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| 00:48.30 | dogui | Question! How are application submitted? I was about to start writing it in Latex but I'm not sure if I can send a pdf... |
| 00:50.02 | ojwb | dogui: via melange, which accepts HTML, but tends to mangle it |
| 00:51.08 | ojwb | it uses tinymce (unless things have changed) |
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| 00:53.19 | dogui | Oh ok. I'm better off writing it in plain text for now, right? |
| 00:53.54 | ojwb | based on past experience, I would probably suggest you avoid elaborate formatting |
| 00:54.53 | dogui | Sure, makes sense |
| 00:54.54 | dogui | thanks! |
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| 00:58.02 | ojwb | dogui: looks like the mangling is supposed to be fixed: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=306 |
| 00:58.18 | ojwb | hmm though that was closed in 2010 |
| 01:01.26 | huangshu | Hi, i was wondering if the "proposal" mentioned in the FAQ is the same as the application on each orgs page |
| 01:01.33 | huangshu | ie. you are allowed 5 applications |
| 01:02.12 | ojwb | yes |
| 01:02.26 | ojwb | huangshu: but 5 is probably too many |
| 01:02.43 | ojwb | writing 5 good proposals is a lot of work |
| 01:03.05 | huangshu | Will only 1 be accepted in the end? or will it be your pick of the accepted proposals |
| 01:03.23 | ojwb | at most one will be |
| 01:03.42 | huangshu | got it thanks. |
| 01:03.51 | ojwb | you may get a choice, but it's assumed you only apply for projects you want to do so would be happy to do any |
| 01:05.03 | huangshu | Is it possible that some orgs don't fill there slots and students end up working with them anyways? Or is it the case that if none of your proposals are accepted then thats it |
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| 01:14.23 | ojwb | huangshu: if an org can't fill a slot (e.g. a student is accepted by two orgs and the other org gets them) then the slot is returned and redistributed |
| 01:14.41 | huangshu | great, thanks for the answers! |
| 01:15.00 | ojwb | many of the orgs will be happy for you to do projects with them outside of gsoc |
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| 02:20.51 | tyler342424 | hey I have an idea for an open source project I've been working on it some but have been busy with the school work since it's the end of the semester is this the right place to be? |
| 02:22.35 | tyler342424 | my idea is basically an open source poker client that uses bitcoin and there's no trusted third party that collects a percentage of each hand like on normal poker sites |
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| 02:25.35 | ojwb | tyler342424: your project needs to fit with one of the mentoring organisations taking part |
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| 02:25.47 | ojwb | I doubt any would be interested in something like that |
| 02:26.15 | ojwb | generally you'll be working on that organisations code |
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| 02:29.05 | tyler342424 | so this summer google thing is about working on open source projects that already exist? and google will pay me? |
| 02:29.54 | ojwb | yes |
| 02:30.15 | tyler342424 | so I still apply for project or is it too late for a student to participate? |
| 02:31.23 | ojwb | student applications open in just under a week |
| 02:32.24 | tyler342424 | oh cool thanks and will it all be done from whereever you are in the summer or do you get the oppurtunity to travel somewhere? and do you know how much people get paid on average? |
| 02:32.37 | ojwb | !faq | tyler342424 |
| 02:32.37 | gsocbot | tyler342424: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page |
| 02:32.40 | ojwb | it's all in there |
| 02:33.29 | tyler342424 | thanks |
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| 03:49.59 | RottinRob | evening y'all |
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| 04:31.38 | kkthecoder | is mailing list different from individual mail..? |
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| 04:40.43 | ojwb | kkthecoder: is talking to one person different to talking to a group of people? |
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| 05:11.51 | kkthecoder | in group we will be talking many person's.. |
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| 08:01.29 | gsocbot | harshadura: "next" is (#1) April 22 19:00 UTC: Student application period opens., or (#2) April 19th 18:00 UTC: Rejected org feedback meeting |
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| 08:39.28 | Larz | Hey, i have a quick question. What is the rough experience level needed to complete GSOC, I am a second year uni student, and the program looks awesome. But i dont really know if im qualified for it. |
