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| 05:50.17 | olly | coderbrahmin: please disable auto-announcing when you're away in this channel |
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| 05:52.18 | coderbrahmin | My apologies olly. Will do that right away . |
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| 07:09.48 | George___ | Who can i talk to about the rejection of my company's application? |
| 07:10.42 | Niharika | George___: You are late. There was a meeting for the same yesterday. |
| 07:11.03 | Niharika | I think you can still put in a mail to Carol though. |
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| 07:12.00 | George___ | Thank you, where can I find her email address? |
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| 07:13.16 | Niharika | George___: I´m not sure. Somebody else here might know. |
| 07:13.50 | Niharika | George___: carols@google.com |
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| 09:36.34 | greene | hello! Blender is one of my choices I wanna work on.just confused if I should opt for it or not coz I practically haven't worked with that software but have done graphics course in my university! |
| 09:38.14 | waldi | why don't you ask them? they may have requirements for students |
| 09:39.41 | greene | yeah.looked up on their page.looked pretty difficult.thought anybody here might have worked there before and could suggest me something. |
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| 09:42.30 | olly | greene: if you want to find people associated with bender, their irc channels or mailing lists are a much more likely place to find them |
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| 09:43.29 | olly | kblin: i guess it probably doesn't matter, but we seem to have ended up with gsocbot and a random user voiced after the meeting |
| 09:44.11 | d3r1ck | kblin: hello |
| 09:44.22 | greene | Thank you, olly. |
| 09:44.24 | d3r1ck | kblin: is carol around? |
| 09:44.59 | olly | d3r1ck: she's unlikely to be, given the time it is in california |
| 09:45.26 | d3r1ck | olly: really? |
| 09:45.37 | d3r1ck | where could she be now !!! |
| 09:45.54 | d3r1ck | olly: could she be sleeping? |
| 09:46.16 | olly | she's rarely on IRC outside working hours on weekdays |
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| 09:48.20 | d3r1ck | olly: ok |
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| 10:40.22 | LordAro | i emailed a potential mentor a couple of days ago, how long should i wait for a response? |
| 10:41.33 | olly | LordAro: i wouldn't worry yet |
| 10:41.42 | LordAro | k |
| 10:42.04 | olly | they may be getting a lot of students contacting them, and most mentors are mentoring in their spare time |
| 10:42.12 | LordAro | that's true |
| 10:42.23 | LordAro | i'm just, sort of excited about this :) |
| 10:42.33 | olly | understandable |
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| 15:02.25 | derdon | I think the phase shortly before GSoC really starts is already a good time for Open Source orgs because of the many small and helpful pull requests :) |
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| 16:56.16 | sag | Hello, I want to ask in generall manner not specifically for any org. that what is expected to be written in proposal. |
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| 16:57.25 | vpatel | hi , i need help can i create profile now in gsoc account |
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| 16:58.44 | VarunAgw | sag, http://codex.wordpress.org/GSoC_2013_Application_Template |
| 16:58.46 | sag | kblin: around? |
| 16:59.19 | VarunAgw | sag, This is just a sample. |
| 16:59.45 | sag | VarunAgw: I wnt to know that does org. expect us to describe project that how we would be doing it in summers |
| 17:00.09 | VarunAgw | vpatel, You will be able to create account after 10 march. |
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| 17:00.22 | vpatel | k |
| 17:00.35 | VarunAgw | sag, ofcourse |
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| 17:01.37 | vpatel | VarunAgw , but i created that all ready in my account |
| 17:02.04 | VarunAgw | Are you talking about melange account? |
| 17:02.32 | vpatel | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/profile/show/google/gsoc2014 |
| 17:02.37 | vpatel | this one |
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| 17:04.21 | VarunAgw | You already have created account here |
| 17:04.29 | vpatel | yes |
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| 17:04.33 | VarunAgw | and are able to view this page? |
| 17:04.36 | vpatel | ya |
