| 00:05.49 | cpolymeris | hello |
| 00:06.04 | cpolymeris | do you know if there is any way to edit the proposal's markup? (HTML?) |
| 00:06.25 | cpolymeris | my proposal looks bad, the formatting is a mess |
| 00:08.20 | hratsimihah | cpolymeris: have you tried clicking on HTML? |
| 00:08.48 | cpolymeris | ty, hratsimihah |
| 00:08.55 | hratsimihah | np. |
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| 00:17.54 | fpetkovski | hi |
| 00:23.10 | fpetkovski | I'm unable to submit my proposal |
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| 00:25.45 | schumaml | fpetkovski: why? |
| 00:27.55 | fpetkovski | schumaml, I get Error 324 (net::ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE): The server closed the connection without sending any data. |
| 00:28.03 | fpetkovski | after I press the submit button |
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| 00:30.06 | hratsimihah | Could the servers be overloaded? |
| 00:30.18 | hratsimihah | I have no problems updating my proposal |
| 00:30.35 | fpetkovski | it could be |
| 00:31.02 | fpetkovski | is there someone I can send an email to? |
| 00:31.03 | laurion | how can I reach python-core IRC? |
| 00:31.22 | laurion | gsoc-python doesn't exist, python says unregistered |
| 00:32.12 | laurion | #python redirects to #python-unregistered, and I can't send messages |
| 00:34.02 | carldani | laurion: AFAIK you need to register your nickname on freenode before you can talk in #python |
| 00:34.30 | hratsimihah | My nickname is registered but I have the same issue. |
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| 00:35.08 | ojwb | did you log in as well as registering? |
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| 00:36.17 | ojwb | hratsimihah, laurion: neither of you are logged in (according to /wii) |
| 00:36.22 | Triskelios | hratsimihah, you need to /msg nickserv identify <password> |
| 00:36.38 | Triskelios | /wii? :) |
| 00:36.57 | ojwb | Triskelios: /wii <username> |
| 00:37.22 | ojwb | possibly it's an alias in my client |
| 00:38.09 | Triskelios | yeah, that seems to be an xchat thing |
| 00:38.33 | ojwb | seems to map to /whois with the argument repeated |
| 00:38.51 | Triskelios | that gives you additional fields like idle time |
| 00:39.43 | ojwb | it's not just xchat, irssi has it too, FWIW |
| 00:40.15 | ojwb | anyway, the issue is they aren't logged in |
| 00:40.35 | laurion | thank you |
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| 00:40.54 | laurion | you are so helpful :) |
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| 01:05.46 | chro | can I edit my proposal after submitting ? |
| 01:06.01 | tomprince | Until the deadline. |
| 01:06.04 | chro | ok |
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| 01:08.24 | tnkhanh | oh, today is the deadline |
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| 01:10.59 | gary_b | tomprince: you sure about that? |
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| 01:21.18 | elcot | hi i am new to gsoc. guide me |
| 01:21.43 | elcot | i have no idea abt working in git |
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| 01:22.51 | chro | what should I put in the short description, is there any example out there? |
| 01:22.54 | dfighter | elcot Google is your best friend! There are over 9000 guides for it ;) |
| 01:23.08 | dfighter | chro the short decsription of what you want to do... |
| 01:23.23 | dfighter | description even :) |
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| 01:23.43 | chro | should I even mention my background? |
| 01:24.13 | dfighter | chro in the short description of what you want to do? :D |
| 01:24.29 | chro | yes |
| 01:24.40 | dfighter | chro read it again please |
| 01:24.49 | dfighter | short description of what you want to DO |
| 01:24.50 | chro | ok |
| 01:24.54 | dfighter | not who you are |
| 01:25.11 | chro | but what I want entails what I need to do to accomplish it? |
| 01:25.25 | chro | because what I want to do is already described in the idea description |
| 01:25.55 | dfighter | short desctiption is a summary |
| 01:26.05 | dfighter | description* |
| 01:26.29 | chro | is there any example that I can see? |
| 01:27.03 | dfighter | lol |
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| 01:27.38 | parfor | Behold! Winter is Coming! |
| 01:27.56 | parfor | Brace Yourselves |
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| 01:31.54 | nurupo | !next |
| 01:31.55 | gsocbot | nurupo: "next" is May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline. ( Countdown at http://tinyurl.com/cg526v7 ) |
| 01:34.05 | chro | strange. I just submitted my proposal without filling any personal information |
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| 01:34.47 | chro | ok, never mind |
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| 04:18.12 | Mayur | Hello I have onq question |
| 04:18.16 | Mayur | one |
| 04:18.46 | Crystallis | ? |
| 04:18.56 | Mayur | My timezone is IST. So when I go to this link and select May 3 19.00 Timezone |
| 04:19.13 | Mayur | http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/ |
| 04:19.18 | Crystallis | !next |
| 04:19.20 | gsocbot | Crystallis: "next" is May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline. ( Countdown at http://tinyurl.com/cg526v7 ) |
| 04:19.23 | Crystallis | Use the link above. |
| 04:19.57 | Crystallis | That is still in terms of UTC time. |
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| 04:22.22 | ojwb | or just look on the front page of google-melange.com |
| 04:22.52 | Crystallis | I have a question though about the judging process. |
| 04:23.35 | Crystallis | How do you know how your proposal is ranked compared to others and if you got accepted? Is that handled via something like comments on the proposal? |
| 04:23.54 | Crystallis | And for getting accepted, I supposed they would contact you privately about it, the mentor/org? |
| 04:23.55 | ojwb | you'll get an email when the results are announced that says whether you got in or not |
| 04:24.09 | ojwb | you won't know how it was ranked |
| 04:24.21 | Crystallis | The ranking stuff and etc are all internal and such by each org's standard, right? |
| 04:24.25 | ojwb | depending on the org, there may not be a ranking |
| 04:24.26 | Mayur | Thanks a lot to all. |
| 04:24.27 | ojwb | indeed |
| 04:24.33 | Mayur | prob solved. |
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| 05:44.31 | iRaghu | Well, the proposals get automatically submitted today or there is a process for that to? |
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| 05:59.33 | unimauro | Hi all |
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| 05:59.54 | josko | Hello unimauro. |
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| 06:00.42 | unimauro | I can send any proposals, more than 5 |
| 06:00.45 | unimauro | ¿? |
| 06:01.15 | iRaghu | unimauro: I don't think so.. |
| 06:01.25 | unimauro | iRaghu: ok only 5 |
| 06:01.27 | unimauro | :S |
| 06:01.42 | iRaghu | unimauro: less is good, I feel. ;) |
| 06:01.42 | azi` | how come you want to apply to so many projects? |
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| 06:01.45 | unimauro | last year was more than 5 :S. Ok don't problem |
| 06:02.23 | unimauro | iRaghu: I think so less 5 is better too, by i recently hack a code and well don't problem :) |
| 06:02.38 | iRaghu | Anyway, the proposals are just to be filled up. They get locked / whatever happens today automatically ? Asking.. |
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| 06:08.20 | kblin | iRaghu: yes |
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| 06:08.36 | iRaghu | kblin: thanks, had to confirm ;) |
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| 06:12.25 | perepujal1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.56 | azi` | does it happen that some students gets to know they are chosen in advance? |
| 06:14.06 | azi` | or is this not possible at all since even mentors do not know that? |
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| 06:14.47 | Crystallis | There is no kind of preferable treatment with the judging of the proposals. |
| 06:14.55 | Crystallis | Think they are all handed out at once. |
| 06:15.13 | josko | But is it possible for an indivdual to know the result before the 27.5.? |
| 06:15.20 | josko | Theoretically speaking. |
| 06:15.23 | azi` | like a mentor telling you that |
| 06:16.57 | kblin | the allocations are official the moment google starts sending out the emails |
| 06:17.15 | kblin | everything before that is guesswork |
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| 06:20.05 | siddharth | anyone here? |
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| 06:22.20 | kblin | I guess so |
| 06:22.21 | siddharth | we can submit only 5 proposals this time? |
| 06:22.26 | kblin | yes |
| 06:22.46 | siddharth | I want to remove my proposal from one organization and submit different proposal to another organization |
| 06:22.55 | elixir | 'only' ? |
| 06:22.55 | siddharth | but all my 5 slots are full |
| 06:22.59 | siddharth | how to do it |
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| 06:23.19 | kblin | not sure if that's possible |
| 06:23.33 | siddharth | thats bad |
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| 06:24.49 | siddharth | should I use different email id :P |
| 06:25.05 | kblin | siddharth: that's in violation of the terms of service, I suppose |
| 06:25.17 | siddharth | ohh i see |
| 06:25.34 | kblin | read them, I don't know |
| 06:25.40 | azi` | just out of couriosity... is participating in GSOC taxted in usa? |
| 06:25.50 | |Kev| | It's clearly against the intent. |
| 06:25.51 | siddharth | but they should have this functionality if they are restricting the number of proposals |
| 06:26.04 | kblin | why? |
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| 06:26.13 | |Kev| | azi`: No-one here can advise you on tax matters, but it's income same as other jobs. |
| 06:26.28 | azi` | |Kev|: i am not in US, asking just out of couriosity |
| 06:26.37 | |Kev| | siddharth: I think 'should' here is that students shouldn't submit proposals and waste mentor time if they don't want to do the projects. |
| 06:27.10 | kblin | siddharth: and of course melange is open source and I guess patches are welcome |
| 06:27.34 | siddharth | students are interested in different projects and they want to get selected in any one of them |
| 06:27.50 | siddharth | this also increases the chances of getting in |
| 06:28.03 | kblin | !odds | siddharth |
| 06:28.03 | gsocbot | siddharth: "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
| 06:28.10 | |Kev| | It decreases it, actually, but odds aren't really like that. |
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| 06:28.38 | siddharth | decrease how? |
| 06:28.52 | kblin | In all of GSoC so far, I've only seen one person who managed to get more than two high-quality proposals in that got accepted |
| 06:29.02 | |Kev| | Each extra org you apply for lowers the quality of your proposals. |
| 06:29.03 | azi` | indicating you want more to get in than really contribute something menaingful to a project you care |
| 06:29.36 | azi` | kblin: that means that someone managed to participate in 2 projects concurently? |
| 06:29.39 | |Kev| | Students are unlikely to build relationships and submit meaningful patches to fix different orgs. Possible, but unlikely. |
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| 06:30.02 | kblin | azi`: no, you can only ever be accepted by one org |
| 06:30.10 | siddharth | i submitted 10 previous year still got selected :P |
| 06:30.40 | |Kev| | That doesn't counter anything I said. |
| 06:31.06 | azi` | heh |
| 06:31.16 | siddharth | "Each extra org you apply for lowers the quality of your proposals". |
| 06:31.18 | siddharth | how? |
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| 06:31.39 | |Kev| | The time you spend on application X you could have spent improving application X-1 |
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| 06:32.25 | siddharth | well i started way before and had time for each application and get in contact with each mentor |
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| 06:32.45 | iRaghu | Just Asking.. though I have applied in one org for people applying in multiple orgs mentors of each org know that they applied in other orgs also? |
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| 06:33.00 | |Kev| | iRaghu: They're not directly told. |
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| 06:33.10 | |Kev| | Often they find out. |
| 06:33.47 | kblin | actually we are told by the time the slot allocations are finalized |
| 06:33.56 | kblin | and it's a pain to sort this out. |
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| 06:33.59 | iRaghu | |Kev|: So, its not like they can open the student's profile and see where and what they have applied |
| 06:34.05 | |Kev| | kblin: They're not directly told /that they applied to several/. |
| 06:34.14 | kblin | oh, right |
| 06:34.21 | siddharth | this time slot allocations will be made public? |
| 06:34.29 | |Kev| | siddharth: They always are. |
| 06:34.44 | azi` | what is that precisely? |
| 06:34.47 | kblin | if you'd be accepted into multiple orgs, the orgs that'd accept you will be told which other org accepted you |
| 06:34.51 | siddharth | so we can directly ask the orgs |
| 06:35.08 | kblin | iRaghu: no, that we don't see |
| 06:35.16 | kblin | whoops, time to get to work |
| 06:35.28 | |Kev| | siddharth: The slot allocations are final at the time the students are accepted. |
| 06:35.45 | iRaghu | aah okay. thanks kblin :) |
| 06:35.46 | siddharth | i mean the number of slots per org |
| 06:35.53 | |Kev| | So do I. |
| 06:36.09 | siddharth | so what is on 8th may? |
| 06:36.14 | |Kev| | The number of students each org has isn't final until the dedup meeting. |
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| 06:36.28 | siddharth | tentative slots? |
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| 06:36.42 | |Kev| | The tentative counts usually aren't public. |
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| 06:37.09 | siddharth | so basically we wont be knowing the number of slots per org on 8th may |
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| 06:51.16 | mr- | Hi, is the contact information given in the melange profile visible those mentor organisations I applied to? |
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| 07:10.06 | mr- | Or is it necessary to include that in the proposal? |
| 07:10.38 | |Kev| | In past years it hasn't been, so I'd say it's safest to include any information you want the org to have in the application. |
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| 07:12.18 | mr- | Ok, thanks |
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| 07:49.15 | markholland | If I get constructive criticism on my proposal from the org do you guys think that is a good or bad sign? |
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| 07:51.49 | perepujal | markholland: should be a good sign, then is up to you to improve your proposal |
| 07:52.28 | markholland | perepujal:Of course, thanks for the reply |
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| 08:00.50 | Uli- | good morning my fellow gsoc enthusiasts! |
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| 08:17.26 | pcoder | Hi, Could someone tell me if there is a confirmation to a submission of a proposal? I have not received it. |
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| 08:18.04 | olly | pcoder: there's no email - you can check your dashboard to see if it's there |
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| 08:21.10 | kai | and if there was an email, you probably wouldn't be told what it was about this year </rant> |
| 08:21.50 | iRaghu | we can't edit our proposal after today, right? |
| 08:22.02 | iRaghu | or we can? |
| 08:23.23 | pcoder | olly: But, I don't seen anything on my dashboard too. |
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| 08:24.10 | pcoder | There's something called "List my submitted proposals": But its empty! |
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| 08:28.23 | nurupo | !next |
| 08:28.24 | gsocbot | nurupo: "next" is May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline. ( Countdown at http://tinyurl.com/cg526v7 ) |
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| 08:47.47 | olly | pcoder_: i guess you didn't manage to submit it |
| 08:48.02 | David_Honeynet | iRaghu: student proposals submitted to Melange are locked at 19:00 UTC. You can edit until then |
| 08:48.08 | olly | you could ask in #melange - they may be able to see if there's any track of it |
| 08:48.27 | David_Honeynet | you should be able to see any submitted proposals in your Melange dashboard |
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| 08:49.56 | olly | David_Honeynet: yeah, we checked that already |
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| 09:14.12 | jsinghdreams | hi |
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| 09:17.28 | kitlomajama | hello |
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| 09:17.43 | kitlomajama | Anyone here from NEScent? |
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| 09:18.56 | Guillaume_ | kitlomajama, you don't have a dedicated channel for NEScent? |
| 09:19.18 | kitlomajama | Guillaume_: I am not sure, do you? |
| 09:19.42 | Guillaume_ | most of GSoC organizations have a dedicated channel |
| 09:20.20 | kitlomajama | Guillaume_: well, their wiki doesn't indicate that fact http://informatics.nescent.org/wiki/Phyloinformatics_Summer_of_Code_2013#Contact_information |
| 09:20.26 | kitlomajama | Guillaume_: but thanks anyway |
| 09:24.21 | Guillaume_ | perhaps #phylosoc, that was the channel for NEScent last year |
| 09:24.31 | Guillaume_ | KirarinSnow-pyon, ^ |
| 09:24.39 | Guillaume_ | kitlomajama, ^ |
| 09:24.52 | kitlomajama | Guillaume_: thanks |
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| 10:36.31 | sumanah | hello GSoC students. Anyone need last-minute feedback on their proposals? |
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| 10:37.14 | josko | Oh oh, me me! |
| 10:38.03 | sumanah | josko: sure. link? |
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| 10:38.33 | jojva | sumanah, mine is https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/jojva/12001 |
| 10:38.35 | josko | https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/josko/1 |
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| 10:38.41 | sumanah | ok, josko first |
| 10:38.51 | jojva | no pb ;) |
| 10:39.14 | sumanah | josko: first off, please be consistent in your capitalization: "Wine" throughout if that is the official name of the project |
| 10:39.49 | sumanah | josko: basically, first I'm going to mention polish-related things that are distracting to a reader and easy to fix |
| 10:39.50 | josko | Well, I "Wine project" is the name, wine is the actual compatility layer. |
| 10:40.03 | josko | I was thinking* |
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| 10:40.17 | sumanah | "Aim of this project is" - here you want to use the definite article and say "The aim of this project is" |
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| 10:40.34 | sumanah | josko: hmm. Check your project's style guide. There probably is a glossary or official style guide for this sort of thing |
| 10:41.04 | sumanah | similarly for "Goal of this project is" - should be "The goal of this project is" |
| 10:41.50 | marius1309 | can I edit a proposal after the deadline ? |
| 10:41.52 | sumanah | "Currently the control panel in wine counts 3 applets." This sounds as though all the control panel does is sit there saying "one, two, three" - counting applets. |
| 10:41.53 | sumanah | marius1309: no |
| 10:42.03 | sumanah | marius1309: however you can continue communicating with mentors after the deadline |
| 10:42.14 | kai | josko: I think most people spell it with a capital W to avoid mix ups with the drink |
| 10:42.20 | marius1309 | ok |
| 10:42.30 | sumanah | marius1309: if your mentors are flexible, then they can talk with you and modify their understanding of your project |
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| 10:43.12 | jojva | sumanah, i'll probably be eating when you're finished with josko, we'll do it another time maybe |
| 10:43.16 | sumanah | josko: "Users will then be able to see their current IP address, list of the fonts available, configure their proxy etc." this breaks parallelism. When you have a list like this, either all the items should be verbs or all of them should be nouns |
| 10:43.23 | sumanah | jojva: how long do you have? |
| 10:43.30 | sumanah | jojva: if your time is limited I can switch to you |
| 10:43.45 | jojva | no no don't worry i'm quite confident with my proposal |
| 10:44.17 | sumanah | josko: you don't have enough testing and merge time in there |
| 10:44.39 | sumanah | jojva: you need more links |
| 10:45.22 | jojva | sumanah, links to ? |
| 10:45.24 | sumanah | jojva: well, "need" is strong - if you've filed bug reports, posted to public mailing lists, taught trainings, etc., anything like that showing your open source involvement, link to them |
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| 10:45.29 | sumanah | "at least from monday to friday" - capitalize days of the week |
| 10:45.50 | jojva | sumanah, haha i've already been told that. same for months |
| 10:46.18 | sumanah | jojva: you have not allotted nearly enough time for testing, bugfixing, writing documentation, and merge and fixing merge conflicts |
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| 10:46.29 | gevaerts | That rule has been the same for *years*, not just months! |
| 10:46.44 | sumanah | gevaerts: don't confuse him/her |
| 10:46.51 | jojva | haha |
| 10:46.55 | sumanah | jojva: "in french" French |
| 10:46.57 | gevaerts | Yes, you're right. Sorry! :) |
| 10:47.17 | sumanah | "afficionado" 1 f |
| 10:47.19 | jojva | sumanah, testing and bugfixing is quite all over the place |
| 10:47.23 | jojva | sumanah, yep |
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| 10:48.05 | sumanah | jojva: Then you need to explicitly state that you'll test, bugfix, and polish at each stage and be merging at the end of each 2-week increment |
| 10:48.44 | jojva | sumanah, thanks for the help :) going to eat now |
| 10:48.48 | sumanah | jojva: you should address a11y - accessibility - what resources will you consult to check that the interface you design is accessible to people with disabilities? |
| 10:48.50 | jojva | (been very helpful) |
| 10:49.09 | jojva | sumanah, wow very good point |
| 10:49.18 | jojva | haven't even thought about that |
| 10:49.20 | sumanah | jojva: in my opinion your confidence in your proposal is slightly misplaced |
| 10:49.21 | jojva | will do |
| 10:49.43 | sumanah | jojva: accessibility, internationalisation/localization, and security are often things new open source programmers forget |
| 10:49.50 | jojva | i meant maybe josko needed more than i |
| 10:50.04 | sumanah | also performance, and making time for testing, bugfixing, merging, and what KIND of docs to write |
| 10:50.13 | sumanah | end user manual? code walkthrough for future developers to use? |
| 10:51.07 | sumanah | "I have tried to add a few enhancements for Banshee music player. It is written in C# and uses GTK#, which taught me how to use these technologies, besides using MonoDevelop software to edit code." you may as well link to those patches even if you never merged them |
| 10:51.11 | sumanah | ok, happy eating jojva |
| 10:51.15 | sumanah | josko: back to you! |
| 10:51.28 | jojva | thanks sukhe |
| 10:51.31 | sumanah | "Write tests if need be." josko what kinds of tests? |
| 10:51.33 | jojva | thanks sumanah * |
| 10:51.35 | sumanah | :-) |
| 10:51.58 | josko | Seeing Wine is a TDD project, I assume some tests might be needed, but the existing applets don't seem to have them. |
| 10:52.42 | sumanah | josko: ok. do you know what TDD stands for? if so, why are you only writing the tests last? |
| 10:52.46 | sumanah | :) |
| 10:53.29 | josko | I know what it is but they're seems like their optional so I've put them last. |
| 10:53.34 | josko | it seems* |
| 10:53.57 | sumanah | I think what you're saying is "it seems like they're optional" - why do you get that impression? |
| 10:54.19 | josko | Existing applets don't have them. And my functionality isn't all that great. |
| 10:54.22 | sumanah | josko: in test-driven development you write the tests first. |
| 10:54.44 | sumanah | josko: It's better to try to do things the right way even if previous people didn't do things the right way. |
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| 10:55.30 | sumanah | I'm not a TDD zealot but I understand why people adhere to the methodology. It helps ensure that you don't get regressions when other people start modifying your work starting on October 1st :) |
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| 10:55.38 | sumanah | It makes your work more robust |
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| 10:56.36 | sumanah | With unit tests, as with localisation, your life as a developer is a lot better if you start out doing the right thing; if you wait till later, you incur technical debt that accrues a kind of "interest" and is harder to "pay off" |
| 10:58.09 | sumanah | josko: so, I advise that you explicitly state in your proposal that you will be writing unit tests along with every stage of your work -- and that at the end of each two-week period you will be merging your branch with master and fixing post-merge conflicts |
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| 10:58.48 | sumanah | josko: "Possibly there will be a preview right next to the list which will enable users to directly see how it looks on a small text example." you may as well make a mockup and include it in your proposal |
| 10:59.03 | sumanah | josko: is there a design team within the Wine project? |
| 10:59.27 | josko | I am not sure, haven't got that impression from the months I've been following them. |
| 10:59.44 | sumanah | josko: who will design your icons? will it be you? is there a style guide or some similar document to help you understand what icons should look like? |
| 11:01.23 | josko | Alas I have no answer to that particular question. |
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| 11:01.52 | sumanah | josko: then you should state as part of your proposal that you would investigate that issue - perhaps during the community bonding period |
| 11:03.07 | sumanah | josko: " |
| 11:03.08 | sumanah | First milestone would be getting the first applet up and running which would be the biggest hurdle. Completing this milestone will mean" - I think you have left a sentence unfinished there. |
| 11:03.26 | sumanah | "Fourth milestone would be improving the IE control applet and finish with the regular applet coding and the start of cleaning up after myself." Again you are breaking parallelism here. |
| 11:04.23 | sumanah | You should add an explicit mention of the 3D tester applet to your summary josko - it was surprising and confusing when that popped up in the detailed plan |
| 11:04.24 | kai | sumanah: I think the general approach in Wine is to use bad programmer art until some graphically inclined user feels shamed into providing a better icon.. at least it was a couple of years back ;) |
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| 11:04.58 | josko | That's the impression I got from the git log since joy.cpl only got its new icon in 1.5..28.... |
