: Read the FAQ |
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| 10:41.48 | gevaerts | Also the student guide, I'd say |
| 10:41.56 | gevaerts | !studentguide | psycho123 |
| 10:41.58 | gsocbot | psycho123: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
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| 10:43.27 | psycho123 | I have never done open source devel before, will I able to take part in it? |
| 10:43.55 | psycho123 | what knowledge I need to have before participation? |
| 10:45.28 | uruk | i think it's mainly depends on the project you want to apply for |
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| 10:46.32 | psycho123 | uruk: what project I need to choose, also how to increase my chances? |
| 10:47.24 | uruk | you have to wait until the organisations post their ideas lists, then you can browse it through and find one that matches your skills the most |
| 10:47.45 | uruk | but first of all, read the FAQ, really, i don't know more than is written down there :) |
| 10:48.43 | psycho123 | uruk: ya sure |
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| 14:53.23 | MatthewWilkes | think (s)he's okay? |
| 14:53.45 | paultag | nope. |
| 14:53.52 | MatthewWilkes | Oh dear. |
| 14:53.56 | MatthewWilkes | Should we call someone? |
| 14:54.02 | MatthewWilkes | Their parents, perhaps? |
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| 17:31.54 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
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| 17:38.36 | kolyaflash | carols, Happy International Women's Day! |
| 17:38.49 | carols | thank very much, kolyaflash :-) |
| 17:38.51 | carols | same to you. |
| 17:39.10 | kolyaflash | thanks |
| 17:40.38 | carols | also, happy friday. |
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| 17:44.04 | kolyaflash | carols, yeah. Today Van Riper may announce who from GDGs will come to I/O, so it may be my best TGIF :-) |
| 17:44.18 | carols | kolyaflash: well, good luck then :-) |
| 17:44.37 | kolyaflash | thank you very much :-) |
| 17:46.23 | darnir_ | Darn! I'd forgotten about I/O. When are the tickets going on sale? |
| 17:46.33 | darnir_ | Please tell me they havent gone already. |
| 17:46.34 | kolyaflash | March 13 7PM |
| 17:46.55 | darnir_ | Aah. But this time I'm guessing the window will be 15min or lesser. |
| 17:47.49 | kolyaflash | sorry, 7 AM (GMT-7). And yes, less than 15 minutes |
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| 17:48.52 | darnir_ | Okay. Thanks! I'll try my luck at getting a ticket. |
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| 17:49.52 | kolyaflash | darnir_, make sure you have enough funds at your Google Checkout. |
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| 17:51.24 | darnir_ | Yup. Will add those to my account soon. |
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| 18:27.07 | rihnapstor | morning all :) |
| 18:28.16 | carols | morning rihnapstor |
| 18:29.25 | kolyaflash | rihnapstor, evening and snow for me :-( Hi! |
| 18:29.29 | JordiGH | Kakerot: Yes. |
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| 21:17.20 | mecodestaa | is gsoc a lot of work ? |
| 21:17.30 | Kakerot | mecodestaa: yup |
| 21:17.40 | mecodestaa | you've participated before ? |
| 21:17.56 | Kakerot | no but i have seen my friend working for it |
| 21:18.00 | meflin | admin/mentor and even that is a lot of work ... students even more so |
| 21:18.02 | Catfish_Man | mecodestaa: it's generally assumed that participating will be equivalent to a full-time summer job |
| 21:18.32 | Kakerot | even i am new here...but want to learn |
| 21:18.55 | mecodestaa | yeah, i'm in my final semester.. engineering ! i thought i'd do something useful this summer ! |
| 21:19.09 | mecodestaa | i've heard about GSOC before, but never have i participated, neither have my friends :P |
| 21:19.10 | white | senses a DBZ reference |
| 21:19.44 | Kakerot | Catfish_Man: can you tell me a genral process or kind of prerequisites which the org wants in their candidates |
| 21:19.45 | Kakerot | ? |
| 21:19.57 | meflin | each org has there own ideas on that |
