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02:37.48edsiper!next
02:37.50gsocbotedsiper: "next" is The student application period opens on 10th March
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02:41.12ollygsocbot: learn next as The student application period opens at 19:00UTC on 10th March
02:41.13gsocbotolly: "next" is (#1) The student application period opens on 10th March, or (#2) The student application period opens at 19:00UTC on 10th March
02:41.18olly!forget next 1
02:41.20gsocbotolly: "next" is The student application period opens at 19:00UTC on 10th March
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02:53.33new..
02:53.44new^.^
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02:54.20newhi evry1,this is adam, and i am new to gsoc
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02:55.02newcan any1 tell me what type of projects cn be listed by students on gsoc?
02:55.45DaSpiritHave you been to the website? There are several organizations, each with their own ideas list.
02:57.16newhttp://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/search/google/gsoc2014, is this the site?  and the project is to be listed by student or a student has to choose project already listed by org?
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02:57.42DaSpiritYou choose an organization and you make a proposal for that organization.
02:57.50DaSpiritEach organization has an ideas list, and you can choose one of those.
02:58.02DaSpiritOr, you can make your own proposal for the organization.
02:58.55newI see, is orgs are listed somewhere for gsoc 2014?
02:59.16DaSpirithttp://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014
03:00.32newoh thanks for site DaSpirit!
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03:33.45XiqingongziIs OP there?
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03:35.31XiqingongziI want to ask some questions.
03:35.35ollyXiqingongzi: just ask your question - if someone can answer they will
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03:37.08Xiqingongzii am not a college students,But i worked for OpenSource Project Before,Can I Join GSOC,I am a High School Student.
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03:38.31ollyXiqingongzi: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#2._Whos_eligible_to_participate_as_a
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03:39.00ollyyou need to be at least 18 on 21st April too
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03:39.31ollywhich excludes most high school students (though not all)
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03:40.29Xiqingongziyes,i'm 18 years old
03:41.17ollywell, you need to be able to show you've been accepted by a university on or by 21st April
03:41.19Xiqingongzii borned in 1996/02/24，so,I could Join GSOC?
03:41.56thiagoyou were born, you didn't bear on that day
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03:42.18XiqingongziOMG,In China,We Test On  7,8 June
03:42.23thiagoXiqingongzi: the GSoC eligibility guidelines ask that you're 18 years or older on a given date. What date is it?
03:42.42ollythiago: we covered that - 21st April
03:43.09ollyso Xiqingongzi is fine on the age requirement
03:43.09thiagoolly: I know and you know it
03:43.22thiagoI'm asking him to think
03:43.33XiqingongziOk,It seem that I Just can join GSOC:'(
03:43.45Xiqingongziin2015
03:44.09ollyXiqingongzi: i'm afraid so if you won't know until June
03:44.23ollyyou can still contribute to open source projects, just not as a part of gsoc
03:45.10Xiqingongziyeah,Now,I worked as a DocumentEditor for a OpenSource Blog
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03:46.51ollyok, cool - it's just some students don't seem to realise that most open source projects welcome new contributors, so gsoc isn't the only way to get involved
03:49.13XiqingongziI just perfer Google  Than Baidu
03:49.34XiqingongziGoogle is useful on Programming
03:49.43XiqingongziBaidu is bad.
03:51.27XiqingongziThanks For your Reply,I will Offline, Bye.
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04:08.45stqismolly: Funny how that works
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04:56.46d3r1ckkblin: i am working on my proposal
04:57.19d3r1ckkblin: what can be some things that can make your proposal to be accepted?
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04:58.38ollyd3r1ck: http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch008_writing-a-proposal/ has some tips
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05:03.54joshwambua!next
05:03.56gsocbotjoshwambua: "next" is The student application period opens at 19:00UTC on 10th March
05:04.27ollywonders when the first person will ask why it's not open yet
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05:13.14novochenwhy it's not open yet?
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05:20.37thiagonovochen: it's not open because it's not 19:00 UTC on 10th March yet
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05:22.42stqismnovochen: thiago It actually has a countdown on the website.
05:22.57d3r1ckolly: the link you send is not working.
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05:23.36stqismd3r1ck: It worked here.
05:23.44ollyd3r1ck: WFM
05:23.59d3r1ckstqism: send to me again stqism
05:24.06d3r1ckolly: what is WFM?
05:24.11stqismd3r1ck: http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch008_writing-a-proposal/
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05:24.17ollyWorks For Me
05:24.34d3r1ckyes , now working
05:24.45stqismolly: Oh, to answer your question, not long ago ;)
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05:25.40ollywonders when the first person will ask not in response to me wondering when the first person will ask
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05:36.48rkmohapatradoes every project ideas suggested by the organization get accepted
05:36.59ollyrkmohapatra: no
05:37.20ollygoogle allocate each org a certain number of student slots
05:37.28ollythe org decides which proposals they want to accept
05:38.22rkmohapatrahow can we know wich organization has how may slot
05:38.29ollynobody knows yet
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05:38.42ollyit depends partly on how many good proposals they get
05:39.12ollyif you're a student, I wouldn't obsess about the slots
05:39.26ollysubmit a good proposal to an org you really like
05:39.37ollyif you have time, consider a second proposal to a second org you like
05:39.49ollyand respond to any questions from the orgs promptly
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05:41.15rkmohapatrabut every org gets a slot
05:41.31ollyunless they ask for no slots, yes
05:41.45ollyif an org get no good proposals, they don't have to take any students
05:41.53ollyit's rare, but has happened apparently
05:42.04rkmohapatraolly:thank you
05:42.45manofsnowhey olly thanks for helping people all day, it means a lot
05:43.14ollynp
05:43.28ollyi've been waiting for thinks to compile or run quite a lot...
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05:51.21d3r1ckolly: which organisation do you want to work with?
05:52.07stqismolly isn't a student, d3r1ck
05:52.18d3r1ckstqism: really?
05:52.34d3r1ckolly: so what are you?
05:52.36stqismd3r1ck: I'm 99% sure no.
05:52.46stqismHe's either a mentor org admin, or a mentor
05:52.53stqismPretty sure an admin
05:52.58d3r1ckstqism: ok
05:53.10d3r1ckand you stqism, what about you?
05:53.44stqismd3r1ck: I'm a mentor org admin
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05:55.31ollyis indeed an org admin
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06:06.17fauconwhat are the criteria for student to participate in gsoc2014?
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06:08.50thiagofaucon: it's on the website
06:09.06fauconurl?
06:09.08olly!eligibility | faucon
06:09.08gsocbotfaucon: "eligibility" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#1._Are_there_any_age_restrictions_on
06:09.45fauconthnkx ;-)
06:12.22manofsnowI dont care how good you think you are with computers
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09:56.32degasusIs there a difference in applying exactly in 9 hours vs doing it in the next days?
09:57.03d3r1ckdegasus: yes
09:57.19PulkoMandywell, it doesn't automatically maje your application better
09:57.31PulkoMandybut it gives more time to the mentors to review it and tell you how to improve it
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09:58.09PulkoMandy(some organizations would even allow you to send a draft by e-mail or so even before this, so you can get even more time)
10:02.32CFS-MP3degasus I know we will be checking proposals as they arrive and providing feedback as quickly as possible...
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10:17.02degasusBut still, google won't look closely at the applications, will they? I'm fine when only the orgs will evaluate them :D
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10:18.20bipulwhere the student can register ?
10:19.34PulkoMandydegasus: google doesn't look at the applications at all
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10:20.25PulkoMandybipul: not yet - it opens in 8 hours or something like that
10:22.16abhi001_what would be a good project for gsoc
10:24.26degasusabhi001_: tbh, trolling?
10:24.34LordAroabhi001_: you should be working that out for yourself
10:25.16abhi001_please give a example of simple project
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10:27.05degasusabhi001_: an easy one to work or an easy one to get approved?
10:27.55abhi001_an easy one to understand..
10:28.23abhi001_what is a project and how to do it
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10:35.28degasusabhi001_: sorry, I'm just trolling. All projects are *much* harder than finding a good project (hint: all orgs have an idea page)
10:36.51abhi001_okay
10:37.24ollyabhi001_: try typing things you know (languages, technologies, etc) into the tag search on the org list to narrow down the orgs to look at
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10:44.37abhi001_can i represent my own idea which does not relate orgs idea
10:44.52abhi001_??
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10:45.31ollyabhi001_: you can, but if it doesn't relate to the org's software, it'll likely be ignored
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10:47.43abhi001_how to know what is requirement of orgs?? i visited idea page but couldn't find
10:49.38abhi001_<olly>:how to know what is requirement of orgs?? i visited idea page but couldn't find
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10:50.07abhi001_<olly> how to know what is requirement of orgs?? i visited idea page but couldn't find
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10:50.38ollydoesn't understand what you're asking
10:50.42abhi001_olly
10:50.42ollyasking it twice doesn't help
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10:51.02PulkoMandyjust ask the organization
10:51.13PulkoMandythey probably have an IRC channel or mailing list or some other way to contact them
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11:11.04gopeshcan multiple proposals be accepted by google for same open source project if it is listed in the ideas page of mentoring organization
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11:26.32fewchagopesh: Which organization are you talking about?
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13:05.49gribozavris there anything I should do to register as a mentor at this point?
13:06.23NiharikaToo late, it´s gone, it won´t come back...
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13:07.27darnirHah. As far as I'm aware, you can register whenever you want as a mentor.
