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02:37.50 | gsocbot | edsiper: "next" is The student application period opens on 10th March |
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02:41.12 | olly | gsocbot: learn next as The student application period opens at 19:00UTC on 10th March |
02:41.13 | gsocbot | olly: "next" is (#1) The student application period opens on 10th March, or (#2) The student application period opens at 19:00UTC on 10th March |
02:41.18 | olly | !forget next 1 |
02:41.20 | gsocbot | olly: "next" is The student application period opens at 19:00UTC on 10th March |
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02:53.33 | new | .. |
02:53.44 | new | ^.^ |
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02:54.20 | new | hi evry1,this is adam, and i am new to gsoc |
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02:55.02 | new | can any1 tell me what type of projects cn be listed by students on gsoc? |
02:55.45 | DaSpirit | Have you been to the website? There are several organizations, each with their own ideas list. |
02:57.16 | new | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/search/google/gsoc2014, is this the site? and the project is to be listed by student or a student has to choose project already listed by org? |
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02:57.42 | DaSpirit | You choose an organization and you make a proposal for that organization. |
02:57.50 | DaSpirit | Each organization has an ideas list, and you can choose one of those. |
02:58.02 | DaSpirit | Or, you can make your own proposal for the organization. |
02:58.55 | new | I see, is orgs are listed somewhere for gsoc 2014? |
02:59.16 | DaSpirit | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014 |
03:00.32 | new | oh thanks for site DaSpirit! |
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03:33.45 | Xiqingongzi | Is OP there? |
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03:35.31 | Xiqingongzi | I want to ask some questions. |
03:35.35 | olly | Xiqingongzi: just ask your question - if someone can answer they will |
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03:37.08 | Xiqingongzi | i am not a college students,But i worked for OpenSource Project Before,Can I Join GSOC,I am a High School Student. |
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03:38.31 | olly | Xiqingongzi: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#2._Whos_eligible_to_participate_as_a |
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03:39.00 | olly | you need to be at least 18 on 21st April too |
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03:39.31 | olly | which excludes most high school students (though not all) |
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03:40.29 | Xiqingongzi | yes,i'm 18 years old |
03:41.17 | olly | well, you need to be able to show you've been accepted by a university on or by 21st April |
03:41.19 | Xiqingongzi | i borned in 1996/02/24,so,I could Join GSOC? |
03:41.56 | thiago | you were born, you didn't bear on that day |
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03:42.18 | Xiqingongzi | OMG,In China,We Test On 7,8 June |
03:42.23 | thiago | Xiqingongzi: the GSoC eligibility guidelines ask that you're 18 years or older on a given date. What date is it? |
03:42.42 | olly | thiago: we covered that - 21st April |
03:43.09 | olly | so Xiqingongzi is fine on the age requirement |
03:43.09 | thiago | olly: I know and you know it |
03:43.22 | thiago | I'm asking him to think |
03:43.33 | Xiqingongzi | Ok,It seem that I Just can join GSOC:'( |
03:43.45 | Xiqingongzi | in2015 |
03:44.09 | olly | Xiqingongzi: i'm afraid so if you won't know until June |
03:44.23 | olly | you can still contribute to open source projects, just not as a part of gsoc |
03:45.10 | Xiqingongzi | yeah,Now,I worked as a DocumentEditor for a OpenSource Blog |
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03:46.51 | olly | ok, cool - it's just some students don't seem to realise that most open source projects welcome new contributors, so gsoc isn't the only way to get involved |
03:49.13 | Xiqingongzi | I just perfer Google Than Baidu |
03:49.34 | Xiqingongzi | Google is useful on Programming |
03:49.43 | Xiqingongzi | Baidu is bad. |
03:51.27 | Xiqingongzi | Thanks For your Reply,I will Offline, Bye. |
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04:08.45 | stqism | olly: Funny how that works |
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04:56.46 | d3r1ck | kblin: i am working on my proposal |
04:57.19 | d3r1ck | kblin: what can be some things that can make your proposal to be accepted? |
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04:58.38 | olly | d3r1ck: http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch008_writing-a-proposal/ has some tips |
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05:03.56 | gsocbot | joshwambua: "next" is The student application period opens at 19:00UTC on 10th March |
05:04.27 | olly | wonders when the first person will ask why it's not open yet |
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05:13.14 | novochen | why it's not open yet? |
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05:20.37 | thiago | novochen: it's not open because it's not 19:00 UTC on 10th March yet |
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05:22.42 | stqism | novochen: thiago It actually has a countdown on the website. |
05:22.57 | d3r1ck | olly: the link you send is not working. |
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05:23.36 | stqism | d3r1ck: It worked here. |
05:23.44 | olly | d3r1ck: WFM |
05:23.59 | d3r1ck | stqism: send to me again stqism |
05:24.06 | d3r1ck | olly: what is WFM? |
05:24.11 | stqism | d3r1ck: http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch008_writing-a-proposal/ |
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05:24.17 | olly | Works For Me |
05:24.34 | d3r1ck | yes , now working |
05:24.45 | stqism | olly: Oh, to answer your question, not long ago ;) |
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05:25.40 | olly | wonders when the first person will ask not in response to me wondering when the first person will ask |
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05:36.48 | rkmohapatra | does every project ideas suggested by the organization get accepted |
05:36.59 | olly | rkmohapatra: no |
05:37.20 | olly | google allocate each org a certain number of student slots |
05:37.28 | olly | the org decides which proposals they want to accept |
05:38.22 | rkmohapatra | how can we know wich organization has how may slot |
05:38.29 | olly | nobody knows yet |
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05:38.42 | olly | it depends partly on how many good proposals they get |
05:39.12 | olly | if you're a student, I wouldn't obsess about the slots |
05:39.26 | olly | submit a good proposal to an org you really like |
05:39.37 | olly | if you have time, consider a second proposal to a second org you like |
05:39.49 | olly | and respond to any questions from the orgs promptly |
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05:41.15 | rkmohapatra | but every org gets a slot |
05:41.31 | olly | unless they ask for no slots, yes |
05:41.45 | olly | if an org get no good proposals, they don't have to take any students |
05:41.53 | olly | it's rare, but has happened apparently |
05:42.04 | rkmohapatra | olly:thank you |
05:42.45 | manofsnow | hey olly thanks for helping people all day, it means a lot |
05:43.14 | olly | np |
05:43.28 | olly | i've been waiting for thinks to compile or run quite a lot... |
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05:51.21 | d3r1ck | olly: which organisation do you want to work with? |
05:52.07 | stqism | olly isn't a student, d3r1ck |
05:52.18 | d3r1ck | stqism: really? |
05:52.34 | d3r1ck | olly: so what are you? |
05:52.36 | stqism | d3r1ck: I'm 99% sure no. |
05:52.46 | stqism | He's either a mentor org admin, or a mentor |
05:52.53 | stqism | Pretty sure an admin |
05:52.58 | d3r1ck | stqism: ok |
05:53.10 | d3r1ck | and you stqism, what about you? |
05:53.44 | stqism | d3r1ck: I'm a mentor org admin |
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05:55.31 | olly | is indeed an org admin |
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06:06.17 | faucon | what are the criteria for student to participate in gsoc2014? |
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06:08.50 | thiago | faucon: it's on the website |
06:09.06 | faucon | url? |
06:09.08 | olly | !eligibility | faucon |
06:09.08 | gsocbot | faucon: "eligibility" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#1._Are_there_any_age_restrictions_on |
06:09.45 | faucon | thnkx ;-) |
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09:56.32 | degasus | Is there a difference in applying exactly in 9 hours vs doing it in the next days? |
09:57.03 | d3r1ck | degasus: yes |
09:57.19 | PulkoMandy | well, it doesn't automatically maje your application better |
09:57.31 | PulkoMandy | but it gives more time to the mentors to review it and tell you how to improve it |
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09:58.09 | PulkoMandy | (some organizations would even allow you to send a draft by e-mail or so even before this, so you can get even more time) |
10:02.32 | CFS-MP3 | degasus I know we will be checking proposals as they arrive and providing feedback as quickly as possible... |
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10:17.02 | degasus | But still, google won't look closely at the applications, will they? I'm fine when only the orgs will evaluate them :D |
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10:18.20 | bipul | where the student can register ? |
10:19.34 | PulkoMandy | degasus: google doesn't look at the applications at all |
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10:20.25 | PulkoMandy | bipul: not yet - it opens in 8 hours or something like that |
10:22.16 | abhi001_ | what would be a good project for gsoc |
10:24.26 | degasus | abhi001_: tbh, trolling? |
10:24.34 | LordAro | abhi001_: you should be working that out for yourself |
10:25.16 | abhi001_ | please give a example of simple project |
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10:27.05 | degasus | abhi001_: an easy one to work or an easy one to get approved? |
10:27.55 | abhi001_ | an easy one to understand.. |
10:28.23 | abhi001_ | what is a project and how to do it |
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10:33.35 | abhi001_ | . |
10:35.28 | degasus | abhi001_: sorry, I'm just trolling. All projects are *much* harder than finding a good project (hint: all orgs have an idea page) |
10:36.51 | abhi001_ | okay |
10:37.24 | olly | abhi001_: try typing things you know (languages, technologies, etc) into the tag search on the org list to narrow down the orgs to look at |
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10:44.37 | abhi001_ | can i represent my own idea which does not relate orgs idea |
10:44.52 | abhi001_ | ?? |
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10:45.31 | olly | abhi001_: you can, but if it doesn't relate to the org's software, it'll likely be ignored |
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10:47.43 | abhi001_ | how to know what is requirement of orgs?? i visited idea page but couldn't find |
10:49.38 | abhi001_ | <olly>:how to know what is requirement of orgs?? i visited idea page but couldn't find |
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10:50.07 | abhi001_ | <olly> how to know what is requirement of orgs?? i visited idea page but couldn't find |
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10:50.38 | olly | doesn't understand what you're asking |
10:50.42 | abhi001_ | olly |
10:50.42 | olly | asking it twice doesn't help |
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10:51.02 | PulkoMandy | just ask the organization |
10:51.13 | PulkoMandy | they probably have an IRC channel or mailing list or some other way to contact them |
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13:05.49 | gribozavr | is there anything I should do to register as a mentor at this point? |
13:06.23 | Niharika | Too late, it´s gone, it won´t come back... |
