| 00:01.09 | gevaerts | greensky: hmmm, that might explain some issues I've been having ;) |
| 00:02.09 | mildused | ok few more questions |
| 00:02.17 | mildused | my gmail account has some wrong personal info |
| 00:02.24 | mildused | will that be an issue |
| 00:02.35 | derdon | google knows it already :P |
| 00:02.56 | mildused | what do you mean |
| 00:03.06 | derdon | was just kidding |
| 00:03.37 | mildused | that doesnt answer my question |
| 00:03.50 | derdon | because of the NSA affair and some us companies may have something to do with it... |
| 00:03.59 | derdon | mildused: I don't think it's a problem |
| 00:04.10 | mildused | but we have to give them personal tax info |
| 00:04.21 | derdon | so? |
| 00:04.24 | umccullough | you will fill out a profile on melange, so no big deal |
| 00:04.25 | perepujal | If I recall right, you have to provide your personal info when registering at melange |
| 00:04.42 | mildused | so when is student registration? |
| 00:04.47 | umccullough | march 10-21s |
| 00:04.48 | umccullough | t |
| 00:04.53 | derdon | mildused: search for the timeline link on the homepage |
| 00:05.00 | umccullough | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
| 00:05.07 | umccullough | there, i'm too nice ;) |
| 00:05.14 | derdon | umccullough: indeed |
| 00:05.36 | mildused | March 10 thanks |
| 00:05.37 | umccullough | i do highly recommend that if you know what project you plan to work with that you start getting involved with them early |
| 00:05.49 | mildused | lets say i work with Haiku |
| 00:06.19 | umccullough | puts on his wizard hat and robe for some roleplaying |
| 00:06.49 | mildused | I would need to learn C++ |
| 00:07.06 | umccullough | if you wanted to work on the Haiku codebase itself, C/C++ would be a must |
| 00:07.07 | mildused | and get some respect on their forum |
| 00:07.09 | umccullough | BUT |
| 00:07.16 | derdon | mildused: do it the other way around. learn some language you like and look later for projects that have been written in this language |
| 00:07.17 | umccullough | Haiku does have peripheral projects that don't require C/C++ |
| 00:07.39 | umccullough | we have bits written in python for example |
| 00:07.47 | mildused | but i dont know any programming language intensively |
| 00:08.22 | umccullough | i'm not sure I would use GSoC as a way to cut your teeth on a new language |
| 00:08.32 | mildused | but that is my choice |
| 00:09.02 | umccullough | most of the projects would probably avoid a student that didn't already have some coding experience in the relevant language |
| 00:09.16 | umccullough | i'm not saying that's right - just saying it's reality |
| 00:09.39 | perepujal | Does any student approach by: I like networks, lets see the orgs that works on networks, then try to find one who works with a language of my choice? |
| 00:10.41 | derdon | perepujal: liking networks is not enough. |
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| 00:11.16 | mildused | knowing i am a noob |
| 00:11.27 | mildused | and lets say you just started in a coding world |
| 00:11.28 | perepujal | having fun with the work is the must |
| 00:11.45 | mildused | where will you start |
| 00:12.08 | umccullough | mildused, hmm... i'm not sure I could answer that question :) |
| 00:12.24 | mildused | where did you start |
| 00:12.45 | umccullough | well, considering I've been doing software development since the early 90's |
| 00:12.48 | umccullough | i don't remember :D |
| 00:13.09 | mildused | ok lets say i learn c++ in a month |
| 00:13.16 | mildused | would i be able to work for haiku? |
| 00:13.37 | umccullough | it's possible - although learning c++ in a month is pretty unreasonable |
| 00:13.47 | umccullough | honestly, if you already have some python experience, I would stick with that |
| 00:13.56 | umccullough | it's probably a bit easier to learn anyway |
| 00:14.00 | gevaerts | Yes. If you can learn c++ in a month, you're absolutely brilliant, and you can work on anything you like |
| 00:14.14 | perepujal | LOL |
| 00:14.30 | umccullough | still doesn't really know C++ |
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| 00:15.12 | umccullough | i also don't do much development for haiku, i'm more of a testing/administrative kind of guy |
| 00:15.41 | umccullough | although, i'll be a backup mentor this year |
| 00:15.49 | umccullough | if not co-admin :/ |
| 00:17.25 | mildused | so i can just be a tester for haiku from gsoc |
| 00:17.33 | mildused | or is that not an option |
| 00:18.08 | umccullough | good question |
| 00:18.11 | perepujal | you must code |
| 00:18.29 | perepujal | Google sommer of CODE |
| 00:18.33 | umccullough | i guess GCI supports non-code tasks |
