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| 17:37.27 | alemedeiros | hello, it's my first time here, I was hoping to do something for gsoc next year. anyone have any heads up or any useful info? |
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| 17:51.10 | Slurpee | alemedeiros, as a student or org? |
| 18:02.42 | alemedeiros | as a student |
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| 18:21.22 | Slurpee | alemedeiros, it truly depends what type of project you want to work on... |
| 18:21.29 | Slurpee | web? os? research? |
| 18:24.07 | Arthur_D | games? ;) |
| 18:25.20 | Slurpee | Arthur_D, exactly...do you know any open source projects related to gaming that have participated in gsoc in the past? |
| 18:25.30 | Arthur_D | yes |
| 18:25.47 | gevaerts | Also, I'd say webos is dead ;) |
| 18:26.04 | Slurpee | Arthur_D, look into what type of tasks they have accomplished in the past. Maybe even try to contact the org. |
| 18:26.14 | Slurpee | gevaerts, good one, har har ;) |
| 18:26.27 | Arthur_D | hehe Slurpee you misunderstood me :) |
| 18:26.31 | Arthur_D | last year, we at SuperTuxKart participated for the first time with great success |
| 18:26.40 | Arthur_D | so just hinting ;) |
| 18:27.04 | gevaerts | There have been lots of game things in gsoc |
| 18:27.22 | Arthur_D | Hedgewars also participated... and Battle for Wesnoth I think |
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| 18:27.40 | Arthur_D | also some game engine stuff like OGRE |
| 18:27.41 | gevaerts | They're usually pointed out as "unimportant" whenever people complain about not being accepted with something else |
| 18:27.59 | gevaerts | So for comprehensive lists of game projects, look for those rants :) |
| 18:28.06 | Arthur_D | ah |
| 18:28.24 | Arthur_D | well personally I think open source games are rather important |
| 18:28.38 | Arthur_D | of course not as important as many other projects |
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| 18:28.47 | gevaerts | I'm not saying that's *my* opinion |
| 18:28.55 | Arthur_D | sure :) |
| 18:29.32 | Arthur_D | in any case it does seem like Google makes sure to have a diverse set of projects |
| 18:29.55 | Arthur_D | not just one area in the field of programming |
| 18:30.04 | gevaerts | Seriously though, go to the past lists of projects, and filter on "game" in the tags column |
| 18:30.07 | gevaerts | nods |
| 18:31.02 | gevaerts | I'd say that diversity is important, probably more so than almost all other criteria |
| 18:31.05 | Arthur_D | hm where can I find that? |
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| 18:32.08 | gevaerts | e.g. http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012 |
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| 18:32.40 | Arthur_D | how do I filter based on category? |
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| 18:33.48 | gevaerts | Just type stuff in the textfield at the top of the columns |
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| 18:35.16 | Arthur_D | hmm typing 'game' in the title mainly shows Pygame stuff and KDE |
| 18:35.42 | gevaerts | Try the tags column |
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| 18:36.13 | Arthur_D | hmm no tags column and I can't seem to add it? |
| 18:37.23 | Arthur_D | 'Columns' at the bottom has 'Key', 'Status' and 'Mentors' not added yet... no 'Tags' |
| 18:37.29 | Arthur_D | do I need to log in or something |
| 18:37.47 | gevaerts | Wich exact page are you looking at? |
| 18:37.50 | Arthur_D | ah now I see |
| 18:37.57 | Arthur_D | I was looking at the accepted projects |
| 18:38.10 | Arthur_D | not accepted organizations. Sorry, my bad |
| 18:38.17 | gevaerts | AH, yes |
| 18:38.56 | Arthur_D | 11 game related organizations accepted |
| 18:39.21 | Arthur_D | out of 180 that's not a lot |
| 18:40.24 | gevaerts | Plus possibly a few where they didn't bother about proper tags |
| 18:40.36 | Arthur_D | maybe |
| 18:40.59 | Arthur_D | still it doesn't seem like gaming orgs are being unfairly favoured |
| 18:41.39 | gevaerts | Well, they're there, and I work on a compiler for language X, which is clearly more important! |
| 18:41.56 | Arthur_D | hehe |
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| 18:42.43 | Arthur_D | maybe, but maybe you didn't write a good application for your project and your ideas page is lackluster ;) |
| 18:43.11 | gevaerts | Oh, are those taken into consideration? Why wasn't I told? |
| 18:43.15 | Arthur_D | hehe |
| 18:44.13 | Arthur_D | I guess many more "useful" projects don't manage to come up with interesting ideas to work on for students |
| 18:44.50 | Arthur_D | or maybe we were just lucky |
| 18:45.55 | gevaerts | I'd say there are many quite important projects that don't actually have enough developers for something like gsoc |
| 18:46.01 | Arthur_D | true |
| 18:46.09 | Arthur_D | we barely made it |
| 18:46.21 | Arthur_D | a one or two-man project won't |
| 18:48.40 | Arthur_D | guess we just need more large corporations doing like Google so there's a chance for everybody ;) |
| 18:49.14 | gevaerts | Well, I don't think there should be a place for everybody |
| 18:49.15 | Arthur_D | Microsoft Spring of Code |
| 18:49.36 | gevaerts | You need the prospect of rejection to get decent applications |
| 18:49.44 | Arthur_D | true |
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| 18:51.00 | Arthur_D | also I sort of imagine game projects attract lots of interest from those students lacking the skills to do advanced stuff. And then it turns out making games is pretty darn hard as well |
| 18:51.42 | |Kev| | Hmm. I don't think I've seen such a claim before. |