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13:08.55gribozavrdarnir: I see!  thanks!  there is an interesting gsoc proposal that I'd like to mentor, and I wonder if there is any FAQ that I could read to become faimliar with this process
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13:09.29darnirgribozavr: Try reasing the mentoring manual on flossmanuals
13:09.43darnirgribozavr: http://en.flossmanuals.net/gsocmentoring/
13:11.13gribozavrdarnir: thanks!
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13:11.19darnirSure
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13:15.20ollygribozavr: org pick mentors from among their existing communities
13:16.00gribozavrolly: oh, I see.  so as long as the student and the project gets accepted, the mentor will be selected later?
13:16.28darnirNo, usually the mentor is someone who has been with the community for a while and knows the relevant codebase thoroughly
13:16.37darnirAnd also the functioning of the community.
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13:17.09ollyorg are very unlikely to take a mentor they've never heard of
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13:17.14gribozavrdarnir: sure.  I just want to understand if I should do anything more than discussing the proposal on the malinig list with the student
13:17.14olly*orgs
13:17.43darnirgribozavr: Yes. You should be a known figure in the organization before you become a mentor.
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13:17.59ollyif you're already involved, then you'll want to sign up in melange and ask to mentor for the org you're involved with
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13:18.14gribozavrdarnir: yes, I am already a long-time contributor
13:18.44gribozavrolly: here? https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/profile/register/org_member/google/gsoc2014
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13:19.22ollygribozavr: that URL looks plausible
13:20.03ollyi have a profile already though, so I can't really check
13:20.24ollyonce you've a profile, you need to "make a connection" or something like that
13:20.39ollythen the org admin has to ok it, so include something to make it clear who you are
13:21.02gribozavrolly: oh, I see.  It was a bit confusing for me because it looked like that URL is for registering an *organization*
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13:21.44ollygribozavr: oh, the agreement thing is worded for an org admin rather than a mentor
13:22.14gribozavrolly: exactly
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14:22.04edsipertoday is the day
14:22.14gevaertsWell
14:22.17gevaertsYes and no
14:22.20downeyToday is *a* day :)
14:22.22gevaertsYesterday was also a day!
14:22.46downeygevaerts: Tomorrow will also be a day.
14:22.50edsipercould be or not to be
14:22.59edsiperbut a day is a day
14:23.03MyrAchleEveryday is a day.
14:23.14DogeHayashiyesterday was Sunday, today it is Monday, we we we so excited, we so exited, we gonna have a ball today
14:23.25DogeHayashitomorrow is Tuesday, and Wednesday comes afterwards
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14:24.33edsiperits a day to day
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14:43.14libergeekingkid_can some body help regarding selection of a project
14:43.16libergeekingkid_?
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15:26.16ha3The last time I looked into gsoc, we had the option to choose a mentoring organization project or propose one. It looks like from the site that there is only proposal now. Is this true?
15:28.11umcculloughha3, the orgs still provide ideas you can choos from, but you are responsible for writing up a proposal
15:28.25ha3ok thanks umccullough
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15:28.41umccullough*choose
15:28.45umcculloughsips his coffee
15:29.24ha3wishes he had a coffee to sup
15:29.31ha3sip*
15:29.35ha3obviously need coffee
15:29.38umccullough:)
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16:16.45joshwambua!next
16:16.48gsocbotjoshwambua: "next" is The student application period opens at 19:00UTC on 10th March
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16:19.21carolsserves some tea and coffee
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16:19.49MatthewWilkescarols!
16:19.52carolshi MatthewWilkes
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16:33.10carolsso quiet in here
16:33.16carolsis everyone prepping their proposals, i guess?
16:33.34Palashnods in agreement :)
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16:33.58carolswell good then :-)
16:34.04carolshave some coffee to fuel you :-)
16:34.24Ivanoviccarols: i am just quiet because i got a laryngitis and the doc said i should try to keep speaking to the absolute minimum...
16:34.34carolsi'm sorry to hear that, Ivanovic :-(
16:34.43Ivanovicalready the 2nd week with it
16:34.53PalashYeah coffee is quite important now, its approaching midnight here :)
16:35.25Ivanoviccarols: ah, there are worse illnesses to have
16:35.43Ivanoviccarols: physically i am feeling almost fit, minus the aching throat
16:35.59carolswell, true, but just because there are worse illnesses doesn't mean the one you have doesn't suck
16:36.29Ivanovicthat is right
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16:44.21ssscoderanyone working on Command-line translation memory fuzzy-match repair project?
16:44.30carolsssscoder: is this for a specific org?
16:44.45carolsssscoder: probably better to ask in that specific org's channel
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16:46.15carolsankush92: well, we never know until we make the allocations, of course
16:46.27carolsbut generally, yes, we give fewer slots to new orgs who don't know how much work gsoc is
16:48.05ankush92carols: Do older organizations get more slots even if they don't receive as many proposals as some newer ones?
16:48.29carolsankush92: have you read the slot allocations document?
16:48.33carolsthat might help you.
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16:48.57ankush92carols: Where may I find it?
16:49.23carolsankush92: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/studentallocations
16:49.33kblin!slots
16:49.33gsocbotkblin: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/studentallocations
16:49.45carolsthanks kblin
16:50.14kblinmy pleasure, I was mostly checking if I remembered the correct factoid
16:51.47carolskblin: don't you have computers for that?
16:51.48carols:-)
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16:55.47kblincarols: I could teach the bot a factoid containing the factoids I usually neeed... :-D
16:55.52carolsexactly :-)
16:55.56ankush92carols: I came across an organization's page which mentions in its description that it is one of the "founding organizations" of GSoC. I didn't find any reference to any list of founding organizations. I'm curious which other organizations are such.
16:56.21kblinone of mine is.. :)
16:56.44PulkoMandyI guess that just means they did the 2005 edition?
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16:56.59kblinthat's my assumption, yes
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16:57.33carolsankush92: i don't know what that means, so i can't really tell you who else would qualify
16:57.39kblinback when the proposal submission form was a <textarea> that submitted to chris' inbox
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16:58.21kblinbut arguably "founding organisation" sounds like they invented it, which isn't quite right
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16:59.15carolskblin: exactly why i don't know what it means
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17:00.47kblinbut using PulkoMandy's interpretation of "orgs that have been part of the 2005 gsoc", I'm pretty sure the internet has a list for that
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17:01.50kblinnow if only there was a company that had a product that allowed people to search for terms like "gsoc 2005" through a lot of web pages
17:02.27gevaertsAs far as I know, there are 12 organisations that have been part of all gsocs
17:03.06kblincarols: I guess unless that's text from the OSPO project, no other definition of "founding org" is valid :)
17:03.15carolsit is not our text :-)
17:03.28carolsand in fact, if that org has been participating since 2005 they should know better
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17:04.44kblinhttps://developers.google.com/open-source/soc/2005/ has the list, btw :)
17:05.19gevaerts38 of them, I believe!
17:05.32carolswell...
17:05.47carolsthe list of orgs that participated in 2005 is not the list of orgs that have participated every year since 2005
17:05.52gevaertsIndeed not
17:05.57MatthewWilkesOr that org just has someone that doesn't speak english very well editing their website
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17:06.19MatthewWilkesthe difference between founding and initial is quite thin
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17:06.31gevaertsThe problem is orgs using different ids and new spellings of their name every year
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17:06.50kblinyou mean like "GAIM" -> pidgin?
17:06.50gevaertsIt was quite a bit of work to match them all :)
17:06.55SK302Looks like application period is opening today. If we never talked to any organization through IRC or submitted any patch, do we still stand a chance at getting selected?
17:07.02carolsSK302: of course
17:07.05carolsstart now :-)
17:07.19carolsit's not too late until the deadline has passed
17:07.24kblinSK302: instead of talking to us, talk to the mentoring org. :-D
17:07.29carolswhat kblin said!
17:07.30SK302carols: thanks, but I will have to be lazy due to time constraints.
17:07.36carolsSK302: don't be lazy
17:07.45kblinSK302: sleep is overrated
17:07.45carolsthat will limit your chances more than not having talked to the org will
17:08.05gevaertskblin: that sort of thing, yes
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17:08.57kblinthough as a warning, I did an all-nighter to read up on the gsoc project I was proposing in 2005, and I've never found my way out of here again
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17:09.50SK302kblin:  sleep is good. :P
17:10.09ishitvaHello all , I have some query regarding the Proof of Enrollment
17:10.15carolsishitva: sure
17:10.19carolshow can we help
17:10.20carols?
17:10.28ishitvaI wanted to know about the Proof of Enrollment Document to be submitted . I have a College ID card on the back of which it is mentioned that it is valid upto August 2014 , so will it be sufficient to submit ?
17:10.53carolsdoes it meet the requirements on our instructions?
17:11.25ishitvaMy name and Photo is on the front , but the address and Validity is mentioned on the back . It says that it is valid upto August 2014
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17:11.44carolsokay, then you're asking if you should submit both the back and front?
17:11.46carolsyes, you should
17:12.03ishitvaI hope then it won't be a problem ?
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17:12.21carols"Rather than ask questions on the mailing list about whether or not the document you have is acceptable as proof of enrollment, simply submit the document to Melange. If it is not what we need, we will request an alternate document from you." http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment
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17:12.46ishitvaOkay . So can I submit it tomorrow for a review ?