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| 17:04.54 | VarunAgw | Then you must have registered as a mentor/administrator |
| 17:05.27 | VarunAgw | I guess you have to create a new account with a different google account now |
| 17:05.35 | PulkoMandy | I don't think so |
| 17:05.51 | PulkoMandy | you can create an account now, pairing it with an org will come later |
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| 17:06.56 | sag | VarunAgw: so one doesn't in actuall require to do the project for proposal, one one require to study a bit nd explain how it can or i'll be doing it in summers |
| 17:07.29 | VarunAgw | Yes |
| 17:07.44 | vpatel | k , so my current account is not work in gsoc2014 |
| 17:08.09 | PulkoMandy | vpatel: you can use your account starting March 10, not before |
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| 17:08.28 | PulkoMandy | inthe meantime, you can start contacting some organisations that have projects you plan to work on |
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| 17:08.42 | PulkoMandy | and discuss with them, so you can prepare your proposal |
| 17:08.46 | sag | vpatel: whatever profile you have create is for mentors and admin |
| 17:08.47 | bipul | vpatel, Read the topic of this channel. |
| 17:08.59 | vpatel | ok |
| 17:09.23 | bipul | vpatel, when you enter any channel, you must read it's FAQ and Channel topic. |
| 17:09.34 | PulkoMandy | sag: no, it's just an empty profile. as long as you don't connect to an organisation, the profile is not student/mentor specific |
| 17:10.30 | sag | ok |
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| 17:11.21 | VarunAgw | It says "If you plan to participate as a student, you should not register as an organization member now." so I assumed it is automatically converted to organisation mentor/account. |
| 17:12.17 | PulkoMandy | no, that's a separate step |
| 17:12.28 | PulkoMandy | you can create an acount, and not register it yet |
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| 17:13.02 | VarunAgw | I was unaware of that because I haven't created account yet |
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| 17:41.44 | neocet1 | gscobot: faq |
| 17:41.56 | neocet1 | gsocbot: faq |
| 17:41.56 | gsocbot | neocet1: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page |
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| 19:43.59 | gsocbot | pbanaszkiewicz: "next" is (#1) The student application period opens on 10th March, or (#2) 28 February 16:00 UTC: IRC meeting with rejected mentoring organizations. |
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| 20:02.42 | yo-gen | Is anybody from the teammates project online right now?? |
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| 20:05.24 | thiago | you'll have more chance of finding them in their IRC channel |
| 20:06.18 | yo-gen | i cant find their irc channel |
| 20:06.34 | TCD | yo-gen: Try the mailing list? |
| 20:07.30 | yo-gen | ok |
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| 20:39.28 | downey | Does anyone know how/where to find a current copy of the Terms agreed by mentors? (Other than attempting to re-register.) |
| 20:40.00 | gevaerts | downey: they're quite simple. "You will enjoy tea: |
| 20:40.00 | gevaerts | " |
| 20:40.09 | downey | gevaerts: That part I've got down :) |
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| 21:13.38 | Guest42321 | anyone there? |
| 21:14.30 | meflin | hmm? |
| 21:14.57 | derdon | heeeloooo echooooo |
| 21:16.10 | phlox81 | anyone seems not to be here. |
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| 21:21.09 | kfogel | whistles |
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| 21:24.21 | phlox81 | upcoming blog post about gsoc & C++, feedback welcome: http://meetingcpp.com/index.php/br/items/cpp-and-the-google-summer-of-code.html |
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| 21:35.29 | sag | can anyone suggest som projects on python and javascript that would be most beneficial with work with and has more chances of being selected.. |
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| 21:40.10 | TCD | sag: The best way to have more chance of being selected is to write a better proposal. :p |
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| 21:40.50 | sag | TCD: one doesn't require to any research work for that projects |
| 21:41.11 | sag | i mean for proposal |
| 21:41.25 | TCD | I thought all the projects require research work, unless you're already very well-versed in that area. |
| 21:42.15 | StephanMeijer | hi |
| 21:42.53 | sag | TCD: so what in generally a student should do resarch for proposal, i mean it should specify in there properly |
