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| 00:19.21 | flix | Hello! I want to apply for SoC and have a question: I'm currently as a exchange-student in another country then my home country. I will be back on 01/07 . Could this become a problem? I can receive postal messages but can not read them personally. |
| 00:22.23 | scorche|sh | flix: do you have the proper visa/permission needed to be able to work in your host country? |
| 00:22.25 | ojwb | flix: you need to be eligible to work in the country you'll be in during the coding period, which starts ~mid June |
| 00:23.05 | ojwb | so if you can't start work until July, that's rather a late start |
| 00:26.25 | flix | My flight back is on the 24th of June (but I need some time until I can concentrate on the project). I'm willing to start coding early (I already provided some patches for the organization I will apply for). I have a normal (student?) visa. I'm not sure if I could work with this. I am in Jordan in live in Germany. |
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| 00:44.06 | dogui | Hey guys, anyone here aplying for anything at Twitter? |
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| 00:57.15 | Turl | hi everyone |
| 00:57.39 | Turl | are proposals editable? |
| 00:57.49 | ojwb | Turl: until the deadline |
| 00:58.20 | Turl | great |
| 00:59.01 | ojwb | though beware that the mentors will get a notification for every edit saved |
| 00:59.44 | Turl | I'll add a note on top saying the proposal is a work in progress then |
| 01:00.26 | Turl | the wysiwyg editor on the page doesn't help much I must say :/ |
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| 01:01.07 | Turl | a toggle to use plain text or markdown or such would be great to have |
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| 01:05.40 | ojwb | Turl: look in your profile |
| 01:06.48 | ojwb | there should be a button to turn off the HTML edit thing |
| 01:06.56 | ojwb | at least there was in previous years |
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| 01:13.40 | Turl | ojwb: I don't see any such button :( |
| 01:14.14 | ojwb | hmm, maybe it got removed |
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| 01:30.00 | paultag | :) |
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| 01:30.27 | paultag | or C-g |
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| 04:06.13 | Taggnostr | assume I submit two proposals for two different organizations, if they are both willing to accept the proposal, who is going to decide on which proposal I'll work on? |
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| 04:10.05 | hiker | Taggnostr: I am only a first year org admin, but there is a 'conflict resolution' meeting |
| 04:10.13 | hiker | Fri, May 24, 12pm – 1pm |
| 04:10.27 | hiker | "IRC meeting to resolve any outstanding duplicate accepted students - 19:00 UTC #gsoc (organizations must send a delegate to represent them in this meeting regardless of if they are in a duplicate situation before the meeting.)" |
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| 04:10.52 | Taggnostr | can the students express their preference? |
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| 04:12.11 | Taggnostr | I'm applying for one organization, but as a backup in case something goes wrong I'm alsp apply for another one, but if both the proposals gets accepted I would prefer to work with the first one |
| 04:12.31 | Taggnostr | s/alsp apply/also applying/ |
| 04:12.51 | hiker | Not entirely sure - I remember reading something like "They don't have to, but usually do listen to the student" or so |
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| 04:13.38 | Taggnostr | ok, I guess I can also talk with the organizations and tell them my preference |
| 04:14.46 | hiker | While I can't talk for others, I would certainly listen to a student. |
| 04:15.09 | hiker | Wouldn't make any sense to start a mentor relationship first thing with not allowing the student to work on what he wants to work on ;) |
| 04:15.50 | hiker | Though I am a bit doubtful about double applications (though I can understand the reasons) - I have only seen a few applications so far, but there's a huge different in quality tbh |
| 04:16.03 | hiker | But again, just my 2 cents ;) |
| 04:17.43 | Taggnostr | why doubtful? |
| 04:17.58 | hiker | It takes a lot of time to write a good proposal |
| 04:18.07 | hiker | You just risk making two medium ones. |
| 04:18.29 | hiker | And at least from what I have seen medium ones won't be taken into account, since we have enough good ones |
| 04:18.57 | hiker | At least spent more effort on your preferred proposal |
| 04:19.57 | Taggnostr | makes sense |
| 04:21.04 | iRaghu | Ola! Anyone here |
| 04:21.04 | iRaghu | ? |
| 04:22.03 | iRaghu | There is something terribly wrong with the way the content gets added in the iframe of the Add Proposal. |
| 04:24.37 | hiker | Taggnostr: Just happened to read: "Deduplication can be a tricky process to navigate. Make sure it is clear to everyone involved what the student's preference is" on the flossmanual page, so you should be fine ;) |
| 04:24.57 | Taggnostr | cool, thanks again! |
| 04:25.14 | iRaghu | Can anyone help? |
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| 04:26.22 | hiker | iRaghu: sorry, no idea about the web page. We have received proposals so far, and heard no complains so far |
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| 04:27.07 | iRaghu | hiker: The indentation is gone really bizzare, it content starts "way" too left from the window and stuff like that. |
| 04:28.08 | hiker | Yes, I heard that some people had some formatting issues (as had I when I filled out the application form) |
| 04:28.16 | hiker | But it basically worked out with some minor tweaks |
| 04:28.38 | hiker | If you have huge formatting issues, better wait for a google person to answer, I can't really help you |
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| 04:30.15 | iRaghu | aah okay. hiker, it generally happens when you copy paste content from somewhere else (MS Word say.) afaik |
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| 04:30.56 | hiker | Oh - msword |
| 04:31.18 | hiker | I usually use plain text and text editor, that avoids those issues ;) |
| 04:32.58 | iRaghu | aah, nice, thanks for the suggestion ;) |
| 04:34.36 | hiker | You can try just exporting to txt |
| 04:36.28 | iRaghu | that is what I did. :) |
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| 04:49.56 | dadwavaw | How long are these proposals usually? I think I am going way overboard with 3 pages : / |
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| 04:54.46 | hiker | dadwavaw: I am only 1st year org, but I wouldn't think so |
| 04:55.01 | hiker | I have seen some proposal which are still work in progress and they were 5 pages |
| 04:55.26 | hiker | Though they had like 2 pages of screenshots |
| 04:56.55 | iRaghu | is it right to make the proposal publically visible when its not complete in entirety? |
| 04:58.18 | hiker | I'd guess that's up to you ;) |
| 04:58.51 | hiker | You can keep on updating the proposal, and the mentors will receive an email if you do so |
| 04:59.50 | iRaghu | can that be like "annoying" for the mentors, getting mails again and again. (I may sound dumb here btw) |
| 05:01.32 | iRaghu | lol, I can see my entire content blue and underlined after uploading. |
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| 05:02.44 | hiker | I had 45 emails this morning, and nearly a heart attack ;) |
| 05:02.54 | hiker | Turns out that it was mostly one user modifying his proposal |
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| 05:03.09 | hiker | Nothing my email filter can't handle, so no problem for me |
| 05:04.00 | aciid_ | someone modified his proposal 45 times? |
| 05:04.57 | hiker | Not that bad, but like 15 times or so |
| 05:05.02 | iRaghu | hiker: its weird actually, I submiited my proposal, the layout came pathetic. now I am editing it again. |
| 05:05.13 | hiker | See, it just happens |
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| 05:05.39 | hiker | I only realised that I probably annoyed someone at google doing the same thing when I was tweaking our application (and our online doc) ;) |
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| 05:07.07 | aciid_ | I am going to submit my proposal in 2 hours :D |
| 05:07.20 | hiker | Good luck! |
| 05:07.26 | aciid_ | Thank you |
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| 05:08.38 | olly | hiker: would you take away the only good student another org had though? or less extreme, if you have another similarly good student, but the other org couldn't fill the slot otherwise? |
| 05:08.39 | iRaghu | hiker: you are mentoring which org?? |
| 05:10.02 | olly | it's not really stopping a student working on what she or he wants to - unless they're applying for projects they don't want to do, which would be odd |
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| 05:10.42 | hiker | iRaghu: supertuxkart |
| 05:10.52 | olly | generally people will try to take into account the student's preference, but there are no guarantees |
| 05:11.06 | iRaghu | hiker: aah! I read about it, I guess |
| 05:11.10 | iRaghu | awesome :D |
| 05:12.24 | hiker | olly: duplication issue is a negotiation. And while it is possible that there are some extreme cases, let's see what actually happens. |
| 05:12.38 | hiker | I mean: duplication resolution ;) |
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| 05:15.34 | aciid_ | if you get selected when does google send the tees? |
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| 05:18.21 | Hav3n | Tees are sent out along with certificates, so that'll be at the end, if I'm not wrong. |
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| 05:30.27 | nehaljwani | Admins, each time I edit my proposal, (there are a lot of formatting issues), an email is sent to all the mentors of the organization. I want that to happen only when I have submitted the complete proposal with complete formatting. Please Help |
| 05:31.25 | phore | work on your proposal in an external text editor and copy it over upon completion! google drive may be of use :-) |
| 05:32.35 | nehaljwani | phore: It looses all of its formatting |
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| 05:33.19 | nehaljwani | phore: What if my withdraw my proposal and keep editting and then un-withdraw it again? |
| 05:34.06 | phore | im not sure. i am not an admin, i just meant to share my strategy for drafting my proposal |
| 05:34.34 | olly | hiker: sure, just offering the benefit of past experience as you said you're a new org |
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| 05:35.36 | hiker | olly: thanks. Is it that likely that there's one one application for an org? |
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| 05:37.41 | olly | i've not had direct experience, but I understand there have been cases where an org only felt they wanted to take one applicant |
| 05:38.18 | olly | but I've only been involved with 3 orgs, and there are hundreds which have taken part |
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| 05:38.54 | hiker | Thanks! I was just wondering since my experience is the reverse ;) |
| 05:39.12 | olly | games tend to be popular |
| 05:42.03 | olly | you're probably pretty responsive to students too, given you're on here - if students approach two orgs and one doesn't reply to questions at all, guess which they're more likely to apply to? |
