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02:20.52 | DaSpirit | Hehe I should stop being lazy. |
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04:32.50 | megabitdragon | can an organization administrator act as a mentor as well? |
04:33.01 | meflin | yes |
04:33.28 | meflin | I do not advise it ... having done it ... almost every time |
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04:33.50 | megabitdragon | do you need to change the role in the melange? |
04:33.59 | meflin | nope |
04:34.07 | meflin | one admin to rule them all ;) |
04:34.51 | megabitdragon | ;) thanks meflin |
04:34.55 | olly | an admin is a automatically a mentor in melange |
04:35.06 | megabitdragon | got it |
04:35.07 | meflin | do not spread yourself to thin |
04:35.07 | olly | though i'd also be wary of overloading yourself |
04:35.28 | olly | especially if you've a lot of students and mentors |
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04:36.50 | megabitdragon | we are first time participants so not too many students |
04:37.14 | meflin | its a lot more work then it seems |
04:37.25 | megabitdragon | thanks for the heads up |
04:38.12 | meflin | best of luck |
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05:25.57 | bryon | good god lemon |
05:26.02 | bryon | so many people in this channel |
05:26.25 | thiago | not really |
05:26.33 | thiago | this is only a medium-sized channel |
05:26.37 | bryon | well, compared to other channels i'm in. |
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05:30.49 | edunham | bryon: yeah ~300 is on the smaller side of ordinary for a major project on Freenode... ever been to #python? |
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05:31.06 | bryon | nein |
05:31.11 | bryon | hey, i know you! |
05:31.14 | bryon | heh heh |
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05:31.39 | bryon | i probably SHOULD camp out in #python |
05:32.31 | meflin | bryon: :P its #python-gsoc |
05:33.01 | bryon | meflin: duly noted |
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05:37.46 | strik3r | hello, where i can find out previous year student proposals & formats |
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05:39.46 | ajitkr1994_ | strik3r : http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/projects/list/google/gsoc2013 |
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05:59.26 | Dharmit | Hi. I am going through the student guide for gsoc. "Writing a Proposal" section states to check if one meets Google's formal requirements for participation in SoC. Where can I check these formal requirements? |
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05:59.55 | meflin | !faq |
05:59.55 | gsocbot | meflin: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page |
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06:01.36 | Dharmit | meflin: Thanks. Will go through it. |
06:02.52 | olly | Dharmit: you need to provide proof you're a student when you sign up this year (previously you only needed to do that if you were accepted) |
06:03.16 | olly | the student guide probably hasn't been updated for that |
06:03.52 | Dharmit | olly: Oh okay. Thanks for that additional info. As far as I have read Student Guide, it says to check that one meets requirement. So I got eager to read them first before proceeding further. :) |
06:04.19 | olly | it's certainly wise to check now rather than be disappointed after getting excited about it |
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06:09.46 | Dharmit | olly: Exactly my reason to check the requirements. I am confused because I am doing a part-time masters course and am employed too. |
06:10.11 | olly | my understanding is you don't have to be a full-time student |
06:10.27 | Dharmit | yep. part time is okay. but what about the employment part? |
06:10.44 | olly | but having a job and doing gsoc doesn't really work - it's a full-time commitment for the coding period |
06:12.05 | brlcad | i.e., you will *very* likely get failed, no matter how much time you think you have |
06:12.11 | stqism | Remember, signing up for GSoC and getting chosen without letting your mentoring org know is dishonest, as it takes a LOT of work. |
06:12.22 | olly | we had a student in a previous year who was just doing a few hours a week on the university computer help desk, and he ended up arranging to drop that because it wasn't really working |
06:12.55 | brlcad | I forget the stats from a prior year, but a substantial portion of failed students are those that try to participate with other committments, another job being the prime example |
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06:12.59 | olly | he'd told us in advance in that case |
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06:13.29 | meflin | depends on tjhe student |
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06:14.02 | stqism | meflin: Not a lot of people can do school, GSoC, and work. |
06:14.14 | meflin | true |
06:14.16 | stqism | Only so few hours exist in a day. |
06:15.17 | brlcad | it usually ends up stressing the student and the mentor relationship suffers |
06:15.38 | stqism | Well, 80-100 hours a week isn't an easy feat |
06:15.58 | olly | manages 168 hours almost every week |
06:16.06 | meflin | 240 hours .. oh wait ;) |
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06:16.20 | olly | meflin: you and your metric time |
06:16.43 | brlcad | yep, and it might even seem great the first couple weeks .. but it's not sustainable for the 3-4 month duration |
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06:21.49 | Dharmit | Thanks guys for your inputs. Sounds like it'd be better to start with small contributions in upstream rather than full blown gsoc project. |
06:22.21 | olly | Dharmit: unless you're able to arrange a 3 month break in the job |
06:22.24 | meflin | do both |
06:22.53 | olly | if it's a job in computers, they might feel it's good for them for you to do GSoC |
06:23.05 | olly | like a training course they don't have to fund |
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09:54.34 | rnat | what exactly is a student supposed to do in this interim period |
09:54.54 | rnat | could someone guide me as its my first GSOC |
09:55.10 | Beornwulf | rnat: look at the project ideas and orgs, get to know the orgs you're interested in, etc |
09:55.37 | Beornwulf | that's what I'm doing anyway |
09:56.22 | dnivra | rnat: Have you read http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ ? |
09:56.36 | dnivra | If not, I think that's a great place to start. |
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09:57.04 | rnat | Beornwulf: i did |
09:57.04 | rnat | Beornwulf: how do these orgs select u? |
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09:57.27 | rnat | dnivra: nope ,thanks looks interesting |
09:57.48 | dnivra | glad I could help. It'll answer most of your questions include how orgs select a student :). |
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10:00.39 | olly | rnat: you pick some orgs you're interested in, not the other way around |
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10:06.11 | rnat | would presenting orgs with some half baked code ,increase the likelihood of being selected? |
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10:06.39 | olly | full baked is more likely to work |
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10:18.29 | rnat | is Gsoc only for ingenious students .. reading the project ideas makes me feel that i am about 40% ready for it |
10:18.58 | Beornwulf | rnat: many of them I'd have no idea about |
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10:19.25 | Beornwulf | I think it's a matter of finding something that matches your skills and that grabs you enough to learn what you don't know |
10:19.31 | PulkoMandy | you have some time now to discuss this with the orgs |
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12:43.55 | spoffy_ | Mhhhm. It's still quite a few though. Still, to be expected I guess :P |
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13:18.52 | denysbutenko | HI, anyone have invite for new text editor Atom? |
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13:22.41 | rubbersheep | nope |
13:23.06 | gevaerts | doesn't think this is the right place for that sort of thing |
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13:32.07 | Cadair | denysbutenko, lime looks more promising to be, being open source and all |
13:32.19 | Cadair | s/be/me |
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13:37.48 | darnir | doesn't understand the fascination with editors. |
