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| 00:40.16 | sprinf | Is there a means for schools which don't have school email adresses to apply for GSOC? |
| 00:40.38 | carols | sprinf: sure, just include your email and their website |
| 00:42.43 | bePolite | Okey thanks |
| 00:42.49 | carols | yw |
| 00:42.59 | bePolite | So which documents will Google be needing inorder to do the verifications? |
| 00:43.12 | carols | bePolite: it's on the instructions. |
| 00:43.16 | carols | did you read them? |
| 00:43.44 | bePolite | I hate reading but I would try |
| 00:43.56 | carols | good luck! |
| 00:43.59 | bePolite | I wish we could just download stuff into our brains |
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| 00:48.17 | olly | bePolite: you'll probably want to learn to at least tolerate reading stuff for gsoc |
| 00:49.14 | olly | students who don't read what you tell them are frustrating to mentor, so we look for signs of that in proposals |
| 00:49.35 | olly | like not following instructions about what the proposal should contain, not answers all the questions asked, etc |
| 00:49.47 | carols | what olly said |
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| 00:56.57 | user1131 | hi, is appyling to more than one org allowed? |
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| 00:57.05 | carols | user1131: of course |
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| 00:57.08 | carols | have you read the FAQs? |
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| 00:57.43 | user1131 | carols: not specifically, have exams atm, didn't even know that the applications were open :/ |
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| 00:57.55 | carols | user1131: well, there's still time :-) |
| 00:58.15 | user1131 | carols: thanks, will go through it thoroughly when i get back and apply :) |
| 00:58.27 | carols | user1131: great |
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| 01:00.17 | ph4n70m4s | why is gsoc starting so early this year? |
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| 01:00.29 | carols | ph4n70m4s: because it started late last year |
| 01:00.43 | meflin | why not? |
| 01:01.34 | olly | one year and people think it's a pattern |
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| 01:01.55 | carols | i want to make sure everyone's equally unhappy each year |
| 01:02.10 | olly | ph4n70m4s: 2013 was unusual - this year is more in line with previous years |
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| 01:02.20 | meflin | carols: thank you I am equaly sad good work ;) |
| 01:02.23 | stqism | carols: A good way to do that is to limit registration to only citizens of Antarctica |
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| 01:02.27 | carols | meflin: yay :-) |
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| 01:02.38 | carols | stqism: we need to do more recruiting at both the Poles... |
| 01:02.44 | carols | we haven't gotten anyone from either :-( |
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| 01:04.25 | stqism | carols: Is dropping fliers out of a plane over research stations a valid solution? |
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| 01:04.38 | carols | stqism: no, that's just littering :( |
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| 01:04.52 | carols | global warming is bad enough.. |
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| 01:05.06 | stqism | carols: What if they were recycled? |
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| 01:05.23 | carols | stqism: still littering. |
| 01:05.55 | stqism | What if we then hired a team of inner city kids to pick them up and build homes for penguins with them? |
| 01:05.58 | olly | i think the internet connections from antartica might make doing gsoc a bit of a challenge |
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| 01:08.59 | bePolite | olly: But btw, not liking to read is different from following instructions |
| 01:09.40 | olly | not having read instructions is certainly just one cause of not following them |
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| 01:51.20 | t4nk828 | Anyone knows how to submit proposal in pdf? |
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| 01:52.19 | olly | t4nk828: it needs to be HTML |
| 01:53.00 | olly | you could link to an external copy, but personally I find it more annoying to have to download a proposal to review, so I'd suggest also pasting the content as HTML if you do that |
| 01:53.54 | olly | also students sometimes do that as a way to defeat the edit lockdown at the deadline, which is unfair |
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| 01:56.17 | t4nk828 | Thanks olly. |
| 01:56.37 | dfighter | t4nk828, it's easy: you open the pdf file. Select all of the text in it, and paste it into melange |
| 01:57.11 | olly | what if it's a scanned PDF? |
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| 01:57.56 | umccullough | if it's a scaned PDF...you did something wrong :) |
| 01:58.22 | olly | how else can a student show off their neat handwriting? |
| 01:58.24 | umccullough | prints the PDF and takes a picture of it on a wooden table |
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| 02:00.57 | umccullough | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Web_0_0x2e_1.aspx |
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| 02:52.05 | juansalvatella | Hello everyone! |
| 02:52.18 | novochen | hi juansalvatella |
| 02:54.23 | juansalvatella | I have a doubt regarding my GSOC application submission. I enrolled last semester on my master thesis but I didn't finish it in time so I asked for deferral hence in my enrollment fee I only paid a small penalization where it doesn't appear any information regarding the master thesis. |
| 02:54.54 | juansalvatella | I would like to add two documents, my last semester enrollment fee and this semester's. Is it possible? |
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| 02:55.06 | novochen | I think so |
| 02:55.18 | novochen | put them in a zip file, as is said in the upload page |
| 02:55.56 | juansalvatella | Should I also upload a .txt explaining my situation to make it easier? |
| 02:56.24 | novochen | I honestly don't know :) |
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| 02:56.38 | novochen | If you think so, do so |
| 02:56.45 | juansalvatella | Ok, thanks! I guess it won't hurt |
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| 02:58.49 | novochen | yw, juansalvatella ;) |
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| 03:44.28 | MisterH | why do I keep getting an error when creating my profile? It says something about my username not being properly-formed |
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| 03:46.41 | olly | MisterH: don't use upper case |
| 03:46.45 | MisterH | oh, alright |
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| 03:47.02 | MisterH | that's strange, why doesn't it just automatically change it to lower case? |
| 03:47.12 | stqism | olly: I feel like that should be written down somewhere |
| 03:47.25 | olly | it is, repeatedly, in the #gsoc logs... |
| 03:47.46 | stqism | olly: I mean on the page itself, mate |
| 03:48.00 | olly | well, patches to melange are welcome I'm sure |
| 03:48.06 | olly | though you have to sign their CLA |
| 03:48.11 | stqism | I doubt students read the FAQs, and I even more doubt they read the logs |
| 03:48.57 | olly | it seems a shame that simple fixes for minor issues which a lot of people hit aren't prioritised though |
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| 03:50.03 | MisterH | stqism: I didn't see it in the FAQ the last 2 times I read it, I must have missed it |
| 03:50.23 | MisterH | lol, it's not something people really look for |
| 03:50.23 | stqism | MisterH: It isn't in :) |
| 03:50.44 | olly | hmm, it seems there's not an issue open about this |
