| 00:01.18 | meflin | ah its a good day |
| 00:01.40 | meflin | an old sub org sent the main org email list an can we have advice email |
| 00:02.00 | meflin | so I did and got to throw in a free "an all you sub orgs get in shape" reminder |
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| 02:18.15 | k-joseph_ | !next |
| 02:18.17 | gsocbot | k-joseph_: "next" is February 14th: Mentor organization application deadline |
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| 03:00.55 | lmccart | hi! I'm trying to fill our a gsoc organization application but I'm running into a problem with the organization ID question |
| 03:01.12 | lmccart | I am putting in the id openFrameworks, but I get the error: "openFrameworks" is not a properly-formed username." |
| 03:01.58 | stqism | lmccart: Lower case only. |
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| 03:02.13 | lmccart | ah ok, thanks! |
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| 03:02.41 | stqism | It's a funny bug :P |
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| 03:12.08 | lmccart | ok, one more question |
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| 03:12.20 | lmccart | I'm on the second page with the questionaire... |
| 03:12.24 | lmccart | ive filled in every box and hit submit |
| 03:12.35 | lmccart | but it just refreshes the page and doesn't give any confirmation |
| 03:13.44 | stqism | It submitted |
| 03:13.51 | stqism | It's just weird. |
| 03:14.08 | lmccart | oh |
| 03:14.09 | lmccart | ok |
| 03:14.11 | lmccart | great, thank you! |
| 03:14.50 | olly_ | it's not quite just refreshing the page - it's now in "edit" mode |
| 03:15.01 | stqism | Yeah, it's annoying. |
| 03:15.05 | olly_ | it isn't obvious it's actually submitted though |
| 03:15.19 | olly_ | the natural thing to want to do after submitting probably isn't to edit it again |
| 03:15.35 | stqism | Exactly. |
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| 03:15.47 | stqism | Maybe some confirmation dialog. |
| 03:15.51 | lmccart | yeah, just some confirmation |
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| 03:15.56 | lmccart | or an email or something |
| 03:16.00 | lmccart | but great, thanks for the help |
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| 03:16.12 | olly_ | file a bug if there isn't one already |
| 03:16.29 | olly_ | the melange devs probably don't actively scan this channel continuously |
| 03:17.08 | lmccart | ok will do |
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| 07:06.11 | CFS-MP3 | hi... quick question, how do I change the secondary admin in a project? |
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| 07:09.34 | stqism | CFS-MP3: In your dashboard at the bottom, I think |
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| 07:13.08 | CFS-MP3 | stqism Thanks... I don't see that. This is from the documentation: ". You can invite more users to be Organization Administrators if they have created a profile in Melange for the current year's program by going to My Dashboard -> My organizations -> Click on the name of the organization -> Invite Admin." |
| 07:13.18 | CFS-MP3 | I don't have "Invite admin" anywhere |
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| 07:14.06 | stqism | CFS-MP3: Hmmm, I can't look for it myself atm, though a dev in #melange might know the answer |
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| 07:14.44 | CFS-MP3 | thanks stqism :-) |
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| 12:00.02 | darnir | carols: Can one register as a mentor later? Or must we register right now while the orgs are making an account? |
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| 12:25.56 | gevaerts | darnir: historically there has never been a deadline for mentor registrations |
| 12:26.15 | gevaerts | i.e. you've always been able to register as a mentor even after coding started |
| 12:32.46 | modocache | Does anyone happen to know if it's possible to participate in two consecutive years of GSoC? That is, if I participate in 2014, will I also be able to participate in 2015? Has anyone done this before? |
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| 12:33.38 | vkmc | modocache, http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#9._I_am_a_student_who_has_already |
| 12:34.58 | gevaerts | modocache: that's a reasonably common thing, yes |
| 12:35.28 | vkmc | gevaerts, But for a student to apply, be selected and start coding, he should have the mentor assigned already, right? |
| 12:35.42 | gevaerts | uh, no |
| 12:35.54 | modocache | Oops! Sorry, I checked the FAQ on eligibility but didn't scroll down far enough. Thanks, vkmc! |
| 12:36.02 | vkmc | modocache, Np :) |
| 12:36.27 | gevaerts | You might know in advance who your mentor will be, but you only officially get a mentor at the moment you're accepted |
| 12:37.50 | gevaerts | Also, while with some organisations you work mostly with your mentor, for some other organisations the mentor is mostly there as the person responsible for the paperwork and for problem situations, and you do most work with the community as a whole |
| 12:38.41 | vkmc | gevaerts, I see, thanks |
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| 12:54.11 | darnir | gevaerts: Thanks! Wasn't sure. |
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| 13:04.43 | kblin | gevaerts: well, technically all students need to have mentors assigned when the deduplication starts |
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| 13:21.14 | Lennie | kblin, there can't be a duplicate without a mentor because a project without a mentor will never be accepted so the dedupe algorithm will just skip those |
