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| 03:04.30 | introom | what's the workload of gsoc? I am not mentioning the specified 40h per week. I want to know the actually workload your mentors tell you. |
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| 03:05.04 | Catfish_Man | introom: mentors don't assign work. They help you complete your project, and evaluate your work |
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| 03:07.18 | olly | introom: most mentors will expect you to treat it as a full-time job |
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| 03:08.35 | introom | so, what I do could vary from my initial proposal, right? as long as it is under the mentor's agreement? |
| 03:08.36 | chro | I went to the ATM, and a PIN with 6 digits was asked from me |
| 03:09.53 | Catfish_Man | introom: things are pretty flexible yeah |
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| 03:16.26 | olly | introom: if you're taking part this year, probably best to discuss with your mentor(s) |
| 03:17.01 | introom | sure |
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| 13:18.46 | harryxiyou | Carol: are you here? |
| 13:19.24 | kai | most IRC clients have a user list |
| 13:19.35 | kai | mine says she isn't :) |
| 13:19.45 | olly | harryxiyou: also, it's 6:20am in SF |
| 13:19.58 | harryxiyou | kai: thanks |
| 13:20.03 | harryxiyou | olly: thanks. |
| 13:20.32 | harryxiyou | olly: when does Carol go to work? |
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| 13:21.19 | kai | during the day, usually |
| 13:21.22 | olly | i don't follow her movements in detail, but I don't know many people who are at work at 6:20am |
| 13:21.33 | paultag | I just sat down and it's 9:30 EST |
| 13:21.34 | olly | at least not office workers |
| 13:21.40 | gevaerts | I do, but then some of my coworkers are insane :) |
| 13:21.47 | harryxiyou | ;-) |
| 13:21.52 | kai | if you want timezone-robust communication, use email |
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| 13:22.03 | harryxiyou | kai: yeah, i think so. |
| 13:22.15 | harryxiyou | I have not received my welcome package |
| 13:22.57 | kai | you'll probably want to email for that in any case |
| 13:23.52 | harryxiyou | Yeah, i have sent and Christian Pfrommer said mine had an incorrect Zip Code |
| 13:24.09 | harryxiyou | And i sent him my informations again. |
| 13:24.28 | harryxiyou | Now, I am waiting for my welcome package track ID. |
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| 13:24.44 | kai | when was that? |
| 13:25.12 | harryxiyou | June 26 |
| 13:25.28 | harryxiyou | yesterday |
| 13:25.28 | kai | well, then you just might need to wait a bit |
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| 13:26.11 | harryxiyou | Yeah, i think so. |
| 13:26.25 | harryxiyou | But Christian Pfrommer said he would send me my welcome package today |
| 13:26.46 | harryxiyou | So I just wanna ask if he has sent out my welcome package. |
| 13:27.01 | harryxiyou | And tell me my package track ID. |
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| 13:27.54 | harryxiyou | Has anyone else not received his/her welcome package? |
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| 13:39.31 | chro | anyone here already increased the ATM withdraw limit ? |
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| 13:40.52 | toso | chro: check the mailist |
| 13:41.05 | chro | I increased to 4000 |
| 13:41.15 | chro | the operator told me that was the maximum |
| 13:41.53 | toso | nice :) |
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| 13:42.29 | chro | toso: did you increased your limit ? |
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| 13:42.47 | toso | chro: no. I dont need. |
| 13:43.40 | gevaerts | harryxiyou: to be fair, "today" hasn;t started yet for them |
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| 13:44.41 | harryxiyou | gevaerts: Yeah, thanks very much ;-) |
| 13:45.13 | chro | I don't understand what the girl says after I ask for the increase |
| 13:46.14 | chro | maybe I will call her again |
