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| 10:18.53 | Ch3ck | any one has any idea what? |
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| 15:48.55 | Mjolnir | ahh.. gotta love IRCs |
| 15:49.46 | Mjolnir | can anybody here suggest a good mentoring organisation for someone proficient in C and basic Java |
| 15:51.40 | jjs1 | Mjolnir: This isn't quite what you asked for but it might help: https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2013 |
| 15:51.58 | jjs1 | You can type 'java' or 'C' in to the 'Tags' box |
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| 15:53.35 | JordiGH | Mjolnir: I think it's more important to look by what they do than in what language they happen to do it in. |
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| 15:56.20 | daimrod | IMO the organization doesn't matter, what matter is the project on which you would like to work. |
| 15:57.26 | jjs1 | I think the project you would like to work on doesn't matter, what matters is the color of the t-shirt. |
| 15:58.00 | jjs1 | Ok, only joking :-) |
| 16:01.15 | JordiGH | daimrod: I actually really hate people who submit proposals to my org that have nothing to do with my org. |
| 16:01.24 | JordiGH | daimrod: Most other mentors tend to feel the same way. |
| 16:01.47 | JordiGH | So, "come up with a project and then find some org who'll mentor it" is typically the wrong way around to work for GSoC. |
| 16:01.57 | |Kev| | Could be lucky. |
| 16:02.00 | |Kev| | Odds aren't good. |
| 16:02.08 | JordiGH | Yeah, I mean, it could work. |
| 16:03.02 | JordiGH | I've been *tempted* to try to lure some of those so-called spammy proposals just because the actual proposal had all of the exciting buzzwords and I could sort of contort it into my org. |
| 16:03.43 | |Kev| | To be fair, the coverage of orgs in GSoC is so wide and varied, that you probably could find an org at least fairly suitable for any given idea. |
| 16:04.08 | |Kev| | s/any given/almost any given/ |
| 16:04.19 | Achillion | the thing that brought me to gsoc was the actual project subject rather than the desire to participate |
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| 16:04.38 | Achillion | oh!! neat |
| 16:04.42 | Achillion | s/neat/awesome |
| 16:04.46 | Achillion | s/neat/awesome/ |
| 16:04.48 | Achillion | woops |
| 16:04.50 | Achillion | anyway |
| 16:04.51 | Achillion | :D |
| 16:08.46 | daimrod | JordiGH: I see what you mean, but as a student, I really like the fact that I choose my project. |
| 16:09.11 | JordiGH | daimrod: The point of GSoC isn't to sponsor your project. It's to get you interested in an org. |
| 16:10.21 | JordiGH | For the truly remarkable and rare students whose projects are just so awesome that they must absolutely be sponsored even if no org is interested in them, you can pick Google itself as your mentor org. |
| 16:10.24 | JordiGH | This is very rare, though. |
| 16:12.08 | |Kev| | daimrod: One thing to consider is that by choosing projects relevant to an org you're much more likely to get opportunities to learn fun stuff from the org, and to see your stuff get used. |
| 16:13.59 | daimrod | I didn't mean that I've choosen a personal project, but rather that I've choosen a project that I like. Then I've looked for the org. |
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| 16:16.17 | Mjolnir | jjsl: sorry for the late reply. Thanks a lot! |
| 16:16.30 | JordiGH | daimrod: If I knew this was your intention, I wouldn't accept you at all. My primary motivation for choosing students is looking for those who look like they will become long-term contributors to my org. |
| 16:16.45 | Mjolnir | JordiGH: sorry for the late reply. Thanks a lot! |
| 16:17.54 | daimrod | JordiGH: I don't see how it is related, I'll continue to work for the project when the gsoc is over :/ |
| 16:18.13 | JordiGH | daimrod: What's the specific project and org? |
| 16:18.27 | daimrod | I'm working on Emacs under the GNU umbrella. |
| 16:18.29 | Mjolnir | Its a Trap :P |
| 16:18.36 | JordiGH | daimrod: And what's your project? |
| 16:18.47 | daimrod | The emacs-xwidget thing |
| 16:18.53 | JordiGH | url plz |
| 16:19.14 | daimrod | http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsXWidgets |
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| 16:20.01 | JordiGH | daimrod: Ok, but if you're already an Emacser, I can't imagine how you'd stop being one. ;-) |
| 16:20.25 | |Kev| | Surely if you've decided you want to work on xwidgets in emacs, you didn't need to then "look for an org"? |
| 16:21.24 | Mjolnir | |Kev||: exactly |
