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| 05:15.43 | yash256 | does anybody have an idea which all organizations are likely to participate this time? |
| 05:15.55 | acl | probably a good chunk of the organization that participated last time |
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| 06:58.03 | mohammadsh | hi :) |
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| 07:43.32 | PioneerAxon|PC2 | mohammadsh: Hi :) |
| 07:44.20 | mohammadsh | hi :) |
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| 07:45.11 | mohammadsh | PioneerAxon|PC2 : do you got any idea? |
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| 07:50.59 | PioneerAxon|PC2 | mohammadsh: idea for student? |
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| 07:53.11 | PioneerAxon|PC2 | I'm not sure, but you can always browse through Ideas page of different orgs, applying this year as well as orgs of last year. |
| 07:54.35 | PioneerAxon|PC2 | Pick up anything that interests you, and try to contact possible mentors for that project. :) |
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| 08:01.02 | mohammadsh | PioneerAxon|PC2 : na :) im not talking about project ideas, do you have any idea about my former post? |
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| 08:01.32 | mohammadsh | you can find it in your logs |
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| 08:29.26 | PioneerAxon|PC2 | mohammadsh: No, I didn't.. Actually I have a flaky internet. So, I tend to miss the stuff.. :( |
| 08:29.58 | PioneerAxon|PC2 | If it was related to gnome-calculator, maybe you can mail it to me or something?? |
| 08:31.09 | mohammadsh | nope! its about: |
| 08:31.10 | mohammadsh | i'm from Iran. since there are economic and several other prohibitions from UN and America for this country, is there any chance for me to get involved in gsoc?? :| |
| 08:34.22 | haseeb | mohammadsh, http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page#4._Who_is_not_eligible_to_participate_as |
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| 08:48.31 | PioneerAxon | !logs |
| 08:51.17 | PioneerAxon | Where is the bot? |
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| 10:10.29 | Roon | the gsoc website states that a student may submit upto 5 proposals... does that mean that the student can apply in multiple organisations??? |
| 10:10.56 | waldi | of cause they can |
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| 10:12.37 | |Kev| | (But casting the net too wide is a bad idea) |
| 10:12.52 | Roon | Suppose i submit a proposal for a particular organisation, can i change the details of my proposal before the deadline or once a proposal is submitted it is considered as the final draft?? |
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| 10:16.25 | PioneerAxon | Roon: According to last year's experience, you can.. |
| 10:16.43 | Roon | PioneerAxon: thanx.. |
| 10:16.57 | PioneerAxon | Roon: YW. :) |
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| 14:41.33 | mark______ | Hi - never done this before - how does it work? Do I apply to a specific mentor or do I get matched up? |
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| 14:42.15 | gevaerts | You apply to an organisation |
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| 14:42.39 | gevaerts | If you haven't read it yet, I'd recommend having a loot at the student guide |
| 14:42.44 | gevaerts | !studentguide | mark______ |
| 14:43.08 | gevaerts | Bah, the bot is gone again... |
| 14:43.10 | gevaerts | mark______: see http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 14:43.16 | mark______ | Aha, yeah just found it |
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| 14:43.23 | mark______ | this is great, thanks. |
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| 15:39.06 | VarunDotCuDotCc | Hi, I was wondering what are the criterion for selecting a student? |
| 15:39.19 | paultag | it depends on the org, VarunDotCuDotCc |
| 15:41.08 | VarunDotCuDotCc | I mean which of the quality they look for like best programmer, most interested person, person with most free time.... |
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| 15:44.04 | dhaun | VarunDotCuDotCc: the specifics really vary from org to org (although nobody will pick a student who doesn't have time) |
