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05:29.19mithroany students alive here?
05:29.24smilesIncyes
05:29.46meflinnot a student and dead
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05:30.21mithroany python coders want a meaty but cool GSoC project? :P
05:30.48meflinI expect python.org has many of those
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05:34.28meflinmithro: what is your point?
05:35.00mithromeflin, I'm recruiting
05:35.05ojwbmeflin: i think he's wanting to pimp his org
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05:35.34ojwbwhich probably is a bad idea - imagine 177 orgs all trying recruit students here
05:36.02meflinimagine if if that pissed on 7 or more orgs
05:36.09whitei don't know ... better than 4000 odd students doing the same ;)
05:36.30meflinstudents are at least students
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05:37.39ojwbwhy would students be trying to recruit students?
05:37.53mithroIf every org got 5 minutes, they could announce and discuss every 14 hours - or about twice a day
05:38.26meflinmithro: so lets get down to basics .. what are you trying to do
05:39.54meflinand what is your org
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05:41.56mithromeflin, nobody seemed particularly interested so no real point in going any further?
05:42.08meflinyou are very very wrong
05:42.45meflingot example I could know a potential student that could be intersted in your org/project
05:44.31mithromeflin, TimVideos.org - we are trying to make video streaming from conferences easy. One of our "hot" projects is to port flumotion from gstreamer 0.10 to gstreamer 1.0 - flumotion is written in Python with twisted. - We also have a bunch of hardware projects for those interested in VHDL/Verilog and PCB creation
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05:46.24meflinideas page?
05:50.12mithromeflin, so if you know someone who might be interested send them to #timvideo - Overview -> http://code.timvideos.us/Home.html || GSoC Ideas Page -> http://code.timvideos.us/Ideas.html || Flumotion porting project -> https://github.com/timvideos/getting-started/issues/9
05:50.53meflinand your gsoc page?
05:51.00meflinI know a person
05:51.18meflinvid is not me my thing but its is his
05:51.49mithrohttp://code.timvideos.us/Summer-Of-Code.html <- Summer of Code page with how to write an application
05:51.52meflinif you a sub-org point me at the main
05:52.35mithrooh you mean the gsoc page - http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2013/timvideos
05:53.15meflinwell a sub org is under a different accepted org
05:54.05meflinthis is not BTW the way the place to fish for students
05:54.23mithroWe are always happy to chat/discuss with anyone who is interested
05:54.32meflinwe are not
05:55.00meflinI will poke the interested person in your direction
05:55.05meflinbut this # isn't the place
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05:58.57mithroI won't poke again
05:59.35meflinget your crew out and about ...
05:59.56meflinthing about what happens here if 177 orgs do what you did
06:00.47meflingood students are hard to find hunt them down and keep them in your org
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06:09.21kblinthe nice part is that IRC is non-blocking, so you're not limited to one org at a time :)
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06:28.11edsiperany student around with c++ skills ?
06:28.23aciidyes
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10:41.40sunu!next
10:41.42gsocbotsunu: "next" is April 22 19:00 UTC: Student application period opens.
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13:16.50gevaertskktherock: there seem to be lots of ways to contact them on their melange profile
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14:35.48AchillionHave some IT security humor to break the silence: http://fishbowl.pastiche.org/2013/04/14/it_security_in_a_nutshell/
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14:38.37Arthur_MThat's sad
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16:31.29Lenniegevaerts, lame :(
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16:31.44LennieI didn't say I was hitting you with the cluebat :)
16:31.56gevaertsMaybe it thought you did :)
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17:09.27guido__Guys, do you happen to know any systems design, computer architecture, operating systems (or similar area) related projects?
17:09.41carolsguido__: have you already searched the tags of the accepted organizations?
17:10.17guido__I'm doing that now! I found a few already
17:10.26carolsgreat!
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17:11.50darnirguido__: Take a look at timvideo. Not exactly everything you asked for, but quite close.
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17:20.24gwtyHello, Is there any limit on proposal length?