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| 11:05.41 | sumanah | josko: http://thenounproject.com/ http://design.okfn.org/2013/05/02/opendesignyearone/ there is now an open source design community you can contact |
| 11:05.54 | sumanah | we can do things better than we did them before :-) |
| 11:06.26 | josko | Can I get a little timeout to sort the current issues ? :D |
| 11:06.32 | josko | This is most helpful. |
| 11:06.47 | josko | sort out* |
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| 11:06.58 | sumanah | josko: Sure. Good luck! |
| 11:07.27 | sumanah | Anyone else want some criticism to help them improve their GSoC proposal? |
| 11:07.41 | sachin_h | What exactly is a deliverable? What is the deliverable of a month full of research and learning? |
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| 11:08.00 | sumanah | sachin_h: a deliverable is the tangible result of work. |
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| 11:08.21 | sumanah | sachin_h: Perhaps you could deliver a presentation or blog post or tutorial as the product of that research and learning. |
| 11:09.00 | sumanah | sachin_h: You could do a presentation over IRC or videoconference, in which you discuss your findings and thus share your learning with the rest of your open source community. |
| 11:09.23 | sumanah | That way it's not just you benefiting - it's several people |
| 11:09.57 | sachin_h | oh, okay. So, what exactly should I write "deliverable: a blog post describing the research" ? |
| 11:10.21 | sumanah | sachin_h: By the way this is the kind of thing your mentor can often help with |
| 11:11.13 | sumanah | sachin_h: my recommendation is to say something like "deliverable: a research summary posted on my blog, as well as a fifteen-minute presentation via IRC" |
| 11:11.45 | sachin_h | ah, that sounds better :) |
| 11:12.07 | sumanah | sachin_h: have you ever written a summary of research before? one term is "literature review" |
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| 11:12.46 | sumanah | a "lit review" is where you look at published papers and books on a topic and summarize what they say and compare them in case they disagree (I am oversimplifying) |
| 11:13.20 | sachin_h | Nope. I haven't. |
| 11:13.23 | sachin_h | Oh, I see. |
| 11:13.41 | sumanah | sachin_h: ok. The first time you do something like this it is easy to get lost and disheartened |
| 11:14.45 | kai | oh, we got the first "I didn't have time to do any research" proposal |
| 11:14.49 | sumanah | sachin_h: it may really help you to look up examples of lit reviews so you know what they look like and can understand what purpose they serve. Sometimes seeing an example of an end result LIKE the one you want to make is really helpful |
| 11:16.19 | iRaghu | is the time limit today about not submitting any more proposals or we cant even alter our proposals thereafter? |
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| 11:16.31 | sachin_h | hmm. Yes. I should do that. Mine would be more of experimentation rather than going over published material. |
| 11:16.38 | sumanah | sachin_h: http://writingcenter.unc.edu/handouts/literature-reviews/ (how to write one in academia) https://www.lib.ncsu.edu/tutorials/lit-review/ (video) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literature_review |
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| 11:16.56 | sumanah | iRaghu: you cannot alter your proposal within Melange after today's deadline and you cannot submit a new proposal after the deadline. |
| 11:17.29 | kai | iRaghu: you can keep taling to the mentors via the feedback system, but you can't alter the proposal |
| 11:17.33 | sumanah | iRaghu: if you think your proposal might need changing after the deadline, please alert your mentor and you and your mentor can discuss things after the deadline |
| 11:17.54 | iRaghu | but the proposal on the melange can't change, right? |
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| 11:18.26 | sumanah | sachin_h: ah okay, if you're not really reading that much but instead you are doing a lot of exploring and experimenting, it's going to be helpful for you to have a research notebook, and to keep your hypothesis in mind |
| 11:18.32 | sachin_h | kai, what were you referring to? |
| 11:18.46 | kai | sachin_h: ? |
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| 11:18.58 | iRaghu | aah, I got it. thanks guys. |
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| 11:19.07 | sachin_h | kai: When you said: "oh, we got the first "I didn't have time to do any research" proposal". |
| 11:19.28 | sachin_h | sumanah: alright. |
| 11:19.43 | kai | ah, one of the orgs I admin for got a proposal that basically said "hi, I'm motivated, pick me!" |
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| 11:20.20 | sachin_h | ah, alright. sorry :) |
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| 11:20.42 | OsakaFoo | kai: Choosing them? They are motivated :) |
| 11:21.28 | kai | OsakaFoo: right... |
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| 11:22.55 | sumanah | !slots | harshkothari |
| 11:22.55 | gsocbot | harshkothari: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations |
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| 11:25.13 | sachin_h | sumanah: thank you for the help |
| 11:25.18 | sumanah | sachin_h: Glad to help. |
| 11:25.31 | sumanah | Any students want last-minute feedback to help them improve their proposals? |
| 11:26.39 | josko | Sweet, I think I have fixed most of my issues now :) Thank you sumanah once again. |
| 11:26.57 | sumanah | Glad to help josko - have you heard the saying "pay it forward"? |
| 11:27.17 | josko | Of course, many times actually. |
| 11:27.22 | josko | I will do my best, I promise. |
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| 11:28.05 | sumanah | Thanks! |
| 11:28.19 | rihnapstor | sumanah: still 7 hours,30 minutes remaining :) |
| 11:28.38 | sumanah | rihnapstor: I knew that my colloquialism would make someone turn pedantic. |
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| 11:29.05 | rihnapstor | what you mean ? sumanah |
| 11:29.08 | sachin_h | sumanah: May I PM you? |
| 11:29.29 | sumanah | rihnapstor: Do you know the meanings of the words I used? |
| 11:29.42 | rihnapstor | absolutely no :) sumanah |
| 11:29.43 | sumanah | sachin_h: you may, although if your issue isn't really private I will suggest we talk in public so others can be helped :) |
| 11:29.48 | sumanah | rihnapstor: then look them up. :) |
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| 11:30.30 | rihnapstor | why dont you just tell ? |
| 11:30.31 | rihnapstor | :) |
| 11:30.51 | sumanah | !lmgtfy |
| 11:31.24 | kai | !this cookie | sachin_h |
| 11:31.25 | gsocbot | sachin_h: "this cookie" is for you |
| 11:31.27 | sumanah | rihnapstor: A good open source citizen tries to use existing resources before using someone else's time. |
| 11:31.28 | kai | er |
| 11:31.32 | kai | !this cookie | sumanah |
| 11:31.33 | gsocbot | sumanah: "this cookie" is for you |
| 11:31.59 | kai | readline really needs a "do what I mean"-completion |
| 11:32.04 | sumanah | haha! |
| 11:32.25 | sumanah | kai: I accept the cookie as tasty. Should I read any particular positive, negative, or humorous implication as well? |
| 11:32.34 | sachin_h | kai: What was that? :) |
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| 11:34.23 | kai | sumanah: I was going for the positive reinforcement part :) |
| 11:34.56 | kai | sachin_h: my IRC client and me had a slight disagreement on who was supposed to be s<tab> |
| 11:34.58 | sumanah | Thank you kai, that is kind (kaind?) of you |
| 11:36.41 | kai | :) |
| 11:37.29 | kai | sumanah: In any case, thanks for your work on giving feedback to people here, I'm sure it's much appreciated |
| 11:37.55 | sumanah | Thank you kai, I am glad to hear you say that, I was worried that I was spamming |
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| 11:38.41 | Raydiation | any open suse people here? wondering how many slots will be possible for owncloud |
| 11:39.08 | kai | !anyone | Raydiation |
| 11:39.09 | gsocbot | Raydiation: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization directly. You can find an org's contact information via the org list at http://goo.gl/yxeB0 |
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| 11:41.50 | sumanah | !logs |
| 11:41.51 | gsocbot | sumanah: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 11:45.22 | jojva | sumanah, i'm back |
| 11:45.27 | sumanah | hi jojva |
| 11:45.35 | jojva | if you still appreciate giving help ^^ |
| 11:45.45 | sumanah | sure |
| 11:45.51 | sumanah | "A motion ramping example : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm6-YwYtfBw " you should make that a hyperlink |
| 11:46.18 | Raydiation | kai: ty |
| 11:46.20 | jojva | sumanah, i wanted to, i don't know how. the abstract is not in the editor |
| 11:46.28 | jojva | maybe [url] |
| 11:46.55 | sumanah | oh. jojva I haven't used Melange in the current round so I did not know that. You might want to file a bug with Melange, then |
| 11:47.25 | jojva | sumanah, there's no bug. basically the "short description" is a textarea |
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| 11:47.32 | sumanah | jojva: "I've given interest in several softwares" in international English we don't say "softwares" - "software" is a mass noun and does not pluralize with an s |
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| 11:47.53 | anth_r | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:48.01 | anth_r | whoops. sorry. ignore me. |
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| 11:49.26 | jojva | sumanah, ok for software |
| 11:49.45 | sumanah | jojva: so instead you would say something like "several software projects" or "several applications" |
| 11:50.39 | sumanah | jojva: "This project is split in three parts :" In US English, at least, there isn't a space before the colon so this should be "This project is split in three parts:" |
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| 11:51.10 | jojva | sumanah, hahaha I hate that ! No, I hate that! |
| 11:51.16 | sumanah | hahaha |
| 11:51.52 | jojva | i'll fix that for every !?:; |
| 11:51.57 | sumanah | good idea jojva |
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| 11:52.09 | sumanah | jojva: when you say "A patch has been sent for it." you should link to that patch |
| 11:52.29 | jojva | oh. i do but a little later |
| 11:52.44 | jojva | i should say that |
| 11:52.57 | sumanah | or just link again. There's no harm in linking every time you mention it. |
| 11:53.18 | sumanah | jojva: "I plan to have 10 days of vacation during this summer." do you know the dates? if so, state them |
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| 11:53.28 | jojva | i don't |
| 11:54.11 | jojva | i just wanted to keep the possibility of taking holidays for a week, well enjoy the sun etc. |
| 11:55.24 | sumanah | jojva: Then stating explicitly that you don't have the dates yet would be a good idea; otherwise people will ask the same question I asked |
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| 11:55.44 | jojva | oko |
| 11:56.02 | sumanah | !next |
| 11:56.04 | gsocbot | sumanah: "next" is May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline. ( Countdown at http://tinyurl.com/cg526v7 ) |
| 11:57.36 | jojva | sumanah, have you got a link of what you consider a good or great application this year ? |
| 11:58.02 | sumanah | jojva: not from this year. I often show people https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Jarry1250/GSoC_2012_application which was a good proposal from last year (different schedule) |
| 11:58.45 | Josef_K | sumanah: Actually, yes, I have arrived very late to the proposal submission -- my main concern is figuring out whether what I'm proposing is too big or too small. :\ |
| 11:59.05 | p_l|omoikane | heh, just like me |
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| 11:59.11 | sumanah | Josef_K: Go ahead and give me a link and I'll give you feedback |
| 11:59.21 | Josef_K | sumanah: OK, bear with me. |
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| 12:01.17 | jojva | sumanah, Indeed it's a very decent proposal, with a |
| 12:01.26 | jojva | with a number of deliverables |
| 12:01.33 | jojva | thanks again :) |
| 12:01.37 | sumanah | Glad to help jojva |
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| 12:03.48 | kitlomajama | jojva: which proposal? |
| 12:04.38 | cigara | Hello, i have one question. Can one apply to more than one project via GSOC website? |
| 12:04.52 | sumanah | yes |
| 12:05.02 | Josef_K | sumanah: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0By4QYGxDhcr4UnRpamFRdm9jMkE/edit?usp=sharing |
| 12:05.18 | sumanah | ok, Josef_K looking |
| 12:05.29 | sumanah | weird, I do not have access to view it |
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| 12:06.29 | Josef_K | sumanah: Sorry, my bad, try again. |
| 12:06.33 | jojva | kitlomajama, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Jarry1250/GSoC_2012_application |
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| 12:12.45 | sumanah | hey Josef_K - first off, nice Kafka reference in your nick |
| 12:12.57 | Josef_K | :) |
| 12:13.12 | sumanah | Josef_K: ok, moving on to more important things :-) if you can demonstrate even further past engagement in open source that is a great idea - have you ever filed a bug report, or posted to public mailing lists? |
| 12:13.29 | kitlomajama | sumanah: which org are you representing? |
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| 12:16.14 | Josef_K | sumanah: Sure, I've reported 128 bugs in the Gentoo Linux distribution. I've posted to several mailing lists... KDevelop and Graphviz are the only ones that come to mind. |
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| 12:16.28 | sumanah | Josef_K: link to those! |
| 12:16.45 | sumanah | link to a query that'll show those 128 bugs, and link to a sample post each for KDevelop & Graphviz |
| 12:16.50 | Josef_K | sumanah: I didn't think it would be interesting. :) You saw the links that I did put in at the end, right? |
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| 12:17.35 | Josef_K | sumanah: I linked to bugfixes and features that I have added to existing open-source projects. |
| 12:17.50 | sumanah | Josef_K: I saw that, yeah. But code isn't the only contribution mentors want to see |
| 12:19.31 | sumanah | Josef_K: does that make sense? |
| 12:19.45 | Josef_K | sumanah: Yeah, sure. |
| 12:19.57 | Josef_K | sumanah: Thanks. What about my original question? :) |
| 12:20.15 | sumanah | Josef_K: you mean about seeing the links at the end? yes I did! sorry |
| 12:20.31 | sumanah | kitlomajama: I have been the org admin and a mentor for Wikimedia Foundation concentrating on MediaWiki |
| 12:20.33 | Josef_K | sumanah: No, about whether what I am proposing being too big/small. |
| 12:20.40 | sumanah | Josef_K: Right! sorry |
| 12:21.36 | sumanah | Josef_K: so here's the first question: what does your mentor think? |
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| 12:22.43 | Josef_K | sumanah: Sadly, I haven't contacted one yet -- I only realized that GSoC was happening two days ago. I am sending my proposal in cold. |
| 12:22.58 | sumanah | Josef_K: you really really really ought to contact a mentor ASAP |
| 12:23.13 | sumanah | Josef_K: Even if it's just to say "I know this is last-minute but I hope this is of interest" |
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| 12:23.57 | Josef_K | sumanah: Yeah I posted to the Boost mailing list already, but maybe I should email someone directly too. |
| 12:24.03 | sumanah | Josef_K: Yes, I agree |
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| 12:25.17 | sumanah | Josef_K: So I don't know the Boost codebase or your skills, but my instinct tells me you need to think explicitly about how much time it's going to take you to get familiar with the Boost codebase (maybe fix a trivial bug or two), test on different platforms and architectures, do performance benchmarking, fix bugs, and merge |
| 12:25.41 | sumanah | (documentation here would, I presume, be a code walkthrough where you explain the architectural decisions you've made?) |
| 12:26.03 | sumanah | Josef_K: "there are discrete sections to sacrifice without compromising the whole." specifying that would be good. |
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| 12:26.19 | Josef_K | sumanah: Specifying the discrete sections? |
| 12:26.21 | sumanah | Josef_K: I think you could expand this to about 3 or 4 times the current proposal length without harming readability |
| 12:26.22 | sumanah | Yes |
| 12:26.46 | Josef_K | Oh, really? I was concerned about being too verbose! |
| 12:26.50 | sumanah | no, no, no |
| 12:27.18 | Josef_K | I was sure that I saw a proposal in the Boost mailing list archive that was very terse and received positive feedback. |
| 12:27.37 | sumanah | Josef_K: That person may have already had an ongoing relationship and a proven reputation. |
| 12:27.39 | sumanah | You have neither. |
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| 12:28.12 | Josef_K | Yes, I see. |
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| 12:28.45 | _Nico | what is it mentors look for in that regard? |
| 12:28.59 | _Nico | they want to know the student will participate actively? |
| 12:29.10 | sumanah | Josef_K: I don't see you in the archives at http://lists.boost.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/boost where should I be looking for your post? |
| 12:29.15 | _Nico | or are they more concerned about the concrete project? |
| 12:29.18 | sumanah | _Nico: We look for a variety of things. |
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| 12:29.49 | Josef_K | sumanah: I only just posted an hour or so ago -- first posts are moderated. |
| 12:30.14 | sumanah | _Nico: Personally I am looking for thoughtfulness, good communication skills, willingness to work in public and receive and act on feedback, a genuine interest that continues beyond the current summer, diligence, demonstrated capacity to learn ..... |
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| 12:31.13 | sumanah | _Nico: I am interested in ensuring that the summer project succeeds but that's a means to an end -- my real goal is to have another member of the MediaWiki development community, and succeeding in a summer project makes a developer more likely to want to stick around |
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| 12:32.46 | psyco | hi why is no one talking to me i am new to this irc |
| 12:32.53 | _Nico | I see |
| 12:32.57 | sumanah | hi psyco |
| 12:33.12 | sumanah | psyco: Please read https://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/Irc as an intro to IRC. |
| 12:33.29 | psyco | nico i heard your name in Da vinci deamon :D |
| 12:33.40 | psyco | thanks sumanah |
| 12:33.41 | sumanah | Josef_K: I hope that helps! |
| 12:34.11 | _Nico | hehe my name is quite common :) |
| 12:34.20 | Josef_K | sumanah: Yes, just not entirely in the way that I expected. :) |
| 12:34.49 | psyco | haha nico so which organisation r u applying to or r u a mentor :) |
| 12:35.10 | _Nico | I'm applying to Joomla |
| 12:35.15 | _Nico | how about you? |
| 12:35.49 | psyco | i am a student first time on Gsoc i see people here a way too talented |
| 12:36.26 | jojva | psyco, talent also comes with experience |
| 12:36.36 | sumanah | We all had to start somewhree |
| 12:36.38 | sumanah | somewhere* |
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| 12:36.41 | harshkothari | sumanah: you are helping lots of people. :) |
| 12:36.49 | harshkothari | agree sumanah +1 |
| 12:36.56 | jojva | harshkothari, he is |
| 12:37.35 | jojva | I believe Wikipedia is one of the most beautiful things of the 21st century |
| 12:37.36 | harshkothari | jojva: she is :P |
| 12:37.39 | sumanah | I am a woman jojva |
| 12:37.43 | psyco | haha |
| 12:37.51 | jojva | oh haha sorry, this is a sexist place |
| 12:37.58 | GorillaWarfare | >.< |
| 12:38.01 | sumanah | jojva: Well, no, you showed a sexist assumption. |
| 12:38.04 | psyco | sumah=nah _/\_ respect |
| 12:38.08 | harshkothari | jojva: yes agree |
| 12:38.13 | harshkothari | psyco: +100 |
| 12:38.24 | psyco | sorry sumanah |
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| 12:38.31 | sumanah | I've never seen that emoticon before but it is lovely, thank you psyco |
| 12:38.38 | jojva | please accept my apology then :) |
| 12:38.54 | sumanah | thanks jojva. You can pay it forward by not presuming the gender of people you meet online in the future. :) |
| 12:39.18 | psyco | thanks sumanah btw nice message |
| 12:40.34 | jojva | sumanah, i don't presume anything, it's a malapropism, and maybe also because in french the subject is automatically "he" when unknown |
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| 12:41.00 | Josef_K | sumanah: Does Stack Overflow count? I mean, as evidence of contributing to a community? |
| 12:41.12 | sumanah | jojva: What do people do in French if they want to be gender-neutral in referring to a person they don't know? |
| 12:41.22 | sumanah | In English we say s/he. |
| 12:41.26 | psyco | just came to know sumanah u r an indian #just_googled_you |
| 12:41.28 | sumanah | Josef_K: I think it kind of counts |
| 12:41.41 | sumanah | psyco: yes, my parents are from Karnataka. I was born in the US. |
| 12:41.45 | Josef_K | sumanah: Or only if one has been exceptionally helpful? I only just started using it. |
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| 12:41.56 | jojva | sumanah, you mean when writing ? i guess we'd say il/elle (he/she) |
| 12:42.03 | psyco | gr8 have you ever been to india |
| 12:42.12 | sumanah | jojva: Then you ought to do that. |
| 12:42.19 | sumanah | psyco: yes, I've been to India several times. |
| 12:42.46 | psyco | cheers to that |
| 12:43.25 | sumanah | Josef_K: It's okay to leave it out. Bug reports, patches, helpful documentation, leading training courses, etc. are a more useful signal to mentors, I think |
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| 12:43.49 | sumanah | Josef_K: and check out http://software-carpentry.org/ by the way in case you want to show that to your colleagues who aren't as strong at software engineering skills |
| 12:44.30 | sumanah | jojva: you mentioned how beautiful Wikipedia is, and I agree. Do you ever edit Wikipedia? |
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| 12:45.21 | psyco | i love wikipedia but i am addicted to quora |
| 12:45.24 | sumanah | one of the great things about it is that there are hundreds of Wikipedias in hundreds of languages :) I am so grateful to my colleagues who make sure MediaWiki is localisable so people have access to knowledge in the languages they speak |
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| 12:45.57 | sumanah | "Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment." it's such a great mission |
| 12:46.59 | jojva | sumanah, I love to think pioneering encyclopedians would be so proud, like Diderot |
| 12:47.26 | sumanah | jojva: our conference rooms at the Wikimedia Foundation are named after great encyclopedists like Diderot! |
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| 12:47.37 | jojva | hehe nice |
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| 12:48.08 | javajarr | is it possible to make a draft of proposal on gsoc website? or is it like when i press "Submit" it goes to the mentor? |
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| 12:48.46 | GorillaWarfare | sumanah: Hah, I never knew that |
| 12:48.47 | sumanah | javajarr: every time you update your proposal the mentors and admins of your mentoring project get an update |
| 12:49.15 | javajarr | sumanah so its not possible to make a draft on site directly? |
| 12:49.26 | sumanah | javajarr: if you want to rapidly improve your proposal and iterate, you might want to put a version up on your project's wiki and edit it there, then regularly sync by pasting the improved proposal into Melange |
| 12:50.17 | jojva | oh sumanah didn't see your question. Yes i've made a few edits, mostly minor |
| 12:50.27 | javajarr | sumanah ok thanks |
| 12:51.18 | sumanah | jojva: "1-8 august" August should be capitalized :-) |
| 12:51.31 | _Nico | I didn't know that sumanah |
| 12:51.34 | sumanah | thanks for editing Wikipedia jojva, every little bit helps! |
| 12:51.45 | jojva | oO still on my proposal ? |
| 12:51.46 | _Nico | kinda wish I hadn't used melange for my draft now :p |
| 12:52.11 | jojva | _Nico, there should be a warning message : "only paste your proposal on melange when done elsewhere" |
| 12:52.45 | javajarr | _Nico just a little melange trolling :) |
| 12:53.13 | _Nico | I knew they could see it, but not that they got an update |
| 12:53.20 | sumanah | jojva: no, no, I think putting a draft in Melange is a good thing |
| 12:53.35 | sumanah | and the admins and mentors don't mind the updates, mostly -- if they mind then they set up email filters |
| 12:53.39 | gevaerts | jojva: why? I agree that update notifications every five minutes can be a bit annoying (but they're easy to ignore too!), but that doesn't mean waiting until the last minute is a good idea |
| 12:53.58 | sumanah | in the hour before the melange deadline, melange might get slow or even freeze up a little bit. DO NOT WAIT till the last minute to submit your proposal into Melange! |
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| 12:55.27 | _Nico | I don't want to wait until the last minute, but I know it will happen anyway |
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| 12:55.45 | _Nico | I've come to terms with it :) |
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| 12:56.00 | sumanah | _Nico: I urge you to come back from terms with it, if that makes sense |
| 12:56.02 | sachin_h | sumanah: would you please give me some feedback about my proposal? http://pastebin.com/aQfBGbyM |
| 12:56.12 | sumanah | Part of good software engineering is preventing failures, _Nico |
| 12:56.17 | sumanah | sachin_h: sure! let me load it up. |
| 12:56.25 | GorillaWarfare | _Nico: Maybe submit it now, then make changes as you need to? That way you at least have _something_ submitted by the deadline, even if it's unfinished. |
| 12:56.30 | _Nico | I won't fail, I'll get it in just in time |
| 12:56.51 | gevaerts | _Nico: *melange* might fail |
| 12:56.57 | gevaerts | It has happened before |
| 12:56.58 | aghisla | exactly |
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| 12:57.58 | _Nico | I know it's not ideal, it's just how it is |
| 12:58.16 | _Nico | it's good to know your weaknesses too, right? :) |
| 12:58.16 | sumanah | _Nico: you really can change "how it is". I'm serious |
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| 12:58.59 | sumanah | ok, sachin_h I'm going to start with things that are distracting and then get to bigger issues |
| 12:59.15 | sumanah | "This project aims to make add-on installation and removal, a clearer process with the following main features to implement :" you don't need the comma, and you don't need the space before the colon |
| 13:00.24 | sachin_h | alright. |
| 13:00.33 | aghisla | _Nico: the mentors will have no chance to comment if you sumbit the proposal on the last hour. |
| 13:00.43 | aghisla | if you submit a readable draft now, they can help you |
| 13:00.49 | sumanah | sachin_h: "There are 2 ways by which this can be fixed:" This is a matter of taste, but I prefer active voice when possible -- "There are two ways we could fix this" for example |
