| 00:00.39 | migurski | Is there anyone here who can help me be a mentor? My organization would like to mentor a GSOC student, but I don't understand how to go through that process. |
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| 00:03.44 | ojwb | migurski: go to the org's page in melange, and click the orange button |
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| 00:05.26 | migurski | ojwb, thank you—looking now |
| 00:08.02 | migurski | I think that worked |
| 00:08.17 | migurski | "Data saved successfully," also OMFG srsly? http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=903#c16 |
| 00:10.29 | ojwb | migurski: shipping companies are incapable of dealing with such input apparently |
| 00:10.40 | migurski | crazy. |
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| 00:10.49 | migurski | so I “connected” with the organization, what happens next? |
| 00:11.45 | ojwb | an org admin for that org needs to approve it |
| 00:11.57 | ojwb | (or reject it) |
| 00:12.30 | ojwb | they should get an email notifying them about it |
| 00:13.26 | migurski | great, thank you |
| 00:14.04 | ojwb | it does seem surprising that shipping companies are so backward - you'd think they'd be forced to confront the international variation in alphabets, etc |
| 00:14.54 | ojwb | there's a great shipping label image I saw recently that had clearly been through several layers of misconversion between character sets and HTML escaping |
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| 00:25.35 | Uli- | that's more of a consultancy problem. i don't think any shipping company wrote their computer systems themselves. |
| 00:25.44 | Uli- | so blame accenture ;) |
| 00:26.37 | ojwb | ironically named... |
| 00:26.41 | migurski | ojwb you mean this one I imagine http://new-aesthetic.tumblr.com/post/50344100576/an-ode-to-the-journey-of-o-on-a-shipping-label |
| 00:26.58 | ojwb | migurski: yes |
| 00:27.59 | ojwb | i guess it's easier for them to just push dumb restrictions onto their customers than get their systems fixed |
| 00:28.28 | Uli- | rewriting a fortran system just to support utf-8? |
| 00:29.38 | migurski | gonna log off, thanks ojwb for the hints |
| 00:29.39 | ojwb | utf-8 isn't required for a '/' character, which is one of the characters not allowed |
| 00:29.56 | ojwb | and commonly used in NZ addresses when a section has been subdivided |
| 00:30.16 | ojwb | but anyway, from a gsoc perspective, it means you need to do your best to represent your address within the limitations imposed |
| 00:30.26 | Uli- | it's odd, i agree |
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| 00:32.18 | Uli- | luckily, if you abstain from some peculiarities in german, such as ßäöü and such, you can do quite well with those restrictions. |
| 00:34.07 | ojwb | just hope you don't live on a Straße, eh? |
| 00:34.14 | ojwb | (yes, i know you can write ss instead) |
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| 01:01.55 | Uli- | or abbreviate |
| 01:01.57 | Uli- | Str. |
| 01:02.07 | Uli- | actually that's what german post prefers anyway |
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| 01:06.07 | ojwb | Uli-: shame '.' is one of the invalid characters... |
| 01:06.49 | Uli- | heh. |
| 01:07.05 | Uli- | omitting it works too |
| 01:07.12 | ojwb | sure |
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| 01:09.10 | sdumitriu | Is there any org that still needs a slot? |
| 01:10.03 | Uli- | ther always is. |
| 01:10.05 | Uli- | there |
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| 02:33.16 | holau | hey people ! i'd like to knw how to respond to my mentor who says that the project which I'm working on may not get a slot :-/ someone , i need help here , appreciated :-) |
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| 02:37.16 | holau | I'd be grateful for any kind of assistance here , i'm a bit worried abt this coz i've worked hard for this project :-/ |
| 02:37.50 | ojwb | nothing is certain until 27th |
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| 02:38.35 | holau | ojwb, would the mentor knw if i were to ask him |
| 02:38.37 | holau | ? |
| 02:38.59 | ojwb | google ask us not to discuss such things with students |
| 02:39.58 | ojwb | so the response may just be him or her trying to avoid discussing it |
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| 02:40.56 | holau | ojwb, so should i stay positive for selection until results ? |
| 02:41.09 | holau | and do nothing else ? |
| 02:41.37 | ojwb | i'd certainly recommend not pestering mentors for answers they are asked not to give |
| 02:43.14 | valorie | holau: deduplication isn't over, so your mentor will not know for sure |
| 02:43.20 | valorie | and is forbidden to say |
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| 02:47.46 | holau | okay so i guess the mentor saying the project may not get a slot would imply something because he does not have a justified reason for talking pessimism ? |
| 02:49.31 | holau | might be his way of saying it dosen't look too good for me , is it ? :-/ |
| 02:49.40 | valorie | I can repeat myself, but you can just re-read instead |
| 02:49.46 | valorie | no one knows |
| 02:50.09 | valorie | he is forbidden to tell you yay or nay |
| 02:51.57 | ojwb | it is currently (trivially) true to say that any project might not get a slot |
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| 02:52.41 | valorie | sure |
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| 02:57.03 | holau | so should i simply wait till 27th ? doing what till then ? |
| 02:57.40 | valorie | well, hopefully you are becoming part of the team you want to work with |
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| 02:57.53 | valorie | we like to see people working on bugs, etc. |
| 02:58.21 | valorie | we all understand that it's difficult to wait |
| 02:58.28 | valorie | but that is all you can do |
| 02:59.01 | holau | valorie, okay but this project is kind of new and it does not have bugs reported , in that case waiting is the only option u suggest ? |
| 02:59.43 | valorie | holau: do you plan to stick with this project long-term? |
| 02:59.57 | holau | sure , i'd love to |
| 03:00.27 | valorie | then I suggest looking around and seeing what they need done, and start doing some of that |
| 03:00.43 | valorie | I'm an admin for KDE, and that is what we look for |
| 03:01.22 | valorie | I can't speak for other projects, but we aren't looking for code dumps, we're looking for students who are becoming part of our community |
| 03:01.54 | valorie | new projects are awesome, since you can have such a profound influence |
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| 03:03.05 | valorie | other things you can do: get aquainted with their infrastructure |
| 03:03.27 | valorie | thoroughly learn their CVS system, how to best search list archives, etc. |
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| 07:05.48 | megha | should the applications might be finalized by now ? |
| 07:05.53 | megha | !next |
| 07:05.54 | gsocbot | megha: "next" is May 24 at 07.00 UTC: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor |
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| 07:07.19 | j4nu5 | !next |
| 07:07.20 | gsocbot | j4nu5: "next" is May 24 at 07.00 UTC: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor |
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| 07:07.50 | valorie | megha: depends on what you mean by "proposals finalized" |
| 07:08.40 | megha | valorie: means it might have got decided now. which are the projects that will be there |
| 07:09.01 | valorie | no, deduplication is happening now |
| 07:09.15 | valorie | and no announcement has been made yet |
| 07:09.19 | valorie | !patience |
| 07:09.19 | gsocbot | valorie: "patience" is very important for GSoC/GCI. Relax and go code something useful. |
| 07:09.25 | valorie | heh |
