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00:00.06carolsjenmylo: i've had lots of questions about gsoc data, but i don't know specifically what the answer to your question is :-)
00:00.10carolsbut #melange will
00:00.15jenmylook, will try over in #melange
00:00.21carolsthanks
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00:10.11MatthewWilkesjenmylo: FTR, can confirm with org 'plone'
00:10.38jenmyloMatthewWilkes: figured it out. the default status on the applications page is Reviewable. Change to all or accepted and they should pop up
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03:53.40NiharikaHello everyone.
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03:55.20stqismHowdy, Niharika
03:56.31NiharikaI´m good. Except for a bad cold. How´re you, stqism?
03:57.57stqismJust getting a 3rd overpriced latte, though yesterday I pretty badly cut a finger on some glass. Not fun.
03:58.31NiharikaOuch.
03:59.19stqismEh, hurt for a bit, typing sucks, but I'm fine. Nothing'll stop my gsoc application from being perfect.
03:59.25stqism:P
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04:00.10NiharikaHa. You´ve been filing the application form since how many days now? :P
04:00.40stqismI started on the 2nd day and submit it. Been improving it and getting feedback ever since.
04:00.47stqismWhat about you?
04:01.03Niharikastqism: You´ve all projects in C only?
04:01.08NiharikaI´m a student.
04:01.33stqismNiharika: C, Python, Java, and objective C :P
04:01.36NiharikaI should be calling you sir, now I think about it.
04:01.46stqismWhys that?
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04:02.04stqismWhy is, rather
04:02.40NiharikaCool. :) I like Python most among them. You´d be a mentor, I suppose? So you´re a level above me. :P
04:04.01stqism:) I haven't even been a student. One of our mentors is a former student. As well, I'm the one leading our Python proposals, love the language for quick high level prototyping.
04:06.51Niharikastqism: Nice. :) Do you have the Ideas page lying about somewhere?
04:07.38stqismNiharika: I would be a bad org admin if I didn't have it bookmarked http://wiki.tox.im/Proposed_Google_Summer_of_Code_ideas
04:08.10Niharikalooks
04:17.07NiharikaAndroid projct looks cool.
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04:17.10Niharikaproject*
04:17.18NiharikaSadly I don´t know Qt.
04:18.08stqismThe Android project doesn't use Qt :P
04:18.47NiharikaYeah. I know. I was referring to the ones that use Qt. :P
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04:44.46stqismYou know, we have a GTK client.
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05:15.44mithroHas the GSoC organization application form been shortened? I feel like there was a lot more detail to fill out in previous years (things like "How will you deal with mentors who disappear?" and similar)...
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05:39.23hiddenpearlsis it necessary to use WIKI CMS for ideas list ??
05:46.27umcculloughyou can use whatever you want
05:46.33umcculloughcould just be a text file if you like ;)
05:47.38umcculloughas long as it's accessible via some URL, that's the most important
05:48.13hiddenpearlsOk I am using Google docs ;)
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07:22.47Nemo_bisHi. https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#9._What_if_I_have_a_question_not links a non-existing page, should probably be https://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/w/list . Please relay/email the person in charge of the page(s) editing.
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07:59.45mithrokblin: ping?
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08:06.17kblinmithro: pong
08:06.34mithrokblin: still doing GSoC stuff?
08:07.04stqism!next
08:07.05gsocbotstqism: "next" is February 14th: Mentor organization application deadline
08:07.22stqismOnly 2 days remain.
08:08.49kblinmithro: sure
08:10.30mithrokblin: am I going mad, or did the GSoC Organisation application use to include a lot more questions?
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08:13.14kblinmithro: if you're at the profile page, there's another one coming up once you click submit
08:13.22mithrokblin: ahh
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08:13.49kblinmithro: they made "apply" and "create org profile" the same process this year
08:14.06mithrokblin: is there a list of the questions somewhere?
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08:14.15mithroI checked the fossmanual
08:14.35kblinmithro: not that I know, but they're the same questions as last year, overall
08:15.26kblinthe only difference I can think of is that the question on "how did you select your mentors" now also includes "how many mentors do you have"
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08:21.05DakshHi Everyone!
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08:23.10bePolitehi danszr_
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08:26.18mithrokblin: thanks!
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08:29.24anurag_goel!numapps
08:29.24gsocbotanurag_goel: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 orgs and 1212 of 6685 proposals (by 4258 students) were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs and 1116 of 5474 proposals (by 3731 students) were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs and 1026 of 5539 propsals (by 3464 students) were (1 more message)
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10:57.40raveeshCan a mentor of a selected organisation be mentoring in more than one accepted projects?