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| 13:01.10 | _Nico | forget I mentioned it, I was mostly joking |
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| 13:01.27 | sumanah | "Effect is seen immediately after the program requests for a change." You don't need "for", and again, active voice might be better here -- "the user sees the effect" |
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| 13:01.56 | _Nico | but still if melange fails 10 minutes before the deadline every year, it says something about how it actually is |
| 13:02.06 | _Nico | bbl |
| 13:02.19 | Riks | if i'm converting time zone's correctly, there's 6 hours left until we can submit our proposals right? |
| 13:02.36 | sumanah | sachin_h: "I will devote 4-5 hours a day for this project during the project period." Is this 4-5 hours each *weekday* or 4-5 hours per day, 7 days per week? Ordinarily in GSoC we expect that you work approximately 35-40 hours per week so you should be clearer to ensure you're going to give that much work, or explain why you won't |
| 13:02.41 | sumanah | !next | Riks |
| 13:02.43 | gsocbot | Riks: "next" is May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline. ( Countdown at http://tinyurl.com/cg526v7 ) |
| 13:02.45 | azi` | Riks: i think it should be written on the site as well |
| 13:02.55 | azi` | Riks: how many hours days etc.. |
| 13:02.59 | sumanah | It is. |
| 13:03.13 | Riks | ok, looks like I converted it correctly then. :) |
| 13:03.39 | Riks | what happens if the Melange site goes down before I submit my proposal? will the deadline be extended? |
| 13:03.40 | sumanah | sachin_h: "This will be used for testing the functionalities." I think you should, again, use active voice -- "I will use this to test" -- and in US English we don't say "functionalities" (sorry, we are weird). |
| 13:03.43 | sumanah | Riks: no. |
| 13:03.49 | sumanah | So submit it early. |
| 13:03.50 | dfighter | Riks no deadline extensions |
| 13:03.52 | sumanah | And update it. |
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| 13:03.59 | dfighter | Riks don't leave it for the last minute |
| 13:04.30 | Riks | sumanah: dfighter ok, I'll not wait until the last minute. |
| 13:04.49 | sumanah | sachin_h: You might say "I will use this to test the features" - although how do you use a design to test features or functionality? Do you mean it's the reference for an acceptance test? |
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| 13:05.35 | sachin_h | Um. Why not use a GUI to test features? |
| 13:05.52 | sumanah | sachin_h: Instead of referring to "feature (2)" throughout (I have a hard time remembering what "feature 2" is) you could have a sort of short-name for each of features 1, 2, and 3 |
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| 13:06.07 | sumanah | sachin_h: "(1) Opt-in screen: A working opt-in screen that supports vendor messages stored in install.rdf and multiple add-on installations." |
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| 13:06.26 | sumanah | "(2): Add-on removal: Implementation of support for completely removing a globally installed add-on (disable + hide)" |
| 13:06.27 | sumanah | and so on |
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| 13:08.06 | sumanah | sachin_h: So, when you say "use a GUI to test features" I get more confused. If you have a working GUI that is the way the user is going to interact with the functionality you implement, then yes, you can use that in the end to test that your code works. |
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| 13:08.40 | sumanah | sachin_h: However, in June 5 - June 12 I presumed that all you would be doing would be making mockups or wireframes. I'm not sure how you use those to test your code. |
| 13:09.26 | sachin_h | please let me explain. |
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| 13:09.50 | sumanah | sachin_h: when you say "I am comfortable with interacting with the community using IRC, mailing lists." you should use "and" instead of the comma. Also, for 'mailing lists' are you linking to proof, such as your past history of sending mail to public mailing lists within Mozilla? |
| 13:10.06 | sumanah | ( sachin_h - whatever explanation you are going to give me would probably better be put into your proposal!) |
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| 13:11.36 | sumanah | sachin_h: "I admire the Mozilla manifesto and it's efforts to improve the web." You want "its" there, not "it's". Also, this is just a matter of personal taste, but I would say "I admire Mozilla's manifesto and your efforts to improve the web." |
| 13:12.18 | sumanah | sachin_h: "I have been speaking with the mentor" - you ought to name your mentor here. |
| 13:12.19 | pratnala | where do i upload images? is dropbox/google drive fine? |
| 13:12.28 | sumanah | "I have been speaking with my mentor, $name" |
| 13:12.36 | sachin_h | alright |
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| 13:13.41 | sumanah | sachin_h: overall, I think you should read your proposal aloud to yourself -- that will help you find snags and places where the prose does not flow very well |
| 13:14.11 | sumanah | sachin_h: now, larger things |
| 13:14.35 | sumanah | sachin_h: why are you waiting till late in the summer to write test cases? |
| 13:15.01 | sachin_h | Should I write them as I work? |
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| 13:15.12 | sumanah | sachin_h: it seems to me that you should have a goal of integrating the test cases as you go, although your mentor might have a different idea. What does your mentor think? |
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| 13:15.36 | sachin_h | I have not asked him about this. |
| 13:16.14 | sumanah | sachin_h: It's worth thinking about. |
| 13:16.35 | sumanah | "Test the deliverables in real situations with add-ons from real external programs." How will you be testing? On your own machine? in a VM? in a test environment Mozilla hosts? |
| 13:17.02 | sachin_h | on my own machine. That will suffice. |
| 13:17.13 | sumanah | sachin_h: I think you should say that. |
| 13:17.18 | sachin_h | okay |
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| 13:17.47 | sumanah | sachin_h: Firefox is cross-platform. Can you boot Windows, MacOS, and Linux on your machine to test it on all 3 OSes? |
| 13:17.52 | sumanah | If so, say so. |
| 13:17.58 | pratnala | sumanah: are you a mozilla mentor? |
| 13:18.01 | sumanah | pratnala: no |
| 13:18.17 | sumanah | I have been a mentor for Wikimedia Foundation (MediaWiki), and their org admin |
| 13:18.52 | sumanah | sachin_h: "improve documentation." What kind of documentation? A user-facing help manual? a code walkthrough for future developers? class annotations/diagrams? a feature interview where you discuss what choices you made and why? |
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| 13:19.24 | sachin_h | yes, I should elaborate there. |
| 13:19.24 | sumanah | sachin_h: As you consider that I think you will see that you will need more time for testing, post-merge conflict resolution, bugfixing, and documentation |
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| 13:21.12 | sachin_h | What is post-merge? |
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| 13:21.31 | pratnala | sumanah: can i give the google drive link? i have just started filling on melange |
| 13:21.36 | sumanah | pratnala: sure |
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| 13:22.11 | sumanah | sachin_h: OK, so, within any open source project, there is the codebase that everyone is working on -- "trunk" or "master" -- and there are feature branches that people work on as they write features |
| 13:22.31 | sumanah | sachin_h: for your work, will you be using Mercurial as the source control system? |
| 13:22.36 | sumanah | sachin_h: I'm going to assume yes |
| 13:22.37 | sachin_h | yes |
| 13:23.10 | sumanah | sachin_h: so, at multiple points in the process, you are going to want to merge your feature branch into master -- after you hit each independent milestone, for instance |
| 13:23.17 | pratnala | sumanah: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-3vCzA5naH4yJLB5RzbIsFh3YWYx6YJOP9TLcxClc8U/edit?usp=sharing this is the link |
| 13:23.19 | sumanah | I don't know the preferred workflow for Firefox |
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| 13:23.58 | sachin_h | afaik, I will be submitting patches that will be reviewed and applied. |
| 13:23.59 | sumanah | sachin_h: but either before or during or after merge you are going to have to modify what you have done to accommodate changes other people have made in master since you started working |
| 13:24.24 | sumanah | sachin_h: right. That application is also known as "merge" in some development communities, or "landing a branch" |
| 13:24.55 | sumanah | sachin_h: also, please check out http://opensourcebridge.org/wiki/2011/Inviting_Contributors_to_Open_Source_Webdev_through_Virtualization for some ideas regarding how Mozilla wants to help you with virtualized environments for testing |
| 13:25.58 | sumanah | pratnala: "Im part of the Web Council in my college and all our work is open-sourced on Github. (Please note: Before submitting it on Melange, I will give the link for the zip file on google drive. Our repo is having some issues and Ill give the repo link once it is ready but it might take a week)." what in the world? this seems very strange. Why can't you just give the link and say "it's having issues right now but I can give you the files in a Z |
| 13:25.59 | sumanah | IP if you are having trouble"? |
| 13:26.56 | sumanah | pratnala: I can't tell why you think each of these tools would take about 2 weeks to develop -- you really need to give evidence or reasoning to support that claim |
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| 13:27.25 | pratnala | i put 2 weeks because there are 6 tools and it is 12 weeks long (roughly). |
| 13:27.56 | sumanah | pratnala: Well, you need to explain why you think it would take 2 weeks to design, write, test, bugfix, and merge each of these tools |
| 13:27.58 | Uli- | is melange sluggish as hell or is it just me? probably students ddos'ing it ;) |
| 13:28.15 | sumanah | pratnala: I look at this and I think "for all I know this student won't even be able to complete 1 of these 6" |
| 13:29.07 | pratnala | are they so tough? |
| 13:29.13 | sumanah | Why wouldn't we be? |
| 13:29.24 | pratnala | i mean are the tools so tough? |
| 13:29.49 | sumanah | pratnala: If you think the tool is easy to make, you need to actually back up that claim and explain why you think it will only take 2 weeks to make. The burden of proof is on you. |
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| 13:30.48 | GorillaWarfare | Uli-: 5 1/2 hours left before the deadline -- that's probably it |
| 13:31.01 | pratnala | umm what do i do |
| 13:31.16 | sachin_h | sumanah: Thanks a lot! I'll work on those aspects. |
| 13:31.19 | pratnala | because the project requires 6 tools to be done in the duration |
| 13:31.21 | sumanah | sachin_h: Glad to help! |
| 13:31.56 | sumanah | pratnala: Do you mean that the person who suggested the idea originally suggested the number 6? |
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| 13:32.34 | sachin_h | pratnala: Hey. Are you aware of where GSoC related discussions happened in Mozilla mailing lists? |
| 13:33.11 | sumanah | pratnala: I pointed sachin_h to examples on https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/firefox-dev but sachin_h is still suspicious I think. |
| 13:33.28 | sachin_h | No, lol. |
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| 13:33.51 | pratnala | yes it is on the ideas page that 6 have to be done |
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| 13:34.20 | sachin_h | It's just that in other org mailing lists, there were loads of threads about GSoC. On firefx-dev there are *2*. |
| 13:34.23 | pratnala | sachin_h: it happens on the IRC channels afaik |
| 13:34.45 | pratnala | i am on mozilla-dev and there are none there. i usually do it on irc |
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| 13:35.13 | sumanah | https://wiki.mozilla.org/Community:SummerOfCode13 suggests talking in IRC yeah |
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| 13:35.30 | sachin_h | pratnala: Yes, that is where I discussed as well. So, I have no idea of how other people are doing . |
| 13:35.30 | sumanah | pratnala: did you read http://blog.gerv.net/2006/05/how_not_to_apply_for_summer_of/ ? it has things not to do including "Give us a vague timeline. Project plans like: Week 1-2: Ramp up on code. Week 3-7: Implement project. Week 8-10: Testing and debugging dont inspire confidence. " |
| 13:35.57 | pratnala | umm i didnt exactly know how to give a specific timeline |
| 13:36.26 | ab_ | how much time should i keep for unit testing? |
| 13:36.34 | sumanah | pratnala: ok. here are some tips http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000245.html http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2007/10/26.html |
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| 13:36.45 | sumanah | ab_: Have you ever written unit tests and run them before? |
| 13:36.54 | sumanah | pratnala: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2007/10/26.html |
| 13:36.59 | ab_ | no.. first time |
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| 13:37.27 | sumanah | ab_: ok. So you'll probably need to allot a few days in your schedule for *learning how to write and run unit tests*. |
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| 13:37.59 | sumanah | ab_: Are you able to ask your mentor or look at resources on your project's web site to understand how thorough your unit tests have to be in order for your code to get merged? |
| 13:38.11 | ab_ | i was thinking of including that in the pre-coding days |
| 13:38.35 | ab_ | actually the org doesnt make it necessary to use unit testing |
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| 13:38.49 | ab_ | i was just thinking of adding that |
| 13:39.02 | sumanah | ab_: ok, so in that case you are simply trying to make your code more robust and resistant to regressions. Good |
| 13:39.17 | sumanah | pratnala: I see "You should submit 8 tool ideas" at https://wiki.mozilla.org/Community:SummerOfCode13 - did you come up with 8, or only 7? |
| 13:39.24 | ab_ | yes, something like that |
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| 13:39.44 | ab_ | one of the other participant here recommended to look at them |
| 13:39.54 | ab_ | *recommended me |
| 13:39.56 | pratnala | i could do only 7. |
| 13:40.05 | pratnala | the mentor said that's ok |
| 13:40.12 | sumanah | ab_: I do not know you or your codebase or your project or your skill level, but you could try thinking of milestones/iterations -- within each iteration you will build new functionality and, alongside that, write the unit tests to go with it |
| 13:40.43 | chetna | i submitted my proposal way back, but its not there on melange is anyone facing similar issue |
| 13:41.30 | chetna | someone please help, its kind of panic situtation for me |
| 13:41.36 | ab_ | sumanah: so i shouldnt allot seperate days for testing.. |
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| 13:41.40 | sumanah | ab_: so perhaps for every 4 days that you are writing code you might allot some more time at the start to do design and communication work, 1 additional day to write the unit tests, and then 4 days to run the tests, fix resultant bugs, write documentation, merge, and doc |
| 13:41.56 | sumanah | ab_: I am making all of that up off the top of my head so please do not treat it as scripture |
| 13:42.17 | azi` | i am 99% that I'll do my GSOC project even if rejected. hence I would like to start as soon as possible. are there any issues if I say, produce many patches now already? |
| 13:42.32 | azi` | like can google then say that this was not done under the GSOC project? |
| 13:42.45 | sumanah | azi`: Don't worry about it. Go ahead and get started if you want. |
| 13:42.47 | ab_ | thats not a problem.. i'm just looking for suggestions.. |
| 13:43.00 | ab_ | what does your experience tell |
| 13:43.08 | ab_ | how much time does it take? |
| 13:43.55 | sumanah | pratnala: so, my suggestion is, try to think through how much time it will take you to write one of these tools. Imagine it in your head. What steps would you have to take? Write them down and start thinking about how long each step takes. What about consulting with the MDN user experience team? What about testing on various browsers and operating systems? |
| 13:44.12 | sumanah | ab_: did you see my line above where I gave some numbers of days? try that out |
| 13:44.20 | ab_ | yup.. ok |
| 13:44.28 | limonka | chetna: I remember some students having similar problems last year. You should contact Carol. |
| 13:45.15 | chetna | i have no idea who carol is? is there some quick-fix for this |
| 13:45.18 | sumanah | pratnala: Think back and remember how long it has taken you to do similar projects in the past. |
| 13:45.44 | ab_ | so it is a 50:50 time distribution.. right? |
| 13:45.57 | sumanah | ab_: no, please read what I wrote again. :-) |
| 13:45.59 | Uli- | !carol | chetna |
| 13:46.00 | limonka | chetna: The only quick-fix I can think of is send one more proposal :) |
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| 13:46.14 | Uli- | the bot doesn't know about carol |
| 13:46.32 | MatthewWilkes | !carols | Uli- |
| 13:46.36 | MatthewWilkes | damn |
| 13:46.48 | sumanah | chetna: Carol Smith is the main person you should talk with. She is carols(at)google.com |
| 13:47.19 | sumanah | chetna: in the meantime, it would also make sense for you to email a plaintext version of your proposal to your mentor, and to submit a duplicate version of your proposal into Melange, in my opinion. |
| 13:47.21 | chetna | thks sumanah |
| 13:47.22 | pratnala | sumanah: ok im working on it :) |
| 13:47.29 | ab_ | ok, so by "then 4 days to run the tests" you meant test them while you are coding.. i thought it the other way |
| 13:47.43 | sumanah | ab_: no, evidently you did not understand me |
| 13:47.47 | pratnala | sumanah: the mdn team is saying timeline will change if i get selected as they have their own ideas as well |
| 13:47.58 | sumanah | pratnala: Then you should reflect that in your proposal. |
| 13:48.09 | pratnala | that the timeline will change? |
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| 13:48.49 | chetna | i am quickly trying to duplicate it |
| 13:48.50 | ab_ | ok, i dont really get the last part which i quote..can you explain that? |
| 13:48.51 | sumanah | ab_: first: some time at the start for design and communication. Maybe 1 or 2 days? then 1 day for writing unit tests. Then 4 days for coding. Then 4 days to run tests, test, find bugs, fix them, write docs, and merge |
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| 13:49.13 | sumanah | Again, I am making this up and you may find that your balance is different. |
| 13:49.31 | sumanah | pratnala: yes |
| 13:49.46 | pratnala | ok |
| 13:49.59 | ab_ | sumanah: ok, got it.. |
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| 13:50.17 | sumanah | ab_: As you can see this makes about 2 weeks of time for each sprint or iteration or stage, however you want to call it |
| 13:50.29 | sumanah | (about 10 working days) |
| 13:50.38 | darnir | sumanah: I never got to thank you the other day! (I think I re-wrote my complete application thanks to you and geverts) |
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| 13:51.01 | sumanah | darnir: you are welcome! I am glad to have helped. I hope you can pay it forward in the future with other new contributors. :) |
| 13:51.24 | darnir | Oh I will! |
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| 13:53.42 | sachin_h | sumanah: Can you suggest a short name for this: "Make it possible to request add-on install / uninstall from a separate process"? |
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| 13:54.41 | sumanah | sachin_h: "Request separation" is okay |
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| 13:55.14 | sumanah | all names are going to kind of be terrible but they'll still be more memorable and usable than "feature 3" |
| 13:55.21 | sumanah | naming is hard |
| 13:55.31 | sumanah | there is a saying that there are 2 hard problems in CS |
| 13:55.38 | sumanah | naming, cache invalidation, and off-by-one errors |
| 13:55.58 | sachin_h | hehe |
| 13:56.18 | sachin_h | anyway, it means that an add-on install / uninstall should be triggered by some other process than what is used now. Now it is a restart of the browser that triggers the installation / uninstallation. |
| 13:56.36 | sumanah | another programming joke as long as I'm at it: why do programmers mistake Christmas for Hallowe'en? Because oct 31 = dec 25 |
| 13:56.50 | GorillaWarfare | sumanah: Hah, I'd never heard that one |
| 13:56.58 | sumanah | sachin_h: great, just make sure you explain that in the proposal |
| 13:57.20 | sumanah | GorillaWarfare: it's pretty great IMO |
| 13:57.55 | sachin_h | sumanah: sweet. It fits nicely :) |
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| 13:58.08 | sumanah | is open to reviewing and giving last-minute feedback on students' GSoC proposals |
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| 13:58.52 | azi` | sumanah: jernejaz |
| 13:59.02 | sumanah | azi`: I'm sorry, I don't know what that word means. |
| 13:59.24 | sumanah | looks it up |
| 13:59.34 | azi` | account on melange |
| 13:59.41 | azi` | i thought this is how you review stuff :-) |
| 14:00.14 | sumanah | azi`: I ask people to give me the link here in #gsoc - I review publicly and other people can also view the proposal and give their own feedback. |
| 14:00.36 | sumanah | I have mentored for GSoC in past rounds but I am actually not signed up as a mentor for summer 2013 so I don't have mentor access to Melange |
| 14:00.58 | azi` | ahh :S |
| 14:01.02 | sumanah | And even if I did, I would only have mentor access to the proposals within my open source project, not everyone's. |
| 14:01.05 | azi` | which projects did you mentor? |
| 14:01.17 | sumanah | MediaWiki (with the Wikimedia Foundation, where I was also org admin) |
| 14:01.30 | pratnala1 | sumanah: i made a few changes in the deliverables section. could u give your feedback? |
| 14:01.37 | pratnala1 | in the same google doc |
| 14:01.38 | sumanah | Looking, pratnala1 |
| 14:01.55 | pratnala | wonders how the nick changed on its own |
| 14:02.03 | sumanah | pratnala: Still really really really far too short. |
| 14:02.05 | azi` | nice I use that a lot.. I even considered donating to mediawiki but never found a donation system (only donation extensions for it :-) |
| 14:02.42 | sumanah | azi`: Well, many MediaWiki developers work for the Foundation so you could donate to us. Or you could ask on our mailing list or #mediawiki for developers who would like some money, and give them money. :) |
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| 14:03.29 | sumanah | pratnala: you say "Of course, some tools will take more than 2 weeks and some less than 2 weeks" but what makes you think it will balance out? In most software projects there are things that take way too long and there's nearly nothing that comes in under budget. |
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| 14:03.48 | azi` | sumanah: well if there are developers that *could* need money and you indeed do not have a donation system up then you've got an issue ? :-) |
| 14:03.56 | sumanah | azi`: Thank you for the kind words, and I'm glad you like Wikimedia's work! |
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| 14:04.25 | sumanah | azi`: There are many things that various people could work on. If you would like to work on a donation system for MediaWiki developers you are welcome to do so. |
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| 14:04.57 | sumanah | azi`: Developers who work on MediaWiki and would like to receive donations are free to request them. |
| 14:05.08 | banas | HI sumanah :D Thanks for the email ;) JUst wanted to thank you for this wonderful help you give us applicants :) |
| 14:05.19 | azi` | sumanah: ofc I am too busy and not the right person to manage such things (monetary and stuff) but I'd be glad to donate a bit if you actually set it up :-) |
| 14:05.29 | sumanah | banas: I'm glad I can help! I know you will pay it forward for future new contributors. |
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| 14:06.01 | sumanah | azi`: Understood. |
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| 14:06.20 | banas | Well, yes. I just feel inspired interacting with you and other similar contributors who spend time on helping us newbies :) |
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| 14:06.32 | sumanah | thank you banas I'm really glad to have that effect :) |
| 14:06.39 | banas | Yep. :) |
| 14:07.09 | banas | BTW, sumanah, if you do have some time, could you do a final skim through and tell me if there's anything I may have missed? |
| 14:07.10 | banas | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSOC_2013/Student_Application_Sarupbanskota/Design_Hub(461) |
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| 14:07.23 | sumanah | pratnala1: have you been looking at the other proposals people have mentioned here? for examples of schedules and timelines? |
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| 14:07.54 | sumanah | For instance, pratnala1 look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSOC_2013/Student_Application_Sarupbanskota/Design_Hub(461) . |
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| 14:08.27 | pratnala | im sorry i got disconnected again. |
| 14:08.39 | sumanah | pratnala: have you been looking at the other proposals people have mentioned here? for examples of schedules and timelines? For instance, pratnala look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSOC_2013/Student_Application_Sarupbanskota/Design_Hub(461) . |
| 14:08.40 | pratnala | where are the logs for this channel? |
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| 14:09.05 | daimrod | !logs |
| 14:09.05 | gsocbot | daimrod: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 14:09.12 | sumanah | pratnala: your schedule is far too short right now. And you say "Of course, some tools will take more than 2 weeks and some less than 2 weeks" but what makes you think it will balance out? In most software projects there are things that take way too long and there's nearly nothing that comes in under budget. |
| 14:09.24 | sumanah | I believe that sadly the logs don't cover the current day. |
| 14:09.35 | banas | lol. I have experienced this. pratnala you haven't missed much since you got back, afaik. |
| 14:09.36 | sumanah | pratnala: I have repeated to you just now the last several things I said |
| 14:09.54 | sumanah | banas: overall I think this is a very good application |
| 14:10.30 | pratnala | but it is tough to make a timeline which 6 tools will be selected. so how do i handle this? |
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| 14:10.53 | sumanah | banas: I also told a colleague about your project recently - Jonathan Baldwin of the Open Technology Institute - because he was wishing for good structure and tools for collaborating with other designers and with nondesigners |
| 14:11.08 | sumanah | banas: he was excited and happy to learn of plans for Glitter Gallery |
| 14:11.20 | banas | sumanah: Woah, that's lovely! :) THanks a ton. :D |