| 13:21.31 | Lennie | kblin, just as an FYI :) |
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| 13:23.50 | kblin | Lennie: yes, that's why before the deduplication starts you need to assign a mentor. otherwise you won't get the slot |
| 13:24.15 | Lennie | kblin, correct |
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| 13:27.15 | kblin | Lennie: so I know which melange project idea I'm rooting for this year :) |
| 13:27.28 | Lennie | kblin, which one is that? |
| 13:28.05 | kblin | the one that is about using more than the middle 50 pixels of the browser window |
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| 13:32.25 | kblin | didn't realize this actually was marked as fixed |
| 13:32.28 | leroy | Now organizations apply, right? Students will apply after 14 february, right? |
| 13:32.41 | kblin | !timeline | leroy |
| 13:32.41 | gsocbot | leroy: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
| 13:32.46 | kblin | but yes |
| 13:33.18 | leroy | :) thanks, just checking :) |
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| 13:41.39 | hello_world | here's what my professor told me today:: open source developers are NGO's like ? do you agree ? |
| 13:42.02 | hello_world | a student participating in gsoc find it fully insulting !! |
| 13:43.08 | bePolite | hello_world: That was his openion man! |
| 13:43.20 | bePolite | people have a right to their opinions |
| 13:43.44 | hello_world | bePolite: what' s your opinion then ? |
| 13:44.22 | bePolite | I don't know what he meant by "NGO's like" |
| 13:45.37 | hello_world | bePolite: the insulting part of NGO ? |
| 13:46.22 | bePolite | well I don't agree with what he said either |
| 13:46.27 | bePolite | but I don't find it insulting |
| 13:47.13 | kblin | what's insulting about NGOs? |
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| 13:48.22 | hello_world | bePolite: kblin :) nevermind |
| 13:49.06 | ilv | first time I hear NGOs are insulting :p |
| 13:50.09 | hello_world | ok..is mozilla a NGO ? |
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| 13:53.20 | kblin | depends on your definition of NGO, but I associate some kind of political agenda with an NGO |
| 13:56.14 | gevaerts | an NGO doesn't have to be political, it's just that they often are |
| 13:56.40 | hello_world | gevaerts: open source is not NGO |
| 13:56.54 | gevaerts | hello_world: they're unrelated terms |
| 13:57.14 | vkmc | Sorry for interrupt... do someone know how much time a student is expected to devote everyday? is GSoC a full-time internship? |
| 13:57.22 | gevaerts | vkmc: it's full time, yes |
| 13:57.55 | vkmc | gevaerts, So... 8 hours from Monday to Friday? |
| 13:57.56 | hello_world | OSS dev don't do things for layman ..they contribute what they want.. |
| 13:58.20 | gevaerts | hello_world: for starters, NGO is a style / legal statys of an organisation, open source is a software openness philosophy |
| 13:58.52 | gevaerts | vkmc: yes, although nobody is going to insist on exact fixed periods, so if you prefer weekend nights, that's probably fine |
| 13:59.30 | hello_world | i mean if i am on irc does not mean i am a NGO ..i am sharing knowledge ...getting ideas |
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| 14:00.15 | gevaerts | Of course you're not an NGO. You're a person |
| 14:00.18 | vkmc | gevaerts, Cool, thx |
| 14:00.34 | hello_world | repharsing !! |
| 14:00.55 | hello_world | i mean if i am on irc does not mean i am a NGO's member in any way ..i am sharing knowledge ...getting ideas |
| 14:01.12 | gevaerts | hello_world: it also doesn't mean you're *not* an NGO member |
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| 14:01.32 | hello_world | that professor broken my heart |
| 14:02.28 | gevaerts | NGO status is a legal thing that depending on the country may or may not impact what government grants an organisation can apply for, or tax status, or things like that. |
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| 14:02.57 | gevaerts | Inherently it has *nothing* to do with what the organisation does or how it does it |
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| 14:03.59 | hello_world | thanks gevaerts kblin ilv : thanks .. i still stick to OSS |
| 14:04.16 | gevaerts | You're wrong, by the way. Free software is much better :) |
| 14:04.33 | hello_world | rephrasing |
| 14:04.42 | hello_world | i am still with FOSS |
| 14:05.13 | gevaerts | You'll have to choose at some point! |
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| 14:05.58 | hello_world | gevaerts: FOSS like mozilla |
| 14:06.11 | hello_world | gevaerts: FOSS like google,fb |
| 14:06.16 | vkmc | Oh, and another thing.. regarding the proof of enrollment... all the documentation I have is in Spanish, is that ok? |
| 14:06.44 | gevaerts | vkmc: you'll have to provide a translation, but I *believe* it doesn't have to be a notarised translation or anything like that |
| 14:07.00 | hello_world | vkmc: no |
| 14:07.13 | gevaerts | hello_world: there is an important distinction between free software and open source software |
| 14:07.46 | hello_world | gevaerts: source code |
| 14:07.50 | gevaerts | no |
| 14:07.57 | vkmc | gevaerts, K :) |
| 14:08.20 | gevaerts | hello_world: It's mostly not something you can *see*, but it's there. Do you do this because you think it's a more efficient way to produce good code, or do you do this because you think it's ethically the right thing to do? |
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| 14:09.19 | hello_world | gevaerts: i think both way . |
| 14:09.29 | gevaerts | OK, which is more important? |
