00:00.06 | carols | jenmylo: i've had lots of questions about gsoc data, but i don't know specifically what the answer to your question is :-) |
00:00.10 | carols | but #melange will |
00:00.15 | jenmylo | ok, will try over in #melange |
00:00.21 | carols | thanks |
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00:10.11 | MatthewWilkes | jenmylo: FTR, can confirm with org 'plone' |
00:10.38 | jenmylo | MatthewWilkes: figured it out. the default status on the applications page is Reviewable. Change to all or accepted and they should pop up |
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03:53.40 | Niharika | Hello everyone. |
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03:55.20 | stqism | Howdy, Niharika |
03:56.31 | Niharika | I´m good. Except for a bad cold. How´re you, stqism? |
03:57.57 | stqism | Just getting a 3rd overpriced latte, though yesterday I pretty badly cut a finger on some glass. Not fun. |
03:58.31 | Niharika | Ouch. |
03:59.19 | stqism | Eh, hurt for a bit, typing sucks, but I'm fine. Nothing'll stop my gsoc application from being perfect. |
03:59.25 | stqism | :P |
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04:00.10 | Niharika | Ha. You´ve been filing the application form since how many days now? :P |
04:00.40 | stqism | I started on the 2nd day and submit it. Been improving it and getting feedback ever since. |
04:00.47 | stqism | What about you? |
04:01.03 | Niharika | stqism: You´ve all projects in C only? |
04:01.08 | Niharika | I´m a student. |
04:01.33 | stqism | Niharika: C, Python, Java, and objective C :P |
04:01.36 | Niharika | I should be calling you sir, now I think about it. |
04:01.46 | stqism | Whys that? |
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04:02.04 | stqism | Why is, rather |
04:02.40 | Niharika | Cool. :) I like Python most among them. You´d be a mentor, I suppose? So you´re a level above me. :P |
04:04.01 | stqism | :) I haven't even been a student. One of our mentors is a former student. As well, I'm the one leading our Python proposals, love the language for quick high level prototyping. |
04:06.51 | Niharika | stqism: Nice. :) Do you have the Ideas page lying about somewhere? |
04:07.38 | stqism | Niharika: I would be a bad org admin if I didn't have it bookmarked http://wiki.tox.im/Proposed_Google_Summer_of_Code_ideas |
04:08.10 | Niharika | looks |
04:17.07 | Niharika | Android projct looks cool. |
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04:17.10 | Niharika | project* |
04:17.18 | Niharika | Sadly I don´t know Qt. |
04:18.08 | stqism | The Android project doesn't use Qt :P |
04:18.47 | Niharika | Yeah. I know. I was referring to the ones that use Qt. :P |
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04:44.46 | stqism | You know, we have a GTK client. |
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05:15.44 | mithro | Has the GSoC organization application form been shortened? I feel like there was a lot more detail to fill out in previous years (things like "How will you deal with mentors who disappear?" and similar)... |
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05:39.23 | hiddenpearls | is it necessary to use WIKI CMS for ideas list ?? |
05:46.27 | umccullough | you can use whatever you want |
05:46.33 | umccullough | could just be a text file if you like ;) |
05:47.38 | umccullough | as long as it's accessible via some URL, that's the most important |
05:48.13 | hiddenpearls | Ok I am using Google docs ;) |
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07:22.47 | Nemo_bis | Hi. https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#9._What_if_I_have_a_question_not links a non-existing page, should probably be https://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/w/list . Please relay/email the person in charge of the page(s) editing. |
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07:59.45 | mithro | kblin: ping? |
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08:06.17 | kblin | mithro: pong |
08:06.34 | mithro | kblin: still doing GSoC stuff? |
08:07.04 | stqism | !next |
08:07.05 | gsocbot | stqism: "next" is February 14th: Mentor organization application deadline |
08:07.22 | stqism | Only 2 days remain. |
08:08.49 | kblin | mithro: sure |
08:10.30 | mithro | kblin: am I going mad, or did the GSoC Organisation application use to include a lot more questions? |
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08:13.14 | kblin | mithro: if you're at the profile page, there's another one coming up once you click submit |
08:13.22 | mithro | kblin: ahh |
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08:13.49 | kblin | mithro: they made "apply" and "create org profile" the same process this year |
08:14.06 | mithro | kblin: is there a list of the questions somewhere? |
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08:14.15 | mithro | I checked the fossmanual |
08:14.35 | kblin | mithro: not that I know, but they're the same questions as last year, overall |
08:15.26 | kblin | the only difference I can think of is that the question on "how did you select your mentors" now also includes "how many mentors do you have" |
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08:21.05 | Daksh | Hi Everyone! |
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08:23.10 | bePolite | hi danszr_ |
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08:26.18 | mithro | kblin: thanks! |
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08:29.24 | anurag_goel | !numapps |
08:29.24 | gsocbot | anurag_goel: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 orgs and 1212 of 6685 proposals (by 4258 students) were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs and 1116 of 5474 proposals (by 3731 students) were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs and 1026 of 5539 propsals (by 3464 students) were (1 more message) |
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10:57.40 | raveesh | Can a mentor of a selected organisation be mentoring in more than one accepted projects? |