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| 21:44.22 | StephanMeijer | I'm not glad to say that I'm only 15. I love to write code but I can't join GSOC. I want to wish everyone a good summer! |
| 21:44.54 | TCD | sag: I'm not one to ask, I'm just picking things up :P |
| 21:45.08 | meflin | sag: find a project you want to do , join the comunity , read code, fix bugs |
| 21:45.38 | downey | StephanMeijer: You can still contribute to open source projects, though. :) And don't forget Google Code-In, if you haven't checked it out yet. |
| 21:45.42 | sag | meflin: is that what make chance more |
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| 21:46.13 | meflin | this isn't a lottery |
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| 21:46.38 | StephanMeijer | downey whag |
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| 21:46.54 | StephanMeijer | downey: what is Code-In? |
| 21:47.01 | downey | StephanMeijer: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/homepage/google/gci2013 |
| 21:47.20 | StephanMeijer | downey: Will check it out. |
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| 21:48.01 | downey | StephanMeijer: One of our organization's newest mentors for this year's GSoC started contributing to our project when he was 15. |
| 21:48.35 | meflin | never underestimate that power of ... doing |
| 21:48.41 | downey | Indeed |
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| 21:49.58 | StephanMeijer | downey: Love to hear that. Can you tell me more about your project? Code-In is really interesting by the way. |
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| 21:50.31 | downey | StephanMeijer: Google 'OpenMRS' or visit us in the #openmrs channel :) |
| 21:51.35 | StephanMeijer | downey: Googled it, very nice! |
| 21:52.28 | StephanMeijer | downey: Can you win any certificates with Code-In? |
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| 21:53.07 | meflin | you mean a paper that says things like you did code in? |
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| 21:53.57 | StephanMeijer | I mean a paper that says what you did during your project during Code-In |
| 21:54.23 | meflin | I think you get one if you finish a task |
| 21:54.58 | meflin | not so much what you did .. more that you finish something and participated |
| 21:55.13 | meflin | there are other rewards |
| 21:55.40 | StephanMeijer | cool, can you tell me more about it? |
| 21:56.32 | meflin | http://www.google-melange.com/gci/document/show/gci_program/google/gci2013/help_page |
| 21:57.03 | StephanMeijer | thank you |
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| 22:00.02 | StephanMeijer | Wow, awasome. I like it. |
| 22:00.33 | meflin | keep you eye out for the 2014 announcement ;) |
| 22:01.11 | StephanMeijer | I will. It's extremely hard to proof yourself at this age. |
| 22:02.30 | StephanMeijer | And I really want to proof myself. I know my qualities and I want to use them. |
| 22:02.42 | meflin | no need to wait :D |
| 22:03.10 | teepee | StephanMeijer: you don't need gsoc to help with an opensource project |
| 22:03.48 | StephanMeijer | haha, I know. I love Open Source projects. |
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| 22:04.06 | teepee | I think the main trick is mostly to start slowly |
| 22:04.37 | StephanMeijer | I'm glad to say I use Open Source. I'm running Debian on my laptop. Glad to say that. |
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| 22:04.49 | teepee | it's mostly more about finding the trust of the people |
| 22:05.15 | StephanMeijer | Yeah, that's right. trus |
| 22:05.30 | StephanMeijer | Trust is one thing, quality is another thing. |
| 22:05.47 | teepee | true |
| 22:06.07 | StephanMeijer | As a software developer, you need to have bnoth. That's my opinion. |
| 22:07.05 | teepee | indeed. and one even more important thing. which is probably the hardest |
| 22:07.53 | teepee | trying to value other peoples solution even if the own one is different |
| 22:08.31 | StephanMeijer | that one is really hard for me. |
| 22:09.00 | teepee | believe me, it's very likely hard for everybody |
| 22:09.28 | StephanMeijer | I always havr the most beautiful solutions, but my boss always have the fastest and cheapest solutions. |
| 22:10.08 | StephanMeijer | It's hard to respect his ugly solutions, but it's important to rwsspect them. |
| 22:10.09 | teepee | ok, that's the business view. that has even more difficult views. mostly because: money :) |
| 22:10.41 | StephanMeijer | That's right ;p |