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13:38.16 | darnir | Don't people use vim/emacs these days? |
13:38.38 | Cadair | darnir, I use a combo of vim and spyder |
13:38.54 | darnir | Spyder? |
13:39.07 | KolibriOS|yogev | darnir: I use Notepad++ (forced to use Windows by the employer) |
13:39.40 | Nilabhra | whats going on here? |
13:39.44 | darnir | KolibriOS|yogev: That's just sad. But Notepad++ is a good editor. Extensible, yet no frills |
13:40.00 | Cadair | darnir, it's a scientific python IDE |
13:40.02 | KolibriOS|yogev | darnir: So far it answers all my needs, and even beyond. No complaints. |
13:40.24 | gevaerts | is firmly in the vim camp |
13:40.25 | darnir | True. I always liked Notepad++. It's not vim, but it isn't bad. |
13:40.36 | darnir | hi-fives gevaerts |
13:40.53 | gevaerts | types escape ctrl-H 5 darnir |
13:41.03 | KolibriOS|yogev | darnir: Our servers are mostly on Unix/Linux though, and there I do use vim |
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13:41.40 | KolibriOS|yogev | (I don't mean KolibriOS of course, but my regular paid RL job) |
13:42.34 | darnir | Well of course. I never assumed a linux OS using Windows systems for development. |
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13:43.31 | KolibriOS|yogev | darnir: Your assumption is wrong but in totally different direction than you might think :-) |
13:43.59 | KolibriOS|yogev | darnir: I give you 3 tries to fix yourself (you can make 3 guesses) |
13:44.03 | darnir | Well. If you say so. You'd know best. |
13:45.06 | gevaerts | thinks he knows :) |
13:45.10 | darnir | You're not Linux? |
13:45.23 | KolibriOS|yogev | darnir: Bingo :-) |
13:45.24 | darnir | \me cheated. |
13:45.28 | darnir | cheated |
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13:45.40 | KolibriOS|yogev | darnir: Cheating is fine as long as you aren't noticed :-) |
13:45.53 | darnir | Damn, I'm too used to typing latex commands. |
13:46.36 | gevaerts | darnir: surprisingly many OSes are not linux :) |
13:46.54 | darnir | I know! I was simply assuming |
13:47.15 | KolibriOS|yogev | gevaerts: Sadly the news editors do not agree with you, they still often list us as Linux flavor. |
13:47.46 | KolibriOS|yogev | gevaerts: I am totally not insulted by that, but it's just not correct. |
13:47.47 | gevaerts | KolibriOS|yogev: I know how you feel. Every now and then we have to correct the wikipedia page on rockbox too |
13:48.15 | gevaerts | Surprisingly many people just are incapable of accepting that there are things that aren't windows or linux |
13:48.58 | PulkoMandy | mh... that doesn't happen that much to us at Haiku |
13:49.08 | PulkoMandy | maybe they still remember BeOS... for now |
13:49.11 | darnir | Ouch, I seemed to have opened up a fresh wound here. |
13:49.16 | KolibriOS|yogev | PulkoMandy: Because you have BeOS legacy, true |
13:49.41 | KolibriOS|yogev | darnir: To me it's not a wound at all, just funny. |
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13:50.54 | KolibriOS|yogev | PulkoMandy: I have to admit that when I ask to write a news item about KolibriOS and they confuse us with Linux, I say "No, it's totally separate OS like Haiku", it usually works :-) |
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13:51.13 | gevaerts | KolibriOS|yogev: oh, you're based on Haiku? |
13:51.26 | gevaerts | hides :) |
13:51.29 | KolibriOS|yogev | gevaerts: Haha, good one. |
13:52.06 | PulkoMandy | we are also the ones mentionned in XKCD, maybe that helps? :p |
13:52.28 | KolibriOS|yogev | PulkoMandy: Oh, mind to share a link? |
13:53.13 | KolibriOS|yogev | gevaerts: Actually that worked when I asked to add us to Distrowatch, thankfully Haiku was already there. |
13:53.22 | PulkoMandy | http://xkcd.com/806 |
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13:54.28 | gevaerts | Sometimes gsoc is a good way to meet people who do things that are not linux |
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13:56.46 | KolibriOS|yogev | PulkoMandy: Haha that was fun. And "Shibboleet" is in Hebrew :-) |
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13:57.18 | voldyman | KolibriOS|yogev: is Kolibri written in assembly? |
13:58.05 | KolibriOS|yogev | voldyman: Most of it, yes. Kernel and drivers are 100% assembly, user software can be written in other languages as well. |
13:58.33 | gevaerts | thinks KolibriOS|yogev is insane :) |
13:58.42 | voldyman | KolibriOS|yogev: i wanted to apply for Kolibri but am too afraid of assembly, learning it in College though |
13:58.44 | gevaerts | They invented compilers, you know! |
13:58.50 | KolibriOS|yogev | gevaerts: Oh, why? |
13:58.56 | darnir | secretly agrees with gevaerts |
13:59.28 | voldyman | bows down before KolibriOS |
13:59.31 | KolibriOS|yogev | voldyman: You are welcome to apply, because we are a small org and won't have many applications, so you have pretty good chances |
13:59.51 | gevaerts | KolibriOS|yogev: what advantages does pure assembly give you? |
13:59.57 | voldyman | KolibriOS|yogev: i have performance anxiety |
13:59.59 | Cadair | a headache :p |
14:00.07 | Cadair | All respect to you |
14:00.16 | Cadair | you are just crazier than I |
14:00.37 | gevaerts | It *can* give you performance, yes, but then you don't always need that |
14:00.50 | Cadair | I am very impressed that your website says your kernel is <100kB |
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14:00.58 | Cadair | that's pretty nuts |
14:01.00 | KolibriOS|yogev | voldyman: Registering on our forums is a good start point |
14:01.11 | voldyman | KolibriOS|yogev: can i apply even if i would need time to get used to assembly? |
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14:01.49 | gevaerts | voldyman: they want contributors, so presumably yes :) |
14:02.03 | PulkoMandy | Haiku uses C++ |
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14:02.14 | PulkoMandy | but now I wonder if that's actually easier to master than assembly :) |
14:02.23 | ashepelev | KolibriOS|yogev: And does KolibriOS works in real-time or protected mode? Is there any access level switch? |
14:02.29 | darnir | I would prever assembly over C++! |
14:02.30 | KolibriOS|yogev | voldyman: Yes if you are willing to learn. |
14:02.34 | gevaerts | PulkoMandy: at least you can run static analysers on it |
14:02.59 | KolibriOS|yogev | ashepelev: Real mode 16bit to boot, then 32bit protected mode |
14:03.00 | PulkoMandy | yes. and we keep finding bugs |
14:03.36 | darnir | I'm going to get Kolibri OS working on a virtual machine just for fun. |
14:04.14 | ashepelev | KolibriOS|yogev: I have recently wrote switching to 16-bit protected mode on MS-DOS. Without any debugger. That was nightmare. |
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14:05.38 | KolibriOS|yogev | ashepelev: We never switch back to 16 bit after boot process completed. Not point for us. |
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14:06.25 | KolibriOS|yogev | gevaerts: Sorry, I was disturbed in RL. The advantage is small size and full control of the generated code. |
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14:07.31 | ashepelev | KolibriOS|yogev: it's pretty wize to use 32 bit. Even with such an unusual OS source language. I used to test it. You are heroes. |
14:08.26 | ashepelev | KolibriOS|yogev: If I'm not mistaken that it's KolibriOS story that your teammate developed USB driver for about a year :-) |
14:09.46 | KolibriOS|yogev | ashepelev: in 2 years, yes. And she is the only girl in the project, which is even more cool. |
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14:11.18 | KolibriOS|yogev | ashepelev: She is so clever that sometimes she fixes a bug faster than I manage to explain what the bug is. |
14:11.31 | ashepelev | KolibriOS|yogev: woah! :-) wonder-girl |
14:11.46 | KolibriOS|yogev | But of course we don't require our potential students to be that clever :-) |
14:12.11 | KolibriOS|yogev | The only requirement is basic CS knowledge and williness to learn. |
14:14.52 | KolibriOS|yogev | Cadair: That's right, the current size is 82.4 KB |
14:15.06 | Cadair | o.O |
14:17.28 | Spoffy | I always find experience helps solve bugs as much as intelligence does :) |
14:17.31 | KolibriOS|yogev | Cadair: Well, since you also need drivers to work with the OS, the total size of kernel + drivers is around 200 KB |
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14:18.05 | Spoffy | Also, how does it work if you apply to GSoC multiple organisations? |
14:18.06 | Cadair | That's still silly size |
