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| 00:40.25 | hiker | Can a non-participating organisation vouch for a new organisation? Specifically I am thinking of sourceforge (we are going to be SF project of the month, so we might ask them if it helps us) |
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| 00:49.28 | MatthewWilkes | hiker: You mean an org that's never participated before? I doubt it. |
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| 00:50.09 | hiker | Thought so - I was just hoping that sourceforge counts for something ;) Thanks! |
| 00:53.08 | gevaerts | spots MatthewWilkes |
| 00:53.15 | MatthewWilkes | gevaerts: I'm not here! |
| 00:53.23 | MatthewWilkes | How's london? |
| 00:53.37 | gevaerts | Gray and rainy, of course :) |
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| 00:55.16 | MatthewWilkes | gevaerts: So, what you expected> |
| 00:55.26 | gevaerts | More or less, yes |
| 00:59.20 | MatthewWilkes | gevaerts: Goodo |
| 00:59.32 | MatthewWilkes | I'm next in London in a week and a half |
| 00:59.41 | gevaerts | Oh well |
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| 03:27.40 | dush22 | I am sorry to ask this ...but this is my first irc...I can't see any activity here....apart from people joining and quiting...Is something hidden from me or there's no activity?? |
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| 03:28.19 | rww | dush22: you're not missing anything, things are a bit quiet |
| 03:28.30 | rww | well, assuming you got this message, anyway :P |
| 03:28.36 | sukhe | dush22: Nothing is hidden from you, this is how it is. Sometimes it's busy, sometimes it's quiet. |
| 03:29.06 | dush22 | Ohhh..Alright..:) |
| 03:29.36 | sukhe | dush22: If you want to see "activity" here, spectate when the orgs are to be announced or the accepted students :) |
| 03:31.01 | dush22 | Okay..Thanks.. |
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| 07:32.33 | lasconic | Hi there |
| 07:32.44 | lasconic | question about vouching |
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| 07:33.42 | lasconic | an "organisation" is any organisation? or an organisation that already participated to GSoC? |
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| 07:35.42 | lasconic | for example are "Oxfam" or the "San Francisco symphonic orchestra" possible vouchers? |
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| 07:47.19 | olly | lasconic: one which has participated in gsoc |
| 07:48.31 | lasconic | olly: ok thanks |
| 07:50.37 | olly | I think the idea is that they can usefully indicate if you have some idea what you're letting yourself in for |
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| 08:18.23 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 08:21.24 | dm8tbr | caffeinates |
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| 08:34.18 | carols | good morning dm8tbr :-) |
| 08:34.21 | carols | hope you're doing well. |
| 08:35.04 | dm8tbr | reasonably, as well as the situation permits I guess ;) |
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| 08:57.58 | banas | Hi all. Suppose I stay in touch with two organizations, develop a nice proposal for two different projects, and submit two separate applications. Then what happens? |
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| 09:06.55 | carols | banas: then either neither, one, or both of them decides they'd like to accept you. |
| 09:08.02 | banas | Yes, so in case of both of them accept the proposals (Just hypothetically asking), it's left to me to decide which project to take? |
| 09:08.20 | banas | ^carols |
| 09:08.40 | carols | nope, it's left to them. if you applied to both, we assume you'd be fine working with either. |
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| 09:09.02 | carols | you may or may not be asked what your preference is, but if you don't want to work with one of them, don't apply for that one. |
| 09:09.10 | banas | carols: Oh okay fine :) That explains it. |
| 09:09.27 | carols | :-) |
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| 09:10.31 | banas | carols : Is this channel meant for process-related doubts (such as the one I asked), or can we also ask for tips and advice? |
| 09:11.12 | carols | banas: mostly the former. but you can ask about the latter and you might be told to ask offline |
| 09:11.54 | carols | feel free to ask :-) |
| 09:11.58 | carols | we're nice people. |
| 09:12.06 | gevaerts | Some of us, anyway :) |
| 09:12.10 | carols | haha |
| 09:12.11 | banas | Haha. Sure :) Thank you. :D |
| 09:12.17 | carols | yeah, gevaerts is a total meanie. |
| 09:12.38 | gevaerts | admits that he had a mean time yesterday |
| 09:12.45 | carols | yeah? |
| 09:12.46 | carols | how come? |