| 22:10.53 | meflin | I have never ever had the 2nd best solution ;) |
| 22:12.08 | StephanMeijer | Haha, beautiful solutions costs time and cash. I hate the money problem. |
| 22:12.24 | meflin | naw its everyone use-case that is wrong ;) |
| 22:13.04 | StephanMeijer | ahh, yeah, know what you mean. |
| 22:13.23 | teepee | ...which reminds me of https://xkcd.com/1172/ |
| 22:13.51 | StephanMeijer | Haha |
| 22:13.53 | meflin | nice |
| 22:14.14 | StephanMeijer | you are developers, right? |
| 22:14.28 | teepee | is, yes |
| 22:14.46 | meflin | when I take time out of doing gsoc I commit now and then ;) |
| 22:15.35 | StephanMeijer | what languages have you programmed in, what languages do you like to program in? |
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| 22:16.43 | meflin | I think I'm required to answer perl and python here :D |
| 22:16.52 | StephanMeijer | haha, cool |
| 22:17.02 | StephanMeijer | I just love Python. Jaba |
| 22:17.03 | teepee | that's quite a list by now... lately mostly c, c++, c#, obj-c, perl, python, java :) |
| 22:17.33 | StephanMeijer | Java is a cool language, PHP sucks but Ive got much experience with it. |
| 22:17.43 | meflin | when your the Python admin I think you to claim it first right? ;) |
| 22:18.17 | StephanMeijer | I dont habe any experience with programming in Perl, I love C / C++ |
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| 22:19.08 | StephanMeijer | On what platforms are you developing? |
| 22:19.29 | gevaerts | wants to learn c/c++ one of these days, but it seems to be *very* hard to find a compiler for it |
| 22:19.35 | meflin | all the platforms |
| 22:19.38 | StephanMeijer | GCC ftw |
| 22:19.44 | meflin | heh |
| 22:19.50 | gevaerts | gcc has a C compiler and it has a C++ compiler |
| 22:19.55 | gevaerts | But it doesn't have a C/C++ compiler |
| 22:20.21 | StephanMeijer | I am developing on Linux (Debian). GCC is beautiful to use as a compiler. |
| 22:20.37 | derdon | gevaerts: ++ |
| 22:21.02 | gevaerts | throws things at derdon :) |
| 22:21.16 | meflin | StephanMeijer: be warned you have now entered the land of dev's making jokes :D |
| 22:21.32 | StephanMeijer | ohh, cool |
| 22:21.54 | meflin | passes a tea when gevaerts's gets going it can be very good |
| 22:22.10 | gevaerts | meflin: I wasn't joking! |
| 22:22.27 | derdon | it's really hard to find a compiler for C/C++, gevaerts is right |
| 22:22.29 | meflin | gevaerts: its compiled differernt here ;) |
| 22:22.30 | gevaerts | People keep talking about this wonderful c/c++ language, and I want to know more! |
| 22:22.37 | StephanMeijer | Just made a new piece of software, a Daemon to convert Video to thumbnails and to convert it to other formats. I will put it on Github tomorrow. |
| 22:22.42 | TCD | Given the amount of tea circulating in here, I would've thought gsoc was entirely british. |
| 22:23.04 | teepee | blinks |
| 22:23.07 | teepee | it isn't? |
| 22:23.17 | derdon | TCD: but we're in fact all chinese |
| 22:23.19 | meflin | the british dont have all that much good tea ;) |
| 22:23.30 | StephanMeijer | Written in Python. Communication with other processes usong Sockets + JSON. |
| 22:23.33 | downey | TCD: http://i.imgur.com/IrdYVVi.jpg |
| 22:23.41 | StephanMeijer | love multiprocessing btw |
| 22:23.49 | TCD | I see I have found a new home. |
| 22:24.07 | meflin | TCD: I dono you just insulted most of the worlds tea ;) |
| 22:24.28 | TCD | I never said britain makes good tea.. |
| 22:24.52 | StephanMeijer | i hate tea |
| 22:24.58 | meflin | well in that case your channel approval will rest on the tea ;) |
| 22:25.03 | meflin | StephanMeijer: no one is perfect |
| 22:25.16 | StephanMeijer | haha, just give me a coffee |
| 22:25.29 | TCD | At least he doesn't put sugar in his tea. |
| 22:25.48 | StephanMeijer | I actually do |
| 22:25.52 | meflin | sugar/lemon/dairy are valid tea options |
| 22:26.00 | derdon | what about honey? |
| 22:26.03 | meflin | so is wisky if the time is right |
| 22:26.07 | TCD | what about more tea? |
| 22:26.12 | meflin | derdon: depends greatly on the honey |
| 22:26.19 | derdon | meflin: and on the tea of course |
| 22:26.30 | meflin | much like paring wine |
| 22:26.51 | derdon | I'm not a wine drinker, so can't say anything about it |
| 22:27.01 | meflin | right honey for the right tea |
| 22:27.29 | meflin | big bold oat and mesquite honeys are good for things like Lapsing sourong (sp ) |
| 22:27.41 | StephanMeijer | Coffee, anyone? |
| 22:27.52 | meflin | a mild green with one of those ... ewww |
| 22:28.02 | teepee | o/ |
| 22:28.18 | meflin | StephanMeijer: have a cupa Hawaiian |
