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00:00.33stqismSo close, man
00:01.27DaSpiritI'm excited.
00:01.31DaSpiritI hope this new organization I got to sign up has made it >.<
00:04.52gevaertsSlurpee: only 18 hours for me :)
00:05.57olly_looks like I may be winning - less than 6 hours for me
00:06.20gevaertsWell done!
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00:54.21*** topic/#gsoc is Google Summer of Code 2014 mentoring organization applications are now closed. We announce accepted organizations on 24 February at 19:00 UTC. Please check out our timeline for more info: goo.gl/Anraxm
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03:26.45wkoszek_Is Google sending posters to the US schools and tries to make them show up on school door etc.. ?
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05:38.56Hamish_typo_mob!logs
05:38.57gsocbotHamish_typo_mob: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/
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05:41.39Hamish_typo_mobnotes logs stopped logging a couple weks ago
05:43.32kblinoh?
05:43.45kblinindeed, where is ibot?
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07:22.11kblin!logs
07:22.12gsocbotkblin: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/
07:22.50kblin!learn logs as not working at the moment
07:22.51gsocbotkblin: "logs" is (#1) http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/, or (#2) not working at the moment
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07:27.28ollyhmm, be good to get logs going again before the rejected orgs feedback meeting
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07:41.51ollyum, I see logs from not long ago at all
07:42.05ollyhttp://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/20140223.html.gz
07:42.19ollywhich looks to be up to midnight in whereever ibot it
07:42.41ollyah, UTC I guess, as the last line is:
07:42.53olly23:59.50Slurpee19 hours until 19:00 feb 24
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07:43.53ollykblin: what made you think it wasn't working (other than someone else saying it wasn't)?
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16:58.47edsiper2 hours..
16:58.53hiddenpearlslol
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16:59.15hiddenpearlsnew organizations are counting time :)
16:59.27astrofrogis there a countdown bot?
16:59.30edsipernot new really :)
16:59.36astrofrogsomeone should make one
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17:10.10astrofroggevaerts: kidding :)
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17:16.45*** topic/#gsoc is Google Summer of Code 2014 mentoring organization applications are now closed. We announce accepted organizations on 24 February at 19:00 UTC. Please check out our timeline for more info: goo.gl/Anraxm
17:16.56astrofrogedsiper - thanks!
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17:29.10modocacheHey, just thought I'd point out a typo on the GSoC site: "List of accepted mentoring organizations published on the Google Summer of Code 2014 site." is listed twice in the program timeline. See: http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#2._What_is_the_program_timeline
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17:34.39n|west_that's just how exciting it is
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17:36.37DaSpiritHey, what's future link to accepted orgs?
17:37.18stqismIt'll be on the site
17:38.46modocachehaha
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17:48.13carolsserves some tea and coffee
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17:50.18JordiGHcarols: So looks like Melange leaked urls for the accepted orgs a bit early?
17:50.29carolsdid it?
17:50.33carolsis there an issue for it?
17:50.45DaSpiritWoah, it did? Links?
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17:51.05stqism^ this
17:51.13JordiGHWell, who knows if it really did or not. The only evidence I have is that sage got accepted last year and not this year. Their org page for this year 404's, but I assume they applied, since they've been applying every year before.
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17:51.21carolsoh
17:51.27carolsthat's not really evidence of anything :-)
17:51.33stqismDamn
17:51.42JordiGHEr, that Sage's url doesn't 404 this year.
17:51.52carolsyeah, not evidence of anything
17:51.57carolsbut nice shot :-)
17:52.15JordiGHtries to think of other possible rejects.
17:52.15carolsbesides, everything's going to be available in an hour..
17:52.32carolsJordiGH: maybe just have a cup of tea instead?
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17:52.48JordiGHSure, but maybe there's a Melange bug.
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17:53.07JordiGHI don't really care who got accepted or not. This is purely QA.
17:53.20carolscool, then maybe ask the folks in #melange about it?
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17:53.54JordiGHI'll wait for an hour to see if the urls I can see right now and the ones I can't coincide with the orgs that did or didn't get accepted.
17:53.55raksCan a research associate take part in GSOC?
17:54.09stqismraks: As a mentor
17:54.24raksnot as a mentor
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17:54.32raksbut a student
17:54.40n|west_are you a student?
17:54.42DaSpiritAre you a college/university student?
17:54.54carolsraks: does the university consider you a student to the extent they will confer a diploma to you?
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17:55.11raksI ll be a research intern
17:55.21downeyalways wondered about why GSoC isn't under a google.com domain name.
17:55.54Ivanovicraks: the question is still the same: will the university tell google that you are a student?
17:56.08Ivanovicso if you are a grad student you are eligible
17:56.17Ivanovicif you are a "regular" student: you are eligible
17:56.24dom96Ahh, an hour left.
17:56.30Ivanovicif you are not a student: not eligible
17:56.34raksok!
17:56.42raksgot the point, thanks
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17:56.50dom96Time for a cup of tea and Top Gear to make the time go faster :)
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17:58.24stqismdom96: Think that's bad? We're contemplating running a freenode server because of the netsplits
17:58.34stqismIt's worse than waiting
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18:03.03dom96stqism: Won't this be on the website anyway?
18:03.13Ben`is there any list of the organizations that applied?
18:03.22stqismdom96: Yeah
18:03.37stqismBen`: That information isn't released.
18:03.44Ben`ok, thanks
18:03.46dom96I guess the website could go down too if everyone starts refreshing at the same time though.
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18:04.24devenbhooshanthe selected projects will also be visible right ?
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18:04.39stqismYes
18:04.42devenbhooshanor all the projects of the selected organization is are selected ?
18:04.47carolsdevenbhooshan: by "projects" you mean "organizations" right?
18:05.01stqismdevenbhooshan: Everyone must be chosen again.
18:05.13stqismI think. Your question confused me.
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18:05.50carolshi dhans
18:06.02dhanshi carols
18:06.09devenbhooshani want to know all the projects of mentoring organization are selected or not ?
18:06.09carolsdhans: JordiGH thought melange was leaking URLs of accepted orgs
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18:06.25carolsdevenbhooshan: students haven't applied yet, no projects have been selected.
18:06.41dhansJordiGH: how come?
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18:07.26JordiGHdhans: I haven't looked into it in great detail, but I assumed that you could check if this url existed to know if an org was accepted or not: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2014/octave
18:07.38JordiGHAnd I assumed that sage applied and got rejected, so this url 404s: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2014/sage
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18:08.08JordiGHThis could be all wrong. It just looked plausible.
18:08.16stqismJordiGH: Nope, https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2014/tox worked from day 1
18:08.42JordiGHOk, so I guess sage didn't even apply, what a pity.
18:08.50loladirohttps://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2014/sagemath
18:08.52stqismOr they used another name
18:08.53dhanshttps://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2014/sagemath
18:09.00JordiGHAh.
18:09.12JordiGHAlright, so I guess it's all wrong.
18:09.23dhansThankfully :)
18:09.33stqismSorry man, we all still have to wait :P
18:09.47JordiGHstqism: What do you mean, "sorry"? It's great, there's no bug.
18:09.52JordiGHLike I said, I don't care who gets accepted or not.
18:10.01n|westwell, some of us do :-)
18:10.13stqismJordiGH: That was a joke
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18:13.42carolsserves some more tea and coffee
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18:22.27Cadairthanks carols
18:22.39carolsyw Cadair
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18:23.30Cadaircarols, How many org applications did you get? last time I spoke to you you were worried you were getting less
18:23.48stqismIt was around 371 iirc
18:25.11astrofrogmust be difficult to evaluate so many proposals!
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18:25.52Cadairyeah that must take a while
18:25.56Cadairalso hey astrofrog
18:26.10astrofroghi Cadari!
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18:29.24VarunAgw..30 minutes left.
18:29.25VarunAgwIts really exciting
18:29.40stqismVarunAgw: It's the final countdown
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18:29.50[paladin]I agree.
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18:37.11StrangerkeHi everybody
18:37.20downeyhi, Strangerke
18:38.00devenbhooshan22 minutes !! exciting
18:39.09_leroy_21 :)
18:39.21_leroy_20 already :)
18:39.31stqism21 here
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18:40.27unitraxxthe accepted students announcement is more exciting ;) (if you are a student)
18:40.34Palashexactly!!
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18:42.15JordiGHAh, got the emails.
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18:42.36Arthur_Dunitraxx, especially for unbelievers like yourself ;)
18:42.50JordiGHGNU Octave is accepted as a mentoring org.
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18:43.19VarunAgwhttp://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014
18:43.19VarunAgw.
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18:44.01carolsCadair: it was actually 372, but i'm not counting 1 because we had an org that applied twice
18:44.01carolssmiles
18:44.01carolsserves some cookies
18:44.11hiddenpearlsI wish all orgs gets accepted as its GSoC 10th Year :)
18:44.18downeyhappy gsoc, everyone
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18:44.43stqismWe're in :)
18:44.47andrew_szHi, cant wait for the accepted orgs
18:44.55manugupt1Selected :)
18:44.59Cadair:(
18:45.03manugupt1carols: thanks a lot again :)
18:45.10CadairNot this year either :(
18:45.18dom96Rejected :(
18:45.20ollylooks like the emails have started to go out already
18:45.22carolswe accepted more orgs than ever before :-)
18:45.22carolssurely that's pretty good
18:45.22hiddenpearlsand we got rejection email
18:45.22hiddenpearls:(
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18:45.31VarunAgwPage is live too. e the emails have started to go out already
18:45.31VarunAgw<carols> we accepted more orgs than ever before :-)
18:45.31VarunAgw<carols> surely that's pretty go
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18:45.38VarunAgwoops
18:45.41VarunAgwhttp://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014
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18:48.26Cadairthanks carols, feedback is Friday right?