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13:07.27 | darnir | Hah. As far as I'm aware, you can register whenever you want as a mentor. |
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13:08.55 | gribozavr | darnir: I see! thanks! there is an interesting gsoc proposal that I'd like to mentor, and I wonder if there is any FAQ that I could read to become faimliar with this process |
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13:09.29 | darnir | gribozavr: Try reasing the mentoring manual on flossmanuals |
13:09.43 | darnir | gribozavr: http://en.flossmanuals.net/gsocmentoring/ |
13:11.13 | gribozavr | darnir: thanks! |
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13:11.19 | darnir | Sure |
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13:15.20 | olly | gribozavr: org pick mentors from among their existing communities |
13:16.00 | gribozavr | olly: oh, I see. so as long as the student and the project gets accepted, the mentor will be selected later? |
13:16.28 | darnir | No, usually the mentor is someone who has been with the community for a while and knows the relevant codebase thoroughly |
13:16.37 | darnir | And also the functioning of the community. |
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13:17.09 | olly | org are very unlikely to take a mentor they've never heard of |
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13:17.14 | gribozavr | darnir: sure. I just want to understand if I should do anything more than discussing the proposal on the malinig list with the student |
13:17.14 | olly | *orgs |
13:17.43 | darnir | gribozavr: Yes. You should be a known figure in the organization before you become a mentor. |
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13:17.59 | olly | if you're already involved, then you'll want to sign up in melange and ask to mentor for the org you're involved with |
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13:18.14 | gribozavr | darnir: yes, I am already a long-time contributor |
13:18.44 | gribozavr | olly: here? https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/profile/register/org_member/google/gsoc2014 |
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13:19.22 | olly | gribozavr: that URL looks plausible |
13:20.03 | olly | i have a profile already though, so I can't really check |
13:20.24 | olly | once you've a profile, you need to "make a connection" or something like that |
13:20.39 | olly | then the org admin has to ok it, so include something to make it clear who you are |
13:21.02 | gribozavr | olly: oh, I see. It was a bit confusing for me because it looked like that URL is for registering an *organization* |
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13:21.44 | olly | gribozavr: oh, the agreement thing is worded for an org admin rather than a mentor |
13:22.14 | gribozavr | olly: exactly |
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14:22.04 | edsiper | today is the day |
14:22.14 | gevaerts | Well |
14:22.17 | gevaerts | Yes and no |
14:22.20 | downey | Today is *a* day :) |
14:22.22 | gevaerts | Yesterday was also a day! |
14:22.46 | downey | gevaerts: Tomorrow will also be a day. |
14:22.50 | edsiper | could be or not to be |
14:22.59 | edsiper | but a day is a day |
14:23.03 | MyrAchle | Everyday is a day. |
14:23.14 | DogeHayashi | yesterday was Sunday, today it is Monday, we we we so excited, we so exited, we gonna have a ball today |
14:23.25 | DogeHayashi | tomorrow is Tuesday, and Wednesday comes afterwards |
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14:24.33 | edsiper | its a day to day |
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14:25.36 | downey | tea |
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14:43.14 | libergeekingkid_ | can some body help regarding selection of a project |
14:43.16 | libergeekingkid_ | ? |
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15:26.16 | ha3 | The last time I looked into gsoc, we had the option to choose a mentoring organization project or propose one. It looks like from the site that there is only proposal now. Is this true? |
15:28.11 | umccullough | ha3, the orgs still provide ideas you can choos from, but you are responsible for writing up a proposal |
15:28.25 | ha3 | ok thanks umccullough |
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15:28.41 | umccullough | *choose |
15:28.45 | umccullough | sips his coffee |
15:29.24 | ha3 | wishes he had a coffee to sup |
15:29.31 | ha3 | sip* |
15:29.35 | ha3 | obviously need coffee |
15:29.38 | umccullough | :) |
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16:16.48 | gsocbot | joshwambua: "next" is The student application period opens at 19:00UTC on 10th March |
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16:19.21 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
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16:19.49 | MatthewWilkes | carols! |
16:19.52 | carols | hi MatthewWilkes |
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16:33.10 | carols | so quiet in here |
16:33.16 | carols | is everyone prepping their proposals, i guess? |
16:33.34 | Palash | nods in agreement :) |
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16:33.58 | carols | well good then :-) |
16:34.04 | carols | have some coffee to fuel you :-) |
16:34.24 | Ivanovic | carols: i am just quiet because i got a laryngitis and the doc said i should try to keep speaking to the absolute minimum... |
16:34.34 | carols | i'm sorry to hear that, Ivanovic :-( |
16:34.43 | Ivanovic | already the 2nd week with it |
16:34.53 | Palash | Yeah coffee is quite important now, its approaching midnight here :) |
16:35.25 | Ivanovic | carols: ah, there are worse illnesses to have |
16:35.43 | Ivanovic | carols: physically i am feeling almost fit, minus the aching throat |
16:35.59 | carols | well, true, but just because there are worse illnesses doesn't mean the one you have doesn't suck |
16:36.29 | Ivanovic | that is right |
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16:44.21 | ssscoder | anyone working on Command-line translation memory fuzzy-match repair project? |
16:44.30 | carols | ssscoder: is this for a specific org? |
16:44.45 | carols | ssscoder: probably better to ask in that specific org's channel |
16:45.59 | ankush92 | <PROTECTED> |
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16:46.15 | carols | ankush92: well, we never know until we make the allocations, of course |
16:46.27 | carols | but generally, yes, we give fewer slots to new orgs who don't know how much work gsoc is |
16:48.05 | ankush92 | carols: Do older organizations get more slots even if they don't receive as many proposals as some newer ones? |
16:48.29 | carols | ankush92: have you read the slot allocations document? |
16:48.33 | carols | that might help you. |
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16:48.57 | ankush92 | carols: Where may I find it? |
16:49.23 | carols | ankush92: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/studentallocations |
16:49.33 | kblin | !slots |
16:49.33 | gsocbot | kblin: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/studentallocations |
16:49.45 | carols | thanks kblin |
16:50.14 | kblin | my pleasure, I was mostly checking if I remembered the correct factoid |
16:51.47 | carols | kblin: don't you have computers for that? |
16:51.48 | carols | :-) |
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16:55.47 | kblin | carols: I could teach the bot a factoid containing the factoids I usually neeed... :-D |
16:55.52 | carols | exactly :-) |
16:55.56 | ankush92 | carols: I came across an organization's page which mentions in its description that it is one of the "founding organizations" of GSoC. I didn't find any reference to any list of founding organizations. I'm curious which other organizations are such. |
16:56.21 | kblin | one of mine is.. :) |
16:56.44 | PulkoMandy | I guess that just means they did the 2005 edition? |
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16:56.59 | kblin | that's my assumption, yes |
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16:57.33 | carols | ankush92: i don't know what that means, so i can't really tell you who else would qualify |
16:57.39 | kblin | back when the proposal submission form was a <textarea> that submitted to chris' inbox |
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16:58.21 | kblin | but arguably "founding organisation" sounds like they invented it, which isn't quite right |
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16:59.15 | carols | kblin: exactly why i don't know what it means |
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17:00.47 | kblin | but using PulkoMandy's interpretation of "orgs that have been part of the 2005 gsoc", I'm pretty sure the internet has a list for that |
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17:01.50 | kblin | now if only there was a company that had a product that allowed people to search for terms like "gsoc 2005" through a lot of web pages |
17:02.27 | gevaerts | As far as I know, there are 12 organisations that have been part of all gsocs |
17:03.06 | kblin | carols: I guess unless that's text from the OSPO project, no other definition of "founding org" is valid :) |
17:03.15 | carols | it is not our text :-) |
17:03.28 | carols | and in fact, if that org has been participating since 2005 they should know better |
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17:04.44 | kblin | https://developers.google.com/open-source/soc/2005/ has the list, btw :) |
17:05.19 | gevaerts | 38 of them, I believe! |
17:05.32 | carols | well... |
17:05.47 | carols | the list of orgs that participated in 2005 is not the list of orgs that have participated every year since 2005 |
17:05.52 | gevaerts | Indeed not |
17:05.57 | MatthewWilkes | Or that org just has someone that doesn't speak english very well editing their website |
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17:06.19 | MatthewWilkes | the difference between founding and initial is quite thin |
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17:06.31 | gevaerts | The problem is orgs using different ids and new spellings of their name every year |
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17:06.50 | kblin | you mean like "GAIM" -> pidgin? |
17:06.50 | gevaerts | It was quite a bit of work to match them all :) |
17:06.55 | SK302 | Looks like application period is opening today. If we never talked to any organization through IRC or submitted any patch, do we still stand a chance at getting selected? |
17:07.02 | carols | SK302: of course |
17:07.05 | carols | start now :-) |
17:07.19 | carols | it's not too late until the deadline has passed |
17:07.24 | kblin | SK302: instead of talking to us, talk to the mentoring org. :-D |
17:07.29 | carols | what kblin said! |
17:07.30 | SK302 | carols: thanks, but I will have to be lazy due to time constraints. |
17:07.36 | carols | SK302: don't be lazy |
17:07.45 | kblin | SK302: sleep is overrated |
17:07.45 | carols | that will limit your chances more than not having talked to the org will |
17:08.05 | gevaerts | kblin: that sort of thing, yes |
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17:08.57 | kblin | though as a warning, I did an all-nighter to read up on the gsoc project I was proposing in 2005, and I've never found my way out of here again |
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17:09.50 | SK302 | kblin: sleep is good. :P |
17:10.09 | ishitva | Hello all , I have some query regarding the Proof of Enrollment |
17:10.15 | carols | ishitva: sure |
17:10.19 | carols | how can we help |
17:10.20 | carols | ? |
17:10.28 | ishitva | I wanted to know about the Proof of Enrollment Document to be submitted . I have a College ID card on the back of which it is mentioned that it is valid upto August 2014 , so will it be sufficient to submit ? |
17:10.53 | carols | does it meet the requirements on our instructions? |
17:11.25 | ishitva | My name and Photo is on the front , but the address and Validity is mentioned on the back . It says that it is valid upto August 2014 |
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17:11.44 | carols | okay, then you're asking if you should submit both the back and front? |