| 21:20.21 | Catfish_Man | Kakerot: most organizations will have information about that once proposals are being accepted (on their wiki, or at least in the proposal template) |
| 21:20.36 | Catfish_Man | Kakerot: but generally speaking, it never hurts to get involved early and get to know the codebase and community |
| 21:20.42 | meflin | and some proposals require more then others |
| 21:20.51 | mecodestaa | so how does this thing kick off ?? i mean like organisations submit their thing, and we've to select a relevant project which interests us and submit a proposal on it ?? |
| 21:21.19 | Catfish_Man | mecodestaa: roughly speaking, yeah. You can also submit your own ideas to an organization if you don't choose one from their list of ideas |
| 21:21.22 | Kakerot | meflin: i meant that like what all should we have done before so as to have a good chance in getting selected |
| 21:21.23 | Kakerot | ? |
| 21:21.40 | meflin | orgs submit to be an org, then are chosen, then students submit to orgs and are chosen |
| 21:22.03 | mecodestaa | meflin: have you participated before ? |
| 21:22.06 | meflin | Kakerot: depends nothing to much depending on org and project |
| 21:22.10 | meflin | as a student ... no |
| 21:22.28 | mecodestaa | so i presume you were an admin/mentor ? |
| 21:22.33 | meflin | yes |
| 21:22.48 | mecodestaa | thats great ! |
| 21:23.01 | mecodestaa | how do you guys select students ? |
| 21:23.02 | Kakerot | but still there might be something called preference thing in choosing candidates? |
| 21:23.14 | meflin | mecodestaa: well it depends :P |
| 21:23.44 | meflin | what does this project need? ect ect |
| 21:24.00 | meflin | one thing that almost always helps is getting in good with the project first |
| 21:24.11 | meflin | fix bug's , write docs , join the comunity |
| 21:24.21 | mecodestaa | i know it can't be explained totally.. but a tiny heads up on that would do good ! i mean like you go for candidates with a good academic profile ? |
| 21:24.31 | meflin | my eye is always on who I think will stick around for the long haul |
| 21:24.45 | Kakerot | and how do u judge that? |
| 21:24.50 | mecodestaa | oh, so its the interest the student shows ? |
| 21:24.54 | meflin | I use my gut |
| 21:25.10 | meflin | a piddly summer code dump makes some code |
| 21:25.23 | mecodestaa | and it sure does matter if the student has good experience in the same field as the project right ? |
| 21:25.24 | meflin | someone who hangs around for years and works on the project improves the project |
| 21:25.40 | meflin | mecodestaa: not always |
| 21:26.16 | mecodestaa | but it does add on to probability the student gets in ? |
| 21:26.30 | meflin | I had a student aplication last year from a 45+ year old ... lots of exp at work |
| 21:26.30 | Catfish_Man | mecodestaa: things I tended to look for: related experience, ability to communicate clearly, project scope that seems feasible, works well with others, self-motivated, and excited about the goals of the project and organization |
| 21:26.39 | meflin | totaly bad culture fit |
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| 21:27.03 | Kakerot | well tell me one thing...if i stick to one org...and stay around work to fix bugs try to solve them and may even solve one or two thn i hav a good chance to get the project? |
| 21:27.12 | mecodestaa | @Catfish_Man that threw in some light , thank you ! |
| 21:27.18 | meflin | the last slot I accepted was perhaps the weakest programmer |
| 21:28.08 | mecodestaa | programming skills matter ? |
| 21:28.08 | meflin | Kakerot: wont hurt ... but the sticking part doesn't depend on gsoc :) |
| 21:28.18 | meflin | find something you are interested in |
| 21:28.43 | mecodestaa | yeah, if we find something we are actually interested in we have good chances of completing the project :P |
| 21:28.56 | meflin | skills mater ... but I'm not looking for the best programer |
| 21:29.02 | Kakerot | meflin: sorry but can you explain your last statement again ..didnt get you properly |
| 21:29.44 | meflin | Kakerot: what _I_ am looking for is for students who will join the community long term ... |
| 21:30.18 | meflin | the question I ask myself isn't does this student want to GSOC ... but will they stay around without a pile of $ |
