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| 12:40.39 | CJJ | Hi i am new here. |
| 12:40.48 | Achillion | We all are. |
| 12:41.08 | Achillion | Sorry. Wrong window. |
| 12:41.15 | CJJ | Can anybody suggest me a good open source project i could start with |
| 12:41.16 | Achillion | Hello CJJ :) |
| 12:41.35 | CJJ | i mean i am not experienced with open source projects |
| 12:42.42 | kai | CJJ: what open source programs do you use? |
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| 12:42.53 | CJJ | so something base for me to have a hands on experience which will be comparitivly easy |
| 12:42.54 | Achillion | Well, best way to gain experience in such things is by doing, I believe. You could start with something you use yourself. |
| 12:43.06 | CJJ | python |
| 12:43.22 | CJJ | android :P |
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| 12:48.18 | kai | then start with those |
| 12:48.35 | kai | or, if you don't find them exciting, start using more open source software :) |
| 12:49.13 | CJJ | ok but can u suggest me what i can do for a project |
| 12:50.01 | Achillion | Start with the simple stuff. Check out the code, play around with it, try to fix some of the simpler bugs on the bug tracker. |
| 12:51.04 | CJJ | ok thanks |
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| 14:22.35 | sayak | Hi, I had a query about how to show my work during past gsoc as part of my visa application for the USA. Can anyone here please help me? |
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| 14:28.44 | kai | sayak: you mean as in "paid internship with OSS org $FOO"? |
| 14:29.01 | sayak | kind of. |
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| 14:29.28 | sayak | the Visa application requires me to submit my employment information for the last five years |
| 14:30.00 | sayak | and as such I'm not quite sure about what details to fill out in the form |
| 14:30.22 | sayak | it requires me to submit an employer name and address |
| 14:30.39 | sayak | with the job title and Supervisor's name |
| 14:31.09 | sayak | I'm a bit confused how how to fill up these details |
| 14:31.37 | sayak | can you please give me some idea about how to go about this |
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| 14:32.03 | kai | isn't that covered in the student guide? |
| 14:32.28 | sayak | I have been looking for it in the FAQ but couldn't find it |
| 14:34.36 | olly | I think there's details somewhere of how to describe it in your CV/resume |
| 14:34.41 | olly | but this isn't quite the same |
| 14:35.17 | kai | not in the FAQ, I think, in the gsoc student guide book |
| 14:35.25 | kai | !studentguide | sayak |
| 14:35.26 | sayak | Also, I remember seeing something related to representing your work in a cv in the student guide last year but cant quite find it now! :-/ |
| 14:35.26 | gsocbot | sayak: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 14:36.03 | MatthewWilkes | sayak: "While in the program you will not be employed by Google." - from the FAQ |
| 14:36.30 | sayak | MatthewWilkes, exactly why I'm confused |
| 14:37.10 | MatthewWilkes | "NOTHING HEREIN SHALL BE DEEMED TO CREATE AN AGENCY, PARTNERSHIP, JOINT VENTURE, EMPLOYEE-EMPLOYER OR FRANCHISOR-FRANCHISEE RELATIONSHIP OF ANY KIND BETWEEN GOOGLE AND YOU OR OTHER PERSON OR ENTITY" |
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| 14:37.24 | sayak | Since I'm not an employee of Google and yet Google is paying me a stipend, how do I show it? |
| 14:37.29 | MatthewWilkes | It's pretty clear, you weren't employed by google, so you don't have to put in a job title or supervisor name |
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| 14:38.28 | Achillion | No need to yell ... |
| 14:38.29 | sayak | then how do I show it? :-/ |
| 14:38.48 | olly | Achillion: tell lawyers that |
| 14:38.54 | Achillion | I know, right? |
| 14:39.23 | kai | MatthewWilkes: but I seem to recall that in 2005, we were technically independent contractors.. at least as far as the IRS was concerned |
| 14:39.44 | MatthewWilkes | kai: Indeed, but that was when they had the W8-BEN forms |
| 14:39.51 | MatthewWilkes | They don't need to submit those and get an EIN anymore |
| 14:39.53 | kai | right |
| 14:40.10 | olly | there's still a tax form isn't there? |
| 14:40.44 | kai | olly: I thought it's just a form-free letter stating you're not a resident of the US, and not in the US during gsoc |
| 14:40.52 | sayak | so how does one show their earnings from GSoC as? |
| 14:40.58 | kai | no need to prove you're a non-resident alien |
| 14:41.00 | sayak | pretty confusing situation |
| 14:41.08 | olly | kai: not sure, i haven't seen it... |