17:11.46 | carols | yes, you should |
17:12.03 | ishitva | I hope then it won't be a problem ? |
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17:12.21 | carols | "Rather than ask questions on the mailing list about whether or not the document you have is acceptable as proof of enrollment, simply submit the document to Melange. If it is not what we need, we will request an alternate document from you." http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
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17:12.46 | ishitva | Okay . So can I submit it tomorrow for a review ? |
17:13.02 | carols | ishitva: you can submit it today, tomorrow...any time before you submit your proposal |
17:13.08 | ishitva | Okay |
17:13.12 | carols | well, and before the deadline, of course |
17:13.20 | carols | but hopefully that's obvious |
17:13.32 | ishitva | Then I'll try to get the scanned copy tomorrow . |
17:13.34 | kblin | SK302: I'm pretty sure that gsoc changed my life, that totally was worth that one night of missed sleep :) |
17:13.36 | carols | cool |
17:13.47 | carols | kblin: how has gsoc changed your life? |
17:14.06 | PulkoMandy | it sure does |
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17:14.17 | PulkoMandy | is now working full-time for the org he did GSoC for |
17:14.32 | PulkoMandy | well... if the ycan get enough donations to pay me next month, that is |
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17:15.24 | SK302 | kblin: Cool. I'll still give it my best, but to be honest I'm gonna submit 5 proposals as soon as the application opens (maybe I stand a better chance being one of the earlier submitters? ).If I don't get accepted I can try again next year. ;) |
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17:15.43 | kblin | carols: I learned more about programming in real projects than during all those years studying comp-sci |
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17:15.51 | carols | kblin: awesome :-) |
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17:16.16 | kblin | carols: which in turn gives me so many more options when looking for jobs/projects in life now |
17:16.38 | carols | indeed, i've heard that from a lot of students |
17:16.53 | kblin | not to mention all the great people you meet when you're doing open source stuff |
17:16.57 | PulkoMandy | SK302: it's not really first come - first served here, you'll be expected to interract with the community of the org you're applying for, and probably updating your proposals from their feedback |
17:17.16 | PulkoMandy | and managing to build 5 *good* proposals is very hard - I'd suggest concentrating on one or two |
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17:17.38 | PulkoMandy | kblin: ... and the tea! |
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17:18.08 | gevaerts | SK302: sounds like you're treating this as a lottery. It isn't one |
17:18.45 | JordiGH | What do you guys do when people approach you who have never heard of your project before? Do you guys have some good stories of how complete strangers went on to become core contributors thanks to GSoC? |
17:18.51 | SK302 | PulkoMandy: Thanks, I'll consider your suggestion of doing 2 good ones. |
17:19.36 | umccullough | not sure submitting early makes a difference |
17:19.50 | PulkoMandy | JordiGH: yes. we don't have a 100% success rate on this, but we got some students to join our developer team over the years |
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17:20.18 | PulkoMandy | umccullough: I think the only thing it gives is more time for the mentors to review the proposal, and for the student to improve it |
17:20.19 | SK302 | gevaerts: You're right, but GSOC timing is inconvenient for me... so I'll submit whatever I can and see if I get in. ;) |
17:20.33 | umccullough | PulkoMandy, in some cases, i suppose that's true |
17:20.43 | gevaerts | SK302: it's a waste of time then |
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17:21.22 | gevaerts | If you don't have the time to work on a high-quality proposal, go out and have fun, don't spend time on making a poor proposal |
17:21.37 | kblin | JordiGH: I was a Wine developer for a couple of years, and I hadn't used Wine before GSoC |
17:21.59 | kblin | I mean, I probably had tried to use it for a game and failed, or the like |
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17:23.29 | kblin | JordiGH: and the main reason I went and switched to being more of a Samba person these days is that Wine had some trouble with their Org application in 2007, and I instead wrote a project proposal for samba |
17:23.33 | SK302 | gevaerts: I suppose you're right, it's not fair to the organizations if I waste their time on low quality proposals. I will likely end up spending time on 2 high-quality proposals. |
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17:24.29 | gevaerts | tries to think of a good short name for someone who does both Samba and WINE |
17:24.49 | gevaerts | No, nothing |
17:24.52 | kblin | JordiGH: that said, I did spend time to research both the org and the topic of my proposal prior to submitting the proposal |
17:24.57 | kblin | gevaerts: lunatic? |
17:24.58 | MatthewWilkes | gevaerts: It's obviously simba |
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17:25.23 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: that's an OSX release! |
17:26.27 | kblin | speaking of Wine... |
17:26.42 | kblin | Andre_H: looks like your org logo for the melange profile is broken |
17:26.51 | kblin | and hi :) |
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17:27.50 | KolibriOS|yogev | gevaerts: Umm... Carnival? |
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17:29.17 | kblin | KolibriOS|yogev: not convinced. I spent past of this year's carnival in cologne, and that looked more like "funky chicken" and beer |
17:29.37 | kblin | though "funky chicken" also is a great name for an open source org |
17:30.45 | kblin | I should try to name the next academic software I write that way |
17:31.10 | kblin | I wonder if there's a program to create backronyms |
17:31.27 | kblin | otherwise I already know what software I'll be writing |
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17:33.01 | KolibriOS|yogev | gevaerts: I was thinking more about Brazilian one :-) |
17:33.28 | KolibriOS|yogev | err, kblin |
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17:34.44 | kblin | Andre_H: you probably want http://source.winehq.org/git/website.git/blob_plain/HEAD:/images/winehq_logo_glass_sm.png instead |
17:35.09 | kblin | KolibriOS|yogev: :) |
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17:36.21 | rip | can I ask a question. Will the ideas listed on an org will be accepted by gsoc? |
17:36.25 | SK302 | If an organization has many umbrellas, is each umbrella guaranteed a specific # of slots? |
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17:36.42 | carols | rip: you mean if you submit the proposal to the org to work on a particular idea? |
17:36.50 | rip | yes |
17:36.51 | carols | SK302: no, nothing is guaranteed |
17:37.00 | carols | rip: then it's up to the org which proposals they accept... |
17:37.18 | carols | rip: so you should ask them |
17:37.20 | SK302 | carols: so then I should go for popular umbrella organizations then, because some might not get a slot. |
17:37.37 | rip | gsoc allocate slots and orgs check the proposals? |
17:37.40 | carols | SK302: you should go for whatever project idea you are most motivated and enthusiastic about |
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17:37.56 | SK302 | ok |
17:37.59 | carols | SK302: and apply to the org you most want to work with |
17:38.04 | Andre_H | kblin: i'll take a look, thx |
17:38.34 | darnir | kblin you're in cologne? |
17:38.54 | carols | darnir: could you and kblin take this to a PM? |
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17:39.26 | kblin | carols: aye.. |
17:39.30 | carols | cheers |
17:39.55 | kblin | rip: yes, pretty much |
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17:40.35 | darnir | carols: Sure. |
17:40.49 | rip | kblin: carols thank you, I got it |
17:41.04 | kblin | rip: the orgs rank their proposals, ask for slots, google funds N slots for the org => the top N proposals get selected |
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17:43.29 | kblin | rip: the exact procedure is a bit more complex because students are allowed to submit more than one proposal, but can only be selected once |
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17:44.33 | rip | kblin: how many slots will XEN get this year? |
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17:45.10 | SK302 | Can "technical writing" be a GSOC project? It's listed as an idea on Wikimedia. |
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17:45.23 | kblin | between 0 and 1500, I guess |
17:46.08 | darnir | SK302: Usually documentation projects are not allowed |
17:46.10 | rip | kblin: ... what that mean? |
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17:46.22 | kblin | likely closer to the first number than the second :) |
17:46.44 | SK302 | darnir: that's what I thought from the rules, but Wikimedia has 2 documentation projects on their ideas page. It's misleading. |
17:46.59 | kblin | rip: that's a fancy way of saying "nobody knows yet" |
17:47.01 | kblin | :) |
17:47.17 | rip | ^^ |
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17:55.04 | dufferzafar | I saw some discussion about the proof-of-enrollment. |
17:55.13 | dufferzafar | can I just upload a pic of my ID-Card ? |
17:55.27 | dufferzafar | it has both issue dat and validity.. |
17:56.23 | carols | dufferzafar: a pic would be equivalent to a scanned copy, right? |
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17:57.05 | dufferzafar | only if I get perfect lighting on the pic ;) |
17:57.18 | carols | dufferzafar: well, i can't help you with that :-) |
17:57.19 | JordiGH | Is the application period starting yet? |
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17:57.27 | dufferzafar | but yeah, the date would be perfectly legible |
17:57.36 | carols | JordiGH: there's a great little countdown timer on the melange homepage |
17:57.37 | dufferzafar | shouldnt be a problem I guess... |
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17:58.02 | dufferzafar | also: can I update my proposal, once I have submitted it?? |
17:58.09 | SK302 | 1 hour 2 minutes remaining, I have it on auto-refresh. |
17:58.14 | JordiGH | carols: I suppose that 500'ing means it's starting? :-) |
17:58.44 | carols | JordiGH: no, i wouldn't assume that, you'll probably want to speak to #melange about that |
17:58.51 | carols | i don't get a 500... |
17:59.04 | JordiGH | Got the page after a couple of reloads. |
17:59.11 | carols | great |
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17:59.34 | SK302 | carols: the GSOC ideas page on Wikimedia has 2 documentation projects but Googles page at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#12._Are_proposals_for_documentation_work says documentation-only work isn't allowed. So I'm wondering if they made some special exception for Wikimedia or if this is a mistake. |
17:59.46 | carols | SK302: this is a mistake |
17:59.53 | carols | there is not documentation projects allowed for gsoc |
18:00.04 | SK302 | carols: ok, thanks. I'll edit it out of the Wiki. |
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18:00.10 | carols | great |
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18:00.25 | carols | wow, my grammar on that last sentence was horrible |
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18:00.47 | gevaerts | SK302: I'd notify the wikimedia people instead |
18:01.13 | gevaerts | Students editing ideas pages without discussion could be seen as rather "unusual" |
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18:02.41 | dufferzafar | can documentation be a part of the project? |
18:02.46 | SK302 | gevaerts: ok, notified someone on #wikimedia and they'll take care of it |
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18:02.57 | dufferzafar | and what about updating the proposal after adding it? |
