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| 15:48.10 | Hello | Is this a common forum to discuss all projects ? |
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| 15:49.16 | kblin | Hello: actually organisation-specific questions still are best asked in the specific community |
| 15:50.09 | gevaerts | This is the right place to discuss all projects, yes, but it's not the right place to discuss specific projects :) |
| 15:51.03 | Hello | I see, is there a timeline when these communities are up and running ? Sorry i am new here. So once the list of organisations are up, separate communities are created, right ? |
| 15:54.02 | gevaerts | Organisations that apply to gsoc are supposed to have a decent community around them already. They won't appear out of thin air |
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| 16:03.48 | Niharika | gevaerts: Hello. Is there any link where I can access list of organisations which took part in last run of GSoC? http://google-melange.appspot.com/org/home/google/gsoc2013 returns a 404. |
| 16:04.19 | gevaerts | Seems they moved it to http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2013 |
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| 18:47.08 | flyingsilverfin | hello |
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| 18:52.15 | flyingsilverfin | I was wondering if for the google summer of code, since it spans from may to august, is it possible/worth it to participate if I'm traveling for 3-4 weeks at the beginning of june? |
| 18:53.43 | nidzo | I think maybe 1 week is OK but 3-4 weeks is too much |
| 18:57.04 | kblin | !timeline |
| 18:57.20 | kblin | whatever happened to gsocbot? |
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| 19:03.27 | kblin | whee, IPv6 |
| 19:03.30 | kblin | !timeline |
| 19:03.30 | gsocbot | kblin: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
| 19:04.20 | kblin | flyingsilverfin: this is something you need to discuss with your mentorin org |
| 19:04.38 | kblin | flyingsilverfin: you might be able to start earlier to make up for the time lost |
| 19:05.10 | kblin | in the end, if your mentoring org is cool with it, that's all you need |
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| 19:13.53 | flyingsilverfin | alright thanks! |
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| 19:15.41 | flyingsilverfin | i wonder if they would be more flexible knowing I'm not even in college yet |
| 19:15.57 | Ch3ck_ | i don't get it |
| 19:16.01 | flyingsilverfin | i guess it all depends on the mentor/what project i choose/whether i complete it |
| 19:16.45 | Ch3ck_ | well GSoC is for guys in college |
| 19:17.05 | Ch3ck_ | if you're not yet in college and < 18 you could do GCI |
| 19:17.19 | flyingsilverfin | i'll be 18 and accepted but not attending yet |
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| 19:26.51 | olly | Ch3ck_: not only for guys... |
| 19:27.23 | Ch3ck_ | flyingsilverfin, u der? |
| 19:27.23 | Ch3ck_ | wonders y? his network is failing . :( |
| 19:27.32 | Ch3ck_ | olly, ahh guess you understand what i'm feelx ;) |
| 19:27.45 | flyingsilverfin | oh hey |
| 19:28.11 | flyingsilverfin | from what i can tell its for anyone 18 and over? |
| 19:28.40 | Ch3ck_ | correct flyingsilverfin |
| 19:28.44 | flyingsilverfin | "You must be 18 years of age or older on or before 21 April, 2014 to be eligible to participate in Google Summer of Code in 2014." |
| 19:28.46 | olly | flyingsilverfin: you need to be a student too (or at least enrolled) |
| 19:28.53 | flyingsilverfin | okay so no harm in trying it out |
| 19:28.56 | flyingsilverfin | yep i don't tink that will be a problem |
| 19:29.09 | Ch3ck_ | it won't be flyingsilverfin |
| 19:29.30 | flyingsilverfin | thanks for the information |
| 19:29.31 | olly | and there's a requirement you're not from a country the US gov says US companies can't do business with |
| 19:29.31 | flyingsilverfin | ! |
| 19:29.39 | olly | which is sad but hard to avoid |
| 19:29.58 | flyingsilverfin | well i'm german living in the US so i hope that works |
| 19:30.07 | olly | and one to do with being a google employee or closely related - see the faq for details |
| 19:30.23 | olly | add "not" to the last one |
| 19:31.00 | flyingsilverfin | hmmm so it might be a problem if my brother gets a job at google? |
| 19:31.04 | flyingsilverfin | he's 6 years older |
| 19:31.06 | flyingsilverfin | he's currently applyin |
| 19:31.07 | flyingsilverfin | g |
| 19:31.58 | Ch3ck_ | so olly what about googlers? that relates to GSoC? |
| 19:32.15 | Ch3ck_ | so if you have a Googler sibling as flyingsilverfin says can't you do gsoc olly ? |