| 14:11.36 | banas | Could you pass me on his email id, so I could probably ping me sometime? |
| 14:11.39 | sumanah | pratnala: no matter which 6 of the 8 tools are selected, there are certain things you will have to learn, implement, do, or make, right? Start thinking about that. |
| 14:11.43 | sumanah | sure banas |
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| 14:12.56 | sumanah | ok, banas, I have emailed you and Jonathan |
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| 14:13.39 | banas | Sure , sumanah that helps :D |
| 14:14.14 | sumanah | (by the way, isn't Máirín great? I am so glad she is in our open source community!) |
| 14:14.50 | sumanah | banas: "professors from University" you don't need to capitalize University unless you name a specific institution (such as the University of Southern California) |
| 14:15.01 | sumanah | I would rephrase as "professors from my university" |
| 14:15.23 | sumanah | banas: similarly you do not need the capital O & S in "Once I do some more reading on Operating Systems" |
| 14:16.07 | sumanah | banas: however you should capitalize proper nouns (names): "Have used mercurial and bugzilla" should be "I have used Mercurial and Bugzilla" |
| 14:16.14 | banas | sumanah: Yes, but sadly she's not available this summer. We did interact a couple of times, and she helped out initially :) And cool, I'll rephrase that |
| 14:16.45 | sumanah | "a front end for Revision Control" - lowercase |
| 14:17.27 | sumanah | When you say ""We become what we behold. We shape our tools, and thereafter our tools shape us." " you have quote marks - why? if you are quoting a person or a page, please cite it; otherwise there's no reason to use the quote marks |
| 14:18.30 | sumanah | "Relevant experience" - how long have you been using Linux, Fedora specifically? How about design tools such as Inkscape or the GIMP -- tools designers are likely to use? |
| 14:18.47 | sumanah | (Showing that you are IN your target audience for the tool you're making is a good thing!) |
| 14:19.33 | sumanah | banas: by the way, the issuetracker and blog functionality sound like way too much to add within this summer, in my opinion |
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| 14:19.50 | pratnala | my internet is actiing real weird. |
| 14:20.21 | sumanah | banas: transcluding or linking or otherwise making use of some other issuetracker is going to be a lot more useful and easier than building your own, IMO |
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| 14:20.38 | sumanah | pratnala: no matter which 6 of the 8 tools are selected, there are certain things you will have to learn, implement, do, or make, right? Start thinking about that. |
| 14:20.44 | pratnala | yes |
| 14:21.01 | sumanah | also pratnala if your internet is consistently this hard to use, that is going to make it harder for you to do GSoC |
| 14:21.04 | banas | sumanah: Making those changes. And yeah? OKay, I will indicate that somewhere :) Actually, this is something I came up with recently, so my mentor and I have to work on that :) |
| 14:21.09 | pratnala | most of the tools need to be built on js |
| 14:21.14 | pratnala | it is acting funny today |
| 14:21.17 | pratnala | generally it is fine |
| 14:21.26 | sumanah | so you should say in your proposal what you are going to do to ensure you have good internet access and reliable electrical power |
| 14:21.49 | pratnala | it is fine everyday. no power cuts here. |
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| 14:22.03 | sumanah | I generally recommend that students from South Asia specify that in their proposals |
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| 14:22.17 | pratnala | so now the timeline is the only thorn in my application? or other things need improvment too? |
| 14:22.23 | pratnala | ok i'll mention that |
| 14:22.33 | sumanah | pratnala: there are a lot of things that could be improved in your application but the timeline is the hugest one |
| 14:22.35 | banas | Making use of another bug tracker actually sounds like a good idea, I had thought about that earlier. Mentor said we'd discuss it later and could be a little flexible right now/. |
| 14:22.55 | sumanah | banas: good, good. APIs are marvelous things. :) |
| 14:23.17 | banas | Yes, I have (recently) begun to realize that :D |
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| 14:23.40 | pratnala | what are the other things? |
| 14:23.47 | sumanah | pratnala: Did you try looking at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSOC_2013/Student_Application_Sarupbanskota/Design_Hub%28461%29 as an example of a much more detailed schedule? |
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| 14:23.58 | vibhavsinha | Hello everyone, can submitted proposals be changed after submitting? |
| 14:24.06 | sumanah | vibhavsinha: no |
| 14:24.17 | anth_r | up until the deadline. |
| 14:24.24 | pratnala | yeah im looking at it now |
| 14:24.25 | sumanah | vibhavsinha: however if you think you might need to improve your plans after the deadline |
| 14:24.28 | sumanah | Oh I am sorry |
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| 14:24.43 | sumanah | vibhavsinha: yes, you can update your proposal as many times as you want up until the deadline |
| 14:24.44 | sumanah | !next |
| 14:24.44 | gsocbot | sumanah: "next" is May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline. ( Countdown at http://tinyurl.com/cg526v7 ) |
| 14:24.53 | sumanah | vibhavsinha: but not after the deadline |
| 14:25.08 | sumanah | vibhavsinha: however if you think you might need to improve your plans after the deadline please tell your mentor about it as soon as you can and you and s/he can discuss things |
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| 14:25.36 | sumanah | pratnala: did you see my earlier question about your phrasing "Our repo is having some issues and Ill give the repo link once it is ready but it might take a week"? Why don't you give a link? |
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| 14:26.02 | pratnala | yes i have changed that sentence. it was quite convoluted before. |
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| 14:26.25 | vibhavsinha_ | Thanks! anth_r and sumanah |
| 14:26.30 | sumanah | pratnala: you should capitalize proper nouns consistently -- Google and GitHub in particular |
| 14:26.47 | rihnapstor | guys if I fill proposal * mark fields(especially content) with less details and then provide a link to an external page will it do ? the external page will contain my entire detailed proposal? should I so that or just use the melange provided content field ? |
| 14:27.06 | sumanah | rihnapstor: What does your mentor say? |
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| 14:27.32 | rihnapstor | hi sumanah :) mentor a away for a while |
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| 14:27.51 | rihnapstor | what do you suggest me or recommend me to do ? |
| 14:27.52 | sumanah | pratnala: in US English we don't say "Many a times" -- we say "Often" |
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| 14:28.04 | sumanah | rihnapstor: Put your whole detailed proposal in Melange. |
| 14:28.14 | rihnapstor | yeah ok |
| 14:28.26 | sumanah | And also have a copy of it someplace public, such as your project's wiki or your blog. |
| 14:28.34 | rihnapstor | yeah |
| 14:28.43 | sumanah | pratnala: "This requires a sound knowledge of CSS" Take out the "a". |
| 14:28.56 | rihnapstor | i have it but didn;t updated the melange copy.will be doing it now |
| 14:29.20 | sumanah | "and also requires to identify which tools would benefit developers the most." This phrasing sounds wrong. Try "and means we need to identify which tools would benefit developers the most." |
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| 14:29.52 | sumanah | pratnala: "(out of which 6 will be chosen)" - use active voice, not passive. Who will be choosing the six tools? |
| 14:30.47 | sumanah | pratnala: "User can choose" should be "The user can choose". |
| 14:31.25 | sumanah | pratnala: for the colour picker, your screenshot does not demonstrate where the user would see the corresponding hex value. |
| 14:32.21 | sumanah | pratnala: "Im free throughout the summer and can dedicate as much time as the program demands. My college opens in late July but I can continue as we dont have much load in the first half of the semester so I can keep up the tempo." What is the date when your college opens? How many hours will you be spending in class, and how many on homework? |
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| 14:33.36 | sumanah | pratnala: What research, surveys, conversations, or other resources did you consult to decide on the 7 tool ideas you proposed? Why do you think these are the tools that would offer the most time savings for the most web developers? |
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| 14:35.05 | banas | sumanah: I'm heading for dinner. Once again, thanks and hope to stay in touch with you. :) You're quite active on Twitter, right? |
| 14:35.23 | sumanah | banas: yes, I am on Twitter as @brainwane and I tweet about 1ce a day? |
| 14:35.31 | sumanah | I think that's "sort of active" :-) |
| 14:35.50 | sumanah | night banas, good luck, sorry I didn't have more feedback for you just now, I got distracted by someone who needs a lot more help I think! |
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| 14:35.57 | banas | Haha, I've observed that. I've been followed you the other day :) |
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| 14:36.04 | banas | sumanah: That's perfectly fine :) |
| 14:36.07 | sumanah | :) |
| 14:36.20 | banas | Have a great day. Bye. |
| 14:36.21 | rihnapstor | sumanah: their is 'additional info' field why is it there ? |
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| 14:36.48 | sumanah | rihnapstor: You mean within the Melange interface, for student proposals? |
| 14:36.49 | rihnapstor | it says link to resource which contain additional info ? |
| 14:36.55 | rihnapstor | yes |
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| 14:37.05 | sumanah | rihnapstor: Yes. Have you talked with your mentor about this? I'm guessing the answer is no :( |
| 14:37.13 | rihnapstor | yeah |
| 14:37.15 | rihnapstor | no |
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| 14:37.37 | rihnapstor | He is away for now |
| 14:37.44 | sumanah | rihnapstor: If there are additional things that you think mentors should know about you in order to understand your qualifications or the proposal, then give a link. |
| 14:37.58 | sumanah | !studentguide | rihnapstor |
| 14:37.59 | gsocbot | rihnapstor: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 14:38.06 | sumanah | Please check that and see if it helps you, rihnapstor |
| 14:38.24 | rihnapstor | ok thanks smagnin |
| 14:38.35 | rihnapstor | oopss ok thanks sumanah |
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| 14:40.40 | sumanah | !next |
| 14:40.42 | gsocbot | sumanah: "next" is May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline. ( Countdown at http://tinyurl.com/cg526v7 ) |
| 14:41.11 | sumanah | It's a little over 4 hours till the deadline for GSoC student applications. |
| 14:41.32 | pratnala | sumanah: the mentor will choose the 6. ok i'll add that in the screenshot for the colour picker. yes i'll correct the proper nouns thanks for pointing it out. |
| 14:41.43 | pratnala | of the 7 tools, 5 are suggested on the ideas page. |
| 14:41.50 | sumanah | Then say that. |
| 14:41.52 | iRaghu | 4 hours to go *scared* |
| 14:42.10 | pratnala | say that the mentor will choose? |
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| 14:43.18 | sumanah | pratnala: everything you're saying to me right now, find a way to incorporate into your proposal. |
| 14:43.22 | chro | hi. |
| 14:43.32 | chro | I don't know what to write in the short description |
| 14:43.34 | sumanah | After all, I won't be judging your proposal; the Mozilla mentors will. |
| 14:43.39 | chro | is there any example I can see? |
| 14:43.41 | pratnala | yes im noting them down. |
| 14:43.44 | sumanah | Hi chro - you mean in your GSoC application? |
| 14:43.53 | chro | yeah |
| 14:43.53 | pratnala | timeline i need to work on it a LOT still |
| 14:44.05 | chro | yes sumanah |
| 14:44.09 | sumanah | https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!forum/google-summer-of-code-discuss for people who want to look at what other applicants have asked recently |
| 14:44.18 | sumanah | chro: ok. Would you like to share a link to your proposal and we can help you? |
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| 14:45.45 | sumanah | pratnala: I have not covered everything else that you could improve in your application. Honestly, I think you need to work a lot on your timeline so you ought to concentrate on that. You need to demonstrate to the mentors (in my opinion) that you have thought through what it actually will take to build this software |
| 14:45.54 | chro | sumanah, I just want to know if I should write a little bit of everything, like my background, schedule, etc or if I should be more focused on other things |
| 14:46.07 | pratnala | thanks, im working on it now. i'll keep u posted |
| 14:46.43 | sumanah | pratnala: you don't need to keep me posted and I will probably concentrate on helping other people instead (over the next 4 hours) but I appreciate the thought and I hope things work out well |
| 14:46.55 | pratnala | thanks a lot sumanah |
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| 14:47.02 | sumanah | chro: I believe for your "short description" you should summarize what you aim to accomplish with your project - the end result and why it will benefit users |
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| 14:47.21 | sumanah | but chro you should check whether your mentoring organization has advice for you - your mentor can help |
| 14:47.58 | chro | sumanah, my mentor is already very happy with my proposal. |
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| 14:48.08 | sumanah | then that's great :-) |
| 14:48.19 | chro | :) |
| 14:48.42 | chro | but I want to write something more with the short description. I will do as you said. thanks |
| 14:49.01 | rihnapstor | sumanah:may I know what withdraw proposal do ? if I ckecked 'yes' ? |
| 14:49.19 | sumanah | rihnapstor: first let's see what you think it does. What do you think it would do? |
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| 14:50.41 | rihnapstor | trash the proposal out |
| 14:50.44 | pratnala | kaboom |
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| 14:52.36 | sumanah | rihnapstor: yes. It's a way for a student to say 'I changed my mind and I do not want to submit this proposal.' |
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| 14:53.26 | rihnapstor | yeah ok guess came true |
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| 14:53.48 | sumanah | rihnapstor: When you are finished with your proposal, I highly recommend you look at http://open-advice.org/ and read the book (it is a free download) |
| 14:54.08 | rihnapstor | I have read it earlier sumanah |
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| 14:54.18 | rihnapstor | thaks for suggestion btw :) |
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| 14:54.34 | rihnapstor | why did you recommend me that pdf ? |
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| 14:55.34 | sumanah | rihnapstor: You may need to reread it then :-) |
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| 14:56.00 | ab_ | would anyone be willing to review my proposal? http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/bendtherules/1 |
| 14:57.13 | sumanah | rihnapstor: the chapter "the art of problem solving" and the advice throughout on how to collaborate well :) |
| 14:57.15 | sumanah | ab_: sure |
| 14:57.58 | sumanah | ab_: "Prepare documentation" what kind of documentation? |
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| 14:58.23 | rihnapstor | yeah will suer read it again after student deadline |
| 14:58.26 | sumanah | ab_: I like your "possible hurdles" section |
| 14:58.34 | sumanah | ab_: "GSOC" I think the proper abbreviation is GSoC |
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| 14:59.13 | ab_ | documentation for the end users |
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| 14:59.32 | ab_ | ok, will make that Gsoc |
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| 14:59.39 | sumanah | ab_: "Passed High School, Ongoing B. Tech" I think what you would say in US English is "Graduated from high school and accepted into BESU where I will be a first-year student in Aerospace engineering towards a B. Tech" |
| 14:59.44 | sumanah | ab_: no, GSoC |
| 14:59.57 | rihnapstor | sumanah: I have exams contraints from may 11 to june 7 so which section will it come under ? proposal timeline probably ? |
| 15:00.04 | ab_ | oops.. GSoC.. got it |
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| 15:00.23 | sumanah | ab_: ok, documentation for the end users is good. What about a code walkthrough or architecture diagrams or class annotations for future developers? will you also write that? |
| 15:00.29 | paultag | 55 |
| 15:00.31 | paultag | Whoops. |
| 15:00.34 | sumanah | hi paultag! |
| 15:00.38 | paultag | hi, sumanah! |
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| 15:01.00 | sumanah | rihnapstor: I think you should mention it both in your proposal timeline and anywhere else that you are specifying how you will participate in the project |
| 15:01.08 | ab_ | i am not sure about the exact exam dates.. what should i do? |
| 15:01.19 | sumanah | ab_: do you know anything about the range of dates it might be? |
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| 15:01.30 | ab_ | yes, somewhat |
| 15:01.41 | sumanah | Say what you can and say that you are uncertain about what you are uncertain about. Act like an engineer. Contain the risk. :-) |
| 15:02.15 | sumanah | ab_ "Mostly, I am into game development, with python , gamemaker and javascript." You have an extraneous space here (before the comma) and you need to capitalize consistently when you use proper nouns such as Python. |
| 15:03.17 | sumanah | ab_ In "prior exposure to biology or bioinformatics" you could also mention if you enjoy reading books about biology or you have played with bioinformatics software |
| 15:03.40 | ab_ | I can do a walkthrough. But it is probably not necessary here because this project will help only in importing different formats of data.. probably less than 10 functions for the developers.. |
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| 15:04.22 | ab_ | actually.. the end-user here is developer using the api |
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| 15:05.28 | sumanah | ab_: "Xml" should be XML. "json" should generally be JSON. |
| 15:06.06 | ab_ | architecture diagram/ class annotation is a good idea. but I have not done such things before.. |
| 15:06.18 | sumanah | There's always a first time! |
| 15:06.27 | sumanah | "I am aware that new GSOC applicants like me tend to propose a lot more than they can actually complete, so I have tried not to fall in that trap. But these extras are here, because I plan to do them in the future, within or after GSOC." I am so happy you are saying this. |
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| 15:06.41 | sumanah | Here you are showing metacognition, which is rare and welcome! |
| 15:06.48 | ab_ | I must take a capitalisation class or something.. thanks for pointing all those |
| 15:07.18 | sumanah | "Also, as a side note, in future, I wish to release this codes as a separate jS library for converting customized-xml formats into json (I hope my mentoring org will allow this)." In US English we don't say "this codes" - we would say "this code" |
| 15:07.46 | ab_ | can you give me some example/link for architecture diagram/ class annotation? |
| 15:08.06 | sumanah | so: "Also, as a side note, in the future, I would like to release this code as a separate JS library for converting customized-XML formats into JSON, unless the mentoring org has a reason why this would be a bad idea." |
| 15:08.37 | ab_ | btw, how to save the log of this conversation? |
| 15:08.48 | sumanah | "but I think its best kept to Microsoft Excel" you want "it's" here. |
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| 15:09.27 | sumanah | ab_: Most of us use dedicated IRC clients such as XChat that log on the client side |
| 15:09.35 | sumanah | ab_: there is a bot here that gives a log the next day |
| 15:09.36 | sumanah | !logs |
| 15:09.36 | gsocbot | sumanah: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 15:09.59 | sumanah | ab_: I'm happy to email you the log of this conversation with you once we're substantially done, if that makes sense |
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| 15:10.20 | sumanah | or you could just copy and paste the Freenode webchat log into a text file, which is reasonably quick for you to do |
| 15:10.21 | ab_ | that will be great.. irc port is blocked in my university.. |
| 15:10.34 | pratnala | !timeline |
| 15:10.34 | gsocbot | pratnala: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 |
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| 15:10.50 | sumanah | ab_: do you think your university would listen to a letter from a Wikimedia Foundation employee saying "please open your IRC port"? |
| 15:10.53 | sumanah | :( |
| 15:11.00 | swook | sumanah: how in the world do you keep motivation up to review tens of proposals from people who you may never speak to again? |
| 15:11.03 | rambabusaravanan | then you may change proxy settings |
| 15:11.15 | swook | ab_: you can see logs online as sumanah has mentioned |
| 15:12.11 | sumanah | swook: Well, I enjoy doing it. But also there are a lot of people who helped me when I was getting started. And in the course of these reviews I'm also helping make open source better, because I am reminding new contributors of important practices and gotchas -- i18n, testing, documentation, security, accessibility, and so on. |
| 15:12.21 | psie | hello |
| 15:12.25 | sumanah | hi psie |
| 15:12.51 | psie | could someone check on my proposal, please? http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/psie/1# |
| 15:12.53 | sumanah | ab_: let me try to find you some example class diagram or architecture description stuff. |
| 15:12.55 | sumanah | ab_: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:MediaWiki_architecture |
| 15:13.11 | ab_ | wikimedia letter.. that will be great.. but the sad thing is they just might not open the email.. so lazy admins.. |
| 15:13.29 | sumanah | ab_ https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Schema |
| 15:13.35 | ab_ | swook: yes i can see the logs |
| 15:13.37 | sumanah | ab_: paper mail? |
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| 15:13.51 | sumanah | psie: in a few minutes I will, if no one else is helping you |
| 15:14.03 | sumanah | gevaerts: got some time to help some students with their proposals? |
| 15:14.04 | psie | sumanah: thanks in advance |
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| 15:14.44 | pratnala | sumanah: I have re-written commitments and post gsoc. can u give some feedback? still working on timeline. |
| 15:14.54 | sumanah | ab_ so here https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/MediaWiki_1.20_%2844edaa2%29_database_schema.svg/2193px-MediaWiki_1.20_%2844edaa2%29_database_schema.svg.png is a database schema diagram |
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| 15:15.38 | sumanah | ab_ there is a free book http://www.aosabook.org/en/index.html that you can skim that covers the architecture of several open source applications -- I think you might like reading it, and I think it would help you understand what good architectural applications look like |
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| 15:16.00 | sumanah | pratnala: I have already spent some time helping you and need to help other people. Could you ask your mentoring organization for feedback instead? |
| 15:16.14 | ab_ | sumanah: yes, that will probably be much much more effective.. |
| 15:16.36 | ab_ | good, looking into it.. |
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| 15:16.52 | sumanah | ab_ I should have thought of it immediately! There are two volumes to "The Architecture of Open Source Applications" and they are both free to read and download online. |
| 15:16.59 | sumanah | I cowrote the chapter on MediaWiki. |
| 15:17.08 | ankitmahato | !logs |
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| 15:19.13 | sumanah | ab_ in your proposal I think you need to specifically talk more clearly and in more detail about how you will test things (manually? with unit tests? on which platforms? via what test environments?), whether you will have to spend extra time dealing with non-Latin charactersets, what level of speed (performance) is acceptable, whether you will be able to deal with badly formed XML or other corrupt markup, and time for bugfixing and merge |
| 15:19.23 | chetna | could someone give a quick-review about my proposal, |
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| 15:19.53 | chetna | my mentor is quite busy till the deadline |
| 15:19.55 | sumanah | ok, ab_ I think that gives you a lot to work on :-) (that plus checking for capitalization, spacing, punctuation,etc.) so I'm gonna move on. Good luck! |
| 15:20.12 | sumanah | psie: hi there |
| 15:20.28 | sumanah | psie: you haven't made your proposal public |
| 15:20.35 | sumanah | may I please see it so I can read it and give you feedback? |
| 15:20.42 | sumanah | chetna: after I'm done with psie if I have time I will help you |
| 15:21.04 | chetna | okay sumanah :) |
| 15:21.44 | psie | of course, I thought it was public, I'm experencing serious connection problems |
| 15:21.54 | ab_ | sumanah: thanks.. working on them.. |
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| 15:22.16 | sumanah | ab_: you are welcome. I have emailed you a log |
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| 15:23.25 | gh_ | !next |
| 15:23.32 | gsocbot | gh_: "next" is May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline. ( Countdown at http://tinyurl.com/cg526v7 ) |
| 15:23.32 | sumanah | chetna: link? |
| 15:23.32 | sumanah | to your proposal |
| 15:24.50 | chetna | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/chetna/1 sumanah |
| 15:25.09 | sumanah | thank you chetna - reading now |
| 15:25.15 | laurion | I'd like some advice about proposals, too :) |
| 15:25.23 | sumanah | chetna: "Microsft" - misspelled |
| 15:25.34 | sumanah | "Microsoft Acad Accelerator ." - extraneous space before period |
| 15:25.54 | sumanah | laurion: go ahead and put the link in the channel, maybe someone will help you, me if I have time after chetna and psie |
| 15:26.08 | hratsimihah | hi all |
| 15:26.11 | laurion | okay sumanah |
| 15:26.12 | laurion | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/laurentiu_ion/12001 |
| 15:26.23 | laurion | work in progress ^ |
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| 15:26.37 | hratsimihah | laurion: you need to make it public. |
| 15:27.01 | chetna | sumanah: done , would u mind if i share a google doc for the discussion about the proposal? |
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| 15:27.24 | simply_ | hello |
| 15:27.29 | josko | Hello! |
| 15:27.35 | carols | hello simply_ |
| 15:27.36 | hratsimihah | hello! |
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| 15:28.12 | sumanah | chetna: ok |