| 13:47.09 | notdan | I was wondering if it's ok for me not to withdraw money from my card and just use it as a normal credit card |
| 13:47.28 | notdan | I kinda don't want to have loads of cash on my hands |
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| 13:51.21 | daimrod | notdan: IIRC citiprepaid charges 3$/month that's why google encourages you to withdraw the money ASAP |
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| 13:52.01 | gevaerts | I believe historically there have also been some issues with fraud (i.e. people stealing card details or something) |
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| 13:52.48 | gevaerts | Ideally you'd transfer everything to a regular bank account straight away I guess, but I don't know the exact trade-offs |
| 13:53.30 | daimrod | maybe the bank takes an extra fee |
| 13:53.50 | kenzo450D | does citi allow users to flush the card to another bank account? as in a swift transfer (i do not have much idea of this) |
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| 13:54.33 | daimrod | kenzo450D: it is possible to make a bank transfer via the website |
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| 14:00.46 | sharky93 | is it okay, if i activate the card some time later ? |
| 14:01.08 | sharky93 | i mean if its not active, there's no chance of anything like fraud ? |
| 14:01.31 | sharky93 | my plan is to activate a bit later and then, transfer it all |
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| 14:04.11 | Somay | sharky93: Yes, you can do that ! |
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| 14:04.31 | Somay | I don't think anyone will steal you money |
| 14:04.35 | Somay | your* |
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| 14:10.15 | notdan | daimrod: hm $3 per month, I didn't know that. But I think I can handle it, I believe my bank charges me around the same |
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| 14:13.08 | gevaerts | sharky93: I don't think you'll get money on it before you activate |
| 14:13.13 | gevaerts | isn't sure though |
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| 14:19.42 | thunderstruck | gevaerts, sharky93: The card is activated when you get it. |
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| 14:19.56 | paultag | the card can be activated when you get it |
| 14:20.05 | paultag | but you have to activate it, ISTR |
| 14:20.22 | thunderstruck | paultag: you have to set up a PIN, but the comes activated. |
| 14:20.30 | thunderstruck | but the card* |
| 14:20.32 | paultag | ah |
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| 14:24.25 | sharky93 | thunderstruck: and obv. without a PIN one cannot trade money off it |
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| 14:24.57 | sharky93 | Somay: ah, that is quite reassuring :P |
| 14:25.05 | gevaerts | No, but someone else might set up a PIN more easily |
| 14:26.02 | sharky93 | gevaerts: hmm i see that now.. but it is surely not that easy :P .. |
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| 14:26.58 | gevaerts | I don't know. I'd hope so, but I don't have the right kind of mind to think about that sort of thing :) |
| 14:27.12 | sharky93 | :) |
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| 14:28.25 | olly | if it were me, I'd get the money off the card promptly |
| 14:28.59 | paultag | quite |
| 14:29.04 | kai | I seem to recall that citi had some problems with accounts being emptied pretty much every year |
| 14:29.33 | sharky93 | kai: you mean cases of money being stolen? |
| 14:29.41 | olly | yes |
| 14:30.04 | olly | I'm sure I've heard carols say she advises students not to leave money on the cards |
| 14:30.41 | gevaerts | nods |
| 14:30.43 | kai | well, seeing how money in an account is bits and not real money, I'm a bit fuzzy on the "stealing" part |
| 14:31.04 | kai | but the bits turning into the wrong sort of bits, yes, that happened |
| 14:31.04 | gevaerts | kai: are pieces of paper real money? :) |
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| 14:31.29 | paultag | no, but they were closer to that when they were backed in gold in the us :) |