14:18.34 | Cadair | Spoffy, if you get accepted to multiple, a bun fight ensues :p |
14:18.37 | KolibriOS|yogev | Spoffy: You can submit up to 5 proposals. If you are only selected in 1 place, then nothing happens. |
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14:18.58 | KolibriOS|yogev | Spoffy: if 2 or more orgs want you, then they fight over you. |
14:19.12 | Spoffy | Sounds funny. Alright, that's what I was interested in, thanks :) |
14:19.13 | downey | KolibriOS|yogev: "fight" is such a violent word :) |
14:19.13 | KolibriOS|yogev | Spoffy: The org that wins the fight, gets you. |
14:19.21 | Spoffy | Can you place bets? |
14:19.23 | DaSpirit | Can the student choose what they do? |
14:19.25 | Spoffy | A duel to the death perhaps? |
14:19.34 | KolibriOS|yogev | downey: Well, not literal fight of couse :-) |
14:19.48 | downey | DaSpirit: Every time we've had a duplication issue, the student's preference played a major consideration |
14:19.55 | KolibriOS|yogev | Spoffy: That's exactly the problem, you do not decide who gets you but orgs decide. |
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14:20.21 | PulkoMandy | DaSpirit: the orgs make the decision, but you can tell them what you prefer, and they usually listen |
14:20.21 | Cadair | When we had this last year the student basically decided. |
14:20.25 | KolibriOS|yogev | Spoffy: So if you strongly prefer 1 org over other, you should be careful with submitting multiple proposals. |
14:20.26 | Spoffy | Ah, okay. I suppose the moral of the story is don't apply to orgs you don't want to do work for :P Thanks, that's been helpful :) |
14:20.27 | darnir | KolibriOS|yogev: Not really. The student also has a choice. Only they need to be smart enough to voice it at the correct place |
14:20.45 | DaSpirit | And where is the correct place? |
14:21.24 | PulkoMandy | we ask our students to tell us in their application |
14:21.26 | darnir | I would l think your proposal. |
14:21.44 | darnir | needs more caffiene |
14:22.02 | PulkoMandy | just tell "I'm also applying at project xxx" somewhere in there - no need to rank your preferences yet |
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14:22.56 | DaSpirit | Just wondering, what if a student starts their project before summer and finishes early? |
14:23.03 | DaSpirit | Is that allowed? |
14:23.41 | darnir | depends on how large the shift is and if the organization is willing |
14:24.10 | PulkoMandy | starting early shouldn't be a problem |
14:24.20 | darnir | A few days or a week here or there, no one would care. But shifting dates by a month would be a problem. |
14:24.51 | PulkoMandy | well, if you finish the project and continue working on other things/polishing for the extra month at the end, it's not a problem |
14:24.51 | darnir | Well, it's open source. You can start anytime you like. It's defining the problem within the period of GSoC. |
14:25.16 | PulkoMandy | if you plan to disappear one month before the end of the program, better make sure that's ok with the org you're working with |
14:25.26 | ashepelev | KolibriOS|yogev: I just phoned to my groupmate. He was very interested in some asm and GSoC :-) |
14:25.46 | KolibriOS|yogev | ashepelev: So tell him/her to connect with us :-) |
14:26.04 | darnir | Yeah! Else, you might not get passing grades through your org. Which means missing out on the T-shirt |
14:26.28 | Cadair | darnir, Don't forget the sticker |
14:27.08 | DaSpirit | Is the website for students up yet? Where they apply? |
14:27.19 | KolibriOS|yogev | DaSpirit: Even if you finish earlier and it's ok with the org, you would have to be present at the dates defined by Google to submit your code etc. |
14:27.34 | KolibriOS|yogev | DaSpirit: So you can stop coding if it's ok with the org but you cannot disappear. |
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14:28.01 | KolibriOS|yogev | DaSpirit: Did you read the channel topic? :-) |
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14:29.36 | darnir | !timeline | DaSpirit |
14:29.37 | gsocbot | DaSpirit: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
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14:33.25 | k-joseph | !next |
14:33.26 | gsocbot | k-joseph: "next" is (#1) The student application period opens on 10th March, or (#2) 28 February 16:00 UTC: IRC meeting with rejected mentoring organizations. |
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14:34.03 | Cadair | oh gsocbot I forgot about the fun times friday |
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14:34.51 | DaSpirit | Do many rejected orgs join? |
14:35.12 | darnir | Only 50 may |
14:35.18 | DaSpirit | Are any pissed? |
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14:35.38 | darnir | carols is the only one who can answer that. And she's not around |
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14:35.53 | DaSpirit | carols is a woman? I did not know that. |
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14:36.17 | dougdastew1 | Hi, I was a mentor last summer and now want to mentor again. I can login to Melange. Do I have to do anything more now -- like re-register? |
14:36.20 | Cadair | DaSpirit, I might be drunk, not angry tho :p |
14:36.25 | KolibriOS|yogev | darnir: Well I saw one org admin on Monday that was totally nuts being rejected. |
14:36.58 | Cadair | I had really hope to get in this year |
14:37.03 | darnir | dougdastew1: Yes. You have to register as a mentor again. Every year |
14:37.07 | DaSpirit | I'm a little mad on how an org I was trying to get into this program got rejected. |
14:37.24 | PulkoMandy | well, there can't be space for everyone |
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14:37.26 | Cadair | but it's not the end of the world as we can hopefully still get a student or two under the PSF |
14:37.27 | DaSpirit | Cadair, link to your ideas page? |
14:37.32 | darnir | Many orgs get rejected. |
14:37.33 | DaSpirit | PSF? |
14:37.38 | Cadair | https://github.com/sunpy/sunpy/wiki/Gsoc-2014-ideas |
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14:37.43 | Cadair | Python Software Foundation |
14:37.45 | PulkoMandy | we got rejected last year too, but we're back! |
14:37.48 | dougdastew1 | darnir: thanks |
14:37.51 | darnir | But you can always use Umbrella Organizations. That's what they are for |
14:38.08 | KolibriOS|yogev | Well although it's sad being rejected, if you are accepted every year then there is no chance for new orgs like us. |
14:38.09 | DaSpirit | Umbrelle organizations? |
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14:38.40 | darnir | DaSpirit: Python, GNU, etc. |
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14:38.54 | DaSpirit | Cadair, your ideas list is awesome. You probably got rejected due to lack of room :( |
14:38.56 | darnir | You can approach tme and have your project listed on their ideas page. |
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14:39.33 | Cadair | Thanks DaSpirit |
14:39.38 | darnir | And it's not against the rules. carols will herself suggest you do this |
14:40.10 | Cadair | We are quite a small org and in some ways it is easier for us to work under the PSF |
14:40.15 | PulkoMandy | I guess people that can reattach to an umbrella organization tend to have it less easy to get slots on their own |
14:40.15 | Cadair | less admin etc |
14:40.58 | PulkoMandy | well let's find out, when is the meeting about that ? |
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14:41.43 | Cadair | Friday |
14:41.44 | Cadair | !next |
14:41.45 | gsocbot | Cadair: "next" is (#1) The student application period opens on 10th March, or (#2) 28 February 16:00 UTC: IRC meeting with rejected mentoring organizations. |
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14:50.58 | eLobato | hi? |
14:51.24 | Cadair | hi! |
14:54.19 | eLobato | Cadair: can we queue up for feedback already? |
14:54.30 | darnir | I don't think so. |
14:54.34 | Cadair | I don't know |
14:54.36 | Cadair | I doubt it |
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15:01.14 | darnir | dougdastew1: Try #melange |
15:01.27 | dougdastew1 | ok |
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15:06.58 | harshit93 | Hello, I have a doubt |
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15:07.55 | harshit93 | The list of confirmed orgs that is posted on the google-melange site, all of them have a list of ideas of their own. So is it necessary to apply with the ideas that are suggested there only? |
15:08.07 | stqism | No |
