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| 10:01.48 | John___ | Hey guys, GCI is soon to come - so I was wondering are these companies associated with GCI the only ones or will there be any late entries too? (including scripting languages)O |
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| 10:17.38 | olly | John___: they aren't generally speaking companies |
| 10:18.04 | olly | i'd be very surprised if more are accepted |
| 10:18.42 | Darrel | no, these are the organizations for this year of GCI, they aren't going to add more |
| 10:20.14 | John___ | that's a bummer though |
| 10:20.37 | John___ | well at-least will they allow group work? |
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| 10:47.34 | kblin | !faq | John___ |
| 10:47.35 | gsocbot | John___: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page |
| 10:47.42 | kblin | hm, sorry, wrong doc |
| 10:48.24 | kblin | John___: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/document/show/gci_program/google/gci2013/help_page#team |
| 10:49.01 | kblin | !learn gci faq as http://www.google-melange.com/gci/document/show/gci_program/google/gci2013/help_page |
| 10:49.03 | gsocbot | kblin: "gci faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gci/document/show/gci_program/google/gci2013/help_page |
| 10:49.36 | kblin | !learn gci timeline as http://www.google-melange.com/gci/events/google/gci2013 |
| 10:49.36 | gsocbot | kblin: "gci timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gci/events/google/gci2013 |
| 10:49.50 | kblin | !cookie |
| 10:49.50 | gsocbot | kblin: "cookie" is omnomnom |
| 10:50.06 | John___ | lol |
| 10:50.08 | John___ | ty |
| 10:53.03 | kblin | you're welcome |
| 10:54.49 | olly | !gci faq |
| 10:54.49 | gsocbot | olly: "gci faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gci/document/show/gci_program/google/gci2013/help_page |
| 10:55.06 | olly | (just checking spaces work there...) |
| 10:56.59 | kblin | !this cookie | olly |
| 10:56.59 | gsocbot | olly: "this cookie" is for you |
| 10:57.12 | kblin | we've had that one for ages :) |
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| 15:38.53 | Payl | Hi guys, I wonder why FPC (Free Pascal Compiler, www.freepascal.org ) was not allowed to be in GSoC? It tried to get into it I believe in 2011 and once more before. Why was it rejected? |
| 15:41.00 | olly | Payl: many more orgs apply than can be accepted |
| 15:41.15 | olly | it's often more a case of not being accepted than being rejected |
| 15:41.48 | Payl | I'm not sure what it does mean really. You have to register your project fast in order to get accepted? |
| 15:42.09 | Payl | Isn't that rather stupid in fact? |
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| 15:42.40 | anth_x | Payl: google only accepts a certain number of projects every year. far more than that apply. the folks who run GSoC have to make some difficult decisions. |
| 15:43.27 | olly | when you send in the application (so long as it is in the application period) doesn't make a difference |
| 15:43.47 | Payl | I believe they have to, but a lot of less interesting projects are allowed, and FPC being rejected when it's most important open Pascal compiler. |
| 15:43.48 | anth_x | they also run a meeting in IRC every year to give feedback to any orgs who weren't accepted. you might ask the FPC folks if they attended, and what feedback they got. |
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| 15:44.29 | olly | feedback is available as to why a project wasn't accepted after accepted orgs are announced, though I'm not sure if you'll get it so long after the fact |
| 15:44.45 | olly | yeah, what anth_x said |
| 15:44.57 | Payl | also, why are projects rejected? |
| 15:45.04 | olly | !numapps |
| 15:45.05 | gsocbot | olly: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 orgs and 1212 of 6685 proposals (by 4258 students) were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs and 1116 of 5474 proposals (by 3731 students) were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs and 1026 of 5539 propsals (by 3464 students) were accepted. |
| 15:45.05 | Payl | is that important to keep low count of projects? |
| 15:45.26 | olly | because gsoc is run by essentially one person at google |
| 15:45.42 | olly | and the more orgs there are, the more work there is to do |
| 15:45.47 | anth_x | not to mention the more money to hand out. |
| 15:46.02 | olly | as you can see, there are typically more than twice as many org apps as are accepted |
| 15:46.09 | anth_x | (does the bot still know the one about google not being an ATM?) |
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| 15:46.29 | olly | anth_x: well, they could have the same number of slots and mentor summit places but more orgs |
| 15:46.29 | Payl | yeah, but i.e. hedgewars were allowed. |
