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10:07.29vedanthi giridharsarda
10:08.40giridharsardahello vedant
10:09.19vedantyou should see last year's participating organizations and select one that u like the best
10:10.07giridharsardahmm i see
10:10.18giridharsardawat are your options to select for?
10:10.38vedantI'm hoping to working under KDE
10:11.41giridharsardarather than KDE?
10:12.16vedantthere are many. see the gsoc 2012 page
10:12.41vedantI dont know which one will you like
10:13.03giridharsardahmm
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10:50.30wGOd_tIU_hello world
10:57.01wGOd_tIU_guys im pretty new to gsoc i just started around 10 days back ,i hav went through most of the docs .so when does official involvement of students start in gsoc 13
10:58.15thunderstruckhttp://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013
11:01.14wGOd_tIU_thanks thunder struck that was my first IRC replay . it says april 22 open Student application period . till then all i need is to prepare and get to know stuff real good
11:03.32wGOd_tIU_^reply
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11:18.46akif500anyone here from SUSE community ?
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11:35.51pineapple1234hi
11:37.37pineapple1234the projects list for this year has been put up ?
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15:00.36giridharsarda__is there anyone knowing about language R
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15:01.36MatthewWilkesgiridharsarda__: This channel is for google summer of code, not general coding help
15:01.37JordiGHgiridharsarda__: yes.
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15:47.58giridharsardais there any gsoc meeting held in india except meerut
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15:54.19VarunDotCuDotCcIs there any organsistion using VB.
15:54.31VarunDotCuDotCcI gues the answer is 0
15:55.07giridharsarda_VB is not an open source technology
15:55.27giridharsarda_choose any opensource technology
15:55.58VarunDotCuDotCcI don't understood what it mean "open source technology"
15:56.21|Kev|There's nothing fundamentally preventing a GSoC org using VB.
15:56.49|Kev|Although I'd be slightly surprised if they did - why not look through last year's tags and see if VB shows up.
15:57.31censorydepalso, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source
15:59.15VarunDotCuDotCcNo what it means "VB is not an open source technolog"
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15:59.28VarunDotCuDotCcwhat makes it so?
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16:00.31JordiGHEh, visual basic is a language made by Microsoft, and they make the reference implementation.
16:00.51JordiGHThere are visual-basic-like languages like Gambas, but I don't think they're actually the same.
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16:01.02JordiGHAnd Microsoft does not make their implementation of visual-basic free.
16:01.12JordiGHSo that's why "VB is a free technology".
16:01.45|Kev|JordiGH: It /is/ free, albeit not Free, to use a silly case-based distinction.
16:02.08JordiGH|Kev|: That's stupid, I don't capitalise "free" when I'm talking about a free man, a free life, or a free project.
16:02.28|Kev|That's because the usual meaning for a free man is not that he is zero-cost.
16:02.29JordiGHFree is commonplace and usual. It's not something so exotic and rare that it requires a capital letter.
16:02.46|Kev|But the usual meaning for a free product is that it is zero-cost, not that it is unrestricted.
16:03.05JordiGHNot my usual meaning, and if confusion arises, I'll be happy to explain.
16:03.10gevaertsproposes discussing this over a free beer
16:03.16gevaerts:w
16:03.37JordiGHgevaerts: This one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Free_Beer_1.jpg
16:03.49JordiGHThe recipe is on the label, iirc.
16:04.05gevaertsJordiGH: possibly. Where can I buy one? :)
16:04.21JordiGHI think they sell them in Copenhaguen.
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16:04.26meflingevaerts: you have to compile your own probably ;)
16:04.43JordiGHYou can buy builds from the Danes if you don't want to compile your own, though.
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16:06.13VarunDotCuDotCcWell VB6 is dead technology, but stills my favourite.
16:08.46|Kev|Ah, VB6 is a very different beast to modern VB. I'd be amazed to find any OSS developed with it.
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16:53.12shiyamhodahi
16:53.19JordiGHSalutations.
16:53.34shiyamhodahi jordi
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17:11.34isomorphismsAre the logs of this channel publicly posted on the web?
17:12.01anth_x!logs
17:12.02gsocbotanth_x: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/
17:12.02ashfall!logs | isomorphisms
17:12.03gsocbotisomorphisms: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/
17:12.10anth_xyeah, that. :-)
17:13.46isomorphismsanth_x: thanks
17:15.29JordiGHI want to turn this into the GSoC theme song: http://abstrusegoose.com/432
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17:16.51isomorphismsI was asking on 3/10 why GSoC is for students only
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17:17.13JordiGHEh, visual basic is a language made by Microsoft, and they make the reference implementation.
