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| 00:10.10 | liori | are mentors supposed to register before march 29th, 19:00 utc? |
| 00:13.11 | Arthur_D | liori: only organizations and admins must be signed up by then |
| 00:14.02 | liori | ok, thank you |
| 00:14.04 | Arthur_D | May 24 is the deadline for mentors and students to be signed up: " |
| 00:14.04 | Arthur_D | All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor - 07:00 UTC" |
| 00:14.39 | Arthur_D | err mentors, not students |
| 00:14.42 | derdon | I wonder how many % get in between 6:00 and 7:00 |
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| 00:25.09 | olly | derdon: student apps always surge near the deadline - mentor signups probably don't |
| 00:25.37 | olly | in general the mentor will have signed up ages before so they can review the student's proposal |
| 00:26.04 | olly | that deadline is mostly for org admins to finish herding their cats |
| 00:26.40 | derdon | olly: so older=more mature again |
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| 00:28.05 | olly | derdon: i think it's mostly a different sort of deadline |
| 00:28.21 | olly | and the mentor doesn't have a proposal to write |
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| 00:28.39 | derdon | indeed |
| 00:28.48 | hornig | hi :) |
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| 00:29.08 | hornig | Could someone please have a look on our ideas page if it's okay? http://aerospaceresearch.net/constellation/forum_thread.php?id=217 |
| 00:29.20 | olly | the student graphs tend to look like this: http://survex.com/~olly/blog/xapian/xapian-gsoc-applications-for-2012.html |
| 00:31.31 | derdon | olly: really interesting. and now a graph for all projects combined! |
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| 00:32.48 | olly | derdon: i don't have the data for that |
| 00:32.55 | olly | KDE's looks like: http://file3.status.net/i/identica/nightrose-20120421T140942-wag79vr.png |
| 00:33.13 | Frenchie4111 | As a student, what's the best plan of action for getting accepted |
| 00:33.40 | David_Honeynet | olly: snap for the honeynet project too (http://www.honeynet.org/node/840) |
| 00:33.52 | David_Honeynet | (and thanks for the script!) ;-) |
| 00:34.15 | olly | Frenchie4111: starting early helps a lot |
| 00:34.25 | olly | David_Honeynet: glad it's useful to people |
| 00:35.38 | Frenchie4111 | olly: Define early |
| 00:35.47 | olly | now's still early |
| 00:36.17 | olly | if the first the org hears from you is a proposal submitted in the peak on theose graphs, that's not early |
| 00:37.20 | olly | we have a prospective student this year who's already got code in a release - that's super early |
| 00:38.27 | olly | it's slowly evolved over the years, but it's still probably true that things don't get busy until accepted orgs are announced |
| 00:39.42 | olly | you can't know for sure which orgs will get selected, but if you start talking with one or two from last year now, you'll at least have some experience with how an open source org works, even if the one you started with doesn't get picked |
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| 00:40.25 | olly | there are a lot of things which are common between them, even if they don't all work in exactly the same ways |
| 00:41.21 | Frenchie4111 | Sorry I am not responding quickly, all of this information is great |
| 00:48.24 | olly | Frenchie4111: there's a lot of advice in the student guide too: http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/ |
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| 00:52.40 | Frenchie4111 | Thanks. reading through it |
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| 01:01.17 | anilkumar | Ideas from Couchbase http://www.couchbase.com/wiki/display/couchbase/GSOC+2013+Project+Ideas |
| 01:01.22 | anilkumar | Any suggestions? |
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| 01:11.25 | Frenchie4111 | You could try making the project title a little bit bigger so individual projects stand out more. But it looks good otherwise (Disclaimer: I am no expert) |
| 01:14.27 | anilkumar | thanks @Frenchie4111 |
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| 01:22.15 | hornig | good night |
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| 04:41.46 | tmathmeyer | hey so im looking to sign up |
| 04:42.00 | tmathmeyer | do we need to have a project already or can we join one |
| 04:44.16 | tmathmeyer | do we just use the org_registration for individuals? |
| 04:45.24 | tmathmeyer | ah nvm guys i figured it out |
| 04:45.39 | Singhabhinavds | Ahh i was about to reply |
| 04:46.00 | Singhabhinavds | U should probably take a look at FAQ |
| 04:46.47 | tmathmeyer | yeah i just hadnt gotten to reading the entire thing when i posted |
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| 04:47.15 | Singhabhinavds | Yup reas |
| 04:47.33 | Singhabhinavds | Read it carefully and all doubts will go away |