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11:10.12 | gevaerts | raveesh: yes, but don't underestimate the time needed |
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11:49.50 | Niharika | Hullo. |
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12:33.54 | fruittie | !numapps |
12:33.55 | gsocbot | fruittie: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 orgs and 1212 of 6685 proposals (by 4258 students) were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs and 1116 of 5474 proposals (by 3731 students) were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs and 1026 of 5539 propsals (by 3464 students) were (1 more message) |
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12:54.24 | joshwambua | !nummaps |
12:54.39 | joshwambua | !numapps |
12:54.40 | gsocbot | joshwambua: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 orgs and 1212 of 6685 proposals (by 4258 students) were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs and 1116 of 5474 proposals (by 3731 students) were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs and 1026 of 5539 propsals (by 3464 students) were (1 more message) |
12:54.56 | joshwambua | !next |
12:54.57 | gsocbot | joshwambua: "next" is February 14th: Mentor organization application deadline |
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14:52.30 | zaynetro | Hello, everyone. After completing the gsoc can I continue working on my project or the rights for this project/app go to Google? |
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14:53.26 | tachyons | zaynetro, projects must be open source |
14:53.36 | gevaerts | zaynetro: google gets no rights |
14:53.54 | tachyons | zaynetro, So you can continue your work |
14:54.29 | gevaerts | Some organisations may ask for a contributors agreement that may grant them special rights |
14:54.55 | zaynetro | yep, I read about open source, but anyway it is better to ask. Thank you |
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16:51.34 | cleinias | From Lyx.org: I just checked into melange and our profile from last year's (successful) application is gone. Do we have to rewrite the profile from scratch or am I doing something wrong? |
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16:53.13 | kblin | cleinias: the URLs changed, but here's how I worked around this... |
16:54.01 | kblin | cleinias: fill in the first page of the form with your profile info, that should be straightforward even without resorting to last year's data |
16:54.36 | kblin | cleinias: for the second page with the questions, put "todo" or some other short string into all required fields |
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16:54.44 | kblin | submit your application |
16:55.05 | kblin | once it's submitted, visit your dashboard to re-open the profile page |
16:55.15 | kblin | now change the 2014 in the URL to 2013 |
16:55.36 | kblin | that'll get you to last year's profile page, with a working link to last year's questions |
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17:00.29 | cleinias | Kblin: I reentered ny data in the profile and submitted. However, my dashboard is empty |
17:05.09 | kblin | uhm, hang on |
17:06.21 | archana | hi any student here intrested in participating in gsoc with twitter |
17:07.25 | kblin | cleinias: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/dashboard/google/gsoc2014#org_app doesn't show anything for you? |
17:07.43 | kblin | cleinias: are you using noscript or anything else blocking javascript? |
17:08.05 | Kunda | can asking a student to build a website for an opensource project be considered an Idea ? |
17:09.04 | archana | Kunda : for which org. are you proposing this idea for? |
17:09.06 | cleinias | kblin: no, it's empty for 2014. If I switch to 2013, it's no longer empty, but my org (lyx) is gone. That is, the list under "My organizations" is empty. |
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17:09.50 | kblin | cleinias: weird |
17:10.23 | kblin | cleinias: I've got a bogus org in my dashboard, so maybe melange is having trouble? |
17:10.23 | cleinias | I am not using jscript blocker. I started a fresh install of chromium just for melange |
17:11.00 | cleinias | kblin: that's kind of worrying, as we are 2 days away from the submission deadline... |
17:11.05 | Kunda | archana, an open source project called Valentina that is creating open source fashion design software (they are going to be at Libre Graphics Meeting in Leipzig, Germany this year (and have been for the last few years) https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/valentina-project-list |
17:11.48 | Kunda | archana, https://bitbucket.org/dismine/valentina/overview |
17:12.07 | archana | kunda: I am a student intrested in participating for gosoc this year |
17:12.22 | Kunda | archana, nice |
17:12.23 | gevaerts | Kunda: gsoc is about code, i.e. not documentation. That means it depends on what kind of website stuff you have in mind |
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17:13.14 | Kunda | gevaerts: |
17:13.31 | Kunda | gevaerts: i see.. |
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17:14.35 | kblin | !bugs | cleinias |
17:14.35 | gsocbot | cleinias: "bugs" is http://tinyurl.com/new-issue |
17:14.35 | Kunda | gevaerts, I'm trying to think of a coding related reason that would merit building a website for this project |
17:14.41 | archana | kunda: what are the prerequsite for participating with your org. |
17:14.52 | kblin | cleinias: you might want to poke peole on #melange as well |
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17:16.34 | cleinias | kblin: thanks, I didn't know they had a channel. Joining right now |
17:16.41 | Kunda | archana, we are still figuring that out. The software is built with Qt5, so it's mainly in C++. There are also other ideas to integrate it with Blender and Make Human, 3D open source graphic softwares. |