| 07:09.47 | valorie | your mentors can tell you nothing until Google announces |
| 07:11.22 | megha | runs to GNOME to do something useful |
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| 07:12.32 | gsocbot | chetna: "countdown" is http://goo.gl/ocEn4 |
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| 07:20.29 | gsocbot | akif500: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 08:32.15 | fewcha | Hi all, what is actually meant by deduplication? |
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| 08:50.18 | jjs1 | fewcha: AFAIK A duplicate is a participating student who's proposals would be accepted by multiple organisations. And 'deduplication' is a process of negotiation between the organisations to decide who 'gets' the student. |
| 08:50.52 | jjs1 | (but my word isn't official-- I'm just a student) |
| 08:51.12 | fewcha | jjs1: well, thanks for that anyways :) |
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| 08:53.50 | jjs1 | You're welcome. I'm pretty sure that's accurate. :-) |
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| 09:12.31 | holau | hi ! today my mentor said he'll get back to me once the gsoc results are announced. I am really interested in working on the project even if i don't get selected , is there any way by which i can earn some incentives by doing the project outside of gsoc ? |
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| 09:14.45 | holau | pls can someone clarrify my above query ? |
| 09:14.55 | holau | thanks in advance :) |
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| 10:23.50 | nerdap | will students be informed of their selected on the 24th or on the 27th? |
| 10:23.56 | nerdap | *selection |
| 10:23.59 | olly_ | 27th |
| 10:24.35 | nerdap | then what happens on the 27th? |
| 10:24.41 | nerdap | 24..sorry |
| 10:25.05 | olly_ | whatever the timeline says |
| 10:25.17 | nerdap | it says 'Student acceptance choice deadline' |
| 10:25.55 | olly_ | nerdap: it says a lot more than that |
| 10:26.33 | nerdap | olly_: it does indeed..but it also says that.. I'm asking you what that line means.. |
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| 10:27.22 | olly_ | it means orgs need to have marked the students they want to accept for duplicate resolution purposes |
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| 10:27.41 | olly_ | but that's not the final answer |
| 10:27.53 | olly_ | if you' |
| 10:28.04 | olly_ | re a student, it's irrelevant really |
| 10:28.14 | olly_ | just an implementation detail |
| 10:28.24 | nerdap | alright..thank you.. |
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| 10:34.00 | kai | nerdap: you know how your application went once you get an email from google |
| 10:34.11 | kai | no use to stress out about the timeline before that :) |
| 10:34.42 | nerdap | well I'm a bit eager to know the results, that's all :) |
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| 10:49.41 | kai | !when | nerdap |
| 10:49.41 | gsocbot | nerdap: "when" is later |
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| 10:51.18 | laurion | !next |
| 10:51.20 | gsocbot | laurion: "next" is May 24 at 07.00 UTC: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor |
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| 12:06.40 | Guest20581 | Hello guys! I was wondering if anyone from KIIT is present here |
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| 12:15.42 | workaholic | hi ! any way to knw the results before 27th ? I'm very curious :/ |
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| 12:17.49 | ManojKumar | workaholic: I guess we just have to wait |
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| 12:18.48 | workaholic | ManojKumar: are you mentoring or applying as a student ? |
| 12:19.03 | ManojKumar | student, you? |
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| 12:19.42 | workaholic | me too |
| 12:20.01 | ManojKumar | all the best! |
| 12:20.24 | workaholic | all the best to u too :-) mind if i ask the org you're applying to ? |
| 12:21.12 | ManojKumar | No, SymPy, you? |
| 12:21.25 | workaholic | i'm applying to KDE |
| 12:22.12 | ManojKumar | cool |
| 12:22.33 | workaholic | hope u get selected :) an me too :) |
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| 12:22.53 | ManojKumar | :) , hope is good :) |
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| 12:28.33 | gary_b_ | 4 days until results |
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| 12:29.22 | gary_b_ | think i almost preferred last year when i thought i had very little chance of getting in |
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| 12:31.02 | sdumitriu | The secret to happiness is low expectations... |
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| 13:30.37 | Amr-Fahmy | hii |
| 13:31.04 | Amr-Fahmy | I need to know if the mentors can accept any application before the deadline or not |
| 13:31.06 | Amr-Fahmy | ?? |
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| 13:31.46 | gevaerts | Amr-Fahmy: organisations are not allowed to tell students if they're accepted or rejected before the 27th |
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| 13:32.35 | Amr-Fahmy | Ok Thanks |
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| 14:14.52 | Guest98035 | hi ! what does the term student choice acceptance mean ? |
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| 14:21.17 | kai | Guest98035: context? |
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| 14:25.07 | nerdap | kai: it's given in the timeline |
| 14:25.35 | Guest98035 | kai: I'm referring to the event on the gsoc timeline on 24th which says "Student Choice acceptance deadline" |
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| 14:26.29 | Guest98035 | what does the term exactly mean ? |
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| 14:31.27 | kai | it means that at that point, the orgs need to have decided on their slot allocations to students |
| 14:32.00 | lasconic | hi there |
| 14:32.14 | lasconic | any experience with mentoring two students? |
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| 14:32.37 | lasconic | is that possible/manageable? |
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| 14:33.28 | gevaerts | lasconic: it's not recommended in general, but it will depend on how much time you have |
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| 14:34.27 | gevaerts | I believe the time needed per student is generally estimated at about five hours per week, but it can vary wildly. If you end up with two students who both need 10 hours per week, you'll probably be in trouble |
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| 14:35.21 | gevaerts | If on the other hand they both need much less, it's probably easily doable. The problem is that right now, you don't know which it is |
| 14:35.30 | kai | lasconic: so I've had great low-maintenance students where I could have easily taken on a second person, but I've also had high-maintenance students |
| 14:35.49 | kai | but as gevaerts said, no easy way to tell what you'll get before starting |
| 14:36.17 | gevaerts | If of course you |
| 14:36.22 | lasconic | ok, the best proposals are for topics only one mentor masters |
| 14:36.29 | gevaerts | re retired and you're bored all day, go ahead :) |
| 14:36.48 | lasconic | but I guess mentorship is only 20 technical |
| 14:36.55 | lasconic | 20% |
| 14:37.10 | lasconic | so I will go around other mentors |
| 14:37.13 | |Kev| | Normal case is about an hour a day, up to two hours a day. So that's 4 hours/day for two students that you have to be able to cover. |
| 14:37.16 | hratsimi1ah | doesn't a very clear and specific proposal somewhat imply that the student shouldn't require too much mentoring time? |
| 14:37.21 | hratsimi1ah | implies* |
| 14:37.26 | |Kev| | hratsimi1ah: Not really. |