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18:03.19 | gevaerts | dufferzafar: as in, making sure the new feature you build is documented? Sure |
18:03.33 | gevaerts | dufferzafar: you can edit proposals up to the application deadline |
18:03.40 | dufferzafar | okay. |
18:03.42 | dufferzafar | thanks. |
18:04.05 | SK302 | This isn't the first organization I'm seeing that has documentation ideas, good thing I read the rules otherwise my proposal would have been wasted. |
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18:04.47 | gevaerts | Actually, an evil organisation might use documentation projects to weed out students who didn't read te rules :) |
18:04.57 | dufferzafar | I read somewhere that the proposal should be just plain text? |
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18:05.05 | KolibriOS|yogev | gevaerts: Haha, good one |
18:05.28 | KolibriOS|yogev | is going do add a documentation project to our ideas page :-) |
18:05.41 | SK302 | gevaerts: I would have deserved it too lol. I'm gonna work on 2 quality proposals and then scour for "easy projects" for the other 3 proposals. |
18:06.26 | gevaerts | SK302: you know the rules say you can submit up to five proposals but they don't say you have ti submit five proposals, right? |
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18:07.05 | gevaerts | dufferzafar: html might be possible on melange (not sure), but in general, check what the organisation wants. Some of them allow (or even require) e.g. proposals on melange that are links to their wiki, or links to a pdf proposal, ... |
18:07.45 | SK302 | gevaerts: I know, but it will increase my chances. |
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18:07.48 | dufferzafar | I am currently creating it in markdown (on github). Will ask the org to be sure. |
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18:08.55 | gevaerts | likes saying "yes and no" and "it depends", so answering questions about gsoc is *perfect* :) |
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18:19.47 | carols | serves some more coffee and tea |
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18:25.31 | YoAbhi | guys i want to work on mobile application. then how to make proposal for it?? |
18:25.45 | carols | YoAbhi: first would be to find the org you want to work with |
18:25.57 | carols | YoAbhi: second would be to see if they have any mobile app ideas on their ideas page |
18:25.59 | YoAbhi | yes i got it |
18:26.03 | carols | great |
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18:27.41 | YoAbhi | i see their idea |
18:27.53 | YoAbhi | what they want in app |
18:28.05 | carols | YoAbhi: and you've spoken to them about it? |
18:28.13 | carols | since this is the channel for gsoc, not for specific orgs... |
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18:28.16 | YoAbhi | not yet |
18:28.23 | carols | ok, then that's your next step |
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18:29.54 | VaticanCameos | carols: I admire how patient and helpful you are, but don't you find this routine a little repetitive? o.o |
18:30.02 | carols | VaticanCameos: of course i do |
18:30.05 | carols | but it's my job |
18:30.17 | carols | surely there's something you find repetitive about your day to day life that you do anyway? |
18:30.36 | YoAbhi | but what i have to tell them.. about my idea?? |
18:30.42 | carols | if i chose not to do all the things in my life i find repetitive i'd have no clean clothes :-) |
18:30.58 | carols | YoAbhi: have you read the student manual? |
18:31.08 | YoAbhi | nope :P |
18:31.14 | carols | YoAbhi: then that's a good thing to do |
18:31.28 | VaticanCameos | carols: Hmm..indeed I do. You're right. |
18:31.33 | carols | VaticanCameos: :-) |
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18:32.46 | VaticanCameos | I was going through your blog the other night. Interesting, how you keep yourself motivated. |
18:32.58 | carols | VaticanCameos: how i keep myself motivated? |
18:33.01 | carols | what do you mean? |
18:33.11 | carols | oh, you mean for program management? |
18:33.17 | VaticanCameos | That *was* your blog right? The one about program management? |
18:33.23 | carols | VaticanCameos: yeah, indeed |
18:33.35 | carols | probably best a topic taken offline since this is a gsoc channel |
18:34.19 | VaticanCameos | My apologies for going offtopic. I was just bored :D |
18:34.28 | carols | :-) |
18:35.56 | SK302 | Don't need to apologize VaticanCameos. You just gave me an idea for some of my proposals. |
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18:37.15 | VaticanCameos | SK302: Really? How is there anything in what I said? o.O |
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18:39.11 | SK302 | VaticanCameos: Using flattery in some of my proposals. ;) |
18:39.27 | VaticanCameos | A little flattery never goes amiss. Just don't overdo it :P |
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18:47.30 | socks__ | hi all! |
18:47.48 | carols | hi socks__! |
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18:50.30 | wiruzx | 9 minutes remaining :) |
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18:51.31 | VarunAgw | 8 |
18:51.41 | carols | okay, no countdowns |
18:51.45 | carols | otherwise i'll mute the channel |
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18:52.43 | devenbhooshan | Excited !!!! |
18:52.43 | CFS-MP3 | Why the excitement? I mean, the exciting date is April 21st... nothing special happening in 8 minutes, you guys should have already been talking to orgs, discussing things, and even emailing drafts :-) |
18:52.43 | downey | thank you :) |
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18:53.14 | carols | yw downey |
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18:53.25 | downey | tea anyone? |
18:53.31 | SK302 | CFS-MP3: because now we can apply |
18:53.41 | carols | thanks downey |
18:53.45 | VarunAgw | CFS-MP3, Its still exciting. Only students can understand this |
18:53.45 | carols | sips some tea |
18:53.58 | devenbhooshan | thanks downey |
18:54.13 | gevaerts | VarunAgw: you mean only students don't understand it isn't? :) |
18:54.33 | devenbhooshan | 5 |
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18:54.49 | carols | devenbhooshan: once more and i'll kick you |
18:54.51 | carols | no countdowns |
18:54.59 | SK302 | lol carols just said she'll mute if there are more countdowns devenbhooshan |
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18:55.54 | CFS-MP3 | VarunAgw please give me the benefit of the doubt and assume I've been a student at some point :-) |
18:55.55 | carols | have some tea and coffee instead. |
18:56.06 | devenbhooshan | 4 :p |
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18:56.20 | revzin | Hi all. Is is critical to submit proof of enrollment in English? (I'm from Bauman Moscow State Tech University.) I can probably get a notorized translation of my student ID and/or an official letter of confirmation, but it's PITA I'd really like to avoid if possible. |
18:56.28 | SK302 | looks like someone was too excited |
18:56.34 | carols | revzin: if it's not in english you need to also submit a translation with it |
18:56.34 | VarunAgw | lol |
18:56.50 | darnir | When carols says something. She means it. Don't mess with her |
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18:57.13 | tpki | probably he didn't get the meaning of getting kicked. :P |
18:57.32 | VarunAgw | But, I thought that was a joke (I guess devenbhooshan thought the same) |
18:57.48 | revzin | carols: The translation doesn't have to be a notarized? |
18:57.50 | darnir | carols doesn't joke. Not about countdowns. |
18:57.57 | cdev | ya I thought that was a joke !!!! |
18:57.58 | carols | revzin: no, it does not need to be notarized. |
18:58.02 | carols | it wasn't a joke |
18:58.05 | carols | no countdowns |
18:58.06 | revzin | Great, thanks |
18:58.07 | SK302 | she repeated it twice, so it was obvious she was serious |
18:58.10 | carols | i'll kick anyone else who does it too |
18:58.17 | gevaerts | Why would trying to avoid utter chaos be a joke? |
18:58.19 | wiruzx | revzin: hello russia :) |
18:58.22 | cdev | sorry !!! |
18:58.33 | SK302 | she never said you can't count up ;) |
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18:58.54 | carols | okay, we've muted for a while while everyone calms down |
18:58.59 | carols | i'll unmute in a bit |
18:59.08 | carols | have some tea while you wait. |
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19:01.00 | *** topic/#gsoc by carols -> Student applications are being accepted until 21 March, see the program timeline: http://goo.gl/Anraxm or deadline announcer: http://goo.gl/1ZefN4 for more info | The Google Summer of Code 2014 mentoring orgs list is at: http://goo.gl/Qx6xLC |
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19:04.41 | carols | okay everyone, i'll unmute the channel for now, but please be aware that i will mute it again if it gets unruly in here |
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19:06.12 | wiruzx | What means "major" in terms of university? |
19:06.20 | carols | wiruzx: your field of study |
19:06.37 | wiruzx | carols: specializations? |
19:06.41 | carols | sure |
19:06.58 | wiruzx | thanks |
19:07.07 | carols | yw |
19:07.09 | d33tah | hold on |
19:07.20 | d33tah | requesting a role in an organization |
19:07.32 | d33tah | does this mean applying as a student as well? |
19:07.38 | carols | d33tah: no, it does not |
19:07.42 | d33tah | i see. |
19:07.52 | d33tah | i "connected" and then said i don't request a role. i hope it's nothing wrong. |
19:08.09 | carols | d33tah: a good question to ask #melange |
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19:09.00 | s37syed | hello! |
19:09.12 | carols | hi s37syed |
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19:11.18 | d33tah | carols: is it possible that the organization just didn't upload the proposal template yet? |
19:11.36 | carols | d33tah: that's certainly possible. you should speak to them about it. |
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19:12.27 | TCD | Are we able to register as a student and not file proposals until later? |
19:12.35 | TCD | or is it an all-at-once? |
19:12.40 | rubbersheep | carols: i am applying as a student. Do i have to fill the "Connection" section? |
19:12.43 | d33tah | TCD: last year it was definitely possible |
19:12.50 | carols | TCD: yes, you're welcome to register and not submit a proposal |
19:12.53 | wiruzx | In field public name i should write my actual name or it can by nickname? |
19:12.56 | carols | rubbersheep: no |
19:13.01 | TCD | carols: Thanks! I'll register now so I don't forget |
19:13.09 | rubbersheep | carols: thanks |
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19:13.39 | cdev | what is enrollment form ? |
19:14.02 | carols | cdev: your proof that you're a student |
19:14.22 | cdev | so how can i get it ? |
19:14.34 | carols | cdev: from your university |
19:14.40 | cdev | okzz |
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19:16.49 | nikhatzi | hello everybody :) is it just me or is the project submit form missing from my dashboard? Thank you in advance :) |
19:17.03 | carols | nikhatzi: that is a question for #melange |
19:17.05 | carols | cheers |
19:17.10 | nikhatzi | ok ty carols :) |
19:17.12 | carols | yw |
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19:17.45 | archana | and what is enrollment form? |
19:17.49 | vorobeez | hello gues. I have a question for you. I am a student and I want to participate in gsoc. At now i live and studying in Ivanovo(Russia) but at summer(and after the summer) i wiil live in Crimea(Simferopol), where lives my parents. I don't know what adress choose for my profile. And if i choose Simferopol And if I choose Simferopol, then a week later he may join Russia. What do you advise me to do? Can I then change the address? |
19:17.55 | notsachin | carols: I'm a student but the university gives me a diploma. Am I eligible? |
19:18.07 | carols | notsachin: you're eligible if you meet the eligibility criteria |
19:18.11 | vorobeez | guys* |
19:18.12 | archana | what information I have to provide in this |
19:18.30 | carols | archana: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