17:17.17MatthewWilkesisomorphisms: Because it is
17:17.19JordiGHOops, pastefail.
17:17.38isomorphismsI don't think it's because google wants to "get more people involved in free hacking" as JordiGB sugested.
17:17.47Catfish_Manisomorphisms: GSoC is essentially an internship
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17:17.56isomorphismsMy theory is it has to do with USA internship laws.
17:18.03MatthewWilkesGoogle isn't paying for your professional development
17:18.06MatthewWilkesThat'd be insane
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17:18.29isomorphismsYou are saying the US government actually pays the GSoC participants?
17:18.34MatthewWilkesthey're trying to improve knowledge of free software in students and get contact details for good ones as a side effect
17:18.38JordiGHisomorphisms: But that is (one) of their stated goals: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page#3._What_are_the_goals_of_this_program
17:18.49carolshi
17:18.49Catfish_Manisomorphisms: that's not at all related to what MatthewWilkes said
17:18.54JordiGHisomorphisms: If you think Google is lying and it's actually because they're legally bound to get students, that's something else.
17:18.56carolsthe US government doesn't pay anyone in GSoC.
17:18.59carolsjust want to clear that up.
17:19.04carolsgoes back to sipping tea
17:19.15MatthewWilkesCatfish_Man: I assumed isomorphisms was talking to someone else there
17:19.23JordiGHisomorphisms: Namely, goal 2: "Inspire young developers to begin participating in open source development"
17:19.25Catfish_Manisomorphisms: also, I'm not aware of any such laws in the US; I certainly got an internship while not a student. It's just... unusual
17:19.25MatthewWilkesas it seemed utterly unconnected…
17:20.42isomorphismsCatfish_Man, I assumed MatthewWilkes meant the bill would be too large without restricting to students.
17:20.54JordiGHisomorphisms: The point of GSoC isn't to pay just anyone to write free code, the point is to acquire new contributors, and students seem like a natural candidate, since they can relate their academic experience with the code.
17:21.08isomorphismsMatthewWilkes: yes, but why for _students_?
17:21.15Catfish_Manisomorphisms: I interpreted what he said as more of an "adults that have graduated should be responsible for their own professional development" thing.
17:21.19MatthewWilkesisomorphisms: [17:18:02]  <MatthewWilkes> Google isn't paying for your professional development
17:21.20Catfish_Manstudents are expected to still be learning
17:21.32MatthewWilkesexactly, Catfish_Man
17:22.12MatthewWilkesAlso, think of it from a mentor's point of view. An adult, potentially with a job, may even be a direct competitor to the mentor's company
17:22.15isomorphismsCatfish_Man: I forget exactly where in the US code it is (or if it's state codes) but there are special references to full-time students.
17:22.34isomorphismsClearly the set of young people is not the same as the set of students. Nor is the set of people interested in learning to code the same as the set of students.
17:22.44MatthewWilkesisomorphisms: What does it even matter?
17:22.46MatthewWilkesIt's for students
17:22.58MatthewWilkeswho cares if the US code references students with special rules?
17:23.03MatthewWilkesThe motivation isn't really relevant
17:23.12Catfish_ManMatthewWilkes: well, that's an easy question to answer ;)
17:23.16Catfish_Manclearly isomorphisms cares
17:23.27JordiGHI kinda wonder what US laws have to do with paying students in Mongolia.
17:23.28censorydepalso, imagine that the "set of students" also significantly overlaps with "the set of people google wishes to recruit from".  GSoC is a great way for Google to do something positive for the open source world AND get some benefit.
17:23.38censorydepalso gets some tea
17:23.45carolshey censorydep :-)
17:23.55censorydephello from Dublin! :-)
17:24.10carolsyou mean "the future" :-)
17:24.17JordiGHWith flying cars?
17:24.33meflinauto-google pioleted flying cars?
17:24.34carolswell, we have self-driving cars here in the past.
17:24.43censorydepoh yes, 9 hours ahead, we totally have flying cars.  It's amazing here.
17:24.53carolswow.
17:24.57carolsi can't wait for 9 hours from now.
17:25.15MatthewWilkesThey haven't reached England yet. All we have is snow.
17:25.49censorydepYeah, I was stuck at CDG in Paris this morning because it was snowing both there and in Dublin.  Apparently I cause bad weather...