| 00:18.40 | umccullough | or well, sorta |
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| 00:21.24 | mildused | is https://www.haiku-os.org/development/learning_to_program_with_haiku a good way to start? |
| 00:21.47 | umccullough | well, let's be clear - Haiku is an operating system |
| 00:22.10 | umccullough | that article is a guide that helps people learn how to write software for it |
| 00:22.27 | umccullough | writing a program for Haiku *could* be a project for gsoc, yes |
| 00:22.48 | umccullough | if the mentors think it's a valuable contribution |
| 00:23.02 | mildused | but haiku wasnt gsoc last year |
| 00:23.02 | umccullough | but most haiku-related gsoc projects are probably going to be improvements to the operating system itself |
| 00:23.13 | umccullough | right, we were in it 6 years prior though :) |
| 00:23.21 | umccullough | here, let me show you our ideas pages |
| 00:23.32 | umccullough | https://www.haiku-os.org/community/gsoc |
| 00:23.49 | umccullough | go through some of those "Ideas" pages and you'll see what types of projects some of our students have done in the past |
| 00:24.01 | umccullough | you can also look at the "Summary" pages to see what students and projects were actually selected |
| 00:24.18 | umccullough | if you're really interested in haiku, you probably should join #haiku and continue this discussion there - but i'm pasting links here as an example |
| 00:24.38 | umccullough | there are going to be hundreds (if not thousands) of organizations that apply to GSoC |
| 00:24.53 | umccullough | i don't know how many will be selected this year, but probably more than 100 at least |
| 00:25.04 | umccullough | so, you should have plenty of options to choose from |
| 00:25.25 | mildused | what is one that a beginner can usually pick |
| 00:26.12 | umccullough | <shrug> i have no clue really |
| 00:26.58 | yogev_ezra | umccullough: According to GSoC info page, 190 organizations will be accepted, unless they revert it :-) |
| 00:27.14 | derdon | did you quote shrug or did you just shrug? hmm |
| 00:27.15 | umccullough | ok |
| 00:27.22 | umccullough | yogev_ezra, i knew it would be more than last year, but didn't know how many |
| 00:28.01 | umccullough | mildused, last year, these are the orgs that were selected, so if you see anything that seems like your cup of tea...: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/projects/list/google/gsoc2013 |
| 00:28.03 | yogev_ezra | umccullough: they didn't write the exact amount, they said "10 more than most number ever in the past". most number was 180 in 2012 |
| 00:28.38 | umccullough | wait, that link was the accepted proejcts, not orgs..sorry |
| 00:29.05 | umccullough | but still, that's a good idea of what was accepted, student wise |
| 00:29.43 | mildused | wow maybe next year lulz |
| 00:29.47 | umccullough | yogev_ezra, i guess that's good :D but there's usually a LOT of applicants either way |
| 00:29.54 | perepujal | Does somebody keeps a list of student applications made public? |
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| 00:31.04 | mildused | so what is the easiest place, not gsoc, to start open source coding? (wikimedia?) |
| 00:31.54 | perepujal | mildused: where you have more fun? gaming desktop mobile? |
| 00:32.25 | mildused | well i like creating desktop applications |
| 00:32.57 | perepujal | using some in particular? |
| 00:33.26 | mildused | i used autoit before http://www.autoitscript.com/site/autoit/ |
| 00:35.06 | perepujal | open source ? |
| 00:36.45 | mildused | none |
| 00:37.01 | mildused | listen, i greatly appreciate this |
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| 01:38.34 | meflin | depends on your org |
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| 03:20.33 | Niharika | Hello. :) |
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| 04:37.59 | REDACTED | hello |
| 04:38.41 | REDACTED | anybody here? |
| 04:40.11 | Niharika | REDACTED: 222 people, apparently. |
| 04:40.44 | REDACTED | Niharika, hello i'm robert :) i am a lead developer of an open-source game engine |
| 04:41.41 | Niharika | REDACTED: Hello, Robert. :) |
| 04:42.13 | REDACTED | Niharika, http://www.enigma-dev.org is our website |
| 04:42.22 | REDACTED | Niharika, i wanted to ask, what is gsoc? |
| 04:43.04 | Niharika | REDACTED: I am not one of the organizers of the program. Have you been through the website for GSoC? |
| 04:43.44 | Niharika | REDACTED: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/about_page |
| 04:43.55 | REDACTED | Niharika, yes i have and i am quite confused, is it like a summer camp where teenagers and college students learn skills that will help them in a career as far as software development? |