| 14:31.31 | kai | gevaerts: after reading Pratchett's "Making money", I'm not sure |
| 14:32.34 | sharky93 | :( |
| 14:33.44 | kai | sharky93: so personally I'd move the money from the citi account elsewhere |
| 14:34.15 | olly | kai: bit shifting? |
| 14:34.33 | kai | it probably doesn't help much when I tell you that in the early years of gsoc, the payments were even more of a fuss... |
| 14:34.41 | kai | olly: well, a bit shifty for sure |
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| 14:40.16 | kai | hey Lennie |
| 14:40.34 | Lennie | hi kai |
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| 14:55.44 | galaxyAbstractor | So there have been cases where money was stolen, even tho you didn't give your card number to anyone? |
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| 14:57.27 | chro | galaxyAbstractor, did you increase the daily dollar limit for atm transactions ? |
| 14:57.40 | galaxyAbstractor | Nope, not yet |
| 14:57.46 | chro | can you try it now ? |
| 14:57.54 | galaxyAbstractor | Why? |
| 14:57.58 | armax00 | galaxyAbstractor: did you alredy transfer something? |
| 14:58.21 | armax00 | sharky93: nice idea btw, I did not think about that |
| 14:58.26 | chro | galaxyAbstractor, to know if you can increase up to 4k |
| 14:58.35 | olly | galaxyAbstractor: i don't know the specifics, just the advice from carols |
| 14:58.56 | dfighter | chro you can even up to 5k |
| 14:59.09 | dfighter | but don't expect ANY ATM to give out that much |
| 14:59.15 | galaxyAbstractor | Nope, just wondering. The advice to take the money of the card as fast as possible sounds kinda weird, otherwise that kind of advice could be applied to all kinds of cards, "never have money on your card" |
| 14:59.25 | galaxyAbstractor | The max limit you can raise it to is $1k |
| 14:59.59 | dfighter | galaxyAbstractor, that's contrary to what I read on the mailing list last year |
| 15:00.19 | olly | most cards aren't prepaid though |
| 15:00.48 | chro | galaxyAbstractor, are you sure? you called right now? because I increased mine to 4k |
| 15:01.13 | chro | I said to the girl, I want the maximum |
| 15:01.17 | galaxyAbstractor | I just stated what other people said, but maybe it's possible then |
| 15:01.34 | chro | galaxyAbstractor, because the girl starts by suggesting 1k, but then I said maximum |
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| 15:02.47 | sharky93 | armax00: i now think it is not such a nice idea, since as gevaerts said, somebody else could somehow activate and use it. |
| 15:03.02 | Lojdl_ | Hello, I have one question. Can I use Debian card we |
| 15:03.04 | sharky93 | armax00: it is best to do it yourself while you can :P |
| 15:03.11 | armax00 | :D |
| 15:03.15 | Lojdl_ | got from GSoC for PayPall? |
| 15:03.41 | chro | for atm withdrawal it takes $3.50 + 3% of conversion rate |
| 15:03.53 | chro | any ideas to avoid all those fees |
| 15:03.56 | dfighter | Lojdl_ why couldn't you? |
| 15:04.19 | chro | what do you think of buying bitcoins ? |
| 15:04.20 | dfighter | chro there's no way to avoid it, unless you go to the US and personally take all the money from the bank |
| 15:04.29 | Lojdl_ | dfighter: I don't know. :) |
| 15:04.30 | galaxyAbstractor | sharky93: but then you would have to guess the card number, right? How big is the probability that the guess you make is a valid google prepaid card? |
| 15:04.33 | dfighter | but I suspect even then you'd have some transaction fee |
| 15:05.01 | sharky93 | galaxyAbstractor: i dont know, like gevaerts i would say i dont have the right mind :) and im sure you think the same way? |
| 15:05.23 | dfighter | Lojdl_ it's a totally normal debit card, there's nothing special about it that would keep you from using it like you use other cards... |
| 15:05.32 | dfighter | wherever VISA is accepted, it's accepted... |
| 15:05.37 | chro | what if I associate my card with a paypal account and then transfer the whole money to other paypal account ? |
| 15:05.48 | dfighter | chro then paypal can ban your account |
| 15:06.02 | chro | are you sure? I'm not doing nothing wrong |
| 15:06.08 | dfighter | yes you are actually |