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| 05:42.39 | hiker | Gee, I knew it was my mistake ;) I should just have stopped answering ;) |
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| 05:59.15 | azi` | how do I see if I really applied to GSOC? somehow I do not see my proposal under "dashboard -> proposals" |
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| 07:23.27 | ojwb | i seem to be missing the form to comment as a mentor on a proposal - is that a known issue? |
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| 08:40.40 | Sabvente | Hello, can somebody help me? I'm a student, but I can't apply to any project, because the site only shows me the "mentors: apply now" message. When I try to re-register it shows this message: "You cannot register as a student since you are already a mentor or organization administrator in Google Summer of Code 2013." |
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| 08:45.52 | gavinatkinson | Sabvente: Does it list you as a mentor or org admin for any project? Are you? |
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| 08:47.39 | Sabvente | Dashboard/My Connections list is empty. I'm not a mentor or admin and I never have been. |
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| 08:55.02 | kai | Sabvente: #melange can help you better, I guess |
| 08:55.57 | Sabvente | kai: thx |
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| 09:43.19 | Anuruddha | hi |
| 09:43.41 | Code-in | hi |
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| 09:44.12 | Anuruddha | I Apply link does not appear in my account? |
| 09:44.18 | Anuruddha | any help? |
| 09:45.01 | ashutosh30492 | Try emptying your cache. Might be a browser issue. |
| 09:45.16 | Anuruddha | ok will try that thanks |
| 09:46.32 | Anuruddha | no luck on that :( |
| 09:46.40 | Anuruddha | it says |
| 09:46.46 | Anuruddha | student : apply now |
| 09:46.53 | Anuruddha | but no button or link |
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| 09:50.52 | chrismed | Anuruddha: do you mean "register" link? |
| 09:51.10 | chrismed | Anuruddha: did you try another browser? |
| 09:51.59 | Anuruddha | chrismed: I've already registered and successfully loged in but i cant sees tha apply link |
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| 09:52.16 | Anuruddha | yes I've tried a differrent browsert |
| 09:52.21 | Anuruddha | *browser |
| 09:52.44 | Anuruddha | Is there anything to do with my graduation year |
| 09:52.58 | chrismed | I thought you have problems with registering |
| 09:53.03 | chrismed | so I can't help |
| 09:53.10 | dfighter | Anuruddha try #melange , the people in there are the wizards when it comes to this |
| 09:53.27 | Anuruddha | dfighter: thanks will try that |
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| 09:53.32 | dfighter | :) |
| 09:53.56 | ashutosh30492 | Try this: login with your google account and go to this link: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2013 |
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| 09:54.31 | ashutosh30492 | Choose your organisation and then I guess you should see the submit proposal button on the organisation page |
| 09:55.07 | Anuruddha | ashutosh30492: I am on that page but no link to apply :( |
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| 09:56.17 | ashutosh30492 | Anuruddha: No submit proposal button on the organisation page? http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2013/xorg for instance. |
| 09:56.54 | Anuruddha | ashutosh30492: yes there is no link on that :( |
| 09:57.12 | Anuruddha | it says students :apply |
| 09:57.18 | Anuruddha | but no link :( |
| 09:57.53 | ashutosh30492 | Anuruddha: There is a button under that with "Submit Proposal" written on it. This is where the link redirects to in case of xorg: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/submit/google/gsoc2013/xorg try this link. |
| 09:59.42 | Anuruddha | mm it says "This page is inaccessible because you do not have a profile in the program at this time" |
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| 10:00.33 | gevaerts | Have you registered? |
| 10:00.53 | dfighter | he said he has |
| 10:01.01 | dfighter | so maybe something went wrong there |
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| 10:01.40 | ashutosh30492 | Anuruddha: Is everything in your "My Profile" section complete? Probably something has gone wrong there. |
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| 10:02.11 | Anuruddha | dfighter,ashutosh30492 :guy my registration is incomplete :( |
| 10:02.25 | Anuruddha | sthanks for the great help |
| 10:02.33 | Anuruddha | Got it now |
| 10:02.40 | dfighter | what was the problem? |
| 10:02.46 | Anuruddha | Again thanks so much for the great help |
| 10:03.09 | ashutosh30492 | dfighter: His registration had some issues. Hence he could not apply. Hope it's sorted. |
| 10:03.26 | Anuruddha | ashutosh30492: yes !! |
| 10:03.37 | ashutosh30492 | Anuruddha: awesome |
| 10:03.37 | Anuruddha | :) |
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| 10:03.50 | Anuruddha | ashutosh30492: (Y) |
| 10:05.32 | bah | He? She? |
| 10:05.49 | Anuruddha | bah: HE |
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| 10:30.10 | naitodai | Hello everyone! I need some advice, from someone who has experience with GSoC. |
| 10:31.05 | Code-in | hello, i have same question.... |
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| 10:33.45 | naitodai | I'm a 2nd year software engeineering student, but I haven't done too much except what was required for school. I want to get real life programming experience. Is GSoC a good place to start? |
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| 10:36.14 | stefanha | nathanielmanista Code-in: Yes, it can't hurt to try. Choose a project that fits your current skillset. |
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| 10:46.50 | Klein0mite | Hello |
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| 10:48.31 | Code-in | thanks stefanha. |
| 10:48.31 | bah | I haven't been a part of any discussion during the "discussion" weeks. Is it still worth applying? |
| 10:49.02 | ajklein2 | What's projects are more on the easy side? I have a working knowledge in C, Java, HTML, CSS |
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| 10:52.15 | cod3r | i am dong 5 years integradted course and right now i am in 3 year, so what should i write ? wehter i am doing bachelors or masters ? |
| 10:54.00 | ankurankan | ajklein2: Don't go for which project is easy or tough. I would suggest to choose the project which looks the most interesting to you and you would like to work on. |
| 10:54.04 | DrinkMachine | cod3r: if you are taking undergraduate level courses right now then put that, I also am an in integrated course |
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| 10:54.43 | shivshnkr | can i change my username? |
| 10:55.08 | cod3r | DrinkMachine: this year i will complete my 3 rd year so right now i am pursing undergraduate |
| 10:55.13 | cod3r | DrinkMachine: which country ? |
| 10:55.32 | DrinkMachine | cod3r: I am in the USA |
| 10:55.46 | cod3r | DrinkMachine: nice :) |
| 10:55.58 | cod3r | shivshnkr: change username of ?? irc channel ? |
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| 10:56.47 | shivshnkr | no, gsoc |
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| 10:57.07 | cod3r | shivshnkr: than no idea.. |
| 10:57.52 | bah | I haven't been a part of any discussion during the "discussion" weeks. Is it still worth applying? |
| 10:58.22 | |Kev| | Yes, but you should get a move on. |
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| 11:02.22 | cod3r | what's the basic difference between username and public name ? |
| 11:02.37 | cod3r | over here in which context it is i am not clear. :) |
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| 11:03.09 | naveen | hello every one |
| 11:03.11 | cod3r | should my real name must go into this field ? |
| 11:03.45 | naveen | what am i suppposed to write in Full recipient name |
| 11:03.48 | kai | cod3r: public name is what is shown to other people. username is what melange uses internally |
| 11:04.15 | kai | cod3r: it is visible in links, though, so I'd suggest not picking anything stupid |
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| 11:04.47 | cod3r | kai: so my original name would be the best righ ? |
| 11:04.50 | cod3r | right* |
| 11:04.54 | naveen | can anyone help me "what am i supposed to write in Full recipient name ?" |
| 11:05.34 | kai | naveen: that's in the postal address field, right? |
| 11:05.43 | naveen | yes but whose? |
| 11:06.15 | dfighter | yours? |
| 11:06.23 | dfighter | how else can Google send you the goodies? |
| 11:06.42 | dfighter | like the debit card and the t-shirt in the end |
| 11:06.42 | naveen | it says "Fill in the name of the person who should be receiving your packages." , its confusing because whom i am supposed to send my package |
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| 11:07.03 | ankurankan | naveen: Google would be sending packages to you. So it should be your own address |
| 11:07.10 | dfighter | that's in case you are not the one who will receive them |
| 11:07.18 | naveen | got it thanks |
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| 11:07.50 | dfighter | naveen also you missed a part |
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| 11:07.53 | dfighter | "Shipping Info (if different from above)" |
| 11:08.06 | dfighter | so you are not even supposed to fill those in, unless it's different from your own data |
| 11:08.27 | naveen | sorry, i couldn't get it |
| 11:08.53 | naveen | got it |
| 11:09.16 | naveen | thanks a lot |
| 11:09.48 | dfighter | :) |
| 11:10.33 | naveen | btw is it necessary to have IM netwrork |
| 11:10.37 | naveen | network* |
| 11:11.14 | kai | necessary fields are marked as required |
| 11:11.54 | naveen | yes i know, but i was just asking in general, means why do they require it |
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| 11:12.26 | kai | they don't require it, do they? |
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| 11:14.11 | naveen | then why did they put up those in registration form, for suppose if i want to have one, can you tell me how? |
| 11:14.12 | zhchbin | Hi, anyone can help me? I'm a student who want to apply gsoc, but in my dashboard can only see mentors apply button? |
| 11:14.40 | ankurankan | zhchbin: Are you logged in? |
| 11:14.48 | zhchbin | yes, I logged in.. |
| 11:14.56 | naveen | login and then click on https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/profile/student/google/gsoc2013# |
| 11:15.14 | dfighter | naveen what do you mean you want to have one? |
| 11:15.29 | naveen | i want to have one im network |
| 11:15.29 | zhchbin | Maybe it's because I apply mentor before, at that time I want to apply node-webkit... |
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| 11:15.45 | zhchbin | Error :You cannot register as a student since you are already a mentor or organization administrator in Google Summer of Code 2013. |
| 11:16.12 | naveen | error says all |
| 11:16.15 | zhchbin | But I remember that I didn't finish at that time... |
| 11:16.16 | dfighter | zhchbin you probably applied to be a mentor |