19:18.42 | notsachin | carols: okay, thanks |
19:18.49 | carols | vorobeez: you should choose the address that's accurate for your home and shipping address. |
19:19.36 | TCD | It says to include the country code...does mobile need a CC? D: |
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19:19.46 | vorobeez | carols: does not matter what country? |
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19:20.04 | carols | vorobeez: as long as it's not a country that is ineligible for the program |
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19:20.46 | vorobeez | carols: Thank you very much. |
19:20.47 | gevaerts | TCD: you mean for a phone number? If you want that phone number to be usable and correct, yes of course |
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19:21.36 | archana | okay only after I upload this I will be allowed to submit the proposal? |
19:21.45 | fewcha | carols: what is meant by the enrollment form? |
19:21.47 | carols | archana: correct |
19:21.49 | rubbersheep | carols: my profile doesn't show enrolment form. how do i get to see that section? |
19:22.00 | Beornwulf | :( the limit to "only A-z, 0-9, - and whitespace" in the signup form is really unhelpful |
19:22.02 | carols | fewcha: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
19:22.04 | carols | rubbersheep: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
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19:23.28 | TCD | Yeah, got it sorted :P |
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19:24.38 | edsiper | is there a way to delete the connection requests ? |
19:24.50 | edsiper | just got a few students applying as mentors |
19:24.50 | carols | edsiper: #melange |
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19:25.42 | rubbersheep | carols: I guess I signed in as a mentor. How do i change it in my profile? probably that i why i cannot see the enrolment form section in my profile |
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19:25.49 | carols | rubbersheep: #melange |
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19:26.58 | s37syed | hey carols! quick question regarding proof of enrollment: does it have to neccessarily be a transcript? a letter containing the proof of my enrollment should suffice right? is there something else I can do like take a print screen shot of my current and fall semester course list from my student website? |
19:27.36 | SK302 | Is there a way to delete accounts? I want to use my other Gmail account and used my work one. |
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19:28.30 | pchr8 | thanks for reminding me :) Too an enrollment question -- would a scan of the paper that in Ukraine is used as proof that I am a student be okay? So called "student ticket" |
19:28.31 | carols | s37syed: did you read the instructions? |
19:28.51 | carols | SK302: #melange |
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19:29.05 | SK302 | carols: ok, thanks. |
19:29.09 | carols | yw |
19:29.35 | fewcha | carols: If I give a photo copy of my student id card rather than a scanned copy of it, would it be okay? |
19:29.37 | s37syed | carols: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment it doesn't neceessarily say how the course list should be submitted |
19:29.47 | carols | fewcha: did you read the instructions? |
19:29.48 | TCD | 'Transcript in .txt format is NOT acceptable.' <-- so is the only acceptable form a photo or a scanned form, rather than digital->digital? |
19:29.52 | carols | s37syed: yes it does |
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19:30.23 | carols | s37syed: you read "How to Submit Your Proof of Enrollment"? |
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19:30.41 | carols | TCD: "Rather than ask questions on the mailing list about whether or not the document you have is acceptable as proof of enrollment, simply submit the document to Melange. If it is not what we need, we will request an alternate document from you." |
19:30.57 | fewcha | carols: yes, it says "a scanned copy of your student identification card that shows you were enrolled as of 21 April 2014". My card does show I was enrolled as of 21 April 2014. But would a photocopy rather than a scan of it be okay? |
19:31.12 | carols | fewcha: sure |
19:31.18 | TCD | carols: Sorry :p |
19:31.20 | fewcha | carols: okay, thanks :) |
19:31.32 | s37syed | carols: ok I guess i'll submit a bunch of photos and hopefully it works thanks |
19:31.42 | socks__ | carols: Got a question about the registration. Will our name be displayed somewhere in the GSoC website? |
19:31.54 | carols | socks__: yes, your public name will be |
19:32.09 | carols | on the accepted students list and on your proposal should you choose to make it public |
19:32.18 | socks__ | carols: but not the real one? |
19:32.23 | carols | socks__: no |
19:32.30 | socks__ | ok thanks |
19:32.33 | carols | yw |
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19:36.29 | archana | carol_ the enrollment form will take me 4- 5 days to get from the colleg |
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19:36.59 | archana | before that will I not be able to submit the proposal |
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19:37.39 | carols | archana: okay... |
19:37.40 | archana | last year students had to submit it after they were selected rite? |
19:37.46 | carols | archana: correct |
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19:38.57 | carols | downey: i think it's going to work :-) |
19:39.12 | archana | so before that can I submit my proposal to the org. in google doc format |
19:39.21 | archana | to them dirctly |
19:39.27 | carols | archana: no, you cannot submit a proposal until you have submitted your proof of enrollment |
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19:39.29 | downey | carols: heh. :) |
19:39.42 | notsachin | i don't see any option to create a proposal |
19:40.00 | carols | notsachin: have you signed up for a student profile and submitted your proof of enrollment? |
19:40.00 | gevaerts | archana: you can discuss things with the organisation, and show drafts, but you can't formally submit it |
19:40.37 | sumanah | hi darnir |
19:41.47 | notsachin | carols: Profile has been created. I see. This time you're collecting proof of enrollment in advanced. |
19:41.50 | sumanah | darnir: you had a question for me? |
19:42.04 | carols | notsachin: indeed we are, as per the FAQs this year |
19:42.28 | notsachin | okay thanks |
19:42.31 | carols | yw |
19:42.49 | fewcha | carols: is this okay for a student id proof? http://wstaw.org/m/2014/03/10/goodone.jpg |
19:42.55 | edk_ | where do we indicate the organization's name that we are applying to? (filename, title?) |
19:43.16 | carols | fewcha: firstly, don't post anything in a public channel like that. secondly, it explicitly says on the doc to just submit the form and if we need another we'll ask you |
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19:43.55 | fewcha | carols: okay, sorry, thanks :) |
19:43.58 | carols | yw |
19:44.10 | carols | your personal info, not mine :-) |
19:44.26 | downey | fewcha: hopefully you can remove that file :) |
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19:44.27 | carols | edk_: did you create a profile and submit your proof of enrollment? |
19:44.32 | gevaerts | considers applying in fewcha's name :) |
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19:45.44 | edk_ | I have created my profile but haven't submitted the proof of enrollment. I couldn't find the link to submit it |
19:45.52 | carols | edk_: it's on the front page. |
19:45.55 | carols | try again. |
19:46.20 | edk_ | Now I see. Thank you :) |
19:46.23 | carols | yw |
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19:47.23 | downey | carols: If a student has uploaded a proof of enrollment document, then submits a proposal, do orgs/mentors see it immediately or is it held in a review queue first? |
19:47.38 | carols | downey: no review queue |
19:47.44 | downey | carols: ok, thanks. |
19:48.05 | carols | downey: if a student honestly truly submitted a proposal for your org and you're not seeing it, ask #melange |
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19:49.21 | downey | will do |
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19:50.09 | VcamX | Hi all |
19:50.15 | carols | hi VcamX |
19:50.41 | VcamX | I have a question about proof of enrollment |
19:50.52 | carols | VcamX: and you've read the whole instruction document already? |
19:51.02 | VcamX | yes |
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19:51.07 | carols | okay, what's your question? |
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19:51.44 | VcamX | I'm an exchange student now, and will go back to my home university on the end of April |
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19:51.51 | carols | okay... |
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19:53.08 | VcamX | could i upload the transcript for my home university as proof of enrollment? |
19:53.08 | carols | VcamX: and what was the question? |
19:53.19 | carols | VcamX: where will you be enrolled on 21 april? |
19:53.27 | raveesh | carols , while editing the profile, a student is provided two rows to write street address into.. but when the profile is viewed, only the data filled in first row is visible.. |
19:53.34 | carols | raveesh: #melange |
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19:54.14 | VcamX | I'm an exchang student now in Simon Fraser University, CA |
19:54.21 | carols | VcamX: you haven't answered my question |
19:54.29 | carols | where will you be enrolled on 21 april? |
19:54.34 | VcamX | But my last exam is on April 23 |
19:54.51 | carols | VcamX: so you will still be considered enrolled on 21 april at that university, yes? |
19:55.02 | VcamX | I think so |
19:55.04 | raveesh | ty, carols |
19:55.11 | carols | VcamX: then submit your enrollment form for that |
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19:55.56 | d33tah | sorry if i'm repeating the message, but i got disconnected from my IRC server... |
19:55.58 | d33tah | carols: i've got a question regarding a proof of enrollment. is a document from February 27th saying that i'm in the middle of a term that ends on September enough? |
19:56.44 | carols | d33tah: "Rather than ask questions on the mailing list about whether or not the document you have is acceptable as proof of enrollment, simply submit the document to Melange. If it is not what we need, we will request an alternate document from you." http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
19:57.00 | downey | carols: s/mailing list/mailing list or IRC/ |
19:57.00 | d33tah | ah, sorry. |
19:57.02 | d33tah | okay |
19:57.04 | d33tah | already done |
19:57.06 | carols | great |
19:57.07 | VcamX | @carols can i use admission letter as proof? |
19:57.14 | carols | VcamX: "Rather than ask questions on the mailing list about whether or not the document you have is acceptable as proof of enrollment, simply submit the document to Melange. If it is not what we need, we will request an alternate document from you." |
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19:57.37 | VcamX | ok |
19:57.45 | edk_ | I just got confusion with the proposal. So are we supposed to come up with a new project idea? or we choose from a list of projects from the org? |
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19:57.56 | VcamX | Thank you very much @carols |
19:58.04 | Strangerke | edk_: one or the other, up to you |
19:58.05 | carols | edk_: you should work with the organization either from their ideas page or on an idea of your own. |
19:58.23 | edk_ | awesome thank you guys! |
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19:58.52 | carols | yw |
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20:02.44 | darnir | I'm looking for hints/tips/pointers on what mentors look for in proposals when selecting a candidate |
20:02.57 | carols | darnir: those would be available either in the manual or from the org |
20:03.19 | darnir | I'm actually asking about it from a mentor's perspective |
20:03.25 | darnir | What should I as a mentor usually look for? |