17:26.02isomorphismsJordiGH: Sometimes US law can extend to other areas of the world.  e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_Tort_Statute
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17:26.55JordiGHisomorphisms: Great, you reverse-engineered the brains of Google's lawyers.
17:26.58isomorphismsJordiGH: Since Google operates (in part) in the USA then US laws may be guiding this programme.
17:27.13isomorphismsJordiGH: I don't understand the hostility. I'm just asking a question.
17:27.21carolsisomorphisms: can i help, maybe?
17:27.23JordiGHisomorphisms: There is no hostility.
17:27.24carolswhat's the question?
17:27.42isomorphismscarols: Do you know what's the reason that GSoC is for students only?
17:27.56carolsisomorphisms: as opposed to, say adults not in university, you mean?
17:29.32carolsserves some tea and coffee
17:29.38isomorphismscarols: Or making GSoC generally for anyone - never attended, dropped out, attending part time, attend a non-accredited institution ... why have that criterion?
17:30.01censorydeprepeats: the "set of students" also significantly overlaps with "the set of people google wishes to recruit from".
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17:30.22carolsisomorphisms: because we want to encourage university student participation in open source development. and it's our program, so we're running how we like. :-)
17:30.36isomorphismscarols: do you work for google?
17:30.39carolsif another company or organization would like to run a gsoc-like program a different way, they're more than welcome.
17:30.43carolsisomorphisms: indeed i do.
17:30.48isomorphismscarols: thanks
17:30.54carolsyou're quite welcome.
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17:31.15carolsserves herself some tea
17:32.13jgsmithquick question: I work for a state university - is there a way to get the ball rolling on the contract review process before registration is open?
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17:32.27carolsjgsmith: what do you mean "contract review"?
17:32.38carolsfor what are we reviewing contracts?
17:33.07jgsmithfor gsoc - last year, the application process required that I agree on behalf of the university, which I can't do
17:33.26carolsjgsmith: ah, you mean the mentoring organization agreement?
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17:33.40jgsmithyes — sorry for not being clear (it was clear in *my* head...)
17:33.56carolsjgsmith: sure. have at it: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/org_admin_agreement
17:34.05lfaraonecarols: Canonical also wanted to take a look at the mentorship agreement for this year before they sign on behalf of Ubuntu.
17:34.06jgsmithawesome! thanks!
17:34.14carolslfaraone: sure, have at it: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/org_admin_agreement
17:34.19lfaraonecool, thanks.
17:34.27carolsit's been there since we announced the program :-)
17:34.29lfaraone(I saw your message after mine was sent... lag :/)
17:34.34whitethanks carols for tea
17:34.36carolsno worries
17:34.40carolsyou're welcome white
17:35.15JordiGHCan we get a diff between last year's and this year's legalese?
17:35.33carolsJordiGH: sure, i can summarize.
17:35.38carolsmentors need to be 18 or over.
17:35.42carolseverything else is the same.
17:35.51JordiGHAlright.
17:36.11JordiGHBtw, carols, what sort of coding do you do or have done?
17:36.15carolsJordiGH: none
17:36.16jgsmithcarols: who should our contracts person contact at Google to work out some of the details (such as section 6.1, which most non-California public institutions will want to change)
17:36.22carolsjgsmith: me.
17:36.34carolshowever, we're not going to modify the agreement for one org.
17:36.42carolsso if you don't agree, unfortunately you can't participate.
17:36.45carolssorry :-(
17:36.59jgsmithnp - but that's a standard change for any contract
17:37.05carolsof course.
17:37.24lfaraonecarols: If Canonical is the org that will handle reimbursment, etc, for Ubuntu, are they the mentoring org?
17:37.33JordiGHcarols: So when I ask for things like a diff, you immediately knew what I meant? Like, a context diff? I've seen you be apparently knowledgeable about other such topics.
17:37.41carolslfaraone: no. whoever applies to be a mentoring org is the mentoring org.
17:37.41ThomasWaldmann-> +1 for "TOS diffs"
17:37.47carolswe don't care who payment goes to.
17:38.10carolsJordiGH: yes. i know what you meant. i speak code, i just don't write it. can't be a PM without the skills to talk to engineers. :-)
17:38.15lfaraonecarols: oh, so... if I were to apply for Ubuntu, it would be me specifically?
17:38.24censorydepcan attest that carol thoroughly speaks "geek"
17:38.29carolslfaraone: you specifically? accepting payment, you mean?