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| 11:16.33 | zhchbin | Yes, can this undo? |
| 11:16.38 | dfighter | naveen if you want to have one then fill it in... I'm not sure what you are asking actually |
| 11:16.43 | naveen | i d k |
| 11:17.29 | Achillion | There's nothing wrong with keeping *notes* in the application as placeholders while I write it, right? It's just the final version that appears, the version that's there when the deadline hits. |
| 11:17.30 | cod3r_ | is it a good idea to have a uniqe nick so as you can be identified more easily ? |
| 11:17.32 | gevaerts | zhchbin: contact the melange people |
| 11:17.35 | naveen | @dfighter did you apply as student, if yes then what did you fill in there ? and if not then do you know what should a person fill in there? |
| 11:17.52 | kai | Achillion: the mentoring orgs see the application right away |
| 11:17.57 | dfighter | naveen yes I did and I filled in my freenode details there |
| 11:17.57 | zhchbin | Ok, thanks very much!! |
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| 11:18.01 | kai | personally I don't mind |
| 11:18.09 | naveen | they are not going to identify through nick |
| 11:18.32 | dfighter | naveen there's even an example there, so I really don't know what you don't understand about it :P |
| 11:18.32 | Achillion | kai: Ah. Good to know, thanks. |
| 11:18.36 | cod3r_ | naveen: i am not talking about nick on freenode. |
| 11:18.50 | cod3r_ | dfighter: example about ? |
| 11:19.02 | gevaerts | kai: any advice on how to get gsocbot to give me a list of all factoids without going a*, b*, ... until it tells me I'm annoying it and getting ignored for five minutes? :) |
| 11:19.34 | dfighter | cod3r_ example for "Im network" |
| 11:19.50 | cod3r_ | ok cool :) |
| 11:19.53 | gevaerts | knows there's a factoid about who to contact for the mentor/student registration issue, but he can't remember what it was |
| 11:20.05 | kai | gevaerts: sure. You can ask more slowly ;) |
| 11:20.16 | kai | gevaerts: but off-hand, nope... |
| 11:20.17 | gevaerts | Ah, excellent idea :) |
| 11:20.20 | kai | let me check |
| 11:20.45 | gevaerts | Maybe increase the max number of keywords returned? I don't know how many factoids there are... |
| 11:20.47 | naveen | thats what i am asking, actually i am new to this free node, i also wanted to have one freenode account |
| 11:20.48 | zhchbin | gevaerts who do you mean? |
| 11:21.32 | naveen | i d k , i mean the thinks which i can put up in those links |
| 11:21.41 | naveen | fields* |
| 11:21.47 | gevaerts | zhchbin: there's an email address to contact, I'm trying to find out what it is |
| 11:21.54 | dfighter | naveen you've never used IRC before? |
| 11:22.14 | naveen | no |
| 11:22.26 | gevaerts | Ah |
| 11:22.35 | gevaerts | !apply-mentor | zhchbin |
| 11:22.36 | gsocbot | zhchbin: "apply-mentor" is mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com with the link_id (top right of your screen) and tell them you are mistakenly registered as a mentor |
| 11:22.36 | naveen | just got in here once before for general chat with programmer |
| 11:22.36 | kai | gevaerts: the problem is that you hit freenode rate limiting at some point |
| 11:22.45 | dfighter | well ok, it's a relatively new technology, it has only existed since 1985 :) |
| 11:22.46 | gevaerts | kai: ah, right. |
| 11:23.03 | gevaerts | Anyway, my personal logs had the answer, so all's well |
| 11:23.08 | zhchbin | Ok, thanks very much for your help. |
| 11:23.25 | dfighter | naveen so then go on freenode's site and follow the instructions for registration |
| 11:23.31 | dfighter | but again those fields are not mandatory |
| 11:23.43 | dfighter | they can always reach you by email |
| 11:23.46 | dfighter | which IS mandatory |
| 11:23.47 | kai | gevaerts: hm, interesting... "sqlite3 Factoids.db .dump" claims the factoids list is empty... |
| 11:23.49 | naveen | ok thanks |
| 11:23.51 | kai | go figure :) |
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| 11:25.16 | dfighter | kai no surprise, it no longer uses a db, it has it's own mind >;-D |
| 11:25.45 | naveen | haha, it says group registration is currently suspended so my bad right? |
| 11:26.20 | dfighter | naveen I have no idea what you are talking about |
| 11:26.36 | naveen | group registration on freenode @dfighter |
| 11:26.57 | dfighter | naveen then you are out of luck I guess |
| 11:27.24 | dfighter | however why are you trying to register a group? |
| 11:27.27 | naveen | anyways thanks to gsoc "its not mandatory" |
| 11:27.52 | naveen | is there individual registration |
| 11:28.02 | naveen | ? |
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| 11:28.14 | dfighter | naveen considering group registration is for registering main channels... |
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| 11:29.02 | naveen | they need "examples: irc:irc.freenode.net xmpp:gmail.com/Home" |
| 11:29.15 | dfighter | but again naveen why do you insist on filling it in when it's not mandatory? |
| 11:29.28 | naveen | i wanna learn |
| 11:29.34 | dfighter | learn what? |
| 11:29.54 | naveen | having an account like this might help be else where |
| 11:30.05 | naveen | me* |
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| 11:30.56 | dfighter | then again go on freenode's site and follow the intstructions, but instead of doing it like a monkey actually read and understand them... |
| 11:31.01 | naveen | plz could you explain how you did registration on freenode |
| 11:31.13 | dfighter | yes |
| 11:31.18 | dfighter | I read the instructions on the site |
| 11:31.19 | dfighter | xD |
| 11:31.24 | naveen | lol |
| 11:31.42 | naveen | actually i am in hurry, |
| 11:31.42 | dfighter | are you sure you are actually a programmer btw? |
| 11:32.03 | dfighter | ( just wondering, no offense intended ) |
| 11:32.06 | naveen | good joke, yes i am |
| 11:32.14 | dfighter | naveen if you are a hurry then do it later |
| 11:32.18 | dfighter | when you have more time! :) |
| 11:32.39 | naveen | sighs, i just decided to finish it today |
| 11:32.49 | naveen | anyways i will go through instruction |
| 11:33.03 | dfighter | :) |
| 11:33.07 | naveen | lot of thanks for your support |
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| 11:33.55 | dfighter | np, I've experienced bigger pains to endure :P |
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| 11:46.14 | antea | I'm a phd student - can I apply for projects in google summer of code? |
| 11:46.33 | naveenmultani | i have made one but seems difficult to check it without a client |
| 11:46.41 | naveenmultani | why not |
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| 11:47.06 | cod3r_ | dfighter: nice question :P |
| 11:47.18 | naveenmultani | whose? |
| 11:47.33 | cod3r_ | naveenmultani: which client do you use ? |
| 11:47.51 | naveenmultani | i am on free node second time, no client |
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| 11:49.11 | cod3r_ | accessing from web ? |
| 11:49.31 | naveenmultani | yes |
| 11:49.50 | cod3r_ | :) |
| 11:50.02 | naveenmultani | was it a joke |
| 11:50.09 | naveenmultani | :( |
| 11:50.20 | naveenmultani | anyways |
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| 11:50.41 | cod3r_ | naveenmultani: which joke ? |
| 11:50.51 | naveenmultani | never mind |
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| 11:51.12 | cod3r_ | i think there is some misunderstanding. |
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| 11:54.09 | naveenmultani | its all right |
| 11:54.48 | naveenmultani | its good to see that we have less coders than chatter in the world |
| 11:55.14 | naveenmultani | gtg bye, thanks to all your help |
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| 11:56.46 | dfighter | cod3r_ uhm, which question? |
| 11:57.37 | cod3r_ | however why are you trying to register a group? |
| 11:57.56 | cod3r_ | dfighter: this question. |
| 11:58.04 | dfighter | ah |
| 11:58.31 | cod3r_ | i don't get it whats happening :| |
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| 12:09.45 | Achillion | No one ever really knows what's happening |
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| 12:15.39 | azi` | what exactly happens when some org chooses the projects they want to do? is google then deciding which one to grant or not? |
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| 12:16.01 | azi` | or is every org given a fixed slot of stipends and then the org does the choosing? |
| 12:17.57 | bah | Slots are distributed as per popularity, I think. |
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| 12:19.54 | olly | and the org chooses which proposals to select |
| 12:20.35 | olly | !slots | azi` |
| 12:20.36 | gsocbot | azi`: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations |
| 12:20.45 | olly | that has more details |
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| 12:26.40 | bah | Are numbness, warm face and cold hands a part of GSoC? |
| 12:27.17 | Achillion | Check the FAQ |
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| 13:34.52 | mzaza | While filling up my application I should provide data for implementation details. What does it mean by implementation details? Isn't that something the project leader should mention? |
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| 13:37.25 | baba | when i am clicking on the submit proposal under the content box, i am getting lot's of html like syntax inside it instead of a blank box. |
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| 13:40.23 | gevaerts | mzaza: it's *your* project. You're expected to get a bit of support from your mentor and the organisation, but you're supposed to work on your own |
| 13:40.47 | gevaerts | So *you* are effectively the project leader in many respects |
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| 13:46.51 | iamholycow | I will be on an internship this summer and wish to take up gsoc also.. is that possible |
| 13:47.20 | paultag | it'd be a bad decision to do so |
| 13:47.38 | paultag | every year it ends in a huge mess for some org |
| 13:47.39 | iamholycow | why |
| 13:47.47 | iamholycow | oh |
| 13:47.48 | paultag | iamholycow: it's been tried; gsoc requires a full work day |
| 13:48.02 | paultag | students slack, miss deadlines and end up blowing off gsoc |
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| 13:48.09 | paultag | they get failed, everyone looses |
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| 13:48.21 | paultag | loses* |
| 13:48.37 | Hamish_B | Hi, sorry if this sways towards a #melange question, but we just go at application from a student who apparently pressed the wrong button and submitted it to the wrong org. As an org admin, how do I mark it as invalid/rejected? |
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| 13:49.08 | Hamish_B | s/go at/got a/ ... serious finger lag |
| 13:49.19 | iamholycow | actually, I can start working from the evening for 6hrs.. wouldn't that work? |
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| 13:49.28 | mzaza | gevaerts: Ah, thanks :) |
| 13:49.30 | iamholycow | during morining.. my internship |
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| 13:50.11 | paultag | iamholycow: it never ends well. Most orgs will flat out reject you, and the ones that might accept you are new orgs, I'm guessing. |
| 13:50.24 | paultag | iamholycow: every year someone tries, and every year it ends in a mess. |