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15:08.31 | elb | that depends on the individual organization's policies, but in general a well thought-out application that is a new idea is welcome |
15:08.48 | PulkoMandy | you want to discuss this with people from the org you're applying with |
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15:08.56 | harshit93 | So ther's nothing like those are the ideas and the softwares that have been confirmed, and the new ideas/ideas on new softwares won't be welcome? |
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15:09.28 | PulkoMandy | you have to work for one of the accepted organizations |
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15:10.00 | PulkoMandy | what you work on is something you decide with that organization, so get in touch with them and ask them if they'd accept your project |
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15:10.30 | harshit93 | Okay. I will do that. Thanks! |
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15:39.01 | eLobato | according to the email rejected projects will get feedback in 20 minutes right? |
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15:39.55 | Tomkiewicz | in 24 hours + 20 minutes - I did the same mistake |
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15:40.37 | meh123 | #gsoc |
15:40.51 | KolibriOS|yogev | eLobato: Does your email say Feb 27 or 28? |
15:41.19 | eLobato | KolibriOS|yogev: Friday, 28 .. |
15:41.32 | KolibriOS|yogev | eLobato: That's correct. And what day is today? |
15:41.55 | Lennie | well if you live in Australia... :) |
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15:42.20 | KolibriOS|yogev | Lennie: For that reason it says UTC (=Greenwich time) :-) |
15:42.27 | paultag | UTC != GMT |
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15:42.30 | Lennie | Smart move :) |
15:42.41 | KolibriOS|yogev | paultag: Formalities, formalities |
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15:43.05 | paultag | :) |
15:43.06 | PulkoMandy | UTC = GMT, within off-by-one errors |
15:43.08 | KolibriOS|yogev | paultag: If you simplify it enough, they are equal now. |
15:43.23 | paultag | PulkoMandy: ~= * :) |
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15:43.53 | Lennie | well I'm off for the day, I wonder how many people think it will be today :) |
15:44.09 | KolibriOS|yogev | Lennie: So far it was 3 |
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15:44.32 | KolibriOS|yogev | Lennie: And 1 more though it's yesterday (26th) :-) |
15:44.37 | KolibriOS|yogev | *thought |
15:45.04 | meh123 | #winehackers |
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15:49.13 | kblin | !learn queue as you can queue up on Friday, the 28th of February |
15:49.13 | gsocbot | kblin: "queue" is (#1) not open yet., or (#2) you can queue up on Friday, the 28th of February |
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15:49.43 | kblin | !forget queue 2 |
15:49.43 | gsocbot | kblin: "queue" is not open yet. |
15:49.49 | kblin | ok, sufficient :) |
15:50.08 | kblin | brlcad: hey there, I've unmuted infobot again |
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15:51.15 | eLobato | kblin: what's the command to queue up tomorrow? |
15:52.19 | kblin | eLobato: it will be "!queue your org name, url://of/your/ideas/list" |
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15:53.07 | kblin | eLobato: also, please change your nick to yourorgname_nick for the meeting |
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16:40.59 | Tomkiewicz | does yourorgname have to fit org name closely, or may be abbreviated? |
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16:44.20 | KolibriOS|yogev | Tomkiewicz: I think org ID is actually what is expected |
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16:44.29 | KolibriOS|yogev | Not full name |
16:44.59 | KolibriOS|yogev | i.e. "gimp", not "GNU Image Manipulation Program" |
16:45.49 | Tomkiewicz | got it, thanks |
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17:02.04 | sumanah | http://www.harihareswara.net/sumana/2014/02/26/0 - some advice for people new to open source, inspired partially by conversation here in #gsoc |
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17:03.20 | sumanah | paultag: ^ you may find some formulations there helpful |
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17:03.40 | paultag | awesome! |
17:03.41 | paultag | thank you! |
17:03.48 | paultag | also hi, sumanah! |
17:03.55 | sumanah | :) (hi) |
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17:11.22 | TCD | <PROTECTED> |
17:11.55 | PulkoMandy | probably |
17:11.57 | sumanah | yes |
17:12.10 | TCD | Hrm, okay |
17:12.14 | sumanah | TCD: you can learn :) |
17:12.16 | PulkoMandy | you'll have a mentor to guide you, and there is time before the coding period starts so you can get more up to speed |
17:12.56 | TCD | sumanah: Yeah, I'm fine with the 'I don't know about X, but I'm fine learning about it with little sleep for the next 2 months' but I wasn't sure if the mentors would prefer 'I have actually done X' :P |
17:13.16 | heller | TCD: the best way would be to just ask them |
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17:13.39 | markthema3 | I think some experience would be helpful, but you have a while to do some research before application time, so I'd recommend doing that research. |
17:13.59 | sumanah | TCD: I understand your concern. But you are not going to be competing against an imaginary ideal person. There are real people out there. Some have experience in the domain, some have experience in the right languages, etc. but no one is perfect |
17:14.08 | TCD | True, true. |
17:14.16 | sumanah | TCD: for instance, you seem to have pretty good English communication skills. Not everyone has those! |
17:14.40 | sumanah | You have the initiative and openness to talk about your questions in a public IRC channel. Some applicants have a really hard time with that. |
17:14.57 | TCD | (I'm glad this is irc and not a room with real people, heh) |
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17:15.36 | sumanah | TCD: you mean a physical room? :) (we are real! I promise!) |
17:15.44 | sumanah | (at least I am) |
17:15.49 | markthema3 | I find that those who doubt their skills generally have more of them, in general. The more you know, the more aware you are of what all you don't know. So the fact that you're asking these questions points to some sort of skill or at least awareness. |
17:15.55 | TCD | sumanah: Yeah, haha :P |
17:16.53 | TCD | I think it's that point of 'I think have the skills...but I doubt my ability to actually show that I have them, or doubt that I'm right about having them'. |
17:17.25 | KolibriOS|yogev | markthema3: So true. When I was working in my RL job for 1 year, I thought I know everything. Now after 8 years there I understood I know nothing :-) |
17:17.46 | sumanah | TCD: sometimes I find it helpful to find samples out there |
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17:18.28 | TCD | sumanah: Samples of what? |
17:18.46 | sumanah | TCD: so, I'll give you 2 examples |
17:18.53 | markthema3 | I remember back in 8th grade when I thought I was cool as hell for being able to toss a basic website together. Now I'm aware of about ten thousand different web technologies that seem really interesting or that I want to learn and I feel like I know nothing. |
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17:19.46 | sumanah | 1) I tried to contribute to an open source project, and discovered - as I worked on it, fixing little things - that the code base had a lot of problems. I wrote up a sort of audit on their mailing list http://lists.libresoft.es/pipermail/metrics-grimoire/2013-November/002280.html Seeing this, a sample of real-world code that other people are depending on, but that has problems that I can see, helped me develop confidence in my skill as a programmer |
17:20.28 | TCD | Ohh, I get you now |
17:20.58 | sumanah | 2) when I applied to Hacker School, I saw that the application asked me to code up a solution to a very small problem - you can see it here as "CracklePop" https://www.hackerschool.com/apply . I did, quickly. Then I remembered that there are people out there who say they are programmers but cannot do that, in any language. I was amazed and remembered that I am actually a programmer :) |
17:21.45 | sumanah | So, seeing samples of other people's work and/or their self-perception can help us see how good we actually are, or give us a goal for what we want to be |