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11:10.12gevaertsraveesh: yes, but don't underestimate the time needed
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12:33.54fruittie!numapps
12:33.55gsocbotfruittie: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 orgs and 1212 of 6685 proposals (by 4258 students) were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs and 1116 of 5474 proposals (by 3731 students) were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs and 1026 of 5539 propsals (by 3464 students) were (1 more message)
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12:54.24joshwambua!nummaps
12:54.39joshwambua!numapps
12:54.40gsocbotjoshwambua: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 orgs and 1212 of 6685 proposals (by 4258 students) were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs and 1116 of 5474 proposals (by 3731 students) were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs and 1026 of 5539 propsals (by 3464 students) were (1 more message)
12:54.56joshwambua!next
12:54.57gsocbotjoshwambua: "next" is February 14th: Mentor organization application deadline
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14:52.30zaynetroHello, everyone. After completing the gsoc can I continue working on my project or the rights for this project/app go to Google?
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14:53.26tachyonszaynetro, projects must be open source
14:53.36gevaertszaynetro: google gets no rights
14:53.54tachyonszaynetro, So you can continue your work
14:54.29gevaertsSome organisations may ask for a contributors agreement that may grant them special rights
14:54.55zaynetroyep, I read about open source, but anyway it is better to ask. Thank you
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16:51.34cleiniasFrom Lyx.org: I just checked into melange and our profile from last year's (successful) application is gone. Do we have to rewrite  the profile from scratch or am I doing something wrong?
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16:53.13kblincleinias: the URLs changed, but here's how I worked around this...
16:54.01kblincleinias: fill in the first page of the form with your profile info, that should be straightforward even without resorting to last year's data
16:54.36kblincleinias: for the second page with the questions, put "todo" or some other short string into all required fields
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16:54.44kblinsubmit your application
16:55.05kblinonce it's submitted, visit your dashboard to re-open the profile page
16:55.15kblinnow change the 2014 in the URL to 2013
16:55.36kblinthat'll get you to last year's profile page, with a working link to last year's questions
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17:00.29cleiniasKblin: I reentered ny data in the profile and submitted. However, my dashboard is empty
17:05.09kblinuhm, hang on
17:06.21archanahi any student here intrested in participating in gsoc with twitter
17:07.25kblincleinias: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/dashboard/google/gsoc2014#org_app doesn't show anything for you?
17:07.43kblincleinias: are you using noscript or anything else blocking javascript?
17:08.05Kundacan asking a student to build a website for an opensource project be considered an Idea ?
17:09.04archanaKunda : for which org. are you proposing this idea for?
17:09.06cleiniaskblin: no, it's empty for 2014. If I switch to 2013, it's no longer empty, but my org (lyx) is gone. That is, the list under "My organizations" is empty.
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17:09.50kblincleinias: weird
17:10.23kblincleinias: I've got a bogus org in my dashboard, so maybe melange is having trouble?
17:10.23cleiniasI am not using jscript blocker. I started a fresh install of chromium just for melange
17:11.00cleiniaskblin: that's kind of worrying, as we are 2 days away from the submission deadline...
17:11.05Kundaarchana, an open source project called Valentina that is creating open source fashion design software (they are going to be at Libre Graphics Meeting in Leipzig, Germany this year (and have been for the last few years) https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/valentina-project-list
17:11.48Kundaarchana, https://bitbucket.org/dismine/valentina/overview
17:12.07archanakunda: I am a student intrested in participating for gosoc this year
17:12.22Kundaarchana, nice
17:12.23gevaertsKunda: gsoc is about code, i.e. not documentation. That means it depends on what kind of website stuff you have in mind
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17:13.14Kundagevaerts:
17:13.31Kundagevaerts: i see..
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17:14.35kblin!bugs | cleinias
17:14.35gsocbotcleinias: "bugs" is http://tinyurl.com/new-issue
17:14.35Kundagevaerts, I'm trying to think of a coding related reason that would merit building a website for this project
17:14.41archanakunda: what are the prerequsite for participating with your org.
17:14.52kblincleinias: you might want to poke peole on #melange as well
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17:16.34cleiniaskblin: thanks, I didn't know they had a channel. Joining right now
17:16.41Kundaarchana, we are still figuring that out. The software is built with Qt5, so it's mainly in C++. There are also other ideas to integrate it with Blender and Make Human, 3D open source graphic softwares.
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17:17.36umcculloughi dunno about building a website for the project as gsoc project... if it involved some sort of integration with the software, i could see it being reasonable
17:18.25Kundaarchana, are you interested in this subject ?
17:18.35stqismKunda: Just reminding you that the deadline is getting pretty close.
