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02:23.30 | Wes1 | Does anyone know if there will be any projects for beginner level programmers in GSOC? |
02:23.59 | meflin | orgs are not yet chosen but you could look as 2013 list |
02:24.50 | Wes1 | Thanks meflin. Looks like they'll be announced Monday. |
02:25.02 | meflin | I think firday? |
02:25.09 | meflin | check the time line |
02:25.31 | Wes1 | Feb. 24, Monday. |
02:26.27 | meflin | I thought it was 21 but I have not look in a long time |
02:27.08 | meflin | it is a good idea to look at the old list and get started |
02:27.16 | meflin | you will learn alot |
02:28.12 | Wes1 | Ok I'll take a look. |
02:33.03 | Slurpee | !next |
02:33.04 | gsocbot | Slurpee: "next" is accepted orgs will be announced feb 24th 19:00 UTC |
02:33.18 | Slurpee | Wes1, meflin - ^ |
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02:37.22 | Wes1 | Last time I drank a Slurpee was about 3 years ago. My brain almost froze. |
02:38.05 | meflin | drink the Slurpee |
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05:39.02 | joshwambua | Hi all, what do you check to prove that one is a real student? |
05:39.22 | meflin | its in the faq |
05:39.52 | stqism | joshwambua: You'd essentially need statements verifying you're a student |
05:40.16 | joshwambua | Such as school ID and what else? |
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05:41.14 | meflin | have you read the faq? |
05:41.51 | joshwambua | Yeah |
05:42.27 | meflin | it should be cleear |
05:42.39 | stqism | joshwambua: It would be things like a statement notarized from your school stating that you attend. |
05:42.48 | stqism | But the faq actually says all this |
05:42.54 | joshwambua | Ah ok, thanks |
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08:01.37 | a9393j | hello |
08:04.04 | stqism | Hey |
08:05.02 | a9393j | what will happen if a person apply for multiple orgs and get selected in them ? |
08:05.19 | a9393j | i mean in multiple orgs at the same time |
08:06.08 | stqism | a9393j: That usually never happens, gsoc is very competitive |
08:07.13 | a9393j | ohk |
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08:11.01 | umccullough | if it does happen, there is a final "deduplication" where orgs decide who gets to have the student |
08:11.13 | umccullough | and it does happen :) |
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08:35.01 | Slash | Is there anything the participants can do till the list of organisations is released apart from just waiting? |
08:35.25 | stqism | Slash: Googling gsoc 2014 might help |
08:35.28 | olly_ | Slash: go and talk to organisations who've applied |
08:35.36 | stqism | Slash: gsoc 2014 proposal |
08:35.51 | stqism | Something like that'll show you something |
08:36.45 | olly_ | i know this works pretty well: gsoc 2014 project ideas |
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08:39.12 | Heisenberg | How do we know which organsations have applied? |
08:40.34 | Guest98779 | And in the proposal, do we have to mention new ideas or discuss about an idea from the ideas page? |
08:42.52 | olly_ | Guest98779: most orgs are happy to consider both |
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08:43.50 | stqism | Guest98779: The applied list is confidential |
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08:44.14 | olly_ | that's a stretch really |
08:44.24 | olly_ | most orgs don't make it a secret they've applied |
08:44.42 | Guest98779 | As of now, we cant start writing the proposal isn't it? Because the organisations' list isn't released. Am I correct? |
08:44.46 | stqism | olly_: They don't, but google doesn't disclose it |
08:45.10 | olly_ | except that org homepages are visible for orgs who've applied |
08:45.47 | olly_ | so if you can guess the short name (which is usually obvious) you can check definitively |
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08:47.09 | olly_ | Guest98779: you can find a lot of the orgs who've applied with a websearch, e.g.: gsoc 2014 project ideas |
08:47.43 | Guest98779 | olly_: Thanks :) |
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10:28.19 | VarunAgw | !next |
10:28.22 | gsocbot | VarunAgw: "next" is accepted orgs will be announced feb 24th 19:00 UTC |
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10:40.52 | Jag | HI all! I need little help. I am looking for a organisation where i can use my frontend skills to contribute to the project. |
10:41.50 | Jag | @Jag whois |
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14:51.21 | downey | !logs |
14:51.21 | gsocbot | downey: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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15:31.18 | bipul | I am looking for a help. Regading GSOC-14 |
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15:31.57 | darnir | What are you looking for? |