| 15:28.51 | simply_ | I might be a little late in asking but what is the best way to approach with a project that is your own and not on an idea page? |
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| 15:29.05 | sumanah | !studentguide | simply_ |
| 15:29.05 | gsocbot | simply_: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 15:29.07 | hratsimihah | laurion: how was the trip to Google? |
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| 15:29.16 | sumanah | go ahead and check that out simply_ - it'll tell you what you need |
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| 15:29.43 | sumanah | chetna: I think it's "ncurses" not "n-curses" |
| 15:30.14 | sumanah | chetna: in general be consistent with capitalization, e.g., Sympy vs sympy |
| 15:30.25 | laurion | hratsimihah, greatest ever, the one this year I heard was even better, yesterday the winners returned from the trip. I couldn't participate again because I'm over 18 :( |
| 15:31.02 | hratsimihah | haha, awesome! it's not surprising from Google. |
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| 15:31.27 | psie | sumanah: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/psie/1 |
| 15:31.48 | simply_ | thanks help even if i know that i can't do it now oh well |
| 15:32.02 | sumanah | chetna: in your proposal I think you need to specifically talk more clearly and in more detail about how you will test things (manually? with unit tests? on which platforms? via what test environments?), bugfixing, what level of speed (performance) is acceptable, and time for documentation and merge with master |
| 15:32.51 | chetna | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1azUnp5vjc7H5CCQgr97VklVR3mV2UdJuuxF7EVv83J8/edit |
| 15:32.54 | sumanah | also chetna please be careful with what you capitalize and with your punctuation |
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| 15:33.24 | sumanah | chetna: I hope that is helpful |
| 15:33.29 | sumanah | ok, next, psie |
| 15:33.49 | chetna | thks sumanah |
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| 15:34.43 | sumanah | psie: in your proposal I think you need to specifically talk more clearly and in more detail about how you will test things (manually? with unit tests? on which platforms? via what test environments?), bugfixing, what level of speed (performance) is acceptable, and time for documentation and merge with master |
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| 15:35.19 | somsubhra | Hello, I had a query: Is it not possible to embed a video in the proposal? |
| 15:35.29 | sumanah | also psie will you be merging as you go, every few weeks? |
| 15:35.31 | sumanah | (with master) |
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| 15:36.01 | sumanah | psie: "weekly resumes" A better word would be "reports" or "summaries" |
| 15:36.08 | psie | I'd rather merge after the mid-term, and once I'm finished again |
| 15:36.39 | sumanah | psie: then you should say that in the proposal, and allot time for resolving merge conflicts |
| 15:36.49 | chro | what types of additional info can I include for my proposal? |
| 15:36.54 | sumanah | psie: and you should state what your likely work hours are, so other people know when to catch you on IRC |
| 15:36.57 | sumanah | !studentguide | chro |
| 15:36.58 | gsocbot | chro: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 15:37.03 | psie | alright, Ill take that into account |
| 15:37.09 | psie | OK |
| 15:37.37 | sumanah | psie: Who's your mentor? Naming her or him would be good |
| 15:37.49 | hratsimihah | somsubhra: you can add a link to it. |
| 15:37.51 | simply_ | if we were going to go ahead with our project on our own due to not having full time for the Google summer of code any tips? |
| 15:38.00 | psie | sumanah: to be honest, I havent contacted mentor directly yet |
| 15:38.07 | sumanah | psie: you should do that immediately right now now |
| 15:38.09 | hratsimihah | psie: not goood. |
| 15:38.28 | psie | I'll in a minute |
| 15:38.34 | sumanah | simply_: http://openhatch.org/ and http://open-advice.org/ have a lot of advice for you |
| 15:38.43 | chro | sumanah, I meant, there is a field called "Additional Info ( Link to a resource containing more information about your proposal )" |
| 15:38.46 | somsubhra | hratsimihah: Yeah that's what I did right now. Adding the iframe just gives me the HTML code |
| 15:39.09 | chro | what kind of stuff should I link there. |
| 15:39.09 | psie | sumanah: you really helped me a lot, thank you! |
| 15:39.24 | sumanah | chro: If there are additional things that you think mentors should know about you in order to understand your qualifications or the proposal, then give a link. |
| 15:39.27 | simply_ | thanks would setting up an site for collaboration be really needed or would it be best to just work with people personally? |
| 15:39.29 | sumanah | psie: Glad to ehlp |
| 15:39.31 | hratsimihah | somsubhra: you added the iframe by editing the html directly? |
| 15:39.34 | sumanah | simply_: work with the existing project |
| 15:39.43 | chro | ok thanks |
| 15:39.50 | somsubhra | hratsimihah: Yep. |
| 15:39.52 | sumanah | simply_: join their mailing lists, get an account on their wiki, join their IRC channel or forum |
| 15:40.09 | sumanah | laurion: hi there |
| 15:40.11 | simply_ | oh I was talking about starting a project myself |
| 15:40.20 | laurion | sumanah, hi :) |
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| 15:40.36 | sumanah | simply_: "I am available every day of this summer, except a small period at the beginning of July when I have a few exams." you should be specific |
| 15:40.56 | tnkhanh | hi, when is the deadline to submit student proposal? |
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| 15:41.00 | sumanah | simply_: #openhatch is a good place to talk about this. #gsoc isn't right now - people are busy with the last few hours of revising their proposals before a deadline |
| 15:41.02 | sumanah | !next | tnkhanh |
| 15:41.03 | gsocbot | tnkhanh: "next" is May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline. ( Countdown at http://tinyurl.com/cg526v7 ) |
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| 15:41.13 | sumanah | I'm sorry, I meant to say: |
| 15:41.18 | sumanah | laurion: "I am available every day of this summer, except a small period at the beginning of July when I have a few exams." you should be specific |
| 15:41.20 | laurion | sumanah okay |
| 15:41.30 | simply_ | sry and thanks i will move there |
| 15:41.41 | laurion | i noticed |
| 15:41.52 | tnkhanh | gsocbot: so 3 hours and 18 mintues left |
| 15:42.04 | sumanah | laurion: I fundamentally disagree with you in your attitude towards planning |
| 15:42.14 | hratsimihah | !next |
| 15:42.15 | gsocbot | hratsimihah: "next" is May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline. ( Countdown at http://tinyurl.com/cg526v7 ) |
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| 15:42.32 | hratsimihah | tnkhanh: I think he's a bot. |
| 15:42.42 | tnkhanh | !next |
| 15:42.43 | gsocbot | tnkhanh: "next" is May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline. ( Countdown at http://tinyurl.com/cg526v7 ) |
| 15:42.46 | sumanah | laurion: given your stance, though, I think it's worth at least listing out some of the TODOs necessary in more detail |
| 15:42.55 | tnkhanh | yeah, isee :D |
| 15:43.03 | hratsimihah | ^^ |
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| 15:43.25 | sumanah | laurion: have you seen the advice I've been giving in this channel to other people? |
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| 15:44.18 | sumanah | also laurion I presume that you'll have the screenshot and a GitHub issue link in your proposal by the time you submit it? |
| 15:44.34 | tnkhanh | Hi, if there is only 3hours left, is it such a rush to edit your proposal? |
| 15:44.39 | sumanah | yes tnkhanh |
| 15:45.07 | sumanah | don't wait till the last minute to submit your proposal. Melange sometimes gets slow and overloaded with the last-minute rush. |
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| 15:45.33 | tnkhanh | sure thanks |
| 15:45.43 | pratnala | can i press submit and then edit it? i want to save my progress |
| 15:45.43 | tnkhanh | i regret not doing this sooner :( |
| 15:45.45 | laurion | sumanah, I haven't been seen other advice. I am trying to make a better plan, it's just very hard without thorough research, and I am quite out of time. |
| 15:45.55 | hratsimihah | pratnala: yes. |
| 15:45.57 | sumanah | pratnala: yes you can. |
| 15:46.00 | sumanah | and you should pratnala |
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| 15:46.12 | jjs1 | Howdy. How many words do other students' proposals have? :-) |
| 15:46.13 | laurion | sumanah, I will complete the screenshot and maybe a patch if i'm lucky |
| 15:46.18 | hratsimihah | sumanah: I'm competing with you to help people, to repay what you did to me. |
| 15:46.26 | sumanah | tnkhanh: You have now learned a valuable lesson for the next time you apply for something |
| 15:46.34 | dmp | jjs1: depends on organisation |
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| 15:46.58 | sumanah | jjs1: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSOC_2013/Student_Application_Sarupbanskota/Design_Hub%28461%29 is a sample proposal that I like |
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| 15:47.09 | sumanah | a proposal that was accepted last year: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Jarry1250/GSoC_2012_application |
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| 15:47.22 | sumanah | hratsimihah: that is a really happy-making thing - thank you so much |
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| 15:47.36 | sumanah | laurion: then go ahead and do that and I wish you luck and speed |
| 15:47.59 | sumanah | laurion: one thing I've been saying a lot: specifically talk more clearly and in more detail about how you will test things (manually? with unit tests? on which platforms? via what test environments?), bugfixing, what level of speed (performance) is acceptable, and time for documentation and merge with master |
| 15:48.46 | jjs1 | Ahah! I think I have about the right length then. Thanks. :-) |
| 15:49.09 | sumanah | I need to head off now and may not be back before the deadline. I wish all of you curiosity, camaraderie, and confidence |
| 15:49.10 | tnkhanh | sumanah: sure. I see :D |
| 15:49.25 | swook | jjs1: it all really depends on your organisation's template |
| 15:49.41 | swook | thank you for all of your advices and help sumanah |
| 15:49.53 | swook | I think a lot of students owe you their appreciation |
| 15:50.17 | sumanah | Aw thank you swook! |
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| 15:50.39 | hratsimihah | thank you sumanah! |
| 15:50.39 | jjs1 | Alright, has anybody here written a proposal for the W3C? :-) |
| 15:50.45 | sumanah | Tell your friends about Wikimedia - we accept contributors, patches, edits, and nice talkpage messages :) |
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| 15:52.01 | pratnala | thank you sumanah! you helped me a great deal! |
| 15:52.50 | tnkhanh | can a mentor be assigned to more than 1 students? |
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| 15:53.06 | carols | tnkhanh: sure |
| 15:53.45 | tnkhanh | and can an idea have more than 1 student working on? |
| 15:53.53 | carols | tnkhanh: nope. |
| 15:54.16 | carols | not unless the org chooses to use two slots for that idea and have two students working on it independently and see who produces the better result. |
| 15:54.22 | carols | but it doesn't sound like that's what you meant. |
| 15:54.33 | pratnala | carols: how many slots does an org get? or is it decided later? |
| 15:54.39 | carols | pratnala: it depends. |
| 15:54.49 | carols | it's decided later, and the date it on the timeline. |
| 15:55.05 | tnkhanh | hm this is challenging :) |
| 15:55.09 | pratnala | !timeline |
| 15:55.10 | gsocbot | pratnala: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 |
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| 15:56.11 | pratnala | !next |
| 15:56.13 | gsocbot | pratnala: "next" is May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline. ( Countdown at http://tinyurl.com/cg526v7 ) |
| 15:56.18 | paultag | oh snap, today. |
| 15:56.25 | paultag | no wonder I got a flood of emails last night |
| 15:56.28 | pratnala | 3 hours are left. Is that correct? |
| 15:56.46 | josko | There's a countdown a few lines above. |
| 15:56.50 | josko | http://tinyurl.com/cg526v7 |
| 15:56.54 | pratnala | What is current time of Melange server, carols? |
| 15:56.57 | pratnala | thanks josko! |
| 15:57.02 | carols | pratnala: melange server? |
| 15:57.07 | carols | i don't know what you mean. |
| 15:57.37 | pratnala | my pc time might not be the same time as the server where applications are hosted. |
| 15:57.55 | carols | pratnala: ah, but we don't base the deadlines on the server. we base it on the time. |
| 15:57.56 | carols | in the world. |
| 15:57.59 | jjs1 | Three hours left! Don't panic! Don't panic! Three hours left! :-) |
| 15:58.28 | pratnala | yeah the countdown im keeping track. thanks again josko! |
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| 15:59.08 | tnkhanh | jjs1: haha. cheerss |
| 15:59.44 | mrtadis | Oh... time to start looking for an org., or I should take a nap first? |
| 15:59.54 | pratnala | mrtadis: r u kidding? ;) |
| 16:00.01 | mrtadis | :D |
| 16:00.01 | vvu|Mobile | always thinks good after a nap |
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| 16:02.31 | chetna | sumanah: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/chetna/1 i have added the suggestions you suggested just in the begining of my timeline, would you mind reviewing it , do i need to elaborate it in more depth, thks alot for your valuable feedback |
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| 16:03.21 | David_Honeynet | chetna: sumanah had to leave |
| 16:03.31 | zamn | Hi, when I go to an orgs project page I see 'list of projects accepted into org'. What does this mean? |
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| 16:03.49 | carols | zamn: what's the link? |
| 16:04.00 | chetna | could someone else help me out in tht case |
| 16:04.09 | carols | chetna: sure, you can speak to your org about it. |
| 16:04.12 | carols | they can help you. |
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| 16:04.25 | zamn | carols: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2012/pidgin |
| 16:04.38 | carols | zamn: that's the accepted projects for pidgin for last year's program. |
| 16:04.40 | vvu|Mobile | it's 2012 |
| 16:04.50 | zamn | omg. ~_~ lol |
| 16:04.53 | zamn | sorry |
| 16:04.58 | carols | no problem. |
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| 16:05.15 | ankitmahato | anyone online who is applying under PSF? |
| 16:05.18 | jjs1 | chetna: Your proposal makes my brain ache. Does that help? :-) |
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| 16:05.30 | mrtadis | I was thinking about that Mars colonization mission in ~2023, they should take all of GSOC students there. That would be a real start |
| 16:05.37 | chetna | my mentor is quie busy carol ! he won't be able to look into it till the end of the deadline , he suggested some further extensions of the proposal which i have already included |
| 16:06.10 | chetna | jjs1: i am sorry for tht |
| 16:06.11 | carols | chetna: well, you've had two weeks to do this... |
| 16:06.29 | carols | so your mentor is allowed to have a life outside reviewing your proposal. |
| 16:06.57 | zamn | The org I am applying to doesn't actually give feedback on applications.. |
| 16:07.50 | pratnala | is getting tensed! first gsoc |
| 16:07.57 | chetna | hehe oka carol :) |
| 16:08.12 | carols | :-) |
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| 16:09.40 | GorillaWarfare | gives pratnala a cup of tea |
| 16:09.50 | pratnala | thanks GorillaWarfare |
| 16:09.54 | pratnala | nice nick btw ;) |
| 16:10.02 | GorillaWarfare | Heh, thanks |
| 16:10.13 | pratnala | do first time gsocers get selected? any stats (ballpark)/ |
| 16:10.16 | pratnala | ? |
| 16:10.42 | carols | pratnala: of course they get selected. |
| 16:10.56 | carols | not everyone who participates has already participated, that wouldn't work logically :-) |
| 16:11.02 | pratnala | thanks, i'm just incredibly tensed |
| 16:11.12 | carols | have some tea. |
| 16:11.16 | carols | serves some tea. |
| 16:11.18 | pratnala | haha didnt think about that |
| 16:11.34 | pratnala | thanks carols but doesn't drink coffee and tea :P |
| 16:11.41 | carols | have some water. |
| 16:11.43 | carols | do some yoga. |
| 16:11.45 | chetna | pratnala: i share your set of feelings \first tim gsocer/ |
| 16:11.50 | pratnala | no time for yoga :P |
| 16:12.08 | carols | besides, nothing important is happening today. decisions aren't made until the 27th. |
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| 16:12.20 | pratnala | but i need to finish the application heh |
| 16:12.20 | jjs1 | It's possible to be a programmer without drinking caffeine? |
| 16:12.25 | pratnala | last minute tweaks |
| 16:12.26 | ankitmahato | chetna : how many people are applying from IIIT H? |
| 16:12.35 | pratnala | jjs1: of course! like me |
| 16:12.49 | pratnala | and i have stayed quite late in the night. |
| 16:13.00 | chetna | ankitmahato: how do u know i am from iiit :P |
| 16:13.01 | pratnala | washes his face and drinks water to stay late night |
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| 16:13.21 | jjs1 | I'll have to try it when I come down from the last three years of two coffees per day! :-) |
| 16:13.27 | ankitmahato | chetna: its written on your proposal :P |
| 16:13.36 | hasil1 | Any one from BITS Pilani ? |
| 16:13.43 | pratnala | anyone from iit bombay? |
| 16:13.48 | pratnala | lots of indians here ;) |
| 16:14.12 | chetna | ohh .. from college are you ? ankitmahato <nice nick> |
| 16:14.22 | ankitmahato | pratnala: me from IIT K :) |
| 16:14.30 | pratnala | ah nice to meet u |
| 16:14.41 | ankitmahato | same to you :) |
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| 16:14.55 | sunu | iitians and iiitians .. consider me jealous :3 |
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| 16:15.01 | zamn | Isn't IIT the best technical school in India? |
| 16:15.05 | pratnala | sunu, from where are you? |
| 16:15.08 | pratnala | zamn it is ! |
| 16:15.11 | zamn | nice :D |
| 16:15.12 | ankitmahato | zamn: yes it is ;) |
| 16:15.25 | InfinityL | can anyone please give me some feedback on my proposal - https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/nak123/15001 |
| 16:15.26 | zamn | That's all I know about it heh |
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| 16:15.29 | chetna | no zamn :P |
| 16:15.39 | sunu | pratnala: India and a not good enough to get into one :p |
| 16:15.49 | chetna | we have iiit hyd in the league too :P |
| 16:15.57 | pratnala | sunu: which univ? |
| 16:16.23 | ankitmahato | well chetna no doubt IIIT H have a very nice coding culture :) |
| 16:16.31 | sunu | BPUT, orissa. It's one of the worst on this planet :P |
| 16:16.37 | jjs1 | InfinityL: "sometime" in the first paragraph should be "some time". |
| 16:16.38 | sunu | pratnala: ^ |
| 16:16.44 | pratnala | IIIT H is considered the best for CS after IITB apparently |
| 16:16.48 | pratnala | sunu oh |
| 16:17.01 | InfinityL | jjs1: sure thing...updating.... |
| 16:17.12 | ankitmahato | sunu: college is not important, knowledge is :) |
| 16:17.18 | pratnala | any feedback? https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/pratnala/1 |
| 16:17.26 | zamn | InfinityL: you are a mozilla contributer and *not* applying to mozilla? :O |
| 16:17.26 | pratnala | ankitmahato: Exactly! |
| 16:17.30 | sunu | And I am probably the only one applying from orissa anyway :/ |
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| 16:17.46 | sunu | ankitmahato: but company matters really :) |
| 16:18.07 | sunu | I miss being among people actually interested in cs |
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| 16:18.12 | InfinityL | zamn: I'll contribute to it anyway ;) I already have two projects going on. I've always wanted to do something for python , this is my chance :) |
| 16:18.32 | jjs1 | InfinityL: The link to your résumé is missing. |
| 16:18.44 | pratnala | should we submit our resumes as well? |
| 16:19.02 | InfinityL | jjs1: ah! yeah...wondering where i should upload that o_O |
| 16:19.04 | chetna | ^ ditto question i wanted to ask ? |
| 16:19.11 | sunu | Everyone here seems to be interested in doing the coursework only which has 60% electronics, and 0% software engineering. :( |
| 16:19.26 | InfinityL | chetna pratnala: Depends on which org you are applying to... |
| 16:19.33 | sunu | pratnala: chetna it depends |
| 16:19.44 | ankitmahato | my org told me to put my resume if i wanted |
| 16:19.58 | jjs1 | I uploaded mine to Dropbox. I included a link to it but I'm not expecting it to be read as part of the proposal. Seems sensible to me. |
| 16:20.01 | sunu | ankitmahato: which org ? |
| 16:20.03 | chetna | is it a good option to put resume ? |
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| 16:20.37 | alexm_ | Is there a place on the melange website for mentors where they can see all students' proposals for their organization? |
| 16:20.45 | InfinityL | jjs1: fair enough :) |
| 16:20.51 | sunu | chetna: ask your mentor may be, if they want it. |
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| 16:21.49 | jjs1 | Google Drive also supports hosting of files with public links. :-) |
| 16:21.58 | sunu | My org(s) are fine with no resume, I have previous contribution to convince them I know some stuff :D \o/ |
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| 16:22.36 | ankitmahato | sunu: psf |
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| 16:23.10 | sunu | ankitmahato: I'm applying for psf too and moinmoin. |
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| 16:23.42 | JordiGH | It seems to me that applicants have a really hard time spending time trying to learn about the project they're applying to (reading its source code or its mailing lists). |
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| 16:24.03 | pratnala | we r noobs in a sense. never read such large code bases! |
| 16:24.03 | JordiGH | "Are there examples of commit messages anywhere?" :-/ |
| 16:24.14 | sunu | ankitmahato: which sub-org or for cpython ? I'm applying for openhatch actually. :) |
| 16:24.15 | JordiGH | Yes, the actual commit messages are examples. |
| 16:24.26 | ankitmahato | sunu: cool :) |
| 16:24.40 | ankitmahato | i'm for sfepy |
| 16:25.43 | sunu | ankitmahato: great :) may be we'll meet at pycon india if a lot of things fall in place :P |
| 16:26.09 | sunu | pratnala: Diving in early and asking a lot of questions always helps :D |
| 16:26.12 | ankitmahato | sunu: yeah that would be grt :) |
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| 16:26.30 | pratnala | sunu: luckily the project i took is a brand new one |
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| 16:27.01 | sunu | ankitmahato: It'll be my first pycon if I can make it this year :) I am quite excited already :-P |
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| 16:27.52 | ankitmahato | sunu: best of luck :) |
| 16:27.53 | sunu | pratnala: then it'll be easier hopefully and mentors of smaller projects are more welcoming IMHO |
| 16:28.15 | sunu | ankitmahato: thanks :-) |
| 16:28.23 | Coreyzz | Hello everyone |
| 16:28.44 | carols | hello Coreyzz |
| 16:29.00 | pratnala | sunu: but the org is mozilla :P |
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| 16:30.34 | system64 | pratnala: Which project did you apply? |
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| 16:30.54 | sunu | pratnala: ah are you applying for the language of mozilla ? |
| 16:30.58 | pratnala | MDN TOOlS |
| 16:31.21 | pratnala | MDN Tools |
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| 16:31.41 | sunu | oh .. I was talking about rust .. nevermind |
| 16:32.26 | system64 | pratnala: Why is your zip file too big then? :P |
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| 16:32.58 | pratnala | thats the zip file for our univ's website family |
| 16:33.04 | pratnala | i am the web manager |
| 16:33.10 | pratnala | repo not working tats why |
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| 16:34.33 | pratnala | feedback? https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/pratnala/1 |
| 16:35.02 | chro | Would it be possible to extend the deadline? |
| 16:35.16 | pratnala | chro: they are very strict. no extensions |
| 16:35.23 | chro | ok |
| 16:35.35 | pratnala | !next |
| 16:35.36 | gsocbot | pratnala: "next" is May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline. ( Countdown at http://tinyurl.com/cg526v7 ) |
| 16:35.54 | pratnala | 2h 24min!!! |
| 16:36.12 | chro | great proposal pratnala |
| 16:36.50 | jjs1 | I've just realised my 'short description' is over the 500 character limit. |
| 16:36.57 | jjs1 | I thought it was 500 words! :-( |
| 16:37.01 | josko | :DDD |
| 16:37.04 | jjs1 | Will this be a problem? |
| 16:37.12 | summatusmentis | jjs1: very possibly |
| 16:37.24 | summatusmentis | think of it as the elevator pitch |
| 16:37.34 | schumaml | just imagine that: the mentor is most likely going to read the description on their phone these days |
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| 16:37.52 | schumaml | if you don't get their attention withone one screen height, you're out :) |
| 16:37.57 | chro | should I link my CV/Reume within my proposal ? |
| 16:37.58 | schumaml | *within |
| 16:38.03 | pratnala | ur choice chro |
| 16:38.04 | jjs1 | It flows well. In fact It's very well written (if you don't mind me saying so). |
| 16:38.12 | GorillaWarfare | pratnala: Quick question. You mention having loads of browser and such, so I think I know the answer, but it might worth specifying exactly: Is the CSS going to be Gecko-specific? Or cross-browser? If so, which browsers? |
| 16:38.21 | jjs1 | Changing it not might ruin that effect. :-( |
| 16:38.25 | jjs1 | now* |
| 16:38.26 | pratnala | CSS will be cross browser |
| 16:38.42 | pratnala | there are some |
| 16:38.42 | summatusmentis | jjs1: I don't know this, but suppose it truncates to 500 characters? |
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| 16:38.49 | pratnala | which safari adds webkit- prefix |
| 16:38.53 | pratnala | and opera adds o-prefix |
| 16:39.01 | GorillaWarfare | pratnala: Yes, that's why I asked. Which browsers do you plan to support? |
| 16:39.06 | jjs1 | summatusmentis: Good point. :-( |
| 16:39.07 | pratnala | ideally all |
| 16:39.11 | pratnala | soem arent supported on ie |
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| 16:39.18 | schumaml | jjs1: did the org ask for that much content? |
| 16:39.24 | pratnala | some propertis that is |
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| 16:39.38 | GorillaWarfare | pratnala: Right, that's my point. My current job involves a lot of dealing with this, so I do have a sense of how challenging it can be. |
| 16:39.54 | pratnala | but atleast these properites from what i learn |
| 16:40.03 | pratnala | dont require major changes for cross browser compatibility |
| 16:40.13 | summatusmentis | jjs1: to be safe, and mitigate that sort of thing, I'd trim it |
| 16:40.21 | pratnala | is it not clear? |
| 16:40.24 | jjs1 | schumaml: My mentor has given it his approval |
| 16:40.27 | pratnala | should i chaneg some things? |