18:48.34andrew_szhmm, there are some very good ideas
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18:48.41carolsCadair: indeed it is. it's mentioned in your email
18:48.50hellercarols: hey! Thanks for the timely email and thanks for being accepted. We are really looking forward to this summer!
18:48.56carolsheller: yw
18:48.58carols:-)
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18:49.03carolshave some tea and cookies.
18:49.04stqismcarols: 20 minutes early :)
18:49.14carolsstqism: seemed silly to make you all keep waiting.
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18:49.25hellercarols: awesome! delicious :D
18:49.32[paladin]carols: nice surprise that,
18:49.48carols[paladin]: what is a surprise?
18:49.49Nilabhra10 more minutes
18:49.57hellercarols: one more question though. How do we know how many student proposals we can accept?
18:50.16carolsheller: there's a whole manual i'd suggest you read if you have questions :-)
18:50.27Nilabhraheller: which project are you mentoring?
18:50.37hellercarols: alright. thanks for the hint
18:50.38neugenscarols, do we need to wait for 28 of feb to get feedback or you could provide me with a spoiler :)
18:50.58carolsneugens: i'm not going to do anything in irc today. i'm happy to respond to emails (later) if you send them to me
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18:51.02hellerNilabhra: https://github.com/STEllAR-GROUP/hpx/wiki/GSoC-2014-Project-Ideas
18:51.08carolsbut i'm not going to make an impromptu irc feedback meeting today.
18:51.10neugenscarols, sure, thanks!
18:51.12carolsonce a year is enough for that
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18:51.46Cadaircarols, yes, yes it is
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18:52.05CadairI was driven over 200 miles last year in less time than that meeting took
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18:54.05devenbhooshan5 minutes :)
18:54.21Nilabhradevenbhooshan: :)
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18:55.11carolsdevenbhooshan: you're welcome to look at the list of orgs now if you like.
18:55.18carolshttp://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014
18:55.25Guest59674so... the list should be released in 5 minutes?
18:55.27Guest59674oh, now!? :D
18:55.30David_Honeynetcongrats to everyone who got accepted, hope you have an excellent summer
18:55.31stqismIt's already out.
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18:56.05_xvilkacarols: now it is completed version? 190 orgs summary?
18:56.10[paladin]carols: so there are 190 orgs this time ?
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18:56.21t4nk409does anyone know there is a loophole there is a trick to see which organizations are accepted in advance?
18:56.26carolsyes, we accepted 190 orgs just as we said we would.
18:56.34samuncleHello everyone :)
18:56.37carolst4nk409: it's already announced...why not just go visit the page?
18:56.46t4nk409Go to http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2014/gnome (replace gnome with any organization. If the page loads, it means the organization is accepted.
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18:56.59carolst4nk409: or just go to http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014 to see the orgs.
18:57.02t4nk409carols: i know, i'll wait.
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18:57.06carolswhy do we need loopholes??
18:57.16n|westt4nk409: that's not true, but the accepted orgs are already published
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18:57.37Arthur_DDavid_Honeynet, I second that, and I also would like to encourage those that didn't make it this year to keep your spirits, you all have excellent projects and keep trying for next year if that becomes an opportunity :)
18:57.43Guest59674YES! :D
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18:58.03t4nk409carols: i found this before the organizations were published. and it did work last night.
18:58.19carolst4nk409: cool, can you please file a bug with dhans?
18:58.29t4nk409carols: ok.
18:58.33carolsthanks
18:58.39saurabhsood91thanks carols and the entire GSoC team from openSUSE :)
18:58.49carolssaurabhsood91: you're welcome
18:58.51t4nk409you're welcome!
18:58.58unitraxxt4nk409: your hack doesn't work, every org that applied had that page available
18:59.06devenbhooshanphpmyadmin :)
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18:59.29t4nk409unitraxx: ok
18:59.34rvraghav93hey ! is simplecv in ?
18:59.43carolsrvraghav93: did you ask them?
19:00.01manikantais osgeo in ?
19:00.09carolsmanikanta: did you ask them?
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19:00.13ishan1604Hi guys The deadline for display of accepted orgs has passed
19:00.17ishan1604when will the info be visible
19:00.20ishan1604on the melange page
19:00.21ishan1604?
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19:01.26*** topic/#gsoc by carols -> Google Summer of Code 2014 mentoring organization applications have been accepted. Please visit http://goo.gl/Qx6xLC for the list. The student application period opens on 10 March. Please check out our timeline for more info: goo.gl/Anraxm
19:01.57slurpeethanks Google for accepting Drupal into GSoC 2014!
19:02.16unitraxxcongratz slurpee ;)
19:02.19carolsyw slurpee
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19:02.36slurpeethanks unitraxx and carols :)
19:02.39slurpeeWe're VERY excited.
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19:06.00*** topic/#gsoc by carols -> Google Summer of Code 2014 mentoring organizations have been announced. Please visit http://goo.gl/Qx6xLC for the list. The student application period opens on 10 March. Please check out our timeline for more info: goo.gl/Anraxm
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19:06.23gevaertssheds tears for the one lost all-gsoc org
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19:08.09new_useris the list updated ?
19:08.22carolsnew_user: it's been up for 8 minutes now...
19:09.39scuttlemonkeycarols: danke shoen!  We're very excited.  Just heard that 2 students are already writing their proposals
19:09.48carolsscuttlemonkey: cool :-)
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19:10.17brlcadhugs carols
19:10.21bliss-sidWhere should we discuss application ideas with mentoring organization?
19:10.34carolsaw
19:10.37brlcadbliss-sid: there's a contact us block on each page
19:10.38carolshugs brlcad
19:10.43brlcadon the right side
19:11.39arvind__carols: So excited! :)
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19:11.55carolsarvind__: i'm glad :-)
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19:12.14parxThanks for giving TimVideos a second year!
19:12.24carolsyw parx
19:12.26parxNow to figure out how to attract strong students to work on video / HMDI2USB...  : )
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19:12.45pancakehey
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19:12.53pancakewhy radare was not accepted?
19:13.09downeyDid anyone else wear their GSoCks today? :D
19:13.13pancakewe are going to organize our own SoC with hookers
19:13.20downey...
19:13.36carolspancake: i'll kick you if you say something like that again
19:13.44carolsthat was distasteful and disrespectful
19:13.50Ivanoviccheers
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19:13.52pancakecarols: that's a quote from Futurama
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19:13.54Ivanovicthe gsoc hoodie is secured!
19:13.56Ivanovic;)
19:13.57carolspancake: i don't care.
19:13.59brlcaddowney:  it's cold here, I wear them most days :)
19:14.05brlcadthey're quite warm
19:14.11pancakeokok, dont be rude, i was just kidding
19:14.25carolspancake: in this case you should assume we absolutely cannot take a joke.
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19:14.27brlcadpancake: there's a meeting on Friday where you can get feedback on why
19:14.37pancakeok
19:14.40Ivanovicbrlcad: hmm, it is february in germany and we had 14 °C today...
19:14.42gevaertspancake: "don't be rude" isn't really the right response here...
19:15.03palash_mittalI am having a great difficulty in finding the right proeject..
19:15.12palash_mittal*project
19:15.18pancakei didnt offended anyone, but I apologized if you felt my comment was improper
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19:15.41pancakecan i have my personal data back?
19:15.43anujdeshpandepalash_mittal: loads of time. it's just been 20 mins ;)
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19:15.58ashepelevpalash_mittal: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014 use reg exp to find
19:16.00gevaertspancake: facually wrong on two accounts. You did not apologise, and you did offend people :)
19:16.05anujdeshpandeno pancakes for breakfast here :)
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19:16.23Nilabhraok that was odd
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19:16.40Nilabhraanyone for cryptostick here?
19:16.46Nilabhra*from
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19:17.44slurpeedowney: I'll admit I'm wearing a legacy gsoc tshirt for good luck today :)
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19:18.14downeycan't believe his colleague suranga_ said his GSoCks were "too good to wear" :)
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19:18.54dirkhhcelebrates quietly...
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19:19.33miikaWhy does a mentor need to agree on Organization Participant Agreement? It really seems the terms are wrong for a mentor (E.g. YOU HAVE FULL LEGAL AUTHORITY TO BIND THE MENTOR ORGANIZATION TO THIS AGREEMENT)
19:19.57carolsmiika: because it's one agreement for everyone.
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19:22.22d3r1ckthis is abnormal increase of channel users
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19:22.31d3r1ckcarols: thanks
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19:22.38carolsd3r1ck: you're welcome.
19:22.39carolsfor what?
19:23.00d3r1ckcarols: for the release of the accepted organisations
19:23.06carolsyou're welcome...
19:23.10_echelon_hi there
19:23.13d3r1ckcarols: so how can my proposal be accepted
19:23.14d3r1ck?
19:23.15carolshi _echelon_
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19:23.23carolsd3r1ck: are you a student?
19:23.30d3r1ckcarols: yes i am.
19:23.41carolsd3r1ck: then you go through the normal application process..
19:23.50ThomasWaldmannwill have more time for own coding this summer
19:23.51d3r1ckcarols: any link for that?
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19:24.14carolsd3r1ck: have you read the FAQs and the student manual?
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19:24.29d3r1ckcarols: the students manual?
19:24.33carolsd3r1ck: indeed.
19:24.39d3r1ckcarols: i have not read the students manual?
19:24.46d3r1ckcarols: any link for that?
19:24.47carolsd3r1ck: then i would recommend you do.
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19:25.00d3r1ckcarols: give me the link for the student manual.
19:25.10carolsd3r1ck: sure, but i'd prefer you said "please"
19:25.12carolshttp://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/
19:25.43d3r1ckcarols: ok please.
19:25.48dirkhhcarols: when I look at my connections in the dashboard I see that I'm the admin for Subsurface
19:25.48dirkhhbut when I click on my organizations, nothing is shown - but according to the manual that's where I can invite my backup admin and the mentors to be part of the organization
19:25.51dirkhhwhat am I missing?