| 03:51.22 | olly | MisterH: what does the help for that field say? |
| 03:51.49 | MisterH | I already fixed it, I can log out and try to re-register to check if you'd like |
| 03:51.55 | MisterH | well, fixed mine* |
| 03:52.15 | olly | does that work? |
| 03:52.31 | olly | i'd expect it would recognise you by your google account... |
| 03:52.48 | MisterH | I registered with my school account since it's managed by gmail |
| 03:53.18 | olly | if you have a second google account, it'd be useful to know what the wording is to report an issue for it |
| 03:53.38 | MisterH | alright, i'll report back in a sec |
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| 03:55.08 | MisterH | "Used as part of various URL links throughout the site. ASCII alphanumeric characters, digits, and underscores only." |
| 03:55.51 | olly | MisterH: thanks - what's the field called? |
| 03:56.07 | MisterH | Username |
| 03:56.10 | MisterH | no problem |
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| 03:56.45 | MisterH | public name on the other hand has no problems with caps |
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| 03:58.13 | MisterH | oh and, for my enrollment forms, is a screenshot of my schedule from my school's secure site thing fine? |
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| 03:58.44 | PositiveDeviancy | Are we allowed to work with a partner for the project? |
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| 03:58.53 | umccullough | MisterH, if it's not, someone will let you know |
| 03:58.57 | MisterH | I can request physical forms from my school if necessary, i'm just looking for a practical solution at 12 am so I can submit my proposal |
| 03:58.57 | MisterH | alright |
| 03:59.05 | umccullough | PositiveDeviancy, no, only the mentor(s) provided by the org |
| 04:00.19 | umccullough | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#10._Can_a_group_apply_for_and_work_on_a |
| 04:00.28 | PositiveDeviancy | Ok, Thanks, I was wondering because there are some projects for certain mentorships where they are so similar, that I was thinking of asking my friend to apply to that one also and then work on it together |
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| 04:02.03 | PositiveDeviancy | Also are there any analytics on how many people apply to the projects? |
| 04:02.30 | umccullough | !numapps | PositiveDeviancy |
| 04:02.30 | gsocbot | PositiveDeviancy: "numapps" is In 2014, 190 of 371 mentoring orgs were accepted. 2013: 117/417 orgs; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students) |
| 04:02.48 | umccullough | bah, nobody has fixed that 117/417 yet |
| 04:02.52 | olly | http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=2098 |
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| 04:03.07 | olly | umccullough: what's wrong with that? |
| 04:03.11 | umccullough | it's 177 |
| 04:03.14 | umccullough | someone typo'd |
| 04:03.40 | olly | gsocbot: learn numapps as In 2014, 190 of 371 mentoring orgs were accepted. 2013: 177/417 orgs; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students) |
| 04:03.40 | gsocbot | olly: "numapps" is (#1) In 2014, 190 of 371 mentoring orgs were accepted. 2013: 117/417 orgs; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students), or (#2) In 2014, 190 of 371 mentoring orgs were (1 more message) |
| 04:03.46 | olly | gsocbot forget next 1 |
| 04:03.47 | gsocbot | olly: The operation succeeded. |
| 04:03.50 | MisterH | umccullough: should I take a screenshot of a particular week? |
| 04:03.51 | olly | me i suspect |
| 04:03.51 | umccullough | thx |
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| 04:03.59 | olly | umccullough: you do know anyone can do that... |
| 04:04.01 | PositiveDeviancy | That is awesome, Thank you |
| 04:04.11 | umccullough | olly, i figured, but i'm too lazy to figure it out ;) |
| 04:05.19 | umccullough | MisterH, i honestly don't know, I only know what's in the FAQ |
| 04:06.05 | MisterH | I see, I see |
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| 04:06.35 | umccullough | the requirement is that you are enrolled as of april 21st |
| 04:06.52 | MisterH | so a screenshot of that week would do? |
| 04:07.01 | olly | !learn username as Your username can't contain uppercase letters (the help text is misleading - see http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=2098 ) |
| 04:07.02 | gsocbot | olly: "username" is Your username can't contain uppercase letters (the help text is misleading - see http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=2098 ) |
| 04:07.17 | olly | !proof | MisterH |
| 04:07.17 | gsocbot | MisterH: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
| 04:07.22 | olly | that's the official information |
| 04:07.39 | olly | nobody here right now can really improve on that |
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| 04:07.57 | MisterH | thanks |
| 04:08.01 | umccullough | was just about the paste that link |
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| 04:26.51 | bugwiser | hello everyone, is it a good idea to ask for feedback from the mentors of project for which you have written the proposal ? |
| 04:27.20 | MyrAchle | ya |
| 04:28.25 | bugwiser | MyrAchle: so I should send the mail with my proposal ? |
| 04:29.07 | MyrAchle | Have you talked with them before? |
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| 04:29.36 | bugwiser | MyrAchle: Yes we talked regarding the idea on mail a few times |
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| 04:30.02 | MyrAchle | Then he shouldn't have any problems regarding that. |
| 04:30.39 | bugwiser | MyrAchle: thanks for clearification |
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| 05:38.09 | raycat | Hi. |
| 05:39.04 | raycat | Quick question to those who are up: I've skipped one semester to work and pay for my classes. Can I still participate? |
| 05:39.29 | kblin | raycat: are you a student on april 21st? |
| 05:40.02 | raycat | Technically, but not currently enrolled in classes |
| 05:40.30 | kblin | !proof | raycat |
| 05:40.31 | gsocbot | raycat: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
| 05:41.07 | kblin | are you able to provide aa documnent like that? |
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| 05:41.32 | raycat | Yes, kblin |
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| 05:42.36 | raycat | Thank you. |
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| 05:48.31 | kidd0 | Hi.. I finished my undergrad in may 2012. Now am working as a research intern. I have applied for masters degree in USA and awaiting admit. Am i eligible? |
| 05:49.23 | kidd0 | I may get and admit by this month end. will that proof be enough? If i apply and dont get an admit can i withdraw? |
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| 05:52.59 | olly | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:53.13 | olly | !proof | kidd0 |
| 05:53.13 | gsocbot | kidd0: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
| 05:53.23 | olly | kidd0: that's what you need to provide |
| 05:54.11 | kidd0 | a letter from a college or university dated on or before 21 April 2014 stating that you had been accepted to attend. |
| 05:54.34 | olly | but you also need to provide that before you submit a proposal, which you have to do before March 21st |
| 05:55.04 | kidd0 | @olly : Thanks for the reply. Oh.. So i can apply only if my colleges gives me an admit before mar 21? |
| 05:55.10 | olly | which makes the date requirement for the letter seem odd, but that's because proof was needed much later last year |
| 05:55.24 | olly | kidd0: or if you can supply another document on the list at that URL by then |
| 05:56.09 | kidd0 | @olly I dont think I can provide anything else.. Since I have passed out of undergraduation.. And currently am working under a professor.. |