17:18.42archanakunda: ya sure
17:18.44stqism!next
17:18.45gsocbotstqism: "next" is February 14th: Mentor organization application deadline
17:18.50Kundaumccullough, right
17:19.07Kundastqism, yes..aware of that…thanks :)
17:19.17stqism:P
17:19.30ilvgit status
17:19.31archanaI have worked for open source organisations like linux kernel in the past and know c++
17:19.44ilvlol, wrong window
17:19.58archanait would be intresting to work on this kind of project
17:20.27kblinilv: fatal: Not a git repository
17:21.01stqismkblin: git init
17:21.20archanakunda: does this org. uses git for content management
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17:21.44Kundagit and mercurial
17:21.48Kundaarchana:^
17:21.54kblinstqism: let's not go there
17:22.31stqismkblin: :P Awwwh, I was about to push something to another branch!
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17:23.54archanakunda : is AI or M/c learning also the prerequosite for the project
17:25.09Kundaarchana, I'm not sure what you mean by AI or M/c
17:25.25archanagsocbot: if I am a student when does my actual involvement starts
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17:25.59archanakunda: machine learning or artificial intelligence
17:26.01umcculloughget involved early
17:27.02Kundaarchana, ah..that's what I thought you mean. i don't think so…not sure though. You could ask Roman (dismine) on the mailinglist: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/valentina-project-list
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17:28.41archanaumccullough: I can contact any of the org. only once the list of org. is out  rite?
17:29.12archanakunda; are you planning to mentor any of the projects
17:29.49umccullougharchana, you don't necessarily have to wait, you can start contacting orgs that are likely applicants
17:30.05umcculloughif they participated in prior years, there's a good possibility they'll be participating again this year
17:30.16Kundaarchana, not myself personally
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17:34.48maryrhi all
17:34.48gcibotmaryr, hey!
17:35.02maryrmary here from google ospo team
17:35.21maryrhi gcibot
17:35.27stqismospo?
17:35.37maryropen source programs office
17:35.41dimshi
17:35.48maryrhi dims
17:35.51stqismOh! Nice, hello.
17:36.01maryrhi there stqism
17:38.03RoonyHmaryr: thank you for visiting Sri Lanka to celebrate decade of gsoc!
17:38.24maryrRoonyH: was honored to be there!
17:38.36maryrit was an incredible trip
17:39.01RoonyHmaryr: happy to hear :)
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17:42.35maryrRoonyH: did you attend the event at University of Moratuwa?
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17:42.54RoonyHmaryr: I did indeed
17:43.30maryrRoonyH: excellent! We were so impressed by all the locals we met
17:44.49RoonyHreally happy to hear that :) did you like the Kandyan Dancing?
17:45.12maryrRoonyH: it was so cool
17:45.28maryrRoonyH: and the music was beautiful
17:47.15RoonyHmaryr: I enjoyed the music too! it was amazing given that most musicians were engineering students!
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17:48.23RoonyHMr Dibona's speech was so cool. inspirational :)
17:48.25maryrRoonyH: wow - very talented people indeed
17:48.46maryrRoonyH: yes, Chris is always a great speaker
17:49.20maryrRoonyH: I enjoyed it as well :)
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17:50.41dimstime flies, i remember the first few gsoc years at ASF, still have the t-shirt :)
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17:51.08maryrdims: from 2005??
17:51.38maryrdims: that would be impressive to keep a t-shirt that long :)
17:53.00dimsmaryr, http://markmail.org/message/yegnirpnlt5i4rdk
17:53.37dimswe got someone started to write a maven build for a web services project :)
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17:54.27maryrdims: great!
17:55.08dberkholzsummatusmentis: the one from 2009 on blip? yeah, looks that way. =\ there's a more recent one on youtube anyhow
17:55.11dimsthanks! just started nudging openstack folks to apply seriously, will be filing a org form  this time
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19:09.16frog_today i got my package, that was supposed to contain the t-shirt... but in it there was only the certify and the sticker... on the package papers it says that its supposed to contain a t-shirt... what should i do?
19:10.57stqismfrog_: You'd want to ask carols. She isn't here right now, but send an email to carols@google.com and she should be able to help you.
19:11.43summatusmentisdberkholz: yeah, that one. Do you have a link to the youtube one?
19:13.29frog_stqism: thanks
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19:58.28frog_yes
19:58.56nadiahi
20:00.58VarunAgwfrog_, Don't worry you will definetly get T-Shirt if you are eligible but didn't received it. There was a name problem with my GCI certificate. I received a new one later :)
20:01.34frog_VarunAgw: everything is ok. i talked to stephenie (wrote)
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20:08.11ishan1604How are the stipends in GSOC processed ?
20:08.36scorche|shmentoring org or studnets?
20:08.42ishan1604students
20:08.46VarunAgwI guess prepaid cards
20:08.52stqismishan1604: It's broken up in to 3 parts
20:09.02stqismA Little is paid each time
20:09.07scorche|shishan1604: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/studentpaymentcards
20:09.25ishan1604yeah i know about the break up
20:09.32ishan1604wasn't just sure about the payment method
20:09.55scorche|shthe link i gave should give you all the information you would like about it
20:10.13stqismCards! Pretty neat for students
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20:21.13JordiGHSo guys, isn't Melange just the best thing ever?