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| 16:21.59 | JordiGH | daimrod: Yeah, this doesn't sound like the typical spammy proposal. For example, some student wants to make robots. Said student writes a beautiful proposal about how she's gonna write software to make robots play rugby and a detailed description of the goals and deliverables. Said student then copies this proposal verbatim to the Apache foundation, GNU, KDE, and the Blender foundation. |
| 16:22.14 | Achillion | vim > emacs anyway *holy war ensues* |
| 16:22.19 | daimrod | At the beginning I thought Emacs had to be an org. |
| 16:22.34 | JordiGH | daimrod: No, you're talking about something else, about umbrella orgs. |
| 16:22.47 | JordiGH | daimrod: It just so happened that Emacs is a sort of sub-org under GNU. |
| 16:23.05 | Mjolnir | Achillion: True dat! |
| 16:23.27 | daimrod | yes, but I learned it after, not before I've choosen the project. |
| 16:23.34 | JordiGH | daimrod: "Emacs" isn't the project I'm thinking about. Xwidgets in Emacs is the project. The org is GNU, and Emacs is the "sub-project". |
| 16:23.41 | JordiGH | Er, the "sub-org". |
| 16:23.44 | JordiGH | emacs is the sub-org |
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| 16:26.25 | JordiGH | daimrod: Also, you understand this now makes you a brother-at-arms with GNU. |
| 16:26.57 | JordiGH | Because I imagine you must have signed the FSF papers. |
| 16:26.58 | daimrod | JordiGH: yeah, I'll even be at the GHM o/ |
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| 18:49.34 | carols | happy monday everyone |
| 18:50.13 | paultag | noms |
| 18:50.22 | paultag | carols: back atcha :) |
| 18:50.29 | carols | thanks :-) |
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| 21:22.29 | Achillion | Happy thursday from this side of the pond |
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| 21:24.26 | MatthewWilkes | Thursday? That's a big pond. |
| 21:24.57 | Achillion | oh |
| 21:24.58 | Achillion | OH! |
| 21:24.59 | Achillion | ha! |
| 21:25.11 | Achillion | Happy Tuesday from this side of the pond |
| 21:25.12 | gevaerts | Last Thursday or next Thursday? |
| 21:25.16 | jjs1 | Are you a time traveller? =] |
| 21:25.27 | Achillion | We are all time travellers |
| 21:25.41 | Achillion | ttp://xkcd.com/630/ |
| 21:25.54 | jjs1 | It's not something I put on my resumé |
| 21:26.14 | Achillion | exactly ... because we all are |
| 21:26.40 | jjs1 | ´ |
| 21:27.01 | Achillion | I have 0 sense of what day of the week it is these days |
| 21:27.31 | Achillion | I should take weekends more seriously |
| 21:28.34 | jjs1 | Take Mondays and Fridays off instead. I hear they are the least productive days anyway. :-) |
| 21:28.59 | Achillion | might be a good idea |
| 21:29.01 | Achillion | I'll try it |
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| 21:30.57 | jjs1 | Good luck Future Achillion :-) |
| 21:31.32 | Achillion | you too, jjs1 of arbitrary temporality |
| 21:32.02 | gevaerts | is all present an accounted for |
| 21:32.15 | jjs1 | zing! |
| 21:32.19 | Achillion | heh |
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| 21:39.16 | jjs1 | I always end up buried in Wikipedia articles after talking on here |
| 21:39.26 | jjs1 | For example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_days_of_the_week#Days_numbered_from_Monday |
| 21:39.55 | jjs1 | I'm not sure I'd like to use the ISO 8601 version :-) |
| 21:40.44 | Achillion | hm ... I've always been of the Sunday=1 persuasion |
| 21:41.05 | MatthewWilkes | Achillion: Your week starts on saturday? |
| 21:41.31 | gevaerts | :) |
| 21:41.42 | Achillion | my week array is 1-indexed |
| 21:42.34 | gevaerts | To be honest, in my world, a week that starts on Saturday makes a *lot* more sense than one that starts on Sunday |
| 21:42.50 | Achillion | but the sunday=1 makes more sense to me because of the greek names of the days |
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| 21:43.12 | Achillion | monday, tuesday, wednesday and thursday are literally called second, third, fourth and fifth |
| 21:43.29 | gevaerts | Achillion: what are your months called? |
| 21:43.45 | Achillion | similar names to english |
| 21:44.04 | gevaerts | So which one is first? :) |
| 21:44.14 | gevaerts | assumes March |
| 21:44.34 | Achillion | I wasn't aware that there are different versions of month numbering |
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| 21:44.52 | gevaerts | Well, starting in March is the only way that makes the names make sense |
| 21:45.16 | Achillion | how so? |
| 21:45.31 | gevaerts | So if you start the week on Sunday because that's how the names work, you should be consistent :) |
