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| 06:51.51 | ashmew2 | 3% Currency conversion fee means that if you withdraw 100$, the bank will keep 3$ ? |
| 06:52.00 | ashmew2 | or is it computed differently |
| 06:52.56 | valorie | that is 3% |
| 06:53.29 | valorie | but I see them take it off the top, usually |
| 06:53.43 | ashmew2 | off the top? |
| 06:53.47 | valorie | so you get the $100, but $103 is gone from your account |
| 06:54.01 | ashmew2 | ohh |
| 06:54.15 | ashmew2 | effectively being the same , wow, the bank keeps 150$ from 5000$ |
| 06:54.19 | valorie | ask your bank how they do it |
| 06:54.32 | ashmew2 | the Citi Bank is fixed for everyone |
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| 06:58.56 | ashmew2 | thanks valorie |
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| 07:04.11 | olly_ | ashmew2: I might be misremembering or have misunderstood (I've not done gsoc as a student myself), but I have a vague recollection google actually give you a little more to allow for the fees |
| 07:04.32 | ashmew2 | yeah thats 15$ total, olly_ |
| 07:04.38 | ashmew2 | 5015$ . |
| 07:05.14 | ashmew2 | 3% of that is 150.45$ |
| 07:07.10 | olly_ | ah, probably for the withdrawl fee rather than the currency fee |
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| 08:57.35 | somaen | If I remember correctly it's not ONLY 3% |
| 08:57.48 | somaen | there is also a fixed fee per withdrawal when withdrawing in non-USD currency |
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| 10:11.31 | chandankumar | hello |
| 10:12.15 | chandankumar | in my college id-card, session is written as 2009-13. |
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| 10:13.00 | chandankumar | will meelange accept my id-card as a valid proof for the student proof? |
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| 10:13.43 | Achillion | [Unofficial, student opinion] Doubt it |
| 10:14.14 | gevaerts | Why not? |
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| 10:14.30 | gevaerts | I can be wrong, but I believe college id cards are fine |
| 10:14.47 | Achillion | If it's dated 2009 though ... |
| 10:15.02 | gevaerts | Well, ot |
| 10:15.11 | gevaerts | It's not dated 2009. It's dated 2009-2013 |
| 10:15.16 | gevaerts | Not quite the same thing :) |
| 10:15.17 | Achillion | oh |
| 10:15.37 | gevaerts | Anyway, you can upload it, and if it's not good enough you'll be contacted |
| 10:15.46 | Achillion | right. for some reason I though that was year-month (yes, I thought 13 was a month. Obviously I didn't look close enough) |
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| 10:16.29 | Achillion | goes back to his GSoC project |
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| 11:15.28 | mancoolgunda1 | hi |
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| 11:20.31 | disdi_ | hi |
| 11:21.05 | mancoolgunda1 | I had my zip/pincode entered incorrectly by mistake. I have updated it in my profile page. |
| 11:21.43 | mancoolgunda1 | So whom should I contact so that the address is correctly changed on the various packages? |
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| 11:21.56 | gevaerts | mancoolgunda1: send an email to carols@google.com as soon as possible |
| 11:22.45 | mancoolgunda1 | sure. will do that now. |
| 11:22.46 | disdi_ | Carol is the only person that can help you |
| 11:24.52 | mancoolgunda1 | Shipping address need not be filled if I want the package to be sent to the address which I have mentioned, right? |
| 11:26.07 | disdi_ | if its a different address |
| 11:26.21 | disdi_ | than your permanent address |
| 11:27.07 | mancoolgunda1 | ok |
| 11:29.07 | jjs1 | By my calculations, Apache Software Foundation, KDE and Python Software Foundation have the most accepted projects with totals of 51, 50 and 37 respectively. |
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| 11:29.40 | jjs1 | So ASF and KDE will be getting around $25k each from Google for the programme. |
| 11:30.09 | jjs1 | Really cool. :-) |
| 11:30.41 | gevaerts | Well, they're umbrellas, which means that the money may not stay in one big lump for long |
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| 11:31.16 | gevaerts | also doesn't know their policy about paying mentors |
| 11:31.59 | jjs1 | I was using information from here: https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page#1._How_do_payments_work |
| 11:32.18 | gevaerts | Well yes |
| 11:32.20 | jjs1 | Namely: "5500 USD per accepted student developer, of which 5000 USD goes to the student and 500 USD goes to the mentoring organization" |
| 11:32.26 | gevaerts | But that's only the start :) |
| 11:32.50 | jjs1 | Oh you mean the policies of the orgs? |
| 11:32.53 | gevaerts | yes |