| 16:40.45 | GorillaWarfare | Ehh, border radius can be finicky |
| 16:40.49 | jjs1 | Alright. Thanks all (nightmare!). |
| 16:41.01 | GorillaWarfare | But yeah, pratnala, it might be worth explaining specifically that you plan to go cross-browser |
| 16:41.16 | hasil1 | As many of us are applying for gsoc for the first time , many others applying lready have experience in open source development and we don't . What can we do to get ourselve selected ? |
| 16:42.01 | pratnala | GorillaWarfare: how about now? |
| 16:42.09 | pratnala | pls refresg |
| 16:42.14 | summatusmentis | hasil1: be honest, work hard, show your capabilities and desireable qualitites, become active in discussions/the community early |
| 16:42.50 | system64 | pratnala: Check my proposal http://goo.gl/fslwe |
| 16:43.15 | GorillaWarfare | nods |
| 16:43.18 | chro | how do I know if my proposal is already submitted? |
| 16:43.36 | pratnala | thanks GorillaWarfare |
| 16:43.41 | David_Honeynet | chro: you can see it in your melange dashboard |
| 16:43.41 | GorillaWarfare | Sure |
| 16:43.44 | chro | my 2 proposals appear in my dashboard/proposals |
| 16:43.46 | pratnala | system64: it is nice |
| 16:43.46 | David_Honeynet | (and edit it) |
| 16:43.48 | ankitmahato | system64: BITS Pilani |
| 16:44.01 | pratnala | nice detail with regads to bugfix and all |
| 16:44.10 | pratnala | bye all gotta go now. proposal finally submitted! |
| 16:44.23 | chro | carols, are you there? |
| 16:44.41 | summatusmentis | !next |
| 16:44.43 | gsocbot | summatusmentis: "next" is May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline. ( Countdown at http://tinyurl.com/cg526v7 ) |
| 16:44.59 | summatusmentis | nice, down to the wire |
| 16:45.01 | chetna | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/chetna/1 ? feedback , reviews and critics would be more than welcomed |
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| 16:47.41 | sfb | downey: ping |
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| 16:48.13 | sfb | downey: I think we have one of your students whom accidently applied to us. |
| 16:48.22 | system64 | ankitmahato: Any suggestions? |
| 16:48.32 | sfb | downey: For an 'online doctor appointment' idea. |
| 16:48.55 | ankitmahato | system64: reading it |
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| 16:49.17 | Dhatri | I had submitted my proposal this evening |
| 16:49.30 | Dhatri | cannot find it anymore |
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| 16:49.51 | Dhatri | Cannot find it even in my dashboard |
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| 16:52.43 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 16:53.51 | jacquerie | !timeline |
| 16:53.52 | gsocbot | jacquerie: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 |
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| 16:55.31 | hasil1 | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/update/google/gsoc2013/hasil/1 critics , views, changes plz |
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| 16:56.20 | GorillaWarfare | hasil1: It's private |
| 16:56.22 | bbc | hasil1: have you made it public? access denied. |
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| 16:57.42 | gopi | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.43 | gopi | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/gopilearner/1 |
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| 16:58.48 | carols | hi everyone, your proposals should be reviewed by your mentors and/or organizations. |
| 16:58.58 | carols | please stop shopping around the proposals for review in this channel. |
| 16:59.01 | carols | thanks. |
| 16:59.06 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
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| 16:59.36 | gopi | ok thank you sir. |
| 16:59.41 | jacquerie | sips some coffe |
| 16:59.46 | hasil1 | Okay madam |
| 17:00.01 | tomprince | carols: sumanah has spent a far bit of time here offering to do just that. |
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| 17:00.23 | carols | tomprince: indeed, and they're welcome to speak to her in the wikipedia channel if necessary. |
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| 17:02.04 | GorillaWarfare | For what it's worth, I think Sumanah is AFK right now |
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| 17:02.22 | GorillaWarfare | So you may not get much response from her in #mediawiki either |
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| 17:03.20 | carols | and anyway, she should not be a SPOF for reviewing thousands of student proposals in the last 2 hours of the application period. |
| 17:03.26 | carols | that's what every mentor for every org is for. |
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| 17:07.10 | CodeTab | Just to confirm, 2 hours left, right? |
| 17:07.37 | GorillaWarfare | !next | CodeTab |
| 17:07.39 | gsocbot | CodeTab: "next" is May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline. ( Countdown at http://tinyurl.com/cg526v7 ) |
| 17:08.24 | CodeTab | Thanks GorillaWarfare |
| 17:08.30 | GorillaWarfare | Sure |
| 17:08.49 | kblin | Dhatri: it's not in your dashboard? |
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| 17:09.00 | kblin | oh, scrollback |
| 17:09.28 | kblin | oh, damn it |
| 17:10.09 | Aayush251 | Well I just realised I needed to update my application >_< |
| 17:10.09 | sachin_h | For much more time might it be safe to edit proposals? |
| 17:11.19 | hratsimihah | sachin_h: about 1h30min. |
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| 17:14.37 | Dhatri | kblin, No! Cannot find it there |
| 17:15.08 | carols | Dhatri: you need to speak to the melange folks, no one in here can help you. |
| 17:15.42 | Dhatri | ok |
| 17:16.33 | kblin | oh, damn it, the style resets everytime I change anything in that table... |
| 17:16.38 | downey | sfb: I don't think we have any published ideas about such a project, but you're welcome to make a comment suggesting they contact us for details. :) |
| 17:17.22 | downey | tea |
| 17:17.36 | GorillaWarfare | I think gsocbot should have a !tea command |
| 17:17.47 | kblin | add it? |
| 17:17.57 | carols | GorillaWarfare: you can give gsocbot a tea command. |
| 17:18.45 | GorillaWarfare | Huh |
| 17:18.50 | GorillaWarfare | explores this possibility |
| 17:18.59 | sfb | downey: I already have, I just wanted to give you a heads up |
| 17:19.05 | downey | sfb: thanks :) |
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| 17:19.18 | sfb | kblin: I started setting project names, btw |
| 17:20.16 | kblin | sfb: yeah, have seen that and am currently hating the melange web design descision to hard code the webapp to only use a third of the browser window |
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| 17:20.56 | kblin | and then I get a scroll bar for the table |
| 17:21.15 | kblin | while >60% of my browser window is "background" |
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| 17:24.31 | sunu | gsocbot: learn !tea |
| 17:24.32 | gsocbot | sunu: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value. |
| 17:24.52 | kblin | !botabuse | sunu |
| 17:24.52 | gsocbot | sunu: "botabuse" is (#1) If you want to play with the bot, please do so in a private /query so as not to spam the channel, or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> |
| 17:25.04 | sunu | :( |
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| 17:26.25 | Skillfulz | So when will I know if an organization accepts my proposal? |
| 17:26.43 | downey | Skillfulz: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 |
| 17:26.49 | _dmn | Hey, in the proposal if we have given an external link, can we modify that info even after the deadline? |
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| 17:29.23 | GorillaWarfare | !tea |
| 17:29.24 | gsocbot | GorillaWarfare: "tea" is Have some tea and try to relax! |
| 17:29.28 | GorillaWarfare | Hmm |
| 17:29.44 | sachin_h | Just confirming, we don't have to specially make a final submit, do we? If a proposal is in the dashboard, it will get submitted by itself after the deadline, correct? |
| 17:29.51 | AlexanderS | waaa... next year I will apply for melange to fix this crazy wysiwyg editor.... |
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| 17:30.11 | GorillaWarfare | AlexanderS: I think they do take proposals :P |
| 17:30.13 | leoneo | How do i upload an image on my proposal? |
| 17:30.32 | leoneo | It only takes a weblink not a file path on my local system |
| 17:32.53 | CodeTab | Leoneo upload it to an image host like Imgur.com |
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| 17:33.07 | leoneo | thanks |
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| 17:33.13 | CodeTab | Ya |
| 17:33.22 | CodeTab | *yw |
| 17:33.44 | leoneo | would picasa do too? |
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| 17:34.14 | CodeTab | Leoneo any image host will do, as long as the image loads. |
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| 17:34.51 | S_Somani1 | \msg nickserv help |
| 17:34.53 | leoneo | alrighty cool.. |
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| 17:36.33 | ingu | hello i have a question regarding eligibilty, I am taking my final exam of my final semester on june 17, will i be eligible for GSoC? |
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| 17:36.53 | aps-sids | !eligible |
| 17:36.53 | gsocbot | aps-sids: "eligible" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page#1._Are_there_any_age_restrictions_on |
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| 17:37.31 | ingu | aps-sids: that doesn't say anything specifically about my situation, i have read the page thanks. |
| 17:38.03 | aps-sids | that says -- "As long as you are accepted into or enrolled in a college or university program as of May 27, 2013, you are eligible to participate in the program." |
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| 17:38.43 | ingu | aps-sids: awesome, thanks!!! |
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| 17:40.19 | sfb | kblin: I hear you, man. |
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| 17:46.01 | hratsimihah | AlexanderS: please do! |
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| 17:47.01 | hratsimihah | It'd be nice if we could use markdown instead of a wysiwyg editor. |
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| 17:47.18 | ritz89 | hii |
| 17:47.28 | ritz89 | hello |
| 17:47.42 | imduffy15 | Agreed hratsimihah! Copying and pasting mine over from my word processor went horribly. |
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| 17:47.52 | jjs1 | hratsimihah: It lets you use HTML, and even inline CSS |
| 17:48.06 | ritz89 | anyone for tux4kids here?? |
| 17:48.17 | ankitmahato | hratsimihah: convert to html and use |
| 17:48.20 | derdon | has the DDOS already begun? |
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| 17:49.30 | GorillaWarfare | hratsimihah: Yeah, I would suggest using the HTML editor; it was much easier, IMO. |
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| 17:50.08 | sjain | @ritz89: yup. |
| 17:55.11 | Rich_Morin | I'm trying to sign up as a mentor. The notes I have say that I should see 'Proposals submitted to my organizations', but I do not. I suspect that I need to attach myself to Clojure/dev in some manner, but I dont' see how. help? |
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| 18:01.30 | carols | Rich_Morin: you'll want to speak to the melange folks. |
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| 18:02.22 | flame | hi guys.. |
| 18:02.42 | flame | i am unable to insert images in my proposal plzz help |
| 18:02.46 | kushalkhandelwal | hey |
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| 18:02.55 | kushalkhandelwal | Upload image to some hosting |
| 18:02.58 | kushalkhandelwal | like imgur |
| 18:03.12 | kushalkhandelwal | and then insert from WYSWIG |
| 18:03.36 | kushalkhandelwal | * WYSIWYG editor |
| 18:03.42 | hybridivy | hey flame , easiest soln would be just crearea google doc and insert all images in it and then just copy psate from there to your proposal |
| 18:03.49 | kushalkhandelwal | flame: That should help |
| 18:03.56 | derdon | if it's only one image, you can use the text field where you can enter a URL |
| 18:04.03 | hybridivy | creat* |
| 18:04.11 | jacquerie | !timeline |
| 18:04.12 | gsocbot | jacquerie: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 |
| 18:04.18 | hybridivy | create* paste* |
| 18:04.27 | d33tah | less than an hour until deadline... gosh, I hope I'll get accepted. |
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| 18:04.51 | kushalkhandelwal | d33tah: You applying for which org ? |
| 18:04.51 | derdon | I hope the server won't be down until the next half hour or so |
| 18:05.02 | Rich_Morin | carols: I see no way to "speak to the melange folks". Also, I was assuming someone here would have been through the process. |
| 18:05.08 | kushalkhandelwal | derdon: Don wait for the last moment |
| 18:05.18 | carols | Rich_Morin: melange-soc-dev@googlegroups.com |
| 18:05.51 | downey | Rich_Morin: see also, #melange IRC channel :) |
| 18:05.52 | derdon | kushalkhandelwal: I already submitted, but I'm stil changing some bits |
| 18:06.05 | kushalkhandelwal | The best thing you can do is |
| 18:06.15 | kushalkhandelwal | Make a google doc of your proposal |
| 18:06.18 | kushalkhandelwal | put a link to it |
| 18:06.29 | kushalkhandelwal | Content of which you can change later |
| 18:06.40 | kushalkhandelwal | talk to your organization if that is acceptable to them |
| 18:06.54 | gh_ | !next |
| 18:06.55 | gsocbot | gh_: "next" is May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline. ( Countdown at http://tinyurl.com/cg526v7 ) |
| 18:06.56 | kushalkhandelwal | I think minor changes in the proposal would be fine |
| 18:06.58 | d33tah | kushalkhandelwal: nmap |
| 18:07.29 | anshulk | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.48 | kushalkhandelwal | Nice d33tah |
| 18:07.56 | kushalkhandelwal | I hope I also get selected |
| 18:08.05 | kushalkhandelwal | I just declined 2 intern offers for summer |
| 18:08.26 | d33tah | wouldn't it be safer to decline them once you find out the results? |
| 18:08.27 | kushalkhandelwal | Its GSoc or nothing then |
| 18:08.43 | kushalkhandelwal | I had to inform by today |
| 18:08.46 | d33tah | oh. |
| 18:08.55 | d33tah | i only made one proposal. :/ |
| 18:09.01 | kushalkhandelwal | Same here |
| 18:09.05 | kushalkhandelwal | made only one proposal |
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| 18:09.10 | d33tah | who for? |
| 18:09.37 | kushalkhandelwal | ccm |
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| 18:09.47 | d33tah | strange, doesn't ring a bell. |
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| 18:10.05 | d33tah | what does it stand for? |
| 18:10.12 | kushalkhandelwal | ? |
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| 18:10.20 | phenom__ | Anybody up for a small proposal review? I've never done this before. |
| 18:10.30 | kushalkhandelwal | Center for computational medicine |
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| 18:10.37 | d33tah | kushalkhandelwal: oh. cool. |
| 18:10.42 | GorillaWarfare | phenom__: I believe the advice going around earlier was to contact your mentor for that purpose |
| 18:10.43 | kushalkhandelwal | phenom__: sure :P |
| 18:10.49 | wkoszek_ | After students' deadline is closed, can they still polish proposals? |
| 18:10.56 | carols | wkoszek_: no |
| 18:10.58 | phenom__ | GorillaWarfare: yeah, that has been done, actually |
| 18:11.01 | kushalkhandelwal | I agree with GorillaWarfare |
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| 18:11.08 | d33tah | wkoszek_: at least not officially, right? |
| 18:11.18 | d33tah | oh, wrong person, i meant carols |
| 18:11.30 | carols | what's the question? |
| 18:11.49 | kushalkhandelwal | d33tah: The organization itslef can ask for more details |
| 18:11.49 | d33tah | that the organization may contact me and ask for stuff |
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| 18:11.57 | d33tah | and making the outcome dependent on that |
| 18:12.03 | carols | d33tah: sure, they can comment and you can respond. |
| 18:12.15 | kushalkhandelwal | The reason you should make a good proposal in the beginning itself is that you stand out from the crowd |
| 18:12.17 | d33tah | which kinda means the same for me. |
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| 18:12.27 | d33tah | i sucked at it. my proposal was pretty late |
| 18:12.33 | d33tah | i started working on it like... 4 days ago? |
| 18:12.40 | carols | d33tah: so lesson learned? |
| 18:12.45 | d33tah | wrote some proof of concept code, but damn, i wish i started earlier. |
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| 18:12.52 | rays2pix | Just submitted mine. I would want to have more details in it though |
| 18:12.54 | d33tah | carols: yeah. |
| 18:13.01 | kushalkhandelwal | Oh , you got reviews ? |
| 18:13.10 | iRaghu | d33tah: keep ur fingers crossed. ;) |
| 18:13.12 | d33tah | hardly any feedback |
| 18:13.17 | d33tah | iRaghu: thanks ;) |
| 18:13.17 | derdon | cool, melange is not down yet, not even slow |
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| 18:13.30 | kushalkhandelwal | rays2pix: Put a more detailed one on some gdoc or wiki page of organization I think that should help |
| 18:13.32 | d33tah | derdon: you really are expecting it to die, don't you? :P |
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| 18:13.46 | kushalkhandelwal | :P |
| 18:13.52 | kushalkhandelwal | It would die soon :P |
| 18:14.07 | iRaghu | we neednt do anything no, it gets automatically submitted? (third time I am asking, but just afraid for any sort of screw up) |
| 18:14.08 | kushalkhandelwal | iRaghu: Done with studying ? |
| 18:14.09 | kushalkhandelwal | :P |
| 18:14.28 | derdon | d33tah: that's what I'm used to when we students have do submit our homework due 23:59:59 on a Sunday :D |
| 18:14.38 | rays2pix | kushal: Sure have my master copy in wiki..will be expanding it |
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| 18:14.44 | derdon | d33tah: it always happens shortly after 23 o'clock |
| 18:14.46 | kushalkhandelwal | derdon: :) |
| 18:14.50 | rays2pix | kushal: man you should consider having a shorter name |
| 18:15.01 | kushalkhandelwal | It always happens :P |
| 18:15.20 | d33tah | rays2pix: tab completion saves a few keystrokes ;) |
| 18:15.24 | kushalk124 | Another nick :P |
| 18:15.35 | kushalk124 | yup |
| 18:15.45 | iRaghu | kushalkhandelwal: use the nick you wrote for your contact details btw. :) |
| 18:16.10 | kushalk124 | derdon: The server always goes out at the last moment when it is related to academics |
| 18:16.15 | rays2pix | d33tah: for some reason his name doesnt complete itself:) |
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| 18:16.22 | kushalk124 | iRaghu: ?? |
| 18:16.41 | d33tah | rays2pix: thats odd |
| 18:16.41 | kushalk124 | iRaghu: My mentors aware of both the nicks , mentioned both in the proposal |
| 18:16.54 | iRaghu | aah then it is fine. ;) |
| 18:16.57 | kushalk124 | rays2pix: ?? |
| 18:17.38 | kushalk124 | iRaghu: I dont feel like studying :\ |
| 18:17.38 | rays2pix | kushalk124: oh now its done:) |
| 18:17.45 | kushalk124 | Oh yeah :D |
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| 18:17.59 | kushalk124 | iRaghu: Which paper you have tomorrow ? |
| 18:18.03 | iRaghu | kushalk1234: it will be fine with time, dont worry. it happens |
| 18:18.12 | kushalk124 | rays2pix: You applied for which org ? |
| 18:18.13 | iRaghu | kushalk124:PM |
| 18:18.24 | d33tah | will we really have to wait until may, 24? |
| 18:18.30 | rays2pix | kushalk124:brlcad |
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| 18:18.37 | carols | d33tah: you have to wait until may 27. |
| 18:18.38 | kushalk124 | *27th may |
| 18:18.59 | kushalk124 | Why is it so late this time ? carols |
| 18:19.12 | carols | kushalk124: because the organizations need time to decide who they want to have. |
| 18:19.28 | iRaghu | carols: we meant, the programme kicked up quite early last time. |
| 18:19.45 | carols | iRaghu: and everyone told me that they wanted a different timeline. |
| 18:19.46 | iRaghu | kicked off* |
| 18:19.46 | kushalk124 | carols: I meant last year the entire procedure started early , it is late this time |
| 18:19.54 | zamn | !next |
| 18:19.55 | gsocbot | zamn: "next" is May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline. ( Countdown at http://tinyurl.com/cg526v7 ) |
| 18:20.01 | carols | kushalk124: because people tell me they want a different timeline. |
| 18:20.03 | carols | so i changed it |
| 18:20.05 | zamn | 40 minutes :x |
| 18:20.10 | carols | and so now different people want a different timeline. |
| 18:20.17 | kushalk124 | Oh |
| 18:20.22 | jjs1 | !random |
| 18:20.22 | gsocbot | jjs1: "itdepends": That depends on the organisation. Ask them.; "lifeline": Here, have a cookie and some coffee; "gnome": a small humanoid statue for gardens |
| 18:20.27 | kushalk124 | zamn: Can wait that long |
| 18:20.32 | d33tah | is it possible that an organization would tell me later if i got accepted or not? |
| 18:20.33 | downey | carols: we're a tough crowd. :) |
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| 18:20.37 | downey | passes the crumpets |
| 18:20.40 | carols | downey: yep. |
| 18:20.45 | carols | has a crumpet |
| 18:20.45 | iRaghu | carols: this will continue, it perfectly suited my country if it was like last year. |
| 18:20.52 | jjs1 | eats gsocbot's cookie |
| 18:20.58 | carols | iRaghu: and there are 68 other countries in gsoc. |
| 18:21.04 | zamn | teehee |
| 18:21.05 | carols | who's country shall we accomodate? |
| 18:21.16 | iRaghu | carols: I know, I was talking my case,. ;) |
| 18:21.17 | d33tah | i wonder how many Poles are there. |
| 18:21.35 | p_l|omoikane | d33tah: :) |
| 18:21.39 | carols | iRaghu: yes, indeed. everyone's focused on themselves and i'm the only one who has to worry about everyone :-) |
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| 18:22.01 | kushalk124 | carols: The timeline is perfect :) |
| 18:22.05 | iRaghu | carols: ;) |
| 18:22.06 | p_l|omoikane | carols: the life of cat herder is fraught with peril ;) |
| 18:22.07 | downey | carols: rule #1 of international projects - constant low-level inconvenience |
| 18:22.08 | carols | kushalk124: great :-) |
| 18:22.26 | carols | downey: like the people who complained at the mentor summit last year that there were no lines for the food? |
| 18:22.42 | constant | downey: how am I inconveniencing you? |
| 18:22.47 | downey | carols: when there's a bacon bar, i'll tolerate any inconvenience |
| 18:22.54 | downey | constant: :) |
| 18:23.00 | kushalk124 | carols: ?? |
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| 18:23.10 | ashmew2 | Hello. |
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| 18:23.20 | constant | carols: complained that there were *no* lines ? |
| 18:23.27 | carols | hello ashmew2 |
| 18:23.32 | ashmew2 | Once youve submitted your application via Proposals on Google Melange, your application is submitted right? |
| 18:23.39 | carols | constant: yes. because it meant that they didn't get a chance to talk to the people in line. |
| 18:23.43 | carols | ashmew2: yes |
| 18:23.59 | ashmew2 | What is the list of important documents for? |
| 18:24.05 | ashmew2 | carols, oh nice, thanks :) |
| 18:24.11 | carols | yw |
| 18:24.17 | kushalk124 | I wished there could have been a student summit :D |
| 18:24.27 | derdon | the adrenaline rush!!! ^^ |
| 18:24.51 | kushalk124 | Meeting new people and learning new things , exciting ! |
| 18:25.03 | kushalk124 | carols: Have something like this for students also :P |
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| 18:25.20 | GorillaWarfare | kushalk124: Better yet, a student summit with a bacon bar... |
| 18:26.00 | constant | carols: nice complaint :-\ |
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| 18:26.21 | p_l|omoikane | carols: ... that's... peculiar |
| 18:26.23 | downey | kushalk124: or better yet become a mentor for your org the following year, and try to be able to attend mentor summit :) |
| 18:26.24 | carols | constant: oh, and i haven't even mentioned the problems with the t-shirts yet. |
| 18:26.28 | p_l|omoikane | was it a brit? :> |
| 18:26.32 | jjs1 | +1 for student bacon |
| 18:26.38 | carols | p_l|omoikane: i don't remember. |
| 18:26.52 | downey | carols: what time is the campus tour? |
| 18:27.02 | carols | downey: campus tour? |
| 18:27.08 | kushalk124 | downey: Student summit would be better , |
| 18:27.16 | kushalk124 | But can always try for being a mentor |
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| 18:27.32 | t4nk178 | HMD |
| 18:28.30 | Koushik | carols: what would happen if you were in the middle of editing the proposal .. and the time is up? . assuming that you've sent the proposal previously and you're revising it |
| 18:28.43 | constant | Koushik: the org admin can allow a proposal to be editable |
| 18:28.45 | carols | Koushik: the edits you've made won't show up. |
| 18:29.05 | Koushik | carols: Ah ok.. So the old version would be submitted? |
| 18:29.11 | carols | Koushik: yes |
| 18:29.18 | Koushik | Ok thank you.. |
| 18:29.22 | carols | yw |
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| 18:29.31 | carols | don't do that and you won't have a problem :-) |
| 18:30.06 | Koushik | I'll try not to :) |
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| 18:30.21 | carols | great :-) |
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| 18:32.37 | constant | carols: what happened with the t-shirts? |
| 18:32.56 | carols | constant: they were too big. before that they were too thin. before that they were too rough. before that they were too small. |
| 18:33.08 | David_Honeynet | carols: not black? ;-) |
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| 18:33.31 | constant | carols: joy |
| 18:33.34 | carols | David_Honeynet: actually, since we've started switching off the mentor summit shirts from black to colored every other year, people have stopped complaining about the colors. |
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| 18:34.01 | David_Honeynet | carols: cunning plan :) |
| 18:34.07 | carols | David_Honeynet: :-) |
| 18:34.12 | scorche|sh | the human capacity to complain is amazing sometimes... |
| 18:34.35 | downey | some people plan their wardrobes around gsoc t-shirts |
| 18:34.41 | scorche|sh | especially when it comes to free gifts |
| 18:35.04 | p_l|omoikane | scorche|sh: I once read someone complaining that they won't be able to complain once they are dead |
| 18:35.50 | baba | finally submitted my application :D |
| 18:35.57 | baba | just 25 min left now.. |
| 18:36.01 | jjs1 | Nice work baba. :) |
| 18:36.03 | carols | scorche|sh: the new complaint is most definitely the timeline this year. followed closely by the fact that the logo "is the same." |
| 18:36.08 | baba | thanks jjs1 :) |
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| 18:36.55 | sunu | thinks september is too late |
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| 18:37.26 | downey | i like having the "same" logo - i just hacked the pennant on the wall from last year to cover this year |
| 18:37.50 | carols | downey: you're also one of the people who complains less than others :-) |
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| 18:38.03 | downey | carols: ... as long as the tea's flowing |
| 18:38.07 | carols | yep. |
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| 18:38.23 | gevaerts | complains about downey not complaining enough |