| 22:28.34 | derdon | StephanMeijer: how dare you using that word! |
| 22:28.46 | StephanMeijer | im so sorry!! |
| 22:28.52 | meflin | no now coffee is allowed |
| 22:28.59 | derdon | it is? |
| 22:28.59 | StephanMeijer | Excuse me! |
| 22:29.11 | meflin | derdon: yes carols serves it all the time |
| 22:29.36 | meflin | a bit of a coffee snob myself I mostly dont drink it .. it sets off my acid reflex :( |
| 22:29.54 | derdon | I need it every morning. |
| 22:30.05 | StephanMeijer | are there any develooers running Linux by the way? |
| 22:30.06 | derdon | and tea for the evening :) |
| 22:30.11 | derdon | StephanMeijer: yep |
| 22:30.21 | derdon | StephanMeijer: better ask who is not using it ;) |
| 22:30.30 | meflin | derdon: oddly its morning tea for me and the rare coffee is with dinner :D |
| 22:30.32 | StephanMeijer | Love to hear that! Which distyro? |
| 22:30.47 | meflin | given the list here probably all of them |
| 22:30.48 | derdon | meflin: that's indeed odd :D |
| 22:30.49 | StephanMeijer | distro* , excuse me |
| 22:30.50 | teepee | is running Debian Jessie |
| 22:31.13 | derdon | StephanMeijer: Sabayon! You've probably never heard of it, I know it before it gets cool |
| 22:31.35 | TCD | I run Ubuntu Windows. |
| 22:31.42 | teepee | and for even more fun, it's running on a MacBookPro :) |
| 22:31.46 | StephanMeijer | Oehlala, im running Ubuntu 13.04 because my Debian 7.2 broke |
| 22:31.50 | meflin | I know that fedora, centos, gentoo are all represnted here |
| 22:32.08 | TCD | if you go into basically any dev channel and say 'is anyone running linux'... :p |
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| 22:32.53 | teepee | indeed, we even build the installers for windows on linux ;) |
| 22:33.17 | StephanMeijer | all my dev friends, are Windows developers.. |
| 22:33.29 | TCD | I'm a windows dev...but I'll admit, it gets a bit frustrating. |
| 22:33.46 | TCD | However it's a bit of frustration in comparison to continuous frustration under linux. |
| 22:33.48 | TCD | ducks. |
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| 22:33.59 | StephanMeijer | they know me as 'They Windows Hater' |
| 22:34.15 | StephanMeijer | typo, The* |
| 22:34.34 | teepee | can accept people who write programs in notepad |
| 22:34.47 | derdon | loves everyone |
| 22:34.50 | StephanMeijer | Sublime FTW |
| 22:34.53 | meflin | I dont care what anyone uses |
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| 22:36.17 | StephanMeijer | My carreer started when I was 14 (I'm 15 now). |
| 22:36.53 | StephanMeijer | I'm currently working for a Dutch webshop as a Developer . |
| 22:37.12 | StephanMeijer | Pays really well, nice job. |
| 22:37.32 | StephanMeijer | My days are like school, sleeping, programming |
| 22:37.48 | teepee | you have to work on that sleep thing ;) |
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| 22:39.12 | StephanMeijer | my nights are horrible. sleeping less so my days aee longer and I can program longer |
| 22:39.29 | TCD | don't neglect your sleep.. |
| 22:39.34 | StephanMeijer | Im addicted to programming |
| 22:40.19 | thiago | loves sleeping |
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| 22:40.42 | StephanMeijer | loves to program. |
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| 22:42.28 | StephanMeijer | im currently working on my own project |
| 22:42.50 | StephanMeijer | its like Dropbox, but safe. Really safe |
| 22:43.12 | derdon | and also without the cloud part? |
| 22:43.12 | StephanMeijer | and people can host it theirselves |
| 22:43.25 | thiago | I already have that. It's called VPS + rsync. |
| 22:43.34 | StephanMeijer | haha, with the Cloud part. |
| 22:44.03 | thiago | any cloud is secure, provided you encrypt before sending to the cloud |
| 22:44.14 | gevaerts | asks StephanMeijer to define "cloud" first |
| 22:44.19 | meflin | (snort* |
| 22:44.30 | thiago | so all I need is an open source client I can audit and ensure of the encryption |
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| 22:44.46 | StephanMeijer | thiago: aes256cbc ftw |
| 22:45.04 | StephanMeijer | My stuff will be licensed under GPL |
| 22:45.10 | thiago | like I said, all I need is an open source client to do the encryption. Then any cloud is secure. |
| 22:47.00 | StephanMeijer | Read my message. I am currently making an open source client and server with cool features |
| 22:47.27 | StephanMeijer | Features no one ever thought about. |
| 22:47.54 | thiago | is that a client for one of the existing, open source cloud stacks? |
| 22:48.03 | gevaerts | Ah, the enthusiasm of youth... :) |
| 22:48.15 | derdon | you should work for Apple! |