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17:17.36 | umccullough | i dunno about building a website for the project as gsoc project... if it involved some sort of integration with the software, i could see it being reasonable |
17:18.25 | Kunda | archana, are you interested in this subject ? |
17:18.35 | stqism | Kunda: Just reminding you that the deadline is getting pretty close. |
17:18.42 | archana | kunda: ya sure |
17:18.44 | stqism | !next |
17:18.45 | gsocbot | stqism: "next" is February 14th: Mentor organization application deadline |
17:18.50 | Kunda | umccullough, right |
17:19.07 | Kunda | stqism, yes..aware of that…thanks :) |
17:19.17 | stqism | :P |
17:19.30 | ilv | git status |
17:19.31 | archana | I have worked for open source organisations like linux kernel in the past and know c++ |
17:19.44 | ilv | lol, wrong window |
17:19.58 | archana | it would be intresting to work on this kind of project |
17:20.27 | kblin | ilv: fatal: Not a git repository |
17:21.01 | stqism | kblin: git init |
17:21.20 | archana | kunda: does this org. uses git for content management |
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17:21.44 | Kunda | git and mercurial |
17:21.48 | Kunda | archana:^ |
17:21.54 | kblin | stqism: let's not go there |
17:22.31 | stqism | kblin: :P Awwwh, I was about to push something to another branch! |
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17:23.54 | archana | kunda : is AI or M/c learning also the prerequosite for the project |
17:25.09 | Kunda | archana, I'm not sure what you mean by AI or M/c |
17:25.25 | archana | gsocbot: if I am a student when does my actual involvement starts |
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17:25.59 | archana | kunda: machine learning or artificial intelligence |
17:26.01 | umccullough | get involved early |
17:27.02 | Kunda | archana, ah..that's what I thought you mean. i don't think so…not sure though. You could ask Roman (dismine) on the mailinglist: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/valentina-project-list |
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17:28.41 | archana | umccullough: I can contact any of the org. only once the list of org. is out rite? |
17:29.12 | archana | kunda; are you planning to mentor any of the projects |
17:29.49 | umccullough | archana, you don't necessarily have to wait, you can start contacting orgs that are likely applicants |
17:30.05 | umccullough | if they participated in prior years, there's a good possibility they'll be participating again this year |
17:30.16 | Kunda | archana, not myself personally |
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17:34.48 | maryr | hi all |
17:34.48 | gcibot | maryr, hey! |
17:35.02 | maryr | mary here from google ospo team |
17:35.21 | maryr | hi gcibot |
17:35.27 | stqism | ospo? |
17:35.37 | maryr | open source programs office |
17:35.41 | dims | hi |
17:35.48 | maryr | hi dims |
17:35.51 | stqism | Oh! Nice, hello. |
17:36.01 | maryr | hi there stqism |
17:38.03 | RoonyH | maryr: thank you for visiting Sri Lanka to celebrate decade of gsoc! |
17:38.24 | maryr | RoonyH: was honored to be there! |
17:38.36 | maryr | it was an incredible trip |
17:39.01 | RoonyH | maryr: happy to hear :) |
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17:42.35 | maryr | RoonyH: did you attend the event at University of Moratuwa? |
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17:42.54 | RoonyH | maryr: I did indeed |
17:43.30 | maryr | RoonyH: excellent! We were so impressed by all the locals we met |
17:44.49 | RoonyH | really happy to hear that :) did you like the Kandyan Dancing? |
17:45.12 | maryr | RoonyH: it was so cool |
17:45.28 | maryr | RoonyH: and the music was beautiful |
17:47.15 | RoonyH | maryr: I enjoyed the music too! it was amazing given that most musicians were engineering students! |
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17:48.23 | RoonyH | Mr Dibona's speech was so cool. inspirational :) |
17:48.25 | maryr | RoonyH: wow - very talented people indeed |
17:48.46 | maryr | RoonyH: yes, Chris is always a great speaker |
17:49.20 | maryr | RoonyH: I enjoyed it as well :) |
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17:50.41 | dims | time flies, i remember the first few gsoc years at ASF, still have the t-shirt :) |
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17:51.08 | maryr | dims: from 2005?? |
17:51.38 | maryr | dims: that would be impressive to keep a t-shirt that long :) |
17:53.00 | dims | maryr, http://markmail.org/message/yegnirpnlt5i4rdk |
17:53.37 | dims | we got someone started to write a maven build for a web services project :) |
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17:54.27 | maryr | dims: great! |
17:55.08 | dberkholz | summatusmentis: the one from 2009 on blip? yeah, looks that way. =\ there's a more recent one on youtube anyhow |
17:55.11 | dims | thanks! just started nudging openstack folks to apply seriously, will be filing a org form this time |
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19:09.16 | frog_ | today i got my package, that was supposed to contain the t-shirt... but in it there was only the certify and the sticker... on the package papers it says that its supposed to contain a t-shirt... what should i do? |
19:10.57 | stqism | frog_: You'd want to ask carols. She isn't here right now, but send an email to carols@google.com and she should be able to help you. |
19:11.43 | summatusmentis | dberkholz: yeah, that one. Do you have a link to the youtube one? |
19:13.29 | frog_ | stqism: thanks |
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19:58.18 | VarunAgw | <PROTECTED> |
19:58.28 | frog_ | yes |
19:58.56 | nadia | hi |
20:00.58 | VarunAgw | frog_, Don't worry you will definetly get T-Shirt if you are eligible but didn't received it. There was a name problem with my GCI certificate. I received a new one later :) |
20:01.34 | frog_ | VarunAgw: everything is ok. i talked to stephenie (wrote) |