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| 13:50.43 | paultag | iamholycow: if you can't do a 40 hour work week, it's not going to work. |
| 13:51.25 | iamholycow | that's what I am saying.. daily 6hrs (from eveing 6 to 12).. it would sum up to 40 hrs/week |
| 13:51.46 | paultag | iamholycow: when will you sleep? |
| 13:51.59 | paultag | I really don't think that's a good idea. You can't do that for a whole summer. |
| 13:52.25 | iamholycow | :p .. though I usually sleep late.. I guess its not good idea.. |
| 13:52.40 | paultag | iamholycow: http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/never-half-ass-two-things-whole-ass-one-thing.jpg |
| 13:53.20 | XgF | iamholycow: 12 hours of work/day is not a sustainable level |
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| 13:53.41 | ashutosh30492 | iamholycow: 6 hours a day is a non-realistic time. Your milestones will be more target based than time bases. You might need to put in more time than usual for some modules. Will be a bad choice if you are forced to quit midway just because of this internship. Besides, why the internship? $5k for a summer not enough? |
| 13:54.31 | iamholycow | its like. my internship has been fixed long back before gsoc begin.. I wasnt sure of gsoc then |
| 13:54.47 | iamholycow | but considering my work in the community.. I think I have pretty good chances now.. |
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| 13:55.01 | iamholycow | and I can't drop out of internship.. |
| 13:55.10 | iamholycow | it would be mean that way |
| 13:55.14 | ashutosh30492 | iamholycow: Which country? |
| 13:55.28 | iamholycow | my internship? |
| 13:55.38 | ashutosh30492 | iamholycow: Yea. And you. |
| 13:55.45 | paultag | 09:55 < iamholycow> it would be mean that way |
| 13:55.53 | paultag | iamholycow: remember to always reverse the situation |
| 13:56.07 | paultag | iamholycow: if for some reason you were not in their best interest, you should know they'd drop you |
| 13:56.15 | paultag | iamholycow: it's unfair for you to not think the same way |
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| 13:56.30 | iamholycow | internship is from Germany.. I from India |
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| 13:57.47 | ashutosh30492 | iamholycow: Damn. DAAD? If you really want to participate in gsoc and complete your project before time, you'll have to say no to germany. Else you might have a hell of a summer. |
| 13:58.07 | paultag | (or say no to GSoC) |
| 13:58.18 | paultag | either way, it'd be unfair to do both. To everyone. |
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| 13:59.01 | Hamish_B | life's all about making choices. good luck :) |
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| 13:59.47 | ashutosh30492 | imholycow: Are you already in this internship? |
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| 14:01.27 | iamholycow | <ashutosh30492> I would go to some other country during summer, work on some cool ML programming.. |
| 14:01.33 | iamholycow | who wouldn't want to |
| 14:01.54 | iamholycow | and.. in GSoC, its damn cooooooooooool |
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| 14:02.07 | iamholycow | and makes it too cool with their stipend |
| 14:02.42 | halfdan- | iamholycow: where'd you go in germany? |
| 14:02.46 | ashutosh30492 | iamholycow: From an entirely Indian Engineering perspective. Germany looks better on a resume. :p |
| 14:02.59 | halfdan- | agrees |
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| 14:03.03 | iRaghu | ashutosh30492: lol xD |
| 14:03.51 | iamholycow | halfdan: Munich |
| 14:04.02 | iamholycow | ashutosh30492: I totally agree |
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| 14:04.12 | halfdan- | hell, go to germany |
| 14:04.20 | ashutosh30492 | iamholycow: is it the DAAD scholarship? Which college? |
| 14:04.50 | halfdan- | iamholycow: gsoc will still be there next year.. |
| 14:04.53 | paultag | truth |
| 14:05.01 | paultag | München is awesome. |
| 14:05.10 | paultag | because beer |
| 14:05.14 | halfdan- | :D |
| 14:05.24 | iamholycow | ashutosh30492: Its not daad.. I found myself.. |
| 14:05.30 | Uli- | berlin. the one and only place to live and work in germany ;) |
| 14:05.38 | ashutosh30492 | iamholycow: Besides, if you make gsoc this year, next year will be easier for you. |
| 14:05.42 | iamholycow | the thing is .. the stipend is not that bad |
| 14:05.42 | halfdan- | Uli-: I'll go for Tübingen ;) |
| 14:05.42 | iamholycow | *not that good |
| 14:07.02 | Uli- | halfdan-: boring. |
| 14:07.12 | halfdan- | nope |
| 14:07.18 | Uli- | whatever ;) |
| 14:07.27 | iamholycow | Uli: I got in Maxplack - Berlin too.. for stupid reasons, I wrote the most .. regretful email in my life.. eventually to say no |
| 14:08.01 | halfdan- | there is max planck in Tübingen as well ;) |
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| 14:08.10 | Uli- | max planck is everywhere |
| 14:08.17 | halfdan- | yep |
| 14:08.27 | iamholycow | yeah.. |
| 14:08.37 | Uli- | as is fraunhofer and others |
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| 14:12.58 | swook | iamholycow: you don't do research internships for money |
| 14:12.59 | S_Somani | Hi, I have a doubt |
| 14:13.19 | S_Somani | How to upload a patch along with the proposal that you submit? |
| 14:13.33 | Uli- | not possible. |
| 14:13.37 | swook | upload the patch somewhere, provide link |
| 14:13.39 | iRaghu | Ah, I am not able to upload images. |
| 14:13.47 | iRaghu | what webservice to use for images |
| 14:14.08 | iRaghu | as it asks for links, are images embedded or taken from that link? |
| 14:14.12 | ashutosh30492 | S_Somani. Make a pull request on the github for your org. And mention that in your proposal. |
| 14:14.13 | S_Somani | Uli-: swook Thanks |
| 14:14.29 | S_Somani | ashutosh30492: ok. Thanks :) |
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| 14:23.41 | abhshkdz | Hi! |
| 14:23.45 | abhshkdz | Any gsoc admins here |
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| 14:24.24 | Amir1_ | Hello, I really want to participate at GSoC but I can't because I'm Iraninan |
| 14:24.30 | Amir1_ | I really want to do |
| 14:25.01 | Amir1_ | What is the exact US law which is against participating me? |
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| 14:25.24 | Amir1_ | I hate my government and I don't want to pay my government's fault |
| 14:25.47 | Amir1_ | Is there anybody who can help me? |
| 14:25.59 | paultag | Amir1_: so, the issue is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._sanctions_against_Iran |
| 14:26.07 | paultag | Amir1_: namely, http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_12959 |
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| 14:26.41 | paultag | Amir1_: in particular, I think paragraph 1 § a |
| 14:26.50 | paultag | but INAL |
| 14:27.42 | gavinatkinson | Or maybe http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_12613 |
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| 14:29.35 | Amir1_ | reading |
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| 14:32.51 | dfighter | Amir1_ you can't do anything at this point. You are just simply not permitted to participate due to the sanctions. Google just obeys the laws. |
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| 14:34.30 | Amir1_ | dfighter: I know but Do you think there is a way for me to participate without breaking the law? |
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| 14:35.09 | dfighter | Amir1_ you wouldn't be breaking the law, Google would. |
| 14:35.17 | dfighter | and no I don't think there's a way, but I am not a lawyer |
| 14:35.21 | dfighter | especially not a US lawyer |
| 14:35.22 | Amir1_ | for example, If i will live (temporarily) in another country such as Trukey |
| 14:35.27 | dfighter | I haven't even ever been to the US |
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| 14:35.55 | dfighter | Amir1_ as far as I remember it's about citizenship |
| 14:36.10 | dfighter | so you'd have to get rid of your iranian citizenship in that case |
| 14:36.12 | gevaerts | dfighter: "However, if he/she has citizenship in the place where he/she is currently living and working, he/she is welcome to participate" |
| 14:36.17 | gevaerts | Amir1_: ^^ |
| 14:36.34 | dfighter | gevaerts so all he has to do is get another citizenship |
| 14:36.44 | gevaerts | (quoted from an email by carols) |
| 14:36.51 | gevaerts | Yes, that's "all" |
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| 14:36.59 | dfighter | well it's unlikely to happen in this short time |
| 14:37.01 | gevaerts | Good luck doing that in three weeks... |
| 14:37.04 | dfighter | but maybe by next year |
| 14:37.26 | gevaerts | I wouldn't recommend playing citizenship games just for gsoc though |
| 14:37.45 | sunbiz | :) |
| 14:37.47 | Lennie | gevaerts, that almost sounds like playing the hunger games to me :P |
| 14:37.51 | Amir1_ | I really wanted to participate in this year because this job is my expertise http://sulab.org/gsoc13/#idea1 |
| 14:38.00 | dfighter | hey to bring in some fun into this, my government ( Hungary ) is so desperate to get foreign currencies that if you bring lots of money into the country, you can get citizenship easier |
| 14:38.08 | sunbiz | does any1 know when a mentor gets subscribed to the list?? |
| 14:38.24 | sunbiz | only after the mentor has a student or after the org accepts a mentor? |
| 14:38.42 | Lennie | sunbiz, after the org accepts the mentor and it happens on a regular basis when Carol feels like it |
| 14:38.45 | Lennie | it's a manual process |
| 14:38.57 | sunbiz | Lennie: thanks for the info... |
| 14:38.57 | Lennie | so just sit back and wait :) |
| 14:39.07 | gevaerts | Lennie: still a bit different, I'd say :) |
| 14:39.52 | Amir1_ | gevaerts, difghter, a little question, as I understand correctly I can't hire anywhere in the US without changing my citizenship, Is it correct? |
| 14:40.09 | sunbiz | some1 wanted to listen on the citizenship restriction thread going on in the mentors list |
| 14:40.12 | sunbiz | thanks for the info |
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| 14:41.16 | gevaerts | Amir1_: I *really* can't answer that |
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| 14:41.28 | gsocguy | any people from Austria? |
| 14:41.50 | Amir1_ | Tell me who so I'll call him/her and tell my story |
| 14:42.19 | gsocguy | I would like to hear from people in Austria, how much are the taxes for GSOC? |
| 14:42.29 | gsocguy | I mean, how much money are you left out of the 5000$ |
| 14:42.36 | dfighter | Amir1_ I don't think this is a proper venue for getting around US regulations |
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| 14:43.26 | dfighter | gsocbot that probably depends on if they had other income |
| 14:43.36 | dfighter | eh |
| 14:43.40 | dfighter | gsocguy that is |
| 14:43.55 | dfighter | you should consult a tax advisor |
| 14:44.18 | gsocguy | dfighter: I asked about people from Austria. If you are not one of them, I wonder why you responded. |
| 14:44.32 | summatusmentis | Amir1_: afaik, there's nothing stopping you from participating with open source organizations, just not through GSoC |
| 14:45.09 | Amir1_ | I'm working on Wikipedias since 2006 |
| 14:45.13 | dfighter | gsocguy because I wanted to help? |
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| 14:45.31 | gevaerts | gsocguy: if you don't want a response from people who might be able to help, I wonder why you asked in a public channel |