| 22:48.24 | derdon | they need people like you for the presentations |
| 22:48.44 | derdon | "I have the features no one ever thought about" <3 |
| 22:48.48 | StephanMeijer | I will have a presentation about my Cloud system btw |
| 22:49.08 | StephanMeijer | for 50 - 75 people |
| 22:49.30 | thiago | are you collaborating with one of the existing stacks? |
| 22:49.40 | derdon | please tell me that you used Keynote for creating it |
| 22:50.07 | StephanMeijer | with stacvks you mean the existing projcts like Dropbx and drive? |
| 22:50.32 | StephanMeijer | haha, LibreOffice |
| 22:50.52 | thiago | I meant like OpenStack or ownCloud |
| 22:51.02 | thiago | are you collaborating with existing cloud projects? |
| 22:51.07 | StephanMeijer | no |
| 22:51.13 | thiago | why not? |
| 22:51.58 | StephanMeijer | I will make my own system like Owncloud. |
| 22:52.08 | meflin | snicker |
| 22:52.14 | thiago | again, why? |
| 22:52.25 | thiago | do you have a reason not to join the existing projects? |
| 22:52.32 | StephanMeijer | Because of a crew ure |
| 22:52.39 | StephanMeijer | feature |
| 22:52.40 | thiago | a what? |
| 22:52.47 | StephanMeijer | a feature, sorry, typo |
| 22:52.50 | thiago | still doesn't make sense |
| 22:52.59 | thiago | how does a feature make you not want to join them? |
| 22:53.26 | StephanMeijer | the feature is unique, and never used. |
| 22:53.35 | thiago | if it's never used, it's useless |
| 22:53.37 | gevaerts | If it's never used, why would you implement it? |
| 22:53.41 | thiago | so it shouldn't affect any decision |
| 22:53.50 | thiago | care to give us another reason? |
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| 22:53.59 | StephanMeijer | because it has the ability to save a lot of diskspace |
| 22:54.11 | thiago | ok |
| 22:54.17 | thiago | that still doesn't explain |
| 22:54.22 | thiago | why can't you join an existing project? |
| 22:54.43 | gevaerts | I can think of two ways to save diskspace. Both have been used, and are quite common. What's the third? |
| 22:55.09 | StephanMeijer | With join, you mean join a team? |
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| 22:55.29 | StephanMeijer | the third is the encrypted variant based on one of the two |
| 22:55.44 | thiago | StephanMeijer: yes, join an existing project |
| 22:55.53 | thiago | there are more than one open source cloud stacks |
| 22:56.01 | thiago | why can't you join them and bring your feature and ideas to them? |
| 22:56.09 | gevaerts | implements the encrypted variant of deleting files :) |
| 22:56.23 | thiago | gevaerts: :-) |
| 22:56.32 | StephanMeijer | hahahaha, i didnt mean that |
| 22:57.15 | StephanMeijer | If I will be able to sell my software for commercial use, I will be able to make a company of it. |
| 22:57.18 | TCD | sudo rm :p |
| 22:57.23 | gevaerts | Well, if you can do deduplication of data that's encrypted with different keys without leaking data, I'd be quite impressed |
| 22:57.29 | StephanMeijer | that's my goal. |
| 22:57.39 | gevaerts | But allow me to be dubious for now |
| 22:57.48 | StephanMeijer | gevaerts, I can actually do that |
| 22:58.04 | thiago | StephanMeijer: we're talking about open source here |
| 22:58.07 | StephanMeijer | but not with different keys |
| 22:58.14 | thiago | StephanMeijer: this is #gsoc. |
| 22:58.27 | StephanMeijer | Open Source can be sold. |
| 22:58.31 | gevaerts | StephanMeijer: in that case, I don't see the big innovation here |
| 22:58.35 | thiago | not the source code |
| 22:58.37 | TCD | #spartaaaa |
| 22:58.51 | derdon | thiago: source code may be sold even if it's open source |
| 22:58.53 | thiago | if you make your cloud server open source, everyone can copy it and therefore everyone has the feature |
| 22:59.00 | thiago | derdon: yes, but only once |
| 22:59.18 | StephanMeijer | thaigo, commercial use.. |
| 22:59.23 | derdon | thiago: I may sell to you the linux kernel how often I want as long as you like to pay me :D |
| 22:59.36 | thiago | derdon: exactly. I won't like to pay you more than once. |
| 22:59.37 | gevaerts | StephanMeijer: I thought you mentioned the GPL? |
| 22:59.48 | thiago | derdon: besides, as soon as you sell me, I can give it for free to everyone else |
| 22:59.53 | thiago | derdon: so, sell once only. |
| 22:59.55 | gevaerts | So what's special about commercial use? |
| 23:00.00 | derdon | thiago: right |
| 23:00.09 | StephanMeijer | lets stop crying about the licensing stuff |
| 23:00.15 | thiago | StephanMeijer: we're not crying |
| 23:00.24 | thiago | StephanMeijer: this is #gsoc. It's about open source. |