17:21.49 | TCD | Oh right, that '8/10 people cannot do fizzbuzz' thing? (or whatever the number is) |
17:21.52 | TCD | Th |
17:22.48 | sumanah | started doubting her proficiency as a programmer a lot less after that application :) |
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17:23.27 | TCD | Yeah..maybe the fact I've been programming on and off jumping around between (personal) projects for far too long means I don't have anything to base it off :p |
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17:24.02 | sumanah | TCD: right, I understand. Diagnostic questions can be rare |
17:24.08 | markthema3 | The first project I contributed to was Blender, some of that code dates back to the mid 90's. That's a project that needs some consistency and a good audit :P |
17:25.28 | TCD | I figured there's 2 weeks before applications open..plenty of time to try and contribute and get a feel for being useful to something. xD |
17:25.31 | sumanah | :) |
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17:26.35 | sumanah | TCD: by the way, check out the "pre-assessment questionnaire" at the end of http://f1000research.com/articles/3-62/v1 - the "how would you solve this problem" and "consider this task" questions. There are a lot of working scientists who program every day and can't solve them |
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17:26.45 | sumanah | which is why Software Carpentry exists - to teach them |
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17:28.55 | TCD | I feel like a few of those answers would be 'with documentation' because it's areas I haven't touched on before |
17:29.01 | sumanah | sure |
17:29.07 | sumanah | same here |
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17:30.27 | TCD | But overall...I just feel like I'd be able to do any project given enough time to research/find documentation and enough time to implement it, rather than thinking 'I couldn't do that ever'. I mean sure, I doubt I could ever go and lift 200lbs..but writing software? Just seems like anything is possible if you've got the time and patience. |
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17:30.59 | sumanah | you have a growth mindset, which is good :) |
17:31.07 | TCD | woo |
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17:31.34 | sumanah | (the difference between a "fixed" mindset and a "growth" mindset makes a big impact) |
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17:35.27 | PulkoMandy | one more real-world example from GSoC... at Haiku we request students to submit a patch to our codebase, just to check basic C++ knowledge, and ability to use our bugtracker |
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17:35.56 | PulkoMandy | we get much better results out of GSoC since we do that - before we managed to pick student that couldn't actually write any code |
17:37.04 | stqism | PulkoMandy: We interview students and ask for other OSS work. |
17:37.11 | TCD | I saw stuff like that on one of the other projects' sites about getting one line proposals saying 'I want to work on X'..why do people even do this? D: |
17:37.27 | PulkoMandy | if people from the project you pick see you around their mailing lists/IRC channels, asking questions to get your GSoC proposal written, things should be fine |
17:37.37 | PulkoMandy | that's what I did when I was a student and it worked well |
17:37.49 | stqism | TCD: That happens so much |
17:38.01 | PulkoMandy | TCD: can't hurt to try, I guess |
17:38.05 | TCD | Haiku was one of the ones I was interested in looking into more, but I feel the level of rust on my C++ skills may let me down, heh |
17:38.23 | PulkoMandy | there is a lot of people doing a proposal just good enough to get selected, get the initial $500 payment, then disappear |
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17:38.40 | PulkoMandy | TCD: well, don't let that stop you |
17:38.45 | TCD | Oh yeah, I forgot you get money upfront..surely google would pull it? |
17:38.59 | PulkoMandy | they didn't in previous years |
17:39.08 | PulkoMandy | no idea if that changed for this time |
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17:39.30 | PulkoMandy | also, you don't need extensive knowledge of C++ to work in Haiku |
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17:39.53 | PulkoMandy | I'm still learning about parts of C++ every day, I don't think it's possible to know everything about it |
17:40.03 | TCD | Oh no, I was never extensive by any means, heh |
17:40.10 | PulkoMandy | and, Haiku isn't the most crazy use of C++ out there |
17:40.24 | TCD | Just been a little while since I've used it :P |
17:41.05 | PulkoMandy | still better than "never heard of it" |
17:41.45 | TCD | 'huh..what are these * signs everywhere?' |
17:42.04 | PulkoMandy | I did GSoC for Haiku in 2009, and I hadn't even written any real-world C++ code before that |
17:42.28 | PulkoMandy | I had read some books about it, and I knew most of C |
17:42.40 | PulkoMandy | the mentoring team helped me with that and it went fine |
17:42.48 | TCD | Reassuring :D |
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17:45.29 | ajitkr1994 | Does anyone know how to contact mentors from the wxWidgets organization ? |
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17:47.25 | TCD | PulkoMandy: Anywhere else I should consider joining in except #haiku for more info? :) |
17:48.10 | PulkoMandy | #haiku is a good start :) |
17:48.15 | PulkoMandy | we also have a mailing list |
17:48.34 | PulkoMandy | http://www.freelists.org/archive/haiku-development |
17:48.59 | PulkoMandy | and a website, but I guess you have a link to that already |
17:49.11 | TCD | Gotcha, thanks :) Just making sure there wasn't some kind of haiku-gsoc channel or something :) |
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17:50.34 | markthema3 | No, I don't think there are any project channels specific to gsoc. You typically just join the main project channel. |
17:50.57 | PulkoMandy | we had one, but we stopped doing that |
17:51.14 | TCD | I've been joining some main channels, but I've noticed at least one having a soc specific one too |
17:51.23 | KolibriOS|yogev | Actually I saw that Pyton does have one. |
17:51.31 | PulkoMandy | the idea is to make you part of the Haiku developer team, so, better use the same communication channels as everyone else |
17:51.40 | markthema3 | ^ |
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17:52.22 | PulkoMandy | we have a separate ML for gsoc, but we don't use it for discussing development-related stuff - only for midterms evaluation and other "paperwork" stuff |
17:52.45 | PulkoMandy | and only accepted students (and mentors) are subscribed there |
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17:53.21 | stqism | Other people use mailing lists? |
17:53.25 | stqism | Gosh |
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18:03.52 | Palash | Anyone mentoring any Django project online? |
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18:06.32 | TCD | I had personally assumed mailing lists had fallen out of use until I looked into gsoc :p |
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18:07.02 | Beornwulf | TCD: me too :) |
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18:18.00 | hjpotter92 | Hi, I've a question. Why do most of the organisations' IRC/mailing list point back to their GSoC description pages? |
18:18.12 | hjpotter92 | mailing list links* |
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18:19.32 | hjpotter92 | For eg. IRC links on Bookie (http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2014/bookie) and Dr. Memory (http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2014/drmemory) |
18:20.14 | meflin | irc links are not well understood ( even by me ) |
18:20.40 | meflin | you can find bookie at #bookie on this network |
18:20.53 | hjpotter92 | I can find both of them on freenode |
18:21.04 | meflin | feel free to let them know there link is wrong ;) |
18:21.37 | hjpotter92 | Also, lablua's mailing list link points to http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2014/labluapucrio@freelists.org instead of labluapucrio@freelists.org |
18:21.39 | tierra | having helped setup one of the orgs, I did notice that the forms for filling out those details ask orgs to specify either a link or an email address for mailing lists, but if you just put in an email address, the link doesn't use a "mailto", so it's actually broken... the same is kind of going on with the IRC links |
18:21.55 | tierra | so yeah, there's some improvements the Melange team could do there |