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| 14:10.22 | gevaerts | And supposing someone showed convincingly that open source produces worse code, would you still be doing this? |
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| 14:10.31 | hello_world | first one preferred..but partially later one too till a limit |
| 14:10.46 | gevaerts | OK, so you're an open source person, not a free software person :) |
| 14:11.10 | hello_world | which is good |
| 14:11.26 | sebastian | hello |
| 14:11.41 | hello_world | but point wasn't FOSS and OSS !! thanks |
| 14:12.34 | gevaerts | sebastian: hello. Don't be put off by us discussing weird irrelevant things, if you have something to ask, just do so :) |
| 14:13.24 | hello_world | sebastian: en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/‎ |
| 14:13.34 | hello_world | sebastian: http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/‎ |
| 14:13.44 | sebastian | thank you:D |
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| 14:54.42 | drmmr763 | Greetings! |
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| 14:57.19 | derhasi | hi gsoc team |
| 14:57.23 | drmmr763 | Hello |
| 14:57.47 | derhasi | do you have info on the licence/attriution of the gsoc logo for 2014, we want to use it in a blog post |
| 14:58.14 | drmmr763 | https://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/GsocLogos |
| 14:58.15 | gevaerts | I'm sure that's available *somewhere*... |
| 14:58.18 | drmmr763 | It's pretty plain there |
| 14:58.30 | derhasi | drmmr763: ah, great, thanks, did not find that place |
| 14:58.31 | gevaerts | Ah, yes :) |
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| 14:59.34 | drmmr763 | Has anyone ever vouched for another Org? |
| 15:00.09 | drmmr763 | We've had a highly successful program the last two years. We're a somewhat larger org. we've been asked to vouch for another org. But, I've never done it and I don't know what it really means. |
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| 15:00.41 | drmmr763 | I'm mostly worried about how that other org might influence ours |
| 15:01.08 | stqism | drmmr763: It's putting your word the line basically, saying a successful org trusts and recommends that other org |
| 15:01.38 | legogris | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.39 | drmmr763 | Right. So in the event that other org does not do well does that mean next year Google might be less likely to accept our app? |
| 15:01.51 | gevaerts | drmmr763: if you want real answers about especially possible impact on you, I'd recommend asking when carols is here |
| 15:02.02 | stqism | ^ |
| 15:02.02 | gevaerts | i.e. three to four hours from now, probably |
| 15:02.14 | drmmr763 | yeah it's probably like 6am in Cali ;) |
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| 15:02.37 | gevaerts | Personally I strongly doubt negative consequences as long as you're acting in good faith |
| 15:02.43 | stqism | drmmr763: Hey, it's 7 am here! :P |
| 15:03.11 | vultraz_old | 2:03 am! |
| 15:03.30 | drmmr763 | Heh better grab some coffee |
| 15:04.01 | vultraz_old | is trying to write and failing >_> |
| 15:04.30 | gevaerts | vultraz_old: that's what 2am means :) |
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| 15:06.31 | drmmr763 | I will try checking back with Carols in a few hours. I wish all your programs the best! |
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| 15:54.30 | m2n | can anyone suggest me some gsoc project on C language ? |
| 15:54.54 | stqism | m2n: Tox is applying as an org, our project is C. |
| 15:58.56 | modocache | Wow! *The* Tox? Like the tool that lets you test in multiple Python environments? |
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| 16:04.06 | Jeroi | Hello, I have troubles with application |
| 16:04.19 | m2n | great let me search for projects at the Tox . Thanks for providing this info @stqism |
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| 16:04.29 | Jeroi | Even tho I have fullfilled every info the page keeps saying fields needed |
| 16:08.21 | umccullough | Jeroi, you might find better support in #melange |
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| 16:09.12 | ilv | m2n: there are other projects that involve C, like nmap, tor, monkey web server |
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| 16:10.24 | umccullough | you can always search last year's org list for those with a "c" tag |
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| 16:16.48 | m2n | It may sound to you quite weird but when i search the last year project with "C" tag I only found the work done by the students in project on C language but I am more interested in knowing the what kind of project are there on this language (I mean idealist). @ilv thanks for providing some new info.PS: I am applying for GSOC for the first time. |
| 16:18.12 | bePolite | m2n: I thaught the work which was done by students last year could give you some Ideas |
| 16:21.29 | umccullough | you must have clicked on the studen project list, not the org list |
| 16:21.47 | umccullough | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2013 |
| 16:23.17 | stqism | modocache: Nope, we're more popular with the reddit/facebook/twitter using teens to early 30's generation, though we seek much wider adoption. FOSS Skype replacement, by the way. |
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| 16:24.53 | modocache | stqism: Found it: https://github.com/irungentoo/ProjectTox-Core Looks cool! |
| 16:25.08 | stqism | modocache: That's the one :P |
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| 16:29.27 | modocache | stqism: Oh man, now I feel bad for referring to the Python testing tool as "the Tox", haha. No disrespect intended. |
