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| 08:48.04 | hornig | hi there :) |
| 08:48.37 | kai | morning |
| 08:49.04 | hornig | I have a small problem. one person in our org already served as a mentor and now she decided to officially register to the melange system to help me there with the admin stuff |
| 08:49.23 | hornig | I received the notice mail and clicked the link but then error 500 is displayed |
| 08:49.47 | hornig | I have her in my org's connections in dashboard but when I click there then it's the same error |
| 08:50.20 | hornig | any ideas how to circumvent it |
| 08:57.13 | |Kev| | hornig: -> #melange, I guess. |
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| 10:07.18 | hornig | |Kev| I went there but no activity for some time :( |
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| 10:10.17 | kai | hornig: send them an email |
| 10:10.58 | hornig | I'm currently looking for their mailing adress |
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| 11:50.48 | KingInTheNorth | Is it too late for me to join gsoc? |
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| 11:51.59 | Achillion | or early, depending on which gsoc you want to join |
| 11:52.55 | KingInTheNorth | can someone explain how gsoc works? |
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| 11:55.21 | Achillion | I'm going to assume you read the info on the gsoc page itself and just link this for convenience http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_summer_of_code |
| 11:57.22 | KingInTheNorth | K, I have. |
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| 12:46.40 | KingInTheNorth | Read the wiki page, I dont get it |
| 12:46.51 | KingInTheNorth | Is it too latE? |
| 12:47.54 | Achillion | too late for 2013, too early for 2014. I thought your question was "how does it work?", which is why I linked the WP page that explains, in brief, how it works |
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| 12:49.58 | blast007 | KingInTheNorth: It's never too late to start contributing to an open-source project, though. You don't need to wait for if/when GSoC 2014 comes around. |
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| 12:52.15 | blast007 | KingInTheNorth: Find some open-source project that you enjoy using, and help them with some things. Research and report (or even fix) bugs, help improve documentation and translations, etc. Most projects will have a good way of communicating with some of the developers, be it an IRC channel, mailing list, forum, or other means. |
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| 12:53.02 | KingInTheNorth | Blast007. I am working with Drupal OSP, |
| 12:53.12 | KingInTheNorth | But I'd like to get involved with Google SOC |
| 12:53.42 | blast007 | KingInTheNorth: are you a college or university student? |
| 12:54.00 | KingInTheNorth | Does GSOC have to be college or university? |
| 12:54.04 | KingInTheNorth | Im neither |
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| 12:55.01 | blast007 | that's all covered in their FAQ |
| 12:55.06 | blast007 | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page#2._Whos_eligible_to_participate_as_a |
| 12:55.40 | KingInTheNorth | OHHHH |
| 12:55.44 | KingInTheNorth | :( |
| 12:55.44 | KingInTheNorth | OK. |
| 12:55.45 | KingInTheNorth | Thanks. |
| 12:56.25 | blast007 | had he stuck around for another 30 seconds I'd have mentioned Google Code-In.. |
| 12:56.32 | Achillion | he left? |
| 12:56.34 | Achillion | heh |
| 12:56.36 | hyades | lol |
| 12:57.14 | Achillion | It gets weird with disabled join/quits but this channel gets hard to read when I keep them on |
| 12:57.35 | blast007 | I just have a large scrollback buffer ;) |
| 12:57.58 | Achillion | well yes, but sometimes there's 3 lines of dialogue scattered in 50 lines of joins/quits |
| 12:58.23 | blast007 | that what makes it fun. it's like an easter egg hunt. |
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| 12:58.27 | waldi | you can ignore joins and quick |
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| 12:58.36 | blast007 | waldi: you can, depending on your client |
| 12:58.43 | Achillion | waldi: that's what started the conversation :) |
| 12:59.04 | blast007 | oh, you said you can... somehow my brain inserted a "wish" before "you" |
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| 15:36.18 | edcable | hey all just wondering when the student/mentor evaluations would be available. wasn't sure if i missed something or wasn't looking in the right place on melange. |
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| 15:36.50 | armax00 | edcable: I think next week or so |
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| 15:37.07 | edcable | ah okay and will they just show up in melange? |
| 15:39.51 | armax00 | hope so :) |
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| 15:47.19 | kai | heyas carols |
| 15:47.29 | carols | hey kai |
| 15:50.52 | gevaerts | edcable: you'll get an email about it |
| 15:53.25 | kai | how's life in the federal republic of northern california? :) |
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| 15:54.03 | carols | kai: pretty good, thanks. how are things with you? |
| 15:54.17 | JordiGH | The Upper California is still occupied territory, kai. |
| 15:54.25 | JordiGH | Occupied once or twice over, depending whom you ask. |
| 15:54.53 | JordiGH | The Lower California has only been occupied at most once, again depending whom you ask. |
| 15:55.08 | kai | carols: good, having fun playing with electronics at work, which is totally out of my job description :D |
| 15:55.20 | carols | kai: just how things should be ;-) |
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| 16:02.58 | kai | :) |
| 16:03.33 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
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| 16:08.10 | downey | Mmm, tea |
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| 16:21.42 | xchg | tea and cookies are the only reason we are still here |
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| 17:07.07 | chro | Is it necessary to submit something to melange for the midterm evaluation ? |
| 17:07.41 | gevaerts | Yes |