| 14:45.48 | gsocguy | well ask a tax advisor is not much of a help really |
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| 14:46.19 | dfighter | gsocguy however if you mean business we can meet at the border of Austria and Hungary and "discuss it" |
| 14:46.51 | stefanha | gsocguy: Check the tax authority's website for an explanation of how income tax and whether there's a yearly tax-free allowance which $5000 is still below. |
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| 14:47.10 | gsocguy | I would waste a day just to get that information |
| 14:47.15 | gsocguy | that is why i asked if someone already knows |
| 14:47.16 | Amir1_ | I will participate next year If I'll can but I say It's racism |
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| 14:47.21 | stefanha | gsocguy: wow |
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| 14:47.28 | Amir1_ | I didn't choose my nationality |
| 14:47.51 | gsocguy | well i have no idea how taxes and stuff work i dont even know what to look for, i dont even know what tax advisor is and where to find him |
| 14:48.00 | gevaerts | Amir1_: I can see your point, but there's *nothing* anyone here can do about it |
| 14:48.08 | Amir1_ | I know |
| 14:48.11 | Amir1_ | bye |
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| 14:48.16 | dfighter | Amir1_ it's not racism, the problem is not your nationality itself |
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| 14:48.44 | stefanha | gsocguy: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einkommensteuer_(%C3%96sterreich) |
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| 14:49.19 | gsocguy | stefanha oh wow a wikipedia article, i imagine how useful that would be |
| 14:49.37 | stefanha | gsocguy: I was about to tell you more, but forget it. I'm Austrian BTW. |
| 14:49.47 | gevaerts | sees that gsocguy just wants clear answers without any work from himself |
| 14:50.07 | dfighter | gevaerts that's what the tax advisor is for |
| 14:50.14 | gsocguy | gevaerts: partially true, I really dont know what a tax advisor is |
| 14:50.15 | dfighter | you pay them money and they tell you the clear answer |
| 14:50.16 | dfighter | :D |
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| 14:50.33 | gevaerts | That sort of attitude makes it rather unlikely to get into gsoc in the first place, which means the entire issue is academic |
| 14:50.46 | dfighter | gsocguy an accountant for example |
| 14:50.50 | gsocguy | you guys are just mean |
| 14:50.57 | dfighter | you know what an accountant is, right? |
| 14:50.58 | gsocguy | oh well i can find an accountant |
| 14:50.59 | gsocguy | yep |
| 14:51.13 | gsocguy | i thought a tax advisor is some other thing |
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| 14:51.43 | dfighter | well there are advisors who don't do the accounting, just tell you how to avoid being taxed |
| 14:52.03 | gsocguy | stefanha: do you have a general sense of how much money will be spent on taxes? it would suck if they take away more than 1000 euros |
| 14:52.25 | gevaerts | gsocguy: you started by dismissing replies, then you gave sarcastic comments about other replies, and then you call use mean? |
| 14:52.29 | gevaerts | Thanks |
| 14:52.56 | gsocguy | well yeah i admitted humbly i dont know what to do and you guys jumped on me |
| 14:53.11 | gsocguy | nevermind sorry if i sounded rude |
| 14:53.18 | dfighter | we definitely did not |
| 14:53.26 | dfighter | we told you where to find out what you need to know... |
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| 14:54.29 | gsocguy | ok |
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| 14:56.26 | saurabh0508 | connect |
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| 15:00.01 | anshul | hi everyone |
| 15:00.49 | anshul | need help filling the student registration form |
| 15:01.03 | anshul | can someone help me out please |
| 15:01.31 | shivshnkr | anshul, sure |
| 15:01.53 | anshul | *shivshkr* glad to read that |
| 15:02.01 | anshul | *shivshnkr* glad to read that |
| 15:02.26 | anshul | where can i upload my thumbnail image ? |
| 15:04.05 | anshul | there @shivshnkr ? |
| 15:04.35 | shivshnkr | u can do it at any photo upload site, where image can be stored permanently |
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| 15:04.57 | anshul | can i get a few reliable names... |
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| 15:05.26 | shivshnkr | flickr |
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| 15:06.03 | anshul | thanks for that :) |
| 15:07.10 | anshul | how do i enter my gmail details in "Im network" option ? |
| 15:07.19 | shivshnkr | anshul: u can also try http://www.pictat.com |
| 15:07.31 | shivshnkr | and resize there online |
| 15:08.23 | shivshnkr | anshul, its already mentioned there |
| 15:08.30 | anshul | ok... never heard of it... is it reliable enough ? |
| 15:08.51 | shivshnkr | xmpp:gmail.com/Home |
| 15:11.04 | ace_striker | i have a question: do mentor don't reply/talk during student application submission?? |
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| 15:12.50 | shivshnkr | anshul, it should be reliable, if not, u can change at anytime later |
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| 15:13.15 | anshul | oh that's great. thanks shivshnkr |
| 15:13.23 | anshul | ace_striker: i don't think so |
| 15:13.48 | gevaerts | ace_striker: I'm not sure what you mean |
| 15:13.57 | anshul | ace_striker: the doc doesn't mention anything like this |
| 15:14.17 | banas | ace_striker: Haha, I'm faced with something similar. They're probably just busy. |
| 15:14.21 | ace_striker | i mean similar behaviour on my side.. |
| 15:14.36 | gevaerts | has been a mentor in the past, and he's been known to talk at almost any time |
| 15:15.00 | ace_striker | bana: anshul: gevaerts: thanks for reply. |
| 15:15.17 | banas | My prospective mentor was in touch with me throughout March and until one week before the appl period. Now she just doesn't reply to emails :/ |
| 15:15.19 | gevaerts | I'd expect replies if at least you asked in the right place |
| 15:15.33 | gevaerts | However, don't expect instant replies |
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| 15:15.48 | banas | yep, agree with gevaerts. |
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| 15:16.35 | gevaerts | Also, I know some organisations have a policy of not commenting on actual applications, while others will work with you to improve your proposal. I wouldn't expect any organisation to be totally silent though |
| 15:16.57 | banas | But then the past week has been severely depressing. We were on the process of refining my proposal, and now she doesnt talk at all. The last time she replied through email was last Sunday, and I've sent her 6 emails since/ |
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| 15:17.27 | banas | Yesterday I pinged her, she said she was in a meeting, and would talk later. I ended up staying all night and pinging her, she didn't reply :/ |
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| 15:17.38 | banas | I'm just guessing she's super busy. |
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| 15:18.10 | MatthewWilkes | banas: Speak to the administrator for that org, they will be able to put you in touch with other people who can help |
| 15:18.23 | MatthewWilkes | banas: Part of GSoC is getting integrated into the org, not depending on one person |
| 15:19.09 | banas | MatthewWilkes: Hmm, that sounds like a good idea. I actually did ask around randomly in the channel, and forwarded my proposal to a few people, but my mentor is the one who's worked the most on the project, they keep saying she would knoe best. |
| 15:19.12 | lfaraone | Could somebody please add luke@faraone.cc to the GSoC mentor list, and remove luke.faraone@gmail.com? |
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| 15:20.52 | banas | *know |
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| 15:21.35 | banas | Are we like the lowest priority people typical mentors deal with on a normal day? :P |
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| 15:21.56 | gevaerts | Maybe |
| 15:22.08 | gevaerts | Many mentors have day jobs and families |
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| 15:22.53 | banas | Yes, sounds like what is my problem here. Anyway, I'll try bugging some more people in the community ;) |
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| 15:24.25 | banas | One more doubt. I would probably ask this to you, gevaerts. In case you were approached by a student who doesnt have a lot of experience but is surely showing signs of catching up pretty early. |
| 15:24.52 | banas | and towards the application period, a guy with a lot of experience comes in. |
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| 15:26.17 | gevaerts | listens |
| 15:26.35 | banas | so, whom would you likely prefer? |
| 15:27.01 | banas | If you have been say helping the older guy refine his proposal? |
| 15:27.18 | gevaerts | All else being equal, the experienced candidate. However, "all else being equal" is *never* the case |
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| 15:31.21 | banas | yep, agreed. :) Cool. |
| 15:31.22 | anshul | can i get links to ideal project proposals from earlier gsoc's. |
| 15:31.52 | banas | anshul: You can just google your organizations name + gsoc proposal. |
| 15:32.05 | banas | Most likely, they'll have it stored in a wiki or something |
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| 15:33.49 | gevaerts | !studentguide | anshul |
| 15:33.50 | gsocbot | anshul: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 15:33.54 | gevaerts | That has some examples |
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| 15:50.37 | hornig | hi there |
| 15:50.51 | hornig | I need some help with the melange system :) |
| 15:51.48 | hornig | I have another external mentor for an app. how do I or how does he get into my mentors list? |
| 15:52.28 | ashutosh30492 | Hi hornig.Try contacting the org admin. They should be able to add your mentor to their list. It's organisation specific really. |
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| 15:53.09 | hornig | I should be the orgs main admin ;) |
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| 15:54.14 | hornig | but I don't see how to add him on dashboard's "Mentor Evaluations" list |
| 15:54.39 | hornig | does he have to register and apply? |
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| 15:55.05 | ashutosh30492 | Oh, my bad. :p You can ask on #melange for this. They are the wizards in such issues. |
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| 15:56.13 | hornig | hehe, ah, they have their own channel. didn't know it |
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| 16:10.04 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 16:10.42 | sunu | this cookie | carols |
| 16:10.44 | gopi | hello sir, can any one tell me, how to i send a proposal to GSoC? |
| 16:11.00 | sunu | :/ |
| 16:11.12 | carols | gopi: sure, you'd do it on google-melange.com |
| 16:11.19 | hornig | hmmm, no one in #melange |
| 16:11.29 | carols | hornig: then email them |
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| 16:11.51 | hornig | yeah, that's the next step |
| 16:11.54 | carols | cool. |
| 16:11.57 | gopi | ok sir, i dont know how to send it? |
| 16:11.57 | carols | sips some tea |
