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03:14.55NiharikaHello.
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03:18.35stqismHowdy
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03:53.13meflinhmm cant find last years org app that I filed even when I switch years ... I thought I had dont that before
03:55.03stqismStill not yet?
03:55.21meflinnot yet what?
03:56.44stqism"hmm cant find last years org app that I filed even when I switch years ... I thought I had dont that before "
03:57.18meflinand that helps me understand what cannot be understood how?
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04:49.48umcculloughmeflin, i don't think you can view previous apps on melange
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06:12.47neo1691Good morning everyone!
06:13.15Niharikaneo1691: Not morning for everyone. :P
06:13.55neo1691Niharika, :P Good "$TimeOfDay" :)
06:14.09Niharika:P
06:14.52meflinits OMG late and filliing out forms even if they are GSOC make me cranky
06:15.29neo1691forms? Has the students forms submissions began>
06:15.42umcculloughorgs
06:16.07Niharikameflin: Which organization are you filling the forms for? Wikimedia?
06:17.17meflinPython and SyncDif(efernt)
06:17.29meflinI'm a glutton for punishment :P
06:17.47stqismAnyone want to give me feedback on Tox's idea list?
06:18.05stqismMy eyes hurt from working on it
06:18.18meflinsure why not ...
06:18.43stqismhttp://wiki.tox.im/Proposed_Google_Summer_of_Code_ideas
06:19.39stqismWell, you folks /are/ more experienced at this than I am.
06:20.22umcculloughlooking pretty good
06:20.31meflindetails of most ideas are not very ... detailed
06:20.41meflinone project reads "Working side by side with the relay team, the Android students will be responsible for designing a client based off the Tox API"
06:20.49meflintotal description
06:21.02meflinI would recommend a more detailed ... detail
06:21.26stqismmeflin: Yeah, during the middle I was getting that feeling.
06:21.30umcculloughcompared to previous revisions, it's a major improvement :)
06:21.40stqismumccullough: It isn't a table ;)
06:21.58umcculloughand it's not orange and red :D
06:22.24meflinits largely a mater of specifics
06:22.56stqismYeah, I've got time, I can do that tomorrow.
06:26.02meflinPoison actualy seems like a good idea of how to list ideas
06:27.16stqismOddly enough poison was the one I didn't do.
06:27.34meflinbuild system isn't easy ;)
06:28.54stqismOkay, that /might/ pass as a medium
06:29.06meflinI would go with e-m
06:30.06meflinbuild is _hard_ and the arch-design front  especialy for students ... the coding is probably easy
06:30.20meflinmentor mators alot for this
06:31.21stqismThe mentor for the build system is absurdly skilled at shell scripts.
06:32.08stqismHe built an xml parser using ksh93 obeject oriented shell scripting, that was a scary feat.
06:32.44meflinhow about the  arch-design front?
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06:33.53stqismWell, his primary OS is SunOS on SPARC, so.....
06:34.13stqismDamn well skilled at all these weird things.
06:34.24meflinwell this is dang specific pm?
06:34.39stqismPardon?
06:34.57edsiperstqism, i would add more details to each "details" section without jump to a different page
06:35.35stqismedsiper: Yeah, I was getting tired and as meflin said, it needs to be fleshed out.
06:36.02edsiperstqism, you have to assume that the reader do not have "an idea" about what you are talking about, so you need to put more detailed info
06:37.13stqismedsiper: I completely agree, and might need to flesh out the org application now.
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07:09.02kblinmorning folks
07:09.35stqismHowdy
07:09.55meflinkblin: see logs questions where asked about you a zillion hours ago
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07:15.15kblinoh, there's more than just "hi, I like gsocbot, I'd like to rewrite it using a different bot engine, want to help?"
07:15.41kblinalso.. crap, don't have this ssh key on the machine that gsocbot is running on
07:15.59meflinta da
07:16.11stqismkblin: What is that bot made out of?
07:16.33kblinit's a supybot, like the initial implementation of socbot back in.. 2006ish
07:16.46SlurpeeDrupal has a cool irc bot you can manage via web. phpirc based - https://drupal.org/project/bot
07:16.55Slurpeeit's how we run our community bot
07:17.01Slurpeeor shall I say "manage" ;)
07:17.14stqismNever did like supybot, for my channel I ended up making mine from scratch
07:17.31kblinI had hoped initially that I'd be able to get the factoids of dandersnon's socinfo bot
07:17.36stqismEven built a fun dynamic module system around it
07:18.22kblinI'm not super exited about supybot, but I've got the stuff that I need working
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07:19.31stqismYeah, in #bitcoin-otc a guy built a supybot fork using a very nice orderbook, ticker, and gpg/key auth system.
07:19.47stqismImpressive for the bot, still don't like supybot.
07:20.13kblinoh, wait, I just haven't set up the correct username in .ssh/config... phew
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07:21.27kblinthere we go
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07:22.33kblinpoor widdle thing got confused during the recent DDoS attacks on freenode
07:22.43kblin!cookie
07:22.44gsocbotkblin: "cookie" is omnomnom
07:24.14kblinanyway, the thing that amused me about the question of "rewrite gsocbot using a different engine" question was more the "want to help?"
07:25.16meflin!tea
07:25.16gsocbotmeflin: "tea" is Have some tea and try to relax!
07:25.19thebolthi kblin , been a while :) how's it going?
