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| 02:45.58 | workaholic | hi ! please tell me whether I should be in touch with my mentor now because I havnt started work on the project yet |
| 02:46.28 | workaholic | Is it possible for me to make it to the gsoc program this year ? |
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| 02:48.29 | workaholic | someone pls help me |
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| 02:49.00 | workaholic | I don't have xchat installed , so i m talking online |
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| 02:54.31 | dogui | workaholic: I'm in the same boat as you, no contact so far. But work hasn't started yet, you're not supposed to start coding |
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| 02:55.53 | Uli- | good evening |
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| 02:59.11 | ojwb | workaholic: it's not a bad idea to get in touch with your mentor and ask |
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| 03:04.02 | hratsimi1ah | workaholic: have you been submitting patches or fixing bus? From what I've experienced, mentors like to have an idea of whether you'll be able to catch up quickly with the project, and they also like to see your coding abilities before selecting students. |
| 03:04.19 | hratsimi1ah | bugs* |
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| 03:06.29 | workaholic | hratsimi1ah: well i have submitted 2 patches , does that help ? |
| 03:07.23 | workaholic | ojwb: ask about the project details ? |
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| 03:08.50 | ojwb | ask if there's anything in the proposal you could improve, for example |
| 03:09.45 | ojwb | though it's getting a bit late - it's likely most orgs will have sorted through the proposals and have a good idea which they like |
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| 03:10.02 | ojwb | if you've already submitted patches, that's certainly good |
| 03:12.10 | workaholic | ojwb: if i know i'm the only one submitting application for the project and provided i have submitted 2 patches , would u bet for me getting selected ? |
| 03:12.53 | ojwb | hard to say really |
| 03:13.29 | ojwb | could be there's only one mentor interested or able to mentor that, and they're also the only mentor for 6 other project ideas |
| 03:13.45 | ojwb | or the org has a very limited number of slots |
| 03:14.28 | ojwb | doesn't sound bad from the limited info though |
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| 03:16.29 | workaholic | ojwb: okay , i'm not so sure abt this but i'd say that my mentor is most likely not to participate in another project and the org has sufficient slots . does that mea |
| 03:16.59 | workaholic | *does that spell selection for me ? |
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| 03:19.09 | ojwb | sounds promising |
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| 03:26.27 | workaholic | ojwb: i'm a bit worried abt this because i ve invested a lot of time in this and I desparately need to get selected. I know this might be vague to say this because it means a lot to me |
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| 03:27.22 | workaholic | ojwb: what would u recommend to do in while waiting for the results ? |
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| 03:29.58 | ojwb | if you're at a loose end, i'd suggest working on more patches, or the initial part of your project |
| 03:30.21 | ojwb | or if you're still at uni, I'd try to get some work done |
| 03:32.03 | workaholic | ojwb: sorry I didn't get your last statement, could you pls clarrify ? |
| 03:33.30 | workaholic | ojwb: and as one of the responses above by dogui , is it against |
| 03:33.44 | workaholic | the rules to start coding ? |
| 03:36.16 | ojwb | not against the rules |
| 03:37.50 | ojwb | it's pretty common to do some work on the project as part of the application process - it's a good way to show that it's a feasible project |
| 03:38.17 | dogui | (I might have assumed something that was wrong, sorry :) ) |
| 03:38.26 | workaholic | ojwb: so why do some people discourage coding before the coding period ? |
| 03:38.43 | ojwb | i don't know - you'll have to ask them |
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| 03:39.32 | ojwb | it's also pretty common for students with exams or classes in the coding period to start coding in the community bonding period |
| 03:40.54 | workaholic | ojwb: well i have already completed my exams and my summer break has commenced . |
| 03:41.13 | workaholic | so what should i do now ? |
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| 03:42.36 | ojwb | that's better addressed to your potential mentors, but my suggestion is as above - working on more patches, or the initial part of your project |