| 09:12.52 | gevaerts | I was in Greenwich :) |
| 09:13.00 | banas | Lol :D |
| 09:13.12 | carols | ah! |
| 09:13.15 | carols | you made a funny. |
| 09:14.11 | banas | Okay, so right now, I have been in touch with two organizations which generally have had lots of slots previously. I am new to Open Source, so I |
| 09:14.21 | banas | 'I'm learning version control and all that. |
| 09:14.47 | carols | great. |
| 09:14.52 | carols | sounds like a great starting point. |
| 09:15.12 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Haha. And with only a couple of weeks left to make that joke :D |
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| 09:17.04 | banas | I am also trying to fix a few bugs to one of them. The other project is smaller, so that doesn't look like it might have a lot of documentation ready yet. So can I use bugs fixed for another organisation as Open Source contribution experience? |
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| 09:18.11 | carols | banas: in terms of work experience? sure. it's all experience, regardless of size of the project. |
| 09:18.40 | carols | there aren't rules about what experience you can mention you did and that you can't. :-) |
| 09:18.53 | carols | whether it's relevant for a particular position or project, well, that's a different story. |
| 09:20.04 | |Kev| | banas: If you can provide a URL to commits you've got merged into other projects in your application, I imagine most orgs will consider that favourably. |
| 09:20.15 | |Kev| | I would, at least (not that we're participating this year). |
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| 09:22.18 | banas | I see. Thanks :) And in general, when choosing a project, do you advise looking at one's interest towards the idea or do you think I should also look at specifics (what language, etc?) To quote an example, I really love this project which is based in Ruby on Rails. But I have only used Python so far and know negligible django. So in such a scenario, you suggest I still go ahead and apply? (I... |
| 09:22.19 | banas | ...think I can learn, ofc). |
| 09:23.25 | |Kev| | Up to you. |
| 09:23.29 | carols | banas: you're asking two different questions. one question is, is collaborating with an open source project generally a good thing for applying to work with another open source project? yes, that's always good. the second question is, "is working in one language applicable to working in another." that question can only be answered by the project itself. |
| 09:23.44 | |Kev| | Lots of projects require you to do 'teaser tasks' before applying, which might be an excuse to learn. |
| 09:24.10 | |Kev| | I'd go ask the particular projects if they'd want experience you don't have. |
| 09:24.26 | |Kev| | Saves you a pointless application, and they're almost certain to tell you if you ask. |
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| 09:27.08 | |Kev| | (In fact, the advice for many many questions is 'go speak to the project and see what they want/think') |
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| 09:28.24 | banas | kev, carols : Yeah that sounds logical. I actually did talk to the (possible) mentor about it. I told her my skill set and she said it's enough to do the project. But she's slightly busy so she only replies to my emails once a week (which freaks me out sometimes). |
| 09:28.25 | banas | I had another question too. My mentor has been a Fedora contributor for some good time, and her name is listed as a possible mentor on their ideas page. When I asked her if we could do the project, she said she's new to gsoc. It isn't late for her to apply, right? (Assuming Fedora applies to the organisation thing). Actually, what is the process like? First the org applies and gets selected,... |
| 09:28.27 | banas | ...and *they* decide what projects they want to do based on the applications they receive? |
| 09:28.47 | carols | banas: indeed. some people get busy. |
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| 09:29.10 | carols | banas: mentors don't apply for gsoc. well, at least, they don't apply to google. |
| 09:29.15 | carols | google chooses orgs, not mentors. |
| 09:29.37 | carols | each organization has a different process for choosing their mentors; you'd need to speak to fedora directly about your mentor and that project. |
| 09:29.45 | carols | so maybe i'm not understanding the question? |
| 09:30.49 | banas | Aha. What I meant to ask was, say google decided Fedora should participate. Is that based on the poject proposals Fedora makes to google, or is it based on other criteria? |
| 09:31.43 | banas | And once the org is selected, google has nothing to do with what projects (and applicants) Fedora plans to take up? |