| 21:30.43 | mecodestaa | mm i get it ! :) |
| 21:31.01 | mecodestaa | and this whole thing is about open source software development right ? |
| 21:31.06 | meflin | I've seen many students GSOC make some nice code and fade away |
| 21:31.13 | meflin | _I_ am not intersted in that |
| 21:31.17 | meflin | it is |
| 21:31.25 | mecodestaa | i mean you need to have good pre-requisites on OSS.. other wise you can't possible get an offer .. |
| 21:31.32 | Kakerot | meflin: well i work to get experience...GSOC gives a person the experience to work in an org and do projects on time |
| 21:31.49 | meflin | I am interested in building my development team and community |
| 21:32.08 | Catfish_Man | mecodestaa: most people haven't worked on OSS before; one of the goals of GSOC is to give people experience doing that so they can continue down that path |
| 21:32.16 | Kakerot | oh thats cool.. |
| 21:32.24 | meflin | other admins may have different opinions |
| 21:32.33 | Kakerot | Catfish_Man: damn true |
| 21:32.35 | mecodestaa | exactly , i haven't worked much on OSS in the past ! |
| 21:33.21 | mecodestaa | OSS is huge ! |
| 21:33.23 | mecodestaa | its big.. |
| 21:33.24 | meflin | all that claimed , if you happen to end up as my student I will suddenly care about your carer ;) |
| 21:33.32 | olly | mecodestaa: most applicants haven't |
| 21:33.36 | mecodestaa | i'd like to get heads up on it ! but i'm not sure where i can find the material ! |
| 21:33.46 | Catfish_Man | on the internet |
| 21:33.55 | mecodestaa | yeah but.. |
| 21:34.01 | white | meflin, out of curiosity what org do you work for? |
| 21:34.09 | mecodestaa | i have this interest for mobile application development ! |
| 21:34.13 | meflin | ( work call back in a few ) |
| 21:34.45 | Catfish_Man | mecodestaa: so, for example, I was the admin for Adium back when we participated in GSOC. If you wanted to get involved in Adium, the steps are: 1) google for "how do I contribute to adium", 2) follow the instructions on the first hit |
| 21:34.46 | mecodestaa | @Catfish_Man: OSS is big right .. i mean lots of different programming platforms and languages are involved ! |
| 21:35.11 | mecodestaa | @Catfish_Man: my question is how do you choose ? i mean.. an organisation or project.. |
| 21:35.25 | Catfish_Man | mecodestaa: choose something you care about, ideally a program you use yourself |
| 21:35.37 | Catfish_Man | I'm fairly convinced that it's impossible to write quality software if you aren't using it yourself |
| 21:35.38 | mecodestaa | @Catfish_Man: that was good ! nice actually.. |
| 21:35.58 | mecodestaa | @Catfish_Man: i get that..! thats true.. |
| 21:36.43 | mecodestaa | @Catfish_Man: so until the organisations list is available on GSOC website is there anything that i could do ? |
| 21:36.58 | mecodestaa | @Catfish_Man: prepare for it or something like that.. |
| 21:37.02 | Catfish_Man | mecodestaa: sure, take a look at the list from previous years, and see if there's anything that looks exciting |
| 21:37.16 | Catfish_Man | if there is, go join their irc channel, grab their code, and find a bug to fix |
| 21:37.19 | Kakerot | Catfish_Man: one more thing...if suppose i choose one org and work for it like may be a year so will i have better chances to get in GSOC with that org in the next GSOC? |
| 21:37.36 | mecodestaa | @Catfish_Man: yeah something like that would do good ! :D |
| 21:37.56 | meflin | white: previously kernel.org this year systers ( still semi-work ) |
| 21:38.04 | Catfish_Man | Kakerot: there's some controversy about repeat students. Some organizations feel that they should accept new students to introduce more people to OSS, others feel that students they know do good work are preferable |
| 21:39.19 | mecodestaa | @Catfish_Man: If a student is interested in a particular project, and wants to contribute but has no prior knowledge on the requirements.. is he still a choice for the organisation to pick ? |
| 21:39.36 | mecodestaa | i mean, if he really loves it.. he'd spend time to know about it and learn things quick ! |