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17:20.53carolsgwty: i don't believe so
17:21.06carolsonly whatever melange's tinymce editor has, which i believe is pretty long
17:21.17carolsif you're worried about it you might want to ask in #melange
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17:24.34gwtycarols: Thank you
17:24.38carolsyw
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17:31.39carolsserves some coffee and tea
17:33.23paultagsnags a cup
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17:37.37whitethanks carols for tea
17:37.46carolsyw :-)
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17:43.49Uli-good evening
17:43.57carolsgood evening Uli-
17:44.07Uli-hey carols
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17:50.48tierramy org admin mentioned that there was supposed to have been an IRC meeting last Saturday here at 1600UTC, but couldn't make it, so I was sitting in, but I didn't see any meeting
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17:50.58carolsno meeting.
17:51.04tierrawas that rescheduled?
17:51.09carolsthat person may have meant the one that's this coming friday?
17:51.14carolsno, nothing was rescheduled.
17:51.16tierrahmm
17:51.24carolsit's always been for this friday. assuming, of course, it's the same meeting.
17:53.06tierrawell, we just were curious if we could find any additional info on what we might have done with our org app, as to why it didn't make the cut again this year (we weren't surprised with being cut last year with new orgs coming in, but it was odd getting cut 2 years in a row)
17:53.24tierrawould that be something discussed on Friday?
17:53.44carolsyep, that's the rejected orgs feedback meeting.
17:53.51tierraah, ok, thanks
17:54.22carolsit's on the the gsoc calendar and it's time and date were listed in the email you got informing you that you'd been rejected.
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17:56.38gevaertsI'm surprised by how many people thought it was last Friday, actually
17:57.11carolsi guess maybe because in years past it's been on the friday after the announcement?
17:57.27gevaertsProbably
17:57.41tierrayeah, I was specifically told it was on the 13th..
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17:58.07tierramaybe something somewhere had old dates on it
17:58.26carolsmaybe.
17:58.27carolsoh well.
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18:01.35gevaertsYes, it's probably the least annoying date to get wrong in all of gsoc
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18:01.59sbcd90hello
18:02.23carolshello sbcd90
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18:17.16nehaljwaniHey admins, I need a little help. I had created my account on GSoC site last year. Since then, my communication address, blog-url, contact number, etc have changed. How can I update them?
18:17.28carolsnehaljwani: try #melange
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18:28.56kblinevening folks
18:29.02kblin!next
18:29.03gsocbotkblin: "next" is April 22 19:00 UTC: Student application period opens.
18:29.28lionaneesh!logs
18:29.29gsocbotlionaneesh: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/
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18:31.16kblinlearn next as April 19th 18:00 UTC: Rejected org feedback meeting
18:31.19kblin!learn next as April 19th 18:00 UTC: Rejected org feedback meeting
18:31.19gsocbotkblin: "next" is (#1) April 22 19:00 UTC: Student application period opens., or (#2) April 19th 18:00 UTC: Rejected org feedback meeting
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18:37.08lionaneesh!next
18:37.10gsocbotlionaneesh: "next" is (#1) April 22 19:00 UTC: Student application period opens., or (#2) April 19th 18:00 UTC: Rejected org feedback meeting
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18:44.02ojwbtierra: wxwidgets didn't get in?
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18:50.10pavloAnyone from the Open Source Robotics Foundation in the channel?
18:51.08ojwb!anyone | pavlo
18:51.09gsocbotpavlo: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here>
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18:53.20ojwbgsocbot: learn anyone as Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization directly. You can find an org's contact information via the org list at http://goo.gl/yxeB0
18:53.21gsocbotojwb: "anyone" is (#1) Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here>, or (#2) Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization (1 more message)
18:53.32ojwbgsocbot: forget anyone #1
18:53.33gsocbotojwb: Error: There is no such factoid.
18:53.37ojwbgsocbot: forget anyone 1
18:53.38gsocbotojwb: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization directly. You can find an org's contact information via the org list at http://goo.gl/yxeB0
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19:35.09erfaisal54hi..
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19:35.16carolshi erfaisal54
19:35.18erfaisal54i am new to gsoc..
19:35.44carolscool! we're glad you're here.
19:36.34erfaisal54@carlos : are you  in organizing commitee of GSOC..?
19:36.48carolsdid you mean to message me?
19:36.58carolsif so, yes, i'm the program administrator.
19:37.00erfaisal54@carlos.. yes..
19:37.22carolsi'm carols
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19:37.35erfaisal54i want some suggestions. from you..