| 08:41.07 | ansgar | Larz: I think that depends very much on what project you would like to do. |
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| 08:43.44 | Larz | I'm happy to do any project really. I'm really looking forward to working on a actual project at a professional level. But I dont know if they would all be beyond my skill level |
| 08:44.10 | Aayush251 | Larz : Also matters is that even if you dont know the language you are craze enough to learn it in short time :) |
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| 08:44.19 | kai | ack |
| 08:44.54 | DrinkMachine | syn 415325412 |
| 08:45.23 | Larz | If it helps I'm mainly good at C/C++ but i have a basic understanding of HTML/CSS, JavaScript, SQL, VB.NET |
| 08:45.37 | ungureanuvladvic | routes all the packets! |
| 08:45.45 | |Kev| | !goodenough | larz |
| 08:45.46 | gsocbot | larz: "goodenough" is Am I good enough to be a student for GSoC? http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/am-i-good-enough/ |
| 08:45.53 | DrinkMachine | Larz: make a reasonable proposal! |
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| 08:46.44 | kai | sighs |
| 08:47.04 | kai | somehow this year accepting mentors is much harder than it was last year |
| 08:47.28 | kkthecoder | can someone gime me the link to the student mannual of GSOC 2013 ? |
| 08:47.49 | gevaerts | reminds Larz that C and C++ are *two* (or even five or more, if you count spec revisions) languages :) |
| 08:47.55 | gevaerts | !studentguide | kkthecoder |
| 08:47.56 | gsocbot | kkthecoder: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 08:48.19 | kkthecoder | thanks.. gsocbot.. |
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| 08:48.40 | Aayush251 | kai why? |
| 08:48.47 | |Kev| | kkthecoder: This is at the top of the GSoC FAQ. You will need to be able to perform basic Web searches yourself for GSoC! |
| 08:49.07 | ungureanuvladvic | says "all hail the bot!" |
| 08:49.22 | kai | Aayush251: because the "new connection for your org" doesn't give me any information about who's trying to connect |
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| 08:49.59 | Larz | Ahh i didn't see that guide, then my next question would be which of the organisations would be more likely to accept a "easier" project? |
| 08:50.19 | Aayush251 | Larz you need to research that yourself |
| 08:50.21 | |Kev| | Of that I have no idea. |
| 08:50.43 | |Kev| | Larz: But what 'easier' means is entirely dependent on your skills. |
| 08:51.15 | Aayush251 | Whats the point of doing something you already know |
| 08:51.23 | Larz | I have been researching quite a bit, but the information is very disjointed all over the web :P |
| 08:52.30 | DrinkMachine | Larz: some organizations have lists of "here's what we need" |
| 08:52.31 | Aayush251 | Larz was in same dilemma as you are |
| 08:52.38 | Aayush251 | I was* |
| 08:52.56 | Aayush251 | so I looked for a project I was interested in |
| 08:53.08 | Aayush251 | talked to mentor and cleared my doubts |
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| 08:53.21 | Aayush251 | now I'll apply for that project :) |
| 08:54.34 | Larz | Ahh ok cool, well i guess ill go and try and talk to the organizations i like |
| 08:54.58 | Aayush251 | Just a tip dont PM them 1st |
| 08:55.10 | Aayush251 | try to take part in forums discussion or irc |
| 08:57.01 | Larz | Will do |
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| 08:57.29 | Aayush251 | :) |
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| 15:16.04 | gevaerts | |Kev|: any recommendations for xmpp servers? |
| 15:16.15 | |Kev| | Free? http://prosody.im |
| 15:16.38 | |Kev| | (I work on a commercial one) |
| 15:16.44 | gevaerts | Thanks! |
| 15:17.05 | |Kev| | NP. |
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| 16:40.43 | TheNightOwl | '/help' |
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| 16:46.37 | carols | TheNightOwl: is there something we can help you with? |
| 16:46.43 | carols | or just trying to navigate IRC? |
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| 16:49.05 | TheNightOwl | I just wanted to know if i want to get in touch with my mentors for queries should I write them a private message or write it directly on their channel?Which will be the preferred mode? |
| 16:49.25 | |Kev| | Often it's considered rude to send PMs out of the blue. |
| 16:49.37 | carols | TheNightOwl: whichever preferred mode they list on their melange homepage and ideas page. |
| 16:49.49 | |Kev| | And open source projects are communities, so I'd always go for the public communication first, unless they've specified otherwise on their ideas page. |
| 16:50.18 | TheNightOwl | ok I will introduce myself first on the channel and state my query |
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| 16:50.28 | carols | cool :-) |
| 16:50.49 | TheNightOwl | Thanks |Kev| and carols :) |