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| 21:39.43 | Catfish_Man | mecodestaa: if the student is unlikely to be able to complete their proposal, they're unlikely to be accepted |
| 21:40.22 | mecodestaa | @Catfish_Man: so its all based upon how good the proposal is.. |
| 21:40.23 | Kakerot | may be its like you need to prove yourself before they actually consider you...am i right? |
| 21:40.41 | meflin | depends on the org/project |
| 21:40.55 | meflin | being proven is always better then not |
| 21:40.55 | Catfish_Man | Kakerot: being able to judge ability accurately certainly makes it easier to make good decisions |
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| 21:41.24 | olly | if you can prove yourself before selection, it's going to make you look like a good choice |
| 21:41.27 | Catfish_Man | mecodestaa: no, not entirely. It's based on all information that's available |
| 21:41.45 | mecodestaa | @Catfish_Man: all information ?? like what ? |
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| 21:42.22 | Catfish_Man | mecodestaa: talking with the person. Looking at previous work. Their proposal. Anything, really. This isn't done by machines. It's just humans thinking about it. |
| 21:42.24 | meflin | application , interviews, watching irc ... :D |
| 21:42.40 | Kakerot | so like for this year's GSOC i am a bit late...but if i stick to an organisation work for its development try to contribute by bug fixing then probably i will be prefered..cause i have proved |
| 21:42.55 | Kakerot | and defintly i will work only when i love to work |
| 21:43.00 | meflin | student application period isn't open your not late |
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| 21:43.54 | mecodestaa | yeah, i saw its like a week and a 2 days more.. |
| 21:44.16 | Kakerot | i know C and C++...ccnan u suggest a ggod org to work for? |
| 21:44.37 | Catfish_Man | Kakerot: your focus is in the wrong place. What interests you in the world? |
| 21:44.41 | Kakerot | i mean org that needs students to have prerequisites as C or C+ |
| 21:44.42 | rihnapstor | mecodestaa: students applications begin from 22nd april |
| 21:44.44 | Catfish_Man | Figure out that, then find out if anyone is doing that in C/C++ |
| 21:44.45 | Kakerot | coding |
| 21:44.55 | Kakerot | and learning more in coding |
| 21:44.58 | scuttlemonkey | meflin: I'm putting together my first mentoring org app...what caliber of project typically gets picked up (in your experience at least) |
| 21:45.08 | mecodestaa | wow thats quite a long time to do good research on the organisations and choose a project ! |
| 21:45.10 | Catfish_Man | Kakerot: so perhaps a compiler or IDE project? |
| 21:45.10 | scuttlemonkey | would be helpful in knowing what to concentrate on for our idea list |
| 21:45.10 | mecodestaa | thats really nice :D |
| 21:45.17 | mecodestaa | and i thought i was running out of time :P |
| 21:45.40 | meflin | scuttlemonkey: by google? no clue ( also back to work for a few ) |
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| 21:45.58 | Kakerot | IDE |
| 21:46.11 | Kakerot | and even networks attracts me a lot |
| 21:46.13 | scuttlemonkey | I was thinking more along the lines of what do students latch on to in terms of submitting apps |
| 21:46.48 | mecodestaa | @Catfish_Man: i'm good with c,c++,c#,java and i've also created a couple of applications on the android platform ! |
| 21:46.58 | scuttlemonkey | I'll be floating in and out if you (or anyone) has words of wisdom |
| 21:47.13 | Catfish_Man | mecodestaa: again, languages are just not very interesting. It's like saying "I'd like to write a book! I know English and French, what should the book be about?" |
| 21:47.23 | Kakerot | mecodestaa: you have good number of options open |
| 21:47.26 | Catfish_Man | languages are the tool you use to transform the world into something better |
| 21:47.29 | Catfish_Man | not the goal themselves |
| 21:47.45 | Catfish_Man | (unless you're writing a compiler or doing language research) |
| 21:47.46 | Kakerot | Catfish_Man: very true,... |
| 21:47.47 | gevaerts | Catfish_Man: German grammar, obviously |
| 21:47.47 | rihnapstor | mecodestaa: most indians are bound to only java,c ,i guess you are indian ? |