19:26.00carolsdirkhh: dhans can help you
19:26.29dirkhhdhans: I'd appreciate some help ... question is just a few lines above
19:26.34dirkhhthanks carols
19:26.37carolsyw
19:26.55_leroy_What a cool projects! thanks! :)
19:26.57carolsdirkhh: madrazr is also around here and there's #melange too.
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19:27.25dhansdirkhh: you still have "my organizations" tab? sorry, we need to remove it - it is deprecated. you can access connections from connections tab
19:27.31d3r1ckcarols: thanks for the link
19:27.35carolsyw
19:27.43Guest59674:)
19:27.48Guest59674... my nick... :/
19:27.50samunclecarols, I'm from the supertuxkart team and I'm happy that we are accepted
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19:27.56carolssamuncle: great
19:28.00carolswelcome to the irc channel.
19:28.01dirkhhdhans: thanks... I'm just trying to follow the instructions in the manual :-)
19:28.07bliss-sidFirst time to an IRC.....Its quite amazing to see the way everyone interacts
19:28.12ollydhans: i have the empty list too (though it's not really a "tab")
19:28.14carolsthere's some tea around here somewhere...
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19:28.20carolsserves some tea and coffee
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19:28.58slurpeebliss-sid: welcome to IRC :)
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19:29.03dhansdirkhh: olly: yeah, the manual is more than one year old and some parts are outdated, unfortunately :(
19:29.06ollydirkhh: looks like the backup admin is automatically made an admin now
19:29.10madrazrdhans: we should make that a sticky note or something. It is likely that question will come up often :)
19:29.20ollywhich is a nice little improvement
19:29.31dhansolly: indeed :) it works this year
19:29.42ollywhat does "seen by org" mean?
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19:29.56carolsolly: i think the best improvement this year is the fact that this irc channel isn't full of people asking why the list of orgs number is not correct.
19:30.00samunclethanks
19:30.02carolsthat alone is saving my sanity
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19:30.20dhansolly: that you or another organization admin has seen (opened) the connection
19:30.22ollycarols: yeah, that's much better for everyone
19:30.23samuncle^^
19:30.28bliss-sidWell,i have not fixed any real bugs so far....Should i give GSOC a try this year?
19:30.29carolsolly: and means 300 less emails.
19:30.37dhansolly: it might be helpful when more and more people start applying
19:30.39carolsbliss-sid: do you want to give gsoc a try this year?
19:30.42n|westcarols: you're doing great work
19:30.50ollydhans: it's a bit odd that's it's "no" for the original two admins
19:30.52carolsn|west: thanks. i appreciate you saying so.
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19:31.02DaSpiritMy org got rejected :(
19:31.17carolshave some tea, DaSpirit
19:31.28bliss-sidcarols: Yes i do...How should i start....I am really interested..
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19:31.38samuncleand blender is accepted too
19:31.41dhansolly: it is a bit odd indeed... I will note it down
19:31.41carolsbliss-sid: have you read the faqs and the student manual?
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19:32.43bliss-sidcarols: I have and i have also got source code of organization i want to work on for sometime...but have not been able to fix any bugs so far
19:32.50Benzi-Juniorok one slight confusion about the announcement earlier, was it only announcing what organizations where accepted regardless of projects
19:32.57carolsbliss-sid: have you spoken to the org about that?
19:33.16carolsBenzi-Junior: what's confusing? i don't think i understand what the problem is
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19:33.53Jed__Is this program only for advanced programmers? The only programming course I took is an intro to C++ course, but all the projects I've seen so far are so advanced and out of my understanding. Is this program not for people like me?
19:34.01edunhamgovg: try that with a forward slash
19:34.10olly!amigoodenough | Jed__
19:34.10gsocbotJed__: "amigoodenough" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/
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19:35.12DaSpiritWere there any good orgs that got rejected due to lack or room?
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19:35.25carolsDaSpirit: sure, every year there are.
19:35.26carolslots.
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19:35.33DaSpiritWell, darn.
19:35.34Kundacarols: We have a mentor asking us about the part in the agreement that states: "YOU HAVE FULL LEGAL AUTHORITY TO BIND THE MENTOR ORGANIZATION TO THIS AGREEMENT"
19:35.43DaSpiritNow I need to find another org to sell my soul to.
19:35.44bePolitewow
19:35.45Kundawhat does this mean ?
19:35.46carolsKunda: okay, what's the question?
19:35.58Kundacarols ^
19:36.09carolsKunda: it means you have the authority to sign the agreement for yourself...you're not signing it for someone else or under duress
19:36.24carolsand you agree to be legally bound to it.
19:36.44Kundacarols, can you repeat that..i just cleared my screen
19:36.55dirkhholly: dhans: yes, once I found the right link in "Connections" I saw that the backup admin and the first mentors already are listsed
19:36.58carolsKunda: it means you have the authority to sign the agreement for yourself...you're not signing it for someone else or under duress
19:36.59dirkhhautomagical :-)
19:37.15Kundacarols, yes, thank you
19:37.18carolsyw
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19:37.34dirkhhnotices that carols has a 'yw' bot... very useful :-)
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19:37.44carolsdirkhh: do i?
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19:38.27ollydirkhh: she has a special keyboard layout: YWTEACOFFEE
19:38.28dirkhhIt sure looks that way, carols. Or maybe you just have impressively good manners and great ability to immediately respond to every "thanks" :-)
19:38.39dirkhhwants that keyboard
19:38.41carolsdirkhh: it's the latter.
19:38.53dirkhhalso wants coffee (wanders off to get lunch)
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19:39.14ollyjust need xmodmap and an indelible marker
19:39.25Benzi-Juniorcarols: looking through the list of accepted organizations there is no specifications of an accepted project, are the projects only assesed with the student application or ?
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19:39.43carolsBenzi-Junior: specifications? you mean their ideas page?
19:39.45carolsi'm confused.
19:39.50joshwambua_! Next
19:39.51bliss-sid_Anyone else here trying for gsoc the first time?
19:39.56gsocbotjoshwambua_: "next" is accepted orgs will be announced feb 24th 19:00 UTC
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19:41.05unitraxxBenzi-Junior: The projects will be picked, once the student have submitted their applications.
19:41.06ollyBenzi-Junior: "project ideas" are just a source of things you might write a proposal about - it's your proposal which gets acccepted or rejected
19:41.21unitraxxs/student/students
19:41.43Benzi-Juniorunitraxx & olly : ok thanks that cleared things up
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19:43.20palash_mittalbliss-sid_: yeah me..
19:43.26scuttlemonkeycarols: we were looking to engage the Inktank PR agency to spread the word about GSoC. Those things always seem to go further with a quote of some sort. Think we could snag/attribute something from one of you admin-types? :)
19:43.51bliss-sid_palash_mittal: Have u solved any bugs so far?
19:44.04carolsscuttlemonkey: can you please email me?
19:44.16KolibriOS|yogevcarols: On behalf of KolibriOS project, I would like to sincerely thank you and GSoC team for accepting us this year.
19:44.17Palashbliss_sid: me too
19:44.27carolsKolibriOS|yogev: you're welcome
19:44.31User_bliss_sid: me too
19:44.35carolsall 190 of you don't have to individually thank me
19:44.37scuttlemonkeycarols: absolutely, you just carols@google?
19:44.39carolsit would take far too long
19:44.43carolsscuttlemonkey: yes
19:44.53KolibriOS|yogevcarols: Sorry I felt I must :-(
19:44.55carolsjust do a good job with the students, that's thanks enough for me
19:44.59User_bliss_sid: not yet,looking for that
19:45.33Palashbliss_sid: i've been making personal projects!
19:45.33JedAnd 1 of you better accept me. ;)
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19:48.57downeybrews a thank-you pot of tea
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19:49.38KolibriOS|yogevJed: You have to submit the application first. I cannot accept you if you don't submit any application :-)
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19:50.20slurpeeAny other orgs start to become nervous ~1.5 hours ago?
19:51.10stqismslurpee: Who didn't?
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19:53.50Ivanoviccarols: is there a logo/icon somewhere which we can use in our "we got accepted" celebration news entry?
19:54.06carolsIvanovic: the gsoc 2014 logo doesn't work for you
19:54.07carols?
19:54.10tkamppeterHi, I need help for the Linux Foundation (lf). On my Dashboard under "My Organizations" there is no organization listed, so I cannot get to the profile this way. Following the link in the e-mail of being accepted I get to the input form of the org application, no fields for an address or so.
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19:54.22Ivanoviccarols: where is it? in the past there were different versions
19:54.33brlcadcarols: so statistics for this year?  how many applied vs accepted?
19:54.51carolsbrlcad: 371 applied (actually 372, but one org applied twice, so i'm not counting it) and 190 accepted
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19:55.00carolsIvanovic: https://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/GsocLogos
19:55.05Ivanovicthanks!
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19:55.17cryosis very pleased that VTK was accepted this year, looking forward to a great summer of code!
19:55.26_leroy_Sooo... Now students can discuss projects with orgs and apply for projects they are interested in?
19:55.45Palash_leroy_: yeah!
19:55.45carols_leroy_: sure. you could do that before too.
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19:56.10d3r1ckcarols: can i have some tea?
19:56.18carolsd3r1ck: sure, help yourself
19:56.31d3r1ckcarols: ok thanks
19:56.37carolsyw
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19:59.49carolstkamppeter: madrazr or dhans can help you
20:00.01carolstkamppeter: or #melange
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20:01.12tkamppetercarols, thank you very much.
20:01.25carolsyw
20:02.00madrazrtkamppeter: give me a moment, let me get back to you. I am checking something
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20:02.46tkamppetermadrazr, OK.