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| 14:37.51 | kai | hratsimi1ah: no, it just implies that the student was able to write a very clear and specific proposal |
| 14:38.30 | hratsimi1ah | Well thank you, kai. |
| 14:38.53 | newbie_1 | hate to post the question again but what does the student choice acceptance deadline mean ? |
| 14:39.34 | kai | it means that at that point, the orgs need to have decided on their slot allocations to students |
| 14:39.44 | kai | yay for readline :) |
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| 14:41.32 | newbie_1 | kai: so as i understand this , the mentors might know by 24th whom they wud be mentoring ? |
| 14:41.49 | Karlik | hmmm... soon before student's proposals deadline (21 May) I've been asked about change task but I didn't be enough rapid, is it possible to edit proposal at now or even later? |
| 14:42.05 | |Kev| | Karlik: You can edit it if the org wants you to. |
| 14:42.34 | kai | possibly, but they're also not allowed to tell anything until google sends out the notifications |
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| 14:42.54 | lasconic | !next |
| 14:42.55 | gsocbot | lasconic: "next" is May 24 at 07.00 UTC: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor |
| 14:43.00 | gevaerts | newbie_1: they'll have a fairly good idea, but they won't be 100% sure. That's not very relevant though, given that nothing will be said before the 27th |
| 14:43.05 | lasconic | is that 7am or pm ? |
| 14:43.28 | kai | !timeline | lasconic |
| 14:43.28 | gsocbot | lasconic: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 |
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| 14:43.42 | gevaerts | lasconic: neither, it's a proper 24 hour notation :) |
| 14:43.43 | newbie_1 | kai: so asking them would not be a good idea ? |
| 14:43.47 | Karlik | kai: I understand they can't tell me anything but I've wanted to edit my proposal and it's impossible right now :/ |
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| 14:44.04 | kai | newbie_1: well, not if you expect an answer |
| 14:44.28 | lasconic | gevaerts: even better |
| 14:44.29 | kai | Karlik: sorry, my reply was directed at newbie_1. Your mentors need to allow you to edit your proposal |
| 14:44.35 | lasconic | thanks |
| 14:44.39 | kai | Karlik: there's a button on melange for that |
| 14:44.54 | Karlik | ok, thanks ;] |
| 14:44.57 | JakeDust | I don't think changing a proposal *now* isbe useful, though |
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| 14:45.25 | JakeDust | IIRC, if you get accepted you can edit the public text freely later. |
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| 14:46.00 | kai | arguably, it's a tad on the late side now |
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| 14:47.21 | Karlik | JakeDust: ok, the question was about it, it doesn't matter if I can change it now or later but the proposal is like draft at now (more informations is in comments than proposal) so it would be nice to fixed it ;] |
| 14:48.09 | JakeDust | Karlik: I understand, my proposal this year is also a bit like this, especially since my org didn't allow edits at all after the final submission date |
| 14:48.23 | newbie_1 | Karlik: i even have the same situation , would it be advisable to edit the proposal now if comments contain a lot of info ? |
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| 14:48.37 | |Kev| | You can only edit your proposals if your orgs ask ou to. |
| 14:48.39 | |Kev| | +y |
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| 14:48.57 | |Kev| | What is advisable at this stage is doing whatever the orgs ask. |
| 14:49.25 | gevaerts | Unless they ask to send them money :) |
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| 14:50.09 | newbie_1 | |Kev|: well i only have contact with my mentor only and not the org as a whole , is that normal ? |
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| 14:51.00 | JakeDust | gevaerts: that's ok, my org is financed by a Nigerian prince, and they just wanted me to send a small amount of money through an untraceable Western Union transfer ;) |
| 14:52.14 | newbie_1 | Karlik: What opinion do you have of editing the proposal ? |
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| 14:53.41 | Karlik | newbie_1: what do you mean? |
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| 14:55.02 | newbie_1 | Karlik: provided the situation you are in , would you ask ur org to allow u to edit ur proposal ? |
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| 14:57.52 | Karlik | newbie_1: no, I think it is possible to edit it later, most of the info should be already in proposal and/or comments so it isn't necessary |
| 15:00.29 | abhijangda | Karlik newbie_1: have you made your proposal public? |
| 15:00.49 | Karlik | I think mentors have a lot of work to choose/deduplicate students so probably editing proposal doesn't matter at now. "Alea iacta est" |
| 15:00.58 | Karlik | abhijangda: no, why? |
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| 15:04.58 | hacklu | hi all. |
| 15:05.06 | JakeDust | hello |
| 15:05.29 | hacklu | who knows the where to see the result of the application? |
| 15:05.32 | hacklu | hi JakeDust |
| 15:05.50 | Karlik | hacklu: you will get email ;] |
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| 15:06.34 | hacklu | Karlik: when ? if i haven't got an email means I have failed? |
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| 15:06.52 | gevaerts | hacklu: the 27th, as specified in the timeline |
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| 15:07.15 | gevaerts | After that you'll also be able to see the status in melange, I assume |
| 15:07.44 | hacklu | Student acceptance choice deadline. in 24th. |
| 15:07.52 | hacklu | what is this? |
| 15:07.58 | Karlik | hacklu: it is for org deadline |
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| 15:08.22 | Karlik | next is deduplication students and then official results |
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| 15:08.53 | hacklu | so as a student, I only can konw the result until 27th? |
| 15:09.00 | JakeDust | sometimes you can know whether you have been accepted or not from the reduplication meeting, but don't tell anyone this :) |
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| 15:09.28 | abhijangda | Karlik: nothing, I was just wondering if I could see your proposal, anyways thanks :) |
| 15:09.28 | gevaerts | JakeDust: that's true for about 0.2% of students |
| 15:09.36 | gevaerts | hacklu: yes |
| 15:09.45 | hacklu | JakeDust: what is the reduplication meeting? |
| 15:10.26 | JakeDust | gevaerts: yeah, I know, I almost sent a second project just to try to get accepted to two projects, but unfortunately I don't have infinite free time just to be mischievous :) |
| 15:10.28 | hacklu | gevaerts: thanks |
| 15:11.10 | JakeDust | hacklu: if you submitted two or more projects to two or more orgs, and two or more orgs accepted you, they'll have a meeting to discuss who'll keep you |
| 15:11.11 | Karlik | abhijangda: there is nothing interesting I think |
| 15:11.15 | gevaerts | JakeDust: in most cases, organisations will work it out between themselves anyway |
| 15:11.37 | gevaerts | So most duplicates are resolved long before the meeting |
| 15:11.48 | hacklu | JakeDust: so... I see. I only submit to one org. |
| 15:12.14 | JakeDust | yeah, last year there were less than ten pending students, IIRC |
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| 15:12.47 | gevaerts | Basically, all cases that still have to be resolved at the meeting point to communication issues. As an org, I'd rather avoid that, it might well have an impact for next year :) |
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| 15:13.56 | mouseover | Has anyone received any confirmations yet for proposals? |
| 15:14.05 | |Kev| | 'confirmation'? |
| 15:14.17 | JakeDust | I wish they hadn't postponed GSoC this year |