| 16:29.45 | Fuuzetsu | is iffy about Tox |
| 16:29.52 | modocache | Are you a core member of the project? It seems very active. |
| 16:32.59 | Jeroi | Finally I have an aplication |
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| 16:39.55 | stqism | modocache: Core member? Heh, I'm the one who does our administration work, run our build farm, and design a lot of our specs :P |
| 16:40.31 | modocache | Cool! |
| 16:41.16 | Fuuzetsu | stqism: Did you manage to get any competent people on board or is it the same group of picked up folk that was in original threads? |
| 16:41.30 | Fuuzetsu | (competent from crypto aspect) |
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| 16:46.31 | stqism | Fuuzetsu: As we went more and more professional project and less /g/ project we really matured, and with that came a level of /professionalism/ between our core group, that sorta organically grew. |
| 16:47.19 | stqism | So yes, we're pretty damn competent :P our download button being enabled was a testament to that |
| 16:48.22 | Fuuzetsu | stqism: Well, your crypto page on your wiki is rather pathetic |
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| 16:48.59 | stqism | Fuuzetsu: I doubt its been updated in months, updating documentation is pretty lackluster. |
| 16:49.18 | Fuuzetsu | and skimming the thread recently (yesterday?) it seems that ton of stuff doesn't work yet so maybe you should have held off with the download button; I like the project idea, I just dislike the lack of verification for the crypto stuff |
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| 16:49.51 | Fuuzetsu | it's dangerous to claim something is cryptographically secure when it might not be as you are responsible for all communications with your program |
| 16:50.53 | stqism | Fuuzetsu: I hear you, after AV is done in our core library our next goal is auditing everything. Though not just us, like professionally audited. |
| 16:51.50 | MatthewWilkes | stqism: Good luck with that! I'm often disappointed by the poor quality of security audits |
| 16:51.55 | stqism | Fuuzetsu: With that in mind, we do warn you that this isn't a finished product |
| 16:52.13 | umccullough | is an open source project ever really 'finished' ? :) |
| 16:52.20 | Fuuzetsu | stqism: That's really good to hear. |
| 16:52.26 | stqism | MatthewWilkes: You mean lack of? Our crypto library is well peer reviewed, our implementation is not. |
| 16:52.43 | stqism | umccullough: :P stable. |
| 16:52.46 | Fuuzetsu | Well, ‘unfinished’ to most people means some things in the UI might not work, rather than ‘there might be holes in the security’. |
| 16:53.33 | stqism | Fuuzetsu: Note, http://wiki.tox.im/Tox:General_disclaimer |
| 16:53.34 | MatthewWilkes | stqism: Excuse me? |
| 16:54.22 | Fuuzetsu | stqism: Alright. |
| 16:54.27 | scorche|sh | i think this is getting a bit off-topic here... |
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| 16:55.04 | Fuuzetsu | I think we're just about done. |
| 16:55.44 | scorche|sh | well, finish up in PM or in a project-related channel please |
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| 16:57.15 | stqism | MatthewWilkes: Well, we do use a well known peer reviewed crypto library, what needs to be reviewed is our implementation of this library and the rest of our code. |
| 16:57.20 | stqism | scorche|sh: Sounds good. |
| 16:57.27 | stqism | Sorry, connection dropped. |
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| 17:41.03 | eLobato | hey guys, something weird is going on with google-melange, I cannot create an account |
| 17:41.09 | eLobato | (organization account) |
| 17:41.26 | eLobato | it just hangs when I click on "create a profile", doesn't matter the browser |
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| 17:42.14 | Triskelios | #melange may also cover operational issues, I'm not sure |
| 17:42.44 | Nilabhra | carols: maybe you cn help eLobato |
| 17:42.59 | carols | Nilabhra: sure, what did eLobato need help with? |
| 17:43.16 | Triskelios | <eLobato> it just hangs when I click on "create a profile", doesn't matter the browser |
| 17:43.22 | Nilabhra | eLobato: "<eLobato> hey guys, something weird is going on with google-melange, I cannot create an account |
| 17:43.22 | Nilabhra | <eLobato> (organization account) |
| 17:43.22 | Nilabhra | <eLobato> it just hangs when I click on "create a profile", doesn't matter the browser" |
| 17:43.33 | Nilabhra | carols: ^ |
| 17:43.35 | stqism | eLobato: If you clicked submit it most likely submit. It's just weird. |
| 17:43.40 | carols | eLobato: not my department. that's the #melange developers :-) |
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| 17:44.05 | stqism | eLobato: For the oddest reason melange lacks any sort of confirmation on submit for an org |
| 17:44.22 | Nilabhra | eLobato: you are a mentor of wich organisation? |
| 17:44.33 | eLobato | Nilabhra: theforeman.org, but I've not been able to create it yet |
| 17:45.29 | Nilabhra | wonder if other mentors are hving the sme problem... |
| 17:45.46 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 17:46.47 | stqism | carols: Odd timing http://imgur.com/oW2fcOY |
| 17:47.03 | carols | :-) |
| 17:47.09 | carols | just had my morning coffee myself. |
| 17:47.41 | stqism | Heh, just ordered the usual from my local coffee shop :P |
| 17:48.23 | eLobato | okay its slow but now it finally sent me to the create profile site :) |
| 17:48.54 | eLobato | organization member profile != project profile? |
| 17:49.54 | stqism | eLobato: It's the same thing. |