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| 05:56.24 | kidd0 | Which is tecnically not a "Student" |
| 05:56.26 | olly | undergrad isn't a requirement, but student is |
| 05:56.48 | olly | so if you aren't accepted before March 21st, you're not eligible I'm afraid |
| 05:56.55 | kidd0 | :( but that is very ... :( |
| 05:57.05 | kidd0 | @olly: yeah.. I understand.. |
| 05:57.08 | paracyst | it would have been funny if i had tried summer of code as a law student |
| 05:57.16 | paracyst | would that have even been possible |
| 05:57.22 | olly | sadly there needs to be a rule, and someone is always going to be just outside it |
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| 05:57.55 | kidd0 | @olly: Thanks a lot for your time mate. I was thinking that we need to submit that proof by apr 21 |
| 05:58.06 | kidd0 | Didnt knw it shld be given before march 21st itself |
| 05:58.37 | olly | it's a new thing this year - students need to provide proof when they sign up |
| 05:59.28 | olly | i think there have been issues with non-eligible people getting accepted and then having to reject them and find a replacement |
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| 06:00.39 | kblin | paracyst: there's no requirement on the subject, just the requirement that you must be enrolled at university |
| 06:01.10 | kidd0 | yeah.. I guess they are absolutely correct considering from their point of view :) |
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| 06:52.51 | tctara | I am currently 17, and will be 18 on the 28th of May. But, the FAQ stated that i have to 18 before 21st of April. Is there anyway that i can participate in GSoC ? |
| 06:53.04 | tctara | P.S I'm a university student ! |
| 06:53.39 | degasus | tctara: I don't see a way but to wait a year |
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| 06:54.46 | tctara | i see... degaus thank you very much. |
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| 06:57.56 | kblin | tctara: I'm afraid the rules are pretty clear on that |
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| 06:59.08 | kblin | tctara: it's complicated enough to figure out how to pay money to 1500 students working all over the globe without having to figure out underage employment regulations |
| 07:00.15 | tctara | kblin: I guess it can't be help. I'll have to wait another year. |
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| 07:02.11 | kblin | x< we've hjaad somebody in here with a similar issue yesterday. you are not alone :) |
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| 07:02.25 | kblin | the heck? |
| 07:02.46 | degasus | tctara: you can increase your chances by working on some oss projects, but you can't be paid until next year :/ |
| 07:02.49 | kblin | sometimes when using mosh on a really bad link, I really do get funny characters inserted |
| 07:05.14 | tctara | It's okay if i don't get the money since I |
| 07:05.25 | tctara | all want is a mentor :/ |
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| 07:05.54 | scorche | tctara: you can certainly get that outside of GSoC |
| 07:07.21 | tctara | scorche: It's really hard for me to get one. |
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| 07:09.25 | scorche | tctara: get in contact with an open source project you would like to help out - it will give you a better position for next year and likely grant mentors as well |
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| 07:11.47 | tctara | scorche: thanks for the tip. I'll definitely try to. |
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| 07:13.33 | degasus | kblin: Do also mentors have to be 18+? It could be a nice way to get a shirt ;) |
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| 07:14.40 | kblin | yes, I'm afraid these days mentors also have to be 18+ |
| 07:14.56 | degasus | thought so :( |
| 07:15.22 | kblin | I remember back in the days we had a 13-year-old mentor for drupal because he couldn't participate as a student yet |
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| 07:15.59 | kblin | he's probably old enough to mentor again, though ;):) |
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| 07:33.55 | s0b0lev | Hi everyone! I have an issue. I am from Kyrgyzstan and when I try to register my profile there is an error when select Kyrgyz Republic (Kyrgyzstan). As mentioned here https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=903 the brackets are invalid characters. What should I do? |
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| 07:34.55 | olly | s0b0lev: i think that's a different issue - that's for the shipping address |
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| 07:35.19 | olly | but your best bet is probably to ask on #melange |
| 07:36.31 | s0b0lev | Ok thanks |
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| 08:01.34 | nikhatzi | hello ppl! today i had to submit my enrollment form again in order to add a new gsoc proposal. The form i submitted was the same as last years (concerning the type of form) and i had no problem in 2013 gsoc. If there was a problem with my form i would have received an e-mail about it, or is this just a bug? thank you in advance :) |
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| 08:03.50 | olly | nikhatzi: you mean you need to upload an enrollment form for each proposal you submit? |
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| 08:05.06 | nikhatzi | olly, not for each proposal, but today that i wanted to add a second one (i withdrew the first one) it asked for my enrollment form again. Now that i uploaded it again, i can submit as many proposals i want :/ |
| 08:05.41 | nikhatzi | if there was a problem with my form, i would have gotten an e-mail about it, right? |
| 08:05.54 | olly | so it sounds like withdrawing your proposal undid submitting the enrollment form? |
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| 08:06.07 | nikhatzi | maybe, don't know :P |
| 08:06.07 | olly | nikhatzi: well, I suspect they aren't all checked right away |
| 08:06.22 | olly | but if there's a problem, you'll be contacted |
| 08:06.30 | nikhatzi | oh ok :) perfect. ty olly |
| 08:06.44 | olly | nikhatzi: it would be good to report the issue to #melange |
| 08:06.54 | nikhatzi | ok :) |
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| 08:31.28 | javirufo | helo. Need some help about students who can enroll gsoc |
| 08:32.25 | olly | !proof | javirufo |
| 08:32.25 | gsocbot | javirufo: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
| 08:32.44 | olly | that's the proof you need to provide when you register |
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| 08:33.33 | javirufo | the question is... I'm not an university student. I'm on a vocational studies school, is that valid? |
| 08:34.15 | olly | the faq gives the requirements |
| 08:34.48 | olly | it doesn't have to be a university, but it needs to be accreditted |
| 08:35.24 | panzone | javirufo: i don' t think so, unless your school is an accredited institution |
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| 08:35.57 | javirufo | well, it's a public school in Spain |
| 08:36.22 | panzone | javirufo: it doesn' t mean anything |
| 08:36.23 | javirufo | here it's an accredited institution |
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| 08:36.49 | panzone | if it' s an accredited institution then it' s ok |
| 08:37.34 | javirufo | panzone: I don't know the US education system, but I could say my institution is like a high school. |
| 08:38.13 | panzone | javirufo: i' m from italy |
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| 08:39.02 | panzone | accreditation means that the institution is capable of bestowing academic awards |
| 08:39.10 | javirufo | panzone: something like "Corsi di formazione professionale"? |
| 08:39.42 | panzone | yeah, we have something like that here, but there aren't accreditate institution |