| 14:41.43 | kai | I had to go the W8-BEN route, and it was valid for the whole time I was a gsoc student, so I didn't care |
| 14:41.44 | sayak | as far as employment is concerned its pretty clear that Google isn't the employer |
| 14:42.01 | kai | independent contract work isn't employment at all |
| 14:42.12 | kai | at least not in my jurisdiction |
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| 14:42.32 | kai | this is tax and employment law, that's even more crazy than the regular stuff |
| 14:42.46 | kai | and of course the usual IANAL disclaimer applies |
| 14:42.56 | sayak | In that scenario it should I not show GSoC as an employment? |
| 14:43.20 | kai | well, we just established that you were not employed by anybody |
| 14:43.41 | kai | for all I know, google pays you for delivering a tarball of sourcecode |
| 14:44.30 | MatthewWilkes | If I had to guess, I'd it's probably independent contractor still, with the onus on the student to notify the local authorities |
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| 14:44.55 | kai | yeah |
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| 14:45.51 | sayak | exactly, but the earning was from a US based company which means that it should be disclosed somehow |
| 14:45.54 | kai | I guess if I had wanted to do GSoC as a student, I'd have to get the OK from my employer :) |
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| 14:48.32 | kai | not that I'd have the time, or could convince anybody that I needed to get started with OSS |
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| 17:37.30 | Achillion | wonders where he'll get his free coffee from next month. |
| 17:38.57 | carols | Achillion: quite the quandry. |
| 17:39.28 | Achillion | I guess I'll just have to spend my gsoc money on coding fuel. |
| 17:39.50 | meflin | the downside to gsoc is the massive wave of dev's caffeine withdrawals when its over |
| 17:40.04 | carols | a true tragedy. |
| 17:40.52 | Achillion | Dem morning jitters |
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| 17:47.52 | gsocbot | ace_striker: "next" is Google begins issuing mid-term student payments provided passing student survey is on file. |
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| 18:45.28 | Ch3ck_ | Is it possible for GSoC participants attending the Doc Camp to collect their final packages at Mountain View? |
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| 21:05.42 | jjs1 | #gsoc: I've been using a home server with remote desktop to idle on IRC 24/7, but it's out of action for now. Can anyone here recommend a replacement tool or service? |
| 21:06.09 | scorche|sh | this is what ssh + screen + irssi is for |
| 21:06.10 | jjs1 | PS this is *sort of* on topic because I was using the server for my GSoC. :-) |
| 21:06.15 | scorche|sh | however, that is a bit off-topic for this channel |
| 21:06.29 | meflin | yes ... replace server with new server |
| 21:07.40 | jjs1 | scorche|sh: I'll take a look at that, thanks. |
| 21:08.05 | jjs1 | meflin: Actually it's the router that my new ISP gave me that's causing problems. :-) |
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| 21:09.10 | sharky93 | jjs1: i had faced the same problem earlier.. IRC bouncers are a good workaround.. i used panicBNC then |
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| 21:12.27 | jjs1 | sharky93: I just read about BNCs. I don't think we've had the same problem. :-) Mine is actually that the new router doesn't play nicely with the other routers in my house. |
| 21:12.40 | jjs1 | But now this *is* starting to feel off-topic. :-) |
| 21:13.54 | Achillion | jjs1: rent a vps, use screen + irssi |
| 21:14.04 | sharky93 | jjs1: ah, i missed your later message, nevermind |
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| 21:15.51 | jjs1 | Achillion: Maybe after GSoC I can afford to do that. Hehe |
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| 21:18.23 | jjs1 | Achillion: Funnily enough I was actually planning to do just that with some of my GSoC money. I want to use a CI tool to make live builds of my dissertation. :-) |
| 21:18.56 | Achillion | You can get a low specced vps for something like $5/month |
| 21:19.01 | Achillion | or €5 |
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| 21:21.31 | perepujal | jjs1: some channels like #gsoc keeps a log, depending on your needs you don't need anything else |
| 21:23.02 | jjs1 | perepujal: I need something else. :-) |
| 21:23.54 | jjs1 | This is probably a good time to end the conversation. |
| 21:23.59 | jjs1 | thinks it's not a good idea to defy someone with +o |
| 21:24.35 | Darrel | :D |
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