07:25.25kblinhey thebolt
07:26.14kblintrying to avoid becoming the sysadmin at my new developer job :)
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07:28.41kblinthebolt: what about yourself? how's the company going?
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07:55.12theboltkblin: quite okay.. just had six days off (chinese new year), came back to an inbox that took 5 hours to empty (but now it is empty again)
07:55.18theboltkblin: company started selling and delivering
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07:57.10kblinyay
07:57.18kblinon the latter part, at least :)
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08:33.47theboltkblin: also results in a lot of work... hard to change a company from being 100% developing to delivering on time, to spec, with quality etc
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08:55.11kblinthebolt: sure, but actually selling something means you're actually making money for a change :)
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10:32.20bePoliteIs it too late to start preparing for GSOC?
10:32.39Guest92605bePolite: as an org or student ?
10:32.42waldino. organizations have until next week
10:32.47bePoliteAs a student
10:33.09Guest92605bePolite: no
10:33.12bePoliteI just saw info about the stuff now I just wanted to know If I still have time
10:33.36Guest92605bePolite: you have time till march 10 ..
10:33.39Guest92605a lot of time
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10:35.54bePoliteOK then I think I would start
10:36.24bePoliteThe thing Is I can start studying a project now but what if the organization is not chosen for GSOC?
10:37.14bePoliteIs it advisable to wait until the list of chosen organizations is  out before you start hacking?
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10:47.07Guest92605bePolite: advice never works..your intuition does.  You have see the pattern of past org participating be in touch with them
10:48.20bePolitethanks man
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13:42.13VarunAgwWhere can I find logs for this channel?
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13:50.52abhgangwarVarunAgw, here you go http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/
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15:42.35colonolGrondo most students get accepted or are there so many that its hard to participate in gsoc?
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15:43.38vultraz_oldnot sure
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15:44.44maedhros777Yeah, I was wondering that too -- I haven't really been able to find statistics
15:44.44osdc_bottoo lost a life. (Karma: -1)
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15:46.29astroduckI do know that this year they will accept 10% more students so it will be easier than last time
15:46.37astroduckAlso 10% more orgs
15:46.44colonolGronsounds good :)
15:46.59maedhros777Yeah that's good
15:47.10colonolGrondid anyone in here already participate?
15:47.29astroduckThis will be my first year (hopefully)
15:47.49colonolGroni would like to try it too
15:47.54sidthekidany program that offers great rewards like this one(financial + learning) will surely get alot of quality applicants
15:48.37sidthekidI know that from my college many good coders try but only a few 'get lucky' :P
15:49.29MatthewWilkes!numapps
15:49.29gsocbotMatthewWilkes: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 orgs and 1212 of 6685 proposals (by 4258 students) were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs and 1116 of 5474 proposals (by 3731 students) were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs and 1026 of 5539 propsals (by 3464 students) were (1 more message)
15:49.53VaticanCameossidthekid: It's all about communication and finding the right organization to start with.
15:50.28colonolGronhow do you mean that VaticanCameos ?
15:50.32VaticanCameosThis will be my first year too, if everything works out.
15:50.44VaticanCameoscolonolGron: I've been told by a friend who participated last year.
15:51.25sidthekidcan we say its a bit like dating? :P
15:51.48maedhros777Hahaha
15:52.08vultraz_oldsnickers
15:52.09VaticanCameossidthekid: Dating is far more complicated ;p
15:52.51maedhros777Should we start looking at organizations once the list is released, or should we be looking at last year's orgs now?
15:53.01VaticanCameosmaedhros777: I started with yesteryear's list.
15:53.01astroduckAre orgs proposal visible before deadline?
15:53.08VaticanCameosFair chance that most will apply.
15:53.19vultraz_oldI know Wesnoth will try to apply
15:54.03maedhros777Ok sounds good
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15:57.53colonolGrondo we apply for an organization or for a specific task?
15:58.20umcculloughas a student, a specific project
15:59.11colonolGronand the project gets chosen by the organization?
16:01.30astroduckcolonolGron: Yes! An org applies with n projects and Google gives the m slots where n<m usually, and then orgs choose m projects out of n. So a projects which is not very popular in community might not me in those m projects
16:01.48umcculloughyou can propose your own project
16:02.14umcculloughor choose from a list the org provides
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16:03.57TannousMarcIf I completed 3 tasks during the 2013 GCI will I recieve my diploma? If yes, when will it be delivered?
16:05.10binnyastroduck: n < m?
16:05.12tachyonsTannousMarc, you will get certificate + a T shirt
16:05.31TannousMarcOh, that's cool. Do you have any idea when they will start delivering them?
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16:06.33astroduckOops typo, m<n
16:06.43narendraj9astroduck: okay.. :)
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16:07.34vultraz_oldTannousMarc: starting now, I guess
16:07.43vultraz_oldwell, give a few weeks
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16:11.06astroduckTannousMarc: Only after all accepted projects are alloted to students, I believe. Which is atleast a month away.
16:13.00colonolGronalright, thanks astroduck
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16:13.39tachyonsastroduck, he is talking about gci not gsoc
16:14.14astroducktachyons: Oh, oops again, I should work on my reading skills :P
16:14.25astroduckis feeling stupid
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16:15.09vultraz_old:P
16:19.23TannousMarcSoooooooooooooo
16:19.29TannousMarcsafe to say that this month they should be delivered?
16:20.10vultraz_oldor the next
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16:38.04bitfoxhi guys, I'm a research fellow... can I partecipate to gsoc 2014?