| 09:32.00 | carols | banas: it's based on tons of stuff. it's based on the quality of their ideas page, the quality of their application, the viability of their community, whether they've participated in the past and what their students have said about them, if they have another org or a googled vouching for them, etc etc etc |
| 09:32.13 | carols | banas: indeed. google is agnostic as to what student projects the orbs choose. |
| 09:32.15 | carols | *orgs |
| 09:32.42 | carols | we specifically choose organizations we feel confident to leave with the task of choosing quality student applications that have a high probability of success. |
| 09:33.12 | banas | Now it's more clear :) So the number of slots an organization gets is decided along with what orgs are selected? |
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| 09:34.52 | carols | banas: no, number of slots per org is decided by google. |
| 09:35.03 | carols | independent of the particular student proposals each org gets |
| 09:35.17 | banas | Oh. And when is that disclosed? |
| 09:35.32 | carols | let me check the timeline |
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| 09:35.45 | carols | may 8. |
| 09:36.15 | banas | Okay, awesome. That helps me understand things better. Thanks! :D |
| 09:36.19 | carols | yw |
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| 10:09.53 | kai | morning folks |
| 10:10.05 | carols | morning kai |
| 10:10.18 | kai | hey carols :) |
| 10:10.23 | carols | :-) |
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| 12:08.16 | derdon | "Suggesting a chess game written in Java to an org that maintains a CMS" |
| 12:08.18 | derdon | in PHP is obviously not a good fit (don't laugh, this has happened |
| 12:08.20 | derdon | ...) |
| 12:08.22 | derdon | :D |
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| 12:11.45 | Phantomas | derdon: how about a 'worms' game written in PL/I? |
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| 12:16.46 | derdon | Phantomas: I'm a different generation ;) |
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| 13:03.02 | Phantomas | derdon: I'm younger than you ;) |
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| 13:04.49 | derdon | hmm, hmm. could be |
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| 13:13.28 | koda | !next |
| 13:13.30 | gsocbot | koda: "next" is March 29, 1900 UTC: Mentor organization application closes |
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| 13:56.08 | funnymango | hey all ! |
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| 13:57.45 | carols | hey funnymango |
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| 13:58.30 | funnymango | i want to participate in gsoc'13.. |
| 13:58.40 | carols | great! |
| 13:58.42 | carols | glad to hear it. |
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| 13:59.16 | funnymango | i am good at c++ and worked on various cloud apps..so i went through various organisations' idea page |
| 13:59.32 | carols | which organizations? |
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| 13:59.38 | carols | we haven't announced them for this year yet... |
| 13:59.52 | funnymango | umm yeah.. |
| 14:00.07 | funnymango | but some organisations like KDE |
| 14:00.10 | carols | ok, so you're just generally looking for an open source project to work for, outside of gsoc? |
| 14:00.12 | carols | ok. |
| 14:00.38 | funnymango | there is this kde idea page for gsoc 13 |
| 14:00.51 | funnymango | may be its a temporary page.. |
| 14:00.53 | carols | cool |
| 14:00.59 | carols | it's probably their draft. |
| 14:01.04 | funnymango | yeah.. |
| 14:01.21 | funnymango | i mean.. so that students might knw what they cn expect.. |
| 14:01.38 | carols | yeah, that's perfectly reasonable to do. |
| 14:01.42 | funnymango | so i have this doubt.. |
| 14:01.48 | carols | alright.... |
| 14:01.55 | funnymango | last year kde selected 60 students for gsoc |
| 14:02.11 | funnymango | compared to others its huge !! |
| 14:02.17 | carols | indeed it is. |
| 14:02.51 | funnymango | so is applying in gsoc for kde kind of easy.. or is it they give more chance to their contributors |
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| 14:03.06 | carols | i don't know what you mean by easy? |
| 14:03.26 | carols | i think i'm missing something in your question. |
| 14:04.36 | funnymango | i wanted to know why kde had so many slots.. |
| 14:04.53 | koda | carols, \o/ the fun is starting again this year :) |
| 14:05.01 | carols | because they have a lot of sub-projects they support. |
| 14:05.12 | funnymango | ok smileys are allowed on irc ! :P |
| 14:05.18 | carols | they're not just one org. they're one org that represents a lot of sub-projects. |