19:37.37carolsa subtle but important distinction.
19:37.41carolssure, how can i help?
19:37.53erfaisal54how to make an effective application template..?
19:38.04carolshave you read the student manual?
19:38.21carolsand talked to the orgs you're interested in working with about their proposal requirements?
19:39.07erfaisal54yeah.. i have started contacting organizations regarding my project proposals..
19:39.11carolsawesome!
19:39.27carolsthen they should be able to help you out in tandem with you doing some research from the student manual.
19:39.55erfaisal54can i submit more than 5 proposals ..?
19:39.59carolsnope.
19:40.02carols5's the max.
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19:40.18carolsand really, you wouldn't want to anyway. quality is better than quantity.
19:40.22erfaisal54for a specific organization.. ? or total..?
19:40.26carolstotal.
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19:40.47carolsi say submit 1 really awesome one, not 5 mediocre ones :-)
19:41.42dmpcarols: oh, last year limit was 20? It will clearly improve quality :)
19:41.52carolshopefully so, dmp :-)
19:41.56erfaisal54can i have your email id please..?
19:42.01carolsmine?
19:42.08erfaisal54so that i can contact you..
19:42.09carolssure, carols@google.com.
19:42.10erfaisal54yeah..
19:42.22carolsi'm happy to answer any questions you have here, though.
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19:42.31sunu:D
19:43.21erfaisal54thanks a lot.. carlos.. I am going through the interested organizations list and wouls get backj to you if there is any prob..
19:43.29carolssure, but it's carols.
19:43.31carolsnot carlos.
19:43.42erfaisal54ohh sorry..
19:43.44carolsas i said, a subtle but important distinction.
19:44.12erfaisal54i will remind it..
19:44.18carolsthanks
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19:45.13phenom_Hey @carols, I have a doubt. Is it common for an initial proposal to not receive a response from the listed given by the mentor org?
19:45.22carolsphenom_: sure, of course.
19:45.27carolswe all have lives and jobs :-)
19:45.44Ivanovicphenom_: if the folks have an irc chan, try to talk to the mentors in there
19:45.53Ivanovicphenom_: not every project uses the mailing list actively
19:47.07phenom_Oh, I ask because it has been a few days. And I thought I made a very compelling case.
19:47.11phenom_Thanks, though.
19:47.21AchillionLives?
19:47.28AchillionWhat is this lives you speak of?
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19:47.58carolswell, to some of us it's more important than to others :-)
19:48.06carolsbut we all have to accommodate each other :-)
19:48.57IvanovicAchillion: that is what you might do to be able to order pizza in the evening and actually pay for it
19:49.48AchillionHm, rings a bell
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19:52.14cpolymeriswhy is the 2013 banner almost the same as the 2012 one, but with balloons?
19:52.25cpolymerisi read the faq, btw, no answer there
19:52.31Achillionlol
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19:53.24gevaertscpolymeris: *probably* because those in charge thought it something similar to the 2012 logo, but with balloons, would be nice
19:53.40gevaertss/it//
19:55.06lionaneeshDo mentors get stickers? :P
19:55.28lionaneeshThey do get tees, but IDK about stickers!
19:55.59RottinRob_I am rather unsure of how to procede
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19:56.30vullnethello all
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19:56.32RottinRob_I am taking the summer off from studies and just want to code for a few months, which this sounds great
19:56.33lionaneeshRottinRob_: Procede with?
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19:57.02vullnetSo guys and gals...
19:57.05RottinRob_I however do not know exactly at what level I should be aiming at
19:57.18vullnetI can check out the projects right?
19:57.27vullnetand then select some that I like
19:57.50RottinRob_I have been studying different languages for about 12 years now, and been in college for about 18 months
19:58.01dhaunvullnet: exactly
19:58.24vullnetdo i have a limit? or can I apply for as many projects as I please?
19:58.29lionaneeshvullnet: Or you could propose some!
19:58.45RottinRob_I have not actually put any code to proper production, that is why I want to code this summer...get actual real world experience
19:58.49dhaunvullnet: 5 proposals total, see the FAQ
19:59.21RottinRob_would anyone have any suggestions?