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20:07.10madrazrtkamppeter: multiple things
20:07.53madrazrtkamppeter: 1. "My Organizations" link is deprecated. It should have been removed already but as we realized from a question from one of the org admins earlier that it is still hanging in there
20:08.12madrazrtkamppeter: the current way of reaching the organization profile edit form is to go to "Managed Organizations" and choosing the organization there
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20:08.23sumanahOh I'm looking through the GSoC mentoring orgs list now! 45 new orgs!
20:08.33carolssumanah: nice, huh?
20:08.36downey:-)
20:08.38carolsi'm really proud of that this year.
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20:09.38sumanahcarols: :) I know that y'all will probably be blogging about those new orgs and I look forward to reading about those.
20:09.50carolssumanah: assuming they submit posts to us ;)
20:09.54madrazrtkamppeter: 2. We don't collect the organization address right now
20:10.01tkamppetermadrazr, I went there, but I get exactly the fields of the org applications, nothing to fill in anm address or so.
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20:10.03carolsit's like pulling teeth getting folks to submit blog posts sometimes..
20:10.20madrazrtkamppeter: did any of the emails to you suggest that you need to provide the organization address?
20:11.34slurpeeReviewing the list of accepted orgs is fun. So many cool interesting projects. Wish I was a student!
20:11.58tkamppetermadrazr, there was a link in the mail pointing to http://en.flossmanuals.net/melange/org-application-period/ and asking to look in the section "Our Organization was accepted! How do I create my organization homepage?". There was talked about an address.
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20:12.14sumanahcarols: thank y'all, once more, for the pre-made presentation template. I used it on Friday and it made a GSoC info session far easier to do.
20:12.34carolssumanah: wonderful. you're welcome. i'm glad it helped. and thanks for doing a gsoc info session :-)
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20:13.18sumanahcarols: have you been one of the people going on the GSoC countries world tour? :) (10 countries, right?)
20:13.24PalashI'm a student here and I'm applying GSOC for the first time. Can anyone here guide me? I'm interested in web development and Django! any help would be appreciated :)
20:13.33sumanahHi Palash, welcome.
20:13.35carolssumanah: i have. i went to romania, poland and australia
20:13.49stqismcarols: Curious, submitted my preferences, when do we learn how many students we'll get? Can't really start our internal mentor selection process without knowing :P
20:14.00carolsstqism: have you looked at the timeline?
20:14.19sumanahcarols: oh neat, I have never been to Romania or Poland. If there are any new insights/lessons learned (from the tour) about GSoC, I'd love to hear them
20:14.20tkamppetermadrazr, now I see that the LF is already visible under the accepted orgs (when clicking big red "Start Connection" button on home page).
20:14.21stqismcarols: Yes, though I won't admit to doing so in detail
20:14.24JordiGHPalash: I'd like some help finishing Agora: http://wiki.octave.org/Summer_of_Code_Project_Ideas#Finish_the_Agora_website
20:14.39sumanahPalash: so, it's great that you already know some things you're interested in :)
20:14.41JordiGHPalash: Or fixing Savannah: https://savannah.gnu.org/
20:14.54carolssumanah: the romanians were super excited we were there. :-) the australians still wanted to know why gsoc is on the wrong schedule
20:15.08madrazrtkamppeter: sorry about that, the manual is a little obsolete at this point. We have had quite a lot of changes very recently to the way organization applications and home page creation works.
20:15.10Jed__Only took an intro to C++ programming course, don't have a background in computer science. If any organization has projects for someone with my beginner level experience, please post your ideas page. ;)
20:15.12sumanahPalash: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014 lets you look at a lot of organizations by "tag" which might include "django" or "python" or "web" :)
20:15.21madrazrtkamppeter: it was all to make the org home page creation smoother and automatic
20:15.23stqismApril ;-;
20:15.44Palashsumanah: I'd be glad to help you out
20:15.51madrazrtkamppeter: there is too much activity and recent changes, our manual is struggling to keep up with it
20:15.53tkamppetermadrazr, so then is all OK for me and no further action required?
20:15.54sumanahcarols: Got it :)
20:15.55madrazrtkamppeter: sorry about that though
20:16.07PalashJordiGH: I'd be glad to help you out :)
20:16.15carolssumanah: it didn't get us more org apps this year, which is kind of a shame
20:16.16sumanahHi Jed__! Welcome. :)
20:16.41Jed__Hi sumanah.
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20:16.43madrazrtkamppeter: yes! If your org appears in the public list of accepted orgs, from there if you can navigate to your org's home page and be able to click on ideas page and go to it, then all good
20:16.45Palashsumanah: I've seen the organizations who have Django !
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20:17.41sumanahPalash: great! You should go ahead and start looking at those. Have you ever tried to look at an open source community before? http://blog.melchua.com/2010/10/08/possesa-fri-5-minutes-of-improvisation/ gives you an idea of one way to look at an open source project to see whether it's someplace you want to contribute to
20:17.57kfogelremembers the link sumanah pointed at
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20:18.28sumanahJed__: Have you already looked for "c++" in the tags at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014 ? That's one place to start
20:18.45sumanah(hi kfogel. :) which organisations are you affiliated with that are mentoring for GSoC this year?)
20:18.54Hamish_typo_mobanyone know what happened to http://www.booki.cc/gsoc-mentoring/ ?  (http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCMentoring/ is still ok)
20:20.00carolsHamish_typo_mob: that's a question for the floss manuals folks
20:20.01carolsHamish_typo_mob: they changed their URLs at some point
20:20.03User_hi when selecting org to which i have to give priority for intrest or knowledge(which i know)??
20:20.20Jed__<PROTECTED>
20:21.09carolsbrlcad: you around?
20:21.18madrazrbrlcad: HI
20:21.22madrazroops, sorry
20:21.24madrazrHi
20:21.26stqismJed__: What have you been looking at? :P
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20:21.56sumanahJed__: I understand :)  Jed__ I'm not sure whether this particular set of developers is ready to mentor, but you should take a look at this mailing list post http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2014-February/074658.html If you can talk with those developers and come up with a project idea they would be interested in mentoring, then Wikimedia could be the mentoring organization
20:22.34sumanahcarols: I'll try to encourage more orgs to apply next year.
20:22.35Palashsumanah: Your link has helped me tremendously! I shall contribute something to the Open Source Community tonight !!
20:22.42sumanahPalash: :D that's wonderful to hear.
20:22.47kblinkfogel: hey there, haven't seen you around in a while :)
20:23.01carolssumanah: fair enough. i just thought that our efforts at outreach this year would be more directly applicable, but i guess not...
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20:23.58sumanahcarols: I could speculate on things that stop orgs from applying and on how to get more apps, if you want, but it's probably mostly stuff you've thought of
20:24.12carolssumanah: sure. maybe a discussion to have offline.
20:24.18sumanahOK.
20:24.22carolsor at the mentor summit-student reunion this year.
20:24.26carolsif you come.
20:24.34Jed__stqism: various orgs like KDE to see if I could find something I can do with my level of knowledge. All projects I've seen so far are beyond me, so I likely won't be participating.
20:24.52stqismJed__: Hey, don't led that discourage you.
20:24.53Jed__Not a computer science student, so I lack a lot of fundamental knowledge
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20:25.06stqismJed__: First and foremost, believe in your own ability.
20:25.16sumanahcarols: I will consider coming! I have recently been trying to offer that kind of travel opportunity to other people who could use it for career growth/networking better than I can, but this year I'll consider it if I think I have stuff to contribute
20:25.23Jed__sumanah: thanks, I'll see.
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20:28.11Palashsumanah: I had a doubt! Do the students who don't solve bugs get selected in GSOC?
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20:29.13kblinbiojavascript?
20:29.14downeysumanah: I'd like to hear that talk, too :)
20:29.18kblinooooooh
20:30.19kfogelhey, kblin, hey sumanah
20:30.25kfogelsumanah: http://archesproject.org/
20:30.41tkamppetermadrazr, yes, this all works, I tried it with another browser (where I am not logged in) now, so visitors are seeing our offer. Thank you very much!
20:30.52kblinoh, cool, OBF also made it this year
20:30.53kblinawesome
20:31.16madrazrtkamppeter: cool! Congratz on making it to GSoC 2014!
20:31.20madrazrtkamppeter: np
20:31.30madrazrkblin: Ah! I caught you :P
20:31.33sumanahHi! Sorry, was distracted by talking about reaching out across economic class lines to help people get empowered with open source
20:31.41sumanah(in a face-to-face chat)
20:31.42tkamppetermadrazr, thanks.
20:31.44madrazrcarols or kblin: Do you happen to know where is this channel logged?
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20:31.55olly!logs | madrazr
20:31.55gsocbotmadrazr: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/
20:32.03carolswhat olly said
20:32.05madrazrolly: awesome! thanks!
20:32.08madrazrcarols: thanks!
20:32.10rvraghav93sumanah: hi
20:32.12ollymadrazr: logs only appear midnight UTC though
20:32.13sumanahdowney: which talk? talking with Palash about whether students get picked if they haven't fixed any bugs yet?
20:32.21ollyand infobot was offline for some of the last day
20:32.28madrazrolly: ah, that's sad
20:32.30ollywhich we think is what records the logs
20:32.39sumanahPalash: so, it does increase your chance of being selected if you fix a bug by the proposal deadline
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20:32.41downeysumanah: The "wary orgs" talk
20:32.49stqismsumanah: That's up to an org
20:32.49sumanahrvraghav93: Hi there!
20:32.56rvraghav93sumanah: I know py and cpp well but frankly am new to open source ... just trying out a few stuff .. so can you suggest me a gud org??
20:33.01sumanahstqism: yes, you're quite right.
20:33.11kblinmadrazr: is is something you said recently? :)
20:33.17sumanahdowney: got it :)
20:33.20rvraghav93thot of sympy ... but it intimidates me :?