| 15:44.23 | dhaun | the student guide has some more skills that orgs look out for: http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/ |
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| 15:45.30 | VarunDotCuDotCc | I have a one small question too. Who select the student, mentor or organisation admin? |
| 15:45.57 | gevaerts | The organisation. *How* they do that is up to them |
| 15:46.03 | dhaun | the org as a whole, usually |
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| 15:46.13 | dhaun | (what gevaerts said) :) |
| 15:46.39 | gevaerts | There really are only two answers in gsoc: "It depends", and "That's up to the organisation" :) |
| 15:47.01 | VarunDotCuDotCc | OK |
| 15:47.03 | ChrisOelmueller | and "no" :-) |
| 15:47.07 | dhaun | heh, we should ask Carol to ask that to the FAQ |
| 15:47.13 | dhaun | *to add |
| 15:47.32 | VarunDotCuDotCc | >>and "no" :-) What no? |
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| 15:48.10 | dhaun | "No, the deadline will not be extended", for example |
| 15:48.24 | gevaerts | Hmmm |
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| 15:48.29 | gevaerts | I was wrong. |
| 15:48.53 | gevaerts | "It depends" is short for "It depends on the organisation", really, so I only gave one answer |
| 15:49.07 | gevaerts | So "That's up to the organisation" and "no" :) |
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| 15:50.14 | VarunDotCuDotCc | +1 for ask Carol to add that to the FAQ |
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| 16:25.07 | purezen | Hey guys..!! I wanted some clarification on the project 'Setup Gitlab as a front end for Fedora Hosted git repositories'.. for Gsoc via Fedora.. can anyone here help..? |
| 16:25.20 | gevaerts | Presumably fedora people can |
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| 16:27.00 | OsakaFoo | purezen: Try User-agent: ia_archiver |
| 16:27.05 | OsakaFoo | oh er |
| 16:27.19 | OsakaFoo | purezen: Try #fedora-summer-coding |
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| 16:32.19 | purezen | gevaerts: Thanks.. I have been looking there as well but no one has answered that as of now.. |
| 16:32.58 | purezen | OsakaFoo: Thanks for that.. though the channel is hardly populated right now.. |
| 16:38.58 | MrBIMC | Secretary of my college said that official transcript of my enrollment status could be provided only to a name of organisation. In a name of what organisation should I request this transcript? Google, inc? Or it does not really matter an I could just request it as "to participate in Google Summer of Code 2013"? |
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| 16:54.41 | VarunDotCuDotCc | Try asking it at official GSoC goup. There you will definetely get answer. |
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| 17:02.42 | carldani | carols: welcome back! |
| 17:02.48 | carols | thanks carldani |
| 17:02.51 | carols | where did i go? :-) |
| 17:03.05 | carldani | carols: offline. the great void. |
| 17:03.15 | carols | oh. |
| 17:03.16 | carols | i see. |
| 17:03.18 | carols | well thanks :-) |
| 17:03.22 | ravenlock | carols returneth!!! Done already? |
| 17:03.29 | carols | done? |
| 17:03.34 | carols | you're funny. |
| 17:03.39 | ravenlock | ;) |
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| 17:04.02 | carldani | carols: I think there were only 2 requests for deadline extensions this time... new record low? |
| 17:04.11 | carols | maybe so. |
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| 17:22.22 | dberkholz | carols: have you ever considered delegating a little bit into a peer-review approach? |
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| 17:22.32 | carols | dberkholz: unfortunately not. |
| 17:22.42 | carols | there's a lot of factors that don't make that possible |
| 17:22.54 | dberkholz | i could imagine it working vaguely like academic journals, where reviewers make recommendations and the editor the final decision |
| 17:22.54 | carols | however, it's not just me in the OSPO reviewing apps. |
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| 17:23.31 | carols | yeah, unfortunately that 1) makes public who''s applied and who hasn't 2) makes it easier down the line for people to say we were playing favorites or not being inclusive |
| 17:24.23 | serge_sans_paill | carols, isn't it legitimate for google (not you as a person) to have favorites? |