| 17:50.09 | stqism | eLobato: Just make sure you fill out the questionnaire page. |
| 17:50.11 | carols | eLobato: nope. you as an individual have to create a profile for you individually. so does your backup admin. then you or that other person has to create the profile for the organization as a whole and answer the questionnaire. |
| 17:50.32 | stqism | Okay, I misread that. |
| 17:51.05 | eLobato | carols: cool, thank you |
| 17:51.07 | carols | yw |
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| 18:14.55 | carols | does anyone have any questions about their gsoc org app? or about gsoc generally? |
| 18:15.00 | carols | i'm available to answer questions. |
| 18:15.13 | carols | sips some tea |
| 18:15.17 | kblin | carols: you were looking for me again yesterday night? |
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| 18:15.38 | carols | kblin: actually i wasn't :-) i was giving my coworkers a lesson on using irc and how to message someone |
| 18:15.41 | carols | but thank you for checking |
| 18:15.48 | kblin | ah |
| 18:16.14 | kblin | no worries :) |
| 18:16.25 | carols | :-) |
| 18:17.00 | kblin | gsoc application #2 from me is coming up tonight, I got my backup admin sorted out now, I hope |
| 18:17.11 | carols | excellent. |
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| 18:18.15 | kblin | but now off to buy some more tea for tomorrow, I've run out. |
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| 19:09.49 | VarunAgw | Is it a good idea to include your free software (not open source) that you are planning to make open source in few months in application template field for "Open Source Contribution"? |
| 19:10.26 | carols | VarunAgw: what form are you asking about? "open source contribution" isn't on the org application... |
| 19:10.37 | VarunAgw | I am student |
| 19:10.47 | carols | okay... |
| 19:10.53 | carols | so then what are we talking about? :-) |
| 19:11.08 | VarunAgw | I am just asking fellow student advice. |
| 19:11.41 | carols | okay, i'm not a student, sorry :-) |
| 19:11.57 | VarunAgw | :) |
| 19:13.39 | gevaerts | VarunAgw: I can't imagine including that to be a *bad* idea, but it definitely isn't in the same class as including things you actually did :) |
| 19:14.47 | gevaerts | And of course, it's not too late yet to turn things you plan to do into things you did |
| 19:16.37 | VarunAgw | gevaerts, The field says "open source contribution" but that contribution is not yet open source. I don't have any other open source experience some basic GCI 2011 experience to showcase in this field |
| 19:17.27 | kblin | yay, another application sent |
| 19:17.29 | VarunAgw | gevaerts, The current code will may look horrible and alien to peoples. So, I am not going to making it public at this moment |
| 19:17.30 | hjpotter92 | Which form is it? |
| 19:17.33 | kblin | does a gappy dance |
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| 19:18.03 | carols | kblin: what's a gappy dance? :-) |
| 19:18.11 | carols | i'm trying to imagine it :-) |
| 19:18.28 | VarunAgw | Dance, take a gap of 5 minutes, Dance again! |
| 19:18.52 | kblin | what VarunAgw said |
| 19:19.00 | carols | fair enough :-) |
| 19:19.13 | bePolite | lol |
| 19:19.15 | kblin | it's a dance for people who're also trying to grab dinner |
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| 19:19.29 | kblin | alternatively, it's for people who can't spell |
| 19:19.35 | kblin | but that'd be boring |
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| 19:19.44 | gevaerts | Of course! |
| 19:19.49 | gevaerts | It's a *guppy* dance! |
| 19:20.08 | gevaerts | Or maybe not. On second thoughts that explanation does look a bit fishy |
| 19:21.18 | gevaerts | VarunAgw: it's entirely up to you of course. GCI should be a decent reference, and it's also definitely true that not all open source contributions are equal |
| 19:21.39 | kblin | ahrg, the puns... |
| 19:22.10 | gevaerts | Some of the ones I've seen in the past looked suspiciously like homework projects pushed to github just to be able to point to them |
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| 19:22.42 | gevaerts | And those are definitely not as good as say large patches to established projects |
| 19:22.57 | gevaerts | And then there's everything in between |
| 19:24.14 | VarunAgw | I have start contributing patches to organisation I am going to apply. I am thinking of including them :) |
| 19:25.17 | gevaerts | There's no reason not to! |
| 19:25.32 | VarunAgw | Yeah! |
| 19:25.53 | kblin | gevaerts: dunno, I've seen some really, really aweful code on github... |
| 19:26.03 | kblin | arguably not from gsoc students |
| 19:26.09 | gevaerts | kblin: what, you found my projects? |
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| 19:27.07 | stqism | Homework projects pushed to github? haha |
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| 19:27.32 | kblin | gevaerts: did you recently apply for a phd candidate position with our institute? |
| 19:27.47 | gevaerts | kblin: I've had some weird dreams, so *maybe* :) |
| 19:27.54 | gevaerts | Probably not though |
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| 19:28.36 | VarunAgw | All these remind of Google Movie "The Internship". It is a great movie about Google |
| 19:29.01 | gevaerts | Anyway, yes, an open source contribution is worth more if whoever looks at it knows (and respects) the project the contribution is to |
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| 19:29.31 | stqism | VarunAgw: And I'm "sure" it's an accurate movie :) |
| 19:30.08 | gevaerts | If I see a patch that's accepted by a project that I think is good at accepting junk, I won't value it as much as a patch that's accepted by a group that I know has high standards |