| 16:12.11 | carols | gopi: i'm a ma'am. have you read the manuals? |
| 16:12.12 | banas | My organisation's asked for a CV this year. Since I am just in my second year, I haven't really made many CVs (as I don't have a lot of achievments already). So I was just looking for tips on what would an open source organisation look for in a CV? |
| 16:12.24 | carols | banas: did you ask them? |
| 16:12.58 | carols | banas: and did you try this? https://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+write+a+CV |
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| 16:13.58 | banas | I did try pinging my prospective mentor, but she didn't reply. I was asking around in the team for whom I intend to do the project, it seems to be a lil inactive now. |
| 16:14.17 | carols | banas: then you might have to just go it yourself :-) |
| 16:14.22 | carols | we like self-starters in open source. |
| 16:14.29 | carols | just forge the path without them. |
| 16:14.40 | gopi | oh sorry ma'am. I didn't read the manuals. |
| 16:14.41 | banas | I've written a CV, but then I wasn't really sure if there's anything in particular open source orgs would want. |
| 16:14.42 | gopi | can you help me ma'am? |
| 16:14.57 | carols | gopi: sure. the manuals are linked on the FAQs |
| 16:15.04 | carols | just go read 'em over :-) |
| 16:15.32 | carols | banas: how about this? https://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+write+an+open+source+software+resume |
| 16:15.55 | banas | carols : I like that idea. Haven't tried that ;) Thanks, I think that should be my best bet:) |
| 16:16.03 | carols | great. |
| 16:16.57 | gopi | Ok thank you ma'am. |
| 16:17.06 | carols | yw. |
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| 16:24.31 | sfb | I'm pretty sure someone has already asked this... |
| 16:24.44 | sfb | But I don't see the ability to comment on proposals like we had last year. |
| 16:24.49 | arkiaz | Hi, I have a question. Consider one organization has multiple ideas. I want to apply for two different ideas. Is it considered two different applications or just one, because a student is allowed maximum of 5 applications? |
| 16:25.10 | carols | sfb: https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1811&colspec=ID%20Priority%20Status%20Type%20Owner%20Milestone%20Effort%20Skills%20Summary |
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| 16:25.20 | sfb | arkiaz: As a mentor and admin I'd want two different proposals. |
| 16:25.35 | carols | arkiaz: you submit each as a separate proposal, unless the org tells you otherwise. |
| 16:25.40 | sfb | arkiaz: I couldn't imagine a student having enough energy to properly make 5 great proposals. |
| 16:25.57 | sfb | carols: Thank you Carol! |
| 16:26.01 | carols | yw. |
| 16:26.08 | arkiaz | carols: thank you. |
| 16:26.12 | carols | yw. |
| 16:26.35 | sfb | Those Melange guys are the best. |
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| 16:32.08 | guest372146 | I study in a university but for the course I've enrolled in I'll be awarded a diploma. Am I eligible? |
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| 16:32.37 | carols | guest372146: hard to say, but it certainly sounds possible. |
| 16:32.54 | guest372146 | (asking since there's only 'Degree', 'Undergraduate', 'Masters' and 'Phd' listed |
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| 16:33.09 | carols | just choose undergraduate. |
| 16:33.22 | guest372146 | Could I get a specific answer? (or could you direct me where I could?) |
| 16:33.23 | guest372146 | okay |
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| 16:35.45 | guest372146 | carols: thanks, but I'm still skeptical. Could you please direct me where I can get a clear answer? |
| 16:35.53 | carols | the FAQs. |
| 16:36.30 | guest372146 | ok thanks |
| 16:37.15 | carols | yw |
| 16:37.21 | gevaerts | guest372146: for the record, while most of us here only offer opinion and experience, whatever carols says is official |
| 16:37.55 | guest372146 | gevaerts: I see |
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| 16:43.39 | reosarevok | Hi! |
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| 16:43.57 | carols | hi reosarevok |
| 16:44.07 | reosarevok | So, I registered as a mentor, but I kinda changed my mind and decided I actually want to be a student instead |
| 16:44.14 | carols | reosarevok: try #melange |
| 16:44.17 | reosarevok | Ok! |
| 16:44.18 | carols | or email the list, alternatively. |
| 16:44.27 | carols | the melange list, that is. |
| 16:44.33 | reosarevok | I'll try IRC first |
| 16:44.35 | reosarevok | Thanks :) |
| 16:44.36 | carols | great. |
| 16:44.37 | carols | yw |
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| 17:00.25 | carols | !logs |
| 17:00.25 | gsocbot | carols: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 17:00.54 | carols | cheers. |
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| 17:05.20 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
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| 17:26.12 | arkiaz | Hi, |
| 17:26.21 | carols | hi arkiaz |
| 17:26.54 | arkiaz | Can I make modifications after I apply the proposal before deadline ? |
| 17:27.04 | carols | arkiaz: yes |
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| 17:27.55 | arkiaz | So until may 3, I can log into my account and make necessary changes if I want? |
| 17:28.05 | carols | arkiaz: yes |
| 17:28.21 | arkiaz | carols: that's great, thank you. |
| 17:28.24 | carols | yw |
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| 17:28.44 | arkiaz | carols: what does 'yw' mean? |
| 17:28.49 | carols | you're welcome. |
| 17:29.01 | arkiaz | carols: ok. |
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| 17:57.10 | carols | it got quiet in here :-) |
| 17:57.18 | carols | i guess all the students are crafting their awesome proposals |
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| 17:58.31 | AndroUser | Hey i had a question |
| 17:58.35 | carols | sure. |
| 17:59.00 | carols | how can we help? |
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| 17:59.39 | AndroUser | When are students informed if they got into the program? |
| 18:00.01 | carols | may 27 |
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| 18:00.43 | AndroUser | That is, when the list of projects are put up. |
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| 18:00.49 | carols | may 27 |
| 18:00.49 | AndroUser | Cool, thanks. |
| 18:00.53 | carols | yw |
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| 18:03.13 | carols | scorche: you around? |
| 18:03.41 | kkthecoder | carols, can we also upload CV on gsoc account..? |
| 18:03.50 | carols | kkthecoder: upload or include? |
| 18:03.54 | carols | these are two different things. |
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| 18:04.13 | carols | you're welcome to cut and paste the text of your CV into the proposal area. |
| 18:04.20 | carols | but no, we don't accept uploads. |
| 18:04.34 | Crystallis | I don't think that is the most important thing though. |
| 18:04.51 | kkthecoder | carols, when we would be submitting the proposal then we can write the details there.. |
| 18:04.51 | carols | to be able to upload? |
| 18:05.00 | carols | kkthecoder: yep, you're more than welcome to. |
| 18:05.03 | Crystallis | It should be how well thought out and planned your proposal is and how it can help the org you are applying for. |
| 18:05.05 | scorche|sh | carols: will be done with my current meeting in 3-5 minutes |
| 18:05.16 | carols | scorche|sh: no problem, thanks |
| 18:05.43 | kkthecoder | carols, but where is the option of uploading.. ? |
| 18:05.54 | carols | kkthecoder: as i just said, we don't support uploads. |
| 18:05.56 | kkthecoder | i couldn't see it.. |
| 18:05.57 | carols | only copy and paste. |
| 18:06.06 | carols | indeed, you don't see it because it's not there. |
| 18:06.09 | kkthecoder | carols, okk.. |
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| 18:07.15 | kkthecoder | will new students get more chances..as compare to who already participated in gsoc previous years..? |
| 18:07.22 | carols | kkthecoder: more chances? |
| 18:07.30 | carols | everyone gets the equivalent number of chances... |
| 18:07.31 | carols | 1 |
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| 18:09.07 | kkthecoder | actually those who participated in prev. years they can also participate this year..as given in student mannual.. |
| 18:09.13 | kkthecoder | carols, |
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| 18:09.15 | carols | yes, indeed they can. |
| 18:09.20 | carols | and they apply just like everyone else. |
| 18:09.35 | scorche|sh | carols: hi - i am free now |
| 18:09.38 | daimrod | Hello, what happens if the initial goals were too ambitious and all goals aren't fulfilled for the midterm evaluation? I thought I had read something about it but I can't find it again. |
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| 18:10.16 | carols | daimrod: then you fail. |
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| 18:11.08 | daimrod | ok. |
| 18:11.21 | gevaerts | daimrod: it all depends. Make sure this isn't a sudden surprise for anyone, and make sure to work with your mentor to re-plan as needed |
| 18:11.33 | carols | you're nicer than i am, gevaerts :-) |
| 18:11.38 | carols | this is why i'm not a mentor. |
| 18:11.44 | gevaerts | carols: well, it all depends on *why* it's that way :) |
| 18:12.20 | gevaerts | There are definitely cases where it's a clear "fail" |
| 18:12.28 | carols | yes, indeed. |
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| 18:13.05 | carols | unfortunately my experience has been that passing a student at the midterm that you're not sure about but hope will pull it through almost never does. and then you end up failing them at the final anyway, and they're $2250 richer |
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| 18:14.02 | gevaerts | Oh, I agree |
| 18:14.08 | daimrod | yeah, I understand it's to avoid abuse. |
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| 18:14.34 | carols | and really, that's the fault of the mentor. they should have guided the student and helped him/her scope the project correctly from the get-go |
| 18:14.46 | gevaerts | Yes, in general |
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| 18:15.04 | gevaerts | But there are cases where a mentor can also be surprised by how difficult something turns out to be |
| 18:15.27 | carols | yes, this is true. |
| 18:15.35 | gevaerts | And in those cases, rethinking the goals can be the best thing to do |
| 18:15.53 | semmu | hi everyone! i have a small question: do i have to send somewhere a "standard statement of attendance" from my university? if yes, where? to google directly? or to the mentoring organization? |
| 18:16.00 | gevaerts | However, this is *not* something that should be a surprise around midterm |
| 18:16.14 | carols | semmu: you will send it to google when and if you're accepted. |
| 18:16.19 | carols | gevaerts: agreed. |
| 18:16.59 | semmu | @carols: thanks! and do i have to translate it, or is it okay if i send it in my nativa language? |
| 18:17.18 | carols | semmu: you will send it in your native language and include a translation. really, don't worry about this now. |
| 18:17.24 | carols | worry about making an excellent proposal. |
| 18:17.40 | semmu | okay, i was just curious :) |
| 18:17.44 | carols | :-) |