| 17:24.28 | carols | nope. |
| 17:24.34 | carols | not in the slightest. |
| 17:24.36 | carols | and we don't. |
| 17:24.49 | dberkholz | i think a confidential review would deal with both of those aspects |
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| 17:25.06 | dberkholz | that said, obviously it's too late this year and i'm sure you're pretty busy to be discussing it right now |
| 17:25.08 | carols | well, it's already like that pretty much with only members of OSPO reviewing apps. |
| 17:25.29 | dberkholz | i am going to go eat some lunch and do amazing things with ohloh data. |
| 17:25.44 | carols | that sounds fun :-) |
| 17:25.58 | dberkholz | yep, http://redmonk.com/dberkholz/2013/03/25/programming-languages-ranked-by-expressiveness/ was my first thing with this dataset |
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| 17:32.49 | giuscri | Hello guys! I'm really interested in OCR-softwares. Is there anyone who's interested too and that has news about some org's in GSoC that is going to propose something related to OCR? Maybe Google itself, with Tesseract. |
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| 17:34.33 | gevaerts | giuscri: at this point, all we know is last year's list, which of course isn't a 100% match of who'll be there this year. You can find that list at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012 |
| 17:34.56 | gevaerts | If you know some organisations that do OCR, you can ask them directly if they applied of course |
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| 17:36.07 | giuscri | gavaerts: ok, thank you. I'm giving a look to last year's list! |
| 17:36.17 | gevaerts | However, if you don't like uncertainty and only want solid facts, the best strategy is to wait one more week :) |
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| 17:42.41 | giuscri | Mmm... Maybe I've found something. |
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| 17:43.14 | gevaerts | giuscri: just don't forget that an organisation not having taken part in 2012 does not at all mean it won't be there in 2013. A quick comparison between 2011 and 2012 seems to show that about one third of the organisations in 2012 weren't there in 2011 (or used a different short name...) |
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| 17:44.20 | gevaerts | So while that list definitely is useful, if you have something specific in mind, asking directly is still a good idea |
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| 17:45.04 | giuscri | sure! But I've found that last year Google partecipated as an org. that you can find in the list as `Google Open Source Porgrams Office`. Yet there's no `ideas-page` if I click on it. Anyone knows why? |
| 17:45.13 | gevaerts | Yes |
| 17:45.19 | gevaerts | That's a bit of a special case |
| 17:45.29 | carols | giuscri: because it's only an umbrella, it doesn't provide the ideas on its own. |
| 17:45.44 | gevaerts | leaves this one to those who know about it :) |
| 17:45.47 | carols | if you've read the FAQs about it, it should make sense. |
| 17:47.16 | giuscri | ...I'm going to get a glimpse of the FAQs now. =) |
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| 17:47.55 | carols | great :-) |
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| 17:53.15 | giuscri | carols: Okk... As far as I've get that does not fit my case. So, what if one want to work on an already started Google Project (I'm interested in Tesseract-OCR)? |
| 17:53.28 | carols | well, are they a mentoring organization? |
| 17:53.44 | gevaerts | That's a trick question :) |
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| 17:54.08 | carols | this is the socratic method, gevaerts :-) |
| 17:54.16 | gevaerts | Ooooooh! |
| 17:54.26 | gevaerts | Yes, that was the other option :) |
| 17:56.12 | giuscri | gevaerts: You're trying to tell me that if Google won't apply in summer 2013 I won't have the chance to work on that project, right? =) |
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| 17:56.41 | carols | giuscri: you can apply to work for any org that is a mentoring organization. |
| 17:56.51 | carols | so if the project you want to work on is a mentoring organization, you can apply. |
| 17:57.02 | carols | if they're not, you can't work with them during gsoc, obviously. |