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| 19:30.53 | gevaerts | Also, in the latter case, while I might have a look at the patch to see how big it is, I won't even bother checking the quality, because I know someone else already did and it was good |
| 19:30.54 | kblin | like gcc or the linux kernel? |
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| 19:31.17 | stqism | It's one thing when a patch fixes some bug someone missed, it's another when it's changing a word on a translation. |
| 19:32.02 | gevaerts | kblin: yes, for some generally known ones, but they could be more obscure projects where I happen to know some of the people involved |
| 19:32.08 | kblin | stqism: actually I think if you care enough to get _any_ patch into gcc, that's very respectable ;) |
| 19:32.29 | kblin | </flamebait> |
| 19:32.47 | stqism | kblin: Patch: ++ \n (Adds a new line so it looks better formatted) |
| 19:33.22 | kblin | stqism: if you get that into gcc, that probably took you months chasing down the maintainers |
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| 19:33.36 | stqism | Okay, you do have a point |
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| 19:33.53 | gevaerts | The trick is to know where to set your gcc maintainer traps |
| 19:33.58 | kblin | :) |
| 19:34.24 | kblin | gevaerts: but even that shows me some of the student's ability |
| 19:34.32 | gevaerts | True |
| 19:35.04 | stqism | It isn't much, but I'll give you that one. |
| 19:35.27 | gevaerts | In my experience the linux kernel is fairly easy to get fairly obvious bugfixes into |
| 19:35.43 | kblin | and also teaches me to look out for bear traps in front of my coffee machine while mentoring the student ;) |
| 19:35.59 | gevaerts | I'm not even going to try pushing an arbitray whitespace change there though :) |
| 19:36.23 | stqism | I would personally fail a student who gets me caught in a bear trap. That isn't right |
| 19:36.29 | gevaerts | kblin: so you know to make some time to review this upcoming patch? :) |
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| 19:37.20 | kblin | gevaerts: I think the only patch I ever added to my kernel never got anywhere |
| 19:37.56 | kblin | but that was just adding the device id of my network chip to a driver, and somebody else beat me to submitting it |
| 19:38.26 | gevaerts | My contribution was fixing some race conditions in a usb serial driver |
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| 19:39.20 | gevaerts | checks if he's forgetting any |
| 19:41.15 | gevaerts | wow, that's a *long* time ago... |
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| 19:56.18 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
| 19:57.06 | carols | no questions at all about org apps? |
| 19:57.12 | carols | oh well. |
| 19:58.04 | carols | i did get one ideas page to review this year. |
| 19:58.09 | carols | so that' 100% than ever before. |
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| 20:02.11 | carols | i'll assume everyone's ideas pages are perfect this year :-) |
| 20:02.28 | gevaerts | That's what everyone is hoping! |
| 20:02.35 | carols | gevaerts: i guess so :-) |
| 20:02.38 | gevaerts | Well, that, and that you won't check :) |
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| 20:02.46 | carols | gevaerts: that's a silly hope. |
| 20:03.01 | carols | why would they hope we don't check the most important part of the application? |
| 20:03.02 | stqism | carols: Don't worry, I'll ask you to review mine again after I finish some changes. Gotta make it look pretty :P |
| 20:03.24 | gevaerts | carols: lots of new organisations that don't know you yet? :) |
| 20:03.24 | carols | stqism: sounds fine to me. it's not like people are clawing down my door to review their pages :-) |
| 20:03.44 | carols | gevaerts: based on the apps we've seen so far it seems to be about 50/50... |
| 20:03.47 | carols | which is great.. |
| 20:03.56 | carols | but indicates some people are maybe a little too sure of themselves :-) |
| 20:05.55 | carols | oh well, i can't *force* people to ask questions. |
| 20:06.15 | gevaerts | You make the rules. Of course you can! |
| 20:06.30 | carols | :-) |
| 20:09.39 | summatusmentis | I kinda like that idea |
| 20:10.02 | summatusmentis | "your organization won't be considered unless your org leader has a conversation about your plan and direction with carols" |
| 20:10.20 | carols | summatusmentis: i would settle for just "carol can actually access your ideas page." |
| 20:10.30 | carols | which apparently is a tough bar to entry |
| 20:10.31 | umccullough | heh |
| 20:10.33 | summatusmentis | hah, that's a pretty low bar |
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| 20:10.49 | carols | there's already orgs that have applied this year that don't meet the test |
| 20:10.59 | umccullough | fwiw, our website had some trouble recently - but i think we have it straightened out now ;) |
| 20:11.13 | carols | and if i include "your ideas page is not just a link to your website" that actually sifts out quite a few more orgs |
| 20:12.22 | gevaerts | I wouldn't actually consider an inaccessible ideas page a fail *yet* |
| 20:12.38 | stqism | Well, soon. |
| 20:12.39 | carols | gevaerts: fair enough. they have 2 and a half more days to fix it. |
| 20:12.51 | gevaerts | Of course I have no idea how many of those you usually have left when you're actually evaluating things |
| 20:14.10 | gevaerts | I mean, I know the one example of the old-time #gsoc regular I won't mention to spare him the embarrasment :) |