| 21:47.57 | mecodestaa | @Catfish_Man: yeah but unless you're good with them.. and you have good problem solving skills and analytical skills.. you can't contribue effectively right ? |
| 21:48.31 | Catfish_Man | mecodestaa: sure. Someone with poor written language skills will have a hard time writing a book regardless of topic, to continue the example |
| 21:48.37 | mecodestaa | @rihnapstor: yeah, and blame our syllabus for that :P |
| 21:48.37 | Kakerot | mecodestaa: from which clg are you doin your B-tech? |
| 21:48.39 | Catfish_Man | so find something you want to make better in the world |
| 21:48.48 | Catfish_Man | then find someone doing that in a language you know |
| 21:49.31 | mecodestaa | @kakerot, i'm from RMK engineering college.. its affiliated to Anna uniV. |
| 21:50.34 | Kakerot | Catfish_Man: may be projects are more important topics to think on rather thn coding language right? |
| 21:50.49 | Catfish_Man | Kakerot: I think so |
| 21:51.03 | Catfish_Man | it's hard to care about something just because it's written in a particular language |
| 21:51.07 | Catfish_Man | and it's hard to write good software unless you care |
| 21:51.47 | Kakerot | Catfish_Man: you are right...you changed my prespective of working in GSOC |
| 21:52.16 | mecodestaa | @Catfish_Man: yeah mine too :P |
| 21:52.21 | Kakerot | i used to search for languages as prerequisities...from now i will look for projects |
| 21:53.04 | white | if a project requires yo a know a particular language... you could prob learn the syntax in the next 2-3 months |
| 21:53.36 | white | what you should actually be programming/the algorithm etc is more difficult and more pertinent imho |
| 21:53.41 | Catfish_Man | white: possibly. Learning syntax is not hard, but learning to think in the idioms of the language and framework can be time consuming |
| 21:53.48 | Catfish_Man | we had a lot of trouble with new-to-cocoa programmers with Adium |
| 21:54.36 | Kakerot | Catfish_Man: one more thing...i looked for different projects and tried to understand their projects but their coding seemed quite tuff to me...should we approach to a project only if we think we can get an idea how will we approach it so as to sole it |
| 21:55.21 | Catfish_Man | Kakerot: it's definitely going to be challenging |
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| 21:55.41 | Catfish_Man | no real way around that |
| 21:56.43 | mecodestaa | @Catfish_Man: glad i had this chat, i've kind of figured out how to proceed :) |
| 21:56.51 | mecodestaa | @Catfish_Man: thanks ! |
| 21:56.54 | Catfish_Man | mecodestaa: good luck and have fun :) |
| 21:58.48 | Kakerot | Catfish_Man: seriously...thanks a lot...i will save this chat forever to remind me what to look for before startin of |
| 21:59.11 | Kakerot | off* |
| 21:59.28 | rihnapstor | roots of success lies in the hard work guys. thumbs up! |
| 22:01.37 | rihnapstor | yeah Catfish_Man ! all the members of your team are angels.It was great inspiration from you all. |
| 22:01.49 | Catfish_Man | rihnapstor: heh. I don't actually work for Google, btw |
| 22:01.52 | Catfish_Man | I'm just some dude |
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| 22:04.04 | meflin | yea new nodes online! |
| 22:05.05 | Kakerot | Catfish_Man: i am sorry i might be just repeating the question but i want to make sure one thing...if one works for atleast a year in contributing to an org which they have interest in and solve few bugs thn they get a good probability of gettin in the projects...am i right? |
| 22:05.33 | Catfish_Man | Kakerot: it's not a direct cause and effect thing like that |
| 22:05.54 | Catfish_Man | contributing to a project helps you learn, and helps the other people who contribute to that project know you |
| 22:06.19 | Catfish_Man | if those people find that they can work well with you, and you do good work, then that's a good thing |
| 22:06.28 | meflin | as an example last year as admin-prime we had more great students then jobs |
| 22:07.14 | Kakerot | k...all doubts cleared..thanks to you guys |
| 22:07.30 | meflin | so someone very worthy had to loose :( |
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