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20:08.11 | ishan1604 | How are the stipends in GSOC processed ? |
20:08.36 | scorche|sh | mentoring org or studnets? |
20:08.42 | ishan1604 | students |
20:08.46 | VarunAgw | I guess prepaid cards |
20:08.52 | stqism | ishan1604: It's broken up in to 3 parts |
20:09.02 | stqism | A Little is paid each time |
20:09.07 | scorche|sh | ishan1604: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/studentpaymentcards |
20:09.25 | ishan1604 | yeah i know about the break up |
20:09.32 | ishan1604 | wasn't just sure about the payment method |
20:09.55 | scorche|sh | the link i gave should give you all the information you would like about it |
20:10.13 | stqism | Cards! Pretty neat for students |
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20:21.13 | JordiGH | So guys, isn't Melange just the best thing ever? |
20:21.18 | JordiGH | Woooo, Melange! |
20:21.39 | stqism | JordiGH: I so hope that's sarcasm. |
20:21.58 | JordiGH | Is it so difficult to believe that someone likes Melange? |
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20:22.46 | stqism | I suppose if you were born lucky. |
20:23.17 | JordiGH | Anyways, yes, it was sarcasm. |
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20:54.43 | KK4MGV | i'm a student wanting to work on a project already proposed by an open source organization, is there anything i can do to help ensure that my project of choice is accepted by google? |
20:58.19 | stqism | KK4MGV: Projects are accepted by the mentor orgs, though I do recommend getting to know potential orgs beforehand. |
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20:58.26 | perepujal | Is the org who will accept or reject |
20:59.17 | KK4MGV | then what's the purpose of the feb 17-21 period on https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
20:59.32 | KK4MGV | if the org as a whole is accepted or not? |
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20:59.54 | meflin | gsoc accepts orgs, then orgs select students |
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21:02.54 | KK4MGV | in that case, is there anything i can do to help ensure my org of choice gets accepted? |
21:02.54 | KK4MGV | would the existence of students interested in projects already proposed by the org have any impact on google's decision? |
21:03.34 | meflin | nope |
21:03.35 | stqism | KK4MGV: No, this decision is based on the orgs ability to design a good ideas page and application. |
21:03.43 | KK4MGV | okay, thanks |
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21:04.38 | perepujal | orgs usually looks for the ability to do the job and the feel that the student will stay with the org after gsoc |
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21:05.15 | KK4MGV | yeah, i'm not concerned about the org accepting me, i'm just worried that google won't accept the org because they've had some conflicts in the past |
21:06.23 | KK4MGV | obviously no guarantees can be made at this point, but just so i have a general sense of what to expect, does http://openbsdfoundation.org/gsoc2014.html look like something google would accept? |
21:06.27 | stqism | perepujal: In our case, if accepted, technical merit is only half of the equation :P |
21:07.17 | KK4MGV | s/conflicts in the past/tried in the past but it never worked out because of US<->Canada tax issues/ |
21:07.55 | perepujal | stqism: each org uses their own criteria, but in general I think is like I've explained |
21:08.43 | perepujal | I at least am not looking for 3months employees |
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21:09.35 | stqism | perepujal: Of course, some of our criteria involve evaluating how a student fits in to the community |
21:10.50 | JordiGH | KK4MGV: You can help the org design their proposal. |
21:14.55 | olly_ | KK4MGV: there's no requirement for the org to actually accept money from google, if the tax issues are too much of a headache |
21:15.13 | olly_ | makes sending people to the mentor summit hard though |
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21:15.30 | brlcad | some orgs most definitely refuse the money |
21:16.51 | olly_ | you can also nominate someone else to get the money I believe |
21:17.08 | olly_ | orgs which are members of SPI or SFC generally get them to accept the money |
21:17.56 | stqism | olly_: Yes you can, I remember reading that. |
21:18.10 | KK4MGV | http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=133096392030953&w=2 |
21:18.49 | KK4MGV | tl;dr - google could not pay them, but there were problems removing clauses about paying them from the contract, and that caused issues (or something) |
21:19.56 | meflin | I spy sever misunderstandings in that ... if you dont want to sign then dont |
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21:20.37 | KK4MGV | yeah, i never said the reasons were particularly compelling ones, it just never seemed to work out |
21:20.43 | KK4MGV | although i'm hopeful for this year :) |
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21:20.57 | meflin | you going to need to fix your end |
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21:21.48 | brlcad | carols: just the person I was waiting for ;) |
21:21.55 | carols | brlcad: sure, how can i help. |
21:22.22 | stqism | carols: Quick note, mind if my bot joins for 2 seconds? Someone had a message on documentation. |
21:22.55 | brlcad | carols: in the past, our our org description in the application has been separate from our org profile description, but are they one in the same this year? |
21:22.57 | carols | stqism: sure |
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21:23.05 | stqism | ^gsoc carols |
21:23.05 | THE_KGB | carols: <Nemo_bis> Hi. https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#9._What_if_I_have_a_question_not links a non-existing page, should probably be https://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/w/list . Please relay/email the person in charge of the page(s) editing. |