20:33.22Cervator_Question - the meeting for rejected orgs on Friday (much sadness) - will that be able to reveal the exact reason for rejection, such as "simply not enough space" or "project not noteworthy" or just provide general guidance if something like an ideas page was simply lacking? I ask as we had our ideas page reviewed here and all appeared well, so I'm not sure what to improve for 2015 :-(
20:33.33Palashsumanah: Thanks for the tip! I'd be happy to help !!
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20:33.40sumanahrvraghav93: Can you talk about what specifically intimidates you?
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20:33.41stqismrvraghav93: I recommend finding something you like on http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014
20:33.46sumanah(about SymPy)
20:33.56kblinCervator_: in the past it was very specific
20:34.10carolsCervator_: yes, we reveal the exact reason. whether that reason is satisfactory to you i cannot guarantee
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20:34.16rvraghav93as in its full of math :P im much into coding and stuff ... the level of math is too high there ...
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20:34.24rvraghav93sumanah: ^
20:34.26Cervator_Thanks - that's what I was hoping :-)
20:34.32madrazrkblin: what did I say recently? Or is that an expression? :P
20:34.48stqismrvraghav93: Compsci is generally math :P
20:34.49sumanahrvraghav93: Ah, I understand. What open source tools do you currently use? Have you looked to see whether any of them are mentoring this year?
20:35.31tierraolly: wx made it in this year :)
20:35.35rvraghav93sumanah: i gave 2 bugfixes to simplecv ... unfortunately they arent taking part :/
20:35.49kblinmadrazr: you said "ah, I caught you" and then asked about the logs
20:35.58rvraghav93stqism: hah ! but that sympy is scientific freaky kinda math :P
20:36.05ollytierra: I saw, congratulations
20:36.08carolsmadrazr: did you get brlcad on the line?
20:36.10sumanahrvraghav93: by the way, have you already read http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch005_choosing-an-organization/ ?
20:36.26ollytierra: don't get distracted from 3.0.1 though
20:36.29rvraghav93nope ... will do thanks for pointin out !
20:36.31madrazrbrlcad: no, not yet. Looks like he is away
20:36.36tierrahehe, certainly
20:36.45kblinmadrazr: so I thought you asked me something before and wanted to recall the specifics
20:36.45ollythough it mostly seems to be OS X bugs left
20:36.47sumanahrvraghav93: the whole "book" that includes that page is a very good guide.
20:36.58madrazroops carols I mean
20:37.02madrazrcarols: no, not yet. Looks like he is away
20:37.09carolsok, that's fine
20:37.50madrazrcarols: I will wait for a bit more and if we don't see brlcad online we will probably send an email
20:38.01carolsmadrazr: sure, works for me
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20:38.09kblinaw, it looks like org "a" didn't make it
20:38.10sumanahBy the way, rvraghav93, Palash, stqism, I'm Sumana Harihareswara. I work for the Wikimedia Foundation, which is one of the mentoring organisations this year. I live in New York City. :)
20:38.17sumanah(introduce yourself?)
20:38.25madrazrkblin: ah no, I was waiting to see you active to ask that question
20:38.38olasdso, um, I want my mentors to register on melange early (for once). what should I have them do, I haven't seen detailed instructions go by
20:38.40kblinmadrazr: ah, fair enough
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20:39.11olasdAIUI the first step after you log in is to create a user profile, and then you can connect to the organization?
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20:40.34Palashsumanah: I know wikimedia. I've heard about it. Isn't it the one powering wikipedia? I'd love to learn more in that aspect!
20:40.52stqismsumanah: Okay, I'm Sean, a project lead for Project Tox, dealing with financial, legal, operations, temp pr, and I'm one of our speakers. Based out of Southern California.
20:40.56carolsolasd: you should speak to madrazr
20:41.01stqismPalash: ^^
20:41.10sumanahPalash: oh I'm glad you've heard of us! Yes, we are the organization behind Wikipedia. I don't want to take up this channel here to talk about me/us, but in #mediawiki we can talk
20:41.25rvraghav93sumanah: Im Raghav R V , a pre final year student with electronics as my major aspiring to participate in gsoc... Im gud at py and cpp and a linux maniac too , to introduce myself ...
20:41.49Jed__Only need to know HTML, CSS, and JavaScript. I think I found the first project I'm going to apply for. ;)
20:41.57sumanah:)
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20:42.22sumanahGood to meet you all :)
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20:43.11sumanahstqism: Just looking at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2014/tox now. A FLOSS alternative to Skype - great!
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20:43.34madrazrolasd: same URL as the one you used to create your personal profile on Melange - http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/profile/register/org_member/google/gsoc2014
20:43.38Palashstqism: :)
20:43.43madrazrolasd: they can go and create a profile there
20:44.08madrazrolasd: however, you have to invite them to become mentors of your organizations so that you can assign student proposals to the mentors
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20:44.42olasdok
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20:45.57kblinmadrazr: ok, I'm a bit confused myself this time around. if I also want to mentor, do I need to request a role from myself?
20:46.00madrazrolasd: for that you can use the "Connect users with <your org name>" link under "Connections" on your dashboard to invite your mentors to be mentors of your orgnanization
20:46.01stqismsumanah: Thanks :) really don't want to spam #gsoc though
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20:46.27sumanahstqism: I don't think any of us do :)
20:46.28madrazrolasd: alternatively, they can click on "Connect with organizations" link to request to become mentors for your organization
20:46.33madrazrolasd: either works
20:46.46olasdmadrazr: perfect, thanks
20:46.49madrazrkblin: all org admins are mentors, so no
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20:47.29olasd(http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/connection/start/user/google/gsoc2014/<org short name> would be the link for a mentor to request a connection with the org, afaict)
20:47.38madrazrkblin: if you see this behavior to be erratic, please let us know. There might be some rough edges since profiles went through a lot of rework recently
20:47.58kblinmadrazr: ok, just like in the past years. I forgot if I was supposed to see anything in "my organisations" or not
20:48.06nwinterHow can I find out how many student proposals we'll be allowed to accept?
20:48.16carolsnwinter: you wait until slot allocations.
20:48.20kblinnwinter: are you a new org?
20:48.30nwinterYes (CodeCombat).
20:48.41kblinwelcome, and awesome!
20:48.43madrazrolasd: correct, except <org short name> should be <org id>
20:49.04olasdright, right
20:49.08nwinterThanks! We're excited, and a bunch of students are already swarming our chat room.
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20:49.46madrazrkblin: "My organizations" is deprecated now, we were supposed to remove the link altogether but it has not happened
20:49.48kblinnwinter: so, with the disclaimer that despite having ops in this channel I'm in no way involved in rnning gsoc, new orgs in the past year only got very few slots (usually 2, iirc)
20:50.06kblinmadrazr: ok, fair enough :)
20:50.13madrazrkblin: the latest and the greatest way to access all your org related things in Melange now is through "Managed Organizations"
20:50.30madrazr:D
20:50.45kblinyeah, I found that
20:50.57madrazrkblin: cool!
20:51.23carolsnwinter: you can also read this in the meanwhile: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/studentallocations
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20:52.00kblin!slots
20:52.00gsocbotkblin: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations
20:52.12carolsthanks kblin
20:52.21carolswe should have you on the payroll ;-)
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20:53.19kblincarols: perhaps I should pitch google on doing some cool biotech research ;)
20:53.39nwinterAh, thanks for the info–that's exactly what I missed when looking for it.
20:53.51carolskblin: there's so much biotech in gsoc this year!
20:53.51carolsit's crazy.
20:53.59kblincarols: I saw, yes
20:54.04Ivanovickblin: are you participating in gsoc this year?
20:54.09kblinIvanovic: totally
20:54.14Ivanoviccool!
20:54.17Ivanovicwhich org(s)
20:54.22kblinI've also blocked some vacation for the mentor summit :)
20:54.32sumanahYay biotech!
20:54.35carolskblin: i wish i could block some vacation for the mentor summit
20:55.03kblinIvanovic: same old, actually. Samba and WF
20:55.07nwinterIs there a guideline for a rough ratio of student proposals to acceptances that we can expect?
20:55.23kblinnwinter: uh, tough one
20:55.24JordiGH!numbers
20:55.27carolsnwinter: nope. do you know how many proposals you're going to get? :-)
20:55.31carolsnwinter: i sure don't
20:55.33JordiGHHey, where's that bot thing?
20:55.35olly!numapps
20:55.35gsocbotolly: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 orgs and 1212 of 6685 proposals (by 4258 students) were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs and 1116 of 5474 proposals (by 3731 students) were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs and 1026 of 5539 propsals (by 3464 students) were accepted.
20:56.25kblinnwinter: you're hitting a lot of the buzzwords, I guess you'll get a good number of applications
20:56.35ollyit seems a lot of students start at the top of the list, so I expect if you're AerospaceResearch.Net you'll get more than average
20:56.48ollyand probably lower quality that average
20:56.51Beornwulflooks at the timings, realises that the student part starts straight after easter, so clashes with the summer term and exams. not sure how much of an issue that will be?
20:56.53kblin!forget slots 2
20:56.54gsocbotkblin: "slots" is Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2.
20:57.19kblin!learn slots as http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/studentallocations
20:57.20gsocbotkblin: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/studentallocations
20:57.47carolsBeornwulf: a great question to ask the potential mentoring organization
20:57.51JordiGHI wonder if 1 or 2 slots would be non-crazy for Octave, since we had 8 last year under GNU.
20:57.59JordiGHBut I want to focus back down to 4 this year.
20:57.59kblinBeornwulf: that's traditionally the case, and hasn't been too much of a problem in the past years
20:58.03Beornwulfcarols: that makes sense, thanks
20:58.06carolsyw
20:58.20Beornwulfkblin: good to hear, thanks
20:58.38carolsJordiGH: 1 or 2 slots is never crazy. more than 2 slots is when we start to think harder about it.