17:38.41lfaraonecarols: since there isn't really an "ubuntu" as a thing, except maybe as defined as the community council.
17:38.56carolslfaraone: so why not just apply as canonical? i think i'm missing something here.
17:38.58MatthewWilkescarols: Admit it, you've missed these questions.
17:39.13carolsMatthewWilkes: for some varying definitions of "missed"...
17:39.38ansgarlfaraone: I don't think there is a "Debian" (as a legal entity) either.
17:39.42lfaraonecarols: I don't work for Canonical. I'm an Ubuntu developer, and I'd like Ubuntu to be part of GSoC if possible.
17:40.11lfaraoneansgar: I mean, there's SPI, right? They legally own the Debian mark and the systems Debian runs on, I guess.
17:40.15carolslfaraone: ok, so then why not apply as Ubuntu? :-) I think we're going around in circles here...
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17:40.50lfaraonecarols: So, I guess I'm confused as to who is getting bound by the org admin agreement.
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17:41.12carolslfaraone: the org admin, the mentors who create profiles on melange, and the mentoring organization.
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17:41.42carolslfaraone: are you saying that "ubuntu" can't agree to that because it isn't an entity and that canonical doesn't want to?
17:41.52ansgarlfaraone: SPI owns parts of Debian's systems and money, yes. But also of Postgres and other projects. But the GSoC mentoring orgs are "Debian", "Postgres", ... and not SPI or that (as far as I know).
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17:42.12carolsi can confirm that SPI has never been a mentoring organization in GSoC.
17:42.24lfaraonecarols: I'm saying Ubuntu can't agree because it isn't an entity. Canonical does not have an interest in participating in GSoC vis a vis devoting their employee time to it, but is happy to handle legal things for the project.
17:43.31carolslfaraone: ah, well, if we get into legal trouble, the door that's going to get knocked on is canonical's. so if they don't agree to those terms, that's the real issue at hand. however, if they just don't want to participate as a mentoring organization, but they're fine with the terms of the agreement and you executing on those terms, then you're fine.
17:43.31anth_xlfaraone: i'm org admin for plan 9. we don't actually exist, either. maybe our experience can be illustrative?
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17:44.09lfaraonecarols: okay, so I'll run the agreement by canonical and then I'll enter into it on behalf of Ubuntu if they say "okay".
17:44.15carolsgreat.
17:44.17carolssounds good to me.
17:45.10meflinI expect a whole lot of orgs do not "actually exist" in the lawyer type view
17:46.20carolsindeed, i think that's true meflin
17:46.21lfaraoneprobably takes legal stuff to seriously.
17:46.24lfaraone*too, even.
17:46.36MatthewWilkes501(c)(3)s are fun!
17:46.51ChrisOelmuellerwe don't exist too
17:46.55meflinsome of the other 501's are even more fun
17:47.02paultaglfaraone: you can always help with Debian.
17:47.11ansgarMatthewWilkes: It that the tax-free-donations legal stuff in the US?
17:47.12paultaglfaraone: hint
17:47.28lfaraonepaultag: I think I'll play both sides this time, maybe ;)
17:47.44paultaglfaraone: but srsly; Debian, you're welcome there.
17:47.46anth_xansgar: the main one, yes.
17:47.49meflinansgar: yes ... but there are more types that that one ( the most common )
17:48.00paultaglfaraone: I'd even be open to trying to push through an Ubuntu project under Debian if some of it can be upstream'ed
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19:30.17whitethanks carols for tea
19:30.27carolsyou're welcome, white. :-)
19:31.12meflinhmm that reminds me I need to put in an order at captea
19:32.39lucascarols: hi! re my mail about packaging work, I'm actually a member of Debian, and we started to collect proposals ideas to have some spare time in case Debian is accepted. that's why we were wondering if such proposals would be acceptable.
19:33.04paultaghi, lucas!
19:33.18carolslucas: why don't we discuss it when and if your org is accepted? :-)
19:34.06lucascarols: well, that's fine, of course.
19:34.12carolscool :-)
19:34.17carolshas some more tea
19:34.59paultagsnags a cup
19:42.07downeyMmm, tea.
19:43.01scuttlemonkeyif you have a googler 'vouching' for your new org submission, do you need to do anything besides include name/email on your app?
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19:44.01carolsscuttlemonkey: yes, everything else on the app.
19:44.20scuttlemonkeyhah, suppose I deserved that :P
19:44.31carolsi would look very poorly on an application that had a name and email and nothing else.