| 08:40.26 | panzone | i don' t know if in spain things are different, sorry, but i doubt it thanks to Congresso of Bologna. |
| 08:40.39 | javirufo | with accredited institution you mean a valid certificate? |
| 08:40.47 | olly | javirufo: you need to be over 18 too |
| 08:40.58 | olly | javirufo: I'd recommend reading the FAQ on this point |
| 08:41.17 | javirufo | yeah, i'm over 18 :) |
| 08:41.36 | olly | it talks about what they mean by "accreditted" |
| 08:42.22 | panzone | javirufo: no, i mean that they give you an recognized accademic title |
| 08:42.42 | javirufo | according to law, if I finish my studies, i'll obtain a CINE-5B title (International Normalized Education Classification) |
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| 08:43.56 | javirufo | pazone: yeah, They'll give me a recognized accademic tittle. At least in Spain. I imagine (like it happens with university tittles) I'd need some homologation if I want to work in other countries |
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| 08:44.19 | panzone | i can' t help you anymore in this case. read the faqs and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_education_accreditation |
| 08:44.42 | panzone | or ask to someone more expert than me |
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| 08:45.10 | panzone | sorry |
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| 08:47.47 | javirufo | panzone: thank you. If High School is accepted, I think I can join the program |
| 08:48.18 | panzone | uh, but you are in the last year of high school ? |
| 08:49.09 | olly | javirufo: high schools aren't accepted |
| 08:49.28 | panzone | in that case, i don' t think you can join the program since it is reserved only for the higher level of education |
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| 08:49.46 | javirufo | olly: i'm doing post-secondary studies |
| 08:49.50 | javirufo | but not at the university |
| 08:49.55 | panzone | oh, ok |
| 08:50.03 | olly | well, I would read the FAQ carefullyu |
| 08:50.34 | olly | and if you still are unclear, ask carols who's often around west coast US working hours |
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| 08:52.38 | panzone | there are some mentors here ? i have submited my proposal ( https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/public/google/gsoc2014/panzone/5629499534213120 ) and i want to have more feedback |
| 08:52.44 | javirufo | ok. Thank you so much olly and panzone |
| 08:52.55 | panzone | javirufo: np |
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| 08:57.43 | yuvraj23 | Hi I would like know if I can submit more than one proposal to the same organization? I couldn't find the place where it is mentioned |
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| 08:58.39 | panzone | yuvraj23: well, the organization select the best proposal |
| 08:58.43 | novochen | !faqs | yuvraj23 |
| 08:58.49 | panzone | and you work on that project |
| 08:58.55 | novochen | !faq | yuvraj23 |
| 08:58.55 | gsocbot | yuvraj23: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page |
| 08:59.15 | olly | yuvraj23: you can do that, though I'd suggest discussing with the org first |
| 08:59.53 | olly | a good proposal take a lot of effort and they can probably steer you towards one idea |
| 09:00.48 | olly | every time I see two proposals from the same student I wish they'd spent the time on just one of them |
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| 09:07.49 | CFS-MP3 | olly if by proposal you mean 'how to implement stuff from the ideas page' I'm actually suggesting they outline as many ideas as possible. But of course none of the tasks in my project would take the whole summer |
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| 09:08.54 | CFS-MP3 | So I prefer they describe a number of them... some wil be done, some won't... but being able to describe a possibly implementation of many shows some high speed thinking |
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| 09:09.15 | olly | well, that's why I suggest talking to the org |
| 09:09.27 | olly | your org would tell them to submit 5 proposals I guess |
| 09:09.34 | olly | though that seems odd to me |
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| 09:20.40 | yuvraj23 | olly: Thank you :) I'll try to contact them |
| 09:21.36 | yuvraj23 | novochen: They haven't mentioned it in FAQ |
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| 09:22.24 | novochen | I think I saw something related in the faq though |
| 09:22.31 | novochen | sorry yuvraj23 |
| 09:22.55 | yuvraj23 | novochen: It's okay |
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| 09:31.34 | avinash | hello |
| 09:31.43 | yuvraj23 | Hi avinash |
| 09:31.49 | panzone | hi abinash |
| 09:32.00 | panzone | *avinash, sorry |
| 09:32.00 | avinash | yeah i had a query |
| 09:32.08 | avinash | i wanted to apply for gsoc |
| 09:32.23 | avinash | i had my own idea |
| 09:32.35 | yuvraj23 | yes avinash |
| 09:32.37 | avinash | and i also wanted to browse the idea list, but i cant find the idea list on gsoc |
| 09:32.53 | panzone | any organization have its idea list |
| 09:33.03 | panzone | there isn' t a common idea list |
| 09:33.24 | yuvraj23 | Idea list is presented on the organisation's website. You first need to choose an organization that suits you |
| 09:33.35 | panzone | of course you can propose your own idea to an organization |
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| 09:33.56 | avinash | but how to initiate the proposal |
| 09:34.07 | panzone | contact the organization |
| 09:34.08 | avinash | i mean talk to any member of organization |
| 09:34.09 | yuvraj23 | for example,idea list of python foundation can be viewed here https://wiki.python.org/moin/SummerOfCode/2014/ |
| 09:34.15 | panzone | it is the best way |
| 09:34.35 | panzone | many organization have mailing lists, irc channels and so on |
| 09:34.51 | yuvraj23 | You'll find all the information on their respective websites |
| 09:35.18 | panzone | there you can make questions about projects, present your own idea ecc. ecc. |
| 09:35.24 | avinash | so for any organization's idea list i will have to go to their websites? |
| 09:35.35 | avinash | thanks panzone |
| 09:35.36 | yuvraj23 | yes |
| 09:35.40 | panzone | correct |
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| 09:36.05 | avinash | so if i have my own idea, even in that case i will have to contact the organization on their websites? |
| 09:36.18 | avinash | or i will get the list of members to be contacted on gsoc |
| 09:36.18 | avinash | ? |
| 09:36.34 | yuvraj23 | Yes. As they will be providing you a teacher (ie a mentor) |
| 09:37.30 | yuvraj23 | No first choose the organization from the member list. |
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| 09:37.54 | olly | avinash: if you already have the idea and are thinking you need to find a suitable org, you have things backwards |
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| 09:38.03 | olly | trying to shop an idea around rarely works |
| 09:38.09 | panzone | i don' t know what your idea is, but you should present it to an organization that could be interested in developing it |
| 09:38.31 | olly | the sort of student ideas that are interesting are when they look at the org's software and thing "great, but it would be awesome if I could make it do X" |
| 09:38.39 | avinash | my idea is based on browser, so i was targetting mozilla |
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| 09:39.16 | olly | ok, so that's probably more in the latter category, since you've already looked at their software |
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| 09:40.08 | panzone | of course you idea should be more than "i want to make x". you should think "how the project could benefit from it ?" and sell it |