| 03:43.21 | workaholic | okay thanks ojwb :) |
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| 08:13.56 | Mickey_ | Hi, any1 here? |
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| 08:15.31 | Mickey_ | I have a Q |
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| 08:17.48 | olly_ | !ask | Mickey_ |
| 08:17.50 | gsocbot | Mickey_: "ask" is Don't ask to ask, just ask. Also see !smartquestions. |
| 08:18.03 | Mickey_ | olly_: LOL |
| 08:18.30 | olly_ | don't LOL, just L |
| 08:18.38 | Mickey_ | olly_: wanted 2 apply this year, but guess i'm 2 late? |
| 08:18.50 | olly_ | yes, by quite a bit |
| 08:19.20 | Mickey_ | olly_: i c |
| 08:19.38 | Mickey_ | olly_: but i also found this 1: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/kolibrios/kolibrios-help-us-hold-our-own-summer-of-code-2013 |
| 08:19.53 | Mickey_ | do u know if that stuff is legit???? |
| 08:20.18 | olly_ | people can run projects like gsoc if they want |
| 08:20.34 | olly_ | never heard of kolibrios though |
| 08:20.41 | Mickey_ | olly_: i c. looks like scam 2 me, no? |
| 08:20.53 | Mickey_ | whadda u say? |
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| 08:22.17 | Mickey_ | olly_: u r a mentor or student? |
| 08:22.22 | olly_ | i've never heard of them, but it doesn't sound like a scam particularly |
| 08:22.25 | Mickey_ | or neither? :-) |
| 08:22.27 | olly_ | mentor |
| 08:22.34 | Mickey_ | oh |
| 08:23.08 | Mickey_ | ok ty. maybe i apply 2 them. but they did not get enough money, so chances are low |
| 08:23.15 | Mickey_ | still better than nothing |
| 08:23.18 | Mickey_ | ty again! |
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| 08:38.48 | jojva | !smartquestions |
| 08:38.48 | gsocbot | jojva: "smartquestions" is You're more likely to get a decent reply if you ask questions the smart way, see http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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| 08:43.24 | neverpanic | olly_: I think I've seen somebody from kolibri OS here earlier. You might want to search the logs |
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| 08:49.17 | olly_ | neverpanic: i really don't have any interest in this... |
| 08:49.22 | dfighter | neverpanic me too, and he was talking about that kickstarter fundraiser |
| 08:49.45 | dfighter | so it's definitely NOt a scam |
| 08:49.59 | olly_ | scammers can't join this channel? |
| 08:50.23 | dfighter | olly_ they can obviously |
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| 13:35.11 | gerv | Does anyone know when in the day the dedupe algorithm is being run? |
| 13:35.44 | GorillaWarfare | gerv: The timeline says May 22 is the first round of deduplication checks. |
| 13:35.54 | gerv | I know. Today is the 22nd. |
| 13:36.03 | gerv | I am wondering if anyone knows the _time_. |
| 13:36.21 | gerv | "when in the day", not "when is the day" :-) |
| 13:36.35 | GorillaWarfare | Ohh |
| 13:36.36 | GorillaWarfare | Misread |
| 13:36.39 | GorillaWarfare | Can't help you with that |
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| 13:40.26 | aghisla | checks now |
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| 13:48.09 | olly_ | gerv: i'd guess carols will send a mail when it's been run |
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| 14:15.55 | JordiGH | Is there a quick way to see which proposals have a mentor assigned? |
| 14:16.03 | JordiGH | As a mentor myself, that is. |
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| 14:21.11 | stefanha | JordiGH: I haven't found one. I go to "My Organizations" to see how many slots we've assigned, |
| 14:21.26 | stefanha | then I go through the individual student proposals and hunt down the remaining ones we need to accept :( |
| 14:21.49 | stefanha | Life must be hard for KDE or other orgs with many slots :-) |
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| 14:22.06 | JordiGH | I'm with GNU, but thankfully not an org admin. 32 slots, I think, about 90 proposals. |
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| 14:22.15 | JordiGH | Actually, I have no idea how many slots. |
| 14:22.18 | stefanha | JordiGH: What we ended up doing was making a list of students to accept in an email between all mentors. |
| 14:22.26 | JordiGH | Yeah, that's what we're doing too. |
| 14:22.33 | stefanha | JordiGH: Then I went in and accepted/assigned those proposals |
| 14:22.38 | JordiGH | I suppose I should be glad we're not sending smoke signals. |
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| 14:23.08 | stefanha | If the wrong student gets accepted then it won't be funny :P |
| 14:23.21 | stefanha | So making this part of the workflow a bit smoother would be very very nice. |