15:33.40 | bipul | darnir: I want to participat. |
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15:36.18 | stqism | Have you read the faq? |
15:36.40 | bipul | Yes, and i think i am late. :( |
15:36.53 | stqism | As a student? |
15:37.17 | bipul | stqism: Yes :( |
15:37.53 | stqism | The application period for students hasn't started yet |
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15:39.39 | bipul | stqism: I am just singal student. and i have keen intrest in it, I am trying it for 2009. |
15:40.05 | bipul | s/for/since |
15:40.13 | stqism | The mentor org acceptance period isn't done yet |
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15:41.04 | blast007 | bipul: review the timeline |
15:41.16 | bipul | http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#2._What_is_the_program_timeline |
15:41.29 | stqism | !timeline | bipul |
15:41.29 | gsocbot | bipul: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
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15:47.20 | bipul | so after submission of Mentoring organizations, I am able to choose my subject. |
15:48.30 | bipul | subject here refers to my project. |
15:49.00 | blast007 | no. After the student application period opens you can submit applications. |
15:49.48 | blast007 | but you can start interacting with organizations whenever you want - genreally, the sooner the better :) |
15:50.23 | bipul | for example ? |
15:51.02 | blast007 | check the org list from 2013 for a rough idea of orgs that *might* be in 2014 |
15:51.40 | blast007 | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2013 |
15:52.11 | bipul | ok. I am into networking side. so better i found some organisation related to N+. |
15:52.45 | blast007 | so put "network" into the tags filter there |
15:53.16 | bipul | Thank you blast007 :) and stqism for giving me your precious time. |
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16:19.55 | DaSpirit | Any way to know if an organization has been accepted early? :p |
16:20.30 | gevaerts | Yes |
16:20.38 | gevaerts | No organisation has been accepted early :) |
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16:23.04 | stqism | gevaerts: That's a double negative. |
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16:25.00 | gevaerts | stqism: where? |
16:25.24 | gevaerts | denies everything twice |
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16:37.44 | rohith | NickServ VERIFY REGISTER rohith uxwqrjcrnobo |
16:38.37 | meflin | you might want to change that password ;) |
16:39.32 | DaSpirit | Wow that's awks. |
16:39.55 | rohith | NickServ VERIFY REGISTER rohith uxwqrjcrnobo |
16:40.28 | gevaerts | That's not going to help |
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16:45.49 | e^0 | how is the payment done ? |
16:46.02 | scoprion | any tips for a newbie (student)? |
16:46.35 | scorche|sh | e^0: have you read through the FAQ? |
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16:47.01 | scorche|sh | !studentguide |
16:47.01 | gsocbot | scorche|sh: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
16:47.17 | scorche|sh | scoprion: there are lots of tips in the guide linked above =) |
16:47.54 | umccullough | tip: find an org, get involved early |
16:48.03 | e^0 | scorche|sh: ok :) |
16:51.08 | scoprion | i wanted to ask , do only very skilled guys get selected or there is chance for even enthusiasts who are on their way to be that? |
16:52.57 | meflin | there is a chance yes |
16:54.35 | gevaerts | If you mean technically skilled, yes. For gsoc, communication can be just as important |
16:54.51 | gevaerts | And people who are technically skilled sometimes fail there |
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17:13.47 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
17:15.22 | meflin | craws to the tea |
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17:19.45 | umccullough | craws? |
17:19.54 | umccullough | you need some caffeine :) |
17:20.05 | meflin | yep i do |
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18:48.36 | Saksham | hello |
18:48.47 | ^stqism | Hey |
18:49.00 | Saksham | hi i am saksham kashyap |
18:49.14 | ^stqism | And what can we help you with? |
18:49.18 | Saksham | i am a student of b.tech |
18:49.24 | ^stqism | I see |
18:49.31 | Saksham | Computer science |
18:49.36 | ^stqism | Okay |
18:50.07 | Saksham | I have good knowledge of java |
18:50.19 | ^0xstqism | Saksham: Okay |
18:50.26 | ^stqism | Great |
18:50.36 | Saksham | and i was willing to take part ingsoc 2014 |
18:50.43 | Saksham | in gsoc* |
18:50.46 | ^0xstqism | ^stqism: Note to self: Group that |
18:50.56 | ^0xstqism | Saksham: Have you read the faq? |
18:51.08 | ^stqism | Note to self: Group that? |
18:51.14 | Saksham | yes yes |