17:13.02carolsishitva: you can submit it today, tomorrow...any time before you submit your proposal
17:13.08ishitvaOkay
17:13.12carolswell, and before the deadline, of course
17:13.20carolsbut hopefully that's obvious
17:13.32ishitvaThen I'll try to get the scanned copy tomorrow .
17:13.34kblinSK302: I'm pretty sure that gsoc changed my life, that totally was worth that one night of missed sleep :)
17:13.36carolscool
17:13.47carolskblin: how has gsoc changed your life?
17:14.06PulkoMandyit sure does
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17:14.17PulkoMandyis now working full-time for the org he did GSoC for
17:14.32PulkoMandywell... if the ycan get enough donations to pay me next month, that is
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17:15.24SK302kblin: Cool. I'll still give it my best, but to be honest I'm gonna submit 5 proposals as soon as the application opens (maybe I stand a better chance being one of the earlier submitters? ).If I don't get accepted I can try again next year. ;)
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17:15.43kblincarols: I learned more about programming in real projects than during all those years studying comp-sci
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17:15.51carolskblin: awesome :-)
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17:16.16kblincarols: which in turn gives me so many more options when looking for jobs/projects in life now
17:16.38carolsindeed, i've heard that from a lot of students
17:16.53kblinnot to mention all the great people you meet when you're doing open source stuff
17:16.57PulkoMandySK302: it's not really first come - first served here, you'll be expected to interract with the community of the org you're applying for, and probably updating your proposals from their feedback
17:17.16PulkoMandyand managing to build 5 *good* proposals is very hard - I'd suggest concentrating on one or two
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17:17.38PulkoMandykblin: ... and the tea!
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17:18.08gevaertsSK302: sounds like you're treating this as a lottery. It isn't one
17:18.45JordiGHWhat do you guys do when people approach you who have never heard of your project before? Do you guys have some good stories of how complete strangers went on to become core contributors thanks to GSoC?
17:18.51SK302PulkoMandy: Thanks, I'll consider your suggestion of doing 2 good ones.
17:19.36umcculloughnot sure submitting early makes a difference
17:19.50PulkoMandyJordiGH: yes. we don't have a 100% success rate on this, but we got some students to join our developer team over the years
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17:20.18PulkoMandyumccullough: I think the only thing it gives is more time for the mentors to review the proposal, and for the student to improve it
17:20.19SK302gevaerts: You're right, but GSOC timing is inconvenient  for me... so I'll submit whatever I can and see if I get in. ;)
17:20.33umcculloughPulkoMandy, in some cases, i suppose that's true
17:20.43gevaertsSK302: it's a waste of time then
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17:21.22gevaertsIf you don't have the time to work on a high-quality proposal, go out and have fun, don't spend time on making a poor proposal
17:21.37kblinJordiGH: I was a Wine developer for a couple of years, and I hadn't used Wine before GSoC
17:21.59kblinI mean, I probably had tried to use it for a game and failed, or the like
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17:23.29kblinJordiGH: and the main reason I went and switched to being more of a Samba person these days is that Wine had some trouble with their Org application in 2007, and I instead wrote a project proposal for samba
17:23.33SK302gevaerts: I suppose you're right, it's not fair to the organizations if I waste their time on low quality proposals. I will likely end up spending time on 2 high-quality proposals.
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17:24.29gevaertstries to think of a good short name for someone who does both Samba and WINE
17:24.49gevaertsNo, nothing
17:24.52kblinJordiGH: that said, I did spend time to research both the org and the topic of my proposal prior to submitting the proposal
17:24.57kblingevaerts: lunatic?
17:24.58MatthewWilkesgevaerts: It's obviously simba
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17:25.23gevaertsMatthewWilkes: that's an OSX release!
17:26.27kblinspeaking of Wine...
17:26.42kblinAndre_H: looks like your org logo for the melange profile is broken
17:26.51kblinand hi :)
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17:27.50KolibriOS|yogevgevaerts: Umm... Carnival?
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17:29.17kblinKolibriOS|yogev: not convinced. I spent past of this year's carnival in cologne, and that looked more like "funky chicken" and beer
17:29.37kblinthough "funky chicken" also is a great name for an open source org
17:30.45kblinI should try to name the next academic software I write that way
17:31.10kblinI wonder if there's a program to create backronyms
17:31.27kblinotherwise I already know what software I'll be writing
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17:33.01KolibriOS|yogevgevaerts: I was thinking more about Brazilian one :-)
17:33.28KolibriOS|yogeverr, kblin
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17:34.44kblinAndre_H: you probably want http://source.winehq.org/git/website.git/blob_plain/HEAD:/images/winehq_logo_glass_sm.png instead
17:35.09kblinKolibriOS|yogev: :)
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17:36.21ripcan I ask a question. Will the ideas listed on an org  will be accepted by gsoc?
17:36.25SK302If an organization has many umbrellas, is each umbrella guaranteed a specific # of slots?
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17:36.42carolsrip: you mean if you submit the proposal to the org to work on a particular idea?
17:36.50ripyes
17:36.51carolsSK302: no, nothing is guaranteed
17:37.00carolsrip: then it's up to the org which proposals they accept...
17:37.18carolsrip: so you should ask them
17:37.20SK302carols: so then I should go for popular umbrella organizations then, because some might not get a slot.
17:37.37ripgsoc allocate slots and  orgs check the  proposals?
17:37.40carolsSK302: you should go for whatever project idea you are most motivated and enthusiastic about
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17:37.56SK302ok
17:37.59carolsSK302: and apply to the org you most want to work with
17:38.04Andre_Hkblin: i'll take a look, thx
17:38.34darnirkblin you're in cologne?
17:38.54carolsdarnir: could you and kblin take this to a PM?
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17:39.26kblincarols: aye..
17:39.30carolscheers
17:39.55kblinrip: yes, pretty much
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17:40.35darnircarols: Sure.
17:40.49ripkblin: carols  thank you, I got it
17:41.04kblinrip: the orgs rank their proposals, ask for slots, google funds N slots for the org => the top N proposals get selected
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17:43.29kblinrip: the exact procedure is a bit more complex because students are allowed to submit more than one proposal, but can only be selected once
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17:44.33ripkblin: how many slots will XEN get this year?
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17:45.10SK302Can "technical writing" be a GSOC project? It's listed as an idea on Wikimedia.
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17:45.23kblinbetween 0 and 1500, I guess
17:46.08darnirSK302: Usually documentation projects are not allowed
17:46.10ripkblin: ... what that mean?
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17:46.22kblinlikely closer to the first number than the second :)
17:46.44SK302darnir: that's what I thought from the rules, but Wikimedia has 2 documentation projects on their ideas page. It's misleading.
17:46.59kblinrip: that's a fancy way of saying "nobody knows yet"
17:47.01kblin:)
17:47.17rip^^
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17:55.04dufferzafarI saw some discussion about the proof-of-enrollment.
17:55.13dufferzafarcan I just upload a pic of my ID-Card ?
17:55.27dufferzafarit has both issue dat and validity..
17:56.23carolsdufferzafar: a pic would be equivalent to a scanned copy, right?
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17:57.05dufferzafaronly if I get perfect lighting on the pic ;)
17:57.18carolsdufferzafar: well, i can't help you with that :-)
17:57.19JordiGHIs the application period starting yet?
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17:57.27dufferzafarbut yeah, the date would be perfectly legible
17:57.36carolsJordiGH: there's a great little countdown timer on the melange homepage
17:57.37dufferzafarshouldnt be a problem I guess...
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17:58.02dufferzafaralso: can I update my proposal, once I have submitted it??
17:58.09SK3021 hour 2 minutes remaining, I have it on auto-refresh.
17:58.14JordiGHcarols: I suppose that 500'ing means it's starting? :-)
17:58.44carolsJordiGH: no, i wouldn't assume that, you'll probably want to speak to #melange about that
17:58.51carolsi don't get a 500...
17:59.04JordiGHGot the page after a couple of reloads.
17:59.11carolsgreat
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17:59.34SK302carols:  the GSOC ideas page on Wikimedia has 2 documentation projects but Googles page at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#12._Are_proposals_for_documentation_work says documentation-only work isn't allowed. So I'm wondering if they made some special exception for Wikimedia or if this is a mistake.
17:59.46carolsSK302: this is a mistake
17:59.53carolsthere is not documentation projects allowed for gsoc
18:00.04SK302carols: ok, thanks. I'll edit it out of the Wiki.
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18:00.10carolsgreat
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18:00.25carolswow, my grammar on that last sentence was horrible
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18:00.47gevaertsSK302: I'd notify the wikimedia people instead
18:01.13gevaertsStudents editing ideas pages without discussion could be seen as rather "unusual"
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18:02.41dufferzafarcan documentation be a part of the project?
18:02.46SK302gevaerts: ok, notified someone on #wikimedia and they'll take care of it
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18:02.57dufferzafarand what about updating the proposal after adding it?
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18:03.19gevaertsdufferzafar: as in, making sure the new feature you build is documented? Sure
18:03.33gevaertsdufferzafar: you can edit proposals up to the application deadline
18:03.40dufferzafarokay.
18:03.42dufferzafarthanks.
18:04.05SK302This isn't the first organization I'm seeing that has documentation ideas, good thing I read the rules otherwise my proposal would have been wasted.
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18:04.47gevaertsActually, an evil organisation might use documentation projects to weed out students who didn't read te rules :)
18:04.57dufferzafarI read somewhere that the proposal should be just plain text?