| 15:14.33 | JakeDust | at this time last year most students already had their cards |
| 15:14.43 | mouseover | |Kev|: i.e. the results of the ranking and which student(s) are selected? |
| 15:15.04 | |Kev| | No. Students will find out nothing until the date on the timeline. |
| 15:15.14 | |Kev| | Orgs are not allowed to say anything until Google makes the announcement. |
| 15:15.15 | JakeDust | mouseover: next week on Monday, and most orgs just release the list of accepted students |
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| 15:15.54 | mouseover | JakeDust: well, the "Proposal Matched deadline" is in 16 hours |
| 15:16.05 | kai | mouseover: so? |
| 15:16.06 | hacklu | student needn't do anything like confirm the accepted? |
| 15:16.06 | mouseover | Will students be contacted after 16 hours then? |
| 15:16.14 | kai | mouseover: no |
| 15:16.35 | JakeDust | mouseover: that's an org only deadline to try to finish their allocation |
| 15:16.49 | kai | mouseover: you might get an email an hour or two before 27th 19:00 UTC, but don't expect anything before then |
| 15:16.58 | mouseover | allocation of slots? |
| 15:17.30 | kai | there's a bit of a buffer to fix any potential remaining problems |
| 15:17.34 | mouseover | So in 16 hours the orgs will know how many slots they have? |
| 15:17.58 | JakeDust | no, they know how many slots they have since the 8th |
| 15:18.05 | abhijangda | can a student participate both as mentor and also as student working on project? |
| 15:18.10 | kai | they pretty much know how many slots they have, but nothing is really final until the emils are sent out |
| 15:18.12 | JakeDust | they have 16 hours to finish allocating students to the slots. |
| 15:18.13 | kai | abhijangda: no |
| 15:18.17 | kai | !faq | abhijangda |
| 15:18.17 | gsocbot | abhijangda: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page |
| 15:18.17 | |Kev| | abhijangda: The FAQ answers this. |
| 15:18.38 | kai | apart from the obvious conflict of interest |
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| 15:18.43 | abhijangda | ok thanks :) |
| 15:19.20 | mouseover | Is it appropriate to ask an organization on the "status" of my proposal? |
| 15:19.40 | prasoon2211_ | why the lateness though? This time around, gsoc is late by a whole month compared to last time. |
| 15:19.44 | Karlik | mouseover: I think it doesn't make any sense |
| 15:19.51 | mouseover | Karlik: why not? |
| 15:19.53 | kai | sure. my answer to that'd be something like "I think I've seen it somewhere" |
| 15:20.10 | mouseover | kai: were you talking to me? |
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| 15:20.40 | |Kev| | kai: I think I'd answer "Code 52b". |
| 15:20.40 | kai | mouseover: mentors are not alloweed to tell you anything about your proposal being accepted or rejected until the official emails are sent out by google |
| 15:20.53 | mouseover | kai: I see |
| 15:20.54 | |Kev| | kai: Because I'm a helpful soul. |
| 15:21.21 | Karlik | mouseover: you always can: work in google and/or hack the melange ;] |
| 15:21.28 | JakeDust | |Kev|: 52b? |
| 15:21.29 | kai | so just relax and do something useful with your time |
| 15:21.31 | |Kev| | "Google won't let us tell you anything about your proposal, so all I'll say is that it's in state 52b. Nod nod, wink wink" |
| 15:21.57 | mouseover | well, after the proposal deadline I have not received any feedback from the mentors -- but still they have Opened up the proposal for editing. |
| 15:22.16 | prasoon2211_ | kai: well, a friend has submitted a proposal and his mentor has told him that he'd vouch for his project. What does that mean then? |
| 15:22.25 | JakeDust | Karlik mouseover: with the downside that you won't be able to participate :) |
| 15:22.29 | kai | prasoon2211_: no idea? |
| 15:23.12 | kai | prasoon2211_: I'd assume something like clicking the "I'm willing to mentor" button |
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| 15:23.40 | kai | but google does not care much about the process of how orgs select their students |
| 15:24.11 | prasoon2211_ | kai: Hmm. Maybe. |
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| 15:24.43 | prasoon2211_ | It's just that this last week of waiting is really jittery :) |
| 15:24.51 | kai | !patience |
| 15:24.51 | gsocbot | kai: "patience" is very important for GSoC/GCI. Relax and go code something useful. |
| 15:25.12 | Karlik | kai: especially here: https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2013/melange ;] |
| 15:25.26 | abhijangda | prasoon2211_: you are right buddy!! And even more when you are expecting so much!! :) |
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| 15:26.09 | prasoon2211_ | I am doing useful things. Like porting a php application. Like trying out image processing :) |
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| 15:27.08 | prasoon2211_ | abhijangda, which org? |
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| 15:28.09 | abhijangda | GNOME |
| 15:28.11 | abhijangda | and yours? |
| 15:28.15 | prasoon2211_ | SymPy |
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| 15:28.33 | abhijangda | have you made your proposal |
| 15:28.34 | abhijangda | public? |
| 15:28.46 | prasoon2211_ | yes, I think. |
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| 15:28.54 | abhijangda | can I see it? |
| 15:29.00 | prasoon2211_ | sure |
| 15:29.06 | prasoon2211_ | go on the sympy wiki |
| 15:29.14 | prasoon2211_ | links are there to all proposals |
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| 15:38.38 | gsocbot | rihen_: "next" is May 24 at 07.00 UTC: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor |
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| 15:59.08 | megha | !next |
| 15:59.09 | gsocbot | megha: "next" is May 24 at 07.00 UTC: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor |
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| 16:03.44 | sachin_h | Hey. Is an org allowed to tell if an idea (not student) is selected or not? |
| 16:03.54 | prasoon2211_ | nope |
| 16:04.10 | prasoon2211_ | you'll know for sure on 27th |
| 16:05.01 | sachin_h | okay. Thanks :) |
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| 16:23.54 | pratnala | !next |
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| 16:29.39 | pratnala | hello folks |
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| 16:30.15 | Agwatic | I applied for processing organization and I don't know till now my mentor who will be |
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| 16:34.19 | jimbbo | !logs |
| 16:34.19 | gsocbot | jimbbo: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 16:39.11 | megha | if a persone doesn't gets a mentor that means indirectly he can understand that he is not selected ? |
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| 16:39.38 | carols | megha: no, that doesn't mean that. |
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| 16:39.49 | megha | carols: ok |
| 16:39.51 | carols | you'll know whether you got selected or not on monday. |
| 16:40.01 | megha | ok |
| 16:40.10 | megha | waiting for monday |
| 16:40.26 | carols | great |
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| 16:42.43 | Agwatic | carlos what that means "Student acceptance choice deadline. " , that means that I'm accepted or not but still not announced , right ? |
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| 16:42.55 | carols | Agwatic: indeed. |
| 16:43.03 | carols | you'd be amazed what can happen in 48 hours. |
| 16:43.13 | carols | how many orgs email me changing their decisions. |
| 16:43.24 | aghisla | it's the power of deadlines :) |
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| 16:44.52 | Agwatic | what about the topic of the channel , I don't know any mentor in the organization I applied for |
| 16:45.09 | carols | Agwatic: don't worry about it. |
| 16:45.13 | carols | they figure it out. |
| 16:45.17 | carols | just breathe. |