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| 11:33.32 | gevaerts | I mean, if that money gets redistributed to all sub-projects right away, those numbers don't end up any more impressive than the numbers for small organisations |
| 11:34.04 | jjs1 | It's certainly interesting. I wonder how much of it gets eaten by an org's server costs. |
| 11:34.23 | gevaerts | From zero to everything :) |
| 11:34.25 | jjs1 | gevaerts: I see you point :-) |
| 11:34.49 | gevaerts | I mean, in rockbox, none of that money went to server costs, because server costs are entirely sponsored already |
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| 11:38.08 | jjs1 | Here's my data: http://pastebin.com/kCvmAn4P |
| 11:38.16 | jjs1 | I can't vouch for its accuracy, obviously |
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| 11:40.07 | gevaerts | That top 3 is what I rememeber too, anyway :) |
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| 11:41.56 | jjs1 | wonders if ASF is a frequent gold-medallist |
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| 11:42.30 | gevaerts | They're one of 13 orgs (that I could find) that never missed out on gsoc anyway |
| 11:42.38 | jjs1 | also wonders how he started procrastinating |
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| 11:43.43 | jjs1 | I think I'll leave it at that gevaerts. Interesting though :-) |
| 11:44.49 | gevaerts | The problem with finding those is that organisations tend to change their short name on melange and predecessors, and also aren't really consistent in the long names :) |
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| 11:46.27 | jjs1 | Yeah there may be duplicates in the data I linked. Though the number of entries seems to match up (1 short of the 177 publish orgs). |
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| 11:46.56 | jjs1 | But seriously, I need to get back to reading about async-http-client :-) |
| 11:47.18 | jjs1 | toodles away |
| 11:47.28 | gevaerts | one short is not unexpected |
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| 11:47.50 | gevaerts | That probably just means they didn't get any decent proposal |
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| 13:16.57 | galaxyAbstractor | Hey, I just realized I can only get a certificate of registration for the periods I already finished (2011/08/29 - 2013/06/02). I'm not registered on anything this autumn yet as regsitration only opens in the middle of august |
| 13:17.23 | galaxyAbstractor | Would you think the certificate for registration of periods finished still ok? |
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| 13:42.01 | perepujal | galaxyAbstractor: I "think" that as long as you are registered at the day J then you are OK |
| 13:42.23 | galaxyAbstractor | day J? |
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| 13:45.12 | galaxyAbstractor | At least one could assume I have 1 year left as I'm missing 60 points (60 points = 1 year), but it doesn't prove I'm gonna do that year after this summer or take a break and do it another year (I will do it after this summer, but I have no proof I can give other than my word on it) |
| 13:45.20 | galaxyAbstractor | But I guess such specifics maybe doesn't matter |
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| 14:05.01 | perepujal | galaxyAbstractor: day J: As long as you are accepted into or enrolled in a college or university program as of May 27, 2013, you are eligible to participate in the program. |
| 14:05.17 | galaxyAbstractor | ah, good |
| 14:05.17 | perepujal | from the FAQ ^ |
| 14:06.25 | galaxyAbstractor | Would that mean one could participate in GSoC even after graduating if you graduate in June that year? |
| 14:07.55 | perepujal | galaxyAbstractor: I don't know for sure but I supose yes |
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| 14:12.11 | lingz | galaxyAbstractor: I believe on the FAQs it says that even if you graduate partway through the program, it's fine |
| 14:12.19 | lingz | galaxyAbstractor: as long as you are enrolled at the beginning |
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| 14:23.04 | Czarconius | Anybody who got into Portland State University here? |
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| 14:24.16 | Czarconius | Anyways, what do I do if my mentor hasn't replied yet? |
| 14:24.42 | jjs1 | How long has it been? |
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| 14:25.47 | Czarconius | Since, the results were out. |
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| 14:26.25 | Czarconius | And, even before the deadline for proposals, there were hardly any inputs from his side. |
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| 14:29.04 | jjs1 | Sorry Czarconius, I'm not sure. Perhaps somebody else has a suggestion. |
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| 14:31.40 | gevaerts | Czarconius: do you have any other contacts with the organisation? |