| 19:32.33 | flyingsilverfin | *possible one for me, he's still applying |
| 19:32.33 | olly | Ch3ck_, flyingsilverfin: check what the faq says for the details |
| 19:33.32 | olly | if you're still unclear, carols is the one to ask, since she runs the program |
| 19:35.20 | flyingsilverfin | hm how would i contact heR? |
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| 19:36.50 | olly | she's often here US working hours, otherwise email carols@google.com |
| 19:36.59 | olly | she gets a lot of mail though, so be patient |
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| 19:41.08 | kblin | flyingsilverfin: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#4._Who_is_not_eligible_to_participate_as |
| 19:41.16 | kblin | it's pretty straightforward |
| 19:42.02 | flyingsilverfin | yes i saw that but as he's applying at the same time i'll be appying i wonder if different conditions apply |
| 19:42.55 | kblin | that's probably one for carol, then |
| 19:45.56 | kblin | I don't really understand the "no relatives of googlers" clause, anyway |
| 19:46.19 | kblin | I see it for gci, but not for gsoc |
| 19:47.03 | olly | maybe it's a legal thing |
| 19:47.15 | tierra | usually it's an immediate family thing |
| 19:47.36 | tierra | and I am fairly certain it's a legal requirement in the US |
| 19:47.53 | kblin | why? |
| 19:48.03 | kblin | it's not like gsoc is a contest |
| 19:48.12 | kblin | gci is, but gsoc isn't |
| 19:48.13 | olly | i think the wording use to be something like "immediate family" |
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| 19:49.39 | tierra | it sort of is a contest (you're not gauranteed payment), but even if it wasn't, it might still be treated as one legally for tax purposes |
| 19:50.12 | kblin | tierra: in 2005, I was doing independent contract work |
| 19:50.15 | kblin | I doubt that changed |
| 19:50.22 | kblin | as I said, GCI is a contest |
| 19:50.41 | olly | kblin: so a student in gsoc is technically a google contractor and so can't take part in gsoc! |
| 19:50.46 | tierra | I guess google does sent out 1099s for SoC, so maybe not |
| 19:51.03 | tierra | *send |
| 19:51.13 | flyingsilverfin | does your proposal have to be a brand-new open source project or can you contribute to an existing larger one |
| 19:51.28 | olly | it just said family members in 2009's FAQ at least |
| 19:51.39 | olly | flyingsilverfin: it's almost always the latter |
| 19:52.40 | flyingsilverfin | so if my interests lie in the direction of ubuntu/OS development i can join one of those open source projects associated? |
| 19:53.00 | kblin | flyingsilverfin: well, you work for a mentoring organisation that is part of GSoC |
| 19:53.34 | kblin | mentoring orgs can apply next month |
| 19:53.51 | kblin | and are announced on the 24th |
| 19:54.17 | flyingsilverfin | so from what i understand, I propose a project and then given that, an organization finds/accepts the proposal and i then work on that. |
| 19:54.27 | kblin | yeah |
| 19:54.46 | flyingsilverfin | okay |
| 19:55.02 | flyingsilverfin | so it makes sense to tailor the project proposal to one of the participating organizations |
| 19:55.29 | kblin | the mentoring orgs also have project ideas on their web sites |
| 19:55.37 | kblin | but you're not required to use one of those |
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| 19:55.49 | flyingsilverfin | cool |
| 19:55.54 | tierra | right, and you are required to submit it *under* one of those organizations, not just some general proposal that could apply to any org |
| 19:56.11 | kblin | but of course if you propose something out of the blue, your chances of getting accepted tend to be really slim |
| 19:56.26 | flyingsilverfin | okay |
| 19:56.28 | flyingsilverfin | thanks everyone! |
| 19:56.35 | flyingsilverfin | i have to go, good information |
| 19:56.39 | flyingsilverfin | looking forward to the 24th! |
| 19:56.45 | kblin | and "ohai, can I haz slot" proposals aren't useful either :) |
| 19:56.59 | flyingsilverfin | haha |
| 19:56.59 | flyingsilverfin | got it |
| 19:57.42 | kblin | whoa. I just realized that unless I go for another degree, this is the first gsoc where I'm not eligible as a student |
| 19:57.57 | olly | kblin: welcome to the real world |
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| 19:58.36 | kblin | yeah, that's the feeling I had when starting my new job in november |
| 20:00.53 | kblin | though of course my university just sent a reminder that I need to pay my tuition fee for next semester, so I guess they haven't realized I'm finished either ;) |