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| 04:48.11 | tmathmeyer | haha yeah |
| 04:48.27 | tmathmeyer | i was worried about it being on campus too, but i got it |
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| 05:34.44 | ben_endpoint1 | I've submitted org applications the last couple of years and just logged in to do so again, but my account doesn't seem to be linked with my project for this year. |
| 05:35.09 | ben_endpoint1 | s/project/organization/ |
| 05:35.47 | ben_endpoint1 | I see the org info for the previous years, just not this year. |
| 05:42.37 | olly | ben_endpoint1: your org doesn't exist for this year yet |
| 05:42.48 | olly | they only exist once they've been accepted |
| 05:43.15 | olly | sign up as an admin and then submit an org app via the link on the front page |
| 05:44.11 | ben_endpoint1 | thanks |
| 05:44.36 | ben_endpoint1 | doing this once a year...I forgot. |
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| 07:32.01 | kos_tom | meflin: just to be sure, could you confirm that the proposal that the user 'tpetazzoni' has submitted for the 'Buildroot' project is properly registered? Thanks! |
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| 07:42.55 | bkbal | hi |
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| 07:43.14 | bkbal | anybody knows the link to upload mentor proposal |
| 07:43.15 | bkbal | ?? |
| 07:43.35 | bkbal | I could not find it in the GSoC website |
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| 07:44.32 | stefanha | bkbal: At this stage in the GSoC lifecycle you do not need to register mentors yet. |
| 07:44.51 | stefanha | bkbal: You just need an organization administrator and a backup administrator to sign up at http://google-melange.com/ |
| 07:44.58 | stefanha | bkbal: They can fill in the organization application form. |
| 07:45.24 | stefanha | bkbal: On April 8th Google will announce which organization have been accepted. |
| 07:45.41 | bkbal | Yes I filled the organization admin form and already submitted it |
| 07:45.56 | stefanha | bkbal: Great. The form should include a link to your organization's project ideas page. |
| 07:46.12 | stefanha | All your project ideas (and mentors) should be listed on your project ideas page. |
| 07:47.06 | stefanha | If you are happy with your org application and project ideas page, then you can relax until April 8th :) |
| 07:48.30 | bkbal | stefanha: I submitted the form but am yet to update with Project ideas link and admin names |
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| 07:48.42 | bkbal | How can I edit the info?? |
| 07:49.00 | stefanha | bkbal: Set up a project ideas page on your organization's website. Maybe you have a wiki? |
| 07:49.11 | bkbal | Yes |
| 07:49.30 | olly | kos_tom: meflin has no special ability to check such things |
| 07:49.40 | olly | if you see the proposal in your dashboard, it's submitted |
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| 07:50.27 | stefanha | bkbal: This link was recently shared as an example of a good project ideas page: http://community.kde.org/GSoC/2011/Ideas |
| 07:51.15 | bkbal | stefanha: okay |
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| 07:52.21 | bkbal | stefanha: but my question was if I would be able to update the form that I submitted |
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| 07:52.41 | stefanha | bkbal: You can update the org application form until the deadline (tomorrow) |
| 07:52.48 | stefanha | bkbal: Log in to google-melange.com and go to your Dashboard |
| 07:53.15 | bkbal | stefanha: Okay, let me try |
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| 08:08.35 | bkbal1 | stefanha: I am now there in the dashboard |
| 08:08.58 | bkbal1 | stefanha: Now I can see My connections |
| 08:09.00 | stefanha | Got to "My organization applications" |
| 08:09.16 | stefanha | If you do not have a "My organization applications" link then you did not submit your org application form. |
| 08:09.51 | bkbal1 | stefanha: I do not seem to have it |
| 08:10.08 | bkbal1 | stefanha: All I have is the My Connections link |
| 08:11.10 | stefanha | bkbal1: Okay. Unfortunately you need to submit your org application again. |
| 08:11.18 | stefanha | Seems the system doesn't have it saved :( |
| 08:11.31 | stefanha | bkbal1: Are you logged in with the org admin account that submitted the application? |
| 08:11.48 | bkbal1 | yes |
| 08:12.15 | bkbal1 | i am logged in |
| 08:13.00 | stefanha | bkbal1: Okay, then it seems you really must fill in the form again. |
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| 08:13.29 | stefanha | bkbal1: When you click Submit make sure there is a green message banner at the top of the page that says something like "Your form has been saved". |
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| 08:15.24 | bkbal1 | can you please give url to the form |
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| 08:17.12 | bkbal1 | i can only see the forum to update the profile stefanha |