| 18:52.22 | Arthur_D | so the more prestigious important projects get less bad applications perhaps |
| 18:52.32 | Arthur_D | just an idea |
| 18:53.04 | Arthur_D | there's a lot of people underestimating what it takes to create a game |
| 18:53.58 | Arthur_D | while working on KDE probably seems a bit more daunting |
| 18:53.59 | |Kev| | There's a lot of people underestimating what it takes to do all sorts of things :) |
| 18:54.07 | Arthur_D | true :) |
| 18:54.41 | gevaerts | I sometimes underestimate the time it will take to make a proper too low estimate |
| 18:54.44 | |Kev| | I'm not sure I think of working on a game any more or less daunting than KDE. |
| 18:54.51 | Arthur_D | hehe |
| 18:55.09 | Arthur_D | we got about 80 applications last year |
| 18:55.27 | Arthur_D | and predictably most were pretty bad |
| 18:55.33 | |Kev| | What was your barrier to applications? |
| 18:55.34 | |Kev| | Teasers? |
| 18:55.38 | Arthur_D | very low |
| 18:55.39 | KristofDM | I know someone who worked on a game through gsoc last summer |
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| 18:56.02 | Arthur_D | though we said that solving a ticket or otherwise creating a patch would increase their chances |
| 18:56.11 | |Kev| | I require that. |
| 18:56.19 | Arthur_D | this time around we will probably require that too |
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| 18:56.32 | KristofDM | I don't think working on a game is considered easier |
| 18:56.36 | Arthur_D | if we get in that is |
| 18:56.38 | |Kev| | e.g., from a couple of years ago: http://swift.im/gsoc/ |
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| 18:57.51 | Arthur_D | nice :) |
| 18:58.29 | Arthur_D | we will certainly be more strict if we get in again. Trouble is we applied rather at the last minute |
| 18:58.44 | Arthur_D | and also didn't have any previous GSoC experience |
| 18:59.01 | Arthur_D | we certainly didn't expect the sheer numbers of students interested |
| 18:59.17 | KristofDM | What organisation are you with Arthur_D ? |
| 18:59.22 | Arthur_D | SuperTuxKart |
| 18:59.47 | KristofDM | Oh haha, then you might know the person I was talking about earlier |
| 18:59.51 | Arthur_D | one of those pesky unimportant orgs here to steal your students ;) |
| 19:00.01 | KristofDM | Glenn De Jonghe? |
| 19:00.05 | Evan_ | Does anyone have the permission form for GCI? It said it would be available on the site, but I cant find it |
| 19:00.06 | Arthur_D | hahahah yeah |
| 19:00.17 | Arthur_D | Glenn was one of our three accepted students :) |
| 19:00.24 | KristofDM | Correct! |
| 19:00.33 | KristofDM | He worked on the multiplayer lobby, right? |
| 19:00.36 | Arthur_D | yes |
| 19:00.57 | KristofDM | How did he manage? :D |
| 19:01.04 | Arthur_D | he did great, and seems to enjoy our company so he'll likely to be a mentor or fallback next year :) |
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| 19:01.24 | gevaerts | I'd say those students who know games aren't any easier than other stuff aren't the problem |
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| 19:02.18 | Arthur_D | it was so funny when we had chosen students but they didn't know yet who were in |
| 19:02.30 | KristofDM | Awesome Arthur_D |
| 19:02.41 | Arthur_D | Glenn had convinced himself he was absolutely not one of them ;) |
| 19:03.04 | KristofDM | He's giving a gsoc presentation on our university together with two other gsoc accepted students |
| 19:03.25 | Arthur_D | yeah I know, he promised to give us a little PR too ;) |
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| 19:04.32 | KristofDM | I'm sure he will |
| 19:04.41 | KristofDM | he was euphoric when he heard he got accepted :D |
| 19:05.00 | KristofDM | and for good reason of course |
| 19:05.03 | Arthur_D | hahah yeah I said to him that he should be since he had been so sure he wasn't accepted :D |
| 19:05.41 | Arthur_D | we haven't regretted that choice for one second, too :) |
| 19:06.29 | Arthur_D | of course, we have rather limited amount of mentors so we can't ask for too many students either |
| 19:07.03 | Arthur_D | and there are plenty of other cool projects around |
| 19:07.32 | KristofDM | Yeah, I'm gonna' try and get accepted this year |
| 19:07.49 | KristofDM | Not sure what org yet |
| 19:12.48 | Evan_ | Does anyone have the permission form for GCI? It said it would be available on the site, but I cant find it |
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| 21:54.02 | antoniomdk_ | How Can I sing up? |
| 21:55.16 | KristofDM | Hey antoniomdk_ |
| 21:55.20 | KristofDM | You can't just yet. |
| 21:55.30 | KristofDM | Read the FAQ for more info: http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page |
| 21:56.48 | antoniomdk_ | Ok, The contest starts tomorrow |
| 21:57.36 | antoniomdk_ | I have a question about google code-in |
| 21:57.40 | KristofDM | oh, sorry |
| 21:57.47 | KristofDM | I see :D |
| 21:58.18 | KristofDM | you can read the FAQ for gci here: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/document/show/gci_program/google/gci2013/help_page |
| 21:58.38 | antoniomdk_ | Can I work in various organizations? |
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| 22:00.55 | antoniomdk_ | I mean that I want to work in Copyleft and KDE, but I dont know if I have to participate with only one organization. |
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| 22:07.02 | perepujal | antoniomdk_: From the page pointed before: Students can work with one organization or with multiple organizations during the contest |
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| 22:13.33 | antoniomdk_ | Ok, thank you |
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