| 17:57.11 | carols | there's always volunteering if they're an open source project. |
| 17:57.25 | giuscri | Okk |
| 17:57.28 | carols | but gsoc is limited by the organizations that apply and are chosen to participate in any given year. |
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| 17:57.46 | giuscri | okk, thank you carols . |
| 17:57.49 | carols | yw |
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| 17:57.55 | giuscri | Are you a student too? |
| 17:58.26 | gevaerts | giuscri: carols is the only one here who might have some idea about which organisations will be mentoring organisations this year |
| 17:58.33 | gevaerts | Hence the trick question bit :) |
| 17:58.43 | carols | no, i'm not a student. |
| 17:58.50 | carols | haven't been for a long time, luckily. |
| 17:59.09 | giuscri | Ha~ |
| 17:59.13 | giuscri | Ok =) |
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| 17:59.22 | giuscri | I have no more questions up to now. |
| 17:59.27 | carols | great. |
| 17:59.43 | giuscri | Or maybe one more thing ...! |
| 18:00.24 | carols | sure |
| 18:00.27 | carols | how can we help? |
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| 18:01.25 | giuscri | Are you foreigner or you're from US? Because I'm from Italy and I'd like to talk to someone I could speak to about all the passport-like stuff. |
| 18:01.37 | carols | i'm from the US. |
| 18:01.47 | carols | i would recommend you speak to a visa specialist about that. |
| 18:02.09 | tomprince | passports aren't particularly relevant for GSoC, though. |
| 18:02.27 | carols | what tomprince said. |
| 18:02.37 | tomprince | (It doesn't involve travel) |
| 18:04.10 | abc__ | help |
| 18:04.15 | abc__ | #help |
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| 18:05.07 | giuscri | okok, but I wanted some info's by someone which is outside US to be more confident about those boring aspects -and if there's something I'm ignoring too. |
| 18:05.16 | giuscri | But thank you anyway =) |
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| 18:06.10 | PioneerAxon | I just noticed, the bot is still sleeping.. :-/ |
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| 18:18.02 | OsakaFoo | http://techlaze.com/2012/03/richard-stallman-to-launch-his-own-fashion-line/ |
| 18:18.04 | OsakaFoo | :3 |
| 18:19.20 | carols | hey OsakaFoo, I realize this is open source-related, but this channel is really meant only for gsoc-related stuff. |
| 18:20.01 | gevaerts | suspects it's only date related, really |
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| 18:20.19 | |Kev| | gevaerts: You think RMS is doing it to get more dates? :) |
| 18:20.46 | gevaerts | |Kev|: no idea, but calling him open source-related seems dangerous :) |
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| 18:27.35 | codeguru | what do ull think about this year's mentors ? |
| 18:28.54 | meflin | I think they do not exist yet ( org's have yet to be chosen ) |
| 18:29.16 | |Kev| | Mentors won't be known until students are selected. |
| 18:29.16 | gevaerts | meflin: yes, but what does ull think? :) |
| 18:30.58 | codeguru | Really ? I saw a couple on the website.. Apache and C/C++ and all.. What about those ? |
| 18:31.02 | meflin | I asked ull but the answer wasn't family friendly :) |
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| 18:31.41 | meflin | who knows if those orgs will be selected |
| 18:32.07 | meflin | even if they where I doubt anyone knows all the mentors from the many many orgs |
| 18:32.08 | codeguru | Did ull check out Google Nose ? |
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| 18:32.29 | gevaerts | codeguru: if the list you looked at is the list I'm thinking of, I think it's *very* similar to last year's list |
| 18:32.37 | gevaerts | Also, I still don't know who ull is |
| 18:32.58 | codeguru | I meant u all .. Cut me some slack.. :D |
| 18:33.23 | blast007 | codeguru: no, you meant "you all". |
| 18:33.28 | gevaerts | Seriously, typing full words isn't much effort... |
| 18:33.57 | codeguru | True true .. |
| 18:34.23 | codeguru | So..Google Nose.. Any thoughts ? |
| 18:34.31 | gevaerts | I know some people don't mind or care, but you're not making a very good impression on some of the others, and if I'm guessing correctly and you're a prospective gsoc student, that's not what you want :) |