| 08:17.30 | stefanha | bkbal1: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/application/google/gsoc2013 |
| 08:18.00 | stefanha | You can also reach it by clicking the "organizations: apply now!" "Apply" button on the google-melange.com landing page |
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| 08:19.00 | bkbal1 | thanks stefanha for link |
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| 08:36.20 | astrofrog | Hi there - how does once cancel an organization applicatioin? |
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| 08:48.47 | olly | astrofrog: there isn't really a way |
| 08:48.57 | olly | you could edit it just to say "withdrawn" clearly |
| 08:49.04 | olly | or perhaps ask on #melange |
| 08:50.24 | astrofrog | olly: thanks! |
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| 09:37.16 | purezen | Hey.. On what basis is an org. selected for GSoC..? Is it the org. which gets selected.. or the projects..? |
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| 09:40.24 | |Kev| | It's the org as a whole, where one of the ways of judging that org is the quality of their ideas page. |
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| 09:43.31 | purezen | Thanks Kav..!! So you mean.. that in case an org. gets selected, all its project ideas will too..? |
| 09:43.59 | |Kev| | No. |
| 09:44.14 | gevaerts | Well |
| 09:44.17 | |Kev| | The orgs gets selected. Then they decide what to do with their slots. |
| 09:44.20 | gevaerts | What does "ideas get selected" mean? |
| 09:44.41 | |Kev| | There will almost always be ideas that don't have students selected to do them over the summer. |
| 09:45.10 | purezen | Kev: Ok.. you mean.. An org. gets some fixed slots alloted after getting selected..? |
| 09:45.12 | |Kev| | But any of the ideas /could/ have a student accepted for them, because the org chooses that, not Google. |
| 09:45.18 | |Kev| | Yes, pretty much. |
| 09:45.29 | |Kev| | It's slightly more fluid than that, but not much. |
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| 09:47.28 | gevaerts | Also, students can propose stuff that's not on the ideas list |
| 09:47.39 | purezen | gevaerts: I meant the projects listed as ideas.. making to the final list i.e. officially available for students to take up.. |
| 09:47.51 | purezen | geavaerts: Well.. I get it ..:-) |
| 09:47.55 | purezen | Kev: Ok.. get an idea..! |
| 09:49.04 | halfdan- | any recommendation on how many ideas an org should have on the list? |
| 09:49.20 | |Kev| | I don't think I've ever seen such a recommendation. |
| 09:49.22 | gevaerts | halfdan-: that's going to depend on the org, I fear. |
| 09:49.43 | |Kev| | But I'd have thought aiming to have three or four times more ideas than you're expecting slots would be reasonable for a smallish org. |
| 09:49.51 | |Kev| | (Entirely conjecture) |
| 09:50.04 | gevaerts | I mean, if you're the sort of org that expects / asks for two slots or so, your ideas list doesn't have to be as long as when you're expecting 50 slots |
| 09:50.21 | gevaerts | nods |
| 09:50.21 | halfdan- | we have two ideas.. |
| 09:50.31 | |Kev| | That's probably going to need fleshing out. |
| 09:50.41 | gevaerts | Note that we're not google, so we don't actually *know* :) |
| 09:50.48 | halfdan- | sure |
| 09:50.54 | |Kev| | Right. I'm being careful to use words like 'probably' :) |
| 09:51.18 | |Kev| | I can't imagine even a single-slot org having less than four ideas, but I really have no clue. |
| 09:51.40 | |Kev| | You want to have enough ideas that you're likely to fill your slot. |
| 09:51.52 | |Kev| | (Assuming you're a new org expecting one slot) |
| 09:52.05 | halfdan- | yeah we're a new org |
| 09:52.40 | |Kev| | The other thing to do if you don't think you have enough ideas to go on your own is to find an umbrella. |
| 09:52.57 | gevaerts | nods |
| 09:53.12 | gevaerts | Note that you can still find an umbrella *after* getting rejected |
| 09:53.30 | gevaerts | Of course, the umbrella has to want you as well :) |
| 09:53.38 | halfdan- | ok, I guess I'll try to come up with a few more ideas then :) |
| 09:54.05 | gevaerts | Oh, one more thing |
| 09:54.17 | gevaerts | Make sure the ideas list is accessible from the outside :) |
| 09:54.22 | halfdan- | it is |
| 09:54.25 | halfdan- | github wiki |
| 09:54.28 | gevaerts | hides from Certain People :) |
| 09:54.42 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Do you think that joke will ever get old? |
| 09:54.45 | |Kev| | I'm not convinced :D |
| 09:54.49 | gevaerts | I doubt it :) |
| 09:55.26 | halfdan- | why, did people put their ideas list on "localhost"? |
| 09:55.37 | |Kev| | No, protected page on a CMS. |
| 09:55.43 | halfdan- | lol |
| 09:55.47 | |Kev| | Just forgot to flip it to Public. |
| 09:56.14 | |Kev| | They didn't notice because, well, they were logged in. |
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| 09:57.26 | gevaerts | also seems to remember a rather large organisation not getting in because the person doing the work only got permission from higher up to press the button about seven minutes after the deadline |