| 21:46.00 | gevaerts | It doesn't matter up to August, because all of the early ones got renamed at some point, but what does September mean? |
| 21:46.45 | Achillion | ah, yes |
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| 21:47.18 | Achillion | well, fortunately, there's no ambiguity when it comes to month numbering because the start of the year is a marked event |
| 21:47.38 | gevaerts | Well... |
| 21:48.00 | gevaerts | The start of the *Gregorian* year is unambiguous |
| 21:48.01 | Achillion | and expressing dates numerically is extremely common |
| 21:48.10 | gevaerts | But so are the starts of lots of other years :) |
| 21:49.24 | Achillion | Just saying, growing up, wherever that is, the start of the year is ingrained in your daily routine. Weekdays on the other hand, not so much |
| 21:49.25 | jjs1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Year_in_other_calendars |
| 21:49.57 | Achillion | so if you grow up calling several days with names of numbers, it's hard to break the thought, since there's really no need to think of the numbering of days |
| 21:50.18 | gevaerts | I'm not sure I agree |
| 21:50.38 | gevaerts | When I grew up, the start of the week was just as precise as the start of the year |
| 21:50.50 | gevaerts | It just wasn't the same as yours :) |
| 21:50.59 | gevaerts | is used to weeks starting on Monday |
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| 21:52.35 | jjs1 | See? gevaerts abides by ISO 8601. :-) |
| 21:52.50 | gevaerts | Parts of it, anyway :) |
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| 21:53.17 | Achillion | weekly routines starting on monday is one thing, numbering months throughout your life is another. if, in one's mind, the "days off" are the first and last day of each week, there's really no reason for you to think otherwise. you're never asked to write down the day-of-week numerically |
| 21:54.18 | jjs1 | Achillion, ah I see what you're getting at now. |
| 21:54.33 | gevaerts | Well, I think I get the point, but I still disagree |
| 21:54.39 | Achillion | fair enough |
| 21:54.44 | jjs1 | But originally it was just the seventh day that was a day off :-) |
| 21:55.33 | jjs1 | (yet another link to Wikipedia) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabbat |
| 21:55.58 | Achillion | Yeah, I kinda guessed that was what you were referring to |
| 21:56.23 | gevaerts | I'm not trying to imply one weekday numbering is better than any other (because they're all equal in my mind), I'm just claiming that the weekday numbering you use is probably just as ingrained as the month numbering you use |
| 21:56.40 | Achillion | well yes, I agree completely |
| 21:56.49 | gevaerts | thinks there should be a midweek day, which should be day 0, and the other days should be numbered from -3 to 3 |
| 21:56.56 | Achillion | heh |
| 21:57.07 | Achillion | I'd actually love to try a 10-day week |
| 21:57.21 | Achillion | 7 days work, 3 days weekend |
| 21:57.34 | Achillion | 3 weeks a month, 30 days a month |
| 21:57.43 | Achillion | and the last 5 days of the year are special :D |
| 21:58.03 | gevaerts | Yes, you want 4% more weekend :) |
| 21:59.11 | Achillion | not to mention I often feel like it takes me 2-3 days to get up to speed with work some weeks and I end up doing most work on Friday and then think that it would be nice to go to work for another day or two and take some days off after that |
| 21:59.34 | Achillion | maybe I'm just weird though :| |
| 22:01.54 | jjs1 | Personally I'm in favour of Midweek Day. |
| 22:02.07 | Achillion | -3 day sounds fun |
| 22:02.35 | jjs1 | You could plot weeks on a saw wave |
| 22:02.51 | Achillion | plotting is definitely fun |
| 22:03.37 | jjs1 | Then every day could have a pitch |
| 22:03.49 | gevaerts | Plotting against what though? |
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| 22:05.57 | jjs1 | gevaerts: To be honest, I'm not sure where I'm going with that |
| 22:06.40 | jjs1 | You and Achillion seem to be the masters of this type of conversation |
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| 22:16.21 | Achillion | plotting to destroy the world!!!! |
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| 22:48.48 | ThomasWaldmann | btw, to fellow mentors/admins from outside the US: beware of fake ESTA sites |
| 22:49.45 | ThomasWaldmann | https://esta.cbp.dhs.gov/esta/ < that is the correct site, no matter what you favourite search engine is giving you on the first page. |
| 22:50.19 | ThomasWaldmann | and it costs USD 14 (if you get accepted), not more. |
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