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05:29.19 | mithro | any students alive here? |
05:29.24 | smilesInc | yes |
05:29.46 | meflin | not a student and dead |
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05:30.21 | mithro | any python coders want a meaty but cool GSoC project? :P |
05:30.48 | meflin | I expect python.org has many of those |
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05:34.28 | meflin | mithro: what is your point? |
05:35.00 | mithro | meflin, I'm recruiting |
05:35.05 | ojwb | meflin: i think he's wanting to pimp his org |
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05:35.34 | ojwb | which probably is a bad idea - imagine 177 orgs all trying recruit students here |
05:36.02 | meflin | imagine if if that pissed on 7 or more orgs |
05:36.09 | white | i don't know ... better than 4000 odd students doing the same ;) |
05:36.30 | meflin | students are at least students |
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05:37.39 | ojwb | why would students be trying to recruit students? |
05:37.53 | mithro | If every org got 5 minutes, they could announce and discuss every 14 hours - or about twice a day |
05:38.26 | meflin | mithro: so lets get down to basics .. what are you trying to do |
05:39.54 | meflin | and what is your org |
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05:41.56 | mithro | meflin, nobody seemed particularly interested so no real point in going any further? |
05:42.08 | meflin | you are very very wrong |
05:42.45 | meflin | got example I could know a potential student that could be intersted in your org/project |
05:44.31 | mithro | meflin, TimVideos.org - we are trying to make video streaming from conferences easy. One of our "hot" projects is to port flumotion from gstreamer 0.10 to gstreamer 1.0 - flumotion is written in Python with twisted. - We also have a bunch of hardware projects for those interested in VHDL/Verilog and PCB creation |
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05:46.24 | meflin | ideas page? |
05:50.12 | mithro | meflin, so if you know someone who might be interested send them to #timvideo - Overview -> http://code.timvideos.us/Home.html || GSoC Ideas Page -> http://code.timvideos.us/Ideas.html || Flumotion porting project -> https://github.com/timvideos/getting-started/issues/9 |
05:50.53 | meflin | and your gsoc page? |
05:51.00 | meflin | I know a person |
05:51.18 | meflin | vid is not me my thing but its is his |
05:51.49 | mithro | http://code.timvideos.us/Summer-Of-Code.html <- Summer of Code page with how to write an application |
05:51.52 | meflin | if you a sub-org point me at the main |
05:52.35 | mithro | oh you mean the gsoc page - http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2013/timvideos |
05:53.15 | meflin | well a sub org is under a different accepted org |
05:54.05 | meflin | this is not BTW the way the place to fish for students |
05:54.23 | mithro | We are always happy to chat/discuss with anyone who is interested |
05:54.32 | meflin | we are not |
05:55.00 | meflin | I will poke the interested person in your direction |
05:55.05 | meflin | but this # isn't the place |
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05:58.57 | mithro | I won't poke again |
05:59.35 | meflin | get your crew out and about ... |
05:59.56 | meflin | thing about what happens here if 177 orgs do what you did |
06:00.47 | meflin | good students are hard to find hunt them down and keep them in your org |
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06:09.21 | kblin | the nice part is that IRC is non-blocking, so you're not limited to one org at a time :) |
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06:28.11 | edsiper | any student around with c++ skills ? |
06:28.23 | aciid | yes |
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13:15.57 | kktherock | Where the details of mentors of sage..? |
13:16.50 | gevaerts | kktherock: there seem to be lots of ways to contact them on their melange profile |
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14:35.48 | Achillion | Have some IT security humor to break the silence: http://fishbowl.pastiche.org/2013/04/14/it_security_in_a_nutshell/ |
14:38.26 | Arthur_M | Lol |
14:38.37 | Arthur_M | That's sad |
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16:21.54 | gevaerts | !this cookie | Achillion |
16:21.54 | gsocbot | Achillion: "this cookie" is for you |
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16:31.19 | Lennie | !this cluebat | gevaerts |
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16:31.44 | Lennie | I didn't say I was hitting you with the cluebat :) |