| 15:06.10 | chro | since I can transfer money from an account to another |
| 15:06.10 | Lojdl_ | dfighter: When you open account on PayPall it ask for expire date of card. What should I type? |
| 15:06.12 | dfighter | read the terms of service |
| 15:06.24 | dfighter | Lojdl_ it's on the card... |
| 15:06.28 | galaxyAbstractor | Lojdl_: what's printed on the card |
| 15:06.31 | chro | Lojdl_, it's the validity |
| 15:06.59 | Lojdl_ | 05/15? |
| 15:07.02 | dfighter | chro you can transfer from account to account, but not from card to your own account |
| 15:07.10 | Lojdl_ | Sorry guys... |
| 15:07.15 | gevaerts | wouldn't underestimate paypal costs |
| 15:07.17 | dfighter | Lojdl_ if that is printed on your card... |
| 15:07.31 | chro | dfighter, I can transfer from paypal with card to my brother account |
| 15:07.34 | galaxyAbstractor | dfighter: you could transfer from the card to another account too |
| 15:07.36 | chro | I did that in the past |
| 15:07.46 | dfighter | chro but not your own account |
| 15:07.50 | galaxyAbstractor | but I'm uncertain about the ToS, but I can't see why that would be against the ToS? |
| 15:07.52 | Lojdl_ | It is month and year. I was looking at it and thinking how could it be just until 15th May. |
| 15:07.58 | galaxyAbstractor | The fees would be huge tho |
| 15:08.27 | TongboS | if you leave your citi prepaid untouched then citi will charge you. I think that's why carol says you'd better get the money out |
| 15:08.30 | chro | I think the fees are lower through paypal |
| 15:08.33 | chro | however not sure |
| 15:08.43 | chro | if it's less than 3% is OK |
| 15:08.51 | galaxyAbstractor | TongboS: Yeah, but that's after 6 months of no activity :P |
| 15:09.05 | chro | galaxyAbstractor, wrong |
| 15:09.09 | galaxyAbstractor | Well, you have to take in account the conversation rate too |
| 15:09.10 | chro | there is a monthly fee |
| 15:09.18 | chro | maintenance fee |
| 15:09.22 | TongboS | galaxyAbstractor: sure 6 months? I thought it was 90 days |
| 15:09.27 | galaxyAbstractor | chro: it says in the fineprint that it starts collecting after 6 months |
| 15:09.33 | galaxyAbstractor | or maybe I understood that wrong |
| 15:10.12 | dfighter | galaxyAbstractor it's against the TOS, because it's suspect credit card fraud |
| 15:10.26 | chro | ok, I just read that there is a monthly maintenance fee |
| 15:10.36 | dfighter | using the credit card is cheaper ( in terms of interest rate ) than getting money out of the ATM |
| 15:10.46 | dfighter | there's even a legal name for this kind of fraud |
| 15:10.49 | chro | dfighter, but it's not fraud. Is legit |
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| 15:10.57 | chro | what about buying bitcoins ? |
| 15:11.01 | dfighter | btw I know this because last year I wanted to do that too |
| 15:11.11 | dfighter | so I looked up things |
| 15:11.13 | dfighter | even asked paypal |
| 15:11.24 | galaxyAbstractor | dfighter: but that would take away all possibilities of paying back personal debts and such wouldn't it? |
| 15:11.48 | dfighter | galaxyAbstractor I don't see how |
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| 15:12.32 | galaxyAbstractor | If I want to pay my roommate my share of rent trough paypal, how would I do it without having money or a card on my account? It kinda takes away the purpose |
| 15:13.00 | TongboS | paypal just take money from your bank account |
| 15:13.07 | TongboS | if you dont have card |
| 15:13.13 | TongboS | if you dont have account, then sorry |
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| 15:13.23 | TongboS | i guess thats how it works |
| 15:13.27 | dfighter | galaxyAbstractor, but you're talking about sending money to someone else |
| 15:13.39 | dfighter | that's different than getting the money yourself |
| 15:13.48 | dfighter | get it now? |
| 15:14.01 | galaxyAbstractor | Yeah, it kinda got offtopic from that you can't send to your self, I get it |
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| 15:14.18 | galaxyAbstractor | But the way you said it it sounds like you aren't allowed to send money to someone else either |