| 09:57.42 | gevaerts | Make sure your organisation isn't *too* formally organised, and this won't happen :) |
| 09:58.12 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Ah, I don't remember that. |
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| 14:05.13 | saurabhshma | saurabhshma |
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| 14:15.06 | dberkholz | morning folks |
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| 14:48.45 | ravenlock | mentoring app deadline is 26hrs from now?? (just making sure) |
| 14:49.31 | gevaerts | 28 if I count correctly |
| 14:49.52 | gevaerts | Which means assuming 26 is a good idea :) |
| 14:50.06 | stefano-k | :D |
| 14:50.36 | gevaerts | starts bets on how many organisations will be just too late and asking for an extension |
| 14:50.52 | dberkholz | likely based on the hour-long window in google calendar |
| 14:51.27 | dberkholz | my money says lots will submit at the end of the "window" |
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| 14:52.19 | gevaerts | There will be seven complaints in the first hour |
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| 14:54.19 | downey | never understood the rationale for waiting until the last minute. You can always put the application in first then work on your ideas page the rest of the application period. |
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| 14:54.37 | olasd | downey: you can even modify the application until the last minute! |
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| 14:54.49 | downey | olasd: Right. |
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| 14:55.00 | downey | clearly i am an outlier |
| 14:57.26 | MatthewWilkes | gevaerts: More than 0, that's for sure |
| 14:57.56 | dberkholz | downey: well, you do wonder whether googlers start looking at the ideas page the second you click submit |
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| 14:58.02 | dberkholz | downey: if i were them, i would |
| 14:58.33 | downey | would assume people are tweaking up until the last minute and avoid rework :) |
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| 14:59.15 | dberkholz | if you click submit it's reasonable to take it as indicator that you're done, and prepared for evaluation |
| 14:59.32 | dberkholz | not saying they do that, but i would |
| 15:00.16 | gevaerts | They do start evaluating immediately, but I don't know if they snapshot the lot |
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| 15:08.06 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 15:08.18 | halfdan- | earl grey, hot, please |
| 15:09.34 | MatthewWilkes | Well, of course it's hot! It's tea! |
| 15:09.55 | halfdan- | MatthewWilkes: ..you are not a trekkie |
| 15:11.18 | gevaerts | Asking for tea can make spaceships malfunction |
| 15:12.13 | halfdan- | only if Q is nearby |
| 15:12.21 | MatthewWilkes | halfdan-: No, only if Zaphod is |
| 15:12.31 | paultag_ | ..ooOO(trekker) |
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| 15:13.05 | gevaerts | It's all due to the entire idea of tea not being easy to understand for computers named Eddie |
| 15:13.45 | MatthewWilkes | halfdan-: anyway, the of course it's hot is a reference to the final episode of TNG |
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| 15:14.04 | halfdan- | oh shame on me then |
| 15:14.32 | paultag_ | picard only actually orders earl grey, hot like 5 times over the run of TNG |
| 15:14.34 | MatthewWilkes | halfdan-: When Picard is visiting Data at cambridge in the future he orders tea his normal way to the housekeeper who says "Of course it's hot, it's tea! What do you want in it?" |
| 15:14.38 | paultag_ | just btw btw :) |
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| 15:15.01 | MatthewWilkes | There's always a bigger nerd on the internet… |
| 15:15.09 | halfdan- | indeed ;) |
| 15:15.12 | paultag_ | I'm required by law to be one :) |
| 15:15.49 | halfdan- | paultag_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2IJdfxWtPM |
| 15:15.52 | halfdan- | a few more ;) |
| 15:16.12 | paultag_ | not all are him! |
| 15:16.22 | halfdan- | true |
| 15:16.23 | paultag_ | 5 times by my count |
| 15:16.38 | paultag_ | which means I was right! \o/ (was a guess) |
| 15:16.48 | MatthewWilkes | The penultimate clip in there is the one I was referencing |
| 15:16.53 | halfdan- | I would make it a bet, but to proof it I'd have to rewatch all TNG seasons.. and I just did that a few months ago |
| 15:16.59 | paultag | samesies :) |
| 15:17.12 | MatthewWilkes | I'm watching them as the blurays come out |
| 15:18.24 | paultag | Janeway, on the other hand |
| 15:18.31 | paultag | had a problem with coffee in the best way |
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| 17:34.30 | ravenlock | hi. |
| 17:34.39 | carols | hi ravenlock |
| 17:34.51 | ravenlock | hey carols :) |
| 17:34.54 | ravenlock | I have another question |