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21:23.18 | brlcad | carols: e.g., our profile org description includes html and images that make it look purdy |
21:23.32 | brlcad | and doesn't talk about things not really relevant to students, keeps it simple |
21:23.42 | carols | that's three things at once |
21:23.48 | carols | brlcad: you're first in line. |
21:23.51 | carols | what's your question? |
21:23.56 | brlcad | what we've used in the application, though, is much more detailed |
21:24.08 | carols | brlcad: you're worried your app isn't pretty enough? |
21:24.13 | brlcad | heh, no |
21:24.26 | brlcad | just wondering if that's actually the field where we put our description to you? |
21:24.33 | brlcad | (in the profile page) |
21:24.35 | carols | brlcad: yeah, the org description field |
21:24.49 | brlcad | so we'll just update it later to make it purdy |
21:24.54 | carols | cool |
21:25.00 | carols | okay, who was next? |
21:25.10 | brlcad | hugs carols, sorry for pouncing :) |
21:25.13 | stqism | I think I was |
21:25.39 | brlcad | serves carols some post-lunch afternoon tea |
21:25.50 | brlcad | fortified with scotch |
21:26.01 | stqism | carols: Shall I repost that same message? |
21:26.04 | carols | stqism: yes please. |
21:26.13 | stqism | carols: <Nemo_bis> Hi. https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#9._What_if_I_have_a_question_not links a non-existing page, should probably be https://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/w/list . Please relay/email the person in charge of the page(s) editing. |
21:26.36 | carols | sure. |
21:26.37 | carols | ill fix it |
21:26.39 | carols | what else? |
21:26.54 | stqism | That was it. |
21:26.56 | carols | ok |
21:27.05 | stqism | My bot made it look like 2 people. |
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21:31.10 | chx | I am trying to find pass/fail records for gsoc 2010 (i am org admin). I can't see this anywhere. |
21:31.24 | carols | chx: that's something to ask the melange developers |
21:31.55 | chx | thanks |
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21:32.52 | meflin | Ch3ck: if you where the admin in that year you can still see the list under your dashboard when you change the year |
21:37.17 | umccullough | he left |
21:37.35 | umccullough | he/she |
21:37.45 | meflin | I saw |
21:37.50 | umccullough | :) |
21:38.07 | brlcad | probably wasn't admin for prior year, so no access for him |
21:38.17 | meflin | yep |
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21:53.44 | parx | I see an upcoming GSoC meetup in Chicago on the GSoC calendar. |
21:53.55 | parx | Are these events hosted by locals who've already participated to hangout or are they for GSoC administrators to promote/recruit new students? |
21:54.45 | carols | parx: that particular one is being held by locals who have participated in the program |
21:55.01 | carols | we have events where the administrators are hosting meet ups as well, but that's not one of them |
21:55.35 | Hamish_B | Hi, we @osgeo have noticed that there's a second application in our name on melange (org id: ludelaz_osgeo) which I guess was made by some confused student or mentor. the answers are just junk chars. it shows up on my list of managed applications, so either whoever did it must have added my name as backup-admin, or maybe melange is matching the org name? (which is identical to ours) I'm concerned that this could be confusing to melange+humans; can an |
21:55.35 | Hamish_B | ything be done to remove it? |
21:55.53 | carols | Hamish_B: you should ask the melange developers. |
21:56.01 | Hamish_B | ok, tx |
21:56.05 | carols | yw |
21:57.27 | parx | carols Is there a way for me to see who or what org is involved? |
21:57.39 | carols | parx: in the meet up? |
21:57.42 | parx | yes |
21:57.53 | carols | parx: yes, the whole thread is on our meet ups list |
21:58.00 | carols | has the organizers and all that |
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22:04.22 | parx | I don't see a meetups list https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#1._What_are_the_program_mailing_lists |
22:04.36 | carols | scroll down about an inch to the meet ups section. |
22:04.40 | carols | you'll see it linked there. |
22:04.56 | carols | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#4._I_would_like_to_organize_or_host_a |
22:05.32 | meflin | I never noticed this wording -> "Is there an IRC channel I can idle on?" I see someone knows irc well :D |
22:05.40 | carols | :-) |
22:06.02 | JordiGH | Idle chatter vs idle chatters. |
22:06.11 | meflin | or idle idlers |
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22:39.33 | downey | chatty idlers? |
22:40.00 | bePolite | lol |
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22:44.49 | carols | does anyone have any more questions about org apps? |
22:45.07 | carols | i'm here if you do. |
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22:45.27 | carols | i'd rather answer 40 questions now rather than spend an extra hour in the irc rejected orgs meeting. |
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22:46.04 | carols | shrugs |
22:46.05 | carols | okay. |
22:46.07 | bePolite | hmm |
22:47.02 | stqism | carols: I feel like I should ask you to take a look at my application again. |
22:47.24 | carols | stqism: sure. |
22:47.26 | carols | why not. |
22:47.32 | carols | you're the only one who seems to care :-/ |
22:48.08 | stqism | carols: That's because I'd rather not do something wrong. |
22:48.15 | Hamish_B | we care :) |
22:48.37 | carols | Hamish_B: you just figure your app is already perfect and your chances of being accepted are sure? :-) |
22:50.56 | Hamish_B | just know we have more work to do before it should take up any of your precious time :) |
22:51.25 | carols | well, it's going to take all of my precious time and then some next week :-) |
22:51.38 | carols | i'd rather spend a few minutes on it now than laboring on a yes/no next week at 8pm |