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18:05.05KolibriOS|yogevgevaerts: Haha, good one
18:05.28KolibriOS|yogevis going do add a documentation project to our ideas page :-)
18:05.41SK302gevaerts: I would have deserved it too lol. I'm gonna work on 2 quality proposals and then scour for "easy projects" for the other 3 proposals.
18:06.26gevaertsSK302: you know the rules say you can submit up to five proposals but they don't say you have ti submit five proposals, right?
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18:07.05gevaertsdufferzafar: html might be possible on melange (not sure), but in general, check what the organisation wants. Some of them allow (or even require) e.g. proposals on melange that are links to their wiki, or links to a pdf proposal, ...
18:07.45SK302gevaerts: I know, but it will increase my chances.
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18:07.48dufferzafarI am currently creating it in markdown (on github). Will ask the org to be sure.
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18:08.55gevaertslikes saying "yes and no" and "it depends", so answering questions about gsoc is *perfect* :)
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18:19.47carolsserves some more coffee and tea
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18:25.31YoAbhiguys i want to work on mobile application. then how to make proposal for it??
18:25.45carolsYoAbhi: first would be to find the org you want to work with
18:25.57carolsYoAbhi: second would be to see if they have any mobile app ideas on their ideas page
18:25.59YoAbhiyes i got it
18:26.03carolsgreat
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18:27.00Palashdrank too much coffee :D
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18:27.41YoAbhii see their idea
18:27.53YoAbhiwhat they want in app
18:28.05carolsYoAbhi: and you've spoken to them about it?
18:28.13carolssince this is the channel for gsoc, not for specific orgs...
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18:28.16YoAbhinot yet
18:28.23carolsok, then that's your next step
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18:29.54VaticanCameoscarols: I admire how patient and helpful you are, but don't you find this routine a little repetitive? o.o
18:30.02carolsVaticanCameos: of course i do
18:30.05carolsbut it's my job
18:30.17carolssurely there's something you find repetitive about your day to day life that you do anyway?
18:30.36YoAbhibut what i have to tell them.. about my idea??
18:30.42carolsif i chose not to do all the things in my life i find repetitive i'd have no clean clothes :-)
18:30.58carolsYoAbhi: have you read the student manual?
18:31.08YoAbhinope :P
18:31.14carolsYoAbhi: then that's a good thing to do
18:31.28VaticanCameoscarols: Hmm..indeed I do. You're right.
18:31.33carolsVaticanCameos: :-)
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18:32.46VaticanCameosI was going through your blog the other night. Interesting, how you keep yourself motivated.
18:32.58carolsVaticanCameos: how i keep myself motivated?
18:33.01carolswhat do you mean?
18:33.11carolsoh, you mean for program management?
18:33.17VaticanCameosThat *was* your blog right? The one about program management?
18:33.23carolsVaticanCameos: yeah, indeed
18:33.35carolsprobably best a topic taken offline since this is a gsoc channel
18:34.19VaticanCameosMy apologies for going offtopic. I was just bored :D
18:34.28carols:-)
18:35.56SK302Don't need to apologize VaticanCameos. You just gave me an idea for some of my proposals.
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18:37.15VaticanCameosSK302: Really? How is there anything in what I said? o.O
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18:39.11SK302VaticanCameos: Using flattery in some of my proposals. ;)
18:39.27VaticanCameosA little flattery never goes amiss. Just don't overdo it :P
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18:47.30socks__hi all!
18:47.48carolshi socks__!
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18:50.30wiruzx9 minutes remaining :)
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18:51.31VarunAgw8
18:51.41carolsokay, no countdowns
18:51.45carolsotherwise i'll mute the channel
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18:52.43devenbhooshanExcited !!!!
18:52.43CFS-MP3Why the excitement? I mean, the exciting date is April 21st... nothing special happening in 8 minutes, you guys should have already been talking to orgs, discussing things, and even emailing drafts :-)
18:52.43downeythank you :)
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18:53.14carolsyw downey
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18:53.25downeytea anyone?
18:53.31SK302CFS-MP3: because now we can apply
18:53.41carolsthanks downey
18:53.45VarunAgwCFS-MP3, Its still exciting. Only students can understand this
18:53.45carolssips some tea
18:53.58devenbhooshanthanks downey
18:54.13gevaertsVarunAgw: you mean only students don't understand it isn't? :)
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18:54.49carolsdevenbhooshan: once more and i'll kick you
18:54.51carolsno countdowns
18:54.59SK302lol carols just said she'll mute if there are more countdowns devenbhooshan
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18:55.54CFS-MP3VarunAgw please give me the benefit of the doubt and assume I've been a student at some point :-)
18:55.55carolshave some tea and coffee instead.
18:56.06devenbhooshan4 :p
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18:56.20revzinHi all. Is is critical to submit proof of enrollment in English? (I'm from Bauman Moscow State Tech University.) I can probably get a notorized translation of my student ID and/or an official letter of confirmation, but it's PITA I'd really like to avoid if possible.
18:56.28SK302looks like someone was too excited
18:56.34carolsrevzin: if it's not in english you need to also submit a translation with it
18:56.34VarunAgwlol
18:56.50darnirWhen carols says something. She means it. Don't mess with her
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18:57.13tpkiprobably he didn't get the meaning of getting kicked. :P
18:57.32VarunAgwBut, I thought that was a joke (I guess devenbhooshan thought the same)
18:57.48revzincarols: The translation doesn't have to be a notarized?
18:57.50darnircarols doesn't joke. Not about countdowns.
18:57.57cdevya I thought that was a joke !!!!
18:57.58carolsrevzin: no, it does not need to be notarized.
18:58.02carolsit wasn't a joke
18:58.05carolsno countdowns
18:58.06revzinGreat, thanks
18:58.07SK302she repeated it twice, so it was obvious she was serious
18:58.10carolsi'll kick anyone else who does it too
18:58.17gevaertsWhy would trying to avoid utter chaos be a joke?
18:58.19wiruzxrevzin: hello russia :)
18:58.22cdevsorry !!!
18:58.33SK302she never said you can't count up ;)
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18:58.54carolsokay, we've muted for a while while everyone calms down
18:58.59carolsi'll unmute in a bit
18:59.08carolshave some tea while you wait.
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19:01.00*** topic/#gsoc by carols -> Student applications are being accepted until 21 March, see the program timeline: http://goo.gl/Anraxm or deadline announcer: http://goo.gl/1ZefN4 for more info | The Google Summer of Code 2014 mentoring orgs list is at: http://goo.gl/Qx6xLC
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19:04.41carolsokay everyone, i'll unmute the channel for now, but please be aware that i will mute it again if it gets unruly in here
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19:06.12wiruzxWhat means "major" in terms of university?
19:06.20carolswiruzx: your field of study
19:06.37wiruzxcarols: specializations?
19:06.41carolssure
19:06.58wiruzxthanks
19:07.07carolsyw
19:07.09d33tahhold on
19:07.20d33tahrequesting a role in an organization
19:07.32d33tahdoes this mean applying as a student as well?
19:07.38carolsd33tah: no, it does not
19:07.42d33tahi see.
19:07.52d33tahi "connected" and then said i don't request a role. i hope it's nothing wrong.
19:08.09carolsd33tah: a good question to ask #melange
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19:09.00s37syedhello!
19:09.12carolshi s37syed
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19:11.18d33tahcarols: is it possible that the organization just didn't upload the proposal template yet?
19:11.36carolsd33tah: that's certainly possible. you should speak to them about it.
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19:12.27TCDAre we able to register as a student and not file proposals until later?
19:12.35TCDor is it an all-at-once?
19:12.40rubbersheepcarols: i am applying as a student. Do i have to fill the "Connection" section?
19:12.43d33tahTCD: last year it was definitely possible
19:12.50carolsTCD: yes, you're welcome to register and not submit a proposal
19:12.53wiruzxIn field public name i should write my actual name or it can by nickname?
19:12.56carolsrubbersheep: no
19:13.01TCDcarols: Thanks! I'll register now so I don't forget
19:13.09rubbersheepcarols: thanks
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19:13.39cdevwhat is enrollment form ?
19:14.02carolscdev: your proof that you're a student
19:14.22cdevso how can i get it ?
19:14.34carolscdev: from your university
19:14.40cdevokzz
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19:16.49nikhatzihello everybody :) is it just me or is the project submit form missing from my dashboard? Thank you in advance :)
19:17.03carolsnikhatzi: that is a question for #melange
19:17.05carolscheers
19:17.10nikhatziok ty carols :)
19:17.12carolsyw
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19:17.45archanaand what is enrollment form?
19:17.49vorobeezhello gues. I have a question for you. I am a student and I want to participate in gsoc. At now i live and studying in Ivanovo(Russia) but at summer(and after the summer) i wiil live in Crimea(Simferopol), where lives my parents. I don't know what adress choose for my profile. And if i choose Simferopol And if I choose Simferopol, then a week later he may join Russia. What do you advise me to do?  Can I then change the address?
19:17.55notsachincarols: I'm a student but the university gives me a diploma. Am I eligible?
19:18.07carolsnotsachin: you're eligible if you meet the eligibility criteria
19:18.11vorobeezguys*
19:18.12archanawhat  information I have to provide in this
19:18.30carolsarchana: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment
19:18.42notsachincarols: okay, thanks
19:18.49carolsvorobeez: you should choose the address that's accurate for your home and shipping address.