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16:40.16umcculloughin what capacity? as a mentoring organization, or as a student?
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16:47.38ace_striker!logs
16:47.39gsocbotace_striker: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/
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16:51.16bitfox@umccullough: as student
16:52.19umcculloughstudent eligibility info can be found here: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#1._Are_there_any_age_restrictions_on
16:52.20tachyonsbitfox, phd students can participate
16:55.08bitfoxok... I already take a look to a particular part: "Google defines a student as an individual enrolled in or accepted into an accredited institution including (but not necessarily limited to) colleges, universities, masters programs, PhD programs and undergraduate programs"
16:55.16bitfoxI'm not a phd student
16:55.48bitfoxI'm enrolled into an accredited institution as research fellow, not as a student
16:56.17bitfoxso, it seems that I can't partecipate, right?
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16:57.01umcculloughyou can perhaps ask carols when she is here
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16:57.22umcculloughwhich, i suspect will be soonish
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17:10.59bitfoxok, thank you umccullough... I will look forwared for carols. Meanwhile, I would like to ask if there is some member of wiselib group here in this room, to know if the send their partecipation as mentoring organization for gsoc 2014 as they did last year...
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17:14.17kblinace_striker: hey there
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17:15.09ace_strikerkblin: hi..i pinged you yesterday ..how are you ?
17:15.22kblinace_striker: I don't really have the time to rewrite gsocbot in coffeescript, especially as I don't like the coffescript syntax :)
17:15.45ace_strikerkblin: it's on me
17:15.47kblinso apart from "writing an irc bot", what is it that you want to achive :)
17:15.49kblin?
17:16.14ace_strikerdidn't thought about it..sounds cool me so i approached
17:16.46kblinfair enough
17:17.13ace_strikeranyways..i don't have any issues with gsocbot..let it be that way..
17:17.39ace_strikerkblin: but i was just suggesting for hubot framework
17:18.00ace_strikerhttp://hubot.github.com/
17:18.02kblinI'm not too attached to supybot as a framework, but I think "don't fix it if it ain't broken" very much applies here
17:18.33ace_strikerabsolutely agree with that.
17:19.33kblinI initially used supybot because socinfo, the first channel bot we had back in 2006 or such was a supybot, and I was hoping its owner would reappear long enough to give me the factoid database
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17:19.55meflinit was a trap
17:20.03ace_strikerkblin: is there any way to add missing functionality (if any) just to collaborate
17:20.15ace_strikeragain for me only
17:21.23kblinace_striker: https://github.com/kblin/supybot-gsoc is the codebase I run gsocbot from
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17:22.16kblinI'm happy to look at pull requests / patches, and discuss features that you have in mind
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17:24.35kblinwhoops, time for me to get out of work, be back later
17:26.56ace_strikerok thanks
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17:30.11carolsserves some tea and coffee
17:30.37meflincrawls to the tea
17:32.05carolshey meflin
17:32.06carols:-)
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17:33.02meflinI have a new blend today! woot
17:33.27stqismHowdy, carols!
17:33.32carolshi stqism
17:34.13stqismcarols: So, I know I need more detail, but otherwise, better? http://wiki.tox.im/Proposed_Google_Summer_of_Code_ideas
17:34.47carolsstqism: yes, much improved!
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17:44.10carolsstqism: now there's just adding more detail to that and the matter of the rest of the application :-)
17:44.45meflinhmm the edit I suggested hasn't been made in my app time to poke with sticks :D
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17:49.34carolsmeflin: poking with sticks is my favorite part.
17:49.44carolsdon't tell anyone ;-)
17:50.05meflinmy first year that is what got me to agree .... free sticks
17:50.42carolssticks are never free
17:50.44meflinunfortunately they are on to me and now I have to bring my own
17:50.47carolssometimes they just *seem* free
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17:51.10meflinand they drink my tea as well!
17:51.21carolsfreeloaders ;-)
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17:51.24meflingrumbles
17:53.59stqismcarols: I should tweak my application a bit, but I'd be glad if you took a look :P
17:54.10carolsstqism: at the application itself?
17:54.22stqismcarols: Correct
17:54.37carolsstqism: and you're ok with me giving you feedback in a logged IRC channel?
17:54.39carolswant to make sure.
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17:54.46stqismcarols: Message it
17:54.50carolsok
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18:13.46rvraghav93will simplecv participate in gsoc 14 ?
18:13.58carolsrvraghav93: have they applied?
18:14.18rvraghav93dont know yet ... how to find out?
18:14.44rvraghav93carols: ^
18:15.08carolsrvraghav93: ask them.
18:15.22carolsand then it's their prerogative if they tell you.
18:15.36carolswe don't release any names of applicants. they get to decide if they want to make that public.
18:16.13rvraghav93carols: okay ! thanks...
18:16.20carolsyw!
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18:32.55s1991hey, anybody can tell me since only 1 month is left for goc, what should I do?
18:33.15s1991i mean to get through gsoc this year
18:34.04stqisms1991: Follow the rules perfectly
18:34.26s1991stqism: which one :P
18:34.46stqisms1991: a, where a is any possible number :)
18:34.52gevaertss1991: rule*s*!
18:35.50s1991is 1 mnth sufficient to prepare for it
18:36.13stqismAs a student? An org?