22:51.40 | Hamish_B | for this I do not envy you |
22:51.48 | carols | i don't envy me either. |
22:51.52 | Hamish_B | heh |
22:51.58 | carols | and my reward for it is the 6 hour irc meeting. |
22:52.32 | Hamish_B | yes, but you control the t-shirts. there's a lot of reward in those there t-shirts |
22:52.53 | carols | well, the rejected orgs don't get tshirts. |
22:52.59 | carols | and yet i sit in irc and talk to them anyway. |
22:53.50 | carols | anyway |
22:53.53 | carols | stops complaining |
22:54.08 | Hamish_B | I know, have some tea! |
22:54.33 | carols | thanks Hamish_B |
22:54.35 | carols | sips some tea |
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22:56.39 | carols | hi maryr :-) |
22:56.42 | carols | nice to see you here |
22:57.13 | maryr | carols: hi |
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22:57.21 | maryr | happy to be here |
22:57.39 | carols | see, now we have two people who can answer questions about gsoc :-) |
22:57.55 | maryr | at your service, people! |
22:57.57 | stqism | I think I've seen more Google employees in the 2 weeks I've been lurking here than I have in the rest of the year. |
22:58.22 | carols | maryr: but unfortunately i don't think that means we'll get any more questions on applications :-( |
22:58.59 | carols | stqism: well, it is *google* summer of code.. |
22:59.04 | umccullough | if you're in the "pre-view applications" mode, you can poke at the Haiku one :) |
22:59.16 | carols | umccullough: ha ha! another bite |
22:59.19 | umccullough | ;) |
22:59.23 | meflin | hmm last min sub-org |
22:59.34 | stqism | carols: Valid point, but at SCALE I saw 1. |
22:59.46 | carols | that doesn't surprise me. |
23:00.44 | carols | umccullough: ideas page looks good, but some of the ideas could use a little more info :-) you sort of trail off at the end... ;-) |
23:00.55 | downey | hi maryr :) |
23:01.08 | umccullough | at the end of the ideas list, or at the end of each idea description? |
23:01.30 | umccullough | if you mean the end of the list - i'm not surprised, i suspect a few were recently added there |
23:01.32 | carols | umccullough: a bit of both, but i was referring to those short ideas at the end of the list :-) |
23:01.35 | downey | passes the tea to maryr |
23:01.36 | carols | umccullough: indeed |
23:01.38 | umccullough | yeah, ok |
23:01.45 | umccullough | will rap some knuckles |
23:02.08 | umccullough | thx :) |
23:02.21 | carols | umccullough: you also seem to be under the impression ellen is still on the team even though she left ;-) |
23:02.24 | carols | but an easy mistake to make |
23:02.38 | carols | we'll forgive you for that. |
23:02.51 | umccullough | oh, that would probably be matt's fault |
23:02.57 | umccullough | he's fired |
23:02.59 | umccullough | ;) |
23:03.08 | carols | umccullough: we forgive you for not keeping up on the changing dynamics of our team. |
23:03.34 | stqism | umccullough: Fired? ;-; I was impressed when one of our people who wasn't me edited our ideas page. |
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23:04.44 | umccullough | stqism, matt's our admin this year :D |
23:04.47 | umccullough | i'm just the backup |
23:05.12 | umccullough | but yeah, we encourage the mentors to work on the ideas page |
23:05.19 | umccullough | it shouldn't be solely the admin's job |
23:05.43 | stqism | umccullough: Oh! in our case EVERYTHING is my job by default. :P |
23:06.24 | maryr | downey: hi there :) |
23:06.46 | maryr | thanks for my tea |
23:06.47 | maryr | delish |
23:08.10 | meflin | ooo a complete set of requirements they might make it :) |
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23:09.29 | umccullough | carols, is there a list of the gsoc admins somewhere that I should reference? |
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23:10.10 | carols | umccullough: can you be more specific? |
23:10.14 | umccullough | stqism, that's unfortunate - i hope you'll find some people to help :) |
23:10.23 | carols | we don't release individual participant names publicly... |
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23:10.36 | umccullough | i meant on your end |
23:10.50 | umccullough | eh, i'll just take ellen's name out entirely |
23:10.52 | stqism | umccullough: 110 people willing to code, 1 willing to write up a gsoc ideas list :) |
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23:10.59 | carols | umccullough: oh! |
23:11.04 | carols | you want to know who's in ospo |
23:11.06 | carols | ? |
23:11.25 | umccullough | right |
23:11.29 | umccullough | do you maintain a list? |
23:11.43 | carols | no, we don't maintain a list, there's only 4 of us :-) |
23:11.47 | carols | seems silly to do that |
23:11.55 | umccullough | ok |
23:11.57 | carols | it's me, sttaylor, maryr and all man |
23:12.00 | carols | allman |
23:12.26 | stqism | At first I was wondering what all man meant :P |
23:12.43 | carols | yeah, stupid autocorrect |
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23:13.06 | reynaldo | Im guessing there's nothing wrong with discussing the mentoring organization proposal publicly? |
23:13.12 | reynaldo | hi btw ;) |
23:13.22 | carols | reynaldo: certainly not if you are talking about your own org? |
23:13.30 | carols | and as long as you're ok with it, of course |
23:13.31 | reynaldo | yup |
23:13.36 | carols | it's your prerogative |
23:13.41 | reynaldo | carols: great, thanks a lot |
23:13.50 | carols | sure, happy to answer questions |
23:15.34 | reynaldo | cool, thanks again for your quick answer :) |
23:15.42 | carols | you're welcome |
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23:18.04 | carols | serves some tea |
23:18.35 | loomio | HI everyone :) I have a question about applying as a mentor organization. Is this a good place to ask? |
23:18.47 | carols | loomio: this is a great place to ask! |
23:18.51 | meflin | carols: good idea mine is steeping now :) [ white tip oolong ] |