19:19.36TCDIt says to include the country code...does mobile need a CC? D:
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19:19.46vorobeezcarols: does not matter what country?
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19:20.04carolsvorobeez: as long as it's not a country that is ineligible for the program
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19:20.46vorobeezcarols: Thank you very much.
19:20.47gevaertsTCD: you mean for a phone number? If you want that phone number to be usable and correct, yes of course
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19:21.36archanaokay only after I upload this I will be allowed to submit the proposal?
19:21.45fewchacarols: what is meant by the enrollment form?
19:21.47carolsarchana: correct
19:21.49rubbersheepcarols: my profile doesn't show enrolment form. how do i get to see that section?
19:22.00Beornwulf:( the limit to "only A-z, 0-9, - and whitespace" in the signup form is really unhelpful
19:22.02carolsfewcha: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment
19:22.04carolsrubbersheep: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment
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19:23.28TCDYeah, got it sorted :P
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19:24.38edsiperis there a way to delete the connection requests ?
19:24.50edsiperjust got a few students applying as mentors
19:24.50carolsedsiper: #melange
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19:25.42rubbersheepcarols: I guess I signed in as a mentor. How do i change it in my profile? probably that i why i cannot see the enrolment form section in my profile
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19:26.58s37syedhey carols! quick question regarding proof of enrollment: does it have to neccessarily be a transcript? a letter containing the proof of my enrollment should suffice right? is there something else I can do like take a print screen shot of my current and fall semester course list from my student website?
19:27.36SK302Is there a way to delete accounts? I want to use my other Gmail account and used my work one.
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19:28.30pchr8thanks for reminding me :) Too an enrollment question -- would a scan of the paper that in Ukraine is used as proof that I am a student be okay? So called "student ticket"
19:28.31carolss37syed: did you read the instructions?
19:28.51carolsSK302: #melange
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19:29.05SK302carols: ok, thanks.
19:29.09carolsyw
19:29.35fewchacarols: If I give a photo copy of my student id card rather than a scanned copy of it, would it be okay?
19:29.37s37syedcarols:  http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment  it doesn't neceessarily say how the course list should be submitted
19:29.47carolsfewcha: did you read the instructions?
19:29.48TCD'Transcript in .txt format is NOT acceptable.' <-- so is the only acceptable form a photo or a scanned form, rather than digital->digital?
19:29.52carolss37syed: yes it does
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19:30.23carolss37syed: you read "How to Submit Your Proof of Enrollment"?
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19:30.41carolsTCD: "Rather than ask questions on the mailing list about whether or not the document you have is acceptable as proof of enrollment, simply submit the document to Melange. If it is not what we need, we will request an alternate document from you."
19:30.57fewchacarols: yes, it says "a scanned copy of your student identification card that shows you were enrolled as of 21 April 2014". My card does show I was enrolled as of 21 April 2014. But would a photocopy rather than a scan of it be okay?
19:31.12carolsfewcha: sure
19:31.18TCDcarols: Sorry :p
19:31.20fewchacarols: okay, thanks :)
19:31.32s37syedcarols: ok I guess i'll submit a bunch of photos and hopefully it works thanks
19:31.42socks__carols: Got a question about the registration. Will our name be displayed somewhere in the GSoC website?
19:31.54carolssocks__: yes, your public name will be
19:32.09carolson the accepted students list and on your proposal should you choose to make it public
19:32.18socks__carols: but not the real one?
19:32.23carolssocks__: no
19:32.30socks__ok thanks
19:32.33carolsyw
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19:36.29archanacarol_ the enrollment form will take me 4- 5 days to get from the colleg
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19:36.59archanabefore that will I not be able to submit the  proposal
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19:37.39carolsarchana: okay...
19:37.40archanalast year students had to submit it after they  were selected  rite?
19:37.46carolsarchana: correct
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19:38.57carolsdowney: i think it's going to work :-)
19:39.12archanaso before that can I submit my proposal to the org.  in google doc format
19:39.21archanato them dirctly
19:39.27carolsarchana: no, you cannot submit a proposal until you have submitted your proof of enrollment
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19:39.29downeycarols: heh. :)
19:39.42notsachini don't see any option to create a proposal
19:40.00carolsnotsachin: have you signed up for a student profile and submitted your proof of enrollment?
19:40.00gevaertsarchana: you can discuss things with the organisation, and show drafts, but you can't formally submit it
19:40.37sumanahhi darnir
19:41.47notsachincarols: Profile has been created. I see. This time you're collecting proof of enrollment in advanced.
19:41.50sumanahdarnir: you had a question for me?
19:42.04carolsnotsachin: indeed we are, as per the FAQs this year
19:42.28notsachinokay thanks
19:42.31carolsyw
19:42.49fewchacarols: is this okay for a student id proof? http://wstaw.org/m/2014/03/10/goodone.jpg
19:42.55edk_where do we indicate the organization's name that we are applying to? (filename, title?)
19:43.16carolsfewcha: firstly, don't post anything in a public channel like that. secondly, it explicitly says on the doc to just submit the form and if we need another we'll ask you
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19:43.55fewchacarols: okay, sorry, thanks :)
19:43.58carolsyw
19:44.10carolsyour personal info, not mine :-)
19:44.26downeyfewcha: hopefully you can remove that file :)
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19:44.27carolsedk_: did you create a profile and submit your proof of enrollment?
19:44.32gevaertsconsiders applying in fewcha's name :)
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19:45.44edk_I have created my profile but haven't submitted the proof of enrollment. I couldn't find the link to submit it
19:45.52carolsedk_: it's on the front page.
19:45.55carolstry again.
19:46.20edk_Now I see. Thank you :)
19:46.23carolsyw
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19:47.23downeycarols: If a student has uploaded a proof of enrollment document, then submits a proposal, do orgs/mentors see it immediately or is it held in a review queue first?
19:47.38carolsdowney: no review queue
19:47.44downeycarols: ok, thanks.
19:48.05carolsdowney: if a student honestly truly submitted a proposal for your org and you're not seeing it, ask #melange
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19:49.21downeywill do
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19:50.09VcamXHi all
19:50.15carolshi VcamX
19:50.41VcamXI have a question about proof of enrollment
19:50.52carolsVcamX: and you've read the whole instruction document already?
19:51.02VcamXyes
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19:51.07carolsokay, what's your question?
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19:51.44VcamXI'm an exchange student now, and will go back to my home university on the end of April
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19:51.51carolsokay...
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19:53.08VcamXcould i upload the transcript for my home university as proof of enrollment?
19:53.08carolsVcamX: and what was the question?
19:53.19carolsVcamX: where will you be enrolled on 21 april?
19:53.27raveeshcarols , while editing the profile, a student is provided two rows to write street address into.. but when the profile is viewed, only the data filled in first row is visible..
19:53.34carolsraveesh: #melange
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19:54.14VcamXI'm an exchang student now in Simon Fraser University, CA
19:54.21carolsVcamX: you haven't answered my question
19:54.29carolswhere will you be enrolled on 21 april?
19:54.34VcamXBut my last exam is on April 23
19:54.51carolsVcamX: so you will still be considered enrolled on 21 april at that university, yes?
19:55.02VcamXI think so
19:55.04raveeshty, carols
19:55.11carolsVcamX: then submit your enrollment form for that
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19:55.56d33tahsorry if i'm repeating the message, but i got disconnected from my IRC server...
19:55.58d33tahcarols: i've got a question regarding a proof of enrollment. is a document from February 27th saying that i'm in the middle of a term that ends on September enough?
19:56.44carolsd33tah: "Rather than ask questions on the mailing list about whether or not the document you have is acceptable as proof of enrollment, simply submit the document to Melange. If it is not what we need, we will request an alternate document from you." http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment
19:57.00downeycarols: s/mailing list/mailing list or IRC/
19:57.00d33tahah, sorry.
19:57.02d33tahokay
19:57.04d33tahalready done
19:57.06carolsgreat
19:57.07VcamX@carols can i use admission letter as proof?
19:57.14carolsVcamX: "Rather than ask questions on the mailing list about whether or not the document you have is acceptable as proof of enrollment, simply submit the document to Melange. If it is not what we need, we will request an alternate document from you."
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19:57.37VcamXok
19:57.45edk_I just got confusion with the proposal. So are we supposed to come up with a new project idea? or we choose from a list of projects from the org?
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19:57.56VcamXThank you very much @carols
19:58.04Strangerkeedk_: one or the other, up to you
19:58.05carolsedk_: you should work with the organization either from their ideas page or on an idea of your own.
19:58.23edk_awesome thank you guys!
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19:58.52carolsyw
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20:02.44darnirI'm looking for hints/tips/pointers on what mentors look for in proposals when selecting a candidate
20:02.57carolsdarnir: those would be available either in the manual or from the org
20:03.19darnirI'm actually asking about it from a mentor's perspective
20:03.25darnirWhat should I as a mentor usually look for?
20:03.26viccuadhi, I'm trying to submit my application, and it rejects this URL: http://informatica.ucm.es . I know is not big deal :P, but isn't that a valid URL?