| 09:40.44 | avinash | sell it? |
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| 09:41.12 | yuvraj23 | Agreed with olly, first you'll need to choose an organisation,then go by their ways. |
| 09:41.24 | avinash | like if i have some idea, how should i decide which organization to contact, there are so many organizations |
| 09:41.57 | panzone | contact more organizations |
| 09:42.22 | yuvraj23 | Contact mozilla |
| 09:42.38 | yuvraj23 | If you have got any ideas related to browsers |
| 09:42.41 | avinash | thanks |
| 09:44.50 | yuvraj23 | welcome |
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| 09:46.05 | avinash | https://wiki.mozilla.org/SummerOfCode#2014 |
| 09:46.06 | avinash | i was on this page |
| 09:46.27 | avinash | i wanted to contact some members here, but no contacts here |
| 09:46.34 | yuvraj23 | Yes that page. Find an idea according to your skills |
| 09:47.11 | olly | avinash: try the mozilla channel or mailing list |
| 09:47.17 | avinash | but i cant find whom to contact |
| 09:47.44 | avinash | i wanted to discuss it to them |
| 09:47.45 | avinash | can you provide me the details where will i get the link, that will be of great help |
| 09:48.03 | yuvraj23 | Subscribe to their mailing list |
| 09:48.13 | olly | !anyone | avinash |
| 09:48.13 | gsocbot | avinash: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization directly. You can find an org's contact information via the org list at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014 |
| 09:48.27 | panzone | avinash: search the mozilla website for mailing lists and irc channels |
| 09:49.04 | olly | you want whatever's listed if you click on mozilla in the list above |
| 09:49.11 | olly | that'll be the channel/list for gsoc in mozilla |
| 09:49.22 | olly | they likely have a lot of lists and channel |
| 09:49.24 | olly | +s |
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| 09:51.43 | yuvraj23 | avinash: Try this https://mail.mozilla.org/ |
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| 10:02.57 | rajataggarwal | kblin , there? |
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| 10:15.12 | kblin | yes :) |
| 10:15.22 | kblin | and just in time to be too late:) |
| 10:15.43 | rajataggarwal_ | i had submitted a proposal yesterday , and today it is showing "withdrawn" |
| 10:15.50 | rajataggarwal_ | and also its not changing |
| 10:16.01 | kblin | aha, and you didn't withdraw it? |
| 10:16.07 | rajataggarwal_ | no |
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| 10:16.18 | kblin | then that sounds like a case for the folks in #melange |
| 10:16.36 | yuvraj23 | there might be some technicle problem at their end |
| 10:16.38 | gevaerts | An interesting one, because yesterday someone reported that there's no withdraw button :) |
| 10:17.02 | rajataggarwal_ | now what should i do? |
| 10:17.24 | yuvraj23 | Complain it to #melange |
| 10:19.13 | panzone | there are some mentors here ? i have submited my proposal ( https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/public/google/gsoc2014/panzone/5629499534213120 ) and i want to have more feedback |
| 10:20.36 | __var | What is the student agreement that i must sign and give? |
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| 10:21.34 | blast007 | panzone: you'd want to speak directly to the organization |
| 10:22.07 | panzone | blast007: already done, this proposal is the result of one month of work in the organization channels |
| 10:22.39 | panzone | i just want to get more feedback as possibile since my english is pretty poor |
| 10:22.41 | yuvraj23 | _var:Have you filled up student's profile form? |
| 10:23.19 | __var | yuvraj2, yup |
| 10:23.20 | yuvraj23 | panzon: I just read it. You have written it very nicely :) \m/ |
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| 10:23.27 | __var | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/student_agreement |
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| 10:23.38 | yuvraj23 | _var: Then you have already signed it :) |
| 10:24.09 | __var | yuvraj23, Thank you :) |
| 10:24.36 | panzone | yuvraj23: thank you |
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| 10:26.15 | yuvraj23 | _var: You you'll need to submit an enrollment form |
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| 10:29.18 | VaticanCameos | Quick question: Can the enrollment form that I am to submit be a scan of my college ID card? |
| 10:29.34 | panzone | if there is a date yes |
| 10:29.42 | VaticanCameos | panzone: There is |
| 10:29.46 | VaticanCameos | So I guess I'm good to go |
| 10:29.49 | panzone | a precise date |
| 10:29.53 | VaticanCameos | The picture is rather horrid though. |
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| 10:29.58 | VaticanCameos | Hmm let me see |
| 10:30.00 | kblin | !proof | VaticanCameos |
| 10:30.02 | gsocbot | VaticanCameos: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
| 10:30.16 | panzone | 2014 alone isn' t enough |
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| 10:31.57 | VaticanCameos | kblin: Thanks, I was looking for that page |
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| 10:32.07 | VaticanCameos | panzone: So just "2010-2014" won't be enough |
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| 10:37.56 | yuvraj23 | VaticanCameos: if possible try to get a certificate from your institution and upload it |
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| 10:40.00 | VaticanCameos | yuvraj23: My institution is full of poop. Going to that office is a cumbersome process but I have no choice now ;p |
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| 10:41.16 | rudra101 | what exactly should I wri |
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| 10:41.31 | rudra101 | what exactly should I provide in the Enrollment form ? |
| 10:41.36 | PulkoMandy | I'm wondering why they make this so hard - when I was a student we got those certificates automatically with our student card |
| 10:41.48 | olly | !proof | rudra101 |
| 10:41.48 | gsocbot | rudra101: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
| 10:42.37 | ManFromSiberia | Hi all! How can I choose organization to submit my application? |
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| 10:42.53 | rudra101 | thanks olly and gsocbot ! |
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| 10:43.58 | panzone | ManFromSiberia: depends. what do you want to do ? do you have your own idea or do you read some idea lists ? |
| 10:45.01 | ManFromSiberia | panzone, I want to pick the idea from the list |
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| 10:46.09 | dufferzafar | do I have to upload the back side of the card too? though the date is perfectly legible on the front. |
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| 10:47.04 | olly | dufferzafar: i'd err on the side of providing too much rather than too little if it were me |
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| 10:47.19 | yuvraj23 | dufferzafar: You just need to show them the date |
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| 10:47.44 | dufferzafar | and it is not scanned. but a camera pic. |
| 10:48.05 | dufferzafar | no problem in clearity thoug |
| 10:49.01 | olly | dufferzafar: should be fine as long as it's in focus |
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| 10:49.11 | dufferzafar | oka. thanks. |
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| 10:53.18 | dufferzafar | will I be made aware of whether or not he ID I have submitted is valid? |
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| 10:56.26 | olly | dufferzafar: as the page about it says, they'll let you know if there's a problem |
| 10:56.47 | dufferzafar | and if there is not? |
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| 10:56.57 | olly | then you're good |