18:22.26 | tierra | but in the mean time, it's helpful if you let your orgs know the links don't work correctly |
18:22.33 | terri | tierra: the melange irc channel is, I gather, #melange |
18:22.59 | terri | probably worth reporting directly to them |
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18:23.08 | tierra | probably |
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18:37.23 | tierra | hjpotter92 / terri: I've submitted that as a Melange issue here: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=2058 |
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18:38.22 | hjpotter92 | tierra: Cool. =) |
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18:58.49 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
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18:59.09 | TCD | Biscuits? |
18:59.15 | carols | TCD: did you bring some? |
18:59.32 | TCD | I've got a few, but the channel's kinda grown. |
18:59.48 | carols | TCD: well, then you will have to decide on your own if you share or not :-) |
18:59.56 | PulkoMandy | was working with cookies today, but the HTTP flavour |
18:59.58 | TCD | Unless people want a block of cheese, a can of mushroom soup, and some pasta sauce. :p |
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19:04.49 | downey | carols: is that youtube video indeed new? |
19:04.59 | carols | downey: the one i posted today? |
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19:05.22 | downey | carols: yeah, just confirming :) |
19:05.36 | carols | downey: yeah, we're posting videos of people talking about the experience being a student |
19:05.43 | carols | since the way i explain it seems to be so confusing |
19:05.52 | carols | i thought maybe if students explained it it would help |
19:06.01 | carols | but that might be wishful thinking |
19:06.20 | downey | carols: heh, one can hope |
19:06.27 | carols | downey: did you watch it? |
19:06.37 | downey | carols: can't yet, in a hangout |
19:06.40 | carols | iain is awesome :-) |
19:06.43 | carols | it's a great video. |
19:07.17 | meflin | heh my iaian ? |
19:07.31 | carols | meflin: maybe? |
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19:07.38 | carols | meflin: did you watch the video? |
19:08.04 | meflin | starting it now :D |
19:08.08 | carols | :-) |
19:08.30 | meflin | yep |
19:08.35 | carols | cool :-) |
19:08.42 | meflin | I hope he didn't stalk smack about me :D |
19:08.50 | meflin | talk |
19:08.51 | carols | meflin: i guess you'll have to see ;-) |
19:09.16 | meflin | my first student actually |
19:09.26 | carols | meflin: iain is great to have as a first student |
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19:09.40 | meflin | heh yea we turned him into a mentor :D |
19:10.06 | carols | and he founds gsoc just from googling :-) |
19:10.38 | meflin | hist first year he helped other students with there apps for the same project |
19:10.50 | carols | nice |
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19:10.57 | meflin | we noticed ;) |
19:11.11 | carols | amazing what being involved and enthusiastic will get you |
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19:13.07 | meflin | heh he still looks like such a kid :D |
19:13.38 | meflin | he was a great mentor as well |
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19:21.38 | meflin | nope no smack ... heh :D I'm sure I'll get some this MS tho ;) |
19:22.37 | downey | carols: did anything ever become of those interviews recorded during mentor summit? |
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19:23.02 | carols | downey: yes. we're putting together an intro video to go along with them and we'll be publishing them a little later in the year |
19:23.11 | downey | carols: cool :) |
19:23.12 | carols | we thought student videos would be more appropriate this time of year |
19:23.21 | downey | indeed |
19:25.08 | VarunAgw | !stats |
19:25.08 | gsocbot | VarunAgw: I have 2 registered users with 2 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. |
19:25.26 | VarunAgw | These are not program stats |
19:25.36 | carols | VarunAgw: what stats exactly are you looking for? |
19:25.39 | carols | !numapps |
19:25.40 | gsocbot | carols: "numapps" is In 2014, 190 of 371 mentoring orgs were accepted. 2013: 117/417 orgs; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students) |
19:25.41 | carols | those? |
19:25.55 | VarunAgw | Yes, Thanks |
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19:27.16 | carols | yw |
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19:34.07 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
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19:37.15 | gevaerts | decides to have some tea |
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19:38.40 | gevaerts | carols: did you see that http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2014/ospo suffers from the usual "the IRC url isn't ideal" syndrome? |
19:38.48 | gevaerts | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2014/ospo#gsoc%20on%20freenode.net |
19:39.01 | carols | gevaerts: i did, thanks |
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19:40.05 | gevaerts | carols: it may be a good idea to leave it like that, as it will make other org admins feel less bad about it :) |
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19:40.14 | carols | :-) |
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19:42.39 | meflin | irc links seem to be unworkable at least for me |
19:43.36 | gevaerts | They're awkward. Do "proper" irc urls actually work for anyone? |
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19:44.08 | meflin | I think my links are good but none of my 3 browsers handle them ...... |
19:44.47 | meflin | I could I guess google and configure and such .... |
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19:45.32 | meflin | instead I put some links into the wiki on how to irc :D |
19:46.02 | gevaerts | Yes, that and webchat links are about the only things that seem to work |
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19:49.00 | gevaerts | mwilkes|away: http://cantillon-events.be/info says "There is not deadline for the visit-tasting" :) |
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20:07.49 | CFS-MP3 | carols is it common that an organization get less student applications than slots? |
20:07.57 | carols | CFS-MP3: no |
20:08.02 | carols | the reverse is often true though |
20:08.03 | gevaerts | You can't |
20:08.14 | carols | what gevaerts said |
20:08.30 | gevaerts | Slots are only allocated after student applications close, so it's impossible to get more slots than student applications |
20:08.32 | meflin | inconceivable |
20:09.06 | carols | exactly |
20:09.07 | CFS-MP3 | OK then let's me ask it another way - is it common that an organization doesn't get any student application, or that the own organization decides that none of the applications are good enough? |
20:09.19 | carols | CFS-MP3: common? no |
20:09.22 | carols | has it happened? yes. |
20:09.29 | carols | but why do you care? :-) |
20:09.35 | CFS-MP3 | I do care a lot |
20:09.40 | carols | tell me more. |
20:09.45 | CFS-MP3 | for my very small organization this is a huge deal |
20:09.55 | CFS-MP3 | we're taking it extremely seriously |
20:09.59 | carols | CFS-MP3: so you're worried that you're not going to get any applicants? |
20:10.30 | olly | if you aren't buried in interested students at this point, you might want to check your contact details work, that you've set suitable tags in melange, etc |
20:10.32 | CFS-MP3 | carols I'm worried I'm not going we're not going to find 1 or 2 students promising enough, sure :-) |
20:10.42 | carols | CFS-MP3: well, that's a gamble of course.. |
20:10.49 | gevaerts | Make sure students can contact you easily :) |
20:11.03 | FireFly | CFS-MP3: what organization, by the way? |
20:11.05 | carols | CFS-MP3: have you done everything in your power to publicize you involvement in gsoc? |
20:11.19 | CFS-MP3 | olly really? I should be buried already? Now I'm worried. Just got 2 so far |
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20:11.26 | CFS-MP3 | FireFly It's CCExtractor Development |
20:11.46 | gevaerts | If they e.g. have to look around to then find subscription information for a closed mailing list, and then you don't accept their subscriptions quickly, they'll go away :) |
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20:12.08 | meflin | 2 for a new small org isn't bad |
20:12.15 | CFS-MP3 | carols I've written about GSOC in my local GDG communities for example, and one of our key users is an university which I believe plan to do something too |