| 16:45.19 | carols | it will all work out. |
| 16:45.34 | Agwatic | ok, thanks alot |
| 16:45.38 | carols | yw |
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| 16:47.13 | matthew_fluet | carols: I'm an org admin; is this the place to be for tomorrow's IRC meeting? |
| 16:47.22 | carols | matthew_fluet: indeed it is |
| 16:47.24 | carols | that reminds me |
| 16:47.38 | megha | carols: awesome video, just saw this video of you... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrGe6XDApWs |
| 16:49.15 | matthew_fluet | carols: thanks |
| 16:49.20 | carols | yw |
| 16:49.24 | carols | kblin, you around? |
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| 16:54.46 | megha | carols: can't we have this video link on google-melange website ? very informational stuff |
| 16:55.06 | carols | megha: where on melange would you suggest we put it? |
| 16:56.23 | Agwatic | carols : you can put it in FAQ section |
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| 16:56.33 | carols | Agwatic: sure, under what question? |
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| 16:57.09 | Agwatic | carols : additional info maybe ? |
| 16:57.15 | carols | sure, i'll add it. |
| 16:57.19 | kblin | carols: yeah, for a bit |
| 16:57.33 | carols | kblin: will you be around for queuing folks for tomorrow's meeting? |
| 16:57.39 | carols | or should i bribe someone else? :-) |
| 16:57.55 | kblin | carols: I'm afraid I'm invited to a friend's birthday party |
| 16:58.09 | carols | kblin: ok, bribery to someone else it is then. |
| 16:58.16 | kblin | I can make sure gsocbot's queue module is up |
| 16:58.40 | carols | great, thanks. |
| 16:58.57 | megha | carols: add it under FAQ it would be great |
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| 16:59.09 | megha | as Agwatic told |
| 16:59.11 | carols | sure, as i said, i'll do it. |
| 16:59.18 | megha | thanks |
| 16:59.19 | swook | Are there usually that many duplication cases? |
| 16:59.29 | carols | swook: yes |
| 16:59.46 | swook | That's interesting |
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| 17:00.45 | megha | even when a person can apply to atmost 5 orgs ? |
| 17:00.51 | carols | megha: yes |
| 17:01.09 | kblin | but most should be resolved before the meeting |
| 17:01.22 | kblin | anyway, off I go again |
| 17:01.25 | swook | I would think that it's challenging to write sufficiently good proposals for more than 2 projects |
| 17:01.26 | megha | but ratio must be less than previous years.. |
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| 17:01.45 | carols | scorche: any interest in additional bribery tomorrow? |
| 17:01.56 | psie | excuse me, is it still possible for a student to edit his/her proposal? |
| 17:02.06 | carols | psie: only if the org allows it. |
| 17:02.20 | psie | thanks carols |
| 17:02.29 | carols | yw |
| 17:02.36 | psie | and what is the final deadline for that? |
| 17:02.50 | carols | psie: whenever the org deems it so. |
| 17:02.56 | psie | cool |
| 17:02.58 | scorche|sh | carols: interest? - sure...i dont think i will have good enough reception while driving through the desert to pull it off though =/ |
| 17:03.09 | carols | scorche|sh: too bad! :-) |
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| 17:04.13 | gevaerts | scorche|sh: you're driving into the desert to avoid helping carols? |
| 17:04.18 | gevaerts | is not impressed! |
| 17:04.19 | carols | dang |
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| 17:04.22 | carols | haha |
| 17:04.40 | scorche|sh | gevaerts: technically, i would say i am driving out of the desert |
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| 17:07.35 | carols | oh well :-) |
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| 17:08.13 | chetna | !countdown |
| 17:08.14 | gsocbot | chetna: "countdown" is http://goo.gl/ocEn4 |
| 17:08.23 | chetna | !next |
| 17:08.24 | gsocbot | chetna: "next" is May 24 at 07.00 UTC: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor |
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| 17:09.47 | JordiGH | It looks like we got three times more slots and mentors this year compared to last. I'm kinda scared by this. |
| 17:10.12 | carols | JordiGH: teach you to ask for more slots :-) |
| 17:10.48 | JordiGH | I didn't! I asked for more mentors. Then when they crawled out of the woodwork, asked for slots. |
| 17:10.58 | JordiGH | And got them. o.O |
| 17:10.59 | carols | fair enough :-) |
| 17:11.06 | JakeDust | JordiGH: Can I go back in time and send an application to Octave? :) |
| 17:11.36 | JordiGH | JakeDust: Nope, nope, way too late, and even if it wasn't, we're full, thanks. |
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| 17:11.54 | JakeDust | Aw :) |
| 17:12.38 | sachin_h | Can students find out how many slots an org has got? |
| 17:12.50 | psie | are there any statistics on total applications and slots? |
| 17:13.03 | psie | (publicly available) |
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| 17:13.39 | swook | !numapps |
| 17:13.39 | gsocbot | swook: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4258 students submitted 6685 proposals, of which 1212 were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 students submitted 5474 proposals, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
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| 17:14.59 | psie | i meant this year stats |
| 17:15.15 | carols | psie: they'll be published after we announce students. |
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| 17:15.33 | psie | great |
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| 17:16.06 | sachin_h | are orgs allowed to tell how many slots they've been given as of now? |
| 17:16.16 | carols | sachin_h: yes, if they so choose. |
| 17:16.28 | sachin_h | okay |
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| 17:58.38 | tuxskar | hello, I'm a student and I have a doubt with this event "All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor" |
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| 17:59.19 | tuxskar | Do I have to talk with the organization I have applied to work with to sign something? |
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| 17:59.41 | carols | tuxskar: no |
| 18:00.31 | tuxskar | carols: thanks :) |
| 18:00.32 | Ivanovic | tuxskar: this is only relevant for organizations |
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| 18:02.26 | tuxskar | ok, thank you, and I guess as I have applied just for one organization I don't have to meet here for the duplicate resolution, do I?, I just have to wait until monday to know the resolution right? |
| 18:02.58 | carols | tuxskar: duplicate resolution is only for orgs, not students. |
| 18:03.03 | carols | so no, you don't have to come. |
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| 18:03.25 | tuxskar | ok, thank you very much |
| 18:03.28 | carols | yw |
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| 18:03.56 | rendam | does gsoc qualify as employment or is it contract work? are my contributions to FOSS considered voluntary or contract work since I will be paid for it. |
| 18:04.05 | carols | rendam: it's neither. |
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| 18:04.10 | carols | you're a student developer paid a stipend. |
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| 18:05.22 | rendam | carols: In Human Resources terms what does such an understanding between me and google qualify as employment/ contract work/ voluntary contribution to FOSS |
| 18:05.56 | carols | rendam: if you imagine it on your resume, it would go in the "activities" section |
| 18:07.46 | Uli- | rendam: stipend, were i come from, implies tax-free. but in .de a stipend must meet some prerequisites which gsoc might not meet. so best ask a lawyer/accountant |