| 15:14.45 | chro | dfighter, but I can send to my brother and then ask him for the money |
| 15:15.03 | dfighter | chro yea, sure |
| 15:15.14 | dfighter | altough I sure wouldn't trust anyone with my money :) |
| 15:15.28 | chro | eheh in family I trust |
| 15:15.32 | TongboS | then what's the diff from you creating two paypal accounts |
| 15:15.36 | galaxyAbstractor | There's a Swedish equalient to PayPal that allows you to withdraw money from your card to your service account then into your bank, but there is a 3% fee apparently, making it a lot more expensive than withdrawing the money from an ATM 13 times |
| 15:15.47 | chro | TongboS, I think it's against the ToS creating 2 accounts for yourself |
| 15:16.11 | chro | galaxyAbstractor, what's the fee for paypal ? |
| 15:16.21 | galaxyAbstractor | No idea, I rarely use PayPal |
| 15:17.49 | chro | this is not working for me: https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/paypal-fees |
| 15:18.27 | TongboS | if you use bank acct then free |
| 15:18.40 | TongboS | if you use card then 2.9%+ |
| 15:19.06 | gevaerts | 3% *really* isn't expensive in the world of international money transfers |
| 15:19.15 | chro | 2.9%+ Ok, I think it does not worth it |
| 15:19.24 | dfighter | btw last year I used xe.com to get the money off the card. Sadly since we no longer have the web interface available I can't use it this year... |
| 15:19.24 | TongboS | and free is for US only |
| 15:19.26 | galaxyAbstractor | Yeah but then there's the 3% currency exchange fee too |
| 15:20.05 | galaxyAbstractor | dfighter: Any idea why we can't use the web interface? |
| 15:20.15 | dfighter | no clue |
| 15:20.23 | dfighter | probably some legal thingie |
| 15:20.38 | gevaerts | galaxyAbstractor: for these cards, you can technically withdraw USD from the card and have your local bank do the conversion if you like. Shop around a bit :) |
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| 15:21.22 | galaxyAbstractor | Well, my bank actually has 0% currency exchange fee, but I've asked them and they don't allow witdrawal from non-Swedish cards |
| 15:21.31 | chro | would the conversion tax be lower if I go to a citi bank atm? |
| 15:21.38 | TongboS | if you are really crazy about that 3% then you can check some web banks |
| 15:21.40 | TongboS | at your own risk |
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| 15:22.02 | galaxyAbstractor | Also, it's a combined bank and grocery store, only way to withdraw is to do it in the store, and I'm pretty sure they can't give you that much money hehe |
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| 15:30.05 | TongboS | or you can find a forex broker and put money there. If you are lucky enough then maybe you can have more than 5k dollars in the end |
| 15:30.34 | TongboS | perhaps that's a really bad idea in most cases |
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| 15:32.38 | dfighter | TongboS xe.com that I mentioned is a forex broker :) |
| 15:32.49 | dfighter | but how do you propose to transfer all the money? |
| 15:33.06 | dfighter | they don't allow card purchases, only wire, ACH, EFT, etc |
| 15:33.51 | TongboS | card --> paypal --> broker |
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| 15:33.59 | dfighter | hmm |
| 15:34.03 | dfighter | if they allow paypal payments |
| 15:34.08 | dfighter | do you know any that does? |
| 15:34.19 | chro | paypal->broker eats some fees no ? |
| 15:34.25 | gevaerts | You're still assuming that paypal is infinitely cheap |
| 15:34.26 | gevaerts | It's not |
| 15:34.34 | TongboS | lower than banks tho |
| 15:34.48 | TongboS | some doesnt have fees |
| 15:35.02 | TongboS | card --> paypal, no fee i think |
| 15:35.10 | chro | I think as the card is from US and xe is from US, there are no fees involved |
| 15:35.30 | dfighter | xe is from Canada actually |
| 15:35.41 | dfighter | but there's still no fees involved from their part |
| 15:36.02 | dfighter | they had me ACH my money to a US bank |
| 15:36.32 | chro | dfighter, are you from US ? |
| 15:36.32 | TongboS | my experience is that paypal eats your money, broker does not, during transfering |