20:12.21 | carols | great |
20:12.27 | gevaerts | spots list archives :) |
20:12.30 | gevaerts | A good start! |
20:12.52 | CFS-MP3 | gevaerts I'm replying emails about GSOC faster than I reply my wife's emails at this point |
20:12.59 | olly | CFS-MP3: that seems a bit low, though new orgs probably do get less interest |
20:14.14 | carols | CFS-MP3: it's entirely your responsibility to publicize yourself and your gsoc involvement. google's not going to do it for you |
20:14.16 | olly | maybe not having an IRC channel puts some off, though I wouldn't just create an IRC channel if you aren't able to staff it usefully |
20:14.30 | carols | CFS-MP3: so instead of spending energy worrying about not getting enough applicants, put all the energy into more publicity |
20:14.34 | gevaerts | CFS-MP3: I'm mainly saying that because every year there are one or two organisations that seem to be impossible to get in touch with |
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20:14.56 | olly | CFS-MP3: you could probably add a few more tags, like the language(s) project would be in |
20:15.07 | meflin | also have a tea and dont stress out to much |
20:15.13 | carols | what meflin said |
20:15.17 | olly | maybe things like "video" too |
20:15.21 | gevaerts | Or coffee, if you prefer that |
20:15.23 | CFS-MP3 | olly yeah, done :-) Good advice |
20:15.55 | olly | indeed, student applications aren't open yet, and things get busier then |
20:16.03 | meflin | work hard and we have plenty of time to freek out later :D |
20:16.19 | carols | olly: and 60% of the apps come in on the last day :-) |
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20:16.28 | olly | almost every year there's a thread on the mentors list about the student applications being down on last year, and then as the deadline approaches, the flood in faster and faster |
20:16.28 | CFS-MP3 | carols I know. I don't really expect google to publicize me, but I don't want to spam either. I want to make sure I'm doing things right... if I'm not I'm not |
20:16.47 | carols | CFS-MP3: have you done everything in your power to make everyone know about you and your org and gsoc? |
20:16.58 | carols | CFS-MP3: if your answer is yes, then stop worrying :-) |
20:17.01 | olly | there's a graph for debian last year here: http://survex.com/~olly/blog/debian/debian-gsoc-applications-2013.html |
20:17.03 | carols | if your answer is no...then get it to yes |
20:17.05 | edunham | CFS-MP3: link to whatever your project is? I've never heard of it |
20:17.09 | olly | it's often even more of a surge |
20:17.33 | gevaerts | edunham: there's a handy link on http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014 :) |
20:17.36 | olly | http://survex.com/~olly/blog/xapian/xapian-gsoc-applications-for-2012.html for example |
20:17.37 | CFS-MP3 | carols I'm sure I haven't - but often you realize things you could have done when it's late, so best to take a few hints from veterans |
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20:17.51 | edunham | gevaerts: yeah, yeah, serves me right for trying to be lazy... sorry |
20:17.53 | carols | CFS-MP3: sure, good idea :-) |
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20:18.09 | CFS-MP3 | edunham ccextractor.sourceforge.net |
20:18.26 | CFS-MP3 | I've you've ever downloaded a .srt for a TV show... CCExtractor produced it |
20:18.40 | s1991 | carols: i want to ask a general question that org do specify you can suggest some idea, but how can a student can know what actually the org. wants to get done or in what other field do org needs coders |
20:18.51 | carols | s1991: umm |
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20:18.53 | CFS-MP3 | it's the kind of program with not many people actually using it but with millions for users using its output |
20:19.09 | carols | s1991: could you phrase the question differently? i don't think i follow. |
20:19.22 | edunham | s1991: as a student, I look at the org's ideas page then ask in irc with questions |
20:19.47 | edunham | so things the org can do to make the student aware of what the org wants done include having a clear ideas page with contact information, including mailing lists and mentor irc handles, listed |
20:20.08 | s1991 | edunham: but they do specify that you can suggest some other ideas, so how they actually wanted it |
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20:20.47 | gevaerts | s1991: those are the things they may not know they want yet :) |
20:20.54 | olly | s1991: if you think you have an idea of your own, talk to the org about it |
20:21.14 | olly | they can tell you if it's feasible, and help you shape it into a project of a suitable size |
20:21.27 | edunham | s1991: the students should go into irc or the mailing list and ask about similar ideas or changes to project descriptions |
20:21.40 | edunham | s1991: also it's unclear from your wording whether you're a student or mentor |
20:21.44 | gevaerts | I wouldn't recommend going outside the ideas list if you're not familiar with the organisation yet, to be honest |
20:22.03 | s1991 | edunham: ok, got it, i'm a student |
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20:22.27 | edunham | do you have a particular org in mind? |
20:22.28 | s1991 | ok thanks |
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20:38.12 | CFS-MP3 | carols, don't know if this is something for you but, googling for GSOC returns this as the first hit: code.google.com/soc/ - and that's a non-existing page |
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20:38.36 | carols | CFS-MP3: i don't control the google results :-( |
20:38.51 | meflin | my first result is -> http://www.google-melange.com/ |
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20:39.44 | Gentlecat | CFS-MP3: this page works fine on my side |
20:39.49 | CFS-MP3 | carols I know, but maybe you can create that page so the link is OK :-) |
20:39.51 | CFS-MP3 | Gentlecat really? |
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20:40.03 | carols | CFS-MP3: i can't, but thank you for the offer :-) |
20:40.08 | Gentlecat | yes, redirects to https://developers.google.com/open-source/soc/?csw=1 |
20:40.25 | CFS-MP3 | The requested URL /soc/ was not found on this server |
20:40.31 | CFS-MP3 | Gentlecat that's weird |
20:40.33 | CFS-MP3 | OK |
20:40.53 | olly | code.google.com probably isn't a single server |
20:41.15 | CFS-MP3 | OK no worries |
20:41.19 | meflin | welcome to the internet .. its weird ;) |
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20:42.44 | CFS-MP3 | carols are there stats by country? In particular I'd love to find out how many Spanish students applied last year and how many got accepted |
20:42.54 | carols | CFS-MP3: sure, on our blog |
20:43.06 | carols | each year we run the program we post them |
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20:44.02 | CFS-MP3 | found it |
20:44.03 | CFS-MP3 | thanks |
20:44.05 | carols | yw |
20:44.08 | x_cr33d | link ... |
20:44.23 | carols | x_cr33d: did you look for it yourself? |
20:44.40 | derdon | CFS-MP3: google search results are personalized based on your "surfing experience" |
20:45.10 | x_cr33d | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/program/home/google/gsoc2012 |
20:45.26 | olly | derdon: so if you see a lot of 404 links while surfing, google will return more dead links for you? |
20:45.43 | derdon | olly: no, that's not what I meant |
20:45.50 | gevaerts | olly: well, if you seem to like those... :) |
20:46.17 | CFS-MP3 | derdon yes but the weird thing is that the same URL works for Gentlecat and not for me |
20:46.39 | derdon | cache? |
20:46.41 | CFS-MP3 | http://google-opensource.blogspot.com.es/2013/08/google-summer-of-code-full-of-stats.html |
20:46.52 | CFS-MP3 | that seems the last stats |
20:47.03 | CFS-MP3 | anyway I see more Spanish students there (35) than I actually expected |
20:47.08 | x_cr33d | thanks :) .. |
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20:47.51 | derdon | two from Moldavia and I know half of them :) |
20:48.30 | x_cr33d | Highest from india .. |
20:48.46 | x_cr33d | 271 .. |
20:48.50 | derdon | 56 from sri lanka is quite much for such a small country |
20:48.54 | derdon | interesting stats |
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20:51.08 | olly | if it gets actively promoted within a particular university, that can make a huge difference |
20:51.41 | olly | apparently there are courses where the homework is to apply to gsoc |