20:58.50JordiGHcarols: Even if we had more sluts under GNU?
20:58.53JordiGHslots
20:58.54JordiGHslots, dammit
20:58.58nwinterI think we could get a ton of applications, especially if we write a blog post encouraging CodeCombat people to apply.
20:59.03JordiGHblushes
20:59.04JordiGHSorry...
20:59.09carolsJordiGH: we'll think about it. it's a balancing game with the other 189 orgs.
20:59.15carolsJordiGH: it's fine, it was a typo.
20:59.47carolsJordiGH: but we've got 1,333 slots to give out this year..
20:59.49carolsso who knows
21:00.12Jed__lol JordiGH
21:00.29JordiGHcarols: What, where did the other 4 slots go?
21:00.32stqismAbout 7 slots to give? Odd
21:00.39carolsJordiGH: what?
21:00.53carolsis confused
21:00.55downey1337
21:00.56blast007a 1337 joke ;)
21:00.58JordiGHcarols: Y'know...
21:01.01stqism;-;
21:01.01carolsi see.
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21:01.09gevaertswould have expected 1333.333... slots :)
21:01.10carolsyou're going to have to serve more coffee to do jokes like that
21:01.16nwinterI'll make sure to emphasize that it'll probably be very competitive, then.
21:01.39carolsnwinter: better for your org :-)
21:01.40downeygsoc should run 1338 slots, to be one more than leet
21:01.47ollyso 10/0.0075 student places I guess
21:03.07kblingevaerts: want to mentor 1/3 of a student?
21:03.21wkoszekcarols: Hi Carol. I'm FreeBSD project mentor. We'd like to send some FreeBSD+GSOC posters to universities, just like the last year. We don't need any permission to do that, right?
21:03.27gevaertskblin: depends. Is it the part with the brain in it? :)
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21:03.39carolswkoszek: are you modifying the logo in any way or making money from the posters?
21:04.08Jed__I've opened and closed the ideas pages for almost all the organizations now.
21:04.24sumanahWow!
21:04.35sumanahJed__: maybe you should write up a blog post reviewing the ones you liked best :)
21:04.43wkoszekcarols: We're making our own poster with GSOC logo unmodified + FreeBSD logo on the same A4 page. No money is made on that. We just send PDFs to secretaries in hope they forward it to students/print and stick the posters to univ. door.
21:04.54carolswkoszek: then no, you don't need permission
21:05.01carolswkoszek: you can also just use our flyers too..
21:05.04carolsjust an idea.
21:05.09carolswhatever works for you.
21:05.23wkoszekcarols: Sure. We were thinking about that too.
21:05.28carolswkoszek: great
21:05.32carolsthen you're off to the races
21:05.38carolsgo forth and spread the word about gsoc
21:06.06wkoszekYeah. Last time I sent some stuff to Stanford, they insisted on contacting you and I remember I made us send a lot of emails to figure it out.
21:06.14wkoszekThis year I'd like it to be better.
21:06.24carolswkoszek: i appreciate that everyone's worried about doing the Right Thing :-)
21:07.01wkoszekcarols: Figuring out problems later via e-mail is harder.
21:07.02gevaertsThe Right Thing is obviously to relax with a cup of tea
21:07.10carolswkoszek: indeed
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21:07.56kblincarols: while we all think that you certainly deserve your vacation, we're all trying to make you less desperate in need of one ;)
21:07.57downeytakes a cup of the Right Thing
21:08.11carolskblin: i appreciate that :-)
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21:09.45kblincompletely unrelated, I need a bit of cultural advice from an indian person, is there somebody who could /query me for a quick chat?
21:09.59sumanahkblin: I'm Indian-American, happy to help
21:10.13kblingreat, thanks :)
21:10.19sumanahbut others should feel free to help if they are sourcelanders :) and not diaspora like me
21:10.39Jed__if an organization is rejected, is it possible to still submit a proposal through google's "open source programs office"?
21:10.53carolsJed__: um, no...the ospo isn't for orgs
21:10.57carolsit's for students
21:11.19Jed__carols: I mean is it possible for students to submit a proposal for any open source organization?
21:12.17stqismJed__: Any org that applied
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21:12.48ollyJed__: the OSPO org only accepts a handful of students each year, so it's a more difficult route not an easier one
21:12.53anth_x….and was accepted.
21:12.54carolsJed__: sure, of course..
21:12.54carolsyou choose who you want to work with
21:12.54carolsbut keep in mind ospo is a very special case
21:12.54carolsJed__: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#16._What_if_there_is_no_organization
21:13.27Jed__Ok, thanks. carols, olly, stqism
21:13.33carolsyw
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21:18.15carolsserves some more tea and coffee
21:19.27warthog9mmmm tea
21:19.32carolshey warthog9
21:19.36carolslong time no see
21:19.37warthog9waves
21:19.58warthog9yup, been busy
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21:20.10carolsme too
21:20.11warthog9building bridges, checking k-9 out now that he's home
21:20.23carolsis he napping ?:-)
21:20.26downeyk-9 needs an IRC presence
21:20.30warthog9right now, yes
21:20.35carols:-)
21:20.48warthog9downey: hmmmm shouldn't be too hard
21:20.58downeywarthog9: would give gsocbot a run for its money
21:21.19warthog9downey: very true!
21:21.59warthog9there's even been talk of a 1/2 size version called P(uppy)-9
21:22.14warthog9I.E. easier to tote around the world
21:22.41sumanahoh hi Nightrose - which org(s) are you adminning this year?
21:22.53Nightrosesumanah: hey :)  kde again
21:22.56Nightroseof course! :P
21:23.03kshitij8_kblin: did you get the cultural advice you were looking for?
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21:25.01sumanahNightrose: I recommended http://open-advice.org/ again today :) thanks again for making it happen
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21:25.20kblinkshitij8_: yes, thanks
21:25.22Nightrosesumanah: yay \o/  so happy to see it still getting used
21:25.45kshitij8_:)
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21:34.12irish32hi! in the GNU project homepage, there are many organizations - are all of them participating in gsoc this year?
21:34.40carolsirish32: they're providing an umbrella for those orgs, most likely
21:34.45carolsirish32: did you ask them about it?
21:35.13wkoszekCan I check how many slots each org got?
21:35.15kblinsumanah: thanks, most helpful :)
21:35.22carolswkoszek: no. but i'll tell you why.
21:35.27carolswkoszek: because no one knows yet.
21:35.37wkoszekcarols: OK.
21:35.38kblinwkoszek: sure, just wait until the accepted students are announced
21:35.49irish32no, i haven't made contact with them yet.
21:36.00carolsirish32: that would be a good first step.
21:36.12sumanahI'm very glad to help, kblin :)
21:36.18wkoszekAh. It's that we accept students first based on the applications quality and then we know how many slots we got.
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21:36.59kblin!slots | wkoszek
21:36.59gsocbotwkoszek: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/studentallocations
21:37.23stqismCool, accepted 2 and a half hours ago, had 7 students contact me.
21:37.33carolskblin: i get the impression that us doing slot allocations after students apply is confusing to people.
21:38.26kblinwkoszek: but yes, you provide a sorted list to google, google decides how many slots you get, the top n students are accepted
21:38.29irish32i sometimes feel a bit hesitant to ask directly on their irc. it sometimes feels its all only about the money.
21:38.33kblinactually it's a bit more complex than that
21:38.42kblinbut the gist is like that
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21:39.11sumanahirish32: Do you mean you feel hesitant to give the impression that you are particularly interested in the GSoC stipend?
21:39.37kblinirish32: well, money does buy food and the like, that's good :)
21:39.53meflinand tea dont forget the tea
21:39.58carolsirish32: we like you being able to eat while you code :-)
21:40.07kblintea you can get here
21:40.17Jed__if you don't want it, donate to charity ;)
21:40.32ollycarols: it is, though I'm not sure you could sensibly allocate slots before knowing where students were applying
21:40.51carolsolly: i agree.
21:41.02sumanahirish32: I think there are also some people who prefer GSoC because they want a structured and mentored onramp into open source contribution. And that is completely fine. We all learn in different ways
21:41.20kblincarols: what olly said, what use is having 15 slots available if we only have 3 good proposals
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21:41.35gevaertsirish32: actually, if you look at the gnu ideas list, it has a list of projects that take part
21:41.38carolskblin: again, i agree. but it seems like the process is confusing to people nonetheless?
21:41.59kblinactually that might also pressure people in accepting more half-baked proposals
21:42.19irish32@sumanah basically yes. i like coding and i like money too :), but i don't want to be in it only for the money.
21:42.25ollykblin: i was wondering the same
21:42.35Jed__I wish we could do more than 5 proposals
21:42.42kblincarols: I think confusion is the basic state of consciousness
21:42.43sumanahirish32: That totally seems reasonable to me. :)
21:42.46kblinJed__: nah
21:43.02kblinJed__: I doubt you can do 5 proper ones :)
21:43.03ollyi'd hope most people did the right thing and returned them to the pool but then the final slot allocations would end be far from the initial ones, so the intial one wouldn't be very useful anyway
21:43.21kblinJed__: and by you, I don't mean you personally, but people in general
21:44.45ollythough we're in a situation where we're likely to be limited by available mentors rather than slots, so not knowing doesn't affect us as much as some orgs
21:45.21carolskblin: oh, how true it is.
21:45.22carolsolly: they do, and do you know how you know?
21:45.22carolsolly: because the last few years we've accepted less students than we had total slots availabile
21:45.24kblincarols: If I come up with a less confusing approach, I'm happy to share.
21:45.36scuttlemonkeycarols: regarding slot allocation...would it be too confusing to privately subsidize additional slots after the google-sponsored ones have been decided? Or should that be done completely outside of GSoC?