23:19.02 | carols | i would love to answer questions |
23:19.10 | loomio | yay thanks. sorry to interrupt your tea :) |
23:19.13 | downey | whiteTea++ |
23:19.26 | carols | loomio: no no. it's a nice accompaniment to feel useful. |
23:19.57 | loomio | I have filled out our profile and questionnaire and published the Ideas List on our blog. But there was no kind of final "You've submitted your application!" message on melange. Have I done everything I need to do? |
23:20.12 | carols | loomio: do you have a dashboard on the left hand sidebar? |
23:20.18 | loomio | yes |
23:20.29 | carols | if you click on it, do you have a "managed organizations" option? |
23:20.38 | loomio | yep! |
23:20.42 | loomio | and it list mine there |
23:20.45 | loomio | *lists |
23:20.46 | carols | do you have your org listed in there? |
23:20.49 | carols | and you see your application? |
23:21.15 | loomio | yeah if I click my org name there, it shows me my org profile page |
23:21.21 | loomio | with the info in it |
23:21.26 | carols | great |
23:21.29 | carols | you're all set |
23:21.36 | loomio | oh, awesome. thank you! |
23:21.36 | carols | you can continue to modify it until the deadline if you like |
23:21.43 | carols | of leave it alone if you like that too |
23:21.49 | loomio | that's great to know |
23:21.53 | carols | :-) |
23:21.55 | carols | happy to help. |
23:22.26 | loomio | I hope we're accepted :D ...do you happen to know how Google contacts back prospective orgs after review? Will we get an email? |
23:22.47 | carols | loomio: yes, you will receive an email on the announcement day with either acceptance or rejection notification |
23:22.59 | loomio | great. thanks so much for your help! I think i'm all set now. |
23:23.02 | carols | yw |
23:23.06 | loomio | all the best with the programme!! |
23:23.12 | carols | thanks :-) |
23:23.15 | loomio | enjoy your tea as well. bye! |
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23:23.20 | carols | bye :-) |
23:23.44 | carols | too bad he/she didn't actually ask any questions about the application. |
23:23.48 | carols | could have helped with that too. |
23:23.50 | carols | oh well. |
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23:24.38 | stqism | Lovely question, asking if you can ask question. |
23:24.41 | stqism | A^ |
23:25.28 | carols | any more guesses from the peanut gallery on how many apps we'll get this year? |
23:25.52 | stqism | carols: You know, you never actually gave me any feedback on our application. Also, 10% than last time. |
23:26.00 | stqism | !numapps |
23:26.00 | gsocbot | stqism: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 orgs and 1212 of 6685 proposals (by 4258 students) were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs and 1116 of 5474 proposals (by 3731 students) were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs and 1026 of 5539 propsals (by 3464 students) were accepted. |
23:26.10 | carols | stqism: oh, you want me to take a look again? sure. |
23:26.25 | stqism | carols: My guess? 470 |
23:26.43 | Botanic_ | intresting 2013 and 2011 had the exact same number o.0 |
23:27.03 | carols | stqism: cool. so noted. |
23:27.06 | Botanic_ | im guessint 438 |
23:27.13 | stqism | Now you're making me feel like I guessed too high :P |
23:27.16 | carols | Botanic_: so noted :-) |
23:27.29 | Botanic_ | we get free food at mentor summit if we right? :D |
23:27.44 | carols | Botanic_: you get a pair of gsocks |
23:27.48 | carols | so even better, really |
23:28.13 | Botanic_ | hehe you had a few spares from the summit iirc :) |
23:28.13 | Triskelios | will mentor 4 food |
23:28.25 | carols | Botanic_: so many. |
23:28.28 | downey | i wear my GSoCks on every gsoc milestone day :) |
23:28.33 | carols | we have a separate warehouse for them. |
23:28.44 | carols | downey: you're such a diehard. <3 |
23:29.06 | maryr | downey: I think you deserve another pair of socks! |
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23:29.11 | maryr | any holes in those yet? |
23:29.20 | Botanic_ | carols, just curious how much does vouching matter or can you say? |
23:29.24 | downey | i have like 4 pair now i think ... :D |
23:29.27 | carols | Botanic_: it matters. |
23:29.33 | carols | Botanic_: your ideas page matter much more. |
23:29.37 | carols | but vouching matters. |
23:29.39 | carols | we care. |
23:29.41 | Botanic_ | i figured as much :) |
23:29.49 | carols | if someone's willing to put their good name on the line for you, we pay attention |
23:30.08 | dthoren | when are the student applications open. can i have someone pm me for more info |
23:30.42 | downey | dthoren: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
23:31.37 | carols | thank downey |
23:31.43 | carols | you were faster than us :-) |
23:32.16 | dthoren | thanks |
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23:33.11 | dthoren | so in other words they open on the 21 of march |
23:33.20 | downey | carols: "us"? :) |
23:33.28 | carols | dthoren: nope. that's not what that doc says. |
23:33.32 | dom96 | Do new orgs need to be vouched for to get accepted? |
23:33.39 | downey | figures carols is probably an AI bot powered by the Google Pigeon System. http://www.google.com/technology/pigeon_system.jpg |
23:33.45 | carols | dom96: need to? no. is a really nice point in your favor? yes. |
23:33.51 | carols | downey: haha :-) |
23:33.52 | dthoren | 10th of march |
23:33.58 | carols | dthoren: correct. |
23:34.27 | dthoren | okay how many people are normally accepted and what kind of code id usually looked for |
23:34.34 | dom96 | carols: Got any links related to vouching I could read up on? |
23:34.41 | downey | dom96: if you want to get an org to vouch for you, remind them that they need to update their org's questionnaire too :) |
23:35.08 | stqism | !numapps | dthoren |
23:35.09 | gsocbot | dthoren: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 orgs and 1212 of 6685 proposals (by 4258 students) were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs and 1116 of 5474 proposals (by 3731 students) were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs and 1026 of 5539 propsals (by 3464 students) were accepted. |