18:36.46meflinyou should find an org and start working with them now
18:36.48s1991stqism: student
18:37.27s1991can anyone suggest good org. for javascript, python
18:37.28umcculloughsince the list of orgs isn't even published, most students dont' yet even know what projects they can do
18:37.45umcculloughorgs are still applying until 2/14/2014
18:37.59umccullough2014-02-14
18:38.05umcculloughsorry for non-U.S. people :)
18:38.07stqismumccullough: I can tell you FreeBSD and kde are in.
18:38.07meflinbut you can look at the list of orgs from 2013 to get an idea
18:38.20meflinstqism: no you cant
18:38.31s1991umccullough: those they also reveal projects, i.e. on which project they want work
18:38.37umcculloughyou can certainly start perusing idea lists, or coming up with your own, in anticipation of certain orgs getting in
18:38.37stqismmeflin: Okay, I can predict.
18:39.07meflineven large orgs with many years do not always make the cut ( i've seen it happen )
18:39.22umcculloughhaiku didn't make it in last year after 6 consecutive years :/
18:39.22gevaertsumccullough: don't worry. We spend a *lot* of our time feeling sorry for you US people being stuck with that sort of insanity :)
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18:39.37umcculloughgevaerts, yeah, it drives me bonkers
18:39.42umcculloughand i grew up with it
18:39.54stqismPoor haiku
18:40.42umcculloughstqism, the only reason given was randomly denying projects...
18:40.49umcculloughin order to give others a try
18:41.01umcculloughand thus... no guarantees for anyone ;)
18:41.05s1991Hey, i was asking does org. tell the projects on whiich they need work
18:41.18umcculloughs1991, they provide a list, yes
18:41.22umcculloughbut it's not always exclusive
18:41.32stqisms1991: Students can suggest projects as well
18:41.35umcculloughmany orgs will allows students to choose a project not on the list
18:42.03s1991umccullough: can you tell the links of projects of '13
18:42.34stqisms1991: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2013
18:42.59s1991thnks
18:43.17umccullougheach org publishes an "ideas" page on their website
18:43.34umcculloughso to get an idea of an org's projects, you'd have to visit their ideas page from last year
18:43.39s1991so do student need to give only sample project to org.
18:43.41umccullough(or their ideas page from this year if they have it up)
18:43.58umcculloughlet me send you some links
18:43.58carolss1991: it depends on the org. talk to them. ask them how they integrate new developers.
18:44.00s1991umccullough: ok
18:44.25s1991carols: ok, thnks
18:44.28carolsyw
18:44.57umcculloughhm.. the www.booki.cc links are broken
18:45.51umcculloughlooks like the place to go is flossmanuals.net now?
18:46.19umcculloughhttp://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/index/
18:46.24umcculloughtry some of that - links on the left
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18:52.05s1991could anybody just take a look over this http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2013/mozilla, they have not provided any idea, what they expect from students to do
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18:52.32umcculloughclick the Ideas Page link at the bottom there
18:52.51umcculloughevery org builds their own
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18:53.47umcculloughhint: it's an orange link on gray bar
18:54.15s1991umccullough: sorry i didn't see it
18:54.18s1991thanks
18:54.45umcculloughat the bottom of every org description, you should see that link to take you to their ideas page - which should provide other student information as well
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19:12.14ishan1604Hi anyone here who can help me with Gsoc?
19:12.27umcculloughas a mentor org, or as a student?
19:12.37ishan1604As a student
19:12.46umcculloughwhat's your question?
19:13.02ishan1604I am new to IRC so please forgive if I break some rules this Chat client is quite scary
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19:13.38umcculloughjust act natural, we're all just chatting :)
19:14.00ishan1604I am in 2nd year right now. I have good command over Native Android Development using Java
19:14.14umcculloughk
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19:14.35ishan1604I was unable to find any organisations that I could do a project with last year.
19:15.12umcculloughwell, be forewarned, the list of accepted orgs hasn't been published yet
19:15.23umcculloughin fact, orgs are still in their application process until feb 14th
19:15.30ishan1604yeah I saw that.
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19:15.54ishan1604But can't we make an estimate from past projects, which organisations might take part
19:15.55stqismYeah, wait till we're all finalized and then you should be able to view the ideas for orgs
19:15.55ishan1604?
19:16.09umcculloughyou can review past orgs on melange
19:16.23stqismishan1604: You can try, but it won't be official. Some might some back, some might not.
19:17.03umcculloughgo here, choose the year from the dropdown box, and then click "see all XXX mentoring organizations": http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2013
19:17.36umcculloughoptionally... if there's an org you wish would participate, you can contact them, and ask directly
19:17.50umcculloughor better - suggest that they apply before feb 14th ;)
19:17.59ishan1604ok.
19:18.38ishan1604What are some nice things to show to these organisations as I haven't been active on many Open Source Projects So far.
19:18.46ishan1604Have done a Lot of freelancing.
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19:19.58umccullougheach org has different guidelines for potential students
19:20.14umcculloughyou should visit their "Ideas" page to see what they say
19:20.36kuruse0most of organization requires bug fixing, can any one explain it
19:21.19s1991kuruse0: can you sugget which org. requires bug fixing
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19:22.34umcculloughkuruse0, it's a good way to show your skills ;)
19:22.46umcculloughplus, they get free bugfixes :D
19:23.13umcculloughthis guide has some good info for potential students: http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/
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19:32.40kuruse0are there any guide to bugfixing??