| 16:50.53 | |Kev| | YW. |
| 16:50.53 | carols | yw :-) |
| 16:50.57 | edsiper | hi all |
| 16:51.10 | carols | hi edsiper |
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| 16:51.24 | edsiper | carols, how are u ? |
| 16:51.36 | carols | i'm good, thanks. how are you, edsiper? |
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| 16:52.31 | edsiper | carols, fine fine :) |
| 16:52.36 | carols | cool :-) |
| 16:52.55 | edsiper | in 5 days starts the crazy week |
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| 16:53.05 | edsiper | already have some crazy students mailing a lot |
| 16:53.26 | carols | well, they are enthusiastic :-) |
| 16:53.40 | edsiper | yeah, thats a good sign |
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| 16:59.32 | hiddenpearls | carols: Can you tell me some statistics about students participation in previous years ? |
| 16:59.51 | hiddenpearls | I need to know the stats specially for Pakistan. I'm doing an info session tomorrow |
| 17:00.05 | hiddenpearls | and preparing my presentation |
| 17:00.06 | carols | hiddenpearls: sure, they're all in our blog posts |
| 17:00.11 | carols | just google for it :-) |
| 17:00.23 | hiddenpearls | lol |
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| 17:07.57 | Uli- | good evening |
| 17:09.04 | carols | good evening Uli- |
| 17:09.14 | Uli- | hi carols |
| 17:09.17 | carols | :-) |
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| 18:15.56 | Crofton|work | duno |
| 18:16.04 | Crofton|work | but I already asked it not conflict :) |
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| 19:46.17 | Asix3 | How does slot allocation work for mentoring organizations? Are all organizations guaranteed at least one slot? |
| 19:47.33 | OsakaFoo | Asix3: each org gets a a number of slots which is decided by google |
| 19:48.36 | tomprince | I suspect every org is guaranteed a slot if they ask for one. |
| 19:50.21 | Asix3 | got it. Am I too late in the game to consider this? I've been perusing the list of organizations to see which one I could apply to, but have been out of town so I haven't contacted any... |
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| 19:51.08 | gevaerts | You should still have a fair chance |
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| 20:02.30 | anth_r | i suspect you'll be fine. we get applications every year we've participated from students we haven't heard of until the application period starts. |
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| 20:27.42 | Perdu | What should I say as a first contact with a potential mentor if I don't have questions ? For some projects I have tons of questions, but for some others, I'm interested in them, but simply don't have any question (that might mean they're not for me...?) |
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| 20:29.04 | anth_r | were i in that position, i'd briefly summarize what i planned to do and ask if i was missing anything, or if there were any gotchas i should be aware of. |
| 20:29.26 | anth_r | but then, i have questions about most everything, so who knows. |
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| 20:50.03 | brodie | is it possible to reclaim my old melange mentor account whose google account i've deleted? i still own the email address of the account, but it doesn't exist as a google account anymore |
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| 20:50.38 | meflin | have you tryed to log into melange? |
| 20:50.38 | dhaun | brodie: I guess you'd better ask that over in #melange |
| 20:50.56 | meflin | after that see dhaun's answer :) |
| 20:52.24 | brodie | meflin: i've logged in with a different google account, yeah. but i'll ask in there |
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| 21:02.53 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
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| 21:05.36 | haseeb | sorry carols , i can't take tea, timee to sleep :) |
| 21:06.12 | derdon | indeed. but some work left to be done :/ |
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| 22:01.57 | sumanah | any aspiring GSoC participants here have questions? I've been an org admin and a mentor |
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| 22:04.54 | censorydep | Not I, but I think it's awesome of you to offer! |
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| 22:14.38 | DeNiS_M | i have one |
| 22:15.08 | DeNiS_M | between a student that has experience in the software of the org (has used it written some patches) and a student that has not |
| 22:15.39 | DeNiS_M | the first one has more chances to get accepted or it depents solely on the proposal they will write? |
| 22:16.07 | ojwb | DeNiS_M: that's likely to make a big difference |
| 22:16.16 | anth_r | all other things being equal, i suspect most orgs will prefer a student with experience in the code base. |