18:51.26 | umccullough | this isn't where you sign up for gsoc :) |
18:51.38 | ^0xstqism | Saksham: Okay, you'll want to apply when the time comes |
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18:51.44 | Saksham | i wanted to know that suppose i am selected |
18:52.06 | ^0xstqism | Okay |
18:52.19 | umccullough | please ask your question all at once... |
18:52.29 | ^0xstqism | ^ this |
18:52.43 | Saksham | and i am stuck in between of the project |
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18:53.00 | ^0xstqism | Saksham: And, what's your question? |
18:53.06 | Saksham | and i dont know some concepts |
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18:53.18 | Saksham | how will i get help |
18:53.18 | Saksham | ?? |
18:53.25 | umccullough | you'll ask your mentor |
18:53.27 | ^0xstqism | Your mentor would help you |
18:53.34 | Saksham | ok . |
18:54.07 | ^stqism | Saksham, You can also use google and sites like Stack Overflow |
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19:35.48 | carols | serves some more tea and doffee |
19:35.51 | carols | coffee |
19:35.55 | carols | apparently i need some myself. |
19:36.12 | carols | so quiet in here again :-) |
19:37.17 | meflin | its one of those days where there is never enough tea .... I'm going to cancel it :D |
19:37.36 | carols | good idea :-) |
19:37.53 | downey | switches to coffee today |
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19:38.12 | carols | hi downey :-) |
19:38.15 | meflin | ah I have enough votes Wednesday is canceled |
19:38.38 | downey | Hi carols :-) happy Wednesday |
19:38.52 | carols | happy "We're through round 1 of reviews for gsoc org apps" day |
19:39.04 | downey | round 1 of ... ? :) |
19:39.07 | carols | 3 |
19:39.10 | carols | usually |
19:39.16 | downey | that's almost half! |
19:39.18 | carols | i think it's going to be 3 this year since we had less apps |
19:39.27 | carols | sometimes it goes to 4, but only rarely |
19:39.40 | downey | meflin: i feel like we were claiming Wednesday to be TGIF for #gsoc |
19:39.42 | carols | and round 2 will be done by the end of today |
19:39.46 | downey | meflin: so it'd be bad to cancel it |
19:39.56 | meflin | bah fine :) |
19:40.02 | carols | :-) |
19:40.14 | meflin | makes more tea then |
19:40.20 | downey | the real Google TGIF is Thursday, right? |
19:40.31 | gevaerts | decides to have some tea and toffee |
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19:42.45 | carols | downey: that's correct. |
19:42.59 | carols | i love to ask that when i give tours |
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19:43.06 | carols | "so, everyone, when's TGIF?" |
19:43.11 | carols | "that's right. thursday." |
19:43.18 | downey | which time zone? ;-) |
19:43.23 | carols | exactly |
19:43.30 | paultag | for some very large values of thursday |
19:43.31 | downey | is all too familiar with time zone stress |
19:43.31 | carols | its meant to accommodate the southern hemisphere too |
19:44.57 | downey | random props for http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/ |
19:45.17 | downey | if there are any calendar-type gsoc orgs in here :) |
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19:47.30 | stqism | downey: Not a lot of room to branch out in making calendars :P |
19:48.39 | downey | stqism: don't get me started on my google calendar ideas ;-) |
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19:50.07 | gevaerts | asks stqism about decent caldav clients |
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19:50.55 | stqism | gevaerts: That reminds me, no .cal support in the Android calendar sucks :( |
19:51.14 | gevaerts | stqism: there's s a lot of room in the calendar area :) |
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19:51.38 | stqism | Welp, you got me on that one. |
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19:51.51 | downey | stqism: e.g., https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdfilter=calendar |
19:52.02 | Ivanovic | carols: over the last two days we had some problems with our server (one harddrive in the raid dying...) leading to the site sometimes not working |
19:52.17 | Ivanovic | carols: right now the ideas page should be functional: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SummerOfCodeIdeas |
19:52.33 | Ivanovic | i hope this does not overlap (too badly) with you and your team checking our ideas |
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19:54.58 | Slurpee | downey, I'm a fan of http://www.worldtimeserver.com/meeting-planner.aspx |
19:55.39 | downey | Slurpee: Have use that but not everyone works "business hours" in their location :) |
19:55.57 | carols | Ivanovic: okay, thanks |
19:56.08 | stqism | downey: Those caldav and ics format importing stuff really should be a part of the aosp calendar app |