20:21.18JordiGHWoooo, Melange!
20:21.39stqismJordiGH: I so hope that's sarcasm.
20:21.58JordiGHIs it so difficult to believe that someone likes Melange?
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20:22.46stqismI suppose if you were born lucky.
20:23.17JordiGHAnyways, yes, it was sarcasm.
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20:54.43KK4MGVi'm a student wanting to work on a project already proposed by an open source organization, is there anything i can do to help ensure that my project of choice is accepted by google?
20:58.19stqismKK4MGV: Projects are accepted by the mentor orgs, though I do recommend getting to know potential orgs beforehand.
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20:58.26perepujalIs the org who will accept or reject
20:59.17KK4MGVthen what's the purpose of the feb 17-21 period on https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014
20:59.32KK4MGVif the org as a whole is accepted or not?
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20:59.54meflingsoc accepts orgs, then orgs select students
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21:02.54KK4MGVin that case, is there anything i can do to help ensure my org of choice gets accepted?
21:02.54KK4MGVwould the existence of students interested in projects already proposed by the org have any impact on google's decision?
21:03.34meflinnope
21:03.35stqismKK4MGV: No, this decision is based on the orgs ability to design a good ideas page and application.
21:03.43KK4MGVokay, thanks
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21:04.38perepujalorgs usually looks for the ability to do the job and the feel that the student will stay with the org after gsoc
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21:05.15KK4MGVyeah, i'm not concerned about the org accepting me, i'm just worried that google won't accept the org because they've had some conflicts in the past
21:06.23KK4MGVobviously no guarantees can be made at this point, but just so i have a general sense of what to expect, does http://openbsdfoundation.org/gsoc2014.html look like something google would accept?
21:06.27stqismperepujal: In our case, if accepted, technical merit is only half of the equation :P
21:07.17KK4MGVs/conflicts in the past/tried in the past but it never worked out because of US<->Canada tax issues/
21:07.55perepujalstqism: each org uses their own criteria, but in general I think is like I've explained
21:08.43perepujalI at least am not looking for 3months employees
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21:09.35stqismperepujal: Of course, some of our criteria involve evaluating how a student fits in to the community
21:10.50JordiGHKK4MGV: You can help the org design their proposal.
21:14.55olly_KK4MGV: there's no requirement for the org to actually accept money from google, if the tax issues are too much of a headache
21:15.13olly_makes sending people to the mentor summit hard though
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21:15.30brlcadsome orgs most definitely refuse the money
21:16.51olly_you can also nominate someone else to get the money I believe
21:17.08olly_orgs which are members of SPI or SFC generally get them to accept the money
21:17.56stqismolly_: Yes you can, I remember reading that.
21:18.10KK4MGVhttp://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=133096392030953&w=2
21:18.49KK4MGVtl;dr - google could not pay them, but there were problems removing clauses about paying them from the contract, and that caused issues (or something)
21:19.56meflinI spy sever misunderstandings in that ... if you dont want to sign then dont
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21:20.37KK4MGVyeah, i never said the reasons were particularly compelling ones, it just never seemed to work out
21:20.43KK4MGValthough i'm hopeful for this year :)
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21:20.57meflinyou going to need to fix your end
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21:21.48brlcadcarols: just the person I was waiting for ;)
21:21.55carolsbrlcad: sure, how can i help.
21:22.22stqismcarols: Quick note, mind if my bot joins for 2 seconds? Someone had a message on documentation.
21:22.55brlcadcarols: in the past, our our org description in the application has been separate from our org profile description, but are they one in the same this year?
21:22.57carolsstqism: sure
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21:23.05THE_KGBcarols: <Nemo_bis> Hi. https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#9._What_if_I_have_a_question_not links a non-existing page, should probably be https://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/w/list . Please relay/email the person in charge of the page(s) editing.
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21:23.18brlcadcarols: e.g., our profile org description includes html and images that make it look purdy
21:23.32brlcadand doesn't talk about things not really relevant to students, keeps it simple
21:23.42carolsthat's three things at once
21:23.48carolsbrlcad: you're first in line.
21:23.51carolswhat's your question?
21:23.56brlcadwhat we've used in the application, though, is much more detailed
21:24.08carolsbrlcad: you're worried your app isn't pretty enough?
21:24.13brlcadheh, no
21:24.26brlcadjust wondering if that's actually the field where we put our description to you?
21:24.33brlcad(in the profile page)
21:24.35carolsbrlcad: yeah, the org description field
21:24.49brlcadso we'll just update it later to make it purdy
21:24.54carolscool
21:25.00carolsokay, who was next?
21:25.10brlcadhugs carols, sorry for pouncing :)
21:25.13stqismI think I was
21:25.39brlcadserves carols some post-lunch afternoon tea
21:25.50brlcadfortified with scotch
21:26.01stqismcarols: Shall I repost that same message?