| 14:24.23 | JordiGH | There are so many things that could be nicer about Melange. I'm wondering if Google is trying to teach us some lesson about "open source" development by deliberately making Melange crappy and while asking for patches to fix it. |
| 14:24.30 | qgil | Hi, just checking re duplication: if all our candidates selected have a green label "Pending acceptance" then it means that we have no duplicates, rght? |
| 14:24.54 | JordiGH | qgil: I believe so, yes. You can also filter applications by "duplicate". |
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| 14:25.01 | JordiGH | If that's empty, you're good. |
| 14:25.17 | qgil | JordiGH, ah, even simpler. Thanks! |
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| 15:08.07 | stefanha | JordiGH: Found a solution on the gsoc-mentors mailing list. Go to proposals and customize the columns (link is at the bottom). |
| 15:08.20 | stefanha | You can get it to display which proposals are accepted and who the mentor is. |
| 15:08.31 | JordiGH | Oh well, I already worked around this for now. |
| 15:08.40 | JordiGH | Will complain about this next year when I care about this problem again. |
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| 15:09.42 | downey | JordiGH: Did you create an issue describing the annoyance? |
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| 15:10.17 | k-joseph | dkayiwa: hi |
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| 15:31.49 | lasconic | Hi |
| 15:32.01 | GorillaWarfare | Hello |
| 15:32.02 | lasconic | just read on the mailing list |
| 15:32.02 | lasconic | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.08 | lasconic | is that true? |
| 15:32.24 | lasconic | we are a bit late with our last slot |
| 15:32.41 | megha | !next |
| 15:32.42 | gsocbot | megha: "next" is May 24 at 07.00 UTC: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor |
| 15:32.54 | lasconic | yes, it was my impression as well |
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| 15:33.50 | megha | lasconic: :) |
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| 15:40.05 | megha | k-joseph: how did you did that ? |
| 15:40.55 | k-joseph | megha: what exactly!!! |
| 15:42.23 | megha | blank post |
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| 15:44.23 | GorillaWarfare | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.38 | GorillaWarfare | megha: Perhaps a non-breaking space? |
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| 15:58.21 | megha | GorillaWarfare: i am not getting.. |
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| 16:06.55 | GorillaWarfare | megha: Copy and paste what's between these quotation marks: " " |
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| 16:16.07 | *** topic/#gsoc is Google Summer of Code 2013 is on! | Please work with your mentors while they rank the proposals. |
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| 16:17.12 | SunuThePirate | yay!! |
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| 16:24.07 | megha | i got it :D |
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| 16:39.35 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
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| 16:44.00 | carols | thanks aghisla |
| 16:44.12 | aghisla | you're welcome! |
| 16:44.18 | aghisla | I'll take a cup of tea. |
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| 16:48.03 | carols | i'm having coffee myself :-) |
| 16:48.07 | carols | it's one of those kinds of days |
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| 16:53.18 | wooo | hey guys, It is given on home page that 1 day, 14 hours remaining from Proposal Matched Deadline. What will happen in remaining 3 days before declaring result? |
| 16:54.10 | Uli- | sfb: pong |
| 16:54.19 | carols | wooo: the IRC meeting. |
| 16:54.44 | jojva | wooo, i think the last de-duplication, making sure everything is ok before official announcement |
| 16:55.27 | wooo | carols, They will do IRC meeting with whom? students and mentors? |
| 16:55.38 | carols | wooo: mentors. |
| 16:56.30 | Uli- | sfb: my conenction is crappy, is there anything important that we didn't address in our email exchange? |
| 16:57.12 | wooo | carols, what will they decide in that meeting? Is the final result is not decided by mentors till yet? |
| 16:57.28 | carols | wooo: they'll decide which duplicated students go to which org. |
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| 16:59.14 | wooo | carols: ok, Thanx. |
| 16:59.22 | wooo | :) |
| 16:59.27 | carols | yw |
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| 17:00.49 | pratnala | !next |
| 17:00.50 | gsocbot | pratnala: "next" is May 24 at 07.00 UTC: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor |
| 17:01.48 | Uli- | i like the de-duplication irc meeting. has a nice bazaar flair ;) |