| 22:16.44 | anth_r | the quality of the application is key, though. we've gotten crummy applications from students who've been quite familiar with our code base. ;-) |
| 22:17.20 | ojwb | i think that depends on what you mean by "crummy", at least for me |
| 22:17.42 | ojwb | i'd rather see what the student can actually do than see how well they can write about what they're promising they can do |
| 22:17.45 | sumanah | DeNiS_M: yes, the first has a higher chance of being accepted. But that's if "all else is equal" |
| 22:18.31 | sumanah | ojwb: I think "well-thought-out" is more important than "well-written" -- I'm not looking for Ta-Nehisi Coates's diction :-) |
| 22:18.38 | DeNiS_M | ojwb, anth_r, sumanah thank you for your answers |
| 22:18.54 | ojwb | sumanah: i'd agree with that |
| 22:18.59 | kblin | unless of course the orgs decides to rather go for new contributors :) |
| 22:19.16 | sumanah | DeNiS_M: the important implication, I think, is that it's good for a student to use the software, look at its architecture, and try to fix a trivial bug or two |
| 22:19.24 | ojwb | though if you've not looked into the code, it's hard to write a well thought out proposal |
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| 22:20.15 | sumanah | DeNiS_M: which mentoring organizations are you most interested in? |
| 22:20.19 | ojwb | kblin: there's a difference between an existing long-term contributor and someone who's looked at the code and submitted a patch or two |
| 22:20.23 | sumanah | censorydep: *curtsy* |
| 22:20.58 | kblin | ojwb: true |
| 22:21.20 | kblin | ojwb: also for my orgs, getting accepted means the student will have written a patch or two |
| 22:21.31 | sumanah | DeNiS_M: doing that kind of investigative work helps you write a better proposal, also |
| 22:21.57 | sumanah | because it gives you more experience in judging between the realm of the possible and the land of the impossible |
| 22:22.19 | sumanah | and because it helps you gain data that you can use to estimate what is possible within the 12-week work period |
| 22:22.59 | censorydep | sumanah, I just love seeing people feeding back into communities. It makes the little community manager in me smile. :-) |
| 22:23.05 | sumanah | :D |
| 22:23.43 | anth_r | +1 ☺ |
| 22:23.54 | sumanah | by the way, DeNiS_M, if you'd like to see an example of a proposal that was accepted, you can read https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Jarry1250/GSoC_2012_application |
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| 22:24.12 | anth_r | gotta run - dinner's waiting. good luck DeNiS_M & al. |
| 22:24.18 | sumanah | bye anth_r! |
| 22:24.19 | DeNiS_M | ty |
| 22:24.58 | kblin | though getting into gsoc likely doesn't have much to do with luck |
| 22:26.10 | sumanah | at the very final stage, no. Earlier in life, absolutely |
| 22:26.55 | sumanah | but in any case, "I hope nothing catastrophic happens to derail your ambitions" is a reasonable sentiment :) |
| 22:27.19 | kblin | I'll agree with that one |
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| 22:32.18 | kblin | carols: evening :) |
| 22:32.28 | carols | evening kblin :-) |
| 22:33.05 | kblin | carols: I'm not sure if I can make the feedback meeting, but every op in here should be able to run the queueing logic now |
| 22:33.22 | carols | great, thanks for letting me know, kblin. |
| 22:33.32 | kblin | I'll add a manual to the github page of gsocbot and let you know |
| 22:33.38 | carols | that would be great. |
| 22:33.41 | carols | thanks again. |
| 22:33.53 | kblin | no problem |
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| 22:35.49 | kblin | carols: whatever we can do to increase your efficiency is time well spent. there only one carols any many of us :) |
| 22:36.05 | carols | i very much appreciate it :-0 |
| 22:36.07 | carols | :-) |
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| 22:40.53 | dfighter | kblin should assimilate carols then |
| 22:41.03 | dfighter | that brings about max. efficiency :P |
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| 22:41.37 | gastaldi | hello everyone ! |
| 22:42.06 | gastaldi | Anyone interested in working on a JBoss Forge idea ? |
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| 22:48.49 | carols | gastaldi: i think you probably want the jboss channel, yes? |
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| 22:55.16 | gastaldi | carols, not really, I am looking for students willing to work on the JBoss Community GSoC ideas for JBoss Forge |
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| 22:55.41 | carols | gastaldi: still appropriate for the jboss channel and not gsoc generally :-) |
| 22:55.50 | gastaldi | ah ok then. Sorry :) |
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