16:31.56 | gevaerts | Maybe it thought you did :) |
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17:09.27 | guido__ | Guys, do you happen to know any systems design, computer architecture, operating systems (or similar area) related projects? |
17:09.41 | carols | guido__: have you already searched the tags of the accepted organizations? |
17:10.17 | guido__ | I'm doing that now! I found a few already |
17:10.26 | carols | great! |
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17:11.50 | darnir | guido__: Take a look at timvideo. Not exactly everything you asked for, but quite close. |
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17:20.24 | gwty | Hello, Is there any limit on proposal length? |
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17:20.53 | carols | gwty: i don't believe so |
17:21.06 | carols | only whatever melange's tinymce editor has, which i believe is pretty long |
17:21.17 | carols | if you're worried about it you might want to ask in #melange |
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17:24.34 | gwty | carols: Thank you |
17:24.38 | carols | yw |
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17:31.39 | carols | serves some coffee and tea |
17:33.23 | paultag | snags a cup |
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17:37.37 | white | thanks carols for tea |
17:37.46 | carols | yw :-) |
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17:43.49 | Uli- | good evening |
17:43.57 | carols | good evening Uli- |
17:44.07 | Uli- | hey carols |
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17:50.48 | tierra | my org admin mentioned that there was supposed to have been an IRC meeting last Saturday here at 1600UTC, but couldn't make it, so I was sitting in, but I didn't see any meeting |
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17:50.58 | carols | no meeting. |
17:51.04 | tierra | was that rescheduled? |
17:51.09 | carols | that person may have meant the one that's this coming friday? |
17:51.14 | carols | no, nothing was rescheduled. |
17:51.16 | tierra | hmm |
17:51.24 | carols | it's always been for this friday. assuming, of course, it's the same meeting. |
17:53.06 | tierra | well, we just were curious if we could find any additional info on what we might have done with our org app, as to why it didn't make the cut again this year (we weren't surprised with being cut last year with new orgs coming in, but it was odd getting cut 2 years in a row) |
17:53.24 | tierra | would that be something discussed on Friday? |
17:53.44 | carols | yep, that's the rejected orgs feedback meeting. |
17:53.51 | tierra | ah, ok, thanks |
17:54.22 | carols | it's on the the gsoc calendar and it's time and date were listed in the email you got informing you that you'd been rejected. |
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17:56.38 | gevaerts | I'm surprised by how many people thought it was last Friday, actually |
17:57.11 | carols | i guess maybe because in years past it's been on the friday after the announcement? |
17:57.27 | gevaerts | Probably |
17:57.41 | tierra | yeah, I was specifically told it was on the 13th.. |
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17:58.07 | tierra | maybe something somewhere had old dates on it |
17:58.26 | carols | maybe. |
17:58.27 | carols | oh well. |
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18:01.35 | gevaerts | Yes, it's probably the least annoying date to get wrong in all of gsoc |
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18:01.59 | sbcd90 | hello |
18:02.23 | carols | hello sbcd90 |
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18:17.16 | nehaljwani | Hey admins, I need a little help. I had created my account on GSoC site last year. Since then, my communication address, blog-url, contact number, etc have changed. How can I update them? |
18:17.28 | carols | nehaljwani: try #melange |
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18:28.56 | kblin | evening folks |
18:29.02 | kblin | !next |
18:29.03 | gsocbot | kblin: "next" is April 22 19:00 UTC: Student application period opens. |
18:29.28 | lionaneesh | !logs |
18:29.29 | gsocbot | lionaneesh: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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18:31.16 | kblin | learn next as April 19th 18:00 UTC: Rejected org feedback meeting |
18:31.19 | kblin | !learn next as April 19th 18:00 UTC: Rejected org feedback meeting |
18:31.19 | gsocbot | kblin: "next" is (#1) April 22 19:00 UTC: Student application period opens., or (#2) April 19th 18:00 UTC: Rejected org feedback meeting |