20:03.36carolsviccuad: #melange
20:03.41sumanahdarnir: http://people.gnome.org/~federico/docs/summer-of-code-mentoring-howto/ might help
20:03.53viccuadthx carols
20:03.58carolsyw
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20:04.26darnirsumanah: Thanks! That seems like a better resource than the flossmanuals guide
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20:08.06neo1691Students aspirants, sign up for gsoc 2014
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20:10.43raveeshmadrazr: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=2082&thanks=2082&ts=1394482219
20:10.48raveeshthere you go :)
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20:11.55rpadovaniHi. I'm doing my profile and it asks for Major at the university. Is he the Rector? The leader of university?
20:12.11umcculloughit's not a person
20:12.19umcculloughit's your 'speciality'
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20:12.25umcculloughnot sure how that translates
20:12.39nyzuulfield of study
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20:12.58umcculloughhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_major
20:13.20rpadovaniumccullough, nyzuul ahhh, thanks, I had never heard it
20:13.39nyzuulyou're welcome
20:13.56rpadovaniSo, could it be 'Computer Science', right?
20:14.00nyzuulyes
20:14.17gevaertsWell, that depends :)
20:14.30gevaertsIf you're studying computer science, yes
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20:14.46gevaertsBut people do study other things and apply to gsoc
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20:15.01rpadovaniYap, I'm studyng computer science :-)
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20:16.15rpadovaniOk, thanks, my profile is ready :-) I'll apply in next days
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20:16.23edk_just wondering if people who do not have any knowledge related to the computer science feilds and still apply?
20:17.10Palashedk_ some of them do !
20:17.27dfighterjust because they major in another field, they could still have knowledge...
20:17.34saapwHello!
20:17.43s37syedman there are so many interesting projects! anyone have a good strategy to narrow down your picks? or should i look for the five that I want and submit really good proposals for each one?
20:17.45dfighterlike most engineering and science majors will have some programming training
20:18.20DragooonI take it the enrolment form is the proof of enrolment or is there an actual form?
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20:18.54rigelkDragooon: it is the proof of enrollment, yes
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20:19.24DragooonSo, would be ID card that I carry to my university qualify? It lists my name, photo, DoB, name of university, course and specifies that the course lasts from 2013-2017
20:19.52rigelkDragooon: sounds more than enough ;)
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20:20.19DragooonThanks!
20:21.19sumanahdarnir: http://dberkholz.com/2010/12/14/7-problems-gsoc-admins-encounter/ and related posts might help you
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20:22.11jbischThere was an option to make the proposal public. What is the URL where you can see all the public proposals?
20:22.29gevaertsThere isn't one
20:22.39jbischokay thx
20:22.46gevaertspublic means you can access it if you know the url
20:22.46DragooonYou can
20:22.55DragooonYou can't see other's proposals right?**
20:23.14carolsDragooon: if they are marked public, yes
20:23.19carolsand you know the URL
20:23.31DragooonAh okay, thanks!
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20:24.26rigelki'm having trouble sending my enrollment form ; are there size limits, name requirements or something ?
20:24.34carolsrigelk: #melange
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20:24.55rigelksure ; thx carols.
20:24.58carolsyw
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20:25.29sumanahdarnir: you might also find https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2012/management and the more recent https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Selection_process useful to see what *our* selection criteria are and why. But of course your org may differ.
20:25.57revzinCan the proposal be submitted as PDF file? I have a nice LaTeX PDF with tables and stuff, laying out everything again in HTML isn't going to be really fun
20:26.13revzinLike can I put the PDF online and link to it there?
20:26.16carolsrevzin: why not try uploading it and see what happens?
20:26.27gevaertsrevzin: ask the organisation
20:26.42carolsoh, you just want to link to another doc?
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20:26.47carolsyeah, that's a question for the org.
20:26.58revzinYep, thanks
20:27.04revzinI'll ask the orgs
20:27.04gevaertsHmmm
20:27.06KolibriOS|yogevcarols: For my understanding, a person that becomes a student on April 26th (for example) basically cannot apply at all this year, even though according to "Proof of Enrollment" FAQ he is eligible?
20:27.08gevaerts!itdepends
20:27.08gsocbotgevaerts: "itdepends" is That depends on the organisation. Ask them.
20:27.16gevaertsAh, yes. I *knew* it was there :)
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20:27.30carolsKolibriOS|yogev: by "becomes a student" do you mean he/she was accepted into the university and isn't attending?
20:27.50KolibriOS|yogevcarols: I mean he will get a letter that he is accepted only in April
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20:27.54carolsKolibriOS|yogev: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#7._I_have_been_accepted_into_an
20:28.08carolshe needs to be accepted on or before 21 april.
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20:28.52KolibriOS|yogevcarols: But that's exactly the problem I am pointing out. Student registration closes March 21st, you cannot apply until you provide proof of enrollment this year, right?
20:29.04carolsKolibriOS|yogev: correct.
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20:29.58KolibriOS|yogevcarols: Sorry, April 26th was a slip of a finger. I mean April 20th. Student that can get a written proof on April 20th cannot apply at all this year, even though he is eligible according to the requirements?
20:30.14carolsKolibriOS|yogev: i don't think i'm understanding what you're asking me.
20:30.19carolsi think you should email me.
20:30.38KolibriOS|yogevcarols: OK, will do.
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20:31.03carolsis easily confused
20:31.16gevaertsOh, I think I understand!
20:31.35KolibriOS|yogevgevaerts: Maybe you can help me explain :-)
20:31.39gevaertsI'll try :)
20:31.54gevaertsthinks of an example
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20:33.55tootis_Hey, I need help, I can't submit a proposal
20:34.15carolstootis_: #melange
20:35.16tootis_ok
20:36.00rigelkcarols: they're feeling lazy on #melange, it seems ^^'
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20:36.14carolsrigelk: well, they being people, maybe they're, i don't know...eating?
20:36.24carolshow long have you been waiting for a response?
20:36.31carolsmore than 48 hours?
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20:37.02carolswe have a required response time for all gsoc orgs that they respond within 48 hours...
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20:37.53gevaertscarols: I understand KolibriOS|yogev's question as "Suppose someone walks into the university on 20 April and enrolls (no complicated admissions system where this student lives). According to the FAQ, that's perfectly fine and the student is eligible. However, because there's no advance acceptance in this case, there can't be a document showing this before 21 March. Is it correct that this student can't take part in gsoc?"
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20:38.01rigelkcarols: don't misunderstand, i'm idling and ready to wait
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20:38.39carolsgevaerts: that person in that rare case that walks into the university on 20 april and enrolls should email me and i can help them
20:39.10gevaertsKolibriOS|yogev: that's your answer I guess :)
20:40.05KolibriOS|yogevgevaerts: Well, but how can that student apply? In order to apply, he has to submit proof of enrollment before March 21, that's a change this year from all past years.
20:40.18carolsKolibriOS|yogev: for the third time.
20:40.20carolsplease email me.
20:40.24gevaertsKolibriOS|yogev: easy! By sending an email to carols :)
20:40.56edk_carols if we submit multiple proposals, then do we get chance to choose from one of the accpeted orgs?
20:41.15carolsedk_: no, they will choose. so don't apply for an org you don't want to work with
20:41.21Benzi-JuniorWhat will suffice as an enrollment form (I believe the GSoC webpage has a typo) can I uppload my official transcript (it includes current courses)
20:41.30carolsBenzi-Junior: have you read the instructions?
20:41.56gevaertshands out more tea
20:42.09carolsdo we have a factoid in here for the proof of enrollment doc?
20:42.20carols!proof
20:42.21gsocbotcarols: "proof" is For information on required proof from last year, see http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/studentinfo . The information for 2012 should be similiar.
20:42.36gevaertsThat one might be a bit outdated :)
20:42.39s37syedi hope people aren't getting mad at carols for what melange has changed in their policies
20:42.49s37syedthat's kind've unfair to him/her
20:42.54carols!forget proof
20:42.55gsocbotcarols: The operation succeeded.
20:43.01carolss37syed: i changed the policies, not melange :-)
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20:43.13s37syedoh. never mind then!
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20:43.16carols!learn proof as http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment
20:43.17gsocbotcarols: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment
20:43.18gevaertsIt's still a bit unfair though :)
20:43.22downeys37syed: I believe the mentors/org admins called for this change.
20:43.34carolspeople are welcome to get as angry at me as they'd like
20:43.40gevaertsThose with the money get to make the rules
20:43.41downeys37syed: I do agree getting mad is unfair, since it's been posted in the FAQ's since the program was announced. :)
20:43.41carolsit happens every day :-)
20:43.50carolswhat downey said
20:43.59s37syedthe reason why the change was made kind of makes sense, at least to me.
20:44.10carolsi agree
20:44.16carolsso no problems :-)
20:44.21vkmcHi all... just a question about proofs of enrollments (now that I saw you mention them)
20:44.35carolsvkmc: sure, did you read the instructions?
20:44.39vkmcDoes them need to be translated by a public translator?
20:44.49vkmccarols, I did!
20:44.52carolsvkmc: did you read that whole page?
20:44.57carolsare you very sure? :-)
20:45.05carols"It is highly preferable for your proof of enrollment documentation to be submitted to us in English. If you cannot submit documents in English, please provide a translation along with the document in .txt format."
20:45.14vkmccarols, Now I'm not...
20:45.24carolsright
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20:45.38gevaertscarols: I think it's somewhat understandable that people wonder if their own translation is good enough though
20:45.40vkmccarols, Ah well, sorry for that... and thanks for clearing my doubt
20:45.45carolsyw
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20:46.11rvraghav93carols: he ... i submited my enrollment form once ... later when I checked my profile . its gone ...