23:35.13 | carols | dom96: nope, if you have an org to vouch for you you probably already know them. that's it, all they have to do is list you in their application and vice versa |
23:35.39 | dom96 | Ahh. Alright, thanks. |
23:35.42 | carols | dom96: yw |
23:36.19 | dthoren | dang those stats of acceptance are really low in a away |
23:37.06 | dthoren | what kind of code do you guys prefer for people to know? |
23:37.20 | carols | dthoren: we don't have any preference. the orgs will. you should ask them |
23:37.24 | stqism | dthoren: That depends on the mentoring org |
23:38.03 | dthoren | ok because i know basic html,and basic javascript, and hopefully will be learning c++ soon |
23:38.19 | carols | dthoren: great things to speak to your potential org about. |
23:39.11 | dthoren | what is the age range of the students that are normally accepted |
23:39.22 | carols | dthoren: there isn't. they're all over 18, that's the only requirement. |
23:39.31 | stqism | dthoren: When the winners are chosen, you'll find them https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014 |
23:39.53 | stqism | Winners being chosen orgs |
23:41.40 | dthoren | the only place it currently has the age requirement is on the faq page. if i would have know you had to be 18 i wouldnt be on here |
23:41.51 | carols | dthoren: okay, sorry to hear that! |
23:42.08 | carols | maybe you could participate in our contest for 13-17 year olds if we run it again and you're eligible for that. |
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23:42.36 | dthoren | ok well thanks for answering my questions |
23:42.37 | Botanic_ | downey, if carols is a bot then id be inclined to say AI's have advanced much at google :D |
23:42.42 | carols | dthoren: you're welcome |
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23:43.00 | stqism | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2014, right sidebar. |
23:43.02 | downey | figures the movie "Her" was really leaked out of Google X |
23:43.06 | stqism | Wow. |
23:43.27 | stqism | downey: her always looked like an Apple thing. |
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23:43.56 | downey | stqism: Not a Google Now user? :) |
23:44.31 | stqism | downey: I am, I rely on it to tell me what I need to know, not have a conversation :P |
23:45.13 | dom96 | carols: It kind of sucks for high school students who are 18. They are not eligible for GSoC or Google Code-In. :( |
23:45.33 | carols | dom96: why does it suck that they're eligible for a different program? |
23:45.39 | carols | i think that's pretty darn awesome... |
23:46.00 | dom96 | hrm? My point is that they are not eligible for either. |
23:46.13 | downey | carols: trapped in between |
23:46.18 | carols | dom96: high school students? are they accepted into university? |
23:46.21 | dom96 | ^ |
23:46.27 | downey | we have a trapped person in our community ...he'll be a mentor if we get accepted :) |
23:46.52 | dom96 | I am one of those people too heh. |
23:47.16 | dom96 | I found out about code-in too late, and now I must wait a year until I am at uni to do GSoC. |
23:47.31 | downey | carols: talking about the high school students who are 18 right now and not yet accepted into a univ by April. |
23:47.42 | carols | well, that's 1 year to volunteer for an open source organization and make an awesome application.... |
23:47.46 | downey | :-) |
23:47.49 | stqism | Sometimes I feel young here, sometimes I feel old. This place is so weird. |
23:49.06 | downey | carols: someone was asking me when the age criteria for mentors began. do you recall? |
23:49.14 | stqism | Slightly annoyed I didn't know about gce in high school. |
23:49.28 | stqism | downey: 18 |
23:49.33 | carols | downey: i do, it was last year when our lawyers decided that it was too much of a liability otherwise. |
23:49.39 | umccullough | gce? |
23:49.42 | dom96 | You guys should send out some posters to high schools about Google Code-in. |
23:49.46 | downey | carols: lawyers++ ... and -- |
23:49.49 | stqism | umccullough: The gci |
23:49.56 | carols | dom96: that's for sttaylor to think about :-) |
23:49.57 | umccullough | ah, gci is relatively new anyhow ;) |
23:50.00 | carols | i have enough on my plate as it is |
23:50.21 | stqism | Actually, I don't even know if gci was around while I was in high school. |
23:50.29 | umccullough | i know it wasn't when i was :P |
23:50.36 | umccullough | in fact...google probably wasn't even around yet |
23:50.37 | carols | stqism: probably not...it only started 4 years ago |
23:50.48 | umccullough | feels old now |
23:50.54 | stqism | Yeah, nope. |
23:51.13 | carols | i also wish gsoc had existed when i was in university |
23:51.18 | carols | which was actually close |
23:51.29 | carols | only a couple years difference |
23:51.45 | stqism | Gsoc existed when I was in high school. Just not gci |
23:51.59 | sttaylor | dom96: we send out emails about GCI to teaching organizations around the globe. We can't reach every school, so we rely on our friends in the OS community to spread the word too |
23:52.08 | downey | hi sttaylor :) |
23:52.57 | sttaylor | hi downey, good to "see" you |
23:53.08 | downey | passes the tea |
23:53.19 | carols | good idea |
23:53.21 | carols | gets more tea |
23:53.23 | sttaylor | downey: will you be at FOSSASIA? or anyone else on here right now? |
23:53.34 | downey | sttaylor: yes, we have someone speaking there. (not me) :) |
23:54.03 | sttaylor | downey: cool :) |
23:54.07 | downey | sttaylor: one of our previous gsoc students in fact :) |
23:57.10 | sttaylor | downey: that's awesome. allman and I look forward to meeting a bunch of former GSoCers in our travels to India, Singapore and FOSSAsia in Cambodia these next few weeks |
23:57.40 | downey | sttaylor: excellent! |
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