| 14:05.23 | carols | koda: indeed :-) |
| 14:06.56 | funnymango | yeah.. kde includes may projects.. :) |
| 14:07.11 | carols | yep :-) |
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| 14:07.47 | funnymango | so now i am good at c++ and have moderate knowledge of working wid cloud apps.. |
| 14:07.55 | funnymango | i liked what kde does.. |
| 14:08.49 | funnymango | and for the past 4-5 days.. i am spending a lot of time just to familiarise myself wid the awesome work they have been doing.. |
| 14:08.58 | carols | cool :-) |
| 14:09.02 | carols | that's all great to hear. |
| 14:09.18 | funnymango | what do u suggest a first timer to do.. during the time the organisations come up wid their ideas ?? |
| 14:09.31 | carols | i would suggest you read the student manual. |
| 14:09.33 | carols | have you done that? |
| 14:09.43 | funnymango | yup :-) |
| 14:09.50 | funnymango | submit patches ?? |
| 14:09.55 | carols | indeed. |
| 14:09.59 | carols | that as well. |
| 14:10.28 | carols | by the way, just so you know "with" is spelled with a "th" at the end, not a "d." |
| 14:10.34 | carols | just so you're aware. |
| 14:10.58 | funnymango | sorry :) |
| 14:11.02 | carols | no problem. |
| 14:11.06 | carols | just thought i'd mention it. |
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| 14:11.38 | funnymango | ok.. proper english.. got it :-) |
| 14:11.47 | carols | it helps folks understand, is all. |
| 14:12.04 | paultag | lots of non-native speakers here, funnymango |
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| 14:12.13 | paultag | it helps if it translates properly |
| 14:12.25 | afahim | anyone from TU-Wein here? ideas list says the team hangs out on IRC |
| 14:12.25 | carols | what paultag |
| 14:12.27 | carols | said |
| 14:12.32 | carols | haha, hit return too early :-) |
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| 14:12.34 | paultag | :) |
| 14:13.11 | tarun | hello |
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| 14:13.22 | carols | hello tarun |
| 14:13.56 | tarun | how to apply for google summer of code 2013 |
| 14:14.10 | carols | have you read the FAQs and the student manual? |
| 14:14.18 | carols | and the timeline? |
| 14:14.30 | JordiGH | We're already getting students trying to work with Octave. :-) |
| 14:14.35 | JordiGH | Two, so far. |
| 14:14.41 | carols | that's good to hear, JordiGH |
| 14:14.57 | JordiGH | Just polishing the ideas page for the application seems to have attracted them. |
| 14:15.04 | carols | cool! |
| 14:15.41 | tarun | i think i ran out of time for applying |
| 14:16.00 | carols | you haven't. |
| 14:16.16 | carols | if you want to apply as an org, you still have time, and if you want to apply as a student the app window hasn't opened yet. |
| 14:16.25 | carols | so regardless of what role you want, there's still time. |
| 14:16.40 | carols | again, i refer you to the timeline. |
| 14:17.31 | tarun | thank you i am a student |
| 14:17.44 | carols | great. |
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| 14:27.18 | funnymango | @JordiGH : ThanK you ! just hanging out here made me aware of another potential project on c++... :-) I worked on Octave on Andrew Ng's Machine learning course.. |
| 14:28.37 | JordiGH | funnymango: We've got lots of stuff you could want to work on: http://wiki.octave.org/Summer_of_Code_Project_Ideas |
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| 14:30.46 | JordiGH | funnymango: I might add some ideas from Coursera. They've talked in the past about making SSL work, but it works for me... |
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| 14:33.34 | funnymango | JordiGH: i came across this page http://octave.1599824.n4.nabble.com/GSoC-2013-ideas-page-td4650761.html . |
| 14:33.37 | funnymango | Is there some google group or mailing list on octave development so that i can connect/communicate? |
| 14:34.04 | JordiGH | funnymango: http://wiki.octave.org/Summer_of_Code_Project_Ideas#General_Guidelines |
| 14:35.46 | JordiGH | funnymango: Sorry for the rtfm, but I don't think it's tl;dr. |
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| 14:38.41 | funnymango | @JordiGH: i was already going through it . you mentioned about 2 students.. trying to work with octave..so just wanted to know how they got in contact ? |
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| 14:39.20 | JordiGH | funnymango: They used the mailing list. Fourth bullet point above. |
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| 14:41.27 | funnymango | thank you ! :-) my mistake..missed that on the scrolling down.. |
| 14:41.43 | JordiGH | You tl;dr'ed. :-( |
| 14:42.33 | funnymango | no i was excited to check out the ideas first !!! if i liked them.. u know like that.. |