21:26.04carolsstqism: yes please.
21:26.13stqismcarols: <Nemo_bis> Hi. https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#9._What_if_I_have_a_question_not links a non-existing page, should probably be https://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/w/list . Please relay/email the person in charge of the page(s) editing.
21:26.36carolssure.
21:26.37carolsill fix it
21:26.39carolswhat else?
21:26.54stqismThat was it.
21:26.56carolsok
21:27.05stqismMy bot made it look like 2 people.
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21:31.10chxI am trying to find pass/fail records for gsoc 2010 (i am org admin). I can't see this anywhere.
21:31.24carolschx: that's something to ask the melange developers
21:31.55chxthanks
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21:32.52meflinCh3ck: if you where the admin in that year you can still see the list under your dashboard when you change the year
21:37.17umcculloughhe left
21:37.35umcculloughhe/she
21:37.45meflinI saw
21:37.50umccullough:)
21:38.07brlcadprobably wasn't admin for prior year, so no access for him
21:38.17meflinyep
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21:53.44parxI see an upcoming GSoC meetup in Chicago on the GSoC calendar.
21:53.55parxAre these events hosted by locals who've already participated to hangout or are they for GSoC administrators to promote/recruit new students?
21:54.45carolsparx: that particular one is being held by locals who have participated in the program
21:55.01carolswe have events where the administrators are hosting meet ups as well, but that's not one of them
21:55.35Hamish_BHi, we @osgeo have noticed that there's a second application in our name on melange (org id: ludelaz_osgeo) which I guess was made by some confused student or mentor. the answers are just junk chars. it shows up on my list of managed applications, so either whoever did it must have added my name as backup-admin, or maybe melange is matching the org name? (which is identical to ours) I'm concerned that this could be confusing to melange+humans; can an
21:55.35Hamish_Bything be done to remove it?
21:55.53carolsHamish_B: you should ask the melange developers.
21:56.01Hamish_Bok, tx
21:56.05carolsyw
21:57.27parxcarols Is there a way for me to see who or what org is involved?
21:57.39carolsparx: in the meet up?
21:57.42parxyes
21:57.53carolsparx: yes, the whole thread is on our meet ups list
21:58.00carolshas the organizers and all that
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22:04.22parxI don't see a meetups list https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#1._What_are_the_program_mailing_lists
22:04.36carolsscroll down about an inch to the meet ups section.
22:04.40carolsyou'll see it linked there.
22:04.56carolshttp://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#4._I_would_like_to_organize_or_host_a
22:05.32meflinI never noticed this wording -> "Is there an IRC channel I can idle on?" I see someone knows irc well :D
22:05.40carols:-)
22:06.02JordiGHIdle chatter vs idle chatters.
22:06.11meflinor idle idlers
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22:39.33downeychatty idlers?
22:40.00bePolitelol
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22:44.49carolsdoes anyone have any more questions about org apps?
22:45.07carolsi'm here if you do.
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22:45.27carolsi'd rather answer 40 questions now rather than spend an extra hour in the irc rejected orgs meeting.
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22:46.04carolsshrugs
22:46.05carolsokay.
22:46.07bePolitehmm
22:47.02stqismcarols: I feel like I should ask you to take a look at my application again.
22:47.24carolsstqism: sure.
22:47.26carolswhy not.
22:47.32carolsyou're the only one who seems to care :-/
22:48.08stqismcarols: That's because I'd rather not do something wrong.
22:48.15Hamish_Bwe care :)
22:48.37carolsHamish_B: you just figure your app is already perfect and your chances of being accepted are sure? :-)
22:50.56Hamish_Bjust know we have more work to do before it should take up any of your precious time :)
22:51.25carolswell, it's going to take all of my precious time and then some next week :-)
22:51.38carolsi'd rather spend a few minutes on it now than laboring on a yes/no next week at 8pm
22:51.40Hamish_Bfor this I do not envy you
22:51.48carolsi don't envy me either.
22:51.52Hamish_Bheh
22:51.58carolsand my reward for it is the 6 hour irc meeting.
22:52.32Hamish_Byes, but you control the t-shirts. there's a lot of reward in those there t-shirts
22:52.53carolswell, the rejected orgs don't get tshirts.
22:52.59carolsand yet i sit in irc and talk to them anyway.
22:53.50carolsanyway
22:53.53carolsstops complaining
22:54.08Hamish_BI know, have some tea!
22:54.33carolsthanks Hamish_B
22:54.35carolssips some tea
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22:56.39carolshi maryr  :-)
22:56.42carolsnice to see you here
22:57.13maryrcarols: hi
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22:57.21maryrhappy to be here
22:57.39carolssee, now we have two people who can answer questions about gsoc :-)
22:57.55maryrat your service, people!