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| 17:03.24 | wooo | Uli-: Is the meeting held here in #gsoc channel only or this is done seprately so students can't see it ? |
| 17:03.35 | carols | wooo: students can watch, but they can't comment. |
| 17:04.15 | dogui | carols: Is it discussed on this IRC channel? |
| 17:04.24 | carols | dogui: yes |
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| 17:05.10 | dogui | ok, thanks ! |
| 17:05.14 | carols | yw |
| 17:05.21 | kblin | phew, a full day of interviews sure is intense |
| 17:05.27 | kblin | flops on the couch |
| 17:05.40 | carols | have some tea, kblin :-) |
| 17:05.49 | scorche|sh | i hate conducting lunch interviews - i always feel bad for the candidate |
| 17:05.59 | scorche|sh | they do most of the talking, so they dont typically get to eat much... |
| 17:07.29 | pratnala | when is the de-duplication meet? |
| 17:07.46 | carols | pratnala: friday |
| 17:07.55 | pratnala | time? |
| 17:08.05 | gevaerts | !timeline | pratnala |
| 17:08.06 | gsocbot | pratnala: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 |
| 17:08.32 | pratnala | curses timezons |
| 17:08.39 | pratnala | timezones* |
| 17:08.39 | kblin | hm, food was decent :) |
| 17:10.00 | pratnala | food? where? |
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| 17:11.50 | kblin | now if only thew internet on this train was better than tcp/carrier pidgeon |
| 17:12.39 | aghisla | kblin: in my place, there is no internet on trains :) |
| 17:13.04 | pratnala | same here |
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| 17:13.30 | sfb | Uli-: Nope, just that. Thanks for coordinating. |
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| 17:14.16 | wooo | carols: How all the mentors of so many organisations will do discussion here. Will it not be hectic ? |
| 17:14.18 | kblin | and carrier pidgeon is not a good carrier for high speed train signals |
| 17:14.30 | downey | tea |
| 17:14.38 | kblin | wooo: we use mute a lot |
| 17:14.49 | pratnala | u can mute certain people? |
| 17:14.58 | carols | wooo: we do them one at a time. |
| 17:15.03 | pratnala | thats something i didn't know! |
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| 17:15.09 | kblin | yeah |
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| 17:15.25 | downey | wooo: Everyone changes their nick to include their org name, so carols knows who to give voice privileges to. |
| 17:15.26 | kblin | but we usuall mute the channel and voice the people who get to talk |
| 17:15.27 | gevaerts | Also, most duplicates should be resolved long before then |
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| 17:15.40 | wooo | kblin: what does mute certain people mean? |
| 17:15.42 | carols | wooo: and besides, by friday there will probably only be 3-4 students in a duplicate situation. so it's not a big deal. |
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| 17:15.58 | pratnala | ahh |
| 17:16.27 | pratnala | my mentor ain't telling me whether i am in or not :( |
| 17:16.36 | carols | pratnala: they're prohibited from doing so. |
| 17:16.37 | pratnala | it is becoming jittery to wait till the 27th! |
| 17:16.41 | carols | so that makes sense. |
| 17:16.44 | downey | pratnala: here, have some tea |
| 17:17.04 | pratnala | but i see on the mailing list some students saying that mentor has almost confirmed blah blah |
| 17:17.11 | pratnala | thanks downey |
| 17:17.42 | pratnala | and i didn't get any feedback either |
| 17:17.58 | carols | pratnala: it doesn't mean anything at all. just have some patience. |
| 17:18.36 | pratnala | yeah . just that it is my first gsoc and really excited |
| 17:19.12 | kblin | worst ping at 86 seconds, impressive |
| 17:19.31 | GorillaWarfare | kblin: I'm amazed you're still connected |
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| 17:21.42 | jgsmith | carols: are there suggestions on figuring out which org should keep a student and which should let them go without involving the student in the conversation? this is my first time, so I'm looking for some hints on how to evaluate the possible outcomes |
| 17:22.07 | carols | jgsmith: we assume if the student applied to both he/she is happy to work for either. |
| 17:22.13 | carols | so talk it over with the other org. |
| 17:22.25 | carols | see who has more slots and how many other students they're accepting. |
| 17:22.30 | carols | see who needs the development work more. |
| 17:22.40 | carols | see who's more willing to give the student up. |
| 17:22.41 | carols | etc. |
| 17:22.52 | jgsmith | carols: cool — we've got email flowing, so we're starting the process — thanks! |
| 17:22.56 | carols | yw |