| 17:34.56 | carols | :-) |
| 17:34.57 | carols | sure |
| 17:35.02 | ravenlock | (this one much easier than the last) :) |
| 17:35.06 | carols | ok.. |
| 17:35.54 | ravenlock | there are a couple questions on the app like "If your org has not participated in the past … " "If you are a NEW org then…" |
| 17:36.02 | ravenlock | we participated… but was looong time back |
| 17:36.08 | ravenlock | shall I leave those blank? |
| 17:36.18 | carols | you should answer one or the other. |
| 17:36.34 | carols | we want to either know what your success rate was OR when you applied. |
| 17:37.36 | ravenlock | ok. |
| 17:37.50 | ravenlock | how about one other…. "if you are new can anyone vouch for you" |
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| 17:38.13 | ravenlock | we are not new… but I think last time we spoke you said "it would still help to have someone vouch for you" |
| 17:38.15 | carols | that one is optional. |
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| 17:38.22 | carols | you don't have to have someone vouch for you |
| 17:38.27 | carols | it's just a +1 to your app. |
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| 17:38.47 | ravenlock | we have a ggogler in our midst as a developer… is fair to use them, corect? |
| 17:38.53 | carols | yes. |
| 17:39.21 | ravenlock | turns his spell checker back on. |
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| 17:42.53 | ravenlock | carols, thank you |
| 17:42.59 | carols | yw |
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| 17:55.18 | ravenlock | carols, one more quick q. |
| 17:55.22 | carols | sure. |
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| 17:55.51 | ravenlock | may I pm ? |
| 17:55.55 | carols | sure |
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| 18:05.09 | anth_r | sorry 'bout that. |
| 18:05.25 | anth_r | er, no. sorry 'bout *that*. wrong window. |
| 18:05.41 | carols | it's ok, anth_r. you're forgiven. |
| 18:06.17 | anth_r | you guys set for the fun? tea and coffee stockpiled? |
| 18:06.23 | carols | of course. |
| 18:06.29 | carols | this is me we're talking about, after all. |
| 18:06.43 | anth_r | i had no doubt. ☺ |
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| 18:09.14 | gh__ | hi, I'm not sure about how to fill the part of the application that says "Are you a new organization who has a Googler or other organization to vouch for you? If so, please list their name(s) here." |
| 18:09.52 | carols | gh__: you should fill it in if it is applicable to you. |
| 18:09.58 | carols | and don't fill it in if it's not. |
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| 18:10.56 | gh__ | I'm not sure whether we do have another organization to vouch for us. Should it be an organization that has already participated to GSoC in the past? |
| 18:11.07 | carols | yes. |
| 18:12.21 | gh__ | Ok then. We used to be part of that other organization (haskell.org) to have GSoC slots in the past. Thank you carols |
| 18:12.23 | gh__ | ! |
| 18:12.26 | carols | yw |
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| 18:23.04 | MatthewWilkes | Hmm, got 20 ideas now, maybe I should stop asking the other devs for more suggestions? |
| 18:23.06 | MatthewWilkes | Nah. |
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| 18:23.31 | carols | if nothing else, it's a good exercise for "stuff that needs to be done" |
| 18:24.27 | MatthewWilkes | yep |
| 18:25.16 | MatthewWilkes | We're trying to get more uni students involved anyway |
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| 18:32.03 | carols | cool :-) |
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| 18:44.05 | dberkholz | guess i should start filling the actual app out. ideas page isn't enough =) |
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| 18:44.59 | carols | nope, not quite :-) |
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| 18:46.34 | dberkholz | i so badly want a "copy all this crap from last year" button |
| 18:46.45 | dberkholz | then just edit as needed |
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| 18:47.31 | anth_r | i try to rewrite most of the language each year, but it is tempting in places. |
| 18:49.30 | anth_r | i did the first few questions completely "freehand" this year, then looked at last year's to make sure i hadn't missed anything. they were *remarkably* similar, down to wording and line breaks. |
| 18:50.43 | dberkholz | if i start with the same template, i find it easier to think about "what should i try to change/improve" more explicitly |
| 18:50.53 | dberkholz | instead of pretending i'm starting from scratch every time |
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| 18:51.33 | anth_r | makes sense to me. i'm certainly not advocating my way. |
| 18:51.51 | v0dro | hey, I'll be applying to GSoC for the first time this year. Could someone please help me on how do I zero in on a particular project? I've been coding for a year now and am fairly proficient with C++ and ruby. The number of projects is just too overwhelming! (from what I saw of last years records) |