22:57.57stqismI think I've seen more Google employees in the 2 weeks I've been lurking here than I have in the rest of the year.
22:58.22carolsmaryr: but unfortunately i don't think that means we'll get any more questions on applications :-(
22:58.59carolsstqism: well, it is *google* summer of code..
22:59.04umcculloughif you're in the "pre-view applications" mode, you can poke at the Haiku one :)
22:59.16carolsumccullough: ha ha! another bite
22:59.19umccullough;)
22:59.23meflinhmm last min sub-org
22:59.34stqismcarols: Valid point, but at SCALE I saw 1.
22:59.46carolsthat doesn't surprise me.
23:00.44carolsumccullough: ideas page looks good, but some of the ideas could use a little more info :-) you sort of trail off at the end... ;-)
23:00.55downeyhi maryr :)
23:01.08umcculloughat the end of the ideas list, or at the end of each idea description?
23:01.30umcculloughif you mean the end of the list - i'm not surprised, i suspect a few were recently added there
23:01.32carolsumccullough: a bit of both, but i was referring to those short ideas at the end of the list :-)
23:01.35downeypasses the tea to maryr
23:01.36carolsumccullough: indeed
23:01.38umcculloughyeah, ok
23:01.45umcculloughwill rap some knuckles
23:02.08umcculloughthx :)
23:02.21carolsumccullough: you also seem to be under the impression ellen is still on the team even though she left ;-)
23:02.24carolsbut an easy mistake to make
23:02.38carolswe'll forgive you for that.
23:02.51umcculloughoh, that would probably be matt's fault
23:02.57umcculloughhe's fired
23:02.59umccullough;)
23:03.08carolsumccullough: we forgive you for not keeping up on the changing dynamics of our team.
23:03.34stqismumccullough: Fired? ;-; I was impressed when one of our people who wasn't me edited our ideas page.
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23:04.44umcculloughstqism, matt's our admin this year :D
23:04.47umcculloughi'm just the backup
23:05.12umcculloughbut yeah, we encourage the mentors to work on the ideas page
23:05.19umcculloughit shouldn't be solely the admin's job
23:05.43stqismumccullough: Oh! in our case EVERYTHING is my job by default. :P
23:06.24maryrdowney: hi there :)
23:06.46maryrthanks for my tea
23:06.47maryrdelish
23:08.10meflinooo a complete set of requirements they might make it :)
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23:09.29umcculloughcarols, is there a list of the gsoc admins somewhere that I should reference?
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23:10.10carolsumccullough: can you be more specific?
23:10.14umcculloughstqism, that's unfortunate - i hope you'll find some people to help :)
23:10.23carolswe don't release individual participant names publicly...
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23:10.36umcculloughi meant on your end
23:10.50umccullougheh, i'll just take ellen's name out entirely
23:10.52stqismumccullough: 110 people willing to code, 1 willing to write up a gsoc ideas list :)
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23:10.59carolsumccullough: oh!
23:11.04carolsyou want to know who's in ospo
23:11.06carols?
23:11.25umcculloughright
23:11.29umcculloughdo you maintain a list?
23:11.43carolsno, we don't maintain a list, there's only 4 of us :-)
23:11.47carolsseems silly to do that
23:11.55umcculloughok
23:11.57carolsit's me, sttaylor, maryr and all man
23:12.00carolsallman
23:12.26stqismAt first I was wondering what all man meant :P
23:12.43carolsyeah, stupid autocorrect
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23:13.06reynaldoIm guessing there's nothing wrong with discussing the mentoring organization proposal publicly?
23:13.12reynaldohi btw ;)
23:13.22carolsreynaldo: certainly not if you are talking about your own org?
23:13.30carolsand as long as you're ok with it, of course
23:13.31reynaldoyup
23:13.36carolsit's your prerogative
23:13.41reynaldocarols: great, thanks a lot
23:13.50carolssure, happy to answer questions
23:15.34reynaldocool, thanks again for your quick answer :)
23:15.42carolsyou're welcome
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23:18.04carolsserves some tea
23:18.35loomioHI everyone :) I have a question about applying as a mentor organization. Is this a good place to ask?
23:18.47carolsloomio: this is a great place to ask!
23:18.51meflincarols: good idea mine is steeping now :)  [ white tip oolong ]
23:19.02carolsi would love to answer questions
23:19.10loomioyay thanks. sorry to interrupt your tea :)
23:19.13downeywhiteTea++
23:19.26carolsloomio: no no. it's a nice accompaniment to feel useful.
23:19.57loomioI have filled out our profile and questionnaire and published the Ideas List on our blog. But there was no kind of final "You've submitted your application!" message on melange. Have I done everything I need to do?
23:20.12carolsloomio: do you have a dashboard on the left hand sidebar?
23:20.18loomioyes
23:20.29carolsif you click on it, do you have a "managed organizations" option?