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| 17:24.59 | wooo | carols: can we atleast know now how much slots google allocated for our organisation? |
| 17:25.08 | carols | wooo: sure, you're welcome to ask them. |
| 17:25.17 | carols | and then it's their choice if they tell you. |
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| 17:29.23 | downey | carols: Just to confirm, after orgs resolve duplicates, the duplicate flag isn't removed until you re-run the check, correct? |
| 17:29.32 | downey | (Yikes, that's poor English.) |
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| 17:29.43 | carols | downey: correct, but it re-runs automatically, so it should disappear in an hour or so |
| 17:29.50 | downey | carols: Oh great. Thanks. |
| 17:29.52 | carols | yw |
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| 17:43.10 | kblin | yay, no dups for now |
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| 17:48.38 | span | heh |
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| 18:17.23 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
| 18:17.52 | SunuThePirate | shares some chocolate milk ;-) |
| 18:18.02 | carols | thanks SunuThePirate :-) |
| 18:18.20 | SunuThePirate | :-D |
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| 18:54.55 | SunuThePirate | carols: What's the deadline for deciding which org to go for? I mean for dedup? |
| 18:55.09 | carols | SunuThePirate: which org to go for? you mean, you're a student? |
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| 18:55.51 | SunuThePirate | yep. |
| 18:56.13 | carols | SunuThePirate: you don't have a deadline to choose, the orgs will decide. |
| 18:56.25 | carols | if you applied to multiple orgs we assume you're willing to work for any of them. |
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| 18:57.12 | SunuThePirate | carols: ok. let me rephrase. What's the time of the dedup meeting? |
| 18:57.34 | carols | SunuThePirate: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 may 24 at 19:00 utc |
| 18:58.00 | xordm | Can the project end before GSOC ends? |
| 18:58.16 | carols | xordm: under normal circumstances, no. |
| 18:59.07 | xordm | Are the students under obligation to continue even if they have developed all the deliverables? |
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| 18:59.34 | carols | xordm: no, so long as that's discussed with the org. |
| 18:59.53 | carols | and i surely hope orgs aren't giving student projects that take shorter than the timeline of gsoc to complete :-) |
| 19:00.18 | SunuThePirate | carols: ok. thanks :) |
| 19:00.24 | carols | yw |
| 19:00.52 | xordm | of course. but you never know how fast some people can code. |
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| 19:02.06 | gevaerts | xordm: but how fast can they test, debug and document? |
| 19:02.45 | carols | and be involved with the community :-) |
| 19:02.51 | gevaerts | Normally if a project takes less time than expected, the organisation and the student work on revised more ambitious goals |
| 19:03.28 | gevaerts | If the project just ends earlier because the student worked more hours or started before the official starting date to accomodate for scheduling issues, that's different of course |
| 19:04.56 | xordm | Thats exactly the scenario here. I'd be submitting my work regardless of whether i get selected. Actually I have some professional commitments beyond August. |
| 19:05.31 | gevaerts | Of course, that all assumes that this was properly arranged with the organisation |
| 19:05.34 | xordm | So just wanted to know if I can take a leave for that |
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| 19:06.16 | xordm | gevaerts: no doubt |
| 19:06.46 | gevaerts | As long as everyone involved is reasonable, gsoc has been very flexible in the past |
| 19:07.16 | gevaerts | i.e. don't try to abuse the system, and you'll be fine :) |
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| 19:09.36 | xordm | gevaerts: gsoc would be my top priority if selected. just wanted to know whether I have the option to finish work early so that I can keep another commitment |
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| 20:48.41 | Uli- | weird. within-org-duplicates are not shown as duplicates. |
| 20:48.49 | Uli- | not anymore |
| 20:48.57 | Uli- | it used to show as a duplicate this morning |
| 20:52.42 | Uli- | btw, anyone at ICSE? |
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| 21:37.46 | gsocbot | perepujal: "next" is May 24 at 07.00 UTC: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor |
| 21:41.03 | Guest91573 | !when |
| 21:41.03 | gsocbot | Guest91573: "when" is later |
| 21:41.28 | Guest91573 | !which |
| 21:41.32 | Guest91573 | !why |