| 04:44.05 | REDACTED | i am 20 years old btw |
| 04:44.50 | Niharika | REDACTED: Are you looking for participating in GSoC? And if you are, it is a requirememnt that you should be enrolled in a university for the same. |
| 04:45.26 | Niharika | REDACTED: There is no ¨camp¨. Participants are required to code from the comforts of their home only. |
| 04:45.36 | REDACTED | Niharika, possibly but also looking for more information for my friends as well |
| 04:46.02 | REDACTED | Niharika, ohh ok i was a tad confused by that, is it only offered in certain areas? |
| 04:46.10 | REDACTED | some of us are from rural pennsylvania |
| 04:46.48 | scorche | REDACTED: it is offered in all aread of the world except where there is a legal reason where it cannot |
| 04:46.58 | scorche | there is a full list of countries in the FAQ |
| 04:47.00 | Niharika | REDACTED: You need to select a project you find interesting enough and then you can apply for it, submit a proposal. The organizations will evaluate prospective students based on the proposals and select the one it finds most suitable. |
| 04:47.15 | REDACTED | i see |
| 04:47.42 | scorche | REDACTED: it'd probably be a good idea to have a read through the FAQ before asking further questions =) |
| 04:49.09 | olly | REDACTED: AFAIK, rural pennsylvania isn't yet on the US governments list of places that US companies can't do business with, so you should be OK |
| 04:51.14 | REDACTED | ok thanks! |
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| 15:52.48 | karthik | Hey |
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| 16:13.30 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 16:13.36 | carols | happy friday everyone |
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| 16:15.05 | downey | ohh tiem for tea already? |
| 16:15.10 | downey | TGIF |
| 16:15.19 | carols | hi downey :-) |
| 16:15.25 | downey | good morning carols |
| 16:17.13 | carols | hope you're doing well |
| 16:17.47 | downey | so far! but hard to complain on a friday |
| 16:19.55 | Niharika | compliments carols on her patience while answering queries on the GSoC google group. |
| 16:20.06 | carols | thanks Niharika |
| 16:20.10 | carols | it's not that bad |
| 16:20.35 | Niharika | Most of them dont even bother going through the website properly. |
| 16:21.54 | carols | it's true |
| 16:21.58 | carols | but then again, most people are lazy. |
| 16:22.01 | carols | including me, |
| 16:22.04 | carols | so i understand. |
| 16:22.38 | carols | however, they are ruining any possible impression of them being self starters. |
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| 16:26.29 | Niharika | carols: Indeed. |
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| 16:39.11 | unitraxx | Who will be present at FOSDEM tomorrow? |
| 16:39.45 | carols | unitraxx: i'm sure lots of people :-) |
| 16:39.58 | unitraxx | I'll wear my gsoc t-shirt with proud ;) |
| 16:40.03 | carols | great :-) |
| 16:40.11 | unitraxx | it's probably "pride"" isn't it? |
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| 16:41.32 | unitraxx | and here I was thinking that my English skills had become flawless :) |
| 16:42.39 | Arthur_D | yes, it's pride, like in "My words are a matter of pride - be prepared!" - Scar from Lion King |
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| 17:24.12 | carols | sips some tea |
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| 17:24.48 | carols | everyone ready for org apps on monday? ;-) |
| 17:25.03 | Arthur_D | yeah we're getting in shape |
| 17:25.14 | Arthur_D | already have a student looking at the code :) |
| 17:25.33 | carols | awesome :-) |
| 17:25.38 | unitraxx | I hope it's a big plus if a student from last year appears on the mentor list? ;) |
| 17:26.19 | carols | unitraxx: most definitely. |
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| 17:30.52 | umccullough | :) |
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| 17:31.20 | umccullough | it may be friday, but i think some of us have a long weekend ahead :D |
| 17:35.13 | narendraj9 | Could someone direct me to some projects that use ARM assembly programming? |
| 17:35.20 | Niharika | Arthur_D: Which organization? |
| 17:35.37 | narendraj9 | Niharika: I was about to ask the same thing. :-D |
| 17:35.54 | Niharika | narendraj9: :D |
| 17:37.28 | shahhena95 | Can someone help me choosing an organization ? please |
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| 17:37.48 | umccullough | you might wait to find out which orgs apply and get selected |
| 17:38.07 | umccullough | shahhena95, you have until march 21st to submit the student proposals ;) |
| 17:38.21 | unitraxx | Niharika: we are from SuperTuxKart |