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| 18:21.15 | hornig | hi again, and I have another question |
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| 18:21.32 | carols | sure. |
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| 18:21.41 | carols | go ahead, hornig |
| 18:21.42 | hornig | I asked the mentor to apply for my organisation. he did, but where does his name pop up in the lists? |
| 18:21.43 | zamn | Would it be a bad idea to apply to apply to a project without having ever used that project? |
| 18:22.06 | carols | hornig: under My Connections I believe? |
| 18:22.19 | hornig | nothing there |
| 18:22.28 | carols | zamn: without having used it? no. without having ever talked to them or expressed interest in them? yes. |
| 18:22.33 | carols | hornig: #melange or the mailing list. |
| 18:22.54 | hornig | :) |
| 18:23.02 | carols | we're just bureaucrats in here. |
| 18:24.07 | zamn | carols: i dont actually see any mentors listed for this specific orgs project ideas. Is there any specific page on googles site i can go to to see them? |
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| 18:24.39 | carols | zamn: they may be an org that doesn't want you to contact specific mentors but rather the org at large. |
| 18:24.45 | carols | have you asked them what they prefer? |
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| 18:24.55 | dberkholz | hornig: under connections for my orgs |
| 18:25.06 | dberkholz | hornig: http://imgur.com/MW7GcGZ (not "my connections") |
| 18:25.44 | zamn | carols: I'm on their irc channel right now but no answers (yet). I guess I'll just stick around there and wait to see if anyone answers |
| 18:25.57 | carols | zamn: yep, patience is a great skill for gsoc. |
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| 18:55.23 | carols | refreshes the tea and coffee |
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| 18:55.29 | carols | it goes fast these days :-) |
| 18:55.35 | carols | so many people in here |
| 18:56.31 | gevaerts | drinks half of the tea |
| 18:56.43 | hariramsvnit | Is there any mentor who want someone to work on their project? |
| 18:56.44 | semmu | not that surprising :D |
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| 18:57.02 | carols | hariramsvnit: i'd recommend you speak to organizations directly instead of just asking in this channel. |
| 18:57.30 | hariramsvnit | carols: thanks :-) |
| 18:57.34 | carols | yw :-) |
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| 18:58.07 | banas | gevaerts was right. My mentor was super busy after all. Spoke to her now :D |
| 18:58.39 | carols | gevaerts is often right :-) |
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| 18:58.56 | banas | :) |
| 18:59.11 | gevaerts | It's just a matter of talking a lot, and let chance do its work :) |
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| 19:00.54 | banas | gevaerts: Yep. She asked me to continue bugging her. :D Huge relief after getting to talk in so much time! |
| 19:01.38 | dberkholz | it's funny how every year people continue to find new loopholes in the description of eligibility |
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| 19:02.00 | carols | it's amazing the things people come up with to ask. |
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| 19:02.32 | meflin | carols: what IF I found a duck to fly the tea .... would that then make an exception for X ? |
| 19:02.45 | carols | yep, sure would. |
| 19:02.46 | gevaerts | Have people ever tried a non-Gregorian calendar to get around the cut-off dates? |
| 19:02.50 | carols | and i'd like to see that. |
| 19:03.14 | meflin | hmm I guess now I just need to train a duck :) |
| 19:03.20 | gevaerts | sets up a gsoc advice stall to sell these idea to people |
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| 19:12.02 | gsocbot | roonyH: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 19:33.59 | carols | scorche: still there? |
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| 19:35.41 | scorche|sh | carols: at lunch currently - can it wait 45 min? |
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| 19:35.56 | carols | never mind actually :-) |
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| 19:36.01 | carols | i found a way around it |
| 19:36.17 | dberkholz | hardest part about being an org admin is convincing my new co-admins and mentors that they don't know it all |
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| 19:36.37 | carols | that's funny, dberkholz, that's my biggest problem being a program admin too. |
| 19:37.00 | dberkholz | carols: oh hey. that reminds me. i'll be speaking at osbc next week, will you be in SF sun night - tues |
| 19:37.23 | carols | 5/5 - 5/8? |
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| 19:37.34 | carols | or 4/28 - 4/30? |
| 19:37.36 | dberkholz | carols: no, 4/28-30 |
| 19:37.55 | carols | so, i will be in SF, but the GCI winners are in town for their grand prize trip |
| 19:38.01 | carols | so i'll be *very* indisposed' |
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| 19:38.50 | carols | so really no possibility of meeting, sorry, dberkholz. |
| 19:39.19 | dberkholz | even sunday night? darn. |
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| 19:41.39 | dberkholz | unfortunately it's GCI so i can't even offer to buy them beer. |
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| 19:41.59 | gevaerts | You can buy them tea and coffee! |
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| 19:42.15 | dberkholz | i'm busy during the days and i only drink depressants at night |
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| 19:42.31 | dberkholz | hmm. carols did you get the last 3 things i said? |
| 19:42.44 | carols | no, i didn't |
| 19:42.47 | carols | say them again :-) |
| 19:42.55 | dberkholz | carols: http://pastebin.com/J6YMNqjS |
| 19:43.00 | Uli- | is in sf may 19-26 |
| 19:43.17 | carols | yeah, sunday night i'm in MTV, actually |
| 19:43.24 | carols | we're having a little meet and greet that say. |
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| 19:43.36 | dberkholz | otay |
| 19:43.49 | carols | sorry :-( |
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| 19:44.04 | dberkholz | if GCI ends before 9 and you want something to do, lemme know =) |
| 19:44.14 | dberkholz | might be multiple people doing our open-source awesomeness thing |
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| 19:46.33 | banas | Had a question. If I write some meaningful code and send a pull request to the project admins, and they take a lot of time. Is that an open source contribution, or does it only count once it has been merged? |
| 19:46.56 | carols | dberkholz: cool, i will let you know :-) |
| 19:47.30 | carols | banas: did you ask the org what they consider it? |
| 19:48.30 | banas | Nope. It differs organization wise? Okay, I'll ask them :) |
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| 19:48.50 | dberkholz | carols: ideally via twitter. that's the only thing that makes my phone beep |
| 19:48.55 | gevaerts | banas: you should know by now that *everything* differs :) |
| 19:48.56 | carols | dberkholz: sure |
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| 19:49.45 | banas | gevaerts: Yes, now I am sure ;) |
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| 19:50.52 | gevaerts | Basically anything that's written in the official documents on the melange site is fixed and won't be deviated from, and that's *entirely* because otherwise nothing would be certain in gsoc |
| 19:51.28 | gevaerts | Everything else depends on the organisation, and while there will be general rules, there will be exceptions to all of them |
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| 20:08.11 | naidai | Hey! It's a bit quit here... :) |
| 20:08.18 | naidai | *quiet |
| 20:08.30 | carols | i know…i think everyone's working on their stellar proposals |
| 20:10.02 | MatthewWilkes | or otherwise plodding on with their work! |
| 20:11.36 | meflin | quiet is nice to sip your tea in :) |
| 20:12.18 | naidai | I have just started to look for a project today... |
| 20:13.00 | naidai | Well... this is harder than I expected. |
| 20:13.20 | gevaerts | It all depends on the methods you use! |
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| 20:14.28 | naidai | I'm a noob for this, that's the problem! :D |
| 20:15.25 | naidai | I'm about to finish the 4th semester in software engineering, but what they taught is pretty useless here. |
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| 20:15.43 | tomprince | banas: If pull-requests are what the projects use, then probably yes, somewhat. Often there will be several rounds of review+changes. If your pull request is waiting for review, then you are waiting on them, which they won't hold against you. |
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| 20:16.02 | carols | naidai: but think of all the useful things you're learning right now! |
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| 20:16.51 | banas | tomprince: Yep, pretty much what I thought too. |
| 20:17.32 | gevaerts | naidai: I'm sure it's not all useless, but it's true, you probaly didn't get many courses about large projects and collaborating in the open :) |
| 20:17.53 | naidai | They are useless at this point, exactly. :) |
| 20:18.12 | naidai | So I don't really know how to jump in. |
| 20:18.28 | gevaerts | First of all, have you seen the student guide? |
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| 20:18.34 | gevaerts | !studentguide | naidai |
| 20:18.34 | gsocbot | naidai: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 20:19.13 | naidai | Oh, I guess I haven't. |
| 20:19.33 | naidai | I'll read this asap. |
| 20:20.35 | naidai | Which means now. :D |
| 20:20.54 | semmu | hey, im in "big trouble" right now. im in continguous contact with a mentor about a project and he told me that nobody did contact him just me, so i think i have chance to get accepted but im afraid. should i attempt to involve into a second project and apply for 2 organizations? |
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| 20:21.41 | carols | semmu: you're afraid of submitting multiple applications? |
| 20:21.44 | gevaerts | semmu: if there's a second project you're interested in, and you feel you can make two excellent proposals, yes |
| 20:23.22 | MatthewWilkes | See also |
| 20:23.27 | MatthewWilkes | !chances | semmu |
| 20:23.27 | gsocbot | semmu: "chances" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
| 20:24.09 | semmu | hmm, okay. to be honest i found 13 projects interesting me (i mean i would do them, some of it pretty gladly, some of them because i could do them). i should choose a second one to attend to. |
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| 20:24.12 | gevaerts | Also, keep in mind that (a) (depending on the organisation) mentors may not have a good overview of all projects proposed to their organisation so you being the only one interested in this one idea/project may not mean much, and (b) it's early days yet, more students will appear |
| 20:24.49 | gevaerts | Of course all this only really means anything if your proposal is good :) |
| 20:25.16 | semmu | i see. okay, thansk for your replies, i will jump into a second one |
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| 20:38.51 | hellothere | hello |
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| 20:38.57 | carols | hellothere: hello |