| 15:36.38 | dfighter | no chro |
| 15:36.44 | dfighter | why would I use a broker then? |
| 15:36.51 | chro | right |
| 15:37.00 | TongboS | cuz you can invest |
| 15:37.03 | TongboS | lol |
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| 15:38.27 | dfighter | TongboS, unfortunately I don't have the luxury to invest |
| 15:38.30 | dfighter | need every dime |
| 15:38.35 | dfighter | can't risk |
| 15:38.51 | TongboS | that's why i say it's probably a bad idea |
| 15:38.57 | TongboS | but it is one idea, anyway |
| 15:39.15 | chro | there are guys accepting amazon giftcards in exchange of some bitcoins |
| 15:39.28 | chro | and I think there are no fees involved to get an amazon gift card |
| 15:39.44 | TongboS | bitcoins fluctuating too much |
| 15:40.05 | chro | TongboS, they are increasing a lot |
| 15:40.09 | chro | their value |
| 15:40.19 | TongboS | and perhaps will drop 100% the next minute |
| 15:40.31 | chro | but you can instantly sell your bitcoins to your currency |
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| 15:41.34 | TongboS | but you cant ensure that guy will send you your coins when you give him your giftcard |
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| 15:41.41 | TongboS | and during that time diff |
| 15:41.47 | TongboS | it's risky |
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| 15:42.26 | chro | TongboS, I checked the guy reputation, and the feedback is 100% positive |
| 15:42.36 | chro | it did like a dozen of transaction |
| 15:42.39 | chro | he* |
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| 15:43.05 | TongboS | anyway im conservative |
| 15:43.14 | chro | in #bitcoin-otc you can check that |
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| 15:52.51 | TongboS | wait, if you give giftcard for coins, and them sell coins, why don't you just buy coins and sell? |
| 15:53.42 | TongboS | us dollar --> giftcard --> coins --> your dollar |
| 15:53.51 | TongboS | and us dollar --> coins --> your dollar |
| 15:55.05 | Achillion | Are people talking about trying to get out of paying exchange and transaction fees? |
| 15:55.11 | galaxyAbstractor | I have yet to see an exchange that lets you buy bitcoins with a credit/debit card |
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| 15:55.42 | galaxyAbstractor | Oh right, giftcard in the middle |
| 15:55.49 | galaxyAbstractor | sounds too much of an hassle |
| 15:55.59 | Achillion | That's what I was thinking |
| 15:57.10 | Achillion | The rate of money saved / time spent would probably be less than half minimum wage :P |
| 15:57.53 | TongboS | bitcoin rate at mtgox today high 104 low 102 |
| 15:57.54 | chro | because there are not many places that accept credit card for coins |
| 15:58.00 | chro | depends on the sellers |
| 15:58.07 | galaxyAbstractor | Not to mention bitcoin has been in a steady downfall last couple of weeks |
| 15:58.16 | TongboS | so if you are out of luck then you will lose about $100 |
| 15:58.19 | galaxyAbstractor | dropping about $1/day |
| 15:58.40 | TongboS | which is about 2% |
| 15:58.48 | TongboS | plus some trade fees |
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| 15:58.57 | chro | thare are no trade fees |
| 15:59.08 | chro | ok the seller may charge a small fee... true |
| 15:59.24 | TongboS | if you do via a broker |
| 15:59.26 | chro | but you can also charge that same fee (or higher) when you sell |
| 15:59.35 | galaxyAbstractor | Then you need to find buyers too, I checked with a Swedish exchange. At their current buy price I would have to place a buy order for 50 bitcoins and hope someone sells me that much for that price, which is unlikely |
| 15:59.59 | galaxyAbstractor | Then I have to sell everything for a little more to cover fees, which is unlikely too |
| 16:01.12 | galaxyAbstractor | If I would just sell all 50 bitcoins at once filling buy orders, I would have filled so many buy orders the price would drop by 50% lol |
| 16:01.15 | chro | the idea is to buy something/do a transaction in US (so that there are no fees), and then try to sell that to our local currency and get the money |