19:33.32Arthur_Dmainly, find the org you want to help out, and find their bug tracker. Ask them if you need more details
19:34.19Arthur_Dobviously you need to get their source code too to fix the bug
19:37.04garciargumccullough: Thanks for the GSOC Student Guide link. Really helpful!
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19:43.06ishan1604@umccullough thanks a lot for your help. I just found an org of my grave interest. And joined their mailing list. :)
19:44.35s1991Hey, do GSoc call students to work somewhere or its a kinda work from home
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19:45.46Ivanovics1991: from home
19:45.55Ivanovicso yeah, you need to have a working internet connect!
19:45.57Ivanovic;)
19:46.12Ivanovicand in fact you are not really employed by google
19:46.13s1991hehe yeeh
19:46.29Ivanovicit is more that google is just paying the money, you are doing with work with/for the open source project which selected you
19:46.40s1991Ivanovic: are you from mentor org.
19:46.45Ivanovicjepp
19:47.04s1991Ivanovic: which one
19:47.10Ivanovicwesnoth
19:47.35Ivanovicthat is: so far it is not sure if we will be accepted (again), this will be decided later, but we plan to submit our org application
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19:48.42ishan1604@Ivanovic are you guys having any open source projects in Android, I would like to contribute and get a flavour of open source development
19:49.04Ivanovicno, we will most likely not offer anything for android
19:49.10s1991Ivanovic: if in case it got selected, what kinda projects would be there
19:49.22Ivanovicgaming related projects
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19:49.41s1991any python related or javascript
19:49.42Ivanovicthat means engine, ai, server, ... work
19:49.53Ivanovicjavascript: no, python: unlikely
19:50.11Ivanovicwhat i would recommend you to do now: contact some organization that you already know somehow
19:50.25Ivanovicmeaning: a program you use regulary and would like to change/improve
19:51.56s1991Ivanovic: hmm, thnks for suggestion
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20:33.23s1991Hello any mentor org. here having Django related projects
20:33.46meflintry a search on the 2013 org list
20:33.51carolss1991: have you checked out the list of organizations in the past and searched by the tag "django"?
20:34.18s1991ok i do that
20:34.40carolsgreat
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20:36.18s1991carols: you are from which org
20:36.31carolss1991: i'm not from an org. i'm the program administrator.
20:36.51s1991oh  thats great
20:36.56carols:-)
20:36.58carolsi agree.
20:37.32Arthur_Dyou're the organizer of all the orgs? ;)
20:37.42carolsi am.
20:37.45umcculloughorganizer of chaos!
20:37.45Arthur_Dso kinda a meta-org
20:37.47carolsand what a difficult job it is, too.
20:38.02Arthur_Dhopefully not meta-orc because that would be scary
20:38.12carolschaos does not lend itself well to order :-)
20:38.17meflinChief Cat Herder
20:38.48carolsmeflin: my title is cat herder on my business cards :-)
20:38.54carolsmaybe i should give myself a promotion.
20:38.58meflinyou should!
20:39.25meflinI can write you a recommendation if that helps ;)
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20:40.08carolsmeflin: i'm sure it would :-)
20:40.34meflinI'll start soaking the paper in cat nip now
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20:43.20carolsexcellent.
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20:53.52carolsserves some coffee and tea
20:53.56carolshas some tea herself
20:54.16umcculloughputs adds whiskey to the coffee
20:54.24umccullougher... you know what i meant
20:54.48meflinits a shame to waste good tea or whiskey on each other ;)
20:54.56carolshaha :-)
20:55.06downeytea, did someone say tea?
20:55.25gevaertsumccullough: you've clearly done this before :)
20:55.33umcculloughgevaerts, often...
20:55.50umcculloughkeeps a bottle next to the coffee maker
20:55.58perepujalgevaerts: he is not the only
20:56.15gevaertsumccullough: I deduced this from the way you constructed that sentence :)
20:56.21umcculloughlol
20:56.38umcculloughi'd be lying if i said the coffee i'm drinking this very moment didn't contain alcohol
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20:58.30s1991carols: i knew last time there were nearly 1900 student selected for gsoc, can you approxly tell how many of people were registered!
20:58.44gevaerts!numapps
20:58.45gsocbotgevaerts: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 orgs and 1212 of 6685 proposals (by 4258 students) were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs and 1116 of 5474 proposals (by 3731 students) were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs and 1026 of 5539 propsals (by 3464 students) were (1 more message)
20:58.51carolss1991: we've never had 1900 students participate.
20:59.05carolsthis year we're going to have over 1300 which will be the most we've ever had.
20:59.38s1991so last year how many were registered..
20:59.48gevaerts!numapps | s1991
20:59.48gsocbots1991: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 orgs and 1212 of 6685 proposals (by 4258 students) were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs and 1116 of 5474 proposals (by 3731 students) were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs and 1026 of 5539 propsals (by 3464 students) were (1 more message)
21:00.20carolss1991: it's all there for you as gevaerts is trying to show you :-)
21:00.36meflinmmm more slots then every .. yum :D
21:00.39meflinever
21:01.06s1991gsocbot: that buddy
21:01.32s1991so almost 25% of students get selected :P
21:01.52gevaertsYes, but...
21:01.57gevaerts!odds | s1991
21:01.58gsocbots1991: "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead.
21:02.41stqisms1991: It isn't like they choose students from a hat.