| 10:57.08 | rudra101 | I have a bonafide certificate stating that I am enrolled in the institute. Shall it suffice as an enrollment form ? |
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| 10:57.40 | olly | rudra101: we can't really give you better info that the URL gsocbot gave you |
| 10:57.42 | rudra101 | *with proper date. |
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| 10:58.21 | kyoushuu | hello, my enrollment form is for October 2013 to March 2014. April has no classes in the Philippines. is that alright? |
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| 10:59.03 | kyoushuu | the FAQ says I should be enrolled April 2014 |
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| 11:00.02 | olly | kyoushuu: if this isn't your last year, have you been accepted for 2014-2015 yet? |
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| 11:00.48 | kyoushuu | hm, I'm still in good standing in our school, the next enrollment would be in June |
| 11:01.02 | kyoushuu | so not yet, but probably |
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| 11:01.23 | olly | kyoushuu: i think you might be a bit unfortunate |
| 11:01.32 | olly | it's the date in April which matters |
| 11:01.58 | kyoushuu | hm, is summer class alright? maybe if I enroll in that, it would be alright |
| 11:02.06 | kyoushuu | that's for April-May |
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| 11:02.45 | olly | kyoushuu: if it fulfills the requirements (acredited institution, etc) I think so |
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| 11:03.45 | kyoushuu | olly, ok, thank you very much, I'll look for an alternative, maybe they could provide me a form or something similar if I can't enroll in summer |
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| 11:41.07 | mandarj | could anyone tell me what the age limitations for gsoc are? |
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| 11:41.44 | tctara | 18 or older |
| 11:41.51 | mandarj | k thx :) |
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| 11:45.21 | edu159 | Hi, is it possible to change my gsoc user name ? I have an ugly one from other year that do not correspond with the one I am using with the organisation I am aplying. Thanks |
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| 11:47.24 | darnir | You make a new account each year. |
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| 11:49.50 | jbisch | msg NickServ identify password |
| 11:50.02 | jbisch | where there is a / before msg and password is your password |
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| 11:51.46 | edu159 | darnir: Ive been asked to log in with a google account, was the same that the other year. And I cannot change the username. I want to use that account because it is my main. |
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| 11:53.23 | darnir | edu159: Contact #melange |
| 11:53.25 | olly | edu159: username can't be changed AFAIK |
| 11:53.39 | olly | they may be able to just delete it |
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| 11:54.19 | olly | i wouldn't worry about it not matching your IRC handle though - it only really appears in URLs |
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| 11:55.19 | wiruzx | Am I right, Google give our project for example 20 slots for all teams and we distribute in which team goes much? Or Google do it? |
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| 11:55.53 | olly | wiruzx: google gives the org a number of slots, and it's up to the org how they allocate them |
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| 11:56.39 | wiruzx | olly: thanks |
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| 11:57.03 | edu159 | darnir: Thanks darnir. |
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| 12:01.18 | VarunAgw | >>Anticipated challenges: Identify any challenges or risks there are to the project not being as successful as you hope or not being complete by the end of the GSoC term. |
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| 12:01.26 | VarunAgw | Why should I write any? |
| 12:01.49 | VarunAgw | Isn't that decrease chance of selection? |
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| 12:02.18 | PulkoMandy | VarunAgw: no, it means you have already thought about these problems and you are aware of them |
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| 12:03.30 | PulkoMandy | and maybe you can show you have some ideas how to avoid them, or how to make the project not be a complete failure (for example, if you see you are running out of time, maybe you have to only do half of the project, and add some small tasks so you still get an useful result, even if not as good as originally planned) |
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| 12:04.20 | VarunAgw | Thanks, It makes sense |
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| 12:52.59 | koosha | Do I have to sign & seal my enrollment confirmation at my university or does the electronic PDF version suffice? |
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| 12:55.51 | gevaerts | koosha: electronic should be fine. If it's not, you'll be told and given enough time to find something better |
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| 12:57.20 | koosha | thanks |
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| 13:17.56 | jack_ | helloo |
| 13:18.06 | wiruzx | hi |
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| 13:19.42 | jack_ | just looking through this projects stuff damn its a bit overwhelming |
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| 13:21.08 | jack_ | i dont know if theres anything I could even do I'm only in second semester of my computing course |
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| 13:21.30 | olly | !amigoodenough | jack_ |
| 13:21.31 | gsocbot | jack_: "amigoodenough" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/ |
| 13:21.54 | sumanah | jack_: yeah, I'm sure there's something you can do :-) |
| 13:22.04 | jack_ | yeaah I read that |
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| 13:22.18 | sumanah | jack_: choice can be overwhelming when you have been given very few choices in other parts of your education :) |
| 13:22.29 | olly | there are projects for a wide range of experience levels |
| 13:22.41 | jack_ | ooh okay |
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| 13:23.21 | Niharika | Hey sumanah! There is a wrap-up OPW meeting going on in #opw in irc.gnome.org. |
| 13:23.23 | jack_ | I've only started learning about object oriented stuff in java yet though tbh |
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| 13:23.33 | sumanah | Niharika: Thank you for the reminder! |
| 13:23.44 | Niharika | No problem. |
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| 13:24.53 | jack_ | ty for advice though I guess I just need to look through everything |
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| 13:25.07 | sumanah | jack_: So, some people find that working on a "real-world" project helps them learn better -- seeing a codebase that wasn't just an academic exercise. (There's a balance to everything, of course, and maybe you need a little ramping up before you can contribute improvements) http://blog.melchua.com/2013/06/19/hacker-school-session-engineering-learning-styles/ |
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| 13:28.15 | jack_ | yeah I do think it would help me a lot to work on something it's a bit underwhelming to work on the problems from my course and then never look at them again |
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| 13:29.34 | olly | jack_: play to your strengths - look for projects in areas you have knowledge of skills of |
| 13:29.40 | olly | e.g. related to hobbies maybe |
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| 13:30.38 | sumanah | I agree with olly |