| 16:01.43 | chro | we can get 5 bitcoins max |
| 16:02.06 | galaxyAbstractor | I was thinking about the entire $5000 now |
| 16:02.09 | chro | with $505 |
| 16:02.10 | chro | ok ok |
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| 19:59.23 | ffledgling | Can non-US students transfer the money into their own account? like an online transfer? rather than taking out the money and lugging it around? |
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| 20:03.00 | dfighter | ffledgling, http://www.picbutler.de/bild/288693/20130626000000342daf8h.jpg |
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| 20:03.54 | ffledgling | dfighter, I read that, what I meant was, can call them up and ask them to transfer money to account with so and so number? |
| 20:04.03 | ffledgling | *can I |
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| 20:04.18 | dfighter | but that is not an online transfer |
| 20:04.26 | dfighter | however I do not know |
| 20:04.30 | dfighter | call them and ask? |
| 20:05.07 | ffledgling | dfighter, by online I meant a wire transfer on their end :) |
| 20:05.53 | dfighter | again call them and ask |
| 20:06.01 | dfighter | I know that from the web interface you could never do that |
| 20:06.04 | dfighter | only do ACH |
| 20:07.01 | ffledgling | dfighter, got it. call and ask |
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| 20:08.00 | dfighter | :) |
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| 20:20.54 | armax00 | did anyone call using skype but from a non-US country? |
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| 20:24.02 | kshitij8 | armax00: yes, call the for US only 1800 number from Skype and it works for free |
| 20:24.05 | pnorman | when I tried calling them last I could only get automated info or report a card stolen |
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| 20:24.37 | pnorman | still need to resolve it, but been on the phone all morning with ebay support :/ |
| 20:24.56 | Lennie | ffledgling, afaik no. You just have to withdraw the entire amount and deposit it with your bank |
| 20:25.44 | ffledgling | Lennie, I see :( |
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| 20:26.24 | pnorman | 10:56 < zeenix> i get rank if i use xml format but not with json format |
| 20:26.24 | pnorman | 10:57 < zeenix> at least for some queries |
| 20:26.26 | pnorman | whoops |
| 20:27.31 | armax00 | kshitij8: very good |
| 20:28.37 | sharky93 | ffledgling: dont worry too much, try to withdraw while we can :P |
| 20:29.01 | ffledgling | sharky93, heh, point. |
| 20:29.45 | armax00 | guys: I see that on the citi.com website there is a "move to a bank account" does anyone know whether this thing could work? |
| 20:30.14 | dfighter | armax00 it works just fine |
| 20:30.59 | armax00 | dfighter: does it work only with US accounts? |
| 20:31.27 | dfighter | armax00 if you are outside the US you are not even supposed to use the online service... |
| 20:31.48 | dfighter | according to this: http://www.picbutler.de/bild/288693/20130626000000342daf8h.jpg |
| 20:31.52 | armax00 | yes that's what I read.. I actually thought it was simply no possible |
| 20:32.23 | dfighter | and yes that thing works with ACH only |
| 20:32.32 | dfighter | so you can only send to a bank that accepts ACH |
| 20:32.33 | armax00 | ah right |
| 20:32.43 | dfighter | and that is US and Canada only |
| 20:32.44 | dfighter | afaik |
| 20:33.07 | armax00 | that's fine no problem I was just trying to find a way to avoid the need to get money and put them back again :D |
| 20:33.15 | armax00 | (funny procedure) |
| 20:34.18 | dfighter | armax00 I did it last year |
| 20:34.25 | dfighter | sent it to xe.com's US account |
| 20:34.44 | dfighter | and they exchanged it for me and sent it to my own account |
| 20:34.47 | dfighter | outside the US |
| 20:34.56 | armax00 | Ah yes you said it |
| 20:35.10 | armax00 | which is not working anymore |
| 20:35.12 | dfighter | but again we're not supposed to be able to have access to the online service |
| 20:35.31 | dfighter | so I don't know if it's a good idea to mess with it |