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21:45.57carolsscuttlemonkey: that is completely outside of gsoc, i have nothing to do with that
21:45.58kblinscuttlemonkey: usually you'd do that outside of gsoc
21:46.04carolsshudders at the idea of more administration
21:46.11carolskblin: much appreciated.
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21:46.50ollycarols: that's interesting (and reassuring)
21:46.52gevaertsscuttlemonkey: of course, if you run a proper gsoc-like program, you're expected to send carols a pair of new-program-themed socks
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21:47.10carolsolly: yeah, the last 3 years we've had 1,250 spaces, but we've accepted less than that
21:47.18carolswhat gevaerts said
21:47.21scuttlemonkeyhaha, fair enough...perhaps some nice squid socks compelte with tentacles and teabag holsters
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21:47.41kblinscuttlemonkey: you're with ceph?
21:47.54scuttlemonkeykblin: that's me :)
21:48.01kblincool :)
21:48.03techietimcarols: is the reason for not filling all the slots due to inadequate student proposals?
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21:48.13carolstechietim: yes
21:48.15kblinthat's what I love about gsoc
21:48.22ollyheh, I'd assumed the 1212 last year was deliberately picked as a "nice" number
21:48.25kblinall these really cool projects around
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21:48.43carolsolly: nope, that was the amount of good student proposals we ended up having out of 1,250
21:49.05ollyor at least ones which the org had mentors available for
21:49.08scorche|shwell, that isnt to say that if you were turned down, you werent good  =)
21:49.23scorche|shthis is on a per-organization basis, of course  ;)
21:49.29carolswhat scorche|sh said
21:49.31kblinwhat olly and scorche|sh said
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21:50.09kblinI remember years where I had seven great applications, all for the same project idea
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21:52.36sumanah(hi bkuhn, always glad to see you)
21:52.58bkuhngreetings sumanah
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21:56.35kblinahoi bkuhn
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21:59.50bkuhn:)
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22:00.56carolsbkuhn and kfogel in gsoc this year
22:01.04carolsdon't know if i've seen that happen before :-)
22:01.18bkuhnI certainly haven't been a mentor since the very first few years.
22:01.23bkuhnI only actually mentored once before.
22:01.30bkuhnthis will be just my second time mentoring.
22:01.40carolsbkuhn: congrats on getting into gsoc :-)
22:01.46kfogelcarols: it's been a while for me too
22:01.51bkuhncarols: thanks!
22:02.06carolskfogel: congrats to you as well :-)
22:02.11kfogelcarols: though to be fair, I'm more "meta-mentoring" this year; that is, I'm helping the real devs on the Arches Project be mentors, though I think they don't need as much help as they think they need.
22:02.19kfogelcarols:  thank you
22:02.32carolskfogel: but the real question everyone wants to know is..
22:02.36carolscan we get gsoc 2014 suspenders made?
22:02.39kfogelcarols: HAH
22:02.44bkuhnis usually a meta-mentor.
22:02.46bkuhnthat's my MO.
22:02.47kfogelcarols: If you make 'em, I'll buy 'em.
22:02.53bkuhnI actually call myself a "meta-org-admin"
22:02.59carolskfogel: i wouldn't sell them, it'd just be for fun :-)
22:03.04bkuhnI even tried to convince this status to be created in Melange once.
22:03.07kfogelbkuhn: one who meta-admins orgs, or one who admins meta-orgs? :-)
22:03.10carolsbkuhn: you play the meta-org-admin role most years
22:03.16bkuhnTrue.
22:03.25bkuhnkfogel: well, most Conservancy projects apply on their own, have their own org-admin.
22:03.34bkuhnI usually wrangle the org-admins.
22:03.50bkuhnSo I guess meta- is wrong.  org-admin-admin is probably right.
22:03.51bkuhnBut this year.
22:03.59bkuhnIn addition to that, I'm a Real Mentor again.
22:04.13carolsbkuhn: you've got one up on me. i've never been a Real Mentor.
22:04.15kblinhehe, congrats
22:04.17Slurpeebackup-meta-org-admin?
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22:04.48kblincarols: in return, you get to wrangle the most org admins
22:04.53bkuhnGeppetto, I'm a real boy this year!
22:05.01carolskblin: it's a tough job but somebody's gotta do it.
22:05.09carolsbkuhn: haha
22:05.48kblincarols: I remember sombeody saying "best job at google" ;)
22:06.10carolskblin: i do have the best job at google. but wrangling org admins is still difficult
22:06.17carolsgood jobs can still be challenging.
22:06.32kblinfair enough :)
22:06.43kblinI think all good jobs are
22:06.50carolsagreed.
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22:07.48carolsmaybe i'll take suggestions on where my vacation after the mentor summit should be this year.
22:08.04gevaertsEasy
22:08.06gevaertsZurich!
22:08.19carolsgevaerts: in october? won't it be cold?
22:08.25carolsnovember, really
22:08.35gevaertsOh, right! I forgot :)
22:08.56carolsi'm thinking somewhere warm
22:09.03carolsmaybe hawaii.
22:09.09kblinbut 11 hours less of a plane ride...
22:09.25downeycarols: shameless plug for florida
22:09.28meflinSanta Fe / ABQ New Mexico :D
22:09.29wkoszekcarols: So with enough convincing here, FreeBSD, as a well established org participating in GSOC since the beginning, will get enourmously large number of students, right?
22:09.37carolsdowney: florida? that's so...not exotic ;-)
22:09.54SlurpeeSpeaking of wrangling *-mentor...do any orgs have any recommendations on wrangling tactics that worked or did not work?
22:10.00kblindowney: aren't we either too young or too old for florida?
22:10.17Slurpeecarols: if you're willing to go to Hawaii, why not go a little further to Fiji?
22:10.19carolswkoszek: you haven't even seen your student apps yet. why do you care about slot allocations at this point?
22:10.28carolsSlurpee: i think fiji is a great idea.
22:10.29meflinSlurpee: mostly choose well and keep tabs on them
22:10.39sumanahSlurpee: To check for commitment, I believe we have a videoconference call with the mentors very early in the process, before the proposal deadline I believe
22:10.43kblinSlurpee: do you have an out-of-band method to contact your mentors?
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22:11.22kblinI had the occasional moment where being able to just call the mentor was very helpful
22:11.37sumanahI agree with kblin
22:11.39downeycarols / kblin try jupiter island or something along those lines :)
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22:11.47carolsdowney: that could work.
22:11.56Slurpeekblin: at Drupal we had a few interesting ideas. I was curious what did and did not work for other orgs. Example, this year we contacted all student/mentor alumni to participate in 2014.
22:12.14wkoszekcarols: Because I spent hours on proposing cool ideas on ideas page and I'd love to see them all picked by students :)
22:12.22kblinsumanah: on the out-of-band contact or the "not the right age for florida" thing? ;)
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22:12.37wkoszekcarols: But you're right--we have to see what the applicants come up with.
22:13.01sumanahkblin: the out-of-band contact :)
22:13.11carolswkoszek: let's not put the cart before the horse. :-)
22:13.27Slurpeecarols: Fiji is easier than you think. I have been three times. The biggest decision is which of the 300+ islands to visit.
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22:13.53kblinSlurpee: we need one that can fit all the mentos and has a decent internet connection
22:14.00kblinmentors
22:14.08ankitsablok89I want the channel for Gambit
22:14.15carolsSlurpee: that sounds like a wonderful problem to have
22:14.16ankitsablok89can anyone provide me with that
22:14.20wkoszekcarols: Your Polish visit was GSOC related? I want to involve some Polish universities too.
22:14.22kblin!anyone | ankitsablok89
22:14.22gsocbotankitsablok89: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization directly. You can find an org's contact information via the org list at http://goo.gl/yxeB0
22:14.29carolswkoszek: indeed it was
22:14.41wkoszekcarols: Which cities you had a chance to visit?
22:14.45kblinhmm, I wonder if that link still is right
22:14.52carolswkoszek: for gsoc, or just in my travels?
22:14.57Slurpeecarols: each islands has it's own type of attractions. Some people want to relax in luxury...some people want to go scuba diving...some want to surf...some want it all...
22:15.04kblinnope
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22:15.10carolsSlurpee: how wonderful. you're selling me on fiji.
22:15.12wkoszekcarols: both :)
22:15.16kblin!forget anyone
22:15.20gsocbotkblin: The operation succeeded.
22:16.02kblin!learn anyone as Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to  that mentoring organization directly. You can find an org's contact information via the org list at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014
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22:16.53ankitsablok89I found that @kblin but I am not able to find its irc node
22:17.01Slurpeecarols: watch Fiji Airways (aka Air Pacific) website @ http://www.fijiairways.com/ - the prices change all the time and they post interesting deals on round trip flights from LAX.
22:17.12ollyankitsablok89: not all orgs use IRC
22:17.23downeycarols: wait, couldn't you just fly the gsoc plane down to your vacation destination?
22:17.47gsocbotkblin: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization directly. You can find an org's contact information via the org list at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014
22:17.50carolswkoszek: for gsoc i went to bucharest, sydney, perth, and warsaw and gdansk. that's just in the last few months. the list gets much longer if we're just talking about general travel
22:17.50carolsankitsablok89: if they don't list it on their melange homepage they may not want you to contact them through that method
22:17.50carolsankitsablok89: you should use whatever method they provide
22:17.50carolsSlurpee: i'm pretty darn close to sold, i have to say
22:17.58ollyfiji's nice, at least when they aren't busy having a coup or similar
22:18.09kblinok, bedtime for me, have fun
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22:18.24carolsdowney: ssshhh
22:18.24carolsi don't want to hear any more from you.
22:18.26carols:-P
22:18.36carolssee you tomorrow kblin
22:18.59downeyruns off to charter a flight to cape verde
22:19.10Slurpeecarols: did I mention 1.00 USD = 1.87719 FJD ?