20:03.26 | viccuad | hi, I'm trying to submit my application, and it rejects this URL: http://informatica.ucm.es . I know is not big deal :P, but isn't that a valid URL? |
20:03.36 | carols | viccuad: #melange |
20:03.41 | sumanah | darnir: http://people.gnome.org/~federico/docs/summer-of-code-mentoring-howto/ might help |
20:03.53 | viccuad | thx carols |
20:03.58 | carols | yw |
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20:04.26 | darnir | sumanah: Thanks! That seems like a better resource than the flossmanuals guide |
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20:08.06 | neo1691 | Students aspirants, sign up for gsoc 2014 |
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20:10.43 | raveesh | madrazr: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=2082&thanks=2082&ts=1394482219 |
20:10.48 | raveesh | there you go :) |
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20:11.55 | rpadovani | Hi. I'm doing my profile and it asks for Major at the university. Is he the Rector? The leader of university? |
20:12.11 | umccullough | it's not a person |
20:12.19 | umccullough | it's your 'speciality' |
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20:12.25 | umccullough | not sure how that translates |
20:12.39 | nyzuul | field of study |
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20:12.58 | umccullough | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_major |
20:13.20 | rpadovani | umccullough, nyzuul ahhh, thanks, I had never heard it |
20:13.39 | nyzuul | you're welcome |
20:13.56 | rpadovani | So, could it be 'Computer Science', right? |
20:14.00 | nyzuul | yes |
20:14.17 | gevaerts | Well, that depends :) |
20:14.30 | gevaerts | If you're studying computer science, yes |
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20:14.46 | gevaerts | But people do study other things and apply to gsoc |
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20:15.01 | rpadovani | Yap, I'm studyng computer science :-) |
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20:16.15 | rpadovani | Ok, thanks, my profile is ready :-) I'll apply in next days |
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20:16.23 | edk_ | just wondering if people who do not have any knowledge related to the computer science feilds and still apply? |
20:17.10 | Palash | edk_ some of them do ! |
20:17.27 | dfighter | just because they major in another field, they could still have knowledge... |
20:17.34 | saapw | Hello! |
20:17.43 | s37syed | man there are so many interesting projects! anyone have a good strategy to narrow down your picks? or should i look for the five that I want and submit really good proposals for each one? |
20:17.45 | dfighter | like most engineering and science majors will have some programming training |
20:18.20 | Dragooon | I take it the enrolment form is the proof of enrolment or is there an actual form? |
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20:18.54 | rigelk | Dragooon: it is the proof of enrollment, yes |
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20:19.24 | Dragooon | So, would be ID card that I carry to my university qualify? It lists my name, photo, DoB, name of university, course and specifies that the course lasts from 2013-2017 |
20:19.52 | rigelk | Dragooon: sounds more than enough ;) |
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20:20.19 | Dragooon | Thanks! |
20:21.19 | sumanah | darnir: http://dberkholz.com/2010/12/14/7-problems-gsoc-admins-encounter/ and related posts might help you |
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20:22.11 | jbisch | There was an option to make the proposal public. What is the URL where you can see all the public proposals? |
20:22.29 | gevaerts | There isn't one |
20:22.39 | jbisch | okay thx |
20:22.46 | gevaerts | public means you can access it if you know the url |
20:22.46 | Dragooon | You can |
20:22.55 | Dragooon | You can't see other's proposals right?** |
20:23.14 | carols | Dragooon: if they are marked public, yes |
20:23.19 | carols | and you know the URL |
20:23.31 | Dragooon | Ah okay, thanks! |
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20:24.26 | rigelk | i'm having trouble sending my enrollment form ; are there size limits, name requirements or something ? |
20:24.34 | carols | rigelk: #melange |
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20:24.55 | rigelk | sure ; thx carols. |
20:24.58 | carols | yw |
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20:25.29 | sumanah | darnir: you might also find https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2012/management and the more recent https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Selection_process useful to see what *our* selection criteria are and why. But of course your org may differ. |
20:25.57 | revzin | Can the proposal be submitted as PDF file? I have a nice LaTeX PDF with tables and stuff, laying out everything again in HTML isn't going to be really fun |
20:26.13 | revzin | Like can I put the PDF online and link to it there? |
20:26.16 | carols | revzin: why not try uploading it and see what happens? |
20:26.27 | gevaerts | revzin: ask the organisation |
20:26.42 | carols | oh, you just want to link to another doc? |
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20:26.47 | carols | yeah, that's a question for the org. |
20:26.58 | revzin | Yep, thanks |
20:27.04 | revzin | I'll ask the orgs |
20:27.04 | gevaerts | Hmmm |
20:27.06 | KolibriOS|yogev | carols: For my understanding, a person that becomes a student on April 26th (for example) basically cannot apply at all this year, even though according to "Proof of Enrollment" FAQ he is eligible? |
20:27.08 | gevaerts | !itdepends |
20:27.08 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "itdepends" is That depends on the organisation. Ask them. |
20:27.16 | gevaerts | Ah, yes. I *knew* it was there :) |
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20:27.30 | carols | KolibriOS|yogev: by "becomes a student" do you mean he/she was accepted into the university and isn't attending? |
20:27.50 | KolibriOS|yogev | carols: I mean he will get a letter that he is accepted only in April |
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20:27.54 | carols | KolibriOS|yogev: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#7._I_have_been_accepted_into_an |
20:28.08 | carols | he needs to be accepted on or before 21 april. |
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20:28.52 | KolibriOS|yogev | carols: But that's exactly the problem I am pointing out. Student registration closes March 21st, you cannot apply until you provide proof of enrollment this year, right? |
20:29.04 | carols | KolibriOS|yogev: correct. |
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20:29.58 | KolibriOS|yogev | carols: Sorry, April 26th was a slip of a finger. I mean April 20th. Student that can get a written proof on April 20th cannot apply at all this year, even though he is eligible according to the requirements? |
20:30.14 | carols | KolibriOS|yogev: i don't think i'm understanding what you're asking me. |
20:30.19 | carols | i think you should email me. |
20:30.38 | KolibriOS|yogev | carols: OK, will do. |
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20:31.03 | carols | is easily confused |
20:31.16 | gevaerts | Oh, I think I understand! |
20:31.35 | KolibriOS|yogev | gevaerts: Maybe you can help me explain :-) |
20:31.39 | gevaerts | I'll try :) |
20:31.54 | gevaerts | thinks of an example |
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20:33.55 | tootis_ | Hey, I need help, I can't submit a proposal |
20:34.15 | carols | tootis_: #melange |
20:35.16 | tootis_ | ok |
20:36.00 | rigelk | carols: they're feeling lazy on #melange, it seems ^^' |
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20:36.14 | carols | rigelk: well, they being people, maybe they're, i don't know...eating? |
20:36.24 | carols | how long have you been waiting for a response? |
20:36.31 | carols | more than 48 hours? |
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20:37.02 | carols | we have a required response time for all gsoc orgs that they respond within 48 hours... |
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20:37.53 | gevaerts | carols: I understand KolibriOS|yogev's question as "Suppose someone walks into the university on 20 April and enrolls (no complicated admissions system where this student lives). According to the FAQ, that's perfectly fine and the student is eligible. However, because there's no advance acceptance in this case, there can't be a document showing this before 21 March. Is it correct that this student can't take part in gsoc?" |
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20:38.01 | rigelk | carols: don't misunderstand, i'm idling and ready to wait |
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20:38.39 | carols | gevaerts: that person in that rare case that walks into the university on 20 april and enrolls should email me and i can help them |
20:39.10 | gevaerts | KolibriOS|yogev: that's your answer I guess :) |
20:40.05 | KolibriOS|yogev | gevaerts: Well, but how can that student apply? In order to apply, he has to submit proof of enrollment before March 21, that's a change this year from all past years. |
20:40.18 | carols | KolibriOS|yogev: for the third time. |
20:40.20 | carols | please email me. |
20:40.24 | gevaerts | KolibriOS|yogev: easy! By sending an email to carols :) |
20:40.56 | edk_ | carols if we submit multiple proposals, then do we get chance to choose from one of the accpeted orgs? |
20:41.15 | carols | edk_: no, they will choose. so don't apply for an org you don't want to work with |
20:41.21 | Benzi-Junior | What will suffice as an enrollment form (I believe the GSoC webpage has a typo) can I uppload my official transcript (it includes current courses) |
20:41.30 | carols | Benzi-Junior: have you read the instructions? |
20:41.56 | gevaerts | hands out more tea |
20:42.09 | carols | do we have a factoid in here for the proof of enrollment doc? |
20:42.20 | carols | !proof |
20:42.21 | gsocbot | carols: "proof" is For information on required proof from last year, see http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/studentinfo . The information for 2012 should be similiar. |
20:42.36 | gevaerts | That one might be a bit outdated :) |
20:42.39 | s37syed | i hope people aren't getting mad at carols for what melange has changed in their policies |
20:42.49 | s37syed | that's kind've unfair to him/her |
20:42.54 | carols | !forget proof |
20:42.55 | gsocbot | carols: The operation succeeded. |
20:43.01 | carols | s37syed: i changed the policies, not melange :-) |
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20:43.13 | s37syed | oh. never mind then! |
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20:43.16 | carols | !learn proof as http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
20:43.17 | gsocbot | carols: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
20:43.18 | gevaerts | It's still a bit unfair though :) |
20:43.22 | downey | s37syed: I believe the mentors/org admins called for this change. |
20:43.34 | carols | people are welcome to get as angry at me as they'd like |
20:43.40 | gevaerts | Those with the money get to make the rules |
20:43.41 | downey | s37syed: I do agree getting mad is unfair, since it's been posted in the FAQ's since the program was announced. :) |
20:43.41 | carols | it happens every day :-) |
20:43.50 | carols | what downey said |
20:43.59 | s37syed | the reason why the change was made kind of makes sense, at least to me. |
20:44.10 | carols | i agree |
20:44.16 | carols | so no problems :-) |
20:44.21 | vkmc | Hi all... just a question about proofs of enrollments (now that I saw you mention them) |
20:44.35 | carols | vkmc: sure, did you read the instructions? |
20:44.39 | vkmc | Does them need to be translated by a public translator? |
20:44.49 | vkmc | carols, I did! |
20:44.52 | carols | vkmc: did you read that whole page? |
20:44.57 | carols | are you very sure? :-) |
20:45.05 | carols | "It is highly preferable for your proof of enrollment documentation to be submitted to us in English. If you cannot submit documents in English, please provide a translation along with the document in .txt format." |