20:51.51 | meflin | skills/person are the only thing that mater for student apps anyway |
20:52.29 | derdon | yes, interesting nevertheless :-) |
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20:58.15 | meflin | mmm tea |
20:58.23 | carols | good idea meflin |
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21:20.21 | carols | serves more coffee and tea |
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21:22.18 | ravi280 | how to schedule a meeting with mentoring organisations ? |
21:23.09 | terri | ravi280: depends on the organization, but usually sending an email and suggesting some possible times is a start. |
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21:26.00 | ravi280 | where do we get the information about the organisations and their mail ids ? |
21:26.35 | terri | ravi280: Usually their ideas page should have information about how to contact them. |
21:26.54 | carols | ravi280: on their melange homepage. |
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21:28.08 | meflin | carols: memes -> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+ArcRiley/posts/6kNfH5FbtjM |
21:28.38 | carols | meflin: that's an error for me :-( |
21:28.44 | livingstore | same here :( |
21:28.58 | meflin | huh |
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21:29.48 | meflin | how about -> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-RvYr6v7gjf4/Uw0NvoJ3GDI/AAAAAAAAS8w/KwKB4b2NLuc/w633-h893/IrdYVVi.jpg |
21:30.01 | carols | meflin: yep, that works :-) |
21:30.05 | carols | i saw that one, it's great |
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21:32.09 | meflin | grr I forgot to set my tea timer .... heh |
21:32.21 | bryon | OPEN SOURCE IDEA |
21:32.32 | bryon | tea infuser with built-in timer |
21:32.34 | bryon | heh |
21:32.41 | meflin | I would buy that |
21:32.45 | bryon | some mentor somewhere is doing something with tea, right? |
21:32.56 | meflin | umm yea me |
21:33.04 | bryon | are you a mentor? |
21:33.09 | meflin | mostly brewing and drinking tho ;) |
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21:33.15 | meflin | yep |
21:33.19 | bryon | i sign up to work on your infuser project |
21:33.33 | meflin | sadly we have no tea projects :(..... |
21:33.40 | bryon | sucky darn |
21:33.41 | bryon | err |
21:33.43 | bryon | shucky * |
21:33.56 | meflin | its hardware anyway try kickstarter ;) |
21:34.13 | bryon | heh, yeah |
21:34.30 | bryon | who are you with? |
21:34.42 | bryon | i mean, what org? |
21:34.42 | meflin | Python and Syncdiff |
21:34.51 | bryon | ah |
21:35.36 | gevaerts | meflin: actually, searching for tea in the tags on melange does get you one org :) |
21:35.45 | meflin | oh? |
21:35.57 | bryon | "tea"ching |
21:36.01 | bryon | Moodle |
21:36.01 | meflin | perhaps I should add that tag to sync ;) |
21:36.02 | bryon | =] |
21:36.04 | terri | debates if she should put the tea tag on python, just because. :) |
21:36.09 | meflin | heh |
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21:36.33 | meflin | Student requirements : be able to debate tea |
21:36.41 | terri | I'll start a new project for a python tea timer. the org admin will never deny me as a sub-org. ;) |
21:36.52 | bryon | ceylon vs pekoe vs green vs herbal |
21:37.00 | meflin | I dono she can be hard to work with |
21:37.02 | meflin | hides |
21:37.10 | terri | *is* the admin for python, for those who don't know |
21:37.24 | terri | tosses a wet teabag at meflin |
21:37.31 | bryon | terri: i humbly submit my candidacy to work on the tea project =] |
21:37.37 | meflin | ok lipton I deserved that |
21:38.13 | terri | bryon: I don't know, it's a project that only takes expert level tea students. You have to pass an interview with meflin first. ;) |
21:38.26 | bryon | crams on tea. |
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21:38.51 | ravi280 | @carols when will we come to know about the projects that we're gonna work with ? |
21:39.00 | carols | ravi280: now, if you so choose. |
21:39.23 | PulkoMandy | it's up to you to let the project know you want to work with them |
21:39.47 | kblin | evening carols |
21:39.48 | carols | what PulkoMandy said. |
21:39.50 | carols | hey kblin |
21:40.00 | carols | kblin: we all ready for the meeting tomorrow? |
21:40.05 | carols | i'm going to get lots of sleep tonight. |
21:40.16 | kblin | carols: when did we want to enable queueing again? |
21:40.23 | kblin | hopes to get any sleep |
21:40.29 | carols | kblin: a half hour before the meeting. |
21:40.39 | kblin | cologne is crazy with carnival going on |
21:40.49 | carols | kblin: would it be possible for you to change the topic of the channel tomorrow with queueing and nick instructions? |
21:40.54 | carols | in case you're in here before i wake up |
21:41.11 | kblin | sure |
21:41.17 | carols | excellent. much appreciated. |
21:41.31 | carols | i'll try to be up as early as possible, but it's 7am my time |
21:41.42 | carols | well, 7:30 when we start queueing, but.. |
21:43.06 | kblin | I'll change the topic around noon utc, I guess |
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21:43.20 | carols | thanks kblin. |
21:44.07 | kblin | my pleasure |
21:44.51 | stqism | Oh, it's already rejection meeting time? |
21:45.02 | kblin | !when |
21:45.02 | gsocbot | kblin: "when" is later |
21:45.02 | meflin | happy fun time ;P |
21:45.11 | stqism | That went by surprisingly quick |
21:45.18 | scorche|sh | kblin: if you are worried about sleeping, dont forget that I am around too ;) |
21:45.40 | kblin | scorche|sh: I doubt that'll help :) |
21:45.56 | gevaerts | scorche|sh: sleeping under your desk, no doubt! |
21:45.56 | scorche|sh | jussayin' |
21:46.02 | kblin | scorche|sh: I'm worried about sleeping because of all the drunkards outside yelling like crazy |
21:46.13 | scorche|sh | kblin: ah |
21:46.18 | scorche|sh | well, anyway, i am around |
21:46.28 | carols | thanks scorche|sh |
21:46.31 | olly | stqism: it isn't yet, but not too far off |
21:46.36 | carols | i'll probably need both of you tomorrow to corral the hordes |
21:46.44 | scorche|sh | carols: we still on for tomorrow? |
21:46.47 | kblin | thanks, that'll ne handy if the german railway lets me down :) |
21:47.01 | derdon | kblin: I'm really sorry for you :( |
21:47.01 | stqism | olly: Aaah, I wanted to see the fireworks |
21:47.05 | carols | scorche|sh: maybe? it depends of course on how long the meeting goes.. |
21:47.07 | scorche|sh | hell, i may even be able to finish up my work in the morning and then handle the queue by your side carols ;) |
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21:47.28 | olly | stqism: everyone's generally pretty polite about it |
21:47.42 | scorche|sh | stqism: yeah - there generally arent too many fireworks |
21:47.43 | stqism | olly: Stop spoiling it :( |
21:47.50 | kblin | derdon: well, if that's the price to pay for a nice flat close to the city center, I'm happy to just take some days off next year :) |
21:47.53 | stqism | scorche|sh: ^^ |
21:48.31 | derdon | kblin: always see it positive! that's how I like it |
21:48.50 | meflin | I dono my tea mug is 1/2 empty ;) |
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21:49.08 | bryon | meflin: no it's 100% full |
21:49.13 | bryon | just no 100% full of tea |
21:49.23 | bryon | 1/2 tea and 1/2 air |
21:49.28 | gevaerts | meflin: don't worry about it being half empty or half full. Complain about it getting cold! |
21:49.35 | meflin | its a long standing problem :D |
21:49.56 | meflin | gevaerts: you let you tea get cold? unless it is iced? |
21:50.10 | stqism | Iced tea, done. |
21:50.14 | meflin | you obviously do not have a drinking problem ;) |
21:50.15 | gevaerts | meflin: I can't drink it in zero time, so yes :) |
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21:52.51 | meflin | I would start a 12 step MS session for tea .. but after #1 I'm afraid I would say ... lets have a tea! ;) |
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22:48.30 | hkshah | Hello all |
22:48.35 | stqism | Hi |
22:48.46 | hkshah | Is there a way to know the list of selected organizations? |
22:49.14 | terri | hkshah: https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014 |
22:49.32 | terri | or from the main page, click on "see all 190 mentoring organizations" |
22:49.45 | hkshah | Thanks terri! |
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23:26.21 | callam | Hi guys |
23:26.37 | TCD | Hai. |
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23:27.04 | callam | Really looking forward to gsoc this year! |
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