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| 14:36.34 | Czarconius | gevaerts: No. And there's hardly any information on the organization's homepage. |
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| 14:45.45 | weltallAnd2 | Phone? Irc? Email? |
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| 14:47.35 | Czarconius | weltallAnd2: No contact number. Not on the IRC channels. Didn't reply to any e-mails I sent him. |
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| 14:49.30 | weltallAnd2 | It's a single person org? |
| 14:49.45 | weltallAnd2 | Could contact others |
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| 14:52.29 | Czarconius | weltallAnd2: I tried contacting other students who've also gotten into the same organization. They too, haven't had any replies. |
| 14:53.50 | weltallAnd2 | Mailing list, forums? |
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| 14:58.42 | Czarconius | The organization doesn't use those modes for communication. |
| 14:59.49 | weltallAnd2 | They have a public repo and they are doing commits? |
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| 15:02.14 | schumaml | interesting experience, given that their official page implies coownership of the whole program |
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| 15:16.10 | ffledgling_ | Hi, I had a little question regarding the docs to be uploaded. The tax form that I need to submit (Non-US resident) |
| 15:16.27 | ffledgling_ | Does it have to be printed, filled in, then scanned and uploaded? |
| 15:16.39 | ffledgling_ | Or do I have to sign it digitally? |
| 15:17.09 | galaxyAbstractor | What I've heard, printed, filled in, scanned and uploaded |
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| 15:18.53 | ffledgling_ | Is everyone doing the same? |
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| 15:20.04 | ffledgling_ | galaxyAbstractor, Thanks for the answer btw :) |
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| 15:21.19 | toso | ffledgling_: yes, same here. |
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| 15:21.50 | Gentlecat | ffledgling_: yep |
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| 15:23.15 | ffledgling_ | toso, Gentlecat Okay, thanks! |
| 15:23.41 | galaxyAbstractor | I signed electronically (but I wrote my signature on my android and uploaded and pasted in). I guess I have to stop being lazy and go to campus to print the document someday soon lol |
| 15:25.09 | ffledgling_ | galaxyAbstractor, I was going to do the same, if only i had a stylus. :( |
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| 15:27.03 | aMoniker | Does anyone know a good library for IMAP (especially that supports IDLE)? Can be in any language. |
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| 15:38.12 | kblin | !gsoc | aMoniker |
| 15:38.12 | gsocbot | aMoniker: "gsoc" is Something that allows you to program for the summer in an open source project and win some cash and reputation |
| 15:38.17 | kblin | hmm |
| 15:38.28 | kblin | someone messed up my mactoid |
| 15:38.32 | kblin | factoid, too |
| 15:38.34 | aMoniker | kblin: Yes I know. |
| 15:38.38 | JordiGH | iToid |
| 15:38.52 | aMoniker | kblin: My hope is that there are intelligent, resourceful people here who might have knowledge of my question. |
| 15:39.51 | kblin | aMoniker: if only there was a search engine we could use to collect information from the internet... |
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| 15:40.10 | kblin | and my point is that your question sounds off-topic :) |
| 15:40.28 | aMoniker | kblin: It's for gsoc. |
| 15:40.36 | kblin | oh, ok |
| 15:41.41 | gevaerts | Well, let's assume that all 1000 students ask their technical questions here :) |
| 15:41.47 | kblin | !learn gsoc as Something that allows you to program for the summer in an open source project and win some cash and reputation, not "Generic Savoir-faire on Open source Conundrums" |
| 15:41.47 | gsocbot | kblin: "gsoc" is (#1) Something that allows you to program for the summer in an open source project and win some cash and reputation, or (#2) Something that allows you to program for the summer in an open source project and win some cash and reputation, not Generic Savoir-faire on Open source Conundrums |
| 15:41.59 | kblin | !forget gsoc 1 |
| 15:42.01 | gsocbot | kblin: "gsoc" is Something that allows you to program for the summer in an open source project and win some cash and reputation, not Generic Savoir-faire on Open source Conundrums |
| 15:42.09 | gevaerts | doesn't feel like going on, his explanation will be drowned out by the 1000 studens asking questions anyway |
| 15:42.12 | weltall | Czarconius, personally i'd see if it's possible to derive their time of activity, maybe they are working on the project only on weekends, and wait for that time, else i'd contact carols |