19:44.41carolsin fact, i might even reject it out of hand as non-completed.
19:44.43scuttlemonkeyI meant specifically with regards to the sponsor
19:45.01scuttlemonkeythe rest of the application will be completed of course, as well as supporting idea page etc
19:45.03carolsscuttlemonkey: you mean other contact information?
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19:45.25scuttlemonkeyright, I was just inquiring so I didn't cause undue spam/confusion to my sponsor
19:45.59carolsscuttlemonkey: no, nothing else is *required.* but it would help to have that person email me to speak for your organization so i know that you're not just name-dropping some person you met at a conference.
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19:46.15carolsi have to go through and individually email all the googlers anyway, it would save me a step.
19:47.14scuttlemonkeyfair enough, I'll poke him with a semi-sharp stick this week so his email can coincide with our app submission on the 18th
19:47.22scuttlemonkeyjust carols at google?
19:47.39carolsyes.
19:47.43scuttlemonkeyright on, thanks
19:47.47carolsyw
19:51.24meflinnot quite the question I'm not sure you can have to much/to detailed  vouching
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21:23.56mesutcang!next
21:23.58gsocbotmesutcang: "next" is March 18: Mentoring organizations can begin submitting applications to Google
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22:19.22Taggnostrhello
22:19.33carolshello Taggnostr
22:20.06Taggnostrhello carols :)
22:20.21carols:-)
22:21.13Taggnostrhttp://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page#2._What_should_a_mentoring_organization the link at the point 6 is broken
22:21.19carolsok thanks
22:21.22carolsi'll fix it
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22:21.57Taggnostris "public domain" an acceptable license?
22:22.14carolsis it on the OSI list?
22:22.19mmadiahttp://opensource.org/licenses/alphabetical
22:22.28carolsfixed, thanks mmadia
22:22.58Taggnostrhttp://opensource.org/faq#public-domain
22:24.51Taggnostrlooks like the short answer is "no"
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22:28.11carolssorry about that.
22:28.14carolsserves some tea
22:28.37Taggnostrgood idea
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23:22.56Redbackhey
23:23.00carolshey Redback
23:23.20Redbacki read about google summer of code 2013
23:23.26carolsglad to hear it :-)
23:23.35Redbackand i'm very intrested in, but i have a problem
23:23.39Redbackmy english is not the best
23:23.40carolsso few people read the documents. i spend 6 months writing them, and then no one reads.
23:23.42carolsmakes me sad.
23:23.46carolssure, i'm happy to help.
23:24.15Redbackso can i participate in it with my "not the best" english?
23:24.32ThomasWaldmannthere are a lot of non-native speakers in gsoc
23:24.41carolsRedback: lots of people who participate in gsoc don't have english as their first language. just keep in mind that the program is administered in english.
23:24.51carolsso you'll need to be able to follow written english directions
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23:25.04Redbackooh, that sounds good
23:25.19carolsgsoc is an international program :-)
23:25.33carolsif we expected only native english speakers, we'd be limiting our pool unfairly.
23:26.02Redbacki see.
23:27.05Redbackand you will be mentors? or you will be just administrators?
23:27.32carolsme?
23:27.39carolsi'm the program administrator.
23:27.42carolsbut there are tons of mentors.
23:27.46carolsthousands, in fact.
23:27.50carolsall over the world.
23:28.00carolsit's a wonderfully large, diverse community.
23:28.09carolswe're quite proud of it, actually.
23:29.19Redbackyou could be proud of it, it's a great idea :) I mean gsoc
23:29.29olasdand in here you've got program admins, admins for organizations, mentors, former mentors, former students, prospective students, and a few bots :p
23:30.09carolsalso a very diverse community. :-P
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23:30.45Redback"/msg nickserv help
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23:31.06carolsyou don't want the quotations at the start there.
23:31.35olasdthere's mostly two camps though: coffee drinkers and tea drinkers :-)
23:31.52carolsi do both!
23:31.56carolsjust depends on the day.
23:31.58carolsand the time.
23:32.01carolsspeaking of which...
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23:32.12Redbackthanks, i know it, but i was a little tired :)
23:35.28Redbackhow can i change my nickname?
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23:37.04olasdRedback: /nick new_nickname will change your nick to "new_nickname"
23:37.19Redbackthanks
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23:57.18jank12ultranow i go to bed, because there is already 1 am.
23:57.22jank12ultrabye everybody

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