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18:37.08 | lionaneesh | !next |
18:37.10 | gsocbot | lionaneesh: "next" is (#1) April 22 19:00 UTC: Student application period opens., or (#2) April 19th 18:00 UTC: Rejected org feedback meeting |
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18:44.02 | ojwb | tierra: wxwidgets didn't get in? |
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18:50.10 | pavlo | Anyone from the Open Source Robotics Foundation in the channel? |
18:51.08 | ojwb | !anyone | pavlo |
18:51.09 | gsocbot | pavlo: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
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18:53.20 | ojwb | gsocbot: learn anyone as Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization directly. You can find an org's contact information via the org list at http://goo.gl/yxeB0 |
18:53.21 | gsocbot | ojwb: "anyone" is (#1) Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here>, or (#2) Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization (1 more message) |
18:53.32 | ojwb | gsocbot: forget anyone #1 |
18:53.33 | gsocbot | ojwb: Error: There is no such factoid. |
18:53.37 | ojwb | gsocbot: forget anyone 1 |
18:53.38 | gsocbot | ojwb: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization directly. You can find an org's contact information via the org list at http://goo.gl/yxeB0 |
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19:35.09 | erfaisal54 | hi.. |
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19:35.16 | carols | hi erfaisal54 |
19:35.18 | erfaisal54 | i am new to gsoc.. |
19:35.44 | carols | cool! we're glad you're here. |
19:36.34 | erfaisal54 | @carlos : are you in organizing commitee of GSOC..? |
19:36.48 | carols | did you mean to message me? |
19:36.58 | carols | if so, yes, i'm the program administrator. |
19:37.00 | erfaisal54 | @carlos.. yes.. |
19:37.22 | carols | i'm carols |
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19:37.35 | erfaisal54 | i want some suggestions. from you.. |
19:37.37 | carols | a subtle but important distinction. |
19:37.41 | carols | sure, how can i help? |
19:37.53 | erfaisal54 | how to make an effective application template..? |
19:38.04 | carols | have you read the student manual? |
19:38.21 | carols | and talked to the orgs you're interested in working with about their proposal requirements? |
19:39.07 | erfaisal54 | yeah.. i have started contacting organizations regarding my project proposals.. |
19:39.11 | carols | awesome! |
19:39.27 | carols | then they should be able to help you out in tandem with you doing some research from the student manual. |
19:39.55 | erfaisal54 | can i submit more than 5 proposals ..? |
19:39.59 | carols | nope. |
19:40.02 | carols | 5's the max. |
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19:40.18 | carols | and really, you wouldn't want to anyway. quality is better than quantity. |
19:40.22 | erfaisal54 | for a specific organization.. ? or total..? |
19:40.26 | carols | total. |
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19:40.47 | carols | i say submit 1 really awesome one, not 5 mediocre ones :-) |
19:41.42 | dmp | carols: oh, last year limit was 20? It will clearly improve quality :) |
19:41.52 | carols | hopefully so, dmp :-) |
19:41.56 | erfaisal54 | can i have your email id please..? |
19:42.01 | carols | mine? |
19:42.08 | erfaisal54 | so that i can contact you.. |
19:42.09 | carols | sure, carols@google.com. |
19:42.10 | erfaisal54 | yeah.. |
19:42.22 | carols | i'm happy to answer any questions you have here, though. |
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19:42.31 | sunu | :D |
19:43.21 | erfaisal54 | thanks a lot.. carlos.. I am going through the interested organizations list and wouls get backj to you if there is any prob.. |
19:43.29 | carols | sure, but it's carols. |
19:43.31 | carols | not carlos. |
19:43.42 | erfaisal54 | ohh sorry.. |
19:43.44 | carols | as i said, a subtle but important distinction. |
19:44.12 | erfaisal54 | i will remind it.. |
19:44.18 | carols | thanks |
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19:45.13 | phenom_ | Hey @carols, I have a doubt. Is it common for an initial proposal to not receive a response from the listed given by the mentor org? |
19:45.22 | carols | phenom_: sure, of course. |
19:45.27 | carols | we all have lives and jobs :-) |
19:45.44 | Ivanovic | phenom_: if the folks have an irc chan, try to talk to the mentors in there |
19:45.53 | Ivanovic | phenom_: not every project uses the mailing list actively |
