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| 03:30.17 | gsocbot | k-joseph: "next" is May 24 at 07.00 UTC: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor |
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| 03:41.38 | Guest60735 | whats up guys ? I need to know whether mentors also have to submit applications for gsoc 2013 ? |
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| 03:44.57 | Guest60735 | hi ! I really to know the answer to my query , if anyone knows the answer please help me |
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| 03:46.29 | ojwb | Guest60735: it's up to the org how they select their mentors |
| 03:47.28 | Guest60735 | ojwb, if a mentor is selected for one year does his probability to get selected again for next year get affected ? |
| 03:47.51 | ojwb | such things really depend on the org |
| 03:48.12 | nyzuul | Does anyone know when students should expect to be notified of whether or not they were selected? I'm assuming the 24th but I'm not sure |
| 03:48.33 | Guest60735 | okay ojwb |
| 03:48.35 | ojwb | nyzuul: no, 27th |
| 03:48.39 | ojwb | as per the timeline |
| 03:48.44 | nyzuul | ojwb: got it, thank you |
| 03:49.03 | hari_om | can we know how many students have applied for same project? |
| 03:49.05 | ojwb | 24-27th is needed to sort out any students who more than one org indicate they want |
| 03:49.34 | ojwb | and resolving that can then create further duplicates |
| 03:49.52 | ojwb | hari_om: you can try asking the org |
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| 03:51.20 | ojwb | but it doesn't really tell you anything very useful - they're might be a lot of other poor proposals, or you might be the only one but there are better proposals for other project ideas |
| 03:53.13 | hari_om | do all the projects of a org get to be executed or it depends on something? |
| 03:53.45 | ojwb | it's very unlikely they all will |
| 03:54.08 | ojwb | the org get assigned a number of student "slots" to allocate |
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| 03:54.28 | ojwb | they may also have a limited number of potential mentors |
| 03:55.19 | ojwb | and an org isn't going to select a poor application just because it's the only one for a particular idea |
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| 03:56.05 | hari_om | ojwb: got it thank you |
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| 04:00.30 | hari_om | As suggested by GSoc channel's topic "work with your mentor.....", what does this means?? |
| 04:03.15 | ojwb | talk to them about your proposal |
| 04:03.30 | ojwb | see if there's anything which needs clarify or could be improved |
| 04:03.51 | ojwb | though if you haven't been already, it may be getting a bit late |
| 04:04.17 | hari_om | yah i have talked about this with my mentor. He asked me to improve things. |
| 04:04.57 | hari_om | He was ok with the improvements but he is not responding since few days |
| 04:05.18 | hari_om | does this mean my proposal was bad |
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| 04:07.00 | ojwb | doesn't necessarily mean anything |
| 04:07.05 | dfighter | only professional Kremlinologists know |
| 04:07.07 | ojwb | i'd stop trying to overanalyse |
| 04:07.29 | ojwb | you don't have enough information to draw a reliable conclusion |
| 04:07.47 | ojwb | and final decisions haven't been made anyway |
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| 04:37.10 | rocky | !next |
| 04:37.11 | gsocbot | rocky: "next" is May 24 at 07.00 UTC: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor |
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| 04:38.51 | rocky | Is the decision of proposal selection already taken or should I contact mentors for that. I got no communication from them |
| 04:39.53 | rocky | Anyone online? |
| 04:41.49 | zifeitong | !anyone |
| 04:41.49 | gsocbot | zifeitong: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization directly. You can find an org's contact information via the org list at http://goo.gl/yxeB0 |
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| 04:45.16 | dfighter | rocky read the FAQ, paying attention to the timeline... -.- |
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| 04:46.29 | rocky | dfighter Its written: "Please work with your mentors while they rank the proposals." But no one has contacted me yet |
| 04:47.10 | dfighter | rocky because there was no need to contact you, more than likely ;) |
| 04:47.37 | rocky | ok |