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| 18:36.05 | codeguru | Really ? .. I just thought that this channel has so many people it would be better to talk something.. If people do mind.. I will shut up.. Thank you gevaerts.. |
| 18:36.46 | gevaerts | codeguru: I don't mean you should shut up. I mean paying attention to language helps |
| 18:37.17 | codeguru | Besides.. Who told you people judge coders on their communication skills.. I thought it was the "CODE"... |
| 18:37.32 | carols | codeguru: hey :-) |
| 18:37.34 | carols | how you doing? |
| 18:37.37 | carols | serves some tea |
| 18:37.41 | carols | have some tea :-) |
| 18:38.22 | codeguru | carols.. please dont talk.. apparently gevaerts does not like people talking.. |
| 18:38.33 | carols | i wouldn't worry too much about gevaerts |
| 18:38.42 | carols | besides, we like it when you talk about gsoc :-) |
| 18:38.46 | carols | why not discuss that instead? |
| 18:38.48 | carols | cheers. |
| 18:38.49 | gevaerts | If I have to evaluate a prospective student for my organisation (which I've done in the past), I have to actually spend more effort if whoever I'm talking to is using sloppy language. I do try to ignore that, but again, it takes effort, and I can't guarantee 100% success |
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| 18:40.04 | downey | mmm, tea. |
| 18:40.07 | codeguru | True.. Prospective student employers would rather focus on the thing that matters.. It isnt like people who cant talk cant code.. |
| 18:40.09 | carols | indeed. |
| 18:40.46 | ChrisOelmueller | when you work with open source organizations, a surprisingly small amount of the work done there is actual code |
| 18:40.50 | gevaerts | Of course, but you're making it harder for them to focus on what matters |
| 18:41.46 | codeguru | My bad sir. I will try writing full sentences. Besides its the "in thing" isnt it. Writing complete sentences on an IRC.. |
| 18:41.59 | carols | codeguru: we prefer it that way, thanks. |
| 18:42.04 | downey | coding skills are important, but the biggest learning experience in gsoc is focused on "soft skills" :) |
| 18:42.26 | gevaerts | Like drinking tea :) |
| 18:42.31 | gevaerts | grabs a cup |
| 18:42.31 | carols | codeguru: i know it seems a bit restrictive, but it's just how we are :-) |
| 18:43.02 | codeguru | downey : I did not know that. Thank you.. :) |
| 18:43.09 | ChrisOelmueller | and at least the organizations i've mentored for, we definitely do not apply for code produced (which we could do on our own, with less efforts) |
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| 18:43.57 | downey | codeguru: well, that's my opinion :) |
| 18:44.57 | codeguru | Its a really great thing that Google does. Hats off. |
| 18:45.11 | carols | thanks very much, codeguru :-D |
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| 18:57.40 | OsakaFoo | carols: Understood, I shall keep on topic, many apologies |
| 18:57.50 | carols | no problem. |
| 18:57.53 | carols | have some tea. |
| 18:58.20 | downey | passes crumpets |
| 18:59.54 | OsakaFoo | oh crumpets and tea, this is a good day ^_^ |
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| 19:41.15 | devajmitra | hello everyone, this is the first time I'm using irc :) |
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| 19:41.56 | carols | hi devajmitra |
| 19:43.47 | devajmitra | hi carols. I have a query regarding contacting an organization/mentor. |
| 19:43.52 | carols | sure. |
| 19:45.15 | devajmitra | Is it okay if I go ahead and write a mail to a mentor(prospective) directly if it's listed on the idea's page? |
| 19:45.37 | carols | you're welcome to mail folks if they've listed contact information :-) |
| 19:45.42 | |Kev| | What does the page say? |
| 19:45.43 | carols | that's the point of listing contact info publicly. |
| 19:45.46 | devajmitra | or is it preferable to communicate through irc first? |
| 19:45.57 | carols | what does the page say? |
| 19:46.01 | |Kev| | If it says "Please send stuff to [this list]" it's probably best to do that (or [this channel] or whatever) |
| 19:46.16 | |Kev| | If it says "Contact mentors if you have questions" it's clearly fair game. |
| 19:46.46 | |Kev| | As a general rule, I'd be inclined to go general before going specific, but that's just me (possibly). |
| 19:47.17 | devajmitra | it was KDE's ideas page for 2013(if it gets selected). It didn't say anything specific but the email addresses were listed alongside each project. |