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19:56.54 | Slurpee | downey, I'll give worldtimebuddy.com a try next time. |
19:57.22 | downey | stqism: i'm sure #android would welcome your feedback ;-) |
19:57.56 | stqism | downey: Yeah, it's a tad off topic :P |
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21:13.44 | ph4n70m4s | what is the necessary legalese a mentor has to sign in order to be part of gsoc? |
21:15.03 | stqism | ph4n70m4s: You just have to be 18 and in a country where it isn't forbidden |
21:15.16 | stqism | *over 18 |
21:15.19 | ph4n70m4s | I am 20 and I am from Greece |
21:15.47 | ph4n70m4s | last year a friend of mine from the same univercity worked on gsoc |
21:15.58 | ph4n70m4s | so there won't be any problems |
21:16.24 | stqism | Nope, you'll be fine. |
21:16.38 | stqism | You do need to agree to make a Google account though. |
21:17.14 | blast007 | (or use one you already have) |
21:17.19 | stqism | ^ |
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21:18.20 | ph4n70m4s | thnx :-) |
21:18.26 | mark_weaver | what is the exact legalese I would have to agree to, to be a GSoC mentor? |
21:18.38 | carols | mark_weaver: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/org_admin_agreement |
21:19.05 | mark_weaver | carols: thanks! |
21:19.08 | carols | yw |
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21:32.10 | mark_weaver | ouch. "6.5 Amendments. Google reserves the right at any time to amend this Agreement. Any changes made will be effective immediately upon notice, which we may give either by posting the revised Agreement on the Site or via electronic mail. Your continued participation in Google Summer of Code after such notice will be deemed acceptance of such changes." |
21:33.42 | MisterH | pretty much every company does that you'd think |
21:34.05 | mark_weaver | that doesn't make it any more acceptable. |
21:34.38 | MisterH | well, yes but it's pretty standard imho |
21:35.16 | MisterH | i'm not disagreeing with you that it's awful |
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21:36.50 | MisterH | big companies always use legalese to their advantage |
21:38.38 | mark_weaver | I thought Google was better than most companies. I'm disappointed to see them sliding down into "standard behavior". |
21:39.40 | mark_weaver | I'm not willing to give Google a blank agreement with my signature on it, which is essentially what this is. |
21:40.00 | mark_weaver | s/Google/anyone/ |
21:40.23 | mark_weaver | I realize that I'm unusual. Most people click "agree" without even reading, which is why this kind of thing can become so widespread. |
21:41.27 | waldi | here[tm], blizzard just got this parts of there Wow agreement forcefuly removed by court |
21:41.44 | MisterH | mark_weaver: if you want to see something particularly dirty, check out some of those gaming companies terms of service/whatever |
21:42.22 | MisterH | "blizzard/whoever owns all the virtual items on your account as well as your account. They are subject to being changed/removed without any notice or reason" is pretty standard |
21:42.31 | MisterH | something like that |
21:42.35 | mark_weaver | nothing can be any worse than a blank agreement to be filled in later. |
21:42.56 | mark_weaver | because any horrible clause you could think of could be put in that blank space. |
21:43.00 | MisterH | well, I doubt google's has any nefarious intentions |
21:43.05 | MisterH | google* |
21:44.01 | MisterH | and you do indeed have the right to not participate if you disagree with any changes made from the looks of it |
21:44.37 | MisterH | so it's not like they can have you sign it and then edit it while you're legally bound by it |
21:44.52 | mark_weaver | it's not practical for me to check the agreement on the site before each instant of "participating". |
21:45.03 | MisterH | sure, I agree with that |
21:45.06 | mark_weaver | s/me/anyone/ |
21:45.52 | naywhayare | from my interpretations and dealings with companies as an independent consultant (where the agreements often look similarly nefarious), it has more to do with the company covering themselves against potential litigation than taking advantage of the other party |
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21:46.02 | umccullough | doesn't it indicate that you will receive notice of the changes? |
21:46.11 | naywhayare | this doesn't change the reality of what it says... but it's at least a perspective that hasn't been offered here in this discussion yet, so I thought I'd throw it in there |
21:46.23 | umccullough | oh, it says they can post it on the site, nevermind |
21:46.42 | MisterH | naywhayare: that's what I was about to say |
21:46.45 | downey | We are all free to run our own sponsored mentoring programs. :) |
21:46.52 | MisterH | I was looking up the particular legal term for it |