| 04:47.42 | dfighter | rocky and besides what I said was more aimed at your question about proposal selection |
| 04:48.04 | rocky | ok thanks dfighter :) |
| 04:48.15 | dfighter | np |
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| 07:50.06 | abhiram | im a student applied for gsoc |
| 07:50.26 | abhiram | it says dat on may24th |
| 07:50.34 | abhiram | Student acceptance choice deadline. |
| 07:51.02 | abhiram | does that mean organisations ask the students who got accepted ? |
| 07:51.13 | abhiram | to accept the proposal ? |
| 07:52.30 | abhiram | hello ? |
| 07:53.28 | Ivanovic | no |
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| 07:53.39 | Ivanovic | this is a date for the orgs |
| 07:53.44 | Ivanovic | until then they need to have decided |
| 07:53.55 | abhiram | oh k |
| 07:53.59 | Ivanovic | abhiram: the students themseleves will only know if they are accepted at the date of announcement |
| 07:54.04 | abhiram | on that date they finalize the list ? |
| 07:54.07 | Ivanovic | orgs are not allowed to tell their students before |
| 07:54.13 | abhiram | oh k |
| 07:54.14 | nurupo | abhiram: 27th |
| 07:54.15 | abhiram | cool |
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| 09:17.52 | prskla | Hello. I cannot seem to understand why doesn't Google want the orgs to reveal who the selected candidates are before 27th. I mean, at least to the people who definitely aren't getting selected, it should be told so that they can use that time more productively. So, why is this policy there? I cannot see any particular reason for it. |
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| 09:20.00 | prskla | Anybody there? |
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| 09:24.13 | weltallAnd | They want to do the announcement |
| 09:26.48 | prskla | who? what announcement? |
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| 11:45.29 | mouseover | Is it appropriate to ask the Mentors how my proposal is doing? |
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| 11:51.00 | olly_ | mouseover: they're not allowed to tell you if you're selected or not until the official announcement date |
| 11:51.31 | mouseover | olly_: oh... |
| 11:52.00 | mouseover | sigh... |
| 11:52.23 | mouseover | How fiercely is this rule followed? because I have some time and I would like to get working right away |
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| 11:55.11 | zifeitong | i think you can just start work on it |
| 11:55.39 | mouseover | zifeitong: but what if I don't get selected? |
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| 11:56.46 | zifeitong | mouseover: while i do not think being selected as gsoc studeent is required for me to contribute to oss project |
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| 11:56.55 | zifeitong | it's just a bouns |
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| 11:58.05 | zifeitong | hacking a cool project itself is cool and rewarding |
| 11:58.43 | mouseover | zifeitong: Yes, but all else being equal, I would rather prioritize my project work (oss or not) |
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| 18:41.14 | k-joseph | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:48.42 | rays2pix | Do we get email notification when comments are added on proposals? |
| 18:49.03 | downey | rays2pix: define "we"? |
| 18:49.21 | paultag | FSVO we, yes :) |
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| 18:49.42 | rays2pix | downey:students |
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| 18:50.45 | downey | rays2pix: yes, you should |
| 18:50.50 | tachyons | <rays2pix> : yes |
| 18:51.21 | roonyH | it can be disabled |
| 18:51.21 | josko- | Yes! :D |
| 18:51.55 | rays2pix | oh under which page? I didnt get notified for comments on my page |
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| 18:53.02 | rays2pix | spotted it in profile |
| 18:53.44 | roonyH | https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/profile/google/gsoc2013#form_row_notify_public_comments |
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| 18:54.17 | rays2pix | roonyH: thanks. Just turned them on |
| 18:54.27 | roonyH | yw |
| 18:55.07 | roonyH | oh I see you have spotted it already :0 |
| 18:55.20 | rays2pix | I just noticed a comment made almost a week ago.Hope I didnt hurt my chances:(! |
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| 19:02.54 | S_Somani | !countdown |
| 19:02.55 | gsocbot | S_Somani: "countdown" is http://goo.gl/ocEn4 |