| 18:38.36 | derdon | carols: people complain that some logo has not changed?! |
| 18:38.42 | derdon | wtf |
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| 18:38.44 | carols | deryep. |
| 18:38.49 | carols | derdon: yep |
| 18:38.52 | carols | has some more tea |
| 18:39.06 | derdon | thank you, I need some now as well |
| 18:39.15 | Nightrose | carols: ohhh my... and i thought people complaining around my project were bad already ;-) |
| 18:39.19 | derdon | do you have some Earl Grey? |
| 18:39.20 | downey | !tea |
| 18:39.21 | gsocbot | downey: "tea" is Have some tea and try to relax! |
| 18:39.40 | carols | Nightrose: the complaints just keep coming ;-) |
| 18:39.47 | Nightrose | heh i bet |
| 18:40.11 | downey | Nightrose: remind me to ask you about join the game at some point ... we're considering something similar |
| 18:40.26 | Nightrose | downey: sure! |
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| 18:41.10 | jcalvinowens | carols: Not complaining, but out of curiosity, what was the rationale for the timeline being shifted later this year? |
| 18:41.23 | carols | jcalvinowens: every year people tell me they want a different timeline. |
| 18:41.26 | carols | so this year i changed it. |
| 18:41.35 | carols | and so now different people are telling me they want a different timeline. |
| 18:41.36 | sumanah | I think they wanted to try suiting a different set of school holidays this year jcalvinowens |
| 18:41.57 | jcalvinowens | carols: Fair enough |
| 18:42.01 | carols | :-) |
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| 18:45.09 | GorillaWarfare | Considering there are 15 minutes left, the Melange site seems to be doing quite well! |
| 18:45.22 | sumanah | I am glad to hear it. |
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| 18:45.44 | downey | Students used up that 5 proposal limit early, apparently. :-) |
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| 18:45.54 | constant | carols: and now you are complaining about al the complaining :) |
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| 18:46.11 | carols | constant: i sure am :-) |
| 18:46.29 | gevaerts | No self-respecting last-minute submitter would submit fifteen entire minutes before the deadline! |
| 18:46.32 | sumanah | gets out a multi-liter tea dispenser :-) |
| 18:46.36 | GorillaWarfare | Good point |
| 18:46.44 | sumanah | serves ~448 cups of tea |
| 18:46.51 | constant | steals all sumanah's tea |
| 18:46.52 | downey | gevaerts: there's still a good 10 minutes to get started. |
| 18:47.01 | gevaerts | downey: exactly! |
| 18:47.11 | jjs1 | Any project ideas guys? :D |
| 18:47.19 | ankitmahato | downey: lol :P |
| 18:47.22 | sumanah | checks whether jjs1 is kidding |
| 18:47.36 | constant | sumanah: he isn't |
| 18:47.49 | constant | no self respecting troll is going to admit he is trolling before the deadline is up |
| 18:47.57 | sumanah | http://www.coreboot.org/ jjs1 - the coreboot mentors are interested in last-minute applicants who can write C. |
| 18:47.57 | constant | and even then she may not |
| 18:48.23 | jjs1 | constant: haha |
| 18:48.30 | chro | 11 minutes remaining |
| 18:48.36 | chro | !next |
| 18:48.38 | gsocbot | chro: "next" is May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline. ( Countdown at http://tinyurl.com/cg526v7 ) |
| 18:49.00 | chro | do I need to do anything after submitting my proposal? |
| 18:49.16 | constant | chro: the org acts next |
| 18:49.23 | constant | but be sure you are still engaged / studying etc |
| 18:49.24 | chro | I am with the feeling that I'm missing something |
| 18:49.28 | sumanah | chro: well, you should check that it actually got submitted - I presume there is a way to do that in Melange |
| 18:49.35 | chro | constant, what? |
| 18:49.37 | derdon | I think this was the last update of my proposal now :P |
| 18:49.46 | constant | hey look |
| 18:49.50 | constant | another 28 GSoC emails |
| 18:49.55 | constant | (I am not kidding) |
| 18:49.58 | jjs1 | nice job derdon :) |
| 18:50.04 | chro | sumanah, how do I check that? my proposals show up at the dashboard/proposals |
| 18:50.12 | carols | chro: that's how you check. |
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| 18:50.26 | sumanah | chro: If your proposal is showing up in the dashboard then I think you can relax for the next few minutes. :) |
| 18:50.29 | chro | ok so I think everything is ok |
| 18:50.36 | nlminhtl | 10 minutes before the ending :D |
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| 18:50.39 | downey | constant: only 28? :-P |
| 18:50.43 | dfighter | Has anyone asked yet if they can have deadline extension? |
| 18:50.45 | jacquerie | relaxes |
| 18:50.49 | carols | dfighter: not yet. |
| 18:50.51 | derdon | dfighter: HAHA |
| 18:50.53 | constant | downey: I just did my last set 15 minutes ago |
| 18:50.54 | dfighter | :D |
| 18:50.54 | downey | dfighter: you're the first. |
| 18:50.59 | sumanah | chro: I suggest that you continue learning about your mentor organization's codebase, work on solving trivial bugs, and be responsive to any questions the mentors ask you. |
| 18:50.59 | derdon | dfighter: yesterday someone did |
| 18:51.02 | dfighter | downey I don't need one |
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| 18:51.17 | dfighter | downey I submitted my proposal 10 minutes after it opened :P |
| 18:51.20 | sumanah | derdon: I wish you well! Congratulations on submitting. |
| 18:51.22 | downey | dfighter: :) |
| 18:51.22 | chro | sumanah, ok, and would I be able to add comments to my proposal after the deadline? |
| 18:51.22 | wooo | I have submtted my proposal. It is showing in dashoboard. Will I need to do something else? mail to someone or something else? |
| 18:51.28 | derdon | sumanah: thank you :) |
| 18:51.41 | carols | wooo: not unless your org has asked it of you. |
| 18:51.50 | derdon | sumanah: I have reacted to all your constructive feedback! thanks again! |
| 18:51.52 | sumanah | wooo: Check with your mentor organization -- but I think you are probably fine |
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| 18:51.59 | sumanah | derdon: I'm glad I was able to help. :) |
| 18:52.03 | constant | fwiw my mentee submitted last minute |
| 18:52.11 | constant | *but* we were talking about it for a long time prior |
| 18:52.16 | sumanah | That's good. |
| 18:52.18 | zamn | woo submitted my final version of my application :D |
| 18:52.20 | wooo | And also can we change my profile details later? |
| 18:52.34 | jjs1 | God job zamn! :D |
| 18:52.35 | sumanah | zamn: Congratulations. :) |
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| 18:52.36 | chro | sumanah, but I don't want to start working a lot, and then get my proposal refused |
| 18:52.36 | carols | wooo: profile? yes. proposal? no. |
| 18:52.48 | sumanah | chro: Why? You want to learn, right? |
| 18:52.49 | tnkhanh | how can I see others' proposals? |
| 18:52.53 | derdon | zamn: congrats! |
| 18:52.54 | kushalkhandelwal | carols: Can we change the visibility of the proposal later ? |
| 18:52.54 | schumaml | iirc we got our first proposal shortly after gsoc was announced :) |
| 18:53.00 | atpsaym | Hi, if my proposal was selected, all contents of it will be public? Now I've added some private information in it. |
| 18:53.06 | carols | kushalkhandelwal: no |
| 18:53.07 | flaushy | tnkhanh: if they checked public you can access them if you know the correct url |
| 18:53.08 | derdon | this feels like a party here :D |
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| 18:53.15 | gevaerts | atpsaym: no |
| 18:53.16 | jjs1 | Sitting here watching the countdown tick away with you guys is awesome. Best of luck everybody! |
| 18:53.23 | derdon | everyone's so happy so have finally submitted his or her proposal |
| 18:53.26 | iRaghu | :D |
| 18:53.26 | jojva | !next |
| 18:53.28 | gsocbot | jojva: "next" is May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline. ( Countdown at http://tinyurl.com/cg526v7 ) |
| 18:53.35 | chro | sumanah, because I submitted proposals to different projects, and I can't be solving bugs and studying all completely different projects at the same time |
| 18:53.40 | derdon | jjs1: indeed, it's an awesome feeling |
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| 18:54.02 | constant | derdon: no party until the beer comes out |
| 18:54.04 | sumanah | chro: Then you could pick one and work on that. No learning is wasted so don't worry about wasting work. |
| 18:54.06 | constant | right now all we have it tea |
| 18:54.09 | atpsaym | @gevaerts Thanks! |
| 18:54.36 | derdon | constant: I don't have beer here as well :( just coffee, tea, whiskey and vodka |
| 18:54.37 | tnkhanh | flaushy: but I don't know urls of others' proposals :-/. Is there a link on GSOC that leads to publicly visible ones? |
| 18:54.46 | gevaerts | chro: you mean you can't submit a lot of proposals and still maintain quality? What a surprise! |
| 18:54.51 | carols | tnkhanh: no, you have to know the URL |
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| 18:54.55 | phenom__ | So we just let the proposal sit, and it will automatically be submitted? |
| 18:55.04 | carols | phenom__: no, you submit it. |
| 18:55.24 | carols | if you don't submit it, it's not submitted. |
| 18:55.26 | sumanah | tnkhanh: If you absolutely want to find other proposals to read just for fun, I can give you some links |
| 18:55.43 | sumanah | tnkhanh: Example: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSOC_2013/Student_Application_Sarupbanskota/Design_Hub%28461%29 |
| 18:55.44 | phenom__ | I clicked submit, it opened a review pane.. |
| 18:56.08 | gevaerts | phenom__: if you can see it in your dashboard, it's submitted |
| 18:56.12 | iRaghu | carols: is there is submit option? |
| 18:56.21 | CodeTab_ | While editing my proposal I noticed that the Withdraw button is right next to the Update button. Careful not to withdraw instead of updating at the last minute! ;) |
| 18:56.24 | iRaghu | I meant, my proposal is up and people can comment. |
| 18:56.25 | carols | iRaghu: yes, at the bottom of the proposal page. |
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| 18:56.37 | carols | iRaghu: great, then it's submitted. |
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| 18:57.15 | CodeTab_ | !next |
| 18:57.17 | gsocbot | CodeTab_: "next" is May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline. ( Countdown at http://tinyurl.com/cg526v7 ) |
| 18:57.30 | mrtadis | omg :D |
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| 18:57.47 | downey | carols: i suppose someone has already complained about May 27 being memorial day in the usa? |
| 18:57.49 | jjs1 | Are we ready to do a new-year style chant? :D |
| 18:58.02 | carols | downey: not yet. would you like to be the first? |
| 18:58.03 | jojva | jjs1, what do you propose ? |
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| 18:58.13 | downey | carols: nah. that day's always boring for me anyway. |
| 18:58.14 | carols | jjs1: no, we're not. and we're not going to. |
| 18:58.19 | carols | or i'll mute the channel. |
| 18:58.32 | d33tah | 1 minute remaining |
| 18:58.38 | rihen_ | final minute to the rescue!! |
| 18:58.38 | schumaml | jjs1: start a hangout for that |
| 18:58.47 | iRaghu | carols: I am kinda freakin out, this is submitted right? http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/raghunayyar/1 |
| 18:58.47 | jjs1 | carols: Understood! :D |
| 18:59.00 | CodeTab_ | Actually, now it's exactly 1 minute left until the proposal period ends. |
| 18:59.08 | baba | done :D |
| 18:59.10 | carols | iRaghu: can you see it in your dashboard? |
| 18:59.15 | d33tah | hm |
| 18:59.15 | d33tah | 0 minutes remaining |
| 18:59.17 | flaushy | iRaghu: looks great, i can read it |
| 18:59.18 | iRaghu | yes |
| 18:59.19 | d33tah | will there be -1? :D |
| 18:59.20 | harshkothari | 1 min left |
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| 18:59.29 | mrtadis | did somebody hacked the system? :D |
| 18:59.29 | iRaghu | carols:yeah! |
| 18:59.30 | jojva | 30 secs |
| 18:59.33 | gevaerts | d33tah: your system clock is wrong |
| 18:59.34 | carols | great. |
| 18:59.35 | chrismed | 0 minutes remaining :) |
| 18:59.36 | jacquerie | May we have an extension? I just started working on my proposal. |
| 18:59.40 | kblin | ok, you heard the lady, no countdowns in here, or I'll turn it off |
| 18:59.42 | schumaml | waiting for first "I missed the deadline by n seconds, can it be extended???2 |
| 18:59.45 | sumanah | jacquerie: no. |
| 18:59.46 | schumaml | message |
| 18:59.49 | jojva | haha |
| 18:59.51 | baba | times up |
| 18:59.52 | jjs1 | No project ideas guys? :( |
| 18:59.53 | baba | :P |
| 18:59.54 | chro | omg, did I miss something? I'm so stressed |
| 18:59.54 | jojva | 5 |
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| 18:59.59 | CodeTab_ | 0 |
| 19:00.01 | constant | jjs1: I think you can work on... |
| 19:00.02 | breton_ | beep |
| 19:00.02 | Hiperzone | :) |
| 19:00.03 | jojva | Yeaaah ! |
| 19:00.04 | kushalkhandelwal | jacquerie: Now ??? :O |
| 19:00.06 | constant | ... sorry I just missed it |
| 19:00.06 | d33tah | 2 weeks, 6 days remaining |
| 19:00.07 | jjs1 | Good luck everyone! :) |
| 19:00.09 | *** mode/#gsoc [+m] by carols |
| 19:00.12 | carols | great. |
| 19:00.14 | carols | that's better. |
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| 19:00.22 | scorche|sh | carols: heh - i was just about tod o that, actually |
| 19:00.23 | carols | i'll unmute the channel in a little while. |
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| 19:02.37 | carols | if you have just joined the channel, please note: 1) we are muted for now until everyone calms down 2) no, you cannot submit a late proposal. |
| 19:02.45 | carols | serves some tea |
| 19:02.51 | carols | enjoy some tea. |
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| 19:09.19 | *** topic/#gsoc by kblin -> Google Summer of Code 2013 is on! | Please work with your mentors while they rank the proposals. |
| 19:09.41 | carols | thanks kblin |
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| 19:10.39 | carols | ok, i'm going to unmute the channel for now. but we'll mute it again if it gets too loud in here. |
| 19:10.43 | *** mode/#gsoc [-m] by carols |
| 19:10.58 | jjs1 | sips tea |
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| 19:11.28 | pranjal710 | !next |
| 19:11.30 | gsocbot | pranjal710: "next" is May 6th: Mentor organizations should have requested desired slots |
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| 19:12.48 | jojva | Why isn't there a link of all the public proposals ? |
| 19:12.52 | cgPrince | Hi I was submiting proposale And the page is closed is there anyway to submit it? |
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| 19:13.18 | kblin | cgPrince: nope |
| 19:13.20 | jojva | cgPrince, no |
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| 19:13.28 | derdon | carols is away, let's throw chairs and rage! |
| 19:13.29 | laurion | !tea | carols |
| 19:13.29 | gsocbot | laurion: Error: No such user. |
| 19:13.37 | laurion | !tea |
| 19:13.38 | gsocbot | laurion: "tea" is Have some tea and try to relax! |
| 19:14.07 | ankitmahato | !tea | laurion |
| 19:14.07 | gsocbot | laurion: "tea" is Have some tea and try to relax! |
| 19:14.21 | dfighter | cgPrince is our winner? |
| 19:14.30 | sachin_h | I wish I could disable the withdraw button. It's scary. |
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| 19:15.06 | sumanah | sachin_h: you could do so with a user script - or you could file a bug in Melange to move it or disable it in user preferences? |
| 19:15.14 | d33tah | is drinking a beer to celebrate. |
| 19:15.38 | derdon | d33tah: celebration time is on 27 May ;) |
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| 19:15.52 | d33tah | damn, if i won't get accepted, i'll go for postgraduates just to apply again. |
| 19:15.52 | jjs1 | Or you could search this on Google: site:google-melange.appspot.com inurl:/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/ |
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| 19:16.28 | perepujal | Should mentors be able to score students yet? |
| 19:16.31 | d33tah | derdon: i do hope it will be celebration time. |
| 19:16.40 | carols | perepujal: yes |
| 19:16.41 | jkridner|work | what does it mean to set a proposal to "accepted"? |
| 19:16.48 | derdon | d33tah: who doesn't? :) |
| 19:16.52 | kblin | you know you can always contribute to open source projects even without being accepted? |
| 19:16.53 | sumanah | d33tah: If you are serious about that statement then I sort of want to understand why you are so specifically interested in GSoC to the exclusion of other possible paths into open source |
| 19:16.54 | carols | jkridner|work: i hope that's self-explanatory…. |
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| 19:17.15 | d33tah | sumanah: what kind of paths do you mean? |
| 19:17.15 | kblin | jkridner|work: I'd guess that your org is willing to accept the student |
| 19:17.16 | perepujal | carols: I don't see any new box for that :? |
| 19:17.27 | carols | perepujal: it's the stars on the proposal itself. |
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| 19:17.41 | sachin_h | sumanah: Thanks! I should consider doing that. |
| 19:17.45 | sdumitriu1 | A student submitted her application to the wrong organization, can someone move it to the proper one? |
| 19:17.53 | sdumitriu1 | Or is that impossible? |
| 19:17.54 | carols | sdumitriu1: ask the melange folks. |
| 19:18.08 | sdumitriu1 | Asked on #melange, no answer |
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| 19:18.11 | sumanah | d33tah: Anyone can contribute to open source at any time without having to go via Google Summer of Code. I, for instance, got started by testing Miro. Other people get started via writing tutorials or documentation. Some people go to Hacker School or visit an OpenHatch intro to FLOSS event. |
| 19:18.18 | carols | sdumitriu1: try the mailing list. they're all volunteers. |
| 19:18.21 | sdumitriu1 | K |
| 19:18.27 | jkridner|work | not 100%, but kblin's explanation is sufficient. Concern is more regarding when the flag must be set and if it is a one-shot. |
| 19:18.28 | sdumitriu1 | Thanks Carol |
| 19:18.32 | carols | yw |
| 19:18.47 | carols | jkridner|work: you can change it as much as you want. |
| 19:19.54 | jkridner|work | k. I'll make sure it is set appropriately by the deadline and try to have it best reflect the org's feeling regarding if the application is suitable/complete/etc. and if we have suitable mentoring available. |
| 19:20.06 | d33tah | sumanah: i couldn't find anything like gsoc so far. |
| 19:20.33 | GorillaWarfare | d33tah: You could always apply for a job at a FOSS org |
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| 19:20.56 | sumanah | d33tah: Can you tell me specifically what it is about GSoC you are seeking? The money? the mentorship? something else? |
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| 19:21.33 | kblin | you should also note that most people who contribute to OSS software don't have a job doing so |
| 19:21.47 | d33tah | sumanah: all together. if i was to write for foss for 12 weeks without guidance, i'd probably start six projects and none would rock. that's the difference here. |
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| 19:23.04 | sumanah | ok, d33tah - so if the thing you seek is guidance, there are mentors https://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/Mentors who are very willing to guide you and help you even outside of GSoC. |
| 19:23.31 | flaushy | d33tah: some not accepted students do their project anyhow and rock :) i think as long as someone mentors you, you are on a really good way |
| 19:23.41 | neo1691 | Is the entry in the competition closed for students willing to participate in gsoc 2013? |
| 19:23.51 | d33tah | sumanah: can't find nmap mentors here |
| 19:23.53 | sumanah | yes neo1691 GSoC 2013 is no longer accepting new proposals. |
| 19:23.58 | carols | neo1691: yes, it is closed. |
| 19:24.19 | flaushy | d33tah: i love their slacker project :) |
| 19:24.21 | roonyH | !next |
| 19:24.23 | gsocbot | roonyH: "next" is May 6th: Mentor organizations should have requested desired slots |
| 19:24.24 | neo1691 | Next year, I will be in my last year of graduation, will I be eligible for gsoc? |
| 19:24.37 | sumanah | d33tah: Have you considered asking nmap whether any of their mentors would be willing to mentor you outside of GSoC (in case you do not get accepted)? It is very likely that they want to help you grow as a contributor no matter whether you are accepted or not. |
| 19:24.43 | carols | neo1691: we don't know. we don't know if we're running the program next year. |
| 19:24.55 | d33tah | flaushy: so did I! i really thought of applying, though I guessed it's not a legit project. |
| 19:25.00 | sumanah | I know that within MediaWiki we want to nurture all new contributors whether through GSoC or not. |
| 19:25.27 | jojva | carols, it may be the last year ? or is it just you don't know as in "probably" ? |
| 19:25.35 | neo1691 | Ok thank you so much! |
| 19:25.41 | sumanah | neo1691: hi there |
| 19:25.42 | carols | jojva: it could be the last year. we never know until we know. |
| 19:25.52 | neo1691 | sumanah: Hey! |
| 19:26.04 | derdon | carols: wise words |
| 19:26.16 | carols | :-) |
| 19:26.17 | sumanah | neo1691: if you'd like to get into open source you have several ways in :-) Check out https://openhatch.org/ for one, and http://open-advice.org/ for advice |
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| 19:26.45 | Aayush251 | I've already decided what to work on even if I'm not selected in GSoC :D |
| 19:27.36 | hratsimihah | Aayush251: well said. |
| 19:28.25 | hratsimihah | carols: that's bad news. :/ |
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| 19:28.38 | carols | i am often the bearer of bass news, as it turns out. |
| 19:28.41 | carols | bad |
| 19:28.42 | hratsimihah | The program is really popular, and a great initiative at promoting open-source. |
| 19:28.48 | hratsimihah | Is it costing Google too much? |
| 19:29.05 | carols | hratsimihah: it's not a matter of it costing google or not. it's a matter of we plan one year at a time. |
| 19:29.06 | hratsimihah | the open-source ideolofy* |
| 19:29.10 | hratsimihah | gy* |
| 19:29.17 | hratsimihah | Right. |
| 19:29.44 | radugate_ | Where can the public applications be seen? |
| 19:30.18 | roonyH | carols: so you haven't planned to stop the program? |
| 19:30.30 | carols | radugate_: via the URL from the student who submitted it. |
| 19:30.37 | sumanah | d33tah: You are not alone. There are a lot of people out there like you who are interested in becoming better, more disciplined engineers and open source contributors. http://beeminder.com/ and http://hackerschool.com/ and OpenHatch and http://software-carpentry.org/ and http://www.whatcanidoformozilla.org/ are places to check out that might help you |
| 19:30.38 | carols | roonyH: all i've planned to do thus far is run gsoc 2013. |
| 19:30.45 | carols | roonyH: there's nothing else i've planned for. |
| 19:30.57 | roonyH | right :) |
| 19:31.01 | JordiGH | So the proposals are done now? |
| 19:31.03 | JordiGH | No more? |
| 19:31.06 | carols | JordiGH: yes |
| 19:31.08 | sumanah | JordiGH: yes. |
| 19:31.08 | JordiGH | Yay. |
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| 19:33.40 | radugate_ | ah..i thought there was something like a public page with all projects to browse through. alright, thanks! |
| 19:33.54 | carols | radugate_: yw |
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| 19:34.12 | rihen_ | hi sumanah there :) |
| 19:34.16 | carols | if it's any consolation, once we've announced accepted students you'll be able to browse all of their projects. |
| 19:35.15 | sumanah | hi rihen_ |
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| 19:36.19 | neo1691 | sumanah: I came to know about gsoc only 5 days before the deadline, But it helped me understand open source better |
| 19:36.35 | sumanah | I'm glad it did |
| 19:37.11 | neo1691 | :) |
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| 19:43.47 | Victor____ | It has come to my attention that the deadline for submitting the proposal was 12PM and not 3 PM. Given that I only missed it by two hours is there any recourse? |
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| 19:43.55 | downey | Victor____: no |
| 19:43.55 | sumanah | No, Victor____ |
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| 19:44.38 | schumaml | Victor____: you missed it by 44 minutes |
| 19:44.49 | sumanah | carols: When I was helping students with their applications over the past week I saw that there was interest in an ESL teach-in, an IRC chat going over some common grammar/punctuation/etiquette errors. Would you mind if I held such a thing in #gsoc at some point in the next few weeks, or during the bonding period? |
| 19:44.52 | schumaml | 19:00 utc |
| 19:45.01 | Victor____ | So I couldn't take this up directly with the organization I was planning to apply to? |
| 19:45.12 | downey | sumanah: oooh, +1 |
| 19:45.18 | carols | sumanah: is there a reason mediawiki can't host it in their channel? |
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| 19:45.32 | schumaml | Victor____: you can contribute to them, but noth within gsoc |
| 19:45.50 | schumaml | but it could be that they fund slots by themselves |
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| 19:46.13 | sumanah | carols: If you'd prefer that, I can do that, or create a new channel for this. I would specifically want to make clear that this isn't just for Wikimedia/MediaWiki contributors and so holding it someplace other than #mediawiki would be nice. |
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| 19:46.33 | Victor____ | Thank you for the information schumaml |
| 19:46.37 | carols | sumanah: so have a G+ hangout? |
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| 19:47.52 | sumanah | carols: In my experience (and in Wikimedia's experience), people on low-bandwidth net connections can do IRC a LOT better than they can do Hangout. If you'd rather not have it in #gsoc you can just say so and I'll create another channel for it. :-) |
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| 19:48.09 | carols | sumanah: i'd rather keep this gsoc specific :-) |
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| 19:48.36 | sumanah | carols: Got it. This is meant to be for GSoC students/applicants, but regardless, I'll simply mention it to the GSoC community but hold it elsewhere |
| 19:48.43 | carols | great :-) |
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| 19:51.00 | sumanah | downey: what does your gut say - should it be before or after acceptances? |
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| 19:51.20 | downey | sumanah: might as well be after, during the bonding period |
| 19:51.52 | JakeDust | Is adding comments possible (as a student) after today's deadline? |
| 19:52.21 | JakeDust | oh, the deadline already happened. |
| 19:52.21 | hratsimihah | JakeDust: yes. |
| 19:53.05 | JakeDust | hratsimihah: thanks |
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| 20:13.53 | baba | hi |
| 20:14.27 | sumanah | hi baba |
| 20:14.38 | baba | hi sumanah :) |
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| 20:15.47 | baba | sumanah: hi hope you remember me ..!! |
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| 20:15.56 | sumanah | Sorry, baba, no, I do not. |
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| 20:16.11 | baba | np :) |