21:47.15 | MisterH | which I can't find, hahaha |
21:47.31 | umccullough | downey, Haiku did twice, it was hard! |
21:47.31 | naywhayare | I think the particular legal term is "CYA" :) |
21:47.49 | downey | umccullough: Indeed it is. :) |
21:49.31 | MisterH | yes, that's what I was looking for |
21:49.43 | MisterH | it's pretty practical legally speaking |
21:53.46 | umccullough | practically speaking, if they changed the terms without making it blatantly obvious and giving everyone a chance to opt-out, it would never hold up in court |
21:53.54 | umccullough | at least, not a court here in the U.S. |
21:53.57 | mark_weaver | I don't doubt that's why they're doing it, but it would be more honest to simply say "you have to agree to any terms we decide, now or in the future, so take a leap of faith and trust us to be good." |
21:54.22 | mark_weaver | and I'm not willing to do that. I find it very sad that so many people are willing to. |
21:54.55 | umccullough | the sad part is that people find loopholes in the terms and abuse them, forcing them to amend the terms to deal with the problem |
21:55.02 | MisterH | well, google hasn't exactly flayed someone alive because it's written in their contract, so it can't be too bad, right? |
21:55.06 | meflin | so dont :P |
21:55.50 | umccullough | from a skimming, I don't see any "breach of contract" terms in there that allow them to actually hold you liable for jack shit |
21:56.02 | umccullough | mostly it's limiting their own liability |
21:56.03 | carols | umccullough: please watch your language |
21:56.07 | umccullough | sorry, carols |
21:56.11 | carols | thanks |
21:56.26 | meflin | lets all relax and have some tea |
21:57.05 | downey | mark_weaver: As with most things in life, it's a trade off. Google supports us, and their terms are acceptable in lieu of that support and our past experience with their good faith & behavior in executing their end of the deal. |
21:57.14 | downey | Mmm tea |
21:57.20 | mark_weaver | IANAL, but my understanding is that if I sign a contract and there is consideration involved, that constitutes a promise that I'll agree to the terms of that contract. In this case, that means I'm agreeing to any clause they decide on in the future. |
21:57.25 | naywhayare | mark_weaver: before you dispense encompassing judgment, please do realize that in many cases (gsoc excepted) one must either accept the legalese or starve. |
21:58.54 | MisterH | google won't come to your house with a baseball bat and smash your knees because you don't want to agree with their terms |
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21:59.08 | mark_weaver | that's an exaggeration. perhaps "accept the legalese or live with less". |
21:59.35 | mark_weaver | please, your hacking away at strawmen. of course they wouldn't do anything close to that. |
21:59.59 | MisterH | it was a hyperbole |
22:00.02 | mark_weaver | but I could imagine them sticking in some clause about not speaking out publicly against google, or not competing with one of their products, or something like that. |
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22:00.17 | umccullough | i guess it wouldn't be too hard to write some mechanism that compares the agreement to a cached copy every few minutes |
22:00.34 | MisterH | lol |
22:00.34 | umccullough | and alerts a group of individuals if it happens to change |
22:00.57 | umccullough | at which point, they can choose to stop participating ;) |
22:01.08 | mark_weaver | anyone who knows about multithreaded programming can see the race condition there. |
22:01.51 | olly_ | hmm, i read that as they'd notify you via the melange site, but it doesn't actually say that |
22:01.53 | umccullough | please |
22:02.22 | naywhayare | mark_weaver: in my situation, it was not an exaggeration. this is digressing very far from gsoc, so I'm letting this go. I'm not sure why you're being so contrarian about all of this ... |
22:02.24 | olly_ | or at least not completely clearly |
22:02.41 | MisterH | my college has makes students agree with terms to use the wifi, and it's pretty much a blank agreement. That said, it's up to you to decide whether or not signing the agreement is worth it |
22:02.59 | downey | I'm glad I'm a pragmatist. :-) |
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22:04.00 | MisterH | has makes, what was I on haha, makes* |
22:05.01 | mark_weaver | okay, I've said what I had to say. thanks for helping me find the legalese. |
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22:25.42 | downey | adds a little honey to the #gsoc tea to sweeten it up |
22:26.09 | meflin | holds out his mug |
22:26.21 | meflin | dont suppose you have any whiskey? |
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22:27.15 | meflin | no :) |
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