| 19:47.42 | carols | devajmitra: why not just check out their IRC channel? |
| 19:47.42 | devajmitra | http://community.kde.org/GSoC/2013/Ideas |
| 19:49.16 | devajmitra | alright. I have joined the channel but didn't ask anything because noone seemed to be talking. |
| 19:49.27 | carols | well, then mail them :-) |
| 19:49.31 | carols | it's not a big deal. |
| 19:49.37 | carols | what's the worst that could happen? |
| 19:49.42 | carols | no one's going to bite your head off :-) |
| 19:50.14 | stefanct | devajmitra: http://community.kde.org/GSoC#Instructions_for_students |
| 19:50.21 | devajmitra | haha right, thanks :) |
| 19:52.34 | devajmitra | stefanct : I did go through that page |
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| 19:56.18 | stefanct | devajmitra: well, it explicitly mentions mailing lists and IRC... :) but if the mentor things discussing with you should be done in public, he will tell you and not get angry |
| 19:59.28 | devajmitra | I have joined the project mailing list and irc since yesterday. But it doesn't seem to be active, no post. And I didn't know if I should talk about gsoc in the technical mailing list. Hence my question of writing a direct email. |
| 19:59.53 | carols | well, one day is not a lot of time to allow for people to respond. |
| 19:59.57 | carols | we all have lives and get busy |
| 20:00.01 | carols | be patient. :-) |
| 20:00.53 | tomprince | That assumes you've posted. |
| 20:01.09 | tomprince | There are lots of lists that aren't very busy. |
| 20:02.24 | devajmitra | naah I didn't mean that. I haven't asked anything there yet. By inactive I meant there seems to be no communication between anyone going on there. I actually though I might have done something wrong in setting up my irc client till i say the activity here :P |
| 20:02.37 | devajmitra | *thought |
| 20:02.59 | carols | the GSoC channel is like that for large swaths of the year. |
| 20:03.06 | carols | might just be a low period for them. |
| 20:03.10 | carols | i wouldn't read too much into it. |
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| 20:06.25 | devajmitra | okay thanks for clearing things out :) |
| 20:06.31 | carols | yw :-) |
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| 20:11.45 | stefanct | devajmitra: a simple "Hi, I am a prospective GSoC student and interested in getting to know stuff" can change the activity level drastically ;) |
| 20:12.35 | meflin | I'm idling in several channels waiting for such just an event |
| 20:13.30 | meflin | the -soc specific one hasn't seen a peep of traffic in almost a week |
| 20:18.25 | devajmitra | okay, will do that then :) didn't do that yet because wanted to observe a bit first, being completely new to open source community. But I'll go ahead anyway now. |
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| 20:25.47 | vinamratas | question: if I already have a fulltime paid internship, is it still possible to do Google's Summer of Code on the side? |
| 20:26.13 | carols | vinamratas: probably not. |
| 20:26.25 | carols | enjoy your internship :-) |
| 20:26.37 | vinamratas | no problem, thank you for answering the question! |
| 20:26.41 | carols | yw :-) |
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| 20:31.49 | Franciman | hey guys |
| 20:32.05 | Franciman | gsoc starts in june right? |
| 20:33.29 | ojwb | Franciman: well, it has several phases |
| 20:33.33 | ojwb | see the timeline for the details |
| 20:33.51 | Franciman | where can I find it? |
| 20:34.03 | ojwb | the bot is gone, but it |
| 20:34.08 | ojwb | is easy to find on the website |
| 20:34.15 | devajmitra | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 |
| 20:34.21 | Franciman | thanks |
| 20:34.45 | Franciman | ojwb nevertheless, my question was: suppose I turn 18 in july can I participate? |
| 20:34.59 | ojwb | the FAQ is very clear on the date you have to be 18 by |
| 20:35.15 | Franciman | oh ok |
| 20:35.19 | Franciman | thanks for the help :) |
| 20:35.47 | ojwb | i don't have in memorised, but I'm fairly sure you're too young for this year |
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| 20:36.06 | ojwb | but you can still get involved outside of gsoc |