19:59.32dhaunvullnet:  with the usual disclaimer that it's better to go for quality than quantitiy
20:01.22dhaunRottinRob_: that should qualify as "good enough", so pick something that interests you
20:01.48dhaunfor example, which open source software are you already using that's participating in GSoC? try one of those
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20:02.40RottinRob_I have an incredible love for music and have looked at some of those
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20:03.39RottinRob_I just would hate to not be able to deliver on what I signed on for, if that makes sense
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20:05.07dhaunthat's why you discuss things with the mentoring org, to get a better idea what you're getting yourself into
20:05.34dhaunalso, the mentors are there to help you and if necessary, project goals can also be adjusted
20:06.17RottinRob_that was another question I had...what level of support do the mentors provide
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20:07.47dhaunRottinRob_: you're expected to do the actual programming, of course, but if you're stuck, the mentors are there to discuss solutions
20:08.00RottinRob_its good to know they'll be there if you need them
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20:09.09RottinRob_but ultimately that's what I want, I want to know at the end of it all, I can produce functionable code
20:09.45RottinRob_thank you for your help dhaun
20:09.48ChrisOelmuellerthe organization you're applying to may want to know that a bit earlier :)
20:11.02RottinRob_honestly, I've never put my skills to work outside the classroom...sad, but true
20:11.54ChrisOelmuelleryou have lots of time left to start hacking stuff you're interested in for this gsoc
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20:12.44ChrisOelmuellermany organizations will have small "starter" tasks prepared, just ask them if you can't spot lists like that
20:13.10RottinRob_nice tip, thank you!
20:15.00RottinRob_I have wanted to code for over 20 years, so 2yrs ago I started school for my BS SE...its about time to start putting some of this to use
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20:20.59tierraojwb: yeah, no GSoC for wx this year again :(
20:21.21ojwbtierra: aww
20:21.41tierraironically though, I am registered as a possible mentor for WordPress this year though
20:21.54ojwbtierra: ah well, perhaps you guys can focus on a 3.0 release instead (nudge nudge)
20:22.17tierrahehe, indeed
20:22.39tierrait's so close
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20:23.20tierraApple really threw a wrench into everything for us
20:23.52tierrabut we're just about caught back up now
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20:28.45kblinsometimes I wonder how many silly mails carol doesn't have to deal with because they're send to carlos@google.com
20:29.18gevaertsJust think of poor carlos, who doesn't even know what all those emails he gels are about!
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20:37.39whitegevaerts, he must have figured it out by now ;)
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20:40.40gevaertsI hope so :)
20:40.41kkthecoderduring the student application submission.. how can i know that how much application have been submitted to a particular organization..?
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20:41.27ojwbkkthecoder: you don't
20:41.32gevaertskkthecoder: you can ask the organisation, but they don't have to tell you
20:42.00MatthewWilkesSee also:
20:42.04MatthewWilkes!chances | kkthecoder
20:42.05gsocbotkkthecoder: "chances" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead.
20:42.09ojwbTBH, the number isn't all that important - you really want to know how many are comparable or better than yours
20:42.36kkthecoderyeah..
20:42.53ojwband the org also can't tell you how many slots they'll have as they're allocated later
20:43.26kkthecoderojwb:okk
20:43.36whitewell every org has a minimum of 2 slots
20:43.43sumanahreally? 2?
20:43.51ojwbalso, there's a last minute surge in applications for most orgs, but it's not even
20:43.55whiteits there in the faqs
20:44.05ojwbwell, they may not want 2
20:44.29sumanahaayush251: hey there
20:44.31white^thats upto the org but they are usually assigned a minimum of two
20:44.32ojwbif they only have one good application for example
20:44.42sumanahaayush251: you might want to check out http://open-advice.org/ and http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/
20:44.45aayush251yeah
20:44.47aayush251saw the link
20:44.51ChrisOelmueller"they are usually assigned a minimum of two" does not mean "the minimum is 2"
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20:45.05aayush251Thanks sumanah
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20:45.08sumanahother aspiring students might like the advice at https://blogs.fsfe.org/myriam/2013/04/15/so-you-want-to-be-a-summer-of-code-student/
20:45.20whiteChrisOelmueller, exactly .... the orgs can opt for 1 if they want to
20:46.43ChrisOelmuellerthey can also opt for 300 if they want to
20:46.57ChrisOelmuellerspeculation about amount of slots is exactly that
20:47.40kkthecoderhow can i know that which organization has how many number of slots..?