| 17:38.47 | Niharika | unitraxx: I see. |
| 17:39.01 | Arthur_D | yes |
| 17:39.08 | shahhena95 | Hey umccullough ! |
| 17:39.12 | Arthur_D | what the 'traxx said ;) |
| 17:40.01 | shahhena95 | i am a beginner , so I feel like starting some work now ! |
| 17:40.27 | Niharika | unitraxx: Can you give me the link to your Ideas page? |
| 17:40.42 | umccullough | shahhena95, you certainly can! |
| 17:40.45 | shahhena95 | someone please help ! |
| 17:40.57 | umccullough | just go find some org to work with :) |
| 17:41.06 | unitraxx | Niharika: http://supertuxkart.sourceforge.net/GSoC_topics_2014 |
| 17:41.12 | unitraxx | but it's being finalized atm |
| 17:41.15 | shahhena95 | yeah ! |
| 17:42.48 | Niharika | unitraxx: Looks really interesting. Hope you get selected. :D |
| 17:42.49 | umccullough | shahhena95, here's a list of orgs that participated in GSoC last year, maybe you'll see one you like: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2013 |
| 17:43.45 | shahhena95 | umccullough , i checked them out but I feel they all are beyond my reach :( |
| 17:44.09 | umccullough | not sure I can help you with that problem... |
| 17:44.23 | unitraxx | shahhena95: what languages do you know? |
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| 17:46.13 | carols | shahhena95: unfortunately (or fortunately) you have to take a leap and believe in yourself that you *can* participate. |
| 17:46.24 | carols | no one's going to do it for you, and it's not true that things are beyond your reach too. |
| 17:46.26 | carols | :-) |
| 17:47.07 | shahhena95 | thank you carols :) |
| 17:47.12 | carols | yw :-) |
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| 17:54.25 | sidthekid_ | hi.! can someone point out some projects that are associated with webgl or three.js? |
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| 18:01.04 | blast007 | sidthekid_: if you check the organization list from last year, you can add 'webgl' as a tag to filter the list. http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2013 |
| 18:01.53 | blast007 | not necessarily getting all of them, nor is there a guarantee that those same orgs will apply or be approved this year, but it's a start. |
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| 18:04.59 | VaticanCameos | unitraxx: Isn't SuperTux that Mario-like game? |
| 18:05.37 | unitraxx | SuperTuxKart is similar to Mario Kart yes |
| 18:05.44 | unitraxx | (SuperTux is something else) |
| 18:06.49 | unitraxx | last year 2 projects were dedicated to online multiplayer and we aim to have another student working on it |
| 18:07.41 | VaticanCameos | Amazing...so you guys actually work through GSoc. |
| 18:08.09 | VaticanCameos | I'm sure you'll get a load of applications. |
| 18:08.40 | unitraxx | Yeah games are always popular :) |
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| 18:14.17 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
| 18:14.22 | carols | more questions today, that's nice :-) |
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| 18:44.04 | narendraj9 | so many people. no talks. |
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| 18:50.00 | carols | it's a shame, narendraj9. |
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| 19:39.01 | narendraj9 | carols: i truly agree. |
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| 19:43.21 | narendraj9 | I am an electronics engineering student. I have taken a course in 8085 assembly and is currently studying a course in embedded systems. We also started learning about the arm a-8 processors. I was wondering if I have enough skills to be a part of beagleboard.org. |
| 19:44.10 | carols | narendraj9: did you ask beagleboard that question? |
| 19:44.28 | narendraj9 | not yet. |
| 19:44.35 | carols | well, that's a good place to start :-) |
| 19:44.54 | narendraj9 | I think I should now. :) thanks carols :) |
| 19:44.55 | carols | none of us in here know the ins and outs of the skill requirements beagleboard has, but they will for sure. |
| 19:45.06 | carols | since, well, it's their code :-) |
| 19:45.29 | narendraj9 | yes. :) |
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| 19:54.56 | downey | narendraj9: they're in #beagle in case you didn't find them yet |
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| 19:56.08 | umccullough | narendraj9, I might have another possible ARM-related project you could be interested in too, feel free to PM me |
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| 19:56.49 | narendraj9 | downey: I am waiting for an answer there.. :) thanks anyway. |
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| 21:47.45 | carols | meflin: sure |
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