| 20:39.06 | hellothere | anyone applied to gsoc 2013 yet? |
| 20:39.16 | carols | hellothere: lots of folks have. |
| 20:39.21 | carols | do you have questions we can answer? |
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| 20:48.06 | aps | hi carols. I see that we can make our application public. Where can we see other public applications? |
| 20:48.38 | carols | aps: you'd need to have the link to the application from the student. |
| 20:48.49 | carols | public simply means that if the person shares the URL others can see it. |
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| 20:49.15 | carols | if it's not public, even if you have the URL, if you're not a mentor or org admin for that org you can't see it. |
| 20:49.32 | carols | this is all explained in the melange user guide, too. |
| 20:49.36 | carols | sighs |
| 20:50.15 | aps | oh. I'm really sorry for troubling you. I missed this in user guide :/ |
| 20:50.20 | carols | it's fine. |
| 20:50.27 | carols | that's what i'm here for. |
| 20:50.55 | aps | :) |
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| 21:01.41 | oneone | Hi carols, I was on leave from school this year and I'm enrolled for the fall, but I'd just like to make sure that that I' |
| 21:01.47 | oneone | 'm still eligible for gsoc |
| 21:01.57 | carols | oneone: you're accepted into university now? |
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| 21:03.33 | oneone | yes, I did 3 years and took a year off. I will be attending in the fall. |
| 21:04.02 | carols | oneone: and your university will attest in writing to the fact you're accepted? |
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| 21:05.38 | oneone | carols, yes, they'll confirm I'm accepted and enrolled for the fall. |
| 21:05.43 | carols | great. |
| 21:05.54 | carols | then assuming you meet all the other eligibility criteria, you can apply. |
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| 21:23.05 | oneone | carols: sorry I missed responding, was reading up on projects. Thanks! |
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| 21:37.39 | Guest27373 | Hi |
| 21:37.54 | carols | hi Guest27373 |
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| 21:38.11 | naidai | How many students can a mentoring organization accept? |
| 21:38.35 | Guest27373 | It depends on their project ideas |
| 21:38.46 | naidai | How? |
| 21:39.02 | carols | naidai: up to the limit of slots they're allocated. |
| 21:39.17 | meflin | it also depends on the quality of the applications .... |
| 21:39.20 | naidai | How do I know how many slots they have? |
| 21:39.26 | carols | naidai: you ask them. |
| 21:39.30 | carols | after we allocate slots. |
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| 21:39.49 | carols | and they choose whether or not they want to share that info with you. |
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| 21:41.02 | gevaerts | !odds | naidai |
| 21:41.03 | gsocbot | naidai: "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
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| 21:41.19 | gevaerts | The number of slots probably doesn't really influence your chances |
| 21:41.36 | naidai | It could, let me explain. |
| 21:42.20 | naidai | This org has 6 ideas, 4 are serious and 2 are "fun". So priorities are clear. |
| 21:42.48 | meflin | I have never had to turn down an awesome student due to a lack of slots |
| 21:43.55 | naidai | I see. :) |
| 21:44.17 | carols | naidai: just focus on making yourself the most desirable candidate with the best proposal. |
| 21:44.25 | meflin | so be awesome :) |
| 21:44.26 | carols | and don't spend any energy worrying about slots any more :-) |
| 21:44.38 | gevaerts | meflin: I bet you have had to turn down students due to you disagreeing with them about how awesome they were though :) |
| 21:44.49 | norok2 | lol |
| 21:44.55 | Guest27373 | Is proposal title should be same as the ideas listed |
| 21:44.55 | Guest27373 | ? |
| 21:45.04 | gevaerts | Guest27373: no |
| 21:45.05 | carols | Guest27373: what did the org tell you? |
| 21:45.16 | meflin | gevaerts: well the last one was 44 years old ... |
| 21:45.32 | gevaerts | thinks he sees where meflin is going with that |
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| 21:46.35 | kblin | I only had to turn down students who had lousy proposals, and fail students who dropped out due to other commitments they didn't tell me about prior to starting the project |
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| 21:46.47 | Guest27373 | if i will change the title of project then how will mentoring organisation will identify in which project i am interested? |
| 21:46.48 | meflin | gevaerts: that one spent the interview telling the mentors how to do our jobs .... |
| 21:46.55 | carols | Guest27373: you ask them. |
| 21:47.08 | naidai | Will do! :) |
| 21:47.08 | Guest27373 | ok |
| 21:47.28 | gevaerts | Guest27373: you shouldn't just make up a title of course. Make sure it reflects the contents... |
| 21:47.28 | Guest27373 | i will ask them |
| 21:47.35 | gevaerts | meflin: fun :) |
| 21:47.53 | Guest27373 | i got it! |
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| 21:48.30 | kblin | meflin: and was the student correct |
| 21:48.32 | kblin | ? |
| 21:48.38 | naidai | Thank you guys for being positive, I need it! :D |
| 21:48.39 | gevaerts | :) |
| 21:48.57 | meflin | kblin: depends on if you think you should use PIK programing for systems projects |
| 21:49.14 | kblin | pik? |
| 21:49.48 | meflin | old mainframe stuff |
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| 21:50.19 | kblin | naidai: carols and meflin are right. if you're first on the list, you don't have to worry if the org gets 20 slots or 2 |
| 21:50.41 | gevaerts | Of course, if you plan on being fifth... |
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| 21:52.18 | k-joseph | hi, everyone, am kindly reqyesting to be guided on how to submit the student's application, any proposes links |
| 21:52.29 | naidai | True. I'll keep on looking for the project that is best suited for me and do everything I can. |
| 21:52.31 | k-joseph | will be glad receiving any |
| 21:52.47 | carols | k-joseph: google-melange.com |
| 21:52.58 | carols | click on the big "apply" button in the middle of the screen. |
| 21:53.12 | carols | and then read the melange manual if you have further issues. |
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| 22:04.38 | Jason___ | Hello? |
| 22:04.57 | Jason___ | Does anyone know the acceptance rate for last year's GSoC? |
| 22:05.20 | ojwb | !numapps | Jason___ |
| 22:05.21 | gsocbot | Jason___: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4258 students submitted 6685 proposals, of which 1212 were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 students submitted 5474 proposals, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 22:05.48 | ojwb | so 1212/4258 |
| 22:06.19 | Jason___ | wow Thanks! |
| 22:06.34 | ojwb | though there's a fairly thick seam of junk at the bottom end of that, so those aren't your chances of acceptance |
| 22:06.39 | Jason___ | gsocbot pretty cool... |
| 22:06.52 | carols | Jason___: you can thank kblin for that. |
| 22:07.02 | Jason___ | ya i see |
| 22:07.23 | Jason___ | thanks dude |
| 22:07.26 | ojwb | and his giant-skin boots |
| 22:07.39 | Jason___ | lol |
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| 22:10.57 | norok2 | !help |
| 22:10.58 | gsocbot | norok2: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 22:11.17 | norok2 | !help help |
| 22:11.18 | gsocbot | norok2: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 22:11.29 | norok2 | !help list |
| 22:11.29 | gsocbot | norok2: (list [--private] [<plugin>]) -- Lists the commands available in the given plugin. If no plugin is given, lists the public plugins available. If --private is given, lists the private plugins. |
| 22:11.35 | norok2 | !list |
| 22:11.36 | gsocbot | norok2: Admin, Channel, Config, Factoids, Gsoc, Misc, Owner, Services, and User |
| 22:11.52 | carols | norok2: please feel free to use the gsocbot all you want in a PM. |
| 22:11.54 | gevaerts | !botabuse | norok2 |
| 22:11.55 | gsocbot | norok2: "botabuse" is (#1) If you want to play with the bot, please do so in a private /query so as not to spam the channel, or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> |
| 22:12.08 | norok2 | sorry |
| 22:13.31 | norok2 | (maybe you could add that to help command :-D) |
| 22:15.01 | ojwb | i think "help" is handled by the underlying bot framework (supybot or something like that IIRC) |
| 22:15.06 | ojwb | so that may be harder to change |
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| 22:17.18 | ojwb | !learn help as You can /query me to avoid spamming the channel - when in query, use: whatis #gsoc <factoid> |
| 22:17.19 | gsocbot | ojwb: "help" is You can /query me to avoid spamming the channel - when in query, use: whatis #gsoc <factoid> |
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| 22:17.25 | ojwb | interesting |
| 22:17.29 | ojwb | !help |
| 22:17.29 | gsocbot | ojwb: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 22:17.38 | ojwb | ah, yeah |
| 22:18.29 | kblin | !whatis help | ojwb |
| 22:18.30 | gsocbot | ojwb: "help" is You can /query me to avoid spamming the channel - when in query, use: whatis #gsoc <factoid> |
| 22:19.08 | ojwb | kblin: sure, but people asking it for help aren't likely to know to use that |
| 22:20.04 | kblin | right, as soon as someone tells me how to deactivate the silly help command so the "command not found" handler can fall back to trying whatis <command>, we can fix that |
| 22:20.13 | kblin | I haven't found out how to do this |
| 22:20.38 | meflin | kblin: gsoc project :) |
| 22:20.45 | kblin | I even tried writing a custom plugin to provide a !help command that'd forward to !whatis help |
| 22:20.55 | kblin | but !help seems to be pretty low-level |
| 22:21.39 | meflin | based on my ancient exp with eggy's there is no hope for help other then a mess with the code |
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| 22:47.28 | nik__ | Do I need to put my name, address, and phone in my proposal form, or can the organizations already see this information? |
| 22:47.51 | carols | nik__: yes, the org can see that, and you should only put it in if 1) you're comfortable doing so and 2) they asked for it |
| 22:48.13 | carols | if you're not comfortable and they asked you for it you should tell them to contact you using the comments on the proposal. |
| 22:48.26 | nik__ | carols: you mean can or can't? |
| 22:48.34 | carols | nik__: i mean it's your choice. |
| 22:49.05 | nik__ | carols: Ok, I'm just filling in Name and Phone#. |
| 22:49.12 | carols | that's a good idea. |
| 22:49.27 | nik__ | Is there a way to preview it before submitting? |
| 22:49.34 | carols | nik__: nope |
| 22:49.52 | nik__ | Well it can still be edited after submitting right? |
| 22:50.00 | meflin | yep |
| 22:50.01 | carols | yes, until the deadline |
| 22:50.09 | nik__ | Ok, that's what I'll do then. |
| 22:50.17 | nik__ | Thanks |
| 22:50.21 | carols | yw |
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| 22:53.51 | smcgregor | Howdy, I am an admin for the Privly Foundation, and I am having trouble inviting a mentor |
| 22:54.08 | carols | smcgregor: try #melange or the mailing list. |
| 22:54.24 | smcgregor | ok, thanks! |
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