| 23:00.39 | thiago | if you have an idea you want to keep proprietary and make money of, good for you. |
| 23:00.40 | StephanMeijer | Dont get me wrong, i meant, lets focus on the technologhies. |
| 23:00.41 | thiago | but we don't care. |
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| 23:01.10 | StephanMeijer | I think you do. |
| 23:01.24 | gevaerts | 23:45:04 <StephanMeijer> My stuff will be licensed under GPL |
| 23:01.39 | gevaerts | So where does this "commercial use" thing come from? |
| 23:02.06 | thiago | we don't care about your commercial ideas. |
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| 23:02.12 | StephanMeijer | gevaerts, ever heard abnout the cost of OwnCloud for commercial use? |
| 23:02.18 | StephanMeijer | still Open source |
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| 23:02.41 | thiago | "pay me to run a service for you" is not the same as "pay me to give you the source code" |
| 23:03.20 | thiago | do you want to sell the software, or just a service? |
| 23:03.35 | gevaerts | StephanMeijer: the cost of owncloud for commercial use is zero if I like |
| 23:03.55 | gevaerts | has read those licenses :) |
| 23:04.10 | StephanMeijer | multiple people can have the same key to encrypt a file with |
| 23:04.33 | gevaerts | Sure, but then that key might as well be public |
| 23:04.46 | StephanMeijer | because they all know one specific thingf abnout the file.. it's content |
| 23:07.32 | StephanMeijer | the silence of this chat.. |
| 23:07.41 | thiago | is because you've stopped answering the questions |
| 23:07.59 | phlox81 | CLOUD = Can('t) locate our users data. *scnr* |
| 23:08.09 | thiago | phlox81: :-) |
| 23:08.10 | StephanMeijer | I just answered one |
| 23:08.17 | thiago | StephanMeijer: not mine |
| 23:08.21 | gevaerts | StephanMeijer: if I know the content of a file, I don't need to access it |
| 23:08.44 | StephanMeijer | you do, because it's yuour file |
| 23:09.37 | StephanMeijer | There might be a way to encrypt the file with the content of the file. |
| 23:09.57 | gevaerts | Maybe we don't use the same meaning for "knowing the content of a file" |
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| 23:10.12 | StephanMeijer | some of you may know what I mean, some of you won't |
| 23:10.15 | gevaerts | I understand that as "knowing which bytes are in the file" |
| 23:10.21 | thiago | 15:03 < thiago> do you want to sell the software, or just a service? |
| 23:10.33 | gevaerts | I'm starting to suspect *you* don't know what you mean |
| 23:10.47 | thiago | agrees with gevaerts |
| 23:11.30 | derdon | agrees with thiago |
| 23:11.52 | TCD | agrees with TCD |
| 23:11.59 | derdon | how selfish! |
| 23:12.09 | StephanMeijer | I will not give you any more information. by the end of next month I will be able to send you the source code, if you want. |
| 23:12.24 | gevaerts | gives derdon an oyster :) |
| 23:12.37 | thiago | StephanMeijer: we are not interested in buying source code |
| 23:12.44 | thiago | StephanMeijer: this is #gsoc. We care about open source. |
| 23:12.50 | gevaerts | thiago: well, it will be GPL :) |
| 23:12.54 | derdon | gevaerts: what shall I do with it? |
| 23:12.56 | StephanMeijer | free for personal use |
| 23:13.02 | thiago | StephanMeijer: open source |
| 23:13.09 | thiago | StephanMeijer: we don't care about those freeware licenses |
| 23:13.09 | gevaerts | StephanMeijer: which is it? GPL or free for personal use? |
| 23:13.16 | gevaerts | It can't be both |
| 23:13.19 | TCD | gevaerts: Maybe it means General Proprietary License in this case ;) |
| 23:13.23 | gevaerts | derdon: you ashed for shellfish! |
| 23:14.06 | StephanMeijer | maybe an idea to copy OwnCloud's licenses next time |
| 23:14.22 | derdon | now sing all the free software song! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sJUDx7iEJw |
| 23:14.23 | thiago | owncloud is open source |
| 23:14.27 | gevaerts | As far as I can figure out, owncloud is AGPL, for which the same applies |
| 23:14.28 | thiago | they don't sell their software |
| 23:14.30 | derdon | everyone together! one, two, three |
| 23:15.13 | gevaerts | thiago: I think they might sell a non-AGPL one to people who believe the "not business friendly" lies |
| 23:15.28 | thiago | that's dual licensing |
| 23:15.38 | gevaerts | nods |
| 23:15.39 | thiago | it might be true |
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| 23:17.17 | gevaerts | Anyway, it's been an interesting chat with dubious technical claims and misunderstanding what licenses actually say. What more can we ask for? :) |
| 23:17.40 | teepee | tea maybe? |
| 23:17.47 | gevaerts | We had that too, I think! |