20:46.20carolsrvraghav93: #melange
20:46.26nyzuulHow does one submit a transcript without it being a text file? Uploading a scanned copy of a University one? Or taking a screenshot of my online transcript?
20:46.37carolsnyzuul: either of those will work, yes
20:46.47nyzuulOk, thanks
20:46.50carolsyw
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20:49.13dberkholzsumanah: whoa, didn't even remember writing that post about gsoc admin stuff
20:49.35sumanahdberkholz: :) it's nice when you can make something that helps people years later - after you have forgotten even making it
20:49.50dberkholzguess i should just google "site:redmonk.com site:dberkholz.com gsoc" and see what pops up
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20:50.22dberkholzand on the bright side, it doesn't look nearly as confusing as code i wrote 4 years ago.
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20:50.37gevaertsWell done :)
20:50.40glongohi
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20:50.44carolshi glongo
20:51.03glongohi carols, nice to see you
20:51.09carolsnice to see you as well, glongo
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20:51.29a9393jhello carol, what all docs are valid for enrollement form
20:51.41carolsa9393j: did you read the instructions?
20:52.35glongocarols: I uploaded my proof of enrollment, but I'm not able to submit proposals
20:52.50carolsglongo: are you looking at the homepage?
20:52.57edk_a9393j check out here : https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment
20:52.57carolsdo you see the big button in the middle of the page?
20:53.16glongocarols: oh, now it's ok. thank you :)
20:53.22carolsyw
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20:54.17a9393jactually i have a college id card which shows "valid upto 2016" but my signature was not printed on it due to technical erro
20:54.24a9393jerror*
20:54.33a9393jwould it be valid
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20:55.05a9393jits has my photo, name, cllg name , deans sig, and everything else i suppose
20:55.21carolsa9393j: did you read the instructions?
20:55.47a9393jyup
20:55.52carols"Rather than ask questions on the mailing list about whether or not the document you have is acceptable as proof of enrollment, simply submit the document to Melange. If it is not what we need, we will request an alternate document from you."
20:55.53edk_a9393j please check out this link : https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment
20:57.03a9393jthnx carol, and sorry for inconvenience
20:57.06carolsyw
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21:12.24downey!proof
21:12.24gsocbotdowney: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment
21:12.39downeyhmm
21:12.44carolsdowney: problem?
21:13.14downeycarols: was thinking of something that will save you some typing :)
21:13.18meflinwell due to time change there is a perpetual insufficient tea error
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21:13.27carolsdowney: thanks :-)
21:13.31downeycarols: although i suppose ctrl-v is faster
21:13.54downeymeflin: wasn't nearly enough tea to help me through today
21:16.38carolsserves some more tea and coffee
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21:18.59carolsdowney: are you seeing proposals for your orgs without incident?
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21:19.19downeycarols: nothing yet.
21:19.30carolsokay
21:19.45meflinI see none
21:21.38carolsmeflin: well, that doesn't necessarily mean there's a bug...
21:21.38meflinthat surprises me
21:21.40carols...yet.
21:21.41carols:-)
21:21.44meflintrue
21:21.49carolsi'm checking on it
21:22.46meflinI have yet to see a student claim to have submitted ...
21:25.25carolsmeflin: i'm checking with the melange folks about it now
21:26.17downeyalways assumed carols can see everything :)
21:26.27carolsdowney: i'm not a developer :-)
21:26.31carolsso no, i can't see everything
21:26.41downeydang, so i wrote all those compliments for nothing ;-)
21:26.44meflindowney: its a trap! ;)
21:26.48carolsdowney: :-P
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21:33.25carolsmeflin: which orgs are you an admin for right now?
21:33.44meflinPython and Syncdifferent
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21:34.23meflinsync it makes sence but python I would have expected to have someone right out of the gate
21:34.30carolsmeflin: okay, i have checked, and it is actually the case that neither of those orgs has gotten a proposal yet
21:34.49meflinoh well I guess I just curl up in a ball and cry :)
21:34.55carolsdon't do that :-)
21:35.02carolswe've verified there isn't a bug :-)
21:35.04carolsrejoice :-)
21:36.04downeymeflin: here, share my tea while we wait for proposals
21:36.24meflindowney: thanks the salt from the tears seasons it well ;)
21:36.29carolsNightrose: are you around?
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21:38.24meflinconsidering how swamped with student's i've been and in past years it took 1-min for small orgs its kinda ... odd
21:38.42carolswell, it's because they're all figuring out their proof of enrollment right now
21:39.12downeymeflin: They're all scrambling because they forgot to read the FAQ about proof of enrollment. :)
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21:39.18meflinwell or worse perhaps they are thinking about there proposal
21:39.36downeymeflin: I wouldn't call that worse :)
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21:39.57meflinI dono it depends what if they are all good well thought out proposals?
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21:41.31TCDI'm scramblingaround trying to find some kind of enrollment proo
21:41.32TCDf
21:42.21carolsgood luck!
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21:43.25downeymeflin: you request more slots? :)
21:43.29CFS-MP3carols how many proposals have been submitted so far (all projects), if you have the stats?
21:43.33downeymeflin: seems like a good problem to have
21:43.37carolsCFS-MP3: i don't know
21:43.44carolsi've been focused on other things :-)
21:43.52meflindowney: well I need to see good apps first :D
21:44.35CFS-MP3do we get an email each time someone submits a proposal?
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21:45.04meflindepends on your settings ( I think yes and every edit ) if you have all the email stuff on
21:45.57CFS-MP3meflin thanks, just saw that checkbox
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21:48.52carolsserves some more tea and coffee
21:50.33davidfetter_disqhi
21:50.44carolshi davidfetter_disq
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21:51.22davidfetter_disqi mentored last year for the PostgreSQL project, would like to make sure i'm signed up on time this year. now that i've registered on melange, how do i associate myself with same?
21:51.35ollymeflin: fwiw, xapian seems to have just one proposal so far (though melange also reports "Error retrieving data: please refresh the list or the whole page to try again")
21:51.59carolsdavidfetter_disq: #melange
21:52.04ollyi can't seem to see any email notifications though, but I've not dealt with the email pile yet today
21:52.18carolsolly: can you file a bug for the error, please?
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21:53.32ollycarols: yeah, I was going to
21:53.49carolsthanks so much olly
21:54.27pankaj_cdrarent there any gsoc projects which develop rts games?
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21:55.08carolspankaj_cdr: did you search the list by tags?
21:55.25pankaj_cdryes
21:55.36pankaj_cdrit said game programming
21:55.42pankaj_cdrbut no rts games
21:55.42carolsthen there probably aren't any orgs doing that sort of development this year.
21:55.45carolssorry.
21:55.55pankaj_cdrno problem
21:55.56ollyhmm, don't worldforge do that sort of thing?
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21:56.27PulkoMandywesnoth is turn-by-turn strategy, but I don't remember if they're in this year
21:56.28pankaj_cdrdo they?
21:56.28ollyand battle for wesnoth
21:56.34ollypankaj_cdr: try those two
21:56.50gevaertsbattle for wesnoth is turn-based
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21:56.59revzincarols: submitted my proposal, thanks for the awnsers :)
21:57.13pankaj_cdrthats great ,i will try ,thanks a lot guyz :)
21:57.15ollygevaerts: ah, well we've exceeded my knowledge of gaming then
21:57.25carolsrevzin: yw
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21:57.55ollypankaj_cdr: but the tags may not be as specific as you're trying, so I'd try "games" and then look at the ideas lists of those orgs
21:58.20KolibriOS|yogevpankaj_cdr: What about supertuxcart?
21:58.24pankaj_cdrhmm true.
21:58.26pankaj_cdrno
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21:58.42KolibriOS|yogevpankaj_cdr: It's real-tim
21:58.43pankaj_cdrsuper tuxcart doesnt interests me
21:58.49KolibriOS|yogevpankaj_cdr: But not strategy :-)
21:58.51Strangerkethere's also ScummVM and ResidualVM, for adventure games
21:59.21KolibriOS|yogevCFS-MP3: Can you please tell where is the e-mail notification checkbox?
21:59.55KolibriOS|yogevolly: I also got 1 proposal, the same error as you posted (when trying to see more proposals), and no e-mail notification.
21:59.57ollyKolibriOS|yogev: there's strategy in when to throw the cakes
22:00.06KolibriOS|yogevolly: LOL
22:00.18carolsKolibriOS|yogev: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/profile/notifications/google/gsoc2014
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22:01.17KolibriOS|yogevcarols: Oh, it's on MY profile and not on ORG profile. Thanks! But that checkbox was already checked in.
22:01.26carolsKolibriOS|yogev: then https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=2088
22:01.34carolshopefully that should cover both for you
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22:03.01KolibriOS|yogevcarols: Many thanks, I confirmed on that bug that it's happening for us as well.
22:03.04carolsthanks
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22:06.45redwireIs one not eligable for GSoC if they weren't a student between January and April? What if we were during September to December 2013 and will be again next September?
22:07.03carolsredwire: the only date that matters is 21 april.
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22:07.10carolswill you be an accepted or enrolled student on 21 april?
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22:07.51redwireI don't really know how that plays out at my university. I'
22:08.03carolsredwire: then i can't answer your question for you :-(
22:08.25redwireI'm not attending for _this_ semester, so I think I'm technically not enrolled this semester, and I don't know if that means I count as accepted.
22:08.53carolsredwire: will the university issue you a document saying you're either accepted or enrolled on 21 april?