23:20.38loomioyep!
23:20.42loomioand it list mine there
23:20.45loomio*lists
23:20.46carolsdo you have your org listed in there?
23:20.49carolsand you see your application?
23:21.15loomioyeah if I click my org name there, it shows me my org profile page
23:21.21loomiowith the info in it
23:21.26carolsgreat
23:21.29carolsyou're all set
23:21.36loomiooh, awesome. thank you!
23:21.36carolsyou can continue to modify it until the deadline if you like
23:21.43carolsof leave it alone if you like that too
23:21.49loomiothat's great to know
23:21.53carols:-)
23:21.55carolshappy to help.
23:22.26loomioI hope we're accepted :D ...do you happen to know how Google contacts back prospective orgs after review? Will we get an email?
23:22.47carolsloomio: yes, you will receive an email on the announcement day with either acceptance or rejection notification
23:22.59loomiogreat. thanks so much for your help! I think i'm all set now.
23:23.02carolsyw
23:23.06loomioall the best with the programme!!
23:23.12carolsthanks :-)
23:23.15loomioenjoy your tea as well. bye!
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23:23.20carolsbye :-)
23:23.44carolstoo bad he/she didn't actually ask any questions about the application.
23:23.48carolscould have helped with that too.
23:23.50carolsoh well.
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23:24.38stqismLovely question, asking if you can ask question.
23:24.41stqismA^
23:25.28carolsany more guesses from the peanut gallery on how many apps we'll get this year?
23:25.52stqismcarols: You know, you never actually gave me any feedback on our application. Also, 10% than last time.
23:26.00stqism!numapps
23:26.00gsocbotstqism: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 orgs and 1212 of 6685 proposals (by 4258 students) were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs and 1116 of 5474 proposals (by 3731 students) were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs and 1026 of 5539 propsals (by 3464 students) were accepted.
23:26.10carolsstqism: oh, you want me to take a look again? sure.
23:26.25stqismcarols: My guess? 470
23:26.43Botanic_intresting 2013 and 2011 had the exact same number o.0
23:27.03carolsstqism: cool. so noted.
23:27.06Botanic_im guessint 438
23:27.13stqismNow you're making me feel like I guessed too high :P
23:27.16carolsBotanic_: so noted :-)
23:27.29Botanic_we get free food at mentor summit if we right? :D
23:27.44carolsBotanic_: you get a pair of gsocks
23:27.48carolsso even better, really
23:28.13Botanic_hehe you had a few spares from the summit iirc :)
23:28.13Triskelioswill mentor 4 food
23:28.25carolsBotanic_: so many.
23:28.28downeyi wear my GSoCks on every gsoc milestone day :)
23:28.33carolswe have a separate warehouse for them.
23:28.44carolsdowney: you're such a diehard. <3
23:29.06maryrdowney: I think you deserve another pair of socks!
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23:29.11maryrany holes in those yet?
23:29.20Botanic_carols, just curious how much does vouching matter or can you say?
23:29.24downeyi have like 4 pair now i think ... :D
23:29.27carolsBotanic_: it matters.
23:29.33carolsBotanic_: your ideas page matter much more.
23:29.37carolsbut vouching matters.
23:29.39carolswe care.
23:29.41Botanic_i figured as much :)
23:29.49carolsif someone's willing to put their good name on the line for you, we pay attention
23:30.08dthorenwhen are the student applications open. can i have someone pm me for more info
23:30.42downeydthoren: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014
23:31.37carolsthank downey
23:31.43carolsyou were faster than us :-)
23:32.16dthorenthanks
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23:33.11dthorenso in other words they open on the 21 of march
23:33.20downeycarols: "us"? :)
23:33.28carolsdthoren: nope. that's not what that doc says.
23:33.32dom96Do new orgs need to be vouched for to get accepted?
23:33.39downeyfigures carols is probably an AI bot powered by the Google Pigeon System. http://www.google.com/technology/pigeon_system.jpg
23:33.45carolsdom96: need to? no. is a really nice point in your favor? yes.
23:33.51carolsdowney: haha :-)
23:33.52dthoren10th of march
23:33.58carolsdthoren: correct.
23:34.27dthorenokay  how many people are normally accepted and what kind of code id usually looked for
23:34.34dom96carols: Got any links related to vouching I could read up on?
23:34.41downeydom96: if you want to get an org to vouch for you, remind them that they need to update their org's questionnaire too :)
23:35.08stqism!numapps | dthoren
23:35.09gsocbotdthoren: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 orgs and 1212 of 6685 proposals (by 4258 students) were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs and 1116 of 5474 proposals (by 3731 students) were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs and 1026 of 5539 propsals (by 3464 students) were accepted.
23:35.13carolsdom96: nope, if you have an org to vouch for you you probably already know them. that's it, all they have to do is list you in their application and vice versa
23:35.39dom96Ahh. Alright, thanks.