20:45.14 | vkmc | carols, Now I'm not... |
20:45.24 | carols | right |
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20:45.38 | gevaerts | carols: I think it's somewhat understandable that people wonder if their own translation is good enough though |
20:45.40 | vkmc | carols, Ah well, sorry for that... and thanks for clearing my doubt |
20:45.45 | carols | yw |
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20:46.11 | rvraghav93 | carols: he ... i submited my enrollment form once ... later when I checked my profile . its gone ... |
20:46.20 | carols | rvraghav93: #melange |
20:46.26 | nyzuul | How does one submit a transcript without it being a text file? Uploading a scanned copy of a University one? Or taking a screenshot of my online transcript? |
20:46.37 | carols | nyzuul: either of those will work, yes |
20:46.47 | nyzuul | Ok, thanks |
20:46.50 | carols | yw |
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20:49.13 | dberkholz | sumanah: whoa, didn't even remember writing that post about gsoc admin stuff |
20:49.35 | sumanah | dberkholz: :) it's nice when you can make something that helps people years later - after you have forgotten even making it |
20:49.50 | dberkholz | guess i should just google "site:redmonk.com site:dberkholz.com gsoc" and see what pops up |
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20:50.22 | dberkholz | and on the bright side, it doesn't look nearly as confusing as code i wrote 4 years ago. |
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20:50.37 | gevaerts | Well done :) |
20:50.40 | glongo | hi |
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20:50.44 | carols | hi glongo |
20:51.03 | glongo | hi carols, nice to see you |
20:51.09 | carols | nice to see you as well, glongo |
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20:51.29 | a9393j | hello carol, what all docs are valid for enrollement form |
20:51.41 | carols | a9393j: did you read the instructions? |
20:52.35 | glongo | carols: I uploaded my proof of enrollment, but I'm not able to submit proposals |
20:52.50 | carols | glongo: are you looking at the homepage? |
20:52.57 | edk_ | a9393j check out here : https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
20:52.57 | carols | do you see the big button in the middle of the page? |
20:53.16 | glongo | carols: oh, now it's ok. thank you :) |
20:53.22 | carols | yw |
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20:54.17 | a9393j | actually i have a college id card which shows "valid upto 2016" but my signature was not printed on it due to technical erro |
20:54.24 | a9393j | error* |
20:54.33 | a9393j | would it be valid |
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20:55.05 | a9393j | its has my photo, name, cllg name , deans sig, and everything else i suppose |
20:55.21 | carols | a9393j: did you read the instructions? |
20:55.47 | a9393j | yup |
20:55.52 | carols | "Rather than ask questions on the mailing list about whether or not the document you have is acceptable as proof of enrollment, simply submit the document to Melange. If it is not what we need, we will request an alternate document from you." |
20:55.53 | edk_ | a9393j please check out this link : https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
20:57.03 | a9393j | thnx carol, and sorry for inconvenience |
20:57.06 | carols | yw |
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21:12.24 | downey | !proof |
21:12.24 | gsocbot | downey: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
21:12.39 | downey | hmm |
21:12.44 | carols | downey: problem? |
21:13.14 | downey | carols: was thinking of something that will save you some typing :) |
21:13.18 | meflin | well due to time change there is a perpetual insufficient tea error |
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21:13.27 | carols | downey: thanks :-) |
21:13.31 | downey | carols: although i suppose ctrl-v is faster |
21:13.54 | downey | meflin: wasn't nearly enough tea to help me through today |
21:16.38 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
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21:18.59 | carols | downey: are you seeing proposals for your orgs without incident? |
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21:19.19 | downey | carols: nothing yet. |
21:19.30 | carols | okay |
21:19.45 | meflin | I see none |
21:21.38 | carols | meflin: well, that doesn't necessarily mean there's a bug... |
21:21.38 | meflin | that surprises me |
21:21.40 | carols | ...yet. |
21:21.41 | carols | :-) |
21:21.44 | meflin | true |
21:21.49 | carols | i'm checking on it |
21:22.46 | meflin | I have yet to see a student claim to have submitted ... |
21:25.25 | carols | meflin: i'm checking with the melange folks about it now |
21:26.17 | downey | always assumed carols can see everything :) |
21:26.27 | carols | downey: i'm not a developer :-) |
21:26.31 | carols | so no, i can't see everything |
21:26.41 | downey | dang, so i wrote all those compliments for nothing ;-) |
21:26.44 | meflin | downey: its a trap! ;) |
21:26.48 | carols | downey: :-P |
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21:33.25 | carols | meflin: which orgs are you an admin for right now? |
21:33.44 | meflin | Python and Syncdifferent |
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21:34.23 | meflin | sync it makes sence but python I would have expected to have someone right out of the gate |
21:34.30 | carols | meflin: okay, i have checked, and it is actually the case that neither of those orgs has gotten a proposal yet |
21:34.49 | meflin | oh well I guess I just curl up in a ball and cry :) |
21:34.55 | carols | don't do that :-) |
21:35.02 | carols | we've verified there isn't a bug :-) |
21:35.04 | carols | rejoice :-) |
21:36.04 | downey | meflin: here, share my tea while we wait for proposals |
21:36.24 | meflin | downey: thanks the salt from the tears seasons it well ;) |
21:36.29 | carols | Nightrose: are you around? |
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21:38.24 | meflin | considering how swamped with student's i've been and in past years it took 1-min for small orgs its kinda ... odd |
21:38.42 | carols | well, it's because they're all figuring out their proof of enrollment right now |
21:39.12 | downey | meflin: They're all scrambling because they forgot to read the FAQ about proof of enrollment. :) |
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21:39.18 | meflin | well or worse perhaps they are thinking about there proposal |
21:39.36 | downey | meflin: I wouldn't call that worse :) |
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21:39.57 | meflin | I dono it depends what if they are all good well thought out proposals? |
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21:41.31 | TCD | I'm scramblingaround trying to find some kind of enrollment proo |
21:41.32 | TCD | f |
21:42.21 | carols | good luck! |
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21:43.25 | downey | meflin: you request more slots? :) |
21:43.29 | CFS-MP3 | carols how many proposals have been submitted so far (all projects), if you have the stats? |
21:43.33 | downey | meflin: seems like a good problem to have |
21:43.37 | carols | CFS-MP3: i don't know |
21:43.44 | carols | i've been focused on other things :-) |
21:43.52 | meflin | downey: well I need to see good apps first :D |
21:44.35 | CFS-MP3 | do we get an email each time someone submits a proposal? |
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21:45.04 | meflin | depends on your settings ( I think yes and every edit ) if you have all the email stuff on |
21:45.57 | CFS-MP3 | meflin thanks, just saw that checkbox |
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21:48.52 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
21:50.33 | davidfetter_disq | hi |
21:50.44 | carols | hi davidfetter_disq |
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21:51.22 | davidfetter_disq | i mentored last year for the PostgreSQL project, would like to make sure i'm signed up on time this year. now that i've registered on melange, how do i associate myself with same? |
21:51.35 | olly | meflin: fwiw, xapian seems to have just one proposal so far (though melange also reports "Error retrieving data: please refresh the list or the whole page to try again") |
21:51.59 | carols | davidfetter_disq: #melange |
21:52.04 | olly | i can't seem to see any email notifications though, but I've not dealt with the email pile yet today |
21:52.18 | carols | olly: can you file a bug for the error, please? |
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21:53.32 | olly | carols: yeah, I was going to |
21:53.49 | carols | thanks so much olly |
21:54.27 | pankaj_cdr | arent there any gsoc projects which develop rts games? |
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21:55.08 | carols | pankaj_cdr: did you search the list by tags? |
21:55.25 | pankaj_cdr | yes |
21:55.36 | pankaj_cdr | it said game programming |
21:55.42 | pankaj_cdr | but no rts games |
21:55.42 | carols | then there probably aren't any orgs doing that sort of development this year. |
21:55.45 | carols | sorry. |
21:55.55 | pankaj_cdr | no problem |
21:55.56 | olly | hmm, don't worldforge do that sort of thing? |
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21:56.27 | PulkoMandy | wesnoth is turn-by-turn strategy, but I don't remember if they're in this year |
21:56.28 | pankaj_cdr | do they? |
21:56.28 | olly | and battle for wesnoth |
21:56.34 | olly | pankaj_cdr: try those two |
21:56.50 | gevaerts | battle for wesnoth is turn-based |
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21:56.59 | revzin | carols: submitted my proposal, thanks for the awnsers :) |
21:57.13 | pankaj_cdr | thats great ,i will try ,thanks a lot guyz :) |
21:57.15 | olly | gevaerts: ah, well we've exceeded my knowledge of gaming then |
21:57.25 | carols | revzin: yw |
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21:57.55 | olly | pankaj_cdr: but the tags may not be as specific as you're trying, so I'd try "games" and then look at the ideas lists of those orgs |
21:58.20 | KolibriOS|yogev | pankaj_cdr: What about supertuxcart? |
21:58.24 | pankaj_cdr | hmm true. |
21:58.26 | pankaj_cdr | no |
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21:58.42 | KolibriOS|yogev | pankaj_cdr: It's real-tim |
21:58.43 | pankaj_cdr | super tuxcart doesnt interests me |
21:58.49 | KolibriOS|yogev | pankaj_cdr: But not strategy :-) |
21:58.51 | Strangerke | there's also ScummVM and ResidualVM, for adventure games |
21:59.21 | KolibriOS|yogev | CFS-MP3: Can you please tell where is the e-mail notification checkbox? |
21:59.55 | KolibriOS|yogev | olly: I also got 1 proposal, the same error as you posted (when trying to see more proposals), and no e-mail notification. |
21:59.57 | olly | KolibriOS|yogev: there's strategy in when to throw the cakes |
22:00.06 | KolibriOS|yogev | olly: LOL |
22:00.18 | carols | KolibriOS|yogev: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/profile/notifications/google/gsoc2014 |
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22:01.17 | KolibriOS|yogev | carols: Oh, it's on MY profile and not on ORG profile. Thanks! But that checkbox was already checked in. |
22:01.26 | carols | KolibriOS|yogev: then https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=2088 |
22:01.34 | carols | hopefully that should cover both for you |
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22:03.01 | KolibriOS|yogev | carols: Many thanks, I confirmed on that bug that it's happening for us as well. |
22:03.04 | carols | thanks |
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22:06.45 | redwire | Is one not eligable for GSoC if they weren't a student between January and April? What if we were during September to December 2013 and will be again next September? |
22:07.03 | carols | redwire: the only date that matters is 21 april. |
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22:07.10 | carols | will you be an accepted or enrolled student on 21 april? |
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22:07.51 | redwire | I don't really know how that plays out at my university. I' |
22:08.03 | carols | redwire: then i can't answer your question for you :-( |