19:47.07 | phenom_ | Oh, I ask because it has been a few days. And I thought I made a very compelling case. |
19:47.11 | phenom_ | Thanks, though. |
19:47.21 | Achillion | Lives? |
19:47.28 | Achillion | What is this lives you speak of? |
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19:47.58 | carols | well, to some of us it's more important than to others :-) |
19:48.06 | carols | but we all have to accommodate each other :-) |
19:48.57 | Ivanovic | Achillion: that is what you might do to be able to order pizza in the evening and actually pay for it |
19:49.48 | Achillion | Hm, rings a bell |
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19:52.14 | cpolymeris | why is the 2013 banner almost the same as the 2012 one, but with balloons? |
19:52.25 | cpolymeris | i read the faq, btw, no answer there |
19:52.31 | Achillion | lol |
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19:53.24 | gevaerts | cpolymeris: *probably* because those in charge thought it something similar to the 2012 logo, but with balloons, would be nice |
19:53.40 | gevaerts | s/it// |
19:55.06 | lionaneesh | Do mentors get stickers? :P |
19:55.28 | lionaneesh | They do get tees, but IDK about stickers! |
19:55.59 | RottinRob_ | I am rather unsure of how to procede |
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19:56.30 | vullnet | hello all |
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19:56.32 | RottinRob_ | I am taking the summer off from studies and just want to code for a few months, which this sounds great |
19:56.33 | lionaneesh | RottinRob_: Procede with? |
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19:57.02 | vullnet | So guys and gals... |
19:57.05 | RottinRob_ | I however do not know exactly at what level I should be aiming at |
19:57.18 | vullnet | I can check out the projects right? |
19:57.27 | vullnet | and then select some that I like |
19:57.50 | RottinRob_ | I have been studying different languages for about 12 years now, and been in college for about 18 months |
19:58.01 | dhaun | vullnet: exactly |
19:58.24 | vullnet | do i have a limit? or can I apply for as many projects as I please? |
19:58.29 | lionaneesh | vullnet: Or you could propose some! |
19:58.45 | RottinRob_ | I have not actually put any code to proper production, that is why I want to code this summer...get actual real world experience |
19:58.49 | dhaun | vullnet: 5 proposals total, see the FAQ |
19:59.21 | RottinRob_ | would anyone have any suggestions? |
19:59.32 | dhaun | vullnet: with the usual disclaimer that it's better to go for quality than quantitiy |
20:01.22 | dhaun | RottinRob_: that should qualify as "good enough", so pick something that interests you |
20:01.48 | dhaun | for example, which open source software are you already using that's participating in GSoC? try one of those |
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20:02.40 | RottinRob_ | I have an incredible love for music and have looked at some of those |
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20:03.39 | RottinRob_ | I just would hate to not be able to deliver on what I signed on for, if that makes sense |
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20:05.07 | dhaun | that's why you discuss things with the mentoring org, to get a better idea what you're getting yourself into |
20:05.34 | dhaun | also, the mentors are there to help you and if necessary, project goals can also be adjusted |
20:06.17 | RottinRob_ | that was another question I had...what level of support do the mentors provide |
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20:07.47 | dhaun | RottinRob_: you're expected to do the actual programming, of course, but if you're stuck, the mentors are there to discuss solutions |
20:08.00 | RottinRob_ | its good to know they'll be there if you need them |
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20:09.09 | RottinRob_ | but ultimately that's what I want, I want to know at the end of it all, I can produce functionable code |
20:09.45 | RottinRob_ | thank you for your help dhaun |
20:09.48 | ChrisOelmueller | the organization you're applying to may want to know that a bit earlier :) |
20:11.02 | RottinRob_ | honestly, I've never put my skills to work outside the classroom...sad, but true |
20:11.54 | ChrisOelmueller | you have lots of time left to start hacking stuff you're interested in for this gsoc |
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20:12.44 | ChrisOelmueller | many organizations will have small "starter" tasks prepared, just ask them if you can't spot lists like that |
20:13.10 | RottinRob_ | nice tip, thank you! |