| 20:02.21 | Ch3ck_ | congratu... kblin |
| 20:02.37 | scorche|sh | kblin: i was going to say - you are *still* in there? ;) |
| 20:02.41 | olly | what're you doing now? |
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| 20:03.15 | kblin | olly: I'm a bioinformatics developer at a research institute in cologne |
| 20:03.42 | tierra | gratz |
| 20:03.48 | olly | so still research then - the real world can wait |
| 20:03.54 | tierra | heh |
| 20:05.19 | olly | tierra: are wx planning to apply this year? |
| 20:05.29 | Ch3ck_ | kblin, guess you're writing code for DNA sequencing and stuff |
| 20:05.48 | Ch3ck_ | hard core genomics stuff ;) kblin |
| 20:06.11 | kblin | among other things, yes |
| 20:06.46 | Ch3ck_ | gr8 studied biochem before dropping out and into CS |
| 20:06.56 | Ch3ck_ | miss bioinformatics courses ;) kblin |
| 20:07.03 | kblin | for my phd project I wrote a program that scans the genome of bacteria for the bacteria's ability to produce antibiotics |
| 20:07.20 | tierra | olly: yeah, I'm sure wx will apply again (and hopefully not go a 3rd year in a row being rejected, heh) |
| 20:07.26 | Ch3ck_ | nice kblin so would you get into bioprogramming kblin |
| 20:07.34 | Ch3ck_ | cuz that's like the future of computing too right? |
| 20:08.00 | Ch3ck_ | tierra, like seriously? |
| 20:08.04 | kblin | not convinced |
| 20:08.22 | tierra | I still ended up mentoring a student for 2013, just for a different project, heh |
| 20:08.40 | Ch3ck_ | kblin, well I think kids would have the ability in the future to code viruses and grow them in their houses :) |
| 20:08.46 | olly | tierra: probably helped get 3.0 out though |
| 20:08.56 | tierra | haha, probably |
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| 20:09.05 | tierra | can't believe how long that took |
| 20:09.24 | olly | it seems to be pretty solid |
| 20:09.29 | kblin | tierra: from experience, 4.0 is worse |
| 20:09.37 | kblin | tierra: took us > 9 years ;) |
| 20:09.56 | olly | biggest issue with getting apps to work with 3.0 is having debug on by default, IME |
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| 20:10.30 | olly | wx3 must be something like that |
| 20:11.17 | kblin | Ch3ck_: the thing about diy genetic engineering is that it happens to be illegal in most countries |
| 20:12.27 | tierra | kblin: 7 years for 3.0 for us (from 2.8 - the last stable branch before it, not 2.0) |
| 20:12.45 | Ch3ck_ | well from where i'm from it isn't cuz my gov't doesn't even have to power for that ;) kblin |
| 20:12.49 | tierra | olly: interesting, I wouldn't have guessed that was a big issue with debug |
| 20:12.54 | kblin | Ch3ck_: I mean I did a gouvernment certification to be allowed to supervise labs that work with GMOs, and even I can't do genetic engineering in the basement, legally |
| 20:13.41 | olly | tierra: i think it's good to have it on, but the transition may be a bit painful - it's easy to miss some obscure case which causes an assertion in wx |
| 20:14.19 | olly | you can at least usually click them away at least |
| 20:14.31 | kblin | tierra: well, we released like 4 stable series while trying to get 4.0 out of the door :) |
| 20:15.38 | kblin | arguably the main problem was that the 4.0 codebase worked fine for the new features and nobody felt like reimplementing the old stuff, but our users kind of liked the old stuff |
| 20:16.02 | Ch3ck_ | kblin, yeah that's a serious threat now and in the future |
| 20:18.07 | tierra | we were maintaining two stable branches for maybe half that time, but dropped the older one half way through |
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| 20:30.37 | kblin | tierra: also sounds like a lot of fun |
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| 20:56.34 | brlcad | kblin: that just means you now have MORE time for all things open source like developing BRL-CAD for use in microbiology ;) |
| 20:56.45 | brlcad | smells a set of research paper opportunities there |
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| 21:11.52 | kblin | brlcad: just that I don't work in microbiology anymore :) |
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| 21:48.59 | brlcad | kblin: so? even MORE time to work on BRL-CAD ;) |
| 21:49.27 | brlcad | or I guess worldforge too |
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| 21:50.30 | kblin | yeah, so many oss projects, so little time |
| 21:51.29 | brlcad | I can help you prioritize ;) |
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| 23:26.19 | chro | anyone here tried to apply for intership with google ? |
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