| 15:42.51 | kblin | well, there'll be at least two people involved with that org |
| 15:42.57 | aMoniker | I suppose I now have some evidence for my conjecture. |
| 15:43.07 | kblin | you need a backup mentor to sign up |
| 15:43.15 | kblin | er backup admin, of course |
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| 15:44.13 | kblin | aMoniker: but as gevaerts said, won't it make more sense to discuss technical questions with your project's community? |
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| 15:45.14 | aMoniker | kblin: I ask in lots of places, and get an answer from as many as possible. |
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| 16:06.21 | jjs1 | has never seen such an exuberant "off-topic" warning |
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| 16:07.21 | kblin | jjs1: :) |
| 16:09.17 | jjs1 | kblin: Certainly did the trick :-) |
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| 16:10.18 | kblin | well, the opposite end of the specture certainly is something like "/kick user Please stay on topic!" |
| 16:10.37 | kblin | spectrum |
| 16:11.06 | kblin | obviously I need to adjust the cafeine intake somehow |
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| 17:02.41 | banas | Just curious, do mentors receive some goodies too? |
| 17:03.08 | kblin | banas: they get a t-shirt at the end of the summer |
| 17:03.29 | banas | kblin: Ah! That's awesome! |
| 17:04.42 | kblin | and the mentoring org gets $500 per mentored student, some orgs chose to pass this on to the mentors |
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| 17:06.38 | dfighter | and they get to go to the mentors summit |
| 17:06.44 | dfighter | or at least some of them anyways |
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| 17:08.20 | kblin | hey Lennie |
| 17:08.26 | Lennie | hi |
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| 17:13.39 | mancoolgunda | hi |
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| 17:21.43 | infinidy | hi |
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| 17:24.13 | infinidy | I wanted to know what is expected out of bonding period. |
| 17:24.41 | gh_ | infinidy, hi, have a look at http://googlesummerofcode.blogspot.com.ar/2007/04/so-what-is-this-community-bonding-all.html |
| 17:25.16 | infinidy | yah, I have fixed a few bugs..submitted patches already. |
| 17:25.35 | gh_ | infinidy, for instance I have a student that never contributed to the project he will be working one. I'm asking his to fix a few simple bugs and be present on IRC. |
| 17:25.38 | infinidy | So I have read the documentation, coding style and have the codebase cloned. |
| 17:25.48 | gh_ | *him |
| 17:25.57 | infinidy | No, thats not the case with me.. |
| 17:26.17 | infinidy | Also for fixing bugs, have interacted with few mentors already. |
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| 17:29.38 | infinidy | gh_: ^ |
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| 17:30.40 | gh_ | infinidy, then I guess you can keep on discussing details of your project's plan with the other devs. and blog about it. |
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| 17:34.38 | yogev_ezra | I hope it's not a violation to post this here. We have applied to GSoC for the first time this year, but we didn't get in. So we are trying to collect some money via Kickstarter to allow 1-2 students that also didn't get into GSoC to write some code for us: kck.st/11La589 |
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| 17:42.32 | aplavin | marmoute: could you please explain the workflow for my case shortly? it's much easier to change something in it when the main things are clear and working |
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| 19:55.24 | jackass | Good Evening Gentlemen |
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| 20:56.12 | gevaerts | would welcome a gsoc waiting kit :) |
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| 20:57.07 | Achillion | waiting kit ... |
| 20:57.20 | derdon | maybe a big manual with the title "How To Be Patient" is included, who knows |
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| 20:58.11 | Achillion | or a big manual with the title "Manual/Documentation for every single Python package" |
| 20:58.16 | Achillion | That would be awesome |
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| 21:10.38 | Achillion | Though that may become outdated fast |
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| 21:32.14 | waaaaargh | Achillion: crawling git repositories for sphinx-style rst-files should not be too difficult, though. |
| 21:33.30 | derdon | that's so boring about python. almost nothing is a challenge anymore! |
| 21:33.43 | paultag | bah |
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