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| 19:04.33 | roonyH | hmmm 167 hours.... |
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| 19:09.30 | roccivic | !numapps |
| 19:09.31 | gsocbot | roccivic: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4258 students submitted 6685 proposals, of which 1212 were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 students submitted 5474 proposals, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
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| 19:14.47 | jjs1 | Hi all. I have a students' question: |
| 19:15.06 | jjs1 | We're in the 'interim period' where "organizations review and rank student proposals". |
| 19:15.21 | jjs1 | The next phase starts on 22nd May |
| 19:15.38 | jjs1 | Does this mean that from 22nd, nothing we do will influence our application? |
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| 19:16.18 | josko- | Isn't it 24th of May? |
| 19:16.20 | josko- | !next |
| 19:16.21 | gsocbot | josko-: "next" is May 24 at 07.00 UTC: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor |
| 19:16.21 | roonyH | 22nd? |
| 19:16.31 | gevaerts | Well, I wouldn't say "nothing" |
| 19:16.41 | jjs1 | https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 |
| 19:16.53 | jjs1 | > May 22: First round of de-duplication checks |
| 19:17.01 | josko- | Oh, thank you. I missed that :( |
| 19:17.18 | aghisla | I would say that it is the moment you have to be ready to answer some more questions from the mentors |
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| 19:17.45 | gevaerts | It's *never* too late to antagonise org admins so much they refuse to work with you :) |
| 19:17.59 | jjs1 | aghisla: I see |
| 19:18.08 | jjs1 | gevaerts: Ha de ha :) |
| 19:18.13 | downey | heh. |
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| 19:18.47 | aghisla | because if the org has one slot freed because of deduplication, you could be a candidate for that slot. |
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| 19:19.10 | jjs1 | aghisla: That's a good point. Thanks |
| 19:19.13 | aghisla | (I was about to write "decuplication." It would be nicer than deduplication :) ) |
| 19:19.39 | gevaerts | I'd say the impact of your interactions will be less the nearer you get to the announcements, but everything counts |
| 19:19.55 | gugu | do students have a role in the meeting on 22nd? |
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| 19:21.31 | aghisla | gugu: some orgs ask the students which project they prefer, some don't. |
| 19:21.32 | gevaerts | gugu: you mean the 24th? |
| 19:21.53 | gugu | gevaerts, nope the one on 22nd |
| 19:22.09 | gevaerts | There is no meeting on the 22nd as far as I can see |
| 19:22.32 | gugu | !timeline |
| 19:22.32 | gsocbot | gugu: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 |
| 19:22.53 | jjs1 | gevaerts: The page linked above says "First round of de-duplication checks happens; organizations work together to try to resolve as many duplicates as possible." |
| 19:22.58 | gevaerts | Yes |
| 19:23.03 | jjs1 | Under "May 22:" |
| 19:23.12 | gugu | hmm, but there is no meeting :) |
| 19:23.23 | gevaerts | That means org admins will talk to each other, using whichever communication method they like |
| 19:23.25 | gugu | that being said, there is a "meeting" on 24th |
| 19:23.39 | gevaerts | Most probably private email |
| 19:24.07 | jjs1 | Alright. Thanks for the information :) |
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| 19:24.23 | gevaerts | Ideally there are no duplicates at all left to resolve for the meeting on the 24th |
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| 19:25.41 | gevaerts | But if there are, that meeting will be here, and you're free to be here, but I have no idea if you (or anyone else not speaking for the orgs involved) will be allowed to speak |
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| 19:27.09 | jjs1 | Is a duplicate where one student has been accepted by multiple organisations? |
| 19:27.14 | gevaerts | yes |
| 19:27.24 | gevaerts | Well, would be accepted, technically :) |
| 19:28.24 | jjs1 | Right you are :) |
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| 19:51.14 | Guest46755 | no one commented on my proposal :( |
| 19:51.20 | Guest46755 | m sad |
| 19:51.33 | Guest46755 | is there still a chance? |
| 19:51.44 | Guest46755 | what should I do? |
| 19:52.11 | nurupo | Guest46755: wait till 27th to know either you was accepted or not |
| 19:52.39 | Guest46755 | can smthing be done before 22nd? |