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| 13:38.23 | jack_ | hmm yeah I'm seeing a couple interesting projects now although I think I may have to learn some languages for them but that shouldn't be too hard when I already understand most of the concepts |
| 13:38.29 | sumanah | Cool! |
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| 13:40.25 | jack_ | thank you for your time and encouragement btw I feel a bit more like I can maybe do this |
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| 13:40.45 | sumanah | Awesome jack_ :) |
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| 13:41.19 | sumanah | jack_: For your very first GSoC application or your first time contributing to open source in any way, it might be good to try these "training missions" - interactive tutorials http://openhatch.org/missions/ to help you learn some skills we use a lot in open source |
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| 13:41.40 | jack_ | ooh ok thank you |
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| 13:45.06 | srichakradhar | I've just created my student profile on GSOC. Where should I start next? |
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| 13:46.32 | sumanah | srichakradhar: Have you already found some open source projects you'd be interested in working with? |
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| 13:47.57 | srichakradhar | umm.. where can I find 'em? |
| 13:48.14 | sumanah | srichakradhar: So, you see https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2014 the main page? |
| 13:48.16 | srichakradhar | I am a total newbie |
| 13:48.34 | srichakradhar | yeah |
| 13:48.45 | sumanah | ok. Do you see the words "MENTORING ORGANIZATIONS"? |
| 13:48.57 | srichakradhar | yup |
| 13:49.09 | sumanah | srichakradhar: ok. Click that link that lets you see all the orgs. |
| 13:49.20 | srichakradhar | okay |
| 13:49.36 | sumanah | srichakradhar: I highly, highly recommend you read this guide http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ - the sections "Introduction" and "Applying" - right away |
| 13:50.19 | srichakradhar | thanks a lot! |
| 13:50.23 | srichakradhar | :) |
| 13:50.41 | sumanah | srichakradhar: Glad to help! Welcome to open source. |
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| 14:07.43 | flyergd | hello? O.o |
| 14:07.53 | sumanah | hi flyergd |
| 14:08.06 | sumanah | flyergd: Welcome to #gsoc - how are you doing? |
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| 14:09.42 | flyergd | right now im looking at some projects |
| 14:10.08 | sumanah | flyergd: Great! |
| 14:10.29 | flyergd | Its my first time in a project like this, I feel kinda nervous to tell you the truth. |
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| 14:10.41 | sumanah | flyergd: That's ok. Many of us felt nervous at first! |
| 14:11.17 | flyergd | ahah yeah I guess that's normal |
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| 14:12.23 | sumanah | flyergd: A bunch of open sourcey people got together and wrote this book you can read for free http://open-advice.org/ with advice - "what I wish I'd known when I started" |
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| 14:12.30 | sumanah | in case that sort of thing is helpful to you. |
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| 14:13.02 | flyergd | thanks I will look into it. |
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| 14:14.13 | Tony_ | Hello everyone! It is my first time use IRC,very intesting! |
| 14:14.19 | sumanah | Tony_: Welcome! |
| 14:14.23 | flyergd | welcome |
| 14:14.41 | flyergd | this is also my first time tony |
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| 14:17.38 | flyergd | sumanah are you a student or do you work for google? |
| 14:17.50 | sumanah | flyergd: Neither! |
| 14:17.54 | flyergd | mentor? |
| 14:18.04 | sumanah | flyergd: I'm Sumana Harihareswara and I work for the Wikimedia Foundation. In the past I've been a GSoC mentor and org admin. |
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| 14:18.41 | Tony_ | Very glad to meet you |
| 14:19.00 | darnir | Hello people! |
| 14:19.02 | flyergd | same here |
| 14:19.05 | flyergd | hi |
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| 14:19.06 | sumanah | :) |
| 14:19.36 | downey | Hello! |
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| 14:19.59 | Guest17989 | Hi downey. :) |
| 14:20.05 | sumanah | Recently I blogged about open source jobs http://www.harihareswara.net/sumana/2014/03/06/0 and about how we communicate in open source, the rhythm of getting help, and similar http://www.harihareswara.net/sumana/2014/02/26/0 |
| 14:20.10 | downey | prepares some tea |
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| 14:21.15 | flyergd | since I can submit a proposal to wikimedia I guess that if I have any questions you are the one I should be asking them. |
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| 14:21.59 | sumanah | flyergd: I'm one of the people happy to answer questions about Wikimedia, yeah :-) My colleague Quim is administering GSoC this year but I have done it in the past and can help. |
| 14:22.10 | Tony_ | Can anyone tell me where can I download the Enrollment form ? |
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| 14:22.44 | flyergd | I need to ask for it in your school |
| 14:22.48 | sumanah | Tony_: click on My Profile in Melange |
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| 14:24.08 | sumanah | Tony_: Have you already read http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment ? |
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| 14:32.49 | flyergd | sumanah: I was looking at wikimedia ideas page and correct if I am wrong but in your case the students are the ones to propose the projects right? |
| 14:33.06 | sumanah | flyergd: So, let me explain, because there's a little nuance here |
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| 14:33.59 | sumanah | flyergd: so, it's ok to come up with your own project idea https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Possible_projects#Your_project |
| 14:34.24 | sumanah | flyergd: it's also okay to use an idea that someone else came up with and is willing to mentor https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Possible_projects#Collaborative_spelling_dictionary_building_tool |
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| 14:34.42 | sumanah | but an idea needs your work to turn it into a proposal. Here's a proposal from a few years ago that we accepted https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Jarry1250/GSoC_2012_application |
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| 14:35.40 | sumanah | flyergd: I think of the one-paragraph idea as a "seed" that needs to grow into a little shrub which is the proposal :-) and then a tree which is the project |
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| 14:35.49 | sumanah | flyergd: does that help? |
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| 14:36.09 | flyergd | sumanah: oh, I guess I missed that, sorry! |
| 14:36.28 | MatthewWilkes | Hmm, how do I assign mentors? I can't find the control this year |
| 14:36.44 | flyergd | sumanah: how many are you going to accept this year? |
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| 14:37.11 | sumanah | !odds |
| 14:37.12 | gsocbot | sumanah: "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
| 14:37.13 | sumanah | !slots |
| 14:37.13 | gsocbot | sumanah: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/studentallocations |
| 14:37.29 | sumanah | flyergd: We don't know yet. You can look at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_Past_Projects to see how many we've accepted in past years |
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| 14:40.01 | flyergd | sumanah: thanks allot! I will think about submitting a proposal to wikimedia. And btw sorry about my english, I'm still a little "Rusty". |