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| 18:13.59 | harryxiyou | carols: are you here? |
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| 18:14.05 | carols | harryxiyou: i am. |
| 18:14.28 | harryxiyou | Yeah, let me talk privately. |
| 18:14.36 | harryxiyou | s/ me / us/ |
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| 18:31.43 | harryxiyou | Carols: Is giftcard=Visa? |
| 18:32.01 | carols | harryxiyou: it's not a gift card, it's a prepaid credit card. and yes, it is made by visa. |
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| 18:33.26 | harryxiyou | But the detiled description of contents say "1 notebook 1 pen 1 sticker 1 giftcard 1 datasheet"? |
| 18:33.46 | harryxiyou | Carols: what is the giftcard? |
| 18:34.01 | harryxiyou | Carols: But the detiled description of contents say "1 notebook 1 pen 1 sticker 1 giftcard 1 datasheet". |
| 18:34.03 | carols | harryxiyou: it's probably what the logistics company put on the customs form. |
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| 18:34.09 | carols | great, ok, then it's a giftcard. |
| 18:34.33 | harryxiyou | Carols: I have sent you the email. Please help me. |
| 18:34.47 | harryxiyou | Carols: Thanks very much ;) |
| 18:34.49 | carols | sure. |
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| 18:35.35 | harryxiyou | Carols: I would wait for you reply. Best wishes to you. |
| 18:35.43 | carols | same to you. |
| 18:35.55 | harryxiyou | Carols: thanks ;) |
| 18:36.09 | harryxiyou | Carols: Bye |
| 18:36.15 | carols | bye |
| 18:36.21 | harryxiyou | :) |
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| 19:07.21 | gwern | carols: I have a hobby of tracking & predicting socs for haskell projects ( http://www.gwern.net/Haskell%20Summer%20of%20Code ) and I was thinking of improving my predictions by setting up a logistic regression for stuff that might matter. but I was wondering if any analyses had been done before (didn't find any searching) since obviously I don't want to waste my time duplicating someone else's work and I was told you were the person to ask. are there any ... |
| 19:07.27 | gwern | ... existing statistical analyses of which SoCs will be successful? |
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| 19:07.56 | carols | gwern: could you please email me? i don't know if i can answer your question without doing some research. |
| 19:08.23 | gwern | carols: I don't know your email address. just 'carolsmith@google.com' |
| 19:08.26 | gwern | ? |
| 19:08.33 | carols | carols@google.com |
| 19:08.40 | gwern | ah. ok then |
| 19:09.01 | JordiGH | Is plain old logistic regression a good model here, gwern? |
| 19:09.24 | gwern | JordiGH: yeah, since the outcome is a binary variable - the student was paid or not |
| 19:09.42 | JordiGH | gwern: That alone is not a good reason to pick a logistic regression. |
| 19:09.49 | variable | wonders if he is the output from gsoc |
| 19:10.00 | gwern | JordiGH: alright, what alternative did you have in mind? |
| 19:10.50 | JordiGH | gwern: There's tons of things you could try. I just wanted to know if you've already done any cross validation to assess goodness of fit. |
| 19:10.54 | gwern | JordiGH: with haskell socs, I am familiar enough with the community that I try to appraise a more general 'success' than just the student being paid, like whether the code actually got widely used by the community etc, and in that case I would be doing an ordinal logistic regression |
| 19:11.11 | JordiGH | Ordinal? Or ordinary? |
| 19:11.20 | gwern | ordinal, since you can't assume continuity |
| 19:11.40 | JordiGH | Isn't "discrete" the antonym of "continuous"? |
| 19:12.12 | gwern | JordiGH: oh heck no I've done no cross-validation! what, you think I'm going to code up something like 50 haskell summers of codes, find out appropriate covariates like gender and age, do a logistic regression, and only *then* go ask 'oh carol has anyone already done this? what, they have? oh, gosh I guess I just wasted the last week.'? |
| 19:12.26 | variable | gwern: you should set up an RSS feed for your website which includes content |
| 19:13.02 | gwern | variable: yeah, I know, but it's not easy to extract the diffs and it's not like more than a few dozen people even subscribe |
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| 19:13.57 | variable | gwern: heh; the essays seem interesting but there is no way I see to get notified of new ones |
| 19:14.07 | JordiGH | gwern: It's not that difficult to do some turnkey logistic regression and validation. |
| 19:14.18 | gwern | JordiGH: it is difficult to get the actual data. that's the problem. |
| 19:14.24 | JordiGH | Everyone and their mother has already coded one of these you can just plug in some variables into. |
| 19:15.45 | gwern | JordiGH: you're not getting it, *I don't have the data*. and I don't have the data because it will take weeks to compile it myself and I'm really interested in whether I can save the effort by getting it from GSoC itself. (it took me like 2+ months to compile the data for my Google product survival analysis, the actual analysis and writeup was like a week) |
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| 19:19.04 | JordiGH | Okay, so we have no idea if plain old logistic regression will be good or not, that's all I was askinng. |
| 19:19.20 | gwern | is there any reason at all to suspect that it won't? |
| 19:19.41 | JordiGH | No, but there isn't any reason to suspect it will either. |
| 19:19.47 | gwern | -_- it's popular pretty much because it works robustly across so many problems... |
| 19:20.19 | gwern | 'we have no reason to suspect it'll work other than that it has worked so often in the past, no reason at all!' |
| 19:20.28 | JordiGH | Oh, it's useful, sure, and if you have no better idea it's ok. You wouldn't go to a neural network unless you started getting tons more features. |
| 19:23.17 | gwern | why crossvalidation and not bootstrapping, incidentally? |
| 19:24.01 | JordiGH | Because they're for different purposes, assuming by "bootstrapping" you mean simulating a larger sample size by sampling from a smaller one. |
| 19:24.12 | gwern | yeah |
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