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| 18:08.40 | Ivanovic | i dislike situations in which you have two good candidates for a slot and you have a duplicate with *both* of them... |
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| 18:09.40 | rendam | carols, Uli-: sounds like some legal wiggle I will have to pull off, I am under a day job as a research assistant.... my offer prevents me from dual employment. |
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| 18:10.41 | Ivanovic | rendam: and you are sure you can handle two full jobs? |
| 18:10.48 | schumaml | rendam: the prospective org knows about this other commitment? |
| 18:10.49 | Ivanovic | rendam: since gsoc is basically a full job |
| 18:11.13 | Ivanovic | rendam: and it would be a shame if you had to drop out of gsoc realizing that there is just too much for you to handle |
| 18:11.22 | Ivanovic | (you would not be the first whom this happens to!) |
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| 18:13.33 | rendam | GSOC is too god to refuse. My day job kills me, i'll probably quit it soon. |
| 18:14.06 | JordiGH | GSoC can be good or not depending on which org you work with. |
| 18:14.07 | megha | can we term GSOC as a summer internship with google ? |
| 18:14.13 | JordiGH | We're all humans. |
| 18:14.16 | megha | or the org |
| 18:14.36 | JordiGH | megha: No, it is not an internship with Google. Probably not with the org either. |
| 18:14.57 | sankarshan | It isn't. It is one of the activities that a student would be putting on the resume. |
| 18:15.43 | megha | okay |
| 18:15.46 | JordiGH | I kinda think that it's a bit... weird... to put GSoC in your CV with "Google" on it. Google doesn't select you, mentor you, nor evaluate your work, beyond basic sanity checks. |
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| 18:15.57 | sankarshan | exactly |
| 18:15.58 | rendam | hmm lets say its like those top-coder competitions with cash prize. |
| 18:16.20 | gevaerts | carols: maybe the timeline could have an extra field next year (if there is one) stating who the even applies to (organisations, mentors, students)? |
| 18:16.26 | paultag | I think if you make it through the summer you could add the orga |
| 18:16.29 | paultag | depending on the orga |
| 18:16.37 | carols | gevaerts: sure, i can think about that. |
| 18:16.49 | paultag | [to your cv] |
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| 18:17.41 | gevaerts | carols: I've seen the same question about tomorrow's entry asked at least five times today. I suspect if it was clearly marked as "not for students", most of those would have been avoided |
| 18:17.51 | carols | yeah, fair enough. |
| 18:17.53 | carols | good point. |
| 18:17.57 | carols | more stuff for next year. |
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| 18:18.13 | JordiGH | I hope next year we call it GSoC X. |
| 18:18.19 | JordiGH | http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/XMakesAnythingCool |
| 18:18.39 | paultag | that's so 2005 |
| 18:18.45 | paultag | at least get to iGSOC |
| 18:18.53 | paultag | now it's all about .io |
| 18:18.56 | paultag | gsoc.io |
| 18:19.01 | JordiGH | Haha. |
| 18:19.07 | gevaerts | On the other hand, I like answering easy questions :) |
| 18:19.27 | JordiGH | GSoC+ |
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| 18:19.39 | aghisla | gsoc 3.0 |
| 18:19.47 | paultag | nah man, we skipped 3.0 entirely |
| 18:19.56 | paultag | last year was all about web 4.0 at a few of the big confs |
| 18:20.06 | aghisla | oh, I'm well behind then :) |
| 18:20.08 | paultag | but that's kinda become a joke |
| 18:20.24 | aghisla | goes back to her marquee'd website |
| 18:20.32 | paultag | +1 |
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| 18:23.02 | rendam | current under the employment contract I am in, all my Intellectual property from the date of comencement of contract is the property of my employer. What are the implications of such a clause to GSoC participation. |
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| 18:23.19 | paultag | first of all, that's insanity |
| 18:23.38 | paultag | second of all, that means you can't rightfully contribute without your employer re-licensing your work under the orga's license |
| 18:23.42 | JordiGH | It means if you design a ship, the ship hull design rights belongs to your employer, among other things. |
| 18:23.48 | paultag | third of all, you won't hold copyright, your employer will |
| 18:23.51 | paultag | even under those terms |
| 18:23.56 | paultag | unless they grant a waver |
| 18:24.18 | carols | reason #743028 we don't want students doing GSoC and another job. |
| 18:24.21 | paultag | truth |
| 18:24.38 | paultag | we should start keeping notes |
| 18:24.50 | JordiGH | It also means that if you decide to give your code a regional designation (e.g. "proudly coded in the free republic of Svobodistan"), then this designation also belongs to your employer. |
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| 18:25.08 | megha | hopefully it would be great if tommorow is Monday but ..... |
| 18:25.35 | scorche|sh | rendam: as a note for your future, dont look at contracts as set in stone - in many places I have worked, I have asked them to make changes to the contracts |
| 18:25.39 | scorche|sh | in all cases so far, they have |
| 18:25.41 | paultag | scorche|sh++ |
| 18:26.19 | paultag | rendam: basically; check with your employer, get them to grant you a waver for GSoC to re-license under a free license (and in a perfect world, also allow copyright to be assigned to you personally) if you're really set on doing GSoC |
| 18:26.35 | JordiGH | But yeah, it's crazy for a contract to say that. If you work on your own time, you shouldn't be bound by your employer's wishes. |
| 18:26.39 | paultag | totally. |
| 18:26.45 | paultag | it's legal[ish] |
| 18:26.58 | paultag | since you could be abusing "trade secrets" you picked up on the job |
| 18:27.00 | gevaerts | Be careful though. Remember that your employer owns the copyright on your question about them owning the copyright |
| 18:27.04 | scorche|sh | yeah - it is a fairly common clause though - definitely one of the clauses i typically have them adjust wording on |
| 18:27.23 | paultag | scorche|sh: I'd never apply somewhere that put that in the default clause myself :) |
| 18:27.25 | rendam | it is legalish so I dont publish independent research that undermines the labs research without crediting the lab |
| 18:27.27 | schumaml | rendam: we wouldn't accept you under such IP restrictions, for example |
| 18:27.27 | JordiGH | scorche|sh: I've proudly never signed such a clause. :-) |
| 18:27.39 | paultag | same |
| 18:27.48 | JordiGH | scorche|sh: For my current job, I just had to sign an NDA that pertained exclusively to medical data. I'm allowed to release free software from my current job. :_) |
| 18:27.52 | paultag | rendam: if they can't trust you to not do that, they shouldn't hire you |
| 18:27.56 | paultag | I mean really |
| 18:27.59 | schumaml | and if you'd reveal this only after you had been accepted and had to drop out, we would be very, very annoyed |
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| 18:28.00 | paultag | let's be grown-up here |
| 18:28.05 | scorche|sh | paultag: i wouldnt say that that is an instant reject - especially if they are willing to adjust wording |
| 18:28.27 | paultag | scorche|sh: While I don't disagree, it's more of an attitude thing |
| 18:28.46 | paultag | scorche|sh: if that's how they see their worker-bees, I likely won't be a good social fit |
| 18:28.50 | gevaerts | thinks one should sign it, then insult them, and when they object, state "Your words, not mine" |
| 18:28.55 | scorche|sh | paultag: also keep in mind that it is possible the company didnt actually write the contract |
| 18:28.59 | paultag | scorche|sh: aye |
| 18:29.04 | scorche|sh | paultag: i think you are looking too far into this, really |
| 18:29.08 | paultag | perhaps |