| 23:17.54 | StephanMeijer | going to sleep, that claims are all true |
| 23:18.15 | StephanMeijer | I can proof them with code and beer |
| 23:18.16 | gevaerts | Believe what you want :) |
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| 23:18.31 | TCD | StephanMeijer: You're too young to drink! :p |
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| 23:18.42 | gevaerts | Just don't complain if people then take your GPL code and use it as they see fit |
| 23:19.09 | gevaerts | And don't complain if I refuse to look at the code if it's *not* under an open source license |
| 23:19.25 | StephanMeijer | hmm, you might be right |
| 23:20.34 | phlox81 | maybe this would be the right license https://github.com/adnam/Rude-Software-License |
| 23:21.09 | StephanMeijer | if you have any more quesrions or comments, contact me by mail. me@stephanmeijer.com |
| 23:21.11 | unitraxx | genius license |
| 23:21.34 | StephanMeijer | phlox81: will check it out,thx |
| 23:21.42 | StephanMeijer | havea good noght,everyone |
| 23:23.12 | gevaerts | goodnight! |
| 23:23.30 | StephanMeijer | byyee, sleep well |
| 23:25.06 | derdon | nice commit: https://github.com/adnam/Rude-Software-License/commit/660402d5d56d2e23bf918a2a677027c5a3467fe7 |
| 23:26.44 | gevaerts | phlox81: I recommend avoiding the RSL if you want to get ingo gsoc |
| 23:27.26 | olly | yeah, given carols wasn't keen on a project called "damn" |
| 23:28.22 | gevaerts | fondly remembers the days when he was young, when he had original ideas he could probably implement in a few days, no trouble |
| 23:28.42 | olly | they missed a trick though - should have called it something with a rude acronym |
| 23:28.59 | derdon | gevaerts: back when you became a millionaire because of your original ideas? |
| 23:29.12 | gevaerts | derdon: I was going to, but then I got distracted! |
| 23:29.17 | derdon | haha |
| 23:29.18 | unitraxx | That guy sure has some healthy confidence |
| 23:29.35 | derdon | is it confidence? |
| 23:29.48 | unitraxx | We can call it a lot |
| 23:30.17 | olly | has a pro tip for becoming a millionaire |
| 23:30.30 | andrew_sz | let me hear that tip :D |
| 23:30.30 | unitraxx | moving to zimbabwe? |
| 23:30.31 | olly | move to a country where the currency unit is worth less |
| 23:30.36 | gevaerts | olly: you mean something like "Delicate Agreeable Microkernel Network"? |
| 23:31.00 | olly | i'm twice as close since moving to NZ |
| 23:31.23 | andrew_sz | olly: do you have any tips for who lives in a country where currency unit is so low? :D |
| 23:31.34 | gevaerts | olly: there's a tip from (IIRC) Richard Branson on how to become a millionaire. He recommends starting out as a billionaire and then invest in an airline |
| 23:32.36 | olly | gevaerts: heh |
| 23:32.48 | andrew_sz | Do you know how I became a millionaire? |
| 23:33.01 | gevaerts | andrew_sz: you are one, if you want to be |
| 23:33.05 | andrew_sz | I was a billionaire before... :D |
| 23:33.14 | gevaerts | :) |
| 23:33.38 | gevaerts | andrew_sz: and you became a billionaire by selling second-hand jokes, I see :) |
| 23:34.11 | andrew_sz | I dont charge anything for them :) |
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| 23:34.41 | gevaerts | Oh, I see! You use them to keep the competition away :) |
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| 23:35.11 | andrew_sz | Exactly :D |
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| 23:37.15 | phlox81 | btw. thiago, did Qt not get accepted or does Qt not participate this year? |
| 23:37.44 | phlox81 | gevaerts I'll might be a mentor some day, but sure not a student... |
| 23:38.16 | gevaerts | phlox81: well, as a student you're rather unlikely to have much say on the license anyway |
| 23:38.30 | phlox81 | true |
| 23:38.36 | gevaerts | Was Qt ever in gsoc? |
| 23:39.12 | thiago | no |
| 23:39.17 | thiago | we applied once and didn't get accepted |
| 23:39.27 | thiago | that was 2012 |
| 23:39.27 | olly | in 2012 it seems |
| 23:39.33 | olly | wins |
| 23:39.38 | phlox81 | yeah, that what I found in the wiki |
| 23:40.07 | thiago | we haven't applied again |
| 23:40.22 | gevaerts | grep told me there was no match in ideas page urls |
| 23:40.53 | gevaerts | Or org urls, I don't remember... |
| 23:41.06 | meflin | there is a very small project that uses qt alot that is in |
| 23:41.13 | thiago | yes |
| 23:41.25 | olly | doxygen? |
| 23:41.31 | meflin | kde |
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| 23:53.51 | gevaerts | decides to sleep |
| 23:53.53 | gevaerts | Goodnight! |
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| 23:57.28 | TCD | night |