21:03.05gevaertsstqism: well, except for the fedora people, maybe? ;)
21:03.13stqism:P
21:03.14meflinheh
21:03.23s1991gsocbot: i definately don't mean that, i was just check if i work hard for this time, there may be chances
21:03.42carolsi've said it before and i will say it again: the not-so-secret way to increase your chances of getting accepted into gsoc is to show enthusiasm for and contribute to an organization well before the applications open for students
21:04.06s1991hey, anybody from Fedora, i really like to know abt it
21:04.32carolss1991: the best way to find people from fedora is to visit the fedora community.
21:04.41stqismcarols: Wait, I thought you project admins chose people?
21:04.48s1991carols: i'm contributing, for mozilla
21:04.51carolsstqism: choose students?
21:04.55stqismcarols: Yup
21:04.59carolss1991: excellent
21:05.10carolsshudders at the idea of having to choose students for gsoc
21:05.13meflinto bussy for that she pawns that work down to us lowly org admins
21:05.32carolsstqism: no, i don't look at any of the 5,000 applications, my head would probably explode :-)
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21:06.07stqismcarols: You're telling me /when ;)/ we get accepted, we'll be responsible for sorting out through a bunch of applicants? :P
21:06.14umccullough:D
21:06.28carolsstqism: reason #902884 we choose orgs so carefully :-)
21:06.30umcculloughgoogle assigns a number of slots to each org, so you only have to pick a few ;)
21:06.43stqismcarols: I'm not complaining here :P
21:06.56carolsstqism: i don't know how else we would do it....
21:06.59meflinstqism: and remember you get to live with the choices you make in students
21:07.14gevaertsstqism: how could anyone but you figure out who's the right person for *your* projects?
21:07.19carolswhat gevaerts said
21:07.53stqismGuys, I thought it like you folks do a pre screening, weed out the obvious no's
21:08.02stqismIt was like
21:08.04meflinthat is your job
21:08.11umcculloughyou get the privilege :)
21:08.31carolsit's difficult enough reviewing the org apps every year...
21:08.31stqismOkay, makes sense. First year here, still learning the ins and outs of this.
21:08.37carolsi can't even imagine choosing students too
21:08.40umcculloughthe obvious nos *are* weeded out - if they don't meet eligibility requirements :D
21:08.43carolsi would probably have an aneurysm
21:09.11perepujalChoose students is the worst part of GSOC
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21:09.17Arthur_Dhe can't Google use linguistic parsing and fancy algorithms to do that :P
21:09.18stqismQuestion, does Google provide the list of students? Do they apply for an org, how does that work?
21:09.40meflinstudents apply and they show up in melange
21:09.50umcculloughmelange will be your dashboard
21:09.58stqismI see
21:10.00meflinthen you use your orgs process to choose them for projects
21:10.14umcculloughour org has a private mailing list that the mentors use
21:10.26stqismYeah, makes sense
21:10.41umcculloughwell...it's just a google group, but it's private
21:11.00meflinnot the 'your orgs process"
21:11.09meflinnote grr
21:11.20umcculloughheh, that was confusing ;)
21:11.48umcculloughthis is why students are always encouraged to get involved with the org early
21:11.59meflinits definitely monday
21:12.03umcculloughso they can establish themselves and not be completely unknown
21:16.09stqismcarols: I had an actual student contributor come up and tell me something amazing that relates to skills they'll learn working with us, can I quote him directly in the application?
21:16.27carolsstqism: sure, go for it.
21:16.33stqismPerfect
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21:18.07meflinfilling out my person profile I got stumped on the where did you here about gsoc question
21:18.18meflinthink think think
21:18.20carolsmeflin: i did too, if it makes you feel any better.
21:18.23meflinit was a long time ago :D
21:19.00meflinI did recall but I was still tempted to write : I'm to old for this :D
21:19.29carolsmelange would have accepted it...
21:20.07meflinI thought it would be better to excersize the gray mater and be truthfull ;)
21:20.17carolswe appreciate that.
21:20.41meflinhave to limber up that gray stuff for the season anyway ;)
21:20.43stqismShould of wrote 'Written on an ancient prophecy' :P
21:20.49meflinooo nice
21:21.18Arthur_Dread the Dead Scrolls, and boom, there it was
21:22.07meflinaltho I could be more dramatic : I was kidnapped at gunpoint    has a nice ring to it :D
21:23.05stqismKidnapped at gun point, forced to explore ancient ruins, found dead sea scrolls, mentioned me filling out gsoc org applications.
21:23.42Arthur_Dor maybe just a van pulled up where they said they had candy?
21:23.55meflinthey did tell me I could have treets
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21:24.01Arthur_Dactually it was a SWAT team of Googlers
21:24.08stqismTurns out plans for gsoc were written in the candy wrappers
21:24.09meflinnow they drink my tea and make me bring my own sticks tho!
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21:25.51Arthur_Dhey tea should be a shared resource
21:26.18Arthur_Dthen we can Tea Party all the time, communism style
21:26.27meflinheh :D
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21:30.22perepujalcarols: the "where did you know about GSOC" question means about this year's GSOC or first time we did know about GSOC years ago?
21:30.36carolsperepujal: whatever you prefer.
21:30.41carolswhatever makes more sense for you.
21:30.56perepujalthanks :)
21:31.54meflinI always assumed it meant the first time ... other wise I would have just put down ... carols
21:32.06carols:-)
21:32.12carolsbbiab
21:32.18carolsdon't burnt he place down while i'm gone :-)
21:32.37meflinman talking about taking all the FUN away
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21:54.30perepujalmeflin: if it was first time why should that question be asked again and again to the same people?