| 18:51.54 | anth_r | and given the similarity in the results, maybe i should just let the computer do the copying instead of my memory, anyway. |
| 18:52.08 | stefanha | It's scary how similar to answers I wrote from scratch are to those from last year. |
| 18:52.23 | carols | v0dro: what do you mean, "do zero in a project"? |
| 18:52.28 | carols | you mean choose one? |
| 18:52.30 | anth_r | v0dro: start by picking an organization (or a small number of them). |
| 18:52.44 | v0dro | yes i mena to choose one |
| 18:52.49 | v0dro | *mean |
| 18:52.50 | v0dro | my bad |
| 18:53.28 | v0dro | yeah but, is there something in particular that I should look out for? |
| 18:53.36 | carols | what do you like? |
| 18:53.39 | carols | what are you interested in? |
| 18:53.43 | carols | that's how you chose. |
| 18:53.45 | carols | *choose |
| 18:53.54 | carols | you find stuff that's in line with what you're interested in. |
| 18:54.15 | carols | also, have you read the student manual? there's a whole section in there on choosing an organization. |
| 18:54.32 | v0dro | yes I did go through that... |
| 18:54.38 | carols | great :-) |
| 18:54.53 | v0dro | what did you look for? |
| 18:54.56 | carols | me? |
| 18:55.01 | v0dro | yea |
| 18:55.05 | carols | i didn't. i've never participated in gsoc. |
| 18:55.08 | v0dro | oh |
| 18:55.31 | dberkholz | (as a student) |
| 18:55.44 | carols | indeed. |
| 18:55.47 | v0dro | so you guys are mentors? |
| 18:56.08 | carols | no, i run the program. i'm not a mentor. |
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| 18:57.29 | carols | speaking of running the program... |
| 18:57.33 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
| 18:58.40 | anth_r | none for me, thanks. i'm heading to a coffee shop in a few minutes and don't want to overload. |
| 18:58.49 | carols | that's judicious of you, anth_r |
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| 18:59.14 | anth_r | every once in a while. |
| 18:59.19 | Asis | Hi! How many GSoC applicants were there last year? |
| 18:59.28 | carols | Asis: i'll get you the blog post. |
| 18:59.39 | Asis | ok thanks |
| 19:00.28 | carols | Asis: http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2012/05/google-summer-of-code-2012-by-numbers.html |
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| 19:00.55 | Asis | thanks @carols |
| 19:00.59 | carols | yw |
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| 19:09.13 | white | thanks carols for tea |
| 19:09.32 | anth_r | okay, off for that coffee (and then to finish our application). later, all. |
| 19:15.32 | ravenlock | carols, ok…. did I say that was the *last* question?? :S |
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| 20:09.54 | carols | ravenlock: what was the question? |
| 20:10.19 | ravenlock | hi |
| 20:10.25 | carols | hi |
| 20:10.54 | ravenlock | so if you recall… I mentioned we had another server/site in our infr I could move to. |
| 20:11.00 | carols | indeed. |
| 20:11.27 | ravenlock | it is the "old" server. and it is "old" and deprecated for a seemingly good reason. |
| 20:11.33 | carols | ok. |
| 20:11.34 | carols | don't worry about. |
| 20:11.38 | carols | just do whatever is easy. |
| 20:11.41 | carols | it's not a big deal. |
| 20:11.44 | ravenlock | I'm wondering how much of a deal breaker the "untrusted cert" really is |
| 20:11.48 | carols | let's get on to something more important :-) |
| 20:12.07 | ravenlock | ok. just want to make sure you (or whoever reviews) won't see the big red warning… and just run off. :D |
| 20:12.13 | carols | sure, it's fine |
| 20:12.24 | ravenlock | ok cool. thanks again. |
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| 20:15.33 | carols | yw |
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| 20:17.55 | halfdan- | carols: I asked that before, but how many ideas are expected of a small organization? |
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| 20:18.10 | carols | halfdan-: well, i'd say more than 2. |
| 20:18.18 | carols | but really, it depends on your organization. |
| 20:18.25 | halfdan- | ok, thanks! |
| 20:18.29 | carols | yw |
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| 20:20.51 | Talad | Hi all. To submit an org application, it it sufficient to have it under "My Dashboard" after saving it? Or is there any other step required? |
| 20:21.24 | carols | yes, that's sufficient. |
| 20:21.29 | Talad | thanks |
| 20:21.31 | carols | if you see it there it's submitted. |
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| 20:30.58 | anth_x | do y'all take a snapshot of the ideas page (and other things, like application templates) at some point? if so, does that happen at or around the application deadline? |
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| 21:41.18 | edsiper | carols, why the "student template" is not longer part of the organization application form ? |