| 19:52.47 | Guest46755 | should I mail them? |
| 19:52.57 | nurupo | + |
| 19:53.06 | meflin | not all comments are view able by students , not all orgs use the comments |
| 19:53.07 | nurupo | sorry, pressed a key accidently |
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| 19:53.27 | Guest46755 | are comments private also? |
| 19:53.57 | nurupo | Guest46755: haven't you discussed your proposal with mentor before? |
| 19:54.21 | Guest46755 | yes i have done and he was impressed also but for 2 weeks he has not contacted me |
| 19:54.36 | Guest46755 | what should i do now? |
| 19:54.40 | nurupo | Guest46755: then just wait and see |
| 19:54.57 | gevaerts | Some organisations don't do comments at all |
| 19:55.20 | gevaerts | As in, they decide everything based on just the proposal |
| 19:55.35 | Guest46755 | they dont give hint also? |
| 19:55.40 | Guest46755 | to the students |
| 19:55.48 | Guest46755 | or ask something more to do |
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| 19:56.26 | gevaerts | They're free to do whatever they like, and various organisations cover basically all options |
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| 19:56.53 | nurupo | Guest46755: some organizations ask to work on a prototype, bugfixes, etc. but it depends on the org. |
| 19:57.10 | Guest46755 | okk |
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| 19:58.51 | nurupo | they try to get as much students as possible to be involved with prototypes and bugfixes, so that more of them would stay working on the project after gsoc is over or even if they won't get accepted. some orgs have, say, only 1 slot, but making 15 students to do prototypes and bugfixes |
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| 20:01.34 | jjs1 | nurupo: Guest46755's prospective organisation hasn't contacted him. Perhaps they do not require those activities, or perhaps they expect students to take the initiative and work on their own. Any ideas? |
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| 20:02.17 | gevaerts | If you want to be sure, ask the organisation, and hope they answer |
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| 20:02.52 | jjs1 | And if they don't answer? :) (Sorry, i'm in the same situation as Guest46755) |
| 20:02.59 | nurupo | jjs1: that's why i said "some organizations" in the beginning |
| 20:03.28 | Guest46755 | I asked them and they replied "did you submit via google melange"..I mean i was shocked |
| 20:03.29 | Guest46755 | :( |
| 20:03.55 | Guest46755 | how to know that they have got our proposals |
| 20:04.13 | jjs1 | nurupo: I understood that part. I'll pipe down now anyway, don't want to take the floor from Guest |
| 20:04.36 | gevaerts | Basically there's one rule for how to know anything about an organisation: ask them |
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| 20:07.25 | dfighter | Guest46755 if you submitted in Melange they got it |
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| 20:08.00 | gevaerts | Well, unless you submitted it to the wrong organisation |
| 20:08.07 | dfighter | ofc |
| 20:08.09 | Guest46755 | then y were they asking that...did they forget to evaluate my proposal |
| 20:08.35 | dfighter | Guest46755 please don't use SMS language, it really makes me want to gouge my own eyes |
| 20:08.51 | meflin | how should I know the random irc nick/ email name ect of every person who submited an app off the top of my head |
| 20:09.02 | dfighter | as for your question, we have no way of knowing what they did |
| 20:09.17 | gevaerts | Unfortunately, the suitcase that had my crystal ball in it was lost when I came back from my last vacation |
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| 20:25.07 | jjs1 | gevaerts: What make and model was your crystal ball? Maybe I can find it on Amazon |
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| 20:25.33 | gevaerts | jjs1: I don't know! It'd been in the family for generations! |
| 20:26.58 | jjs1 | Shoot. I guess I'll have read my tea leaves instead. |
| 20:27.08 | prasoon2211_ | can someone tell me why google doesn't allow orgs to tell applicants whether they are selected or not before 27th? |
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| 20:28.22 | prasoon2211_ | I mean for people not getting selected, it might be good to know that they aren't getting selected beforehand, IMO. |
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| 20:30.11 | aghisla | prasoon2211_: I understand the logic, but there is a little chance that a project that did not get selected in the first round, get the chance to fill a slot that is freed during deduplication. |