| 15:46.56 | Payl | and hedgewars are compiled by FPC, so it's more than weird. |
| 15:47.03 | olly | i'd focus on how to make free pascal's org app better next time, rather than pointing at other orgs and pouting |
| 15:47.23 | Payl | what do you mean by making better? |
| 15:47.27 | anth_x | Payl: ask whoever did FPC's prior application(s) if they attended the meeting. |
| 15:47.52 | Payl | probably should ask on mailing list, but right now i'm asking here :P |
| 15:48.16 | Payl | i want to get some idea, because I was on FPC IRC, and they didn't believed too much in point to submit FPC to GSoC |
| 15:48.20 | olly | if they didn't, look in the logs for the feedback for other orgs - a lot of it is quite general |
| 15:48.24 | anth_x | the people who can tell you best why it wasn't accepted are the people who ran that application, provided they attended the meeting. |
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| 15:48.52 | Payl | true, but i have no idea who was doing it. |
| 15:48.58 | Payl | and if he is still FPC dev. |
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| 15:49.48 | anth_x | hrm. that's unfortunate. |
| 15:50.11 | Payl | probably i should still ask on FPC mailing list, which I'll probably do. |
| 15:50.18 | anth_x | regardless, if the FPC folks are discouraged by a rejection or two, tell them that's silly. plenty of orgs are rejected and then accepted in subsequent years. |
| 15:50.52 | anth_x | i started as admin for my org after the folks who ran it in 2008 got discouraged by a rejection and weren't going to bother resubmitting. we got in. |
| 15:51.07 | olly | less than a minute with a search engine reveals that Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho applied in 2008 |
| 15:51.09 | olly | http://lists.freepascal.org/lists/fpc-devel/2008-March/013200.html |
| 15:51.11 | anth_x | we were rejected again in 2012. i re-applied in 2013 and we got in. it happens. |
| 15:51.17 | olly | and I know nothing about FPC... |
| 15:51.33 | Payl | olly, FPC is best opensource Pascal compiler |
| 15:51.52 | Payl | and since GPC stoped being developed, probably the only bigger one that is opensource. |
| 15:51.58 | olly | i mean, I found the info trivially without knowing who any FPC developers are |
| 15:52.09 | anth_x | olly: how'd you do that? it's like there's some company that runs a service that lets you type in terms and get relevant links back. who could run produce such a thing? |
| 15:52.18 | Payl | olly, seems like you were more lucky :P |
| 15:52.34 | olly | i just searched for: fpc gsoc application |
| 15:53.25 | Payl | i was looking for fpc gsoc before i believe. |
| 15:53.37 | Payl | but i was looking why it was rejected :P |
| 15:53.43 | olly | the feedback you see over and over is that the ideas list is very important, and getting a "vouch" from a previous gsoc org or a googler who knows your org helps |
| 15:55.16 | anth_x | Payl: i don't believe anyone here can tell you that. ask Felipe what feedback he got. reapply. read the docs, make a really good ideas page. consider looking over the logs of prior years rejected orgs meetings, if you want the best intel you can get (although it gets long) |
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| 15:55.37 | olly | fwiw, I think they are planning to accept more orgs in 2014, as it's the 10th year, so I'd encourage you to start gathering project ideas now and apply when the time comes |
| 15:56.13 | anth_x | (also, get a little bit lucky: even after weeding out orgs/apps with significant problems, they have to reject some number of orgs they'd like to take) |
| 15:58.31 | Payl | Yeah, now I'm exlopring Lazarus Wiki a bit, probably will ask developers why was FPC rejected, thanks guys for helping me out :) |
| 15:58.58 | anth_x | no problem. good luck! |
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| 17:38.46 | Slurpee | Are any of the gci mentors around? I'm adding tasks, but the task duration is in days? not hours? |
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| 17:44.38 | dnear | Hello |
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| 19:52.38 | Nightrose | Slurpee: it should be in hours |
| 19:52.51 | Slurpee | Nightrose, it is in days with a minimum of 2 days (48 hours) |
| 19:52.55 | Nightrose | yes |
| 19:53.00 | Nightrose | well |
| 19:53.02 | Slurpee | this is via manually creating tasks and mass import |
| 19:53.13 | Nightrose | i just did bulk import |
| 19:53.15 | Nightrose | it was in hours |
| 19:53.48 | Nightrose | i am trying to publish gci tasks for kde atm but it doesn't seem to work - anyone around to help with that? clicking the publish button does nothing |
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| 19:56.52 | Slurpee | Nightrose, it took me a few tries (drupal) |
| 19:57.09 | Nightrose | Slurpee: but then it worked? |
| 19:57.12 | Nightrose | ok |