| 14:43.10 | JordiGH | Maybe we should tweet documentation instead of putting it on a wiki... |
| 14:43.22 | funnymango | :-P |
| 14:43.29 | funnymango | i can help with that |
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| 14:47.24 | funnymango | JordiGH : the wiki is great ! :-) |
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| 15:05.33 | carols | it's that time. |
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| 15:15.08 | funnymango | JordiGH : help me out while enjoying your beverage :-) what is the octave irc channel name.. the link in the fifth bullet of wiki leads to a 404 page. |
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| 18:14.57 | semekh | How are Iranian students ineligible to take part in GSoC? |
| 18:15.15 | JordiGH | semekh: It's part of the US embargo on Iran. |
| 18:16.01 | semekh | JordiGH: Yes, I'm aware. But my question is "how", I mean, is it possible to take part and get my paycheck for somewhere else? |
| 18:16.15 | meflin | no |
| 18:16.25 | JordiGH | It is not possible to get paid by Google at all, but it's possible to work on a free project. |
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| 18:18.53 | gevaerts | Remember that there are more than a thousand students in gsoc. Being lenient with the rules and working out alternative solutions for individual cases would *very* quickly become impractical |
| 18:19.25 | JordiGH | Individual cases like the whole country of Iran? |
| 18:19.30 | meflin | it would also be illegal in this case |
| 18:19.39 | gevaerts | Probably, yes |
| 18:20.18 | gevaerts | But what I mean is that even looking into the options isn't necessarily practical |
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| 18:51.56 | Noia | Are we still looking for mentors? |
| 18:52.19 | gevaerts | "we"? |
| 18:53.11 | SpecialEmily | I want to help out :) |
| 18:53.40 | meflin | each org choses there own mentors |
| 18:53.43 | JordiGH | SpecialEmily: Typically mentors are already established community members of their respective orgs. |
| 18:53.46 | gevaerts | I'm sure most organisations planning to apply haven't finalised their lists of mentors yet |
| 18:54.53 | SpecialEmily | hmm, perhaps I'm a bit confused =\ |
| 18:55.49 | JordiGH | SpecialEmily: The organisations pick the mentors, not Google. You should probably already be somewhat friendly with the organisation that you would like to mentor for. |
| 18:56.01 | SpecialEmily | oh |
| 18:56.07 | SpecialEmily | i'm a googler...that might be a problem |
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| 18:56.17 | JordiGH | SpecialEmily: You don't hack free code? |
| 18:56.35 | SpecialEmily | Google Engineer :) |
| 18:56.43 | JordiGH | That's not usually free. |
| 18:56.50 | meflin | so you have no idea about open source? |
| 18:57.22 | SpecialEmily | I haven't always been at google, and I do contribute to open source projects, but my day job isn't open source |
| 18:58.07 | JordiGH | SpecialEmily: So which free projects do you contribute to? If they think you're good, you could mentor for them. I thought Googlers were typically too busy with day jobs to take on mentoring duties, though. |
| 18:58.58 | SpecialEmily | I might be, I'll have to coordinate with a co-worker who's done gsoc before |
| 18:59.12 | SpecialEmily | I contribute on Guava |
| 18:59.35 | JordiGH | I can't imagine Google would sponsor its own project for GSoC. |
| 18:59.40 | JordiGH | That seems a bit silly... |
| 18:59.58 | SpecialEmily | no, perhaps I've gotten a bit confused on something |
| 19:00.12 | JordiGH | But perhaps through the OSPO. |
| 19:00.43 | blast007 | SpecialEmily: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page :) |
| 19:01.47 | SpecialEmily | hmmm, I might just end up doing cat-herding in the background :) |
| 19:03.18 | meflin | it isn't a bad idea to be the "extra" around a projects gsoc .. you can learn alot |
| 19:03.52 | meflin | still gets back to ... what project are you interested in being a part of |
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| 19:07.54 | SpecialEmily | not sure |
| 19:08.46 | meflin | a good place to start is the 2012 org list |
| 19:10.58 | JordiGH | I'm starting to think that our 0/5 student retention rate is very sad. |
| 19:11.06 | JordiGH | What are other orgs doing to keep students after GSoC? |
| 19:11.29 | scorche|sh | cages |
| 19:11.32 | JordiGH | Well, one of them might come out of retirement to mentor the continuation of his own project. He got swallowed by MSFT. |
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| 19:13.19 | scorche|sh | JordiGH: there have been some mentor-summit talks about this - perhaps browse through notes? |