21:55.16meflinpoint ... I was thinking its asked for the first timers for "marketing" reasons
21:55.36gevaertsperepujal: it's a suble psychological test to see how well you remember things
21:55.51perepujalXD :)
21:55.59gevaertsThat, and it's easier to have the same form for everyone I'd expect
21:56.15meflinI'm going to go with perepujal since gevaerts's versions means I failed :D
21:56.49gevaertsmeflin: you didn't *fail*. You've just made the experiment worth the effort!
21:57.04meflinfun now I'm a test subject
21:57.08meflindont I get cheese?
21:57.28gevaertsgives meflin some cheese
21:57.33meflinnibbles
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22:17.39kblincarols: sorry for the gsocbot outage, seems like the poor widdle thing got confused during the recent DDoS attacks
22:17.48carolskblin: no worries
22:17.54carols:-)
22:22.52carolskblin: will you be around for the rejected orgs meeting to help me corral people?
22:23.16kblinuhm, that's on a friday, right?
22:23.19kblin!timeline
22:23.20gsocbotkblin: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014
22:24.43kblin16:00 UTC, I'll try to make it to a reliable internet connection by then
22:26.30carolsyes
22:26.32carolsthanks kblin
22:26.41kblinmy pleasure
22:26.47carolsif no, no worries, but if you can't make it, just let me know so i can find someone else? :-)
22:27.27kblinso if the german railway screws up, I might have a hard time to be at home in time for the start
22:27.57kblinbut I'll only know that shortly before the show starts
22:28.49carolsalright, fair enough
22:28.55kblinI'll try to be home 2 hours before that, though, so I'm not too worried
22:29.00carolsthen we'll hope we can rely on german efficiency
22:30.12hikerGerman railways screwing up? Nooo, that won't happen ;)   I am now in Australia, I can compare ;)
22:30.42kblinhiker: I ride it for 500 miles a week, I'm less convinced
22:31.21hikerOK, that's a bit more than what I am doing here (and what I did in Germany .... 20 years ago)
22:31.21kblinbut as I said, if I catch the connection that should get me home by 14:00 UTC, I doubt too much will go wrong
22:31.59kblinfriday evening is awful, fortunately I can usually avoid that
22:32.16stqismThe fun of being in California? When I ride the train I'm doing it for fun.
22:32.20hikerI am doing around 420 KM a week ... and they cancel trains if it gets too warm here ... I mean, we are in Australia
22:33.20kblinstqism: but you probably spend as much time in traffic jams as I spend in a train
22:33.28kblinand my train's got wifi, usually :)
22:33.43hikertrain time is my main open source time ;)
22:33.58kblinarguably the google and apple shuttles also have wifi
22:34.03kblinyeah, same here
22:34.22hikerI need a wifi dongle
22:34.28hikerThe google buses were cool indeed ;)
22:34.49stqismGoogle has busses?
22:36.06carolsstqism: boy does it. https://www.google.com/search?q=google+buses
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22:36.28carolsthey're a topic of some very tense debate right now in san francisco
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22:37.12hikercarols: how important is the formatting in the org questionnaire? It drives me crazy to spot unnecessary newlines in those little edit windows, and I don't even know if  bullet lists will work as expected
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22:37.34carolshiker: you mean, am i going to reject you for your line breaks?
22:37.46carolsthe answer is no.
22:37.54hikerAre you going to get annoyed at reading all those odd aligned lines ;)
22:38.09carolshiker: i have a suggestion that will improve your application *and* drive you less crazy
22:38.12carolshow about this:
22:38.20carolssubmit a patch to melange to fix the line break issues.
22:38.37carolsthat will make you less crazy and will make me believe you're committed to improving the program
22:38.45kblinhiker: so in all the years of doing gsoc, "your application formatting sucks" was never a rejection reason brought up during the rejected orgs meeting
22:38.56hikerOh - good idea that ... I will do so immediately ... hang on, then I won't have time to apply for GSOC for my org ;)
22:38.57carolswhat kblin said.
22:39.06meflinI thought carols only got anoyed at bad coffee/tea/chocolate/wiskey
22:39.07kblin"your ideas page needs more work"
22:39.24carolsmeflin: carol doesn't get annoyed at that. carol doesn't drink those things.
22:39.38kblinor "sorry, there were only so many CMS projects we can accept each year"
22:39.45carolsbut gosh
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22:39.57carolssaying on your application "we submitted a patch to melange"
22:40.02carolsboy would that make me a happy camper.
22:40.07carolsand would be a first, too.
22:40.10kblinor even "please make sure your ideas page is publicly accessible" in one case ;)
22:40.26meflinheh I recall that one
22:40.28hiker*grin* you are trying hard ;)
22:40.31carolskblin: i've already found an application where the ideas page requires a login for this year's applications.
22:40.39gevaertskblin: to be fair, that year there weren't too many CMSes
22:40.42gevaertsMaybe related :)
22:41.19kblincarols: does the application at least give the password? :D
22:41.25carolskblin: nope!
22:41.28carolsjust a login screen
22:41.43kblinhm, that makes judging the quality pretty easy..
22:41.45carolsi hope they fix it before the deadline, or if they don't, it sure will be a short amount of time i spend on their application
22:42.36stqismcarols: Google has busses and I'm busy juggling decade old hardware donated from wd at work.