| 18:29.10 | schumaml | paultag: a new employer of one of our contributors tried this as well |
| 18:29.12 | paultag | I've never had one in a contract |
| 18:29.21 | paultag | so perhaps I'm warped :) |
| 18:29.21 | scorche|sh | if they refuse to make any changes to the contract, then sure |
| 18:29.28 | paultag | schumaml: oh? |
| 18:29.57 | schumaml | paultag: this was in India, not sure if it is somewhat more common there |
| 18:30.03 | paultag | Ahh. |
| 18:30.12 | paultag | I'm in a progressive part of the USA :) |
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| 18:32.48 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 18:33.29 | rendam | sadly beggars can't be choosers, I cannot quit this job especially without knowledge of me making it to gsoc. So you should get my dilemma ... I'll talk about it and get the new clause about FOSS in writing |
| 18:33.30 | downey | mmm tea |
| 18:34.45 | JanDayanan | does this chat accept newbs like me? |
| 18:34.54 | downey | JanDayanan: welcome :) |
| 18:34.56 | JordiGH | JanDayanan: Affirmative. |
| 18:35.12 | megha | serves hot chocolates |
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| 18:35.18 | JanDayanan | thanks! |
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| 18:35.35 | JanDayanan | so I was wondering how one could apply/register for GSOC? |
| 18:35.50 | JanDayanan | I am here out of sheer curiosity. |
| 18:35.53 | carols | JanDayanan: it's too late for this year, you'll have to wait and see if we decide to run it again next year. |
| 18:36.08 | carols | but you're of course more than welcome to volunteer for the open source org of your choice any time |
| 18:36.17 | JanDayanan | awwww. |
| 18:36.21 | JanDayanan | well, that would be great! |
| 18:36.30 | carols | cool :-) |
| 18:36.41 | JanDayanan | so how does one become a volunteer for an org? |
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| 18:36.51 | carols | JanDayanan: just contact them and express your interest. |
| 18:37.01 | JanDayanan | i see. thanks @carols |
| 18:37.05 | carols | yw |
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| 18:37.21 | JanDayanan | I am actually interested with moodle. |
| 18:37.36 | carols | great, i'm sure they'd love to have you. |
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| 18:37.51 | rendam | I am a sad worker bee... *plays radiohead* |
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| 18:41.07 | haku | So we find out tomorrow if our proposals were accepted? |
| 18:41.35 | gevaerts | No. On the 27th |
| 18:42.07 | haku | Oh, I see why I was confused now |
| 18:42.08 | haku | Thanks |
| 18:42.16 | gevaerts | You're welcome :) |
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| 18:43.52 | harshkothari | can any one tell me about the "duplicate allocation" thing in gsoc?? |
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| 18:45.07 | gevaerts | harshkothari: it's quite simple really. Since you're allowed to submit more than one proposal, there's a chance that more than one organisation wants to accept you |
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| 18:45.54 | gevaerts | So right now people from different organisations are talking to each other about these, trying to resolve as many as possible, so every student is accepted by at most one organisation |
| 18:46.06 | haku | I thought we submitted one proposal per organization. O: I applied to one organization with one proposal |
| 18:46.23 | gevaerts | Then tomorrow, there will be a meeting here between organisations and google to resolve the remaining (hopefully few) cases |
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| 18:46.49 | gevaerts | haku: in general, more than one proposal is often a bad idea |
| 18:47.04 | gevaerts | A good proposal takes time |
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| 18:47.15 | gevaerts | So don't feel bad about it :) |
| 18:47.19 | Sneha | gevaerts: is it upto the students to choose? or will the mentoring organisation do it? |
| 18:47.33 | gevaerts | Sneha: mentoring organisations decide |
| 18:47.51 | gevaerts | The basic assumption is that you don't apply for an organisation you don't want to work with :) |
| 18:48.29 | Sneha | gevaerts: ok. thanks! :) |
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| 18:52.03 | mancoolgunda | hi everyone |
| 18:52.22 | carols | hi mancoolgunda |
| 18:52.31 | mancoolgunda | can anyone brief me what happens in the period from 24th May-27th May as far as GSoC is concerned. |
| 18:52.45 | carols | mancoolgunda: i make sure all the orgs aren't trying to pull a fast one. |
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| 18:54.39 | haku | The IRC subject says "Please work with your mentors while they rank the proposals" |
| 18:54.50 | haku | How do we work with the mentors if we don't know if we were accepted yet or not? |
| 18:55.01 | haku | Do we have to contact them ourselves and start our work early? |
| 18:55.04 | paultag | by answering questions. |
| 18:55.07 | carols | haku: no need to do anything. don't worry about it. |
| 18:55.14 | paultag | if they ask* |
| 18:55.24 | haku | Do they contact us via email? |
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| 18:55.33 | paultag | shrugs |
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| 18:55.39 | paultag | don't worry about it. They can get in touch. |
| 18:55.46 | paultag | email, IM, phone, whatever information you gave them. |
| 18:55.50 | haku | Ah, okay |
| 18:55.52 | haku | Thanks |
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| 18:56.14 | paultag | sure enough |
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| 18:58.08 | qmaruf | !countdown |
| 18:58.09 | gsocbot | qmaruf: "countdown" is http://goo.gl/ocEn4 |
| 18:58.26 | paultag | !next |
| 18:58.28 | gsocbot | paultag: "next" is May 24 at 07.00 UTC: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor |
| 18:58.34 | paultag | Killer. |
| 18:58.52 | JordiGH | haku: We were deciding on proposals up until today, so the more you interact with your mentors now and the more you demonstrate willingness to work and learn, the more likely that they would be to take your proposal. |
| 18:59.13 | JordiGH | Applying to GSoC isn't like sending a university application... gather the paperwork, send it, wait for a response. |
| 18:59.22 | paultag | JordiGH: I'm pretty strict on making sure students don't put too much work in before we decide |
| 18:59.32 | haku | So it's too late for me to contact them since they already have the proposals figured out? |
| 18:59.45 | paultag | haku: they decide until today |
| 18:59.52 | rendam | haku: 99% yes it's late |
| 18:59.56 | paultag | Not saying this is the perfect solution |
| 19:00.06 | paultag | but if you wanted to get me to think you're good for the job |
| 19:00.08 | haku | Man, here I was waiting… at least I know for next year :/ |
| 19:00.10 | JordiGH | paultag: I haven't had a problem with students doing too much work during this phase yet. I usually encourage them to get a patch in or two. |
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| 19:00.16 | paultag | I'd email questions to your mentor about things *related* to the project |
| 19:00.26 | paultag | to show you're reading about the project, your work, the subject area |
| 19:00.43 | paultag | JordiGH: yeah, we require patches too |
| 19:00.51 | haku | And by "mentor," you mean the organization? I don't know if there is a specific person I should contact. |
| 19:00.53 | paultag | but they shouldn't still be working on them :) |
| 19:01.03 | paultag | haku: most projects will show a mentor / co-mentors |
| 19:01.09 | paultag | (at least when I've been involved0 |
| 19:01.15 | haku | Ah, I see |
| 19:01.19 | JordiGH | paultag: You require them? We just really encourage them. Sometimes related code samples are acceptable, or sometimes a very well-researched analysis of the problem is good too. |