20:15.00 | RottinRob_ | I have wanted to code for over 20 years, so 2yrs ago I started school for my BS SE...its about time to start putting some of this to use |
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20:20.59 | tierra | ojwb: yeah, no GSoC for wx this year again :( |
20:21.21 | ojwb | tierra: aww |
20:21.41 | tierra | ironically though, I am registered as a possible mentor for WordPress this year though |
20:21.54 | ojwb | tierra: ah well, perhaps you guys can focus on a 3.0 release instead (nudge nudge) |
20:22.17 | tierra | hehe, indeed |
20:22.39 | tierra | it's so close |
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20:23.20 | tierra | Apple really threw a wrench into everything for us |
20:23.52 | tierra | but we're just about caught back up now |
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20:28.45 | kblin | sometimes I wonder how many silly mails carol doesn't have to deal with because they're send to carlos@google.com |
20:29.18 | gevaerts | Just think of poor carlos, who doesn't even know what all those emails he gels are about! |
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20:37.39 | white | gevaerts, he must have figured it out by now ;) |
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20:40.40 | gevaerts | I hope so :) |
20:40.41 | kkthecoder | during the student application submission.. how can i know that how much application have been submitted to a particular organization..? |
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20:41.27 | ojwb | kkthecoder: you don't |
20:41.32 | gevaerts | kkthecoder: you can ask the organisation, but they don't have to tell you |
20:42.00 | MatthewWilkes | See also: |
20:42.04 | MatthewWilkes | !chances | kkthecoder |
20:42.05 | gsocbot | kkthecoder: "chances" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
20:42.09 | ojwb | TBH, the number isn't all that important - you really want to know how many are comparable or better than yours |
20:42.36 | kkthecoder | yeah.. |
20:42.53 | ojwb | and the org also can't tell you how many slots they'll have as they're allocated later |
20:43.26 | kkthecoder | ojwb:okk |
20:43.36 | white | well every org has a minimum of 2 slots |
20:43.43 | sumanah | really? 2? |
20:43.51 | ojwb | also, there's a last minute surge in applications for most orgs, but it's not even |
20:43.55 | white | its there in the faqs |
20:44.05 | ojwb | well, they may not want 2 |
20:44.29 | sumanah | aayush251: hey there |
20:44.31 | white | ^thats upto the org but they are usually assigned a minimum of two |
20:44.32 | ojwb | if they only have one good application for example |
20:44.42 | sumanah | aayush251: you might want to check out http://open-advice.org/ and http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
20:44.45 | aayush251 | yeah |
20:44.47 | aayush251 | saw the link |
20:44.51 | ChrisOelmueller | "they are usually assigned a minimum of two" does not mean "the minimum is 2" |
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20:45.05 | aayush251 | Thanks sumanah |
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20:45.08 | sumanah | other aspiring students might like the advice at https://blogs.fsfe.org/myriam/2013/04/15/so-you-want-to-be-a-summer-of-code-student/ |
20:45.20 | white | ChrisOelmueller, exactly .... the orgs can opt for 1 if they want to |
20:46.43 | ChrisOelmueller | they can also opt for 300 if they want to |
20:46.57 | ChrisOelmueller | speculation about amount of slots is exactly that |
20:47.40 | kkthecoder | how can i know that which organization has how many number of slots..? |
20:48.03 | white | you dont |
20:48.06 | sumanah | kkthecoder: each organization finds out on May 8th |
20:48.12 | sumanah | https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 - check out the timeline. |
20:49.23 | kkthecoder | sumanah.. : okk.. thanks.. |
20:50.27 | sumanah | GSoC aspirants who want to learn some basic git, svn, and other skills: check out these tutorials http://openhatch.org/missions/ |
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20:54.31 | tomprince | That number also depends on how many they ask for, which in turn depends on how many strong applications they have received, and what kind of mentoring resources they have. |
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21:12.03 | kblin | hey carols |
21:12.08 | carols | hi kblin |
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21:15.19 | sumanah | a sample application template for people who haven't gotten that far yet: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Application_template |