| 21:41.56 | carols | because we weren't making our decisions on whether to accept an org or not based on that, and you have to re-specify it for the students anyway if you're accepted on your org homepage. |
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| 21:44.13 | edsiper | carols, i understand, thanks |
| 21:44.49 | carols | yw |
| 21:44.57 | Asis | Where can I have a look at the last year's Student Application Form? |
| 21:45.08 | carols | you mean the proposal creation page? |
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| 21:45.27 | Asis | I mean applying for a project |
| 21:45.36 | carols | right, creating a proposal... |
| 21:45.52 | Asis | hmm yes |
| 21:45.58 | carols | Asis: http://en.flossmanuals.net/melange/students-students-application-phase/ outlines it about as well as any other resource. |
| 21:46.20 | Asis | ty carols |
| 21:46.29 | carols | yw |
| 21:47.06 | kolyaflash | carols, how are you doing? ready for crazy summer again? |
| 21:47.25 | carols | kolyaflash: i'm fine thanks. yep, as ready as i'll ever be. :-) |
| 21:47.27 | carols | how are you? |
| 21:48.18 | kolyaflash | the same, but hope to be just a student :) |
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| 21:49.20 | carols | good luck :-) |
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| 21:51.28 | kolyaflash | carols, thanks very much :) are last year students outed from mailing list? |
| 21:52.10 | carols | last years? |
| 21:52.12 | carols | no, not at all |
| 21:52.30 | carols | any student that's ever participated and passed the evaluations gets subscribed to the mailing list and stays on it. |
| 21:52.35 | carols | what makes you say that? |
| 21:54.52 | kolyaflash | sorry for my English. maybe "previous year" would be best. Just noticed that this is a org applications period, but I has not received any mails from that list |
| 21:54.52 | kolyaflash | long ago |
| 21:55.58 | kolyaflash | anyway, thanks for your clear answer |
| 21:58.51 | carols | you're welcome. |
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| 22:12.39 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 22:12.55 | Frenchie4111 | I needed that, thanks |
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| 22:15.41 | kolyaflash | virtually joining to Carol |
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| 22:20.43 | carldani | carols: May I ask for some advice as member of an org applying for gsoc? |
| 22:20.48 | carols | sure |
| 22:21.32 | carldani | carols: In the past, the flashrom project and coreboot project applied jointly to GSoC. This year, we have the SerialICE project join us as well. |
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| 22:21.43 | carols | ok... |
| 22:21.56 | carldani | carols: However, last year that "combined application" didn't pan out well... we didn't get selected as org. |
| 22:22.03 | carols | ok... |
| 22:22.07 | carldani | This year we're pondering whether we should file 3 applications instead. |
| 22:22.27 | carldani | But that would probably increase your overhead, and that's not something we want. |
| 22:22.50 | carldani | OTOH, it seems 3 different applications would have a better chance than one combined application. |
| 22:23.08 | carldani | The members of the 3 projects overlap, so we're open to both variants. |
| 22:23.40 | carldani | We also don't want to be seen as people who try to maximize chances in an unfair way. |
| 22:24.16 | carols | the question is whether you want to operate together or independently, really. |
| 22:24.22 | carols | it's not really my call to make. |
| 22:25.05 | carldani | Hm. As long as having one joint application doesn't reduce our chances, we'd ike to operate together. |
| 22:25.14 | carols | we don't care. |
| 22:25.32 | carldani | Thanks for your advice! |
| 22:25.36 | carols | yw |
| 22:25.55 | carldani | I hope GSoC will be a pleasant experience for everyone involved. |
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| 22:26.33 | carols | me too. |
| 22:27.36 | carldani | carols: And a big THANK YOU for all your past and current efforts! Our org has successfully participated in GSOC in the past, and it was always a success for our projects (long-term contributors gained). |
| 22:27.48 | kolyaflash | carldani, it can not be the different :) |
| 22:27.50 | carols | you're welcome. :-) |
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| 22:44.53 | kolyaflash | carols, carols_, okay we all know what going on. You created a clone of yourself and she's helps you in your work :-) |
| 22:45.04 | carols | yep, there you go. |
| 22:45.16 | carols | don't i wish. |
| 22:46.39 | meflin | can the world survive 2 carols? |
| 22:46.47 | carols | i sincerely doubt it. |
| 22:46.52 | carols | censorydep can vouch for that. |
| 22:48.15 | censorydep | oh lord. You do not know what you ask. |
| 22:48.43 | censorydep | I think if there were two, she'd collectively rule the world. |
| 22:49.29 | carols | that's very kind of you to say, censorydep :-) |
| 22:49.45 | censorydep | well you do pay me very well… :-p |