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| 20:36.39 | ojwb | and (assuming google run it again) there's GCI later in the year if you're eligible for that |
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| 21:36.27 | carldani | Franciman: Lots of orgs are looking for contributors outside GSoC as well, and knowing an org well (and having contributed there) is a good way to increase your chances to get accepted by that org next year. |
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| 21:36.58 | ChrisOelmueller | or by any other for that matter |
| 21:36.58 | Franciman | carldani, ok thanks for the advice |
| 21:37.44 | derdon | I think it's also not that bad to work for an org as a non-gsoc-student |
| 21:37.53 | carldani | Franciman: Yes, ChrisOelmueller is right. If an org can see that you already have contributed code to another project, it will probably also go a long way to make them favour you. |
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| 21:39.08 | carldani | <shameless self-promotion>Now if you know C and like to work on hardware drivers, you should take a look at the flashrom and coreboot projects.</shameless self-promotion> |
| 21:39.37 | carldani | It's not as hard as you may think, and you can have lots of fun along the way. |
| 21:39.49 | derdon | C … drivers … fun? |
| 21:40.27 | Franciman | lol carldani I will. By the way I was asking it for a friend of mine, i turn 18 too late, in october |
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| 21:42.33 | gevaerts | derdon: of course |
| 21:43.28 | gevaerts | doesn't understand the world where C and drivers are *not* fun :) |
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| 21:44.20 | anth_r | the one in which vendors don't provide documentation. :-/ |
| 21:45.06 | derdon | gevaerts: writing scissors, paper, rock in befunge was fun for me ;) |
| 21:45.14 | anth_r | (or the documentation is, shall we say, "aspirational".) |
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| 21:46.40 | gevaerts | anth_r: I tend to leave that particular part to other people :) |
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| 23:01.32 | victsou | Has anyone from some country traveled to the US between the mid and final payment? I am going to study in the US starting at the end of August, what means that I would be on american soil when I get the final payment. This can´t be the first time this happens... |
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| 23:03.58 | gevaerts | victsou: the *payment* shouldn't be a problem (it used to work using a prepaid card you get sent around acceptance time, and I have no reason to believe this changed) |
| 23:05.00 | ojwb | you need to be allowed to work wherever you are during the coding period though |
| 23:05.02 | gevaerts | The main issues I can see would be, depending in part on exactly *when* you travel, type of visa (are you allowed to work?), and taxes |
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| 23:32.52 | victsou | Sorry, I dc´d. gevaerts ojwb If I´m not allowed to work, do you think it would be enough just to do all my work before I travel, so that I indeed receive while in the US, but without having worked after entering the country? |
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| 23:33.21 | ojwb | victsou: I can't speak for the US taxation side |
| 23:33.37 | ojwb | as for whether you can simply stop working when you go to the US, that depends on the org and the date |
| 23:33.50 | ojwb | if it's the day after the midterm, that's not a realistic plan |
| 23:34.09 | ojwb | if it's a week before the end, you could feasibly start a week early to cover it |
| 23:34.44 | victsou | yeah, thanks, just wondering. It´s rather close to the end, the org-side shouldn´t be a problem. I´ll try and gather more information about the VISA side |
| 23:34.59 | victsou | asked around here first just to check if someone has already done that |
| 23:35.06 | ojwb | we had a student who had an internship which was looking likely to start a week before the end last year |
| 23:35.15 | ojwb | though in the end he got them to move the start date back |
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| 23:36.03 | ojwb | but do talk to the org about it - we don't like surprises like this being sprung on us |
| 23:36.14 | victsou | already have, ojwb, but thanks |
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