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| 21:48.48 | qgil | Hi, two orgs want one student. It would be common sense to simply ask the student, but this has a risk of conflict with the principle of not disclosing any elegibility info to students. |
| 21:48.49 | dogui | Question: If I applied to just 1 project, then by friday it should be decided wether I'm accepted or not, right? |
| 21:48.58 | qgil | is this still ok asking "In the case of..." |
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| 21:49.36 | sdumitriu1 | qgil: Yes, you should ask the student |
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| 21:49.49 | sdumitriu1 | But not by saying "we both accepted you" |
| 21:49.56 | gevaerts | dogui: there's the theory of relativity that gets in the way with its observability things |
| 21:50.09 | qgil | thanks sdumitriu1 - are you involved in the program, an org admin or...? |
| 21:50.42 | sdumitriu1 | qgil: Admin |
| 21:51.09 | qgil | sdumitriu1, thank you. Org admin here as well, but never in this situation before. |
| 21:51.20 | sdumitriu1 | Something along the lines of "we see that you applied for both X and Y, and you're among the top ranking proposals for both organizations. In case you're selected we'd like to see if you have a preference between the two." |
| 21:51.25 | gevaerts | I don't know, but I did get the impression this year that asking isn't as well looked on as it was in previous years |
| 21:51.30 | dogui | gevaerts: You mean I won't know anyway? :) |
| 21:51.31 | gevaerts | I can easily be wrong though |
| 21:51.40 | gevaerts | dogui: basically, yes :) |
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| 21:51.49 | dogui | gevaerts: Fair enough, thanks! |
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| 21:51.59 | sdumitriu1 | qgil: WikiMedia? |
| 21:52.04 | qgil | sdumitriu1, yes :) |
| 21:52.36 | sdumitriu1 | You've been lucky not to have had a conflict before... |
| 21:52.44 | qgil | sdumitriu1, you wrote that well. I'll copy and fine tune. Thanks! |
| 21:52.44 | sdumitriu1 | It happens almost every year for me |
| 21:53.18 | gevaerts | I think I'd talk to the other org first though |
| 21:53.25 | qgil | sdumitriu1, it's my first year as Wikimedia org admin, I believe Sumana found some in previous years |
| 21:53.43 | qgil | gevaerts, yes, we have talked already and both agree that it's a draw. |
| 21:54.03 | gevaerts | Rock, paper, scissors? ;) |
| 21:54.03 | qgil | gevaerts, both also agree about contacting the student, but I wanted to check here first since the docs are unclear |
| 21:54.30 | qgil | Rock, paper scissors on IRC should be fine too. ;) |
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| 21:59.20 | Karlik | qgil: each contact with student corresponded to proposals will sugest: "you will be probably accepted by one of orgs" |
| 21:59.29 | Karlik | ;] |
| 22:00.06 | qgil | mmm |
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| 22:04.17 | hannibal_11 | hi ! my mentor says that slots for the project that he is mentoring seem a bit tight , can anyone please let me know what this means exactly ? |
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| 22:04.54 | valorie | hannibal_11: it means s/he can't tell you whether or not you have made it in |
| 22:05.22 | valorie | Google will announce, and no students are allowed to know until the announcement |
| 22:05.35 | valorie | slots are always tight |
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| 22:07.01 | hannibal_11 | valorie, but what do tight slots mean in this context ? i'm still not clear abt this |
| 22:07.37 | valorie | almost all projects have more good students and proposals than they can accept |
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| 22:08.35 | valorie | the google admins give out a certain number of slots to each org |
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| 22:08.56 | valorie | then each org tries to fit all their good students/proposals into those slots |
| 22:09.06 | valorie | it's almost always a very tight fit |
| 22:10.14 | valorie | so your proposed mentor is trying to tell you: 1. that if your proposal is accepted, they think very highly of you, and 2. if they cannot accept you, that doesn't mean they didn't want to |
| 22:10.32 | valorie | and 3. that s/he can't tell you more than that right now |
| 22:11.48 | hannibal_11 | valorie, okay. but would my mentor herself know whether i'm selected or not ? |
| 22:12.06 | valorie | not absolutely |
| 22:12.16 | valorie | deduplication isn't done |
| 22:12.41 | hannibal_11 | provided I applied for only one org ? |
| 22:12.52 | gevaerts | Even then |
| 22:13.07 | valorie | however, even students who proposed completely inappropriate projects can't be told they won't be accepted |
| 22:13.42 | gevaerts | Suppose e.g. you were *just* not selected, but during deduplication the org loses another student. That could get you in at the last moment |