22:42.44stqismOuch
22:43.11kblinstqism: well, it would be silly to juggle with new hardware, that could break
22:43.20stqismkblin: :P
22:43.22carolsagrees with kblin
22:43.24meflinstqism: one of my gen-1 HP servers died :D deal :D
22:44.23meflinhot online spares for the win :D
22:44.27dberkholzis committed to improving the program. thus blog posts, working fosdem booths, etc
22:44.28stqismmeflin: Hey, as long as you don't have to run windows server 2003 for hardware support with a dell powervault you're living the good life
22:44.52carolsand gsoc thanks you, dberkholz
22:44.56kblindberkholz: and tweeting like crazy :)
22:45.14meflinstqism I designed and built _everything_ so yes i am
22:45.26dberkholzhey, when part of my job is literally reading twitter, i sometimes have to vent the completely absurd tweets i come across
22:45.37kblin:)
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22:46.18dberkholzi only had 7 "broadcast" tweets today, i'm not so bad
22:46.45kblinI wasn't complaining
22:47.34stqismdberkholz: You get to read twitter at work? At work I usually end up annoying the CEO till he does whatever he needs to do, for 2 weeks at a time
22:48.06dberkholzour backend people are awesome and i generally don't need approval for stuff, so the two worst parts of my job are travel and expense reports
22:48.19kblinstqism: unless you're really into juggling, it sounds like you need a different job :)
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22:49.30kblinbut I also get to read twitter on my job. I've got a couple of services tweeting their status messages
22:49.32stqismkblin: Oh, I really do like it. I work at a start-up, but little stress, easy work, and a CEO who knows my OSS work is something I would never give up
22:49.50kblinfair enough
22:50.12kblinI'm not the one to argue, I work in science :)
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22:51.05stqismHeh, I'm by title the CIO, but that means sysadmin, network operator, and purchasing
22:52.22Arthur_Dso your 3 letters stands for Checking Input Output?
22:52.31meflin:D
22:52.42stqismIt may as well
22:53.06kblinnow if you also did some coding, you'd be doing devops
22:53.07meflinboss wont let me have cards that say "chief server monkey"
22:53.11meflin:\
22:53.13stqismIsn't like hiring people fits anywhere in the IT budget.
22:54.33kblinmeflin: go for something more classy then?
22:54.39kblinchief server primate
22:54.47meflinboss only lets me use CTO
22:55.13meflinthat one I think I will try for :D
22:55.14kblinchief take-the-blame officer?
22:55.32stqismChief turn the WiFi back on Officer
22:55.47Arthur_DClassy Tardis Overlord, that's a title I would want
22:55.53kblin:)
22:55.56meflinooooo
22:56.08meflinaltho for me its more Classless
22:56.31Arthur_DClassless Tardy Orangutan?
22:56.39kblinook?
22:56.42meflinmore acurate
22:56.43Arthur_D:D
22:57.21kblinwell, then according to pratchett, I can see why your boss won't allow "monkey"
22:57.46carolsi think 2014 is going to be the year of the *ly organizations.
22:58.17meflin*ly?
22:58.41carolsyeah, all the projects that have an ly on the end of them
22:58.47kblinmy worldforgely application is still coming up, and sambaly also needs some people poked
22:58.56carolsexactly.
22:59.02kblinooh, good one
22:59.07meflincarols: syncdifferent :D no ly so we are in right ;)
22:59.23kblinmeflin: partly?
22:59.27carolsmeflin: it just means you won't get put into a big bucket :-)
22:59.47hikercarols: I just remembered: you asked about gsoc student who did something special as a result of , like becoming a mentor or admin, right? Are you still looking for some examples? We have one gsoc student,who will be mentoring this year (if we get accepted), and who thanks GSoC (and us ;) ) to (successfully) try to get an intern job with google - if this is good enough, I can ask him
22:59.51kblinmeflin: unless of course it's your ideas page that only presents a login form
23:00.06carolshiker: yes! please fill out the form. we really want to hear about it
23:00.09hikernot sure if this is 'exciting' enough for your purpose though
23:00.15hikerOK, will do
23:00.31meflinkblin: nope .. but I'll put that in for implimentation
23:00.52Arthur_Dhiker: no, he didn't save the city from Godzilla yet, no go
23:01.07carolshiker: we've had almost no one respond to that request...so anything will make a difference
23:01.43hikerBut that's godzilla's fault ... he just turned up after gsoc, otherwise he would have ... blue underwear, red cape, ... , yes, I can see that
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23:03.25meflincarols: PM?
23:03.26Arthur_Dhiker: now I know what we can 'shop... err GIMP if you ever meet up at this year's mentor summit ;)
23:03.31carolsmeflin: sure
23:05.08kblincarols: whoops, missed the second email with the link to the form 0:)
23:05.26carolskblin: well, it's not too late :-)
23:06.53kblinI've got a writeup in nightrose's open advice, I think :)
23:10.00kblinah, no, that has my "how not to write patches" story
23:11.36kblinbut first, coffee replacement
23:11.40kbliner.. sleep
23:12.24kblinsee you tomorrow :)
23:12.32carolshave a nice night kblin
23:12.47stqismNight!
23:12.52kblin:)
23:12.59kblinwaves
23:13.45hikercarols: details sent
23:13.57hikerHe needed a bit convincing, he's too shy ;)
23:14.00carolsthanks hiker
23:14.01unitraxxlies
23:14.51hikerAh, here he is - should have mentioned that unitraxx is his nick
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