22:08.25 | redwire | I'm not attending for _this_ semester, so I think I'm technically not enrolled this semester, and I don't know if that means I count as accepted. |
22:08.53 | carols | redwire: will the university issue you a document saying you're either accepted or enrolled on 21 april? |
22:08.59 | redwire | Knowing my uni, it'd probably be days before I could get any kind of written letter detailing proof of my acceptance as a student. |
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22:09.13 | redwire | I can call and ask tomorrow. |
22:09.19 | carols | great |
22:09.21 | carols | cheers |
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22:12.46 | adrenalink | hello everybody! Does someone know how to apply for an existing mentoring organization project? |
22:12.59 | carols | adrenalink: sure, we do. what would you like to know? |
22:13.35 | adrenalink | Is there a form where I can put my request to collaborate to a project? |
22:13.47 | adrenalink | which is the link? |
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22:13.59 | carols | adrenalink: yep, it's on the front page |
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22:19.12 | adrenalink | carols: ok. But I cannot understand why I have to submit a proposal to a project if the organization already has a detailed list of its own proposals with the related description |
22:19.38 | carols | adrenalink: because you have to describe how you're going to code a solution to the idea from their ideas page... |
22:20.11 | carols | adrenalink: are you sure you understand how gsoc works? have you read the student manual? |
22:20.22 | carols | this seems like the sort of thing that would make sense if you know how the program works. |
22:20.40 | Nightrose | carols: i am around now :) |
22:20.42 | Nightrose | wasup? |
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22:23.19 | adrenalink | carols: I read a proposal for a user interface to an existing API, so it seems to me a non-sense to describe a solution without knowing the project.. |
22:23.29 | carols | adrenalink: for which org? |
22:23.40 | gevaerts | adrenalink: that's why you spend a bit of time studying things first |
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22:24.19 | adrenalink | carols: no. it is this one http://wiki.tox.im/Proposed_Google_Summer_of_Code_ideas |
22:24.48 | carols | adrenalink: cool, then i'd recommend you speak to the org directly about it |
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22:25.29 | meflin | carols: btw I spy a proposal |
22:25.42 | carols | meflin: that's something :-) |
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22:26.44 | adrenalink | carols: thank U |
22:26.47 | carols | yw |
22:26.52 | carols | stqism: you around? |
22:27.01 | meflin | marked as away |
22:27.02 | olly | it's to be expected that the start will be slow now students need to prove they are students here instead of later |
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22:27.21 | carols | olly: that was in fact the whole point of why we did it that way this year... |
22:27.43 | olly | noticed there's a melange ticket for allowing students to sign up before this point, which would also address this |
22:27.45 | carols | downey and the rest of them wanted less spam :-) |
22:28.19 | olly | carols: it seems a good idea to me too |
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22:28.39 | carols | the students seem quite upset about it for reasons i'm not clear on... |
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22:29.17 | olly | they probably didn't think to start sorting out proof before now, and they now have ~12 days to do it |
22:29.23 | pbanaszkiewicz | carols: pardon me my ignorance, but what change are you talking about? |
22:29.43 | carols | pbanaszkiewicz: we require an enrollment form for all students this year |
22:30.19 | olly | i wonder how many of the junk proposals were really from non-students in previous years |
22:30.31 | carols | olly: i guess we'll find out by next week! |
22:30.34 | olly | wouldn't be surprised if we see fewer proposals in total |
22:31.01 | olly | (because some probably weren't actually from students) |
22:31.34 | allman | Hopefully fewer cruft applications for the orbs to review. |
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22:31.50 | olly | orb review! |
22:32.03 | gevaerts | Some of them are quite rounded :) |
22:32.09 | meflin | 's orb serves tea |
22:32.14 | olly | the magic 8 ball says ... NEEDS WORK |
22:32.18 | allman | lol me blushs |
22:32.44 | meflin | allman: you app is editable until the deadline! worry not |
22:32.44 | KK4MGV | I'm having trouble submitting the initial form of the application process (https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/profile/edit/google/gsoc2014) |
22:32.54 | carols | KK4MGV: what's the trouble? |
22:32.55 | KK4MGV | I've filled out all the required fields, but "Apply" just brings me to the same page |
22:33.13 | carols | KK4MGV: have you submitted your proof of enrollment? |
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22:33.44 | olly | KK4MGV: most of the form in melange seem to go into "edit" mode after a successful submit - is it just doing that? |
22:34.14 | KK4MGV | i was under the impression that that step came later. I am still filling out the initial form linked to from the front page after logging in |
22:34.17 | KK4MGV | olly: ah, that could be |
22:34.32 | olly | there's a ticket about it already |
22:34.39 | olly | it catches people out a lot |
22:34.49 | olly | assuming it is that |
22:34.52 | KK4MGV | ah yes, it seems to have taken my information anyway. thanks |
22:35.06 | pbanaszkiewicz | carols: ty, I caught up with reading FAQ. My student ID card has an expiration date of 03/31/2014, so I have to get it prolonged before I submit my proposal, correct? |
22:35.30 | allman | correct |
22:35.31 | carols | pbanaszkiewicz: prolonged? you mean get another ID card? |
22:35.44 | pbanaszkiewicz | carols: no, we get stickers with dates |
22:35.58 | carols | pbanaszkiewicz: then yes, it needs to be effective for 21 aprill |
22:36.08 | pbanaszkiewicz | carols: okay, thank you again |
22:36.12 | carols | yw |
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22:40.33 | KK4MGV | as for proof of enrollment, how official does the transcript need to be? my university has two options: 1) unofficial (very informal) transcripts via their web portal thing, or 2) official transcripts sent via US Postal Service only |
22:40.59 | KK4MGV | oh, and we need to pay $10.00 for #2 |
22:41.19 | carols | KK4MGV: #1 is fine |
22:41.20 | KK4MGV | it seems kinda silly to get an unofficial transcript mailed to myself, wait for it to arrive, scan it, and send it |
22:41.21 | KK4MGV | okay |
22:41.27 | KK4MGV | it does look kinda sketchy though |
22:42.04 | carols | KK4MGV: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment "Rather than ask questions on the mailing list about whether or not the document you have is acceptable as proof of enrollment, simply submit the document to Melange. If it is not what we need, we will request an alternate document from you." |
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22:45.06 | hiker | How can I unsubscribe from gsoc-mentors if I can't send email using the subscribed email address anymore? My old email was changed from being a 'real' mailbox to a forward only :( And even adding a reply-to didn't convince melange to unsubscribe my old email address :( |
22:45.13 | carols | hiker: please email me |
22:45.35 | hiker | Thanks! |
22:45.37 | carols | yw |
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23:08.12 | Guest29200 | I can’t starat connection as sutdent maybe I create by accident Mentor account. Can I switch ? using this my emial ? |
23:08.20 | carols | Guest29200: #melange |
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23:23.57 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
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23:28.42 | meflin | yea tea |
23:28.47 | carols | :-) |
23:28.55 | carols | meflin: so just one proposal so far? |
23:29.09 | meflin | oddly yes |
23:29.27 | carols | well, that may just be an indication students are taking the time to submit their proof of enrollment |
23:29.31 | meflin | I do have a student telling me that I am incompetent in person tho |
23:29.47 | carols | meflin: :-( why's that |
23:29.47 | carols | ? |
23:30.08 | meflin | I do not have certs in networking even tho I build ISP's ( plural he asked that first ) |
23:30.35 | carols | meflin: ah, then i think he would think i'm not qualified to be working at google either... |
23:30.39 | carols | so don't feel bad |
23:30.42 | MateuszPG_ | I have problem with account on www.google-melange.com where can I get some help |
23:30.53 | carols | MateuszPG_: #melange |
23:30.59 | meflin | hard to understand this vector of getting a slot tho |
23:31.22 | carols | meflin: he probably doesn't think the two are related, even though they very much are. |
23:31.59 | nikhatzi | submitted my project finally! o/ |
23:32.00 | meflin | I see this just about every year ... atack the mentors! .. profit? |
23:32.23 | carols | meflin: i see that too... attack carols! ...profit? |
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23:32.45 | olly | hmm, not sure I can remember students attacking me |
23:32.52 | olly | perahps I'm just too oblivious |
23:33.05 | carols | olly: maybe they are better behaved on your mailing lists. |
23:33.16 | degasus | meflin: wtf? students attack the ones how evaluate them? ... |
23:33.17 | nikhatzi | why attack a mentor? well, why attack anybody at first place? |
23:33.26 | meflin | degasus: yes they do |
23:33.43 | carols | nikhatzi: because some people feel that makes them better than the person they're attacking. or more important. or special. or all of the above. |
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23:34.26 | allman | Some people are wrong :-P |
23:34.28 | nikhatzi | yeah but as degasus says, this is stupid... they are our mentors :/ do these things really happen? oO |
23:34.29 | meflin | this one was special werid ... they asked about my xp first and where impressed then went all rabid on the last of certs |
23:34.33 | olly | carols: we do try to keep a civilised tone |
23:34.39 | carols | olly: me too :-) |
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23:35.27 | meflin | also werid since the certs I am supposed to have is with hardware I do not use ... |
23:35.46 | carols | meflin: well you're not qualified otherwise! :-P |
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23:36.06 | meflin | carols: true |
23:36.11 | carols | :-) |
23:36.13 | KolibriOS|yogev | meflin: We also got 1 proposal so far, and the student thought it would be funny to submit an exercise from a book as his own work :-) Well, maybe he also wanted to check my qualification, as your student did. So I showed him that I am qualified enough to notice that :-) |
23:36.32 | olly | experience will trump certificates quite quickly in most cases |
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23:37.01 | meflin | the very small org has almost 100 years of xp with 4 ppl .... |
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23:37.17 | terri | meflin: if they keep bothering you, send them to me and I'll whack them with my phd. ;) |
23:37.23 | terri | it's got to be good for something, right? |
23:37.25 | meflin | heh |
23:37.34 | meflin | I dono can I borrow it? |
23:37.43 | carols | terri: i'm going to remember that for the future. |
23:37.53 | carols | in case i need to whack someone with a phd. |
23:39.34 | carols | okay, ttfn everyone |
23:39.36 | carols | see you all tomorrow |
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23:56.28 | Kazimuth | Is it possible to register as a student without knowing what college you'll be attending? I haven't gotten replies from colleges I applied to yet, but I'm fairly sure I'll have been accepted *somewhere* by April 21st. |
23:57.50 | KolibriOS|yogev | Kazimuth: Student application deadline is March 21st, you need to fill the application till then, and it has a field which asks for college/university name. |
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