| 22:14.01 | valorie | indeed |
| 22:14.18 | valorie | kudos to you for applying to one org |
| 22:14.49 | hannibal_11 | okay so supposing I'm selected for now , does that mean I might even get rejected after de-duping ? |
| 22:14.54 | valorie | I know in KDE we love it when we see students becoming part of the community |
| 22:15.05 | valorie | hannibal_11: no one knows for sure |
| 22:15.09 | hannibal_11 | given I apply to only 1 org |
| 22:15.17 | valorie | the process must continue until it's done |
| 22:15.22 | gevaerts | Well, given that you can't know if you're selected, that's a meaningless question |
| 22:15.32 | valorie | there is no GSoC all-knowing god |
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| 22:15.50 | valorie | none of us knows anything for sure |
| 22:16.14 | gevaerts | is now unsure if relativity or Schrödinger's cat would be the right analogy |
| 22:16.24 | valorie | and we're not allowed to share our suspicions |
| 22:16.27 | valorie | :-) |
| 22:16.51 | swook | gevaerts: I don't know how either would be |
| 22:17.05 | valorie | gevaerts: more like Inspector Clouseau |
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| 22:17.34 | valorie | hannibal_11: patience |
| 22:17.48 | swook | or maybe a Christmas present |
| 22:17.58 | swook | there's will acting on the contents, both ways |
| 22:18.04 | gevaerts | swook: actually, on second thoughts, relativity applies for whether you were accepted or rejected on, say, Friday |
| 22:18.05 | swook | but neither can reveal the contents |
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| 22:18.39 | swook | but what changes relative to what? |
| 22:19.01 | hannibal_11 | gevaerts, why friday ? |
| 22:19.08 | valorie | Everything Changes |
| 22:19.14 | gevaerts | hannibal_11: just an example that came up earlier today |
| 22:19.28 | hannibal_11 | okay |
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| 22:21.50 | gevaerts | swook: The bit that applies is the example of "what time is it three lightyears from here?". You can't know with a precision of more than a few years, due to the time the information needs to reach you. In gsoc of course, speed of light isn't the issue, but you know you weren't accepted on April 22nd, and you know you were accepted or not on May 27th. You *can't* get more precise than that |
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| 22:23.54 | gevaerts | Remember that it's only meant as an *analogy* though :) |
| 22:24.23 | swook | gevaerts: but the low precision of that question would be due to lack of knowledge and that only, and even then I still don't know where relativistic effects like time dilation are coming into play! |
| 22:24.28 | swook | but yeah, nevermind |
| 22:24.44 | gevaerts | swook: relativity is much more than those effects! |
| 22:26.06 | gevaerts | is not a mathematician though, so while he can make bad analogies about relativity, he can't be expected to explain it all :) |
| 22:26.31 | ehershey | hah |
| 22:29.48 | hannibal_11 | gevaerts, valorie , speaking of slots if an org had 5 slots for the previous year , is it possble for the same org to receive 3 or more slots this year too ? |
| 22:30.18 | gevaerts | Could be, yes |
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| 22:32.31 | hannibal_11 | well the project I'm working on is an extension/usage of the work the org is doing. so if there was a project on the same extension last year , are there chances of the project not making it through this year ? |
| 22:33.14 | gevaerts | That's impossible to say as an outsider |
| 22:33.38 | Guest91573 | haanibal_11 calma .. it's not the end of the world |
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| 22:34.00 | Guest91573 | hannibal_11 |
| 22:34.12 | gevaerts | I've seen gsoc projects for the same thing two years in a row when the first one didn't work out as well as hoped |
| 22:35.19 | gevaerts | But I've also seen gsoc projects that didn't work out as well as hoped that raised the bar due to people realising they were harder than first thought |
| 22:36.32 | Triskelios | usually a postmortem by the mentors is involved, so they can appropriately prepare anyone taking on the project again |
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| 22:41.55 | valorie | afaik, google takes into account the past performance of the org, but that isn't as fine-grained as specific projects |
| 22:42.12 | valorie | the orgs themselves are in charge of the projects they accept or not |
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| 22:42.45 | valorie | I doubt the admins would even have time to advise on those, much less decide based on them |
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