| 19:13.20 | meflin | previously I was an umbrella so its hard to say last year I had 2 mentors that used to be students and at least one students is hanging around ( 3-4 slots ) |
| 19:14.11 | meflin | I've always kept my eye during student selection on ... is this one going to stick |
| 19:16.34 | JordiGH | scorche|sh: Let me look... |
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| 19:23.32 | JordiGH | "Comment: Gentoo has been tracking students retention, reportedly up to 85%" |
| 19:23.34 | JordiGH | holy moly. |
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| 19:24.44 | meflin | hmm having dinner with one of the gentoo admins tomorrow I might have to give him a grilling |
| 19:26.23 | meflin | if its that high they have lessons to teach :) |
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| 20:16.33 | kolyaflash | JordiGH, meflin From the student point of view, I would say that org should tell how you may be useful after gsoc. In other words -- let them still be involved, not just waiting for it. |
| 20:16.47 | JordiGH | kolyaflash: Alright. |
| 20:17.19 | meflin | kolyaflash: I agree and If I had had such words for you .. I would have given you them ( someone unusual situation ) |
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| 20:17.50 | kolyaflash | meflin, yeah, I know |
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| 20:30.21 | olly | there was a blog post about gentoo's student retention |
| 20:32.47 | olly | ...which I'm failing to find |
| 20:33.06 | olly | the main "secret" seemed to be to focus on retention, and then you get better retention |
| 20:33.27 | gevaerts | It was probably hosted on the blog of the one student that got away :) |
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| 20:33.52 | olly | dberkholz: was it you who wrote about this? |
| 20:34.06 | kolyaflash | gevaerts, :) |
| 20:35.10 | meflin | mostly I'm having a social occasion if I learn some secret I will report back |
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| 20:43.02 | olly | aha: http://redmonk.com/dberkholz/2012/07/10/how-to-recruit-open-source-contributors/ |
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| 20:50.17 | derdon | olly: interesting link, thanks for sharing |
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| 20:56.44 | dberkholz | i did some other do/don't posts w/ a couple other folks on the gsoc blog as well |
| 20:56.47 | dberkholz | might be worth checking out |
| 20:57.36 | dberkholz | meflin: 85% is a little atypical but average is around 2/3 |
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| 21:07.58 | dberkholz | kolyaflash: sorry? that was a little too terse for me to understand your point |
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| 21:14.59 | kolyaflash | dberkholz, I mean that average count is not a useful information in this case, I guess. number of retention students is too different for each org. |
| 21:15.43 | dberkholz | kolyaflash: guess i was unclear. that 2/3 was a ratio, not a count |
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| 21:16.49 | kolyaflash | sorry, I also meant ratio |
| 21:19.08 | dberkholz | between 5 and 10 larger orgs i'm aware of, across many areas of software, that all had very similar retention rates of around 25%, ±5 |
| 21:19.22 | dberkholz | s/that // |
| 21:19.30 | meflin | and smaller org's? |
| 21:19.52 | dberkholz | my 1:1 communications don't scale very well and i don't know if google is collecting that data |
| 21:20.13 | meflin | well I do not think google can ... define retention? |
| 21:20.15 | dberkholz | larger ones tend to be more data-heavy, and the numbers also more statistically useful |
| 21:20.55 | dberkholz | sure, you can define retention however you want. but obviously if everyone has their own definition it isn't terribly useful |
| 21:21.14 | meflin | not quite sure what my point is ;) |
| 21:21.29 | meflin | having only worked on small orgs every retained student is a huge win |
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| 21:21.56 | toso | 33 |
| 21:22.09 | dberkholz | even in larger ones, you'd be surprised (or not?) how big of a difference a highly active new developer can make |
| 21:22.25 | meflin | if there is a way to retain more .. for a small org that even huger |
| 21:22.32 | dberkholz | out of 250 developers, i bet 5 of them make up a good half of our commits |
| 21:22.58 | meflin | dberkholz: no I wouldn't my personal org has in theory 30+ devs |
| 21:23.15 | meflin | most of them have 0 commits a year |
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| 21:24.00 | meflin | yet they are all ready to dismiss an idea on the email list :D |
| 21:24.14 | meflin | ( very broken org ) |
| 21:24.16 | kolyaflash | meflin, :) |
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