| 19:01.28 | paultag | JordiGH: we require them, yes |
| 19:01.36 | paultag | (Hey, I was reading about XXX, but YYY seems to mean FOO, what about BAR, haku) |
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| 19:01.53 | paultag | JordiGH: small stuff, and it's mostly to get them onto the BTS, etc. |
| 19:02.04 | paultag | make sure they can do the basics, work with tools given a guide |
| 19:02.12 | JordiGH | paultag: How many slots has Debian had in the past? |
| 19:02.12 | paultag | but they're a hard requirement |
| 19:02.17 | paultag | JordiGH: last year we had 13 |
| 19:02.31 | JordiGH | That's a lot of mentors. |
| 19:02.35 | paultag | I can't remember if that's passed or total |
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| 19:02.40 | paultag | Yeah. we try to get 2 to a project. |
| 19:02.42 | haku | So after we're accepted, that's a done decision? There isn't any interview process or anything? |
| 19:02.45 | JordiGH | I'm feeling overwhelmed with the number of we have this year, and it's less than 13. |
| 19:02.54 | paultag | JordiGH: yeah, it's a bit overwhelming. There are 4 orga admins |
| 19:02.59 | paultag | JordiGH: so we divy stuff up |
| 19:03.04 | paultag | haku: yeah. it's done after that :) |
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| 19:03.17 | JordiGH | haku: Well, you can still be dropped at the midterm or at the final. |
| 19:03.23 | paultag | ^ that |
| 19:03.27 | JordiGH | haku: But you'll get the initial 500 USD. |
| 19:03.32 | haku | Ahh, I see. Now it makes even more sense to contact the organization before the deadline. |
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| 19:07.23 | JordiGH | Debian is on the cloud now? |
| 19:08.13 | JordiGH | Huh, nobody wanted to mentor a web interface to debbugs? |
| 19:08.39 | JordiGH | The student that did that for Debian a few GSoCs past passed, didn't she or he? |
| 19:09.32 | JordiGH | Yet we still don't have a web interface for debbugs. This is kind of common. GSoC projects pass, code gets merged in, but code never makes it to a production release. |
| 19:09.34 | paultag | Debian is in the cloud |
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| 19:09.57 | paultag | also yes. Every once in a while. |
| 19:10.10 | gevaerts | paultag: I thought debian was *beyound* the cloud? |
| 19:10.20 | gevaerts | Don't they use it in space? :) |
| 19:10.22 | paultag | gevaerts: that's true! (my pun never made it to publicity :'( ) |
| 19:10.23 | paultag | Yeah! |
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| 19:10.42 | paultag | gevaerts: the day of that announcement, my title was "Debian: Taking GNU/Linux beyond the cloud" |
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| 19:10.45 | paultag | no one used it. |
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| 19:10.55 | gevaerts | Boo! |
| 19:11.03 | paultag | inorite! |
| 19:11.29 | JordiGH | I mock the term "the cloud" as much as anyone else, but I honestly don't understand what the Debian-on-the-cloud GSoC project is about. Is it just about making it easy to deploy a Debian server? |
| 19:11.50 | paultag | JordiGH: from last year? |
| 19:12.02 | JordiGH | http://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2013/Projects#A_cloud_image_for_bioinformatics_with_Debian |
| 19:12.36 | JordiGH | paultag: Also, I just realised I know your face from planet.d.o |
| 19:12.40 | paultag | d'aww! |
| 19:12.41 | Hamish_OSGeo | mandrake became a cloud, but then it evaporated |
| 19:13.13 | paultag | JordiGH: basically, that project is to take some of the bioinformatics work in Debian and create images to work on AWS and friends |
| 19:13.27 | paultag | JordiGH: so that bioinformatics labs can spin up a ${FOO} cluster with a few clicks |
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| 19:13.48 | JordiGH | Aha. |
| 19:13.48 | paultag | the cloud tooling to create those images is weak, so it'll likely involve re-writing chunks of the cloud tools |
| 19:13.58 | JordiGH | So make it easy to make Debian clusters. |
| 19:14.06 | paultag | as far as I understand it, yes |
| 19:14.06 | JordiGH | I wish people just said that. |
| 19:14.08 | paultag | but I'm not sure |
| 19:14.15 | JordiGH | Yeah, the cloud is nebulous... |
| 19:14.18 | paultag | yeah. |
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| 19:36.47 | paultag | Oh god no |
| 19:36.59 | paultag | burn that password |
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| 19:39.05 | ankitkv | proposal matched deadlne is in 11 hours.. will the students find out if they are accepted or not? |
| 19:39.39 | DeNiS_M | no they won't |
| 19:39.47 | DeNiS_M | they will find out on 27th |
| 19:40.15 | dfighter | wonders why these so called students cannot read |
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| 19:51.52 | mmm_ | !next |
| 19:51.53 | gsocbot | mmm_: "next" is May 24 at 07.00 UTC: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor |
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| 19:55.25 | JordiGH | dfighter: Most humans' standard modus operandi is "tl;dr". |
| 19:55.40 | JordiGH | dfighter: Which is why a good UI ensures they don't have to read. |
| 19:57.03 | DeNiS_M | what is "tl;dr"? |
| 19:57.08 | dfighter | too long, didn't read |
| 19:57.09 | paultag | too long, didn't read |
| 19:57.16 | paultag | wow, byte-for-byte |
| 19:57.23 | DeNiS_M | thnx |
| 19:57.31 | dfighter | JordiGH, sadly you can't do everything with a simple next button :( |
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| 19:58.21 | gevaerts | stopped reading after "too long" :) |
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| 20:11.10 | hacker | !next |
| 20:11.11 | gsocbot | hacker: "next" is May 24 at 07.00 UTC: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor |
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| 20:43.44 | rahulrrixe | Hi ... |
| 20:43.51 | carols | hi rahulrrixe |
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| 20:44.39 | rahulrrixe | Anyone who had applied to incf? |
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| 21:31.31 | sonney2k | !next |
| 21:31.32 | gsocbot | sonney2k: "next" is May 24 at 07.00 UTC: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor |
| 21:31.36 | sonney2k | !stats |
| 21:31.36 | gsocbot | sonney2k: I have 3 registered users with 3 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. |
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| 21:32.45 | sonney2k | !numapps |
| 21:32.46 | gsocbot | sonney2k: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4258 students submitted 6685 proposals, of which 1212 were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 students submitted 5474 proposals, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 21:33.00 | sonney2k | hmmhh |
| 21:33.09 | sonney2k | still no update |
| 21:33.23 | sonney2k | I guess next week then :) |
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| 21:41.56 | jimbob | where can I find chatlogs of earlier today? |
| 21:42.09 | carols | !logs |
| 21:42.09 | gsocbot | carols: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 21:43.14 | jimbob | but today's logs aren't available there |
| 21:43.17 | gevaerts | I believe those only update once a day though, at midnight UTC |
| 21:43.27 | jimbob | ah alright, thanks |
| 21:43.28 | gevaerts | So in a bit over two hours |
| 21:43.55 | jimbob | cheers |
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| 21:52.05 | jjs1 | !timeline |
| 21:52.05 | gsocbot | jjs1: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 |
| 21:53.08 | jjs1 | The waiting is the hardest part ♪ |
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| 23:36.29 | Achillion | Quite quiet |
| 23:36.43 | Achillion | Try saying that 5 times fast |
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| 23:56.41 | Uli- | quite quiet |
| 23:56.46 | Uli- | ;) |
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