| 22:50.23 | carols | sshh |
| 22:50.30 | carols | we don't talk about that in logged channels. |
| 22:51.00 | ansgar | censorydep: If there were two carols, you would get twice the money (but have to work twice as much as well). |
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| 22:51.58 | Albert_C | Hi! |
| 22:52.03 | carols | hi Albert_C |
| 22:52.09 | Albert_C | hi again |
| 22:52.18 | Albert_C | I´m applying (as an organization) to the GSOC |
| 22:52.19 | censorydep | I fear you're half right. I'd get double the money, but probably four times the grief. Carols are probably multiplicative. ;-) |
| 22:52.25 | carols | Albert_C: ok... |
| 22:52.29 | Albert_C | and I don´t really understand this question |
| 22:52.37 | Albert_C | Are you a new organization who has a Googler or other organization to vouch for you? If so, please list their name(s) here. |
| 22:52.45 | Albert_C | I am sorry but I am not a native english speaker |
| 22:52.49 | Albert_C | and I am unsure of what this question means |
| 22:53.17 | carols | Albert_C: do you have someone who's already participated in the program who can attest to how awesome your organization is? |
| 22:53.27 | carols | if the answer is yes, fill in that person's name. |
| 22:53.33 | carols | if the answer is no, leave it blank. |
| 22:53.41 | Albert_C | ok i see |
| 22:54.05 | Albert_C | a requirement is that this person has participated in the past... |
| 22:54.14 | carols | well, the organization, yes. |
| 22:54.23 | Albert_C | ok I see |
| 22:54.29 | Albert_C | thank you for your time! |
| 22:54.31 | carols | yw |
| 22:54.58 | carols | that was…simple and to the point. |
| 22:55.04 | carols | has some more tea |
| 22:55.07 | meflin | that never happens |
| 22:55.37 | carols | meflin: it's really infrequent, that's for sure. |
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| 22:57.28 | Hamish_B | fwiw, a long but rather apropos read about managing crazy altruistic workloads without wearing yourself too thin or turning everyone away: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/31/magazine/is-giving-the-secret-to-getting-ahead.html |
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| 23:44.25 | eric0 | hi all -- i'm trying to sort out our various organization profiles for Puppet Labs on the gsoc website, is there anyone here who can help w/ that? |
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| 23:46.24 | olly | eric0: you might do better to ask on #melange |
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| 23:50.21 | eric0 | olly: hm ok, all the stuff on the website directed me here. i'll file an issue on the tracker, that's probably a better choice than irc anyway. |
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| 23:52.07 | carols | what's up eric0? |
| 23:52.11 | carols | i might be able to help. |
| 23:52.15 | carols | depending. |
| 23:52.21 | carols | sometimes i just serve tea |
| 23:52.25 | carols | that's my usual job. |
| 23:52.32 | carols | anyway. |
| 23:52.35 | carols | sips some tea |
| 23:52.55 | kolyaflash | :D |
| 23:54.46 | eric0 | hi carols |
| 23:54.49 | carols | hi |
| 23:55.11 | eric0 | i just submitted http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1756 which has the dee-tails |
| 23:56.22 | carols | so the first thing is if you want those folks to access info you've submitted about puppet labs for this year they need to create profiles on melange for this year |
| 23:56.58 | carols | the second thing is, who did you list on your application as your backup admin? |
| 23:57.03 | carols | that person can see your application now. |
| 23:57.12 | eric0 | ah, that would explain why the 'backup admin' field couldn't find the usernames they insisted they had used :) |
| 23:57.16 | carols | and if you're accepted will be added as your other admin at that point. |
| 23:57.25 | carols | every year is a new year, a clean slate. |
| 23:57.28 | eric0 | james turnbull's was the only one that worked, jamtur |
| 23:57.29 | carols | it's very zen with melange. |
| 23:57.36 | carols | great. |
| 23:57.51 | carols | so james and you will be the admin for puppet in the case you're accepted. |
| 23:57.52 | eric0 | i confess i felt very un-zen after resubmitting the form eleven times yesterday :) |
| 23:57.57 | carols | :-) |
| 23:58.01 | carols | have some tea. |
| 23:58.04 | carols | serves some tea |
| 23:58.39 | eric0 | so they just register themselves as being associated with org id 'puppetlabs' and they're off to the races? |
| 23:59.05 | carols | no, they just create profiles. |
| 23:59.13 | carols | you and james are the two admins for puppet now. |
| 23:59.36 | carols | when and if you're accepted you can extend invitations to those folks to make them admins or mentors or whatever the case may be that you want them to be at that point. |
| 23:59.45 | carols | for now, this is just an application we're talking about. |
| 23:59.59 | carols | so two people to edit and submit should be enough, no? :-) |