22:19.19carolsSlurpee: wow, that's awesome
22:19.43carolsmakes me want a coconut and a beach chair.
22:19.48ankitsablok89Still confused I am
22:19.49ankitsablok89:(
22:20.00carolsankitsablok89: how can we help unconfuse you?
22:20.40ankitsablok89I checked out their site
22:20.44carolsgreat
22:20.46ankitsablok89but there is no irc node
22:20.50ankitsablok89available
22:20.53carolsi don't think they use irc.
22:20.56ankitsablok89where I can talk to developers
22:20.58carolsthat's not confusing, that's just a fact.
22:21.04ankitsablok89so how shall I contact them then
22:21.17Slurpeecarols: the actual fiji money is cool too :)  http://i17.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/c3/ec/3f2a_35.JPG
22:21.20carolsankitsablok89: you will need to surf around their website and their ideas page, probably
22:21.36carolsSlurpee: is that the plastic stuff? romania is using the plastic now, it's awesome
22:21.54Slurpeecarols: it is similar to paper. I have seen the plastic in Australia though.
22:21.59carolsSlurpee: nice.
22:22.01downeyplastic money like plastic playing cards?
22:22.09carolsdowney: like..not paper :-)
22:22.15Slurpeedowney: it is very difficult to rip the currency notes.
22:22.30downeyright
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22:23.18SlurpeeTraveling all the time it is difficult to purchase and carry souvenirs.  Because of this I collect currency from various countries.
22:23.55downeySlurpee: that makes it much more convenient on your return to country X :)
22:25.35Slurpeedowney: yeah, I was kinda bummed when all the European countries joined in on the Euro ;)
22:25.46downeySlurpee: most of the places i go can't afford plastic money so i travel with a roll of clear tape :)
22:25.53Slurpeecurrency collector items :)
22:26.05Slurpeedowney: that works too.
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22:27.28downeyhi, maryr :)
22:28.27maryrdowney: hi there :)
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22:34.07Slurpeecarols: I found a good article breaking down the various Fiji islands for new users. I have done a lot of research into Fiji and this appears to be a great place to start - http://www.lonelyplanet.com/fiji/travel-tips-and-articles/77671
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22:34.15carolsSlurpee: wow, thanks :-)
22:34.17carolsthat's awesome
22:34.56Slurpeecarols: the goal is to fly into Nadi which is on Viti Levu and get to another island as quick as possible.
22:35.09carolsSlurpee: or the goal is to relax.
22:35.21SlurpeeThere will be a little transportation involved such as loading a boat ride to another island.
22:36.06SlurpeeWell the main island is good, but it is mainly a transport hub. Yes, there are really nice hotels on the main island such as Westin/Sheraton, but the real treat is on the other islands.
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22:36.52SlurpeeMany people fly into Nadi, stay on main island first day, then travel to another island following morning.
22:37.06Slurpeeor use Nadi as a place to stay night before departing.
22:37.15carolssounds great. i'll definitely check it out.
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22:40.01carolsMatthewWilkes!
22:40.41MatthewWilkescarols!
22:40.54MatthewWilkescarols: My thanks to you and your team for your faith in us!
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22:41.19carolsMatthewWilkes: you're welcome. it was a very nice (accessible) ideas page this year.
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22:41.46MatthewWilkescarols: :/
22:41.49carols:-)
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22:42.49MatthewWilkescarols: In my defence, I wasn't org-admin *that* year
22:42.55MatthewWilkesmakes excuses
22:42.59carolsMatthewWilkes: mmm hmm.
22:43.07carolsright.
22:44.50MatthewWilkescarols: Also, the sun was in my eyes
22:44.59carolsMatthewWilkes: sure.
22:45.01carolsi believe you.
22:45.03MatthewWilkesand… er… aliens?
22:45.13meflinyou had black death
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22:46.41MatthewWilkesmeflin: You joke, but the black death plays havoc on workflow
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22:51.26kshitij8meflin: now that org list has been published can you reveal the org you're associated with?
22:52.09meflinPython and Syncdifferent
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22:54.00meflinis going to have to order more tea
22:54.03kshitij8ohh... they sound good. (I just had to know the big secret you were keeping) :)
22:54.25meflinwasn't much of a secret :D
22:55.12kshitij8wasn't it? I recall you being all 007 about it. ;-)
22:55.31meflinI've mentioned python before
22:55.39meflinI was a bit cadgy about the other
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22:59.08kshitij8cool. Hope you have a fun summer with new hatchlings. :)
23:00.05meflinalready under atack :D
23:00.58kshitij8wonder what they'll do to by the end of student application phase. :D
23:01.10kshitij8s/do to/do to you/
23:01.29meflinwell they can't drive me insane its way way to late for that :D
23:02.03carolsmeflin: how many students have contact you so far?
23:02.08carols*contected
23:02.10carolssigh
23:02.12carolscontacted
23:02.16carolshas more tea
23:02.19meflinSync-2 ... python hard to tell sub-orgs :)
23:02.28carolsmeflin: cool
23:02.42meflinand both students also followed up on irc already .. 1 with patches ....
23:02.55carolswow, that's fast
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23:03.55meflinwell patch
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23:04.14andrew_szHow we submit our proposals? I mean we should upload a pdf or just fill a form on the melange site?
23:04.27meflinfill out the form :)
23:04.36carolsandrew_sz: have you read the faqs and such?
23:04.52carolsandrew_sz: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#4._How_does_a_student_apply
23:05.02carolssorry, didn't mean to make that bold
23:05.51andrew_szahh, I found it just by reading it again :) "submitting your proposal via the Google Summer of Code site"
23:05.55andrew_szThank you
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23:08.03meflinwell let us wait untill the proposals are in :D
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23:11.12scottScottwho
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23:13.24carolsscottScott: did you need a question answered, or was that just a slip of the keyboard?
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23:21.12fgnievinskiis this the right place to report broken links on google-melange.com?
23:21.35techietimIs there a recommended number of hours a week a student should put in to their project?  This discussion from a couple years ago leads me to believe it's around 40 hours a week, which seems a bit high https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/google-summer-of-code-discuss/d98o_kPAxdE
23:21.45carolsfgnievinski: #melange would be a better place
23:21.56fgnievinskicool, thx
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23:22.19carolstechietim: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#11._How_much_time_is_required_to
23:23.21ThomasWaldmanntechietim: gsoc is a full-time job, do not do other major jobs in parallel
23:23.37ollytechietim: focussing only on a number of hours isn't totally helpful, but most orgs i've discussed it with expect you to treat it like a full-time job
23:24.06ThomasWaldmannpeople tried multiple jobs, and failed
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23:25.04darnir_techietim: There isn't any upper or lower limit on the number of hours per week. It depends on the complexity of your project and is completely based on the mentoring organization.
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23:25.32darnir_However, it is true that GSoC should be considered a full time job and hence a 40-hour week seems just about fine.
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23:28.01techietimolly: The reason why I was curious about the number of hours per week was to figure out what the hourly rate worked out to be.
23:28.56ThomasWaldmannif that's your main concern, you maybe shouldn't do it.
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23:30.21gh_techietim, in some countries, full time means 35 hours/week
23:31.15ollyvery good in some countries, in others it's a more interesting way to make comparable money to what you might get in a low-skill summer job (and to learn more useful skills than you'd get from that)
23:32.29ThomasWaldmannand now compute what mentors get per hour <scnr>
23:33.27gh_techietim, putting aside the number of hours per week issue, I think the most important is to be in daily contact with the mentoring organization, to participate and be responsive (by IRC, mailing lists, etc.)
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23:35.44techietimThomasWaldmann:  I understand that participation in the program has a degree of benevolence about it, but at the same time, university isn't cheap.
23:36.31techietimgh_:  I will certainly do that.  Thank you.
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23:38.00ThomasWaldmanntechietim: you'll get a lot of knowledge and experience you'ld have to pay for at other places (well, if comparable places would exist)
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23:39.09ThomasWaldmanntechietim: but I understand you have to pay the bills.
23:39.13randomaxHi ThomasWaldmann , are you mentor for any of the orgs ?
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23:39.26ThomasWaldmannno, not this year
23:39.36ThomasWaldmannjust hanging around still
23:40.00mmadia+numstats
23:40.04mmadia!numstats
23:40.04gsocbotmmadia: "numstats" is There are 14 statistics in !numapps.
23:40.13mmadia!numapps
23:40.14gsocbotmmadia: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 orgs and 1212 of 6685 proposals (by 4258 students) were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs and 1116 of 5474 proposals (by 3731 students) were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs and 1026 of 5539 propsals (by 3464 students) were accepted.
23:43.48ollygsocbot: learn numapps as In 2014, 190 of 371 mentoring orgs were accepted. 2013: 117/417 orgs; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students)
23:43.49gsocbotolly: "numapps" is (#1) In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 orgs and 1212 of 6685 proposals (by 4258 students) were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs and 1116 of 5474 proposals (by 3731 students) were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs and 1026 of 5539 propsals (by 3464 students) were (1 more message)
23:43.58ollygsocbot: forget numapps 1
23:43.59gsocbotolly: "numapps" is In 2014, 190 of 371 mentoring orgs were accepted. 2013: 117/417 orgs; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students)
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23:48.22mmadiathanks olly. :)
23:50.53carolsserves some more tea and coffee
23:50.59carolsyes, thanks olly
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23:51.57ollyslurps tea
23:52.26downeyprepares chocolate mint oolong tea for desert
23:52.41carolsthat sounds tasty.
23:53.00downeyoh yes
23:53.57downeyit's from stash tea in pdx
23:54.01downey(fwiw)
23:54.13carolsyum.
23:54.19Arthur_Dstash of what now ;P
23:54.37downeyArthur_D: tea :P
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