| 20:14.14 | carols | gevaerts: if it's anything like years previous, it will be a fair number. |
| 20:14.26 | carols | gevaerts: he thanks you for that, i'm sure ;-) |
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| 20:14.46 | carols | i publicly shamed him at the mentor summit last year, i'm sure that was enough for him :-) |
| 20:15.34 | gevaerts | Oh, we publicly shame him here every now and then too :) |
| 20:16.01 | carols | :-) |
| 20:16.04 | gevaerts | But it's getting longer and longer ago, so it may be time to let it rest :) |
| 20:16.12 | carols | it's true. |
| 20:16.26 | olly_ | is the org description plain text, HTML, or something else? |
| 20:16.41 | carols | olly_: i'd prefer plain text. |
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| 20:16.48 | olly_ | ok |
| 20:16.48 | carols | makes it easier to read when i export it all to csv |
| 20:17.26 | carols | olly_: having said that, if you're accepted, you'll probably want to take another look at how it's displaying on the website to students |
| 20:17.35 | olly_ | was just thinking that |
| 20:17.43 | carols | great minds. |
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| 20:32.19 | stqism | Yuck, Melange suddenly slowed down. |
| 20:32.30 | stqism | Is that usual as we move closer? |
| 20:32.42 | carols | stqism: indeed it is. reason #209734 we tell everyone to apply early |
| 20:33.07 | stqism | carols: I only wanted to double check something I wrote :( |
| 20:33.30 | carols | it's working just fine for me... |
| 20:34.13 | stqism | Oddly only clicking on manage organizations is slow |
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| 20:35.29 | stqism | Yup, clicking on managed organizations does nothing. |
| 20:35.38 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Don't make me go into an app-engine marketing spiel about geographic redundancy! :P |
| 20:35.46 | narendraj9 | j/quit |
| 20:35.51 | carols | MatthewWilkes: okay, i won't make you :-) |
| 20:36.46 | MatthewWilkes | Goodo, I can continue to play with LEGO then |
| 20:36.48 | stqism | And it's suddenly working after switching to internet explorer. |
| 20:36.52 | MatthewWilkes | That, or work on the ideas page |
| 20:36.58 | MatthewWilkes | decisions, decisions |
| 20:37.11 | stqism | I don't get anything anymore. |
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| 21:19.21 | carols | hi sttaylor! nice to see you in here :-) |
| 21:19.51 | sttaylor | carols: it's good to be back : ) |
| 21:19.54 | carols | :-) |
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| 21:42.17 | summatusmentis | dberkholz: hey, FYI, the "don't be an asshole" talk seems to have been taken down |
| 21:42.25 | summatusmentis | (from the oreilly page) |
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| 22:37.02 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 22:37.32 | gevaerts | has some tea |
| 22:37.49 | carols | hey gevaerts :-) |
| 22:38.07 | gevaerts | Oh, hi carols! What a surprise! :) |
| 22:38.10 | carols | haha :-) |
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| 23:04.05 | Andre_H | it should be possible to reuse a melange account from last years, right? are there known problems? |
| 23:05.27 | olly_ | Andre_H: seems to work for me |
| 23:06.17 | Andre_H | olly_: thx for the info, it seems not to work for me or austin987 |
| 23:06.42 | olly_ | what goes wrong? |
| 23:08.01 | Andre_H | i'm logged in, but melange asks me to create a profile first, i already tried logging out and in again, same issue |
| 23:08.32 | Andre_H | austin987: do you have two profiles now? |
| 23:08.44 | olly_ | you need to create a profile for this year |
| 23:08.50 | olly_ | which is in addition to the melange account |
| 23:09.05 | Andre_H | ah ok, that's new and confusing :) |
| 23:09.07 | olly_ | when you create it, melange unhelpfully dumps you into "edit" on your profile, which is confusing |
| 23:09.26 | olly_ | i think the account/profile split was the same last year |
| 23:09.39 | olly_ | I suspect it is because you need to have agreed to the T&Cs for the current year |
| 23:09.57 | olly_ | but anyway, you are in "edit" on your profile, but it has been created |
| 23:11.40 | austin987 | Andre_H, I believe only one account |
| 23:12.14 | austin987 | I did get into edit mode, but I thought that was a FireFox extension breaking the webpage (RequestPolicy), after whitelisting, it submitted the second time |
| 23:12.27 | Andre_H | seems to work now, austin987 be free to add me |
| 23:13.12 | austin987 | Andre_H, worked, thanks |
| 23:14.10 | Andre_H | i see it, looks good |
| 23:15.32 | Andre_H | austin987: seems we need to fill out "Questionnaire" |
| 23:16.07 | olly_ | the org app is a two step thing, which is new this year |
| 23:16.38 | olly_ | so we'll avoid the gap while orgs fill in their profiles after acceptance this time |
| 23:17.58 | Andre_H | olly_: ok, thx for your help |
| 23:18.00 | Andre_H | austin987: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/application/submit/google/gsoc2014/wine |
| 23:19.01 | olly_ | curious, I can access that URL |
| 23:21.22 | Andre_H | o.O |
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| 23:22.53 | umccullough | sounds like a bug report for #melange |
| 23:23.32 | olly_ | which is where I just reported it |
| 23:23.45 | austin987 | Andre_H, yes, I'm working on that now |
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| 23:39.43 | slurpee | Anyone have a good recommendation on finding previous gsoc year pass/fail rate? |
| 23:40.10 | slurpee | Having a difficult time verifying older projects as many of the links have died. |
| 23:40.28 | carols | slurpee: sure, ask the melange folks |