| 20:35.44 | dfighter | you could get your card invalidated |
| 20:35.53 | dfighter | and then you will have no way of retrieving the money |
| 20:36.23 | dfighter | ( that is if there's a legal reason why we're not supposed to have access ) |
| 20:37.17 | dfighter | I sent an email to Carol asking for clarification about this, but haven't received a reply yet unfortunately |
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| 20:39.01 | sharky93 | dfighter: my friend (outside US) had registered for the online service by mistake, he mailed Carol about it, she said it was ok. |
| 20:39.20 | dfighter | sharky93 she said it was ok to use it? |
| 20:39.25 | dfighter | or that it was an ok mistake |
| 20:39.54 | dfighter | and if it's ok to use it, why is it in the documentation that we will have no access to it? |
| 20:39.57 | dfighter | o.O |
| 20:39.59 | sharky93 | dfighter: not too sure of that.. |
| 20:40.00 | Somay | sharky93: talking about me? :D |
| 20:40.08 | sharky93 | yeah :P |
| 20:40.25 | sharky93 | Somay: please help us out |
| 20:40.33 | Somay | Well, I thought about it. Theoritically, it makes no difference. |
| 20:40.33 | dfighter | Somay so what did she say exactly? |
| 20:40.45 | Somay | she just said it's okay |
| 20:41.10 | Somay | If I am outside US, and using the card to just withdraw money from ATM in India, it makes no difference |
| 20:41.14 | sharky93 | but Somay , dfighter 's query is valid, an ok mistake is quite different :P than, ok use it :) |
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| 20:41.50 | dfighter | ofc it is valid |
| 20:41.55 | dfighter | everything I say / ask is valid ;) |
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| 20:42.12 | dfighter | ( altough sometimes people get offended ) |
| 20:42.32 | chro | hi, anyone here has already withdrew some money ? |
| 20:42.59 | sharky93 | Somay: ^ |
| 20:43.17 | kshitij8 | yes chro |
| 20:43.19 | chro | I'm just asking, because when I insert the card in the ATM it asks me for a 6 digit PIN |
| 20:43.48 | chro | but the pin I set up is only 4 digit |
| 20:44.06 | chro | kshitij8: how long is your pin ? |
| 20:44.22 | Somay | As far I understand it, it is same as if I was living in the US, got this card when I was going on a holiday to say, India and on coming to India, using the money |
| 20:44.24 | kshitij8 | 4digit. and it worked at citibank atm |
| 20:44.59 | chro | thanks, need to call the customer service |
| 20:45.31 | kshitij8 | btw, anybody knows what happens when you run into Negative balance? ;-) |
| 20:45.48 | dfighter | the gremlins eat you alive |
| 20:46.15 | kshitij8 | I'm alive! no gremlins around :P |
| 20:46.58 | kshitij8 | I meant some fine or something? Anything I need to be worried about? |
| 20:47.01 | sharky93 | kshitij8: beware :P .. i've learnt today, everything dfighter says is valid ;) |
| 20:47.39 | kshitij8 | haha..now, Im scared :P |
| 20:47.47 | dfighter | good! :) |
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| 20:48.55 | kshitij8 | !next |
| 20:48.57 | gsocbot | kshitij8: "next" is (#1) Students begin coding for their Google Summer of Code projects, or (#2) Google begins issuing initial student payments provided tax forms are on file and students are in good standing with their communities. |
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| 21:22.24 | chro | anyone has withdrew from a non citi bank atm? |
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| 21:23.11 | dfighter | I did last year chro |
| 21:23.31 | chro | did the atm asked you for 6 digit ? |
| 21:23.46 | dfighter | no |
| 21:23.54 | dfighter | it asked me to type in the PIN |
| 21:24.13 | chro | ok |
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| 21:33.43 | dfighter | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeTWBgBylrs |
| 21:33.52 | dfighter | oups wrong chat |
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| 21:40.11 | dfighter | jojva, that's a relief |
| 21:40.17 | dfighter | at least you are not Darth Vader! |
| 21:41.04 | jojva | ^^ |
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