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21:17.12 | Hiperzone | ha nice |
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21:24.33 | hiddenpearls | is there any research organisation ? |
21:24.45 | hiddenpearls | participating in GSOC |
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21:25.22 | hiddenpearls | I have to do my Thesis |
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21:26.25 | tomprince | hiddenpearls: Does it involve some open source project? |
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21:27.48 | hiddenpearls | tomprince, Yes It can be .. University agree to do an Open Source work |
21:28.17 | tomprince | I meant an existing open source project. |
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21:28.35 | ojwb | you can apply through the 'google ospo' org for research based projects |
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21:28.52 | ojwb | though it's not an easy route - they typically take 1 or 2 students a year that way |
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21:29.15 | ojwb | you also need to have an academic mentor for the project already |
21:29.42 | hiddenpearls | Yes, I need an academic mentor too |
21:30.04 | tomprince | Do you have an existing project? |
21:30.22 | hiddenpearls | No, I don't have it |
21:30.35 | hiddenpearls | existing project, what does it mean ? |
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21:36.28 | cameron_ | hi |
21:36.35 | carols | hi cameron_ |
21:36.51 | cameron_ | i am a student, looking into gsoc, and it's really interesting |
21:37.01 | carols | cool! |
21:37.04 | carols | glad you're interested |
21:37.11 | cameron_ | really want to use this chance to be part of the open-source stuff |
21:37.23 | cameron_ | are u from google or a mentor? |
21:37.28 | carols | i'm from google. |
21:37.46 | cameron_ | nice, do u write any opensource stuff? |
21:37.56 | carols | nope |
21:37.58 | carols | none at all. |
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21:38.47 | cameron_ | anyone looking into shogun? |
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21:39.21 | OsakaFoo | carols gives biscuits, useful advice and makes GSOC work :) |
21:39.33 | carols | that's a nice description, thanks OsakaFoo :-) |
21:40.44 | white | aptly called the "bringer of tea and cookies" ;) |
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21:42.42 | carols | is that what i'm named, white? |
21:43.06 | white | its what you were called around the first time i joinced this channel |
21:43.20 | gevaerts | carols: better than carlos :) |
21:43.24 | white | by one one of the regular lurkers like me |
21:43.29 | carols | haha :-) |
21:43.33 | carols | fair enough |
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21:46.26 | thiago | carols is great |
21:46.33 | thiago | are you coming to the LF Collab Summit? |
21:46.37 | carols | thanks very much, thiago |
21:46.51 | carols | i haven't been invited…when and where is it? |
21:47.06 | thiago | today, tomorrow and wednesday, downtown SF |
21:47.14 | thiago | Parc 55 Wyndham Hotel |
21:47.21 | carols | ah, no, i won't be there. but it sounds very nice. |
21:47.26 | thiago | invitations are free. You just have to ask for it. |
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21:48.33 | carols | i've got a lot of stuff going on this week, including running gsoc :-) |
21:48.38 | carols | and there's an irc meeting on friday... |
21:48.44 | carols | and other stuff. |
21:48.45 | carols | it's prime time for me |
21:48.45 | thiago | right |
21:48.53 | carols | no time for conferences, unfortunately. |
21:48.59 | thiago | community leadership summit in July, maybe? |
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21:49.12 | carols | sure, the one before oscon? |
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21:53.45 | thiago | carols: yes |
21:53.52 | carols | yeah, we go every year :-) |
21:54.00 | carols | i'll be there for sure |
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22:09.21 | tierra | ojwb: I was a little more pumped for wx GSoC this year too, I even put together a new site for it: http://www.wxwidgets.org/gsoc/ |
22:09.28 | tierra | no more confusing wiki landing pages |
22:10.16 | scorche|sh | that looks nice! |
22:11.40 | OsakaFoo | tierra: I like your background project listing, it's a nice touch :) |
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22:29.20 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
22:31.38 | white | thanks carols for tea |
22:31.44 | carols | yw white |
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