| 20:30.42 | aghisla | the waiting time is long from the student's perspective |
| 20:30.54 | aghisla | but I can tell you that mentors and admins are busy until last day. |
| 20:31.15 | prasoon2211_ | Hmm . That sounds fair. |
| 20:31.31 | aghisla | (I think there is a FAQ about this, if you wish to check Google's perspective) |
| 20:31.33 | prasoon2211_ | Thanks for clarifying that. |
| 20:31.52 | aghisla | you're welcome :) |
| 20:32.20 | aghisla | now, time to get some sleep in UTC +1 :) |
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| 20:32.33 | aghisla | bye |
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| 20:34.20 | piyushbansal | !logs |
| 20:34.20 | gsocbot | piyushbansal: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 20:44.49 | jjs1 | Thanks to those who answered my questions/quit |
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| 22:19.37 | barb288 | hey guys, just out of curiosity, every project gets to be commented? Or is it some kind of good sign? |
| 22:19.56 | barb288 | (i'm getting paranoid with the upcoming deadline) |
| 22:20.22 | gevaerts | That depends on the organisation |
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| 22:21.35 | barb288 | hmmm |
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| 22:23.20 | ojwb | barb288: you can't really draw useful conclusions - some orgs just judge proposals as submitted, others spend a lot of effort working with candidates |
| 22:23.45 | ojwb | some do interviews (by irc/chat or phone) |
| 22:25.16 | barb288 | ojwb: My mentor gave some tips about to what add in order to make my proposal better, i've done it, and no further comments |
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| 22:26.18 | ojwb | well, that at least means it wasn't too poor a proposal to pay attention to at all |
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| 22:27.18 | Harold_ | Who is Carol? http://www.quora.com/Google-Summer-of-Code-GSoC/Who-is-Carol |
| 22:27.29 | ojwb | you can always ask if there's anything else you need to attend to, or proactively pick something related to the project to work up a patch for |
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| 22:28.00 | barb288 | ojwb: i guess so, i've sent 2 proposal to him, and he gave his opinion on both... but in the second one he sort of told me to 'give up' the orher oe and focus on this one, that's why i got somehow excited |
| 22:28.25 | Achillion | Bleh. Quora |
| 22:28.33 | ojwb | seems to need a reg |
| 22:28.42 | ojwb | just to read |
| 22:28.43 | barb288 | ojwb: the problem is that my project is my own idea.. |
| 22:28.48 | ojwb | why do sites think that's a good idea? |
| 22:29.07 | jdn | Because they hate users |
| 22:29.18 | Achillion | It's almost as bad as expertsexchange |
| 22:29.36 | gevaerts | I can see the answer in dillo |
| 22:29.37 | ojwb | yeah - at least that seems to have stopped ranking high in web searches |
| 22:29.46 | gevaerts | So they seem to just use javascript to hide it |
| 22:29.47 | ojwb | gevaerts: it shows just the first answer |
| 22:29.51 | gevaerts | Ah |
| 22:29.56 | Achillion | ojwb: Oh good, it has? I blocked it ages ago |
| 22:30.01 | ojwb | with JS there's a click through |
| 22:30.03 | gevaerts | knows who Carol is, so he ignores the thing :) |
| 22:30.10 | Harold_ | Achillion: the name ExpertSexChanGe is a bad idea too |
| 22:30.14 | Achillion | indeed |
| 22:30.17 | Achillion | :) |
| 22:30.28 | ojwb | i suspect that was a deliberate publicity stunt |
| 22:30.48 | Achillion | I hadn't noticed until I saw it on QI :) |
| 22:32.28 | Achillion | But yeah, when google search introduced domain blocking that was the first to go |
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| 22:50.08 | koda | !next |
| 22:50.09 | gsocbot | koda: "next" is May 24 at 07.00 UTC: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor |
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| 22:50.29 | koda | so student announcement is may 24th |
| 22:50.40 | anth_r | no |
| 22:50.44 | anth_r | !timeline |
| 22:50.44 | gsocbot | anth_r: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 |
| 22:53.17 | gary_b_ | 7 days left to find out if we got in :/ |
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| 22:54.01 | ojwb | koda: student announcement is 27th |
| 22:54.18 | koda | oh right there is deduplication first |
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