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| 20:28.39 | se_busca_ayuda | I missed the deadline! Is there anything I can do to submit an application? |
| 20:29.16 | carols | se_busca_ayuda: you're welcome to contribute to open source on a volunteer basis. |
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| 20:29.59 | se_busca_ayuda | carols: i would but i need a mentor |
| 20:30.16 | carols | se_busca_ayuda: well, folks in the OS community informally mentor other folks all the time. |
| 20:30.28 | carols | just approach them and let them know you'd like to volunteer with them. |
| 20:30.58 | se_busca_ayuda | nice try, but i've been flamed out of plenty of OS chatrooms |
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| 20:31.30 | carols | alright, well, i hope you have a nice friday anyway. |
| 20:31.44 | jgh | se_busca_ayuda: You can still get mentors without GSoC. In fact, mentors don't need GSoC at all do any mentoring. They don't get paid to do so. |
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| 20:32.22 | blast007 | se_busca_ayuda: then perhaps probably not putting forth enough effort on your own to learn about a project? |
| 20:33.15 | perepujal1 | se_busca_ayuda: or just start contributing patches/ideas/bug reports to a project |
| 20:33.51 | swook | I think GSoC exists to push students into OSS development who may not otherwise... |
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| 20:34.32 | swook | so it feels a bit odd to tell them to just go and contribute |
| 20:34.38 | swook | not that that's wrong of course |
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| 20:35.57 | JordiGH | swook: It gives a monetary incentive. If you don't need the monetary incentive, then you don't need GSoC. |
| 20:36.13 | swook | perhaps |
| 20:36.24 | swook | I think the fact that it's a programme matters to me |
| 20:36.32 | swook | since there's a defined structure |
| 20:36.33 | JordiGH | swook: The whole ideas page and mentoring already happens without Google's intervention. |
| 20:36.48 | JordiGH | You can follow that structure without Google's help too. |
| 20:36.53 | swook | I think you're right |
| 20:38.43 | swook | JordiGH: I'm sure there are other factors in play such as the GSoC branding |
| 20:39.41 | JordiGH | Yeah, I think that's kinda dishonest, in a way. Putting "Google" in your CV when you do GSoC is a bit weird, since as a student you never directly interact with Google other than through Melange and some basic elligibility checks. You're selected by the org, you work with the org, and you're evaluated by the org. |
| 20:39.51 | Crystallis | !next |
| 20:39.52 | gsocbot | Crystallis: "next" is May 6th: Mentor organizations should have requested desired slots |
| 20:39.59 | JordiGH | Not dishonest, just that doing GSoC so you can get "Google" in your CV seems kinda like so not the point. |
| 20:40.17 | swook | yes you're entirely right |
| 20:40.31 | swook | public representation of the work does matter though |
| 20:40.41 | swook | and 'participant of GSoC' wouldn't be a lie |
| 20:40.52 | Crystallis | Seems overly selfish. The main point is to help open source and getting that on your CV is a secondary point. |
| 20:41.22 | swook | Crystallis: if that is the case, GSoC wouldn't have to exist surely? |
| 20:41.29 | JordiGH | There's nothing wrong with being selfish, it's just that Google had almost nothing to do with it. It's not at all anything like an internship at Google. |
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| 20:42.31 | swook | name value is one aspect, but like I mentioned a well known and defined programme is a big factor |
| 20:42.45 | swook | it's kind of like home tutoring versus schooling, I'd say |
| 20:42.54 | swook | though that may not be the best analogy |
| 20:43.01 | schumaml | it helps a lot to have someone to take care of most of the paperwork |
| 20:43.22 | swook | I just started talking about this since it sounded a bit unwelcoming |
| 20:43.28 | schumaml | e.g. everything related to paying someone |
| 20:43.31 | bbc | !next |
| 20:43.33 | gsocbot | bbc: "next" is May 6th: Mentor organizations should have requested desired slots |
| 20:43.54 | downey | most free software projects couldn't pull off an internship program and the overhead associated it--even with only 1 student--without the help of an org like google to coordinate it. |
| 20:43.58 | swook | "Sorry but you can try next year! Meanwhile, why don't you look into working with the org anyway?" may have been a more friendly answer |
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| 20:44.06 | swook | instead of "just go and work anyway since that's possible" |
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| 20:44.41 | JordiGH | downey: Well, we don't have Google's pockets. |
| 20:44.45 | JordiGH | I wish we did. |
| 20:44.45 | chaudhary | !next |
| 20:44.47 | gsocbot | chaudhary: "next" is May 6th: Mentor organizations should have requested desired slots |
| 20:44.55 | chaudhary | ! |
| 20:45.00 | JordiGH | I wish it was the FSF summer of code. |
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| 20:45.09 | swook | afterall, most students don't even know any of the orgs when they start looking into GSoC... judging from the "what ideas should I do ppl?" questions |
| 20:46.09 | JordiGH | swook: Sure, having Melange so that people can put their ideas there is useful, but this too mostly can happen without Google, and it's not difficult to have a webpage where you can point to all of the ideas page. Indeed, SOCIS can do that as well, but ESA can't pay for as many people as GSoC. |
| 20:46.50 | JordiGH | I think Octave may be the only org that has done both GSoC and SOCIS. It wasn't any different from our point of view. |
| 20:46.59 | schumaml | swook: careful, that's not necessarily "most" |
| 20:46.59 | swook | well it sounds right but I don't feel comfortable about reducing GSoC down to just funding |
| 20:47.11 | swook | schumaml: sorry, you're right |
| 20:47.16 | schumaml | only those who can't figure things out for themselves are going to ask |
| 20:47.23 | JordiGH | swook: It really mostly is. The vast majority of the work is done by not-Google. |
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| 20:47.47 | swook | yes I do know |
| 20:47.50 | JordiGH | swook: Google just set forth the rules for getting the money and perhaps paid a few people to work on Melange. The rest is all the orgs. |
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| 20:47.55 | swook | which is why I can't disagree with your points |
| 20:48.04 | JordiGH | (I imagine the Melange devs are paid, is what I mean.) |
| 20:48.16 | downey | JordiGH: Well, we'll have to agree to disagree. :) |
| 20:48.38 | JordiGH | downey: I believe we already do that. |
| 20:48.38 | rku | JordiGH: KDE did SoCiS as well. |
| 20:48.48 | JordiGH | rku: Ah, great. |
| 20:48.53 | swook | I don't think it's good to downplay the organisation aspect of something like GSoC |
| 20:48.59 | swook | especially since it spans across hundreds of orgs |
| 20:49.11 | JordiGH | swook: 1.8 hundreds, to be precise. |
| 20:49.26 | swook | JordiGH: GSoC happens annually with orgs lists changing |
| 20:49.28 | swook | so hundreds |
| 20:49.45 | JordiGH | I think the total number of orgs must be in the 2.5 hundreds range. |
| 20:49.54 | JordiGH | Across all years. |
| 20:49.57 | gevaerts | guesses at 300 |
| 20:50.04 | swook | I was around for the rejection feedback when it happened on irc |
| 20:50.18 | swook | I don't remember numbers but there were quite a lot, at least a hundred |
| 20:50.20 | downey | https://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/ProgramStatistics |
| 20:50.56 | gevaerts | swook: rejected orgs don't count :) |
| 20:50.56 | JordiGH | swook: Yeah, a lot more orgs apply, but I imagine 300 is a generous upper bound for the number of orgs that have been accepted across all time. |
| 20:51.07 | gevaerts | JordiGH: let's work it out! |
| 20:51.08 | gevaerts | starts |
| 20:51.11 | swook | gevaerts: rejected currently but accepted previously was what I was thinking about |
| 20:51.22 | JordiGH | gevaerts: Does Melange have a RESTful API? |
| 20:51.22 | swook | JordiGH: 300 sounds fair |
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| 20:51.37 | gevaerts | JordiGH: it has CSV export of sorts |
| 20:51.44 | JordiGH | Hmmmm... |
| 20:51.51 | JordiGH | looks at the time. |
| 20:52.05 | JordiGH | looks at an ipython prompt... |
| 20:52.10 | JordiGH | imports requests... |
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| 20:54.56 | gevaerts | Assuming all orgs have always used the same short name (which is obviously not true), the number would be 405 |
| 20:55.12 | JordiGH | Ah, beat me to it. |
| 20:55.30 | hjpotter92 | !next |
| 20:55.31 | gsocbot | hjpotter92: "next" is May 6th: Mentor organizations should have requested desired slots |
| 20:55.42 | scorche|sh | gevaerts: and that is going back to 2005? |
| 20:55.51 | gevaerts | scorche|sh: no, melange era only |
| 20:55.53 | scorche|sh | ah |
| 20:56.57 | JordiGH | So, 405. |
| 20:57.11 | gevaerts | There are quite a few obvious duplicates in there |
| 20:57.18 | JordiGH | How obvious? |
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| 20:57.47 | gevaerts | beagle/beagleboard, catroid/catroid_project/catroidproject, ... |
| 20:57.54 | JordiGH | Ah. |
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| 20:59.41 | gevaerts | ospo/gospo/google :) |
| 21:00.23 | swook | are you going through and removing duplicates? :o |
| 21:00.29 | gevaerts | The obvious ones, yes |
| 21:00.39 | gevaerts | For science :) |
| 21:00.49 | JordiGH | gevaerts: mercurial and hg are an unobvious duplicate. |
| 21:01.39 | scorche|sh | gevaerts: if you want to do it for science, you need to include back to 2005 ;) |
| 21:01.51 | gevaerts | scorche|sh: you get the data :) |
| 21:02.11 | scorche|sh | melange started at what...2008? |
| 21:02.17 | gevaerts | 2009 |
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| 21:02.56 | scorche|sh | gevaerts: also, this list will not be fully complete, as you will get umbrella orgs |
| 21:03.01 | gevaerts | Oh, indeed |
| 21:03.15 | gevaerts | I just want a rough idea though |
| 21:03.36 | scorche|sh | gevaerts: https://developers.google.com/open-source/soc/2005/ https://developers.google.com/open-source/soc/2006/ https://developers.google.com/open-source/soc/2007/ https://developers.google.com/open-source/soc/2008/ |
| 21:04.27 | derdon | things are not always as easy as they seem |
| 21:04.28 | swook | wouldn't it be safe to assume they'll almost all be duplicates in the melange years? |
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| 21:04.39 | scorche|sh | swook: not in the least |
| 21:04.40 | swook | unless some orgs really didn't like GSoC |
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| 21:04.45 | gevaerts | swook: how can we know? :) |
| 21:05.05 | swook | well we can't, but in general I would think it might be beneficial for orgs to return |
| 21:05.42 | gevaerts | I'm fairly sure melange wasn't in there before 2009 |
| 21:06.30 | dberkholz | man, that slot allocation deadline will never stop driving me nuts |
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| 21:07.03 | dberkholz | basically that means we have to know exactly who we want to accept in 3 days, and the rest of the window doesn't matter at all |
| 21:07.17 | swook | gevaerts: but what sort of an uncertainty are you looking for? |
| 21:08.00 | gevaerts | swook: JordiGH guessed at ~250, I thought 300+. We need to settle this |
| 21:08.10 | swook | ah hehe |
| 21:08.35 | perepujal1 | dberkholz: that means that you should know how many mentor/proposals you will be able to handle |
| 21:08.41 | downey | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:11.27 | dberkholz | perepujal1: we could handle all of them. and then some. |
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| 21:11.47 | dberkholz | perepujal1: but being greedy about slots just stresses out the other orgs |
| 21:12.03 | dberkholz | perepujal1: because then they're frantically scrambling around trying to get enough for even their very best students |
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| 21:14.32 | dberkholz | it's a little different when you've got like 200 developers. |
| 21:16.11 | downey | dberkholz: I have a number "# of serious, dedicated, great mentors" that I use to start with |
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| 21:18.16 | gevaerts | dislikes ideas lists on google docs and github |
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| 21:26.01 | MatthewWilkes | I've just seem the best answer ever to the requirement for a timeline |
| 21:26.32 | MatthewWilkes | "Half-way through the coding period my project will be: 50 % done" |
| 21:26.42 | gevaerts | :) |
| 21:26.45 | gevaerts | Brilliant! |
| 21:27.21 | gevaerts | swook, scorche|sh: I think I can confidently claim 400+ |
| 21:27.29 | gevaerts | (2005-2013) |
| 21:28.07 | gevaerts | I've taken the primary domains (i.e. top level + 1) from the ideas page urls, and counted those |
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| 21:29.02 | Hardolaf | MatthewWilkes: I think they mean, it will be 90% complete with 90% to go. |
| 21:29.58 | gevaerts | Still some duplicates (blender.org/blender3d.org, linux-foundation.org/linuxfoundation.org...), but also some missing stuff (only one entry for all projects that use github, google docs, ... for the ideas page). Total is 421 then |
| 21:30.14 | gevaerts | Which isn't very precise, so I'm rounding down to 400 |
| 21:30.16 | olly | gevaerts: top level domain may fail to conflate too - some orgs change domain but are still the same org |
| 21:30.32 | gevaerts | olly: yes. We clearly need more discipline :) |
| 21:30.36 | olly | wxwindows.org -> wxwidgets.org for example, though that's probably prior to their gsoc involvement |
| 21:30.55 | swook | gevaerts: that's quite a few! |
| 21:31.02 | olly | oh, and the examples you just gave too |
| 21:31.10 | olly | sorry, not fully awake yet |
| 21:31.38 | gevaerts | olly: if you go through the lot, you'll soon be fully asleep again :) |
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| 21:31.53 | olly | mmm ... sleep |
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| 21:32.42 | gevaerts | I think umbrellas, name changes and other confusions will make really precise numbers fundamentally impossible |
| 21:33.16 | olly | if a project forks and the fork participates, it's kind of hard to say if that's the same project |
| 21:33.49 | gevaerts | nods |
| 21:33.56 | olly | as they don't say, you can never commit to the same project twice... |
| 21:34.06 | gevaerts | :) |
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| 21:36.31 | olly | not sure what I'd have expected the number to be |
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| 21:37.10 | olly | gevaerts: do you have the total number of org places ever to hand? |
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| 21:37.40 | gevaerts | Places? |
| 21:38.02 | olly | how many non-unique orgs have taken part |
| 21:38.08 | olly | so 177+180+... |
| 21:38.30 | gevaerts | Around 1277, I'd say |
| 21:38.31 | olly | i was wondering what the average years/org was - i guess about 2 |
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| 21:38.40 | olly | about 3 then |
| 21:38.42 | gevaerts | If all my lists are accurate |
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| 21:41.24 | j4nu5 | !next |
| 21:41.26 | gsocbot | j4nu5: "next" is May 6th: Mentor organizations should have requested desired slots |
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| 21:45.45 | henri | i know the accepted students are only allowed to be announced May 27 |
| 21:46.03 | henri | but are the organizations allowed to tell those who are rejected earlier on? i'd like to know in advance |
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| 21:47.39 | gevaerts | henri: no |
| 21:48.21 | gevaerts | olly: one third of the organisations taking part in 2005 haven't missed out yet |
| 21:48.21 | henri | gevaerts: ok :) |
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| 21:50.11 | JakeDust | I'm still sad that bluez wasn't accepted this year :( |
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| 21:52.44 | olly | gevaerts: that's perhaps less surprising - google probably picked big orgs who now have a lot of experience in doing gsoc well |
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| 21:53.33 | olly | henri: google ask the orgs not to reveal before the deadline, so please don't pester for hints |
| 21:54.26 | gevaerts | olly: some of them are big, yes, but there are a few small ones there too |
| 21:54.27 | henri | olly i didn't pester the organization or ask them, i was simply asking the question here. |
| 21:54.28 | sonney2k | does anyone how how many students applied? |
| 21:54.35 | sonney2k | or how many applications were submitted? |
| 21:54.42 | swook | !numapps | sonney2k |
| 21:54.43 | gsocbot | sonney2k: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4258 students submitted 6685 proposals, of which 1212 were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 students submitted 5474 proposals, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 21:54.55 | gevaerts | sonney2k: that will probably be published soon |
| 21:55.02 | sonney2k | I see |
| 21:55.19 | gevaerts | olly: let's see how many of those survivors you can guess ;) |
| 21:55.54 | swook | gevaerts: KDE? |
| 21:56.11 | henri | for some reason i feel as if the numbers are going to be lower this year |
| 21:57.11 | olly | the total number is likely to be reduced because the limit per student is down from 20 to 5 |
| 21:57.29 | olly | and quite a few students submitted the same junk app to 20 orgs before |
| 21:57.37 | swook | the whole process is also later on compared to last year right? |
| 21:57.42 | olly | it is |
| 21:57.50 | olly | some orgs have seen reduced numbers |
| 21:57.52 | swook | that would be the main reason if there are less |
| 21:58.09 | olly | though I remember we've had a thread about that most years, and previously the final numbers have been similar or higher |
| 21:58.28 | olly | people fail to factor in the final rush |
| 21:58.57 | gevaerts | http://sonnenburgs.de/soeren/media/images/gsoc2013-applications.png is a good example of that |
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| 21:59.09 | gevaerts | swook: kde is in there, yes |
| 21:59.33 | olly | yeah |
| 21:59.49 | olly | debian seems to have a lot this year |
| 21:59.51 | baba | gevaerts: exponential growth..!! |
| 22:00.20 | olly | i don't know last year's number for sure though - someone bloggeda graph with a number in the text which doesn't match the graph |
| 22:00.22 | JakeDust | it'd be nice to get an analysis about the concentration of proposals |
| 22:00.29 | gevaerts | baba: that's why nobody guarantees that melange won't be overloaded near the end :) |
| 22:00.37 | baba | gevaerts: :D |
| 22:00.38 | JakeDust | I'd imagine it follows the power law |
| 22:01.01 | olly | TBH, it wouldn't be a great loss is the last day of submissions fail to appear |
| 22:01.14 | baba | gevaerts: even i was praying that site doesn't hangs up, becuase i submitted at the very last moment, the admin told to make some changes. |
| 22:01.19 | baba | only 20 min were left. |
| 22:01.44 | JakeDust | baba: I submitted a week ago, but my last edit was with around 4 hours left. |
| 22:01.44 | henri | i'm guilty of being part of that final rush. i figured why not, if i don't get accepted no biggie. |
| 22:01.48 | olly | bada: that's hardly trying - I've seen submissions in the last 10 seconds |
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| 22:01.57 | JakeDust | olly: whoa. |
| 22:01.58 | gevaerts | baba: losing some last minute changes is a *lot* less bad than missing out entirely though |
| 22:02.12 | gevaerts | olly: wasn't the record 1.5s or something like that? |
| 22:02.42 | baba | JakeDust: the internet connection over my place is quite bad so i feel my self quite lucky |
| 22:02.45 | baba | gevaerts: exactly |
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| 22:10.06 | krinye | anyone know what to do in the interim? |
| 22:10.20 | krinye | or do we have to wait for the offical student acceptance |
| 22:10.44 | JakeDust | krinye: last year I submitted some patches while waiting for the acceptance |
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| 22:13.11 | krinye | @JackeDust....cool |
| 22:13.51 | perepujal1 | krinye: play with the software, send patches, help people on irc or mail, most orgs wants contributors/friends rather than employees |
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| 22:26.30 | _Nico | how many proposals were filed in the end? |
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| 22:27.48 | derdon | wait until the poor google intern has counted all of them |
| 22:28.12 | _Nico | ;) |
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| 22:28.37 | perepujal1 | !numapps|_Nico |
| 22:28.56 | perepujal1 | !numapps |
| 22:28.57 | gsocbot | perepujal1: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4258 students submitted 6685 proposals, of which 1212 were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 students submitted 5474 proposals, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
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| 22:33.48 | xchg | are the not accepted proposals usually not accepted beacuse of org or because of google? |
| 22:34.18 | jojva | xchg, orgs choose |
| 22:34.38 | jojva | it might be for poor quality proposal, or just not enough spots for everybody |
| 22:34.54 | imduffy15 | How much people can one org usually take on? |
| 22:35.01 | perepujal1 | and google doesn't allow all the slots claimed by the orgs ;) |
| 22:35.41 | swook | imduffy15: it depends on how large the org is |
| 22:35.56 | kblin | !slots | imduffy15 |
| 22:35.56 | gsocbot | imduffy15: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations |
| 22:36.13 | swook | imduffy15: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/projects/list/google/gsoc2012 for an idea |
| 22:36.46 | imduffy15 | Oh right cool! thanks for the info. |
| 22:43.24 | chaudhary | how many slots were allocated to kde in past? Any guesses. |
| 22:43.42 | swook | chaudhary: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/projects/list/google/gsoc2012 for an idea |
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| 22:44.08 | kblin | 20-30ish |
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| 22:45.41 | chaudhary | 63 actually |
| 22:45.50 | kblin | oh, really? |
| 22:45.58 | chaudhary | looks like it |
| 22:45.58 | swook | 63 yes |
| 22:46.10 | kblin | wow, way to be off then :) |
| 22:46.35 | chaudhary | it's a huge org after all |
| 22:46.46 | kblin | sure |
| 22:48.33 | perepujal1 | I am just a mentor, with konqueror 4.8.4 or iceweasel 10.0.12 don't see the score widget, happens to somebody else? |
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| 22:49.15 | chaudhary | 47 in 2011; I bet kde will cross 80 this time |
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| 22:50.01 | kblin | perepujal1: asked in #melange? |
| 22:50.26 | perepujal1 | kblin: yes, no reply |
| 22:50.53 | kblin | send them a mail, then :) |
| 22:51.52 | perepujal1 | is melange-soc-dev a suscribers-only list? |
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| 22:52.42 | hratsimihah | There's a huge difference between allocating 60 slots to a big organization and 1-2 slots to a new organization. :/ |
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| 22:54.38 | swook | hratsimihah: KDE is very very big |
| 22:54.50 | chaudhary | It's no big thing, but you make big things out of little things sometimes. |
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| 22:55.19 | derdon | hratsimihah: we have learned from the capitalism: give less to the poor and more to the rich |
| 22:55.53 | stefanct | do individual student proposals influence google's decision on the number of slots an org receives? |
| 22:55.57 | chaudhary | you can't call kde one org btw, because it's a collection of hundreds of projects |
| 22:56.23 | swook | but under one roof |
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| 22:56.50 | chaudhary | It was started as a small desktop project but now it's a collection of various software projects from music to image to small app |
| 22:57.04 | chaudhary | exactly swook |
| 22:57.22 | swook | stefanct: the link shown with !slots mentions a preliminary allocation of slots based on 'popularity' which is based on number of proposals submitted per org |
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| 22:58.04 | swook | chaudhary: it's still a odd not to call KDE one organisation |
| 22:58.24 | chaudhary | haha |
| 22:58.37 | swook | -a |
| 22:59.17 | chaudhary | peace |
| 22:59.35 | swook | peace |
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| 22:59.59 | swook | I almost started a DE discussion but that's not for #gsoc |
| 23:00.55 | hratsimihah | swook: I thought the cutoff based on popularity was only based on whether an organization was new or not. |
| 23:01.00 | chaudhary | precisely |
| 23:01.07 | stefanct | swook: hm. but the word preliminary could either mean that they do some spot tests and look into individual proposals, or that refers to the slot-balancing stage... |
| 23:02.27 | stefanct | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/studentallocations there is some information |
| 23:04.07 | swook | I only know as much as you do unfortunately |
| 23:04.17 | swook | https://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations seems to be the link to refer to on allocations |
| 23:04.26 | swook | though at the moment the contents are identical |
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| 23:05.48 | stefanct | good timing, hello carols ;) |
| 23:05.53 | carols | hello stefanct |
| 23:06.07 | stefanct | do individual student proposals influence google's decision on the number of slots an org receives? |
| 23:06.25 | carols | we look at that number |
| 23:06.31 | carols | but really, the answer to your question is no. |
| 23:06.45 | carols | the only time it would matter is if, for example, an org got only one or two proposals |
| 23:06.54 | carols | in which case we'd probably grant them a small number of slots |
| 23:06.59 | carols | otherwise, not really. |
| 23:07.02 | stefanct | sure, thanks |
| 23:07.04 | carols | yw |
| 23:08.02 | stefanct | i was just a bit worried because my proposal was written so that non-community members could get a wrong opinion :) |
| 23:09.10 | carols | don't worry :-) |
| 23:09.16 | carols | there's really no reason to ever worry in gsoc |
| 23:09.19 | carols | unless you're cheating |
| 23:09.27 | carols | but people seem to like to find reasons to worry :-) |
| 23:10.28 | gevaerts | It's either worrying or complaining :) |
| 23:10.33 | stefanct | hehe |
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| 23:46.27 | jcalvinowens | !numapps |
| 23:46.27 | gsocbot | jcalvinowens: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4258 students submitted 6685 proposals, of which 1212 were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 students submitted 5474 proposals, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
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| 23:59.48 | hratsimihah | carols: isn't the fact that only 1-2 slots are granted to a new organization that receives over 10 proposals worrysome? :) |