22:08.59redwireKnowing my uni, it'd probably be days before I could get any kind of written letter detailing proof of my acceptance as a student.
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22:09.13redwireI can call and ask tomorrow.
22:09.19carolsgreat
22:09.21carolscheers
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22:12.46adrenalinkhello everybody! Does someone know how to apply for an existing mentoring organization project?
22:12.59carolsadrenalink: sure, we do. what would you like to know?
22:13.35adrenalinkIs there a form where I can put my request to collaborate to a project?
22:13.47adrenalinkwhich is the link?
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22:13.59carolsadrenalink: yep, it's on the front page
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22:19.12adrenalinkcarols: ok. But I cannot understand why I have to submit a proposal to a project if the organization already has a detailed list of its own proposals with the related description
22:19.38carolsadrenalink: because you have to describe how you're going to code a solution to the idea from their ideas page...
22:20.11carolsadrenalink: are you sure you understand how gsoc works? have you read the student manual?
22:20.22carolsthis seems like the sort of thing that would make sense if you know how the program works.
22:20.40Nightrosecarols: i am around now :)
22:20.42Nightrosewasup?
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22:23.19adrenalinkcarols: I read a proposal for a user interface to an existing API, so it seems to me a non-sense to describe a solution without knowing the project..
22:23.29carolsadrenalink: for which org?
22:23.40gevaertsadrenalink: that's why you spend a bit of time studying things first
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22:24.19adrenalinkcarols: no. it is this one http://wiki.tox.im/Proposed_Google_Summer_of_Code_ideas
22:24.48carolsadrenalink: cool, then i'd recommend you speak to the org directly about it
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22:25.29meflincarols: btw I spy a proposal
22:25.42carolsmeflin: that's something :-)
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22:26.44adrenalinkcarols: thank U
22:26.47carolsyw
22:26.52carolsstqism: you around?
22:27.01meflinmarked as away
22:27.02ollyit's to be expected that the start will be slow now students need to prove they are students here instead of later
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22:27.21carolsolly: that was in fact the whole point of why we did it that way this year...
22:27.43ollynoticed there's a melange ticket for allowing students to sign up before this point, which would also address this
22:27.45carolsdowney and the rest of them wanted less spam :-)
22:28.19ollycarols: it seems a good idea to me too
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22:28.39carolsthe students seem quite upset about it for reasons i'm not clear on...
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22:29.17ollythey probably didn't think to start sorting out proof before now, and they now have ~12 days to do it
22:29.23pbanaszkiewiczcarols: pardon me my ignorance, but what change are you talking about?
22:29.43carolspbanaszkiewicz: we require an enrollment form for all students this year
22:30.19ollyi wonder how many of the junk proposals were really from non-students in previous years
22:30.31carolsolly: i guess we'll find out by next week!
22:30.34ollywouldn't be surprised if we see fewer proposals in total
22:31.01olly(because some probably weren't actually from students)
22:31.34allmanHopefully fewer cruft applications for the orbs to review.
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22:31.50ollyorb review!
22:32.03gevaertsSome of them are quite rounded :)
22:32.09meflin's orb serves tea
22:32.14ollythe magic 8 ball says ... NEEDS WORK
22:32.18allmanlol  me blushs
22:32.44meflinallman: you app is editable until the deadline! worry not
22:32.44KK4MGVI'm having trouble submitting the initial form of the application process (https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/profile/edit/google/gsoc2014)
22:32.54carolsKK4MGV: what's the trouble?
22:32.55KK4MGVI've filled out all the required fields, but "Apply" just brings me to the same page
22:33.13carolsKK4MGV: have you submitted your proof of enrollment?
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22:33.44ollyKK4MGV: most of the form in melange seem to go into "edit" mode after a successful submit - is it just doing that?
22:34.14KK4MGVi was under the impression that that step came later. I am still filling out the initial form linked to from the front page after logging in
22:34.17KK4MGVolly: ah, that could be
22:34.32ollythere's a ticket about it already
22:34.39ollyit catches people out a lot
22:34.49ollyassuming it is that
22:34.52KK4MGVah yes, it seems to have taken my information anyway. thanks
22:35.06pbanaszkiewiczcarols: ty, I caught up with reading FAQ.  My student ID card has an expiration date of 03/31/2014, so I have to get it prolonged before I submit my proposal, correct?
22:35.30allmancorrect
22:35.31carolspbanaszkiewicz: prolonged? you mean get another ID card?
22:35.44pbanaszkiewiczcarols: no, we get stickers with dates
22:35.58carolspbanaszkiewicz: then yes, it needs to be effective for 21 aprill
22:36.08pbanaszkiewiczcarols: okay, thank you again
22:36.12carolsyw
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22:40.33KK4MGVas for proof of enrollment, how official does the transcript need to be? my university has two options: 1) unofficial (very informal) transcripts via their web portal thing, or 2) official transcripts sent via US Postal Service only
22:40.59KK4MGVoh, and we need to pay $10.00 for #2
22:41.19carolsKK4MGV: #1 is fine
22:41.20KK4MGVit seems kinda silly to get an unofficial transcript mailed to myself, wait for it to arrive, scan it, and send it
22:41.21KK4MGVokay
22:41.27KK4MGVit does look kinda sketchy though
22:42.04carolsKK4MGV: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment "Rather than ask questions on the mailing list about whether or not the document you have is acceptable as proof of enrollment, simply submit the document to Melange. If it is not what we need, we will request an alternate document from you."
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22:45.06hikerHow can I unsubscribe from gsoc-mentors if I can't send email using the subscribed email address anymore?  My old email was changed from being a 'real' mailbox to a forward only :( And even adding a reply-to didn't convince melange to unsubscribe my old email address :(
22:45.13carolshiker: please email me
22:45.35hikerThanks!
22:45.37carolsyw
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23:08.12Guest29200I can’t  starat connection as sutdent maybe I create by accident Mentor account. Can I switch ? using this my emial ?
23:08.20carolsGuest29200: #melange
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23:23.57carolsserves some more tea and coffee
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23:28.42meflinyea tea
23:28.47carols:-)
23:28.55carolsmeflin: so just one proposal so far?
23:29.09meflinoddly yes
23:29.27carolswell, that may just be an indication students are taking the time to submit their proof of enrollment
23:29.31meflinI do have a student telling me that I am incompetent in person tho
23:29.47carolsmeflin: :-( why's that
23:29.47carols?
23:30.08meflinI do not have certs in networking even tho I build ISP's ( plural he asked that first )
23:30.35carolsmeflin: ah, then i think he would think i'm not qualified to be working at google either...
23:30.39carolsso don't feel bad
23:30.42MateuszPG_I have problem with account on www.google-melange.com where can I get some help
23:30.53carolsMateuszPG_: #melange
23:30.59meflinhard to understand this vector of getting a slot tho
23:31.22carolsmeflin: he probably doesn't think the two are related, even though they very much are.
23:31.59nikhatzisubmitted my project finally! o/
23:32.00meflinI see this just about every year ... atack the mentors! .. profit?
23:32.23carolsmeflin: i see that too... attack carols! ...profit?
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23:32.45ollyhmm, not sure I can remember students attacking me
23:32.52ollyperahps I'm just too oblivious
23:33.05carolsolly: maybe they are better behaved on your mailing lists.
23:33.16degasusmeflin: wtf? students attack the ones how evaluate them? ...
23:33.17nikhatziwhy attack a mentor? well, why attack anybody at first place?
23:33.26meflindegasus: yes they do
23:33.43carolsnikhatzi: because some people feel that makes them better than the person they're attacking. or more important. or special. or all of the above.
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23:34.26allmanSome people are wrong :-P
23:34.28nikhatziyeah but as degasus says, this is stupid... they are our mentors :/ do these things really happen? oO
23:34.29meflinthis one was special werid ... they asked about my xp first and where impressed then went all rabid on the last of certs
23:34.33ollycarols: we do try to keep a civilised tone
23:34.39carolsolly: me too :-)
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23:35.27meflinalso werid since the certs I am supposed to have is with hardware I do not use ...
23:35.46carolsmeflin: well you're not qualified otherwise! :-P
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23:36.06meflincarols: true
23:36.11carols:-)
23:36.13KolibriOS|yogevmeflin: We also got 1 proposal so far, and the student thought it would be funny to submit an exercise from a book as his own work :-) Well, maybe he also wanted to check my qualification, as your student did. So I showed him that I am qualified enough to notice that :-)
23:36.32ollyexperience will trump certificates quite quickly in most cases
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23:37.01meflinthe very small org has almost 100 years of xp with 4 ppl ....
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23:37.17terrimeflin: if they keep bothering you, send them to me and I'll whack them with my phd. ;)
23:37.23terriit's got to be good for something, right?
23:37.25meflinheh
23:37.34meflinI dono can I borrow it?
23:37.43carolsterri: i'm going to remember that for the future.
23:37.53carolsin case i need to whack someone with a phd.
23:39.34carolsokay, ttfn everyone
23:39.36carolssee you all tomorrow
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23:56.28KazimuthIs it possible to register as a student without knowing what college you'll be attending? I haven't gotten replies from colleges I applied to yet, but I'm fairly sure I'll have been accepted *somewhere* by April 21st.
23:57.50KolibriOS|yogevKazimuth: Student application deadline is March 21st, you need to fill the application till then, and it has a field which asks for college/university name.
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