23:35.42carolsdom96: yw
23:36.19dthorendang those stats of acceptance are really low in a away
23:37.06dthorenwhat kind of code do you guys prefer for people to know?
23:37.20carolsdthoren: we don't have any preference. the orgs will. you should ask them
23:37.24stqismdthoren: That depends on the mentoring org
23:38.03dthorenok because i know basic html,and basic javascript, and hopefully will be learning c++ soon
23:38.19carolsdthoren: great things to speak to your potential org about.
23:39.11dthorenwhat is the age range of the students that are normally accepted
23:39.22carolsdthoren: there isn't. they're all over 18, that's the only requirement.
23:39.31stqismdthoren: When the winners are chosen, you'll find them https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014
23:39.53stqismWinners being chosen orgs
23:41.40dthorenthe only place it currently has the age requirement is on the faq page. if i would have know you had to be 18 i wouldnt be on here
23:41.51carolsdthoren: okay, sorry to hear that!
23:42.08carolsmaybe you could participate in our contest for 13-17 year olds if we run it again and you're eligible for that.
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23:42.36dthorenok well thanks for answering my questions
23:42.37Botanic_downey, if carols is a bot then id be inclined to say AI's have advanced much at google :D
23:42.42carolsdthoren: you're welcome
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23:43.00stqismhttp://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2014, right sidebar.
23:43.02downeyfigures the movie "Her" was really leaked out of Google X
23:43.06stqismWow.
23:43.27stqismdowney: her always looked like an Apple thing.
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23:43.56downeystqism: Not a Google Now user? :)
23:44.31stqismdowney: I am, I rely on it to tell me what I need to know, not have a conversation :P
23:45.13dom96carols: It kind of sucks for high school students who are 18. They are not eligible for GSoC or Google Code-In. :(
23:45.33carolsdom96: why does it suck that they're eligible for a different program?
23:45.39carolsi think that's pretty darn awesome...
23:46.00dom96hrm? My point is that they are not eligible for either.
23:46.13downeycarols: trapped in between
23:46.18carolsdom96: high school students? are they accepted into university?
23:46.21dom96^
23:46.27downeywe have a trapped person in our community ...he'll be a mentor if we get accepted :)
23:46.52dom96I am one of those people too heh.
23:47.16dom96I found out about code-in too late, and now I must wait a year until I am at uni to do GSoC.
23:47.31downeycarols: talking about the high school students who are 18 right now and not yet accepted into a univ by April.
23:47.42carolswell, that's 1 year to volunteer for an open source organization and make an awesome application....
23:47.46downey:-)
23:47.49stqismSometimes I feel young here, sometimes I feel old. This place is so weird.
23:49.06downeycarols: someone was asking me when the age criteria for mentors began. do you recall?
23:49.14stqismSlightly annoyed I didn't know about gce in high school.
23:49.28stqismdowney: 18
23:49.33carolsdowney: i do, it was last year when our lawyers decided that it was too much of a liability otherwise.
23:49.39umcculloughgce?
23:49.42dom96You guys should send out some posters to high schools about Google Code-in.
23:49.46downeycarols: lawyers++ ... and --
23:49.49stqismumccullough: The gci
23:49.56carolsdom96: that's for sttaylor to think about :-)
23:49.57umcculloughah, gci is relatively new anyhow ;)
23:50.00carolsi have enough on my plate as it is
23:50.21stqismActually, I don't even know if gci was around while I was in high school.
23:50.29umcculloughi know it wasn't when i was :P
23:50.36umcculloughin fact...google probably wasn't even around yet
23:50.37carolsstqism: probably not...it only started 4 years ago
23:50.48umcculloughfeels old now
23:50.54stqismYeah, nope.
23:51.13carolsi also wish gsoc had existed when i was in university
23:51.18carolswhich was actually close
23:51.29carolsonly a couple years difference
23:51.45stqismGsoc existed when I was in high school. Just not gci
23:51.59sttaylordom96: we send out emails about GCI to teaching organizations around the globe.  We can't reach every school,  so we rely on our friends in the OS  community to spread the word too
23:52.08downeyhi sttaylor :)
23:52.57sttaylorhi downey, good to "see" you
23:53.08downeypasses the tea
23:53.19carolsgood idea
23:53.21carolsgets more tea
23:53.23sttaylordowney: will you be at FOSSASIA? or anyone else on here right now?
23:53.34downeysttaylor: yes, we have someone speaking there. (not me) :)
23:54.03sttaylordowney: cool  :)
23:54.07downeysttaylor: one of our previous gsoc students in fact :)
23:57.10sttaylordowney: that's awesome.  allman and I look forward to meeting a bunch of former GSoCers in our travels to India, Singapore and FOSSAsia in Cambodia these next few weeks
23:57.40downeysttaylor: excellent!
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