20:48.03whiteyou dont
20:48.06sumanahkkthecoder: each organization finds out on May 8th
20:48.12sumanahhttps://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 - check out the timeline.
20:49.23kkthecodersumanah.. : okk.. thanks..
20:50.27sumanahGSoC aspirants who want to learn some basic git, svn, and other skills: check out these tutorials http://openhatch.org/missions/
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20:54.31tomprinceThat number also depends on how many they ask for, which in turn depends on how many strong applications they have received, and what kind of mentoring resources they have.
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21:12.03kblinhey carols
21:12.08carolshi kblin
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21:15.19sumanaha sample application template for people who haven't gotten that far yet: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Application_template
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21:17.12Hiperzoneha nice
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21:24.33hiddenpearlsis there any research organisation ?
21:24.45hiddenpearlsparticipating in GSOC
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21:25.22hiddenpearlsI have to do my Thesis
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21:26.25tomprincehiddenpearls: Does it involve some open source project?
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21:27.48hiddenpearlstomprince, Yes It can be .. University agree to do an Open Source work
21:28.17tomprinceI meant an existing open source project.
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21:28.35ojwbyou can apply through the 'google ospo' org for research based projects
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21:28.52ojwbthough it's not an easy route - they typically take 1 or 2 students a year that way
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21:29.15ojwbyou also need to have an academic mentor for the project already
21:29.42hiddenpearlsYes, I need an academic mentor too
21:30.04tomprinceDo you have an existing project?
21:30.22hiddenpearlsNo, I don't have it
21:30.35hiddenpearlsexisting project, what does it mean  ?
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21:36.28cameron_hi
21:36.35carolshi cameron_
21:36.51cameron_i am a student, looking into gsoc, and it's really interesting
21:37.01carolscool!
21:37.04carolsglad you're interested
21:37.11cameron_really want to use this chance to be part of the open-source stuff
21:37.23cameron_are u from google or a mentor?
21:37.28carolsi'm from google.
21:37.46cameron_nice, do u write any opensource stuff?
21:37.56carolsnope
21:37.58carolsnone at all.
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21:39.21OsakaFoocarols gives biscuits, useful advice and makes GSOC work :)
21:39.33carolsthat's a nice description, thanks OsakaFoo :-)
21:40.44whiteaptly called the "bringer of tea and cookies" ;)
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21:42.42carolsis that what i'm named, white?
21:43.06whiteits what you were called around the first time i joinced this channel
21:43.20gevaertscarols: better than carlos :)
21:43.24whiteby one one of the regular lurkers like me
21:43.29carolshaha :-)
21:43.33carolsfair enough
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21:46.26thiagocarols is great
21:46.33thiagoare you coming to the LF Collab Summit?
21:46.37carolsthanks very much, thiago
21:46.51carolsi haven't been invited…when and where is it?
21:47.06thiagotoday, tomorrow and wednesday, downtown SF
21:47.14thiagoParc 55 Wyndham Hotel
21:47.21carolsah, no, i won't be there. but it sounds very nice.
21:47.26thiagoinvitations are free. You just have to ask for it.
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21:48.33carolsi've got a lot of stuff going on this week, including running gsoc :-)
21:48.38carolsand there's an irc meeting on friday...
21:48.44carolsand other stuff.
21:48.45carolsit's prime time for me
21:48.45thiagoright
21:48.53carolsno time for conferences, unfortunately.
21:48.59thiagocommunity leadership summit in July, maybe?
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21:49.12carolssure, the one before oscon?
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21:53.45thiagocarols: yes
21:53.52carolsyeah, we go every year :-)
21:54.00carolsi'll be there for sure
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22:09.21tierraojwb: I was a little more pumped for wx GSoC this year too, I even put together a new site for it: http://www.wxwidgets.org/gsoc/
22:09.28tierrano more confusing wiki landing pages
22:10.16scorche|shthat looks nice!
22:11.40OsakaFootierra: I like your background project listing, it's a nice touch :)
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22:29.20carolsserves some tea and coffee
22:31.38whitethanks carols for tea
22:31.44carolsyw white
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