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| 19:59.48 | Slurpee | Nightrose, after submitting, i have to go to the task, then click publish |
| 19:59.57 | Slurpee | did you get to that secondary page? |
| 20:00.05 | Slurpee | that is always the only page to delete tasks |
| 20:00.17 | Nightrose | Slurpee: hmm i don't see anything there - only on the list of all tasks at the top of the table |
| 20:00.41 | Slurpee | Nightrose, did you try manually upload prior to bulk import? |
| 20:00.55 | Nightrose | no |
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| 20:05.37 | Slurpee | Nightrose, i did manual first, then bulk upload. |
| 20:05.44 | Nightrose | ok |
| 20:05.51 | Nightrose | bulk was pretty frustrating for me :( |
| 20:05.54 | Slurpee | took me a while to get the proper syntax for bulk upload. I received emails with errors. |
| 20:06.10 | Nightrose | lots of my mentors have not signed up yet or given the wrong user name |
| 20:06.19 | Slurpee | Nightrose, i'm curious about that too... |
| 20:06.22 | Slurpee | how to add other mentors? |
| 20:06.27 | Nightrose | had to manually sort it all out again |
| 20:06.33 | Slurpee | i've been searching documentation before I asked question on mailing list |
| 20:06.40 | Nightrose | well i assigned those tasks to me now and will kick their ass to sign up asap |
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| 20:07.46 | Slurpee | Nightrose, how do mentors sign up to be mentors? |
| 20:08.30 | Nightrose | Slurpee: https://www.google-melange.com/gci/homepage/google/gci2013 has a register as a mentor link |
| 20:08.38 | Nightrose | and then they need to connect to your org |
| 20:08.47 | Nightrose | i don't remember how that part works exactly for the mentor |
| 20:10.17 | Slurpee | Nightrose, how many tasks is kde planning to submit by Monday? |
| 20:10.32 | Nightrose | i've got 68 now |
| 20:10.40 | Nightrose | some lacking mentors so i can't publish them yet |
| 20:10.41 | Slurpee | nice work |
| 20:10.49 | Nightrose | heh thx |
| 20:11.33 | Slurpee | Drupal will have at least 40 by Monday morning.. Hoping more in the 75-100 range, but we will see how it goes. Probably need to add a few after Monday. |
| 20:11.42 | Nightrose | *nod* |
| 20:11.47 | Nightrose | thankfully that is possible again |
| 20:11.59 | Nightrose | and 40 isn't too bad either ;-) |
| 20:12.45 | Slurpee | Drupal 8 is close to being released and we have lots of easy tasks anyone can take on. Hopefully we have more. |
| 20:12.53 | Nightrose | ah lucky you |
| 20:12.57 | Slurpee | lol |
| 20:13.20 | Nightrose | \o/ publishing worked |
| 20:13.24 | Nightrose | finally |
| 20:13.44 | Slurpee | Nightrose, where are you located? |
| 20:13.48 | Nightrose | berlin |
| 20:13.57 | Slurpee | chicago |
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| 20:17.41 | Nightrose | alright - i think this is all i can do tonight |
| 20:17.49 | Nightrose | hope the remaining mentors will sign up tomorrow |
| 20:19.26 | KristofDM | Nice to see some activity in here :) |
| 20:21.02 | Slurpee | KristofDM, gci starts soon :) |
| 20:21.31 | Slurpee | imports tasks and browses black friday deals |
| 20:22.09 | gevaerts | Don't mix them up! |
| 20:22.36 | KristofDM | Slurpee, I see :) |
| 20:23.19 | KristofDM | Those are some nice prizes to win |
| 20:23.48 | KristofDM | A trip to Google's Mountain View, not bad! |
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| 20:32.04 | Slurpee | KristofDM, if gci was around when I was a teenager...I would have loved this opportunity, not to mention a chance to go to googlhq. |
| 20:33.14 | KristofDM | Wish I could say the same thing, wasn't that much of a coder in my high school years |
| 20:33.45 | gevaerts | But maybe that's because there was no gci? |
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| 20:36.41 | KristofDM | gevaerts, who knows ;) |
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| 20:37.31 | KristofDM | I played around with python a bit when I was around 14 years old or so |
| 20:37.46 | KristofDM | but never got around learning anything properly |
| 20:38.00 | KristofDM | until last year when I started uni :) |
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| 21:26.51 | Slurpee | KristofDM, I was hacking code and doing a bit of programming in elementary school...the strange part is realizing how advanced I really was at the age...at the time I thought it was simple. |
| 21:27.34 | KristofDM | Slurpee, that's awesome :) |
| 21:27.35 | Slurpee | It's one of the reasons I'm so interested in these programs...the youth of technology need bigger challenges. |
| 21:28.52 | KristofDM | I was busy playing games the past years |
| 21:29.38 | KristofDM | But I don't know, I don't play any games anymore. I just don't feel like it. |
| 21:29.52 | KristofDM | Coding however, is something I enjoy doing |
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