| 23:40.52 | slurpee | Awesome, Thanks. |
| 23:40.55 | carols | yw |
| 23:41.32 | stqism | slurpee: I'm sure others will agree with me in saying that it isn't based on luck :P |
| 23:43.19 | slurpee | stqism, it has been on the back on my mind and I randomly try to track down the info. lol. |
| 23:43.43 | stqism | slurpee: Yeah, I know that curiosity :) |
| 23:43.46 | slurpee | I just spent a solid 30 minutes double checking obvious locations now...super glad I asked on IRC :) |
| 23:44.08 | perepujal | doesn't numapps have this? |
| 23:44.15 | perepujal | !numapps |
| 23:44.16 | gsocbot | perepujal: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 orgs and 1212 of 6685 proposals (by 4258 students) were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs and 1116 of 5474 proposals (by 3731 students) were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs and 1026 of 5539 propsals (by 3464 students) were (1 more message) |
| 23:44.29 | stqism | !more |
| 23:44.29 | gsocbot | stqism: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick. |
| 23:44.41 | slurpee | !numapps drupal |
| 23:44.53 | slurpee | !numapps ? |
| 23:45.06 | slurpee | I tried :/ |
| 23:45.21 | stqism | !numapps |
| 23:45.21 | gsocbot | stqism: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 orgs and 1212 of 6685 proposals (by 4258 students) were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs and 1116 of 5474 proposals (by 3731 students) were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs and 1026 of 5539 propsals (by 3464 students) were accepted. |
| 23:45.27 | stqism | !more |
| 23:45.27 | gsocbot | stqism: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick. |
| 23:45.36 | stqism | slurpee: Nothing after the command |
| 23:46.16 | kindleton | do we have a list of commands that this gsco bot responds to? just like numapps.. |
| 23:46.30 | kindleton | *gsocbot |
| 23:46.33 | stqism | !help |
| 23:46.34 | gsocbot | stqism: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 23:46.34 | umccullough | !help |
| 23:46.35 | gsocbot | umccullough: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 23:46.51 | umccullough | not useful :) |
| 23:46.55 | umccullough | !help commands |
| 23:46.56 | gsocbot | umccullough: Error: There is no command "commands". |
| 23:47.08 | stqism | !help all |
| 23:47.08 | gsocbot | stqism: Error: There is no command "all". |
| 23:47.11 | perepujal | !botabuse |
| 23:47.12 | gsocbot | perepujal: "botabuse" is (#1) If you want to play with the bot, please do so in a private /query so as not to spam the channel, or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> |
| 23:47.40 | stqism | How are you expected to learn an undocumented bot without playing with it? |
| 23:47.40 | kindleton | !whatis |
| 23:47.40 | gsocbot | kindleton: (whatis [<channel>] <key> [<number>]) -- Looks up the value of <key> in the factoid database. If given a number, will return only that exact factoid. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. |
| 23:48.05 | kindleton | !whatis #gsoc |
| 23:48.05 | gsocbot | kindleton: (whatis [<channel>] <key> [<number>]) -- Looks up the value of <key> in the factoid database. If given a number, will return only that exact factoid. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. |
| 23:48.11 | kindleton | !whatis #gsoc 1 |
| 23:48.11 | gsocbot | kindleton: Error: No factoid matches that key. |
| 23:48.21 | kindleton | !whatis #gsoc #1 |
| 23:48.21 | gsocbot | kindleton: Error: No factoid matches that key. |
| 23:48.23 | carols | kindleton: you'll want to tread lightly at this point |
| 23:48.28 | carols | i'll kick you if you don't stop that |
| 23:48.33 | carols | so be very careful what you do next |
| 23:48.50 | kindleton | okay, |
| 23:48.56 | carols | okay. |
| 23:49.00 | kindleton | but none of the aboce helped right |
| 23:49.04 | kindleton | *above |
| 23:49.06 | carols | what's your question? |
| 23:49.09 | carols | let's start there. |
| 23:49.19 | kindleton | i need list of commands |
| 23:49.30 | kindleton | just like !numapps |
| 23:49.43 | carols | because you have some question you want gsocbot to answer? why don't you just ask us? |
| 23:51.00 | olly_ | kindleton: you can experiment with the bot in query mode, as !botabuse says |
| 23:51.12 | olly_ | isn't aware of a way to list all the factoids though (sadly) |
| 23:51.30 | carols | kindleton is welcome to take that up with kblin outside of this channel :-) |
| 23:52.10 | kindleton | ah.. well.. thanks :) |
| 23:52.13 | carols | yw |
| 23:53.11 | carols | we're still here to answer any questions you might have.. |
| 23:53.30 | perepujal | olly use "factoids search a*" then b* etc |
| 23:54.23 | kindleton | perepujal: is your query mode working fine? |
| 23:56.12 | perepujal | I have gsocbot in a tab, the correct line for searching factoids is "factoids search #gsoc a*" |
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| 23:58.35 | kindleton | !appstats |
| 23:58.35 | gsocbot | kindleton: "appstats" is see !numapps |
| 23:58.52 | olly_ | perepujal: ok, I'm not aware of a *good* way... |
| 23:59.04 | jenmylo | Hi there. I'm trying to access some of our organization's info from previous years to include in our application for this year, but I'm having some issues retrieving information. Specifically, /gsoc/dashboard/google/gsoc2013#proposals_submitted shows no information, just a blank table. Known issue, or something wrong with our account? |
| 23:59.18 | carols | jenmylo: a great question for the melange developers. |
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| 23:59.39 | jenmylo | carols: so no one has reported something specific to the past gsoc data? |