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| 14:40.11 | sumanah | flyergd: you're way better than some I've seen. |
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| 15:49.48 | gevaerts | thinks hiddenpearls needs a ##fixyourconnection redirect ban |
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| 15:50.46 | sumanah | Might be a good idea. :-) |
| 15:51.06 | gevaerts | So we need an op :) |
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| 15:52.03 | atit | Helo Everyone. I am trying to submit the proposal. But I am not able to insert an image in the content field of the proposal page. Any inputs? |
| 15:52.39 | sumanah | hi atit. #melange might be able to help you. |
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| 15:54.22 | MatthewWilkes | gevaerts: Is there a google office near you? The google network has auto-op ;) |
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| 15:54.31 | atit | sumanah: Ok I am looking into it. |
| 15:54.37 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: not very, no :) |
| 15:55.55 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: maybe a proper server and some "misconfigured" BGP stuff? :) |
| 15:56.12 | gevaerts | doubts this would work |
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| 16:18.35 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 16:18.47 | downey | Hi, carols! |
| 16:18.51 | carols | hi downey |
| 16:18.51 | downey | thanks for the tea |
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| 16:25.37 | k-joseph | !next |
| 16:25.38 | gsocbot | k-joseph: Error: No factoid matches that key. |
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| 16:26.02 | carols | really? |
| 16:26.04 | carols | that's sad. |
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| 16:26.22 | k-joseph | :) |
| 16:26.25 | k-joseph | carols: hi |
| 16:26.26 | carols | !learn next as Student applications close for GSoC 2014 on 21 March, 2014 at 19:00 UTC |
| 16:26.27 | gsocbot | carols: "next" is Student applications close for GSoC 2014 on 21 March, 2014 at 19:00 UTC |
| 16:26.29 | carols | hi k-joseph |
| 16:27.39 | k-joseph | carols: i added all the neccessary information on my profile but am lacking an option for submiting a proposal, is it not yet time for that? |
| 16:27.51 | carols | k-joseph: oh it's definitely time |
| 16:27.56 | carols | did you submit your proof of enrollment? |
| 16:28.07 | k-joseph | carols: why then is this thus? |
| 16:28.21 | carols | um, what? |
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| 16:28.27 | k-joseph | carols: yes, i have submitted the enrollment |
| 16:28.41 | carols | great |
| 16:28.52 | carols | then the proposal submission button will be on the front page |
| 16:29.11 | k-joseph | carols: let me check once more!!! |
| 16:29.19 | downey | !previous |
| 16:29.19 | gsocbot | downey: "previous" is You should have typed !next yesterday! |
| 16:29.32 | downey | !forget previous |
| 16:29.33 | gsocbot | downey: The operation succeeded. |
| 16:29.38 | downey | !learn previous as Student applications opened for GSoC 2014 on 10 March, 2014 at 19:00 UTC |
| 16:29.39 | gsocbot | downey: "previous" is Student applications opened for GSoC 2014 on 10 March, 2014 at 19:00 UTC |
| 16:31.24 | k-joseph | carols: right, that's just that way it is, on the front page :) |
| 16:31.31 | carols | yep |
| 16:31.37 | carols | as in your face as is possible |
| 16:31.42 | carols | and people still don't see it |
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| 16:39.55 | downey | carols: "hiding in plain sight" |
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| 16:40.08 | carols | downey: i think if we *actually* hid it it would be easier to find... |
| 16:40.41 | downey | carols: actually, there's some truth to that. http://www.nngroup.com/articles/fancy-formatting-looks-like-an-ad/ |
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| 16:51.12 | carols | serves some more coffee and tea |
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| 17:03.35 | carols | quiet in here, i guess everyone's working on their proposals :-) |
| 17:04.03 | sumanah | :) |
| 17:04.13 | carols | :-) |
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| 17:11.56 | carols | well, that's fine with me. i consider no news good news. |
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| 17:12.54 | kblin | I'm not. I'm not eligible :) |
| 17:13.07 | carols | kblin: eligible to be a student? |
| 17:13.46 | carols | you're certainly eligible to be a mentor :-) |
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| 17:15.11 | ankush92_ | carols: Is it possible to change my shipping address later on? |
| 17:15.16 | carols | ankush92_: sure |
| 17:15.25 | carols | whenever you like and as many times as you like |
| 17:15.38 | carols | well, until the program's over. you can't change it after that. |
| 17:15.54 | ankush92_ | haha :) Thans |
| 17:15.55 | ankush92_ | *Thanks |
| 17:15.57 | carols | yw |
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| 17:17.49 | ankush92_ | carols: Will just a scanned copy of my college identity card that clearly mentions my graduation month and year suffice as proof of enrollment? |
| 17:18.02 | carols | ankush92_: have you read over the instructions? |
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| 17:18.27 | ankush92_ | carols: I have, yes. I was just wondering if I should upload more documents. |
| 17:18.37 | carols | "Rather than ask questions on the mailing list about whether or not the document you have is acceptable as proof of enrollment, simply submit the document to Melange. If it is not what we need, we will request an alternate document from you." |
| 17:18.41 | carols | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
| 17:18.55 | Niharika | carols: Instead of a scanned copy, could I take a high-quality picture of the admit card? |
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| 17:19.08 | ankush92_ | carols: Thanks |
| 17:19.18 | carols | Niharika: i give you the same instructions i gave ankush92_ |
| 17:19.24 | carols | :-) |
| 17:19.57 | atit | carols: Helo. I am trying to submit the proposal. But I am not able to insert an image in the content field of the proposal page. Any inputs? |
| 17:20.16 | carols | atit: the melange developers can help you. i don't know if that's possible. |
| 17:20.20 | carols | you'll have to ask them |
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| 17:21.50 | atit | carols: Yeah I already posted the questions there but no response . Thanks anyways :) |
| 17:21.55 | carols | ok yw |
| 17:22.00 | carols | how long as it been since you asked? |
| 17:22.10 | carols | we have a required response time of 48 hours for our mentors |
| 17:22.57 | carols | if it's been more than 48 hours i'd like to know so I can talk to them about it. |
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| 17:25.54 | atit | carols: Sorry I didnt know the responce time was close to 48 hrs. It has just been like 4 hrs now |
| 17:26.04 | carols | oh, yeah, just have some patience :-) |
| 17:26.21 | carols | we all have lives and we sleep and we have jobs and stuff :-) |
| 17:27.05 | Ivanovic | carols: we have the 48h respsonse time? |
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| 17:27.18 | Ivanovic | in 6 years of gsoc I was not aware of this... |
| 17:27.21 | carols | Ivanovic: yes, google requires a 48h response time from orgs |
| 17:27.27 | carols | would you like the faq link? |
| 17:27.33 | Ivanovic | no need to |
| 17:27.36 | carols | ok |
| 17:27.56 | Ivanovic | i know that our internal response time tends to be a lot lower since we expect our students to handle things in the IRC chan |
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| 17:28.16 | atit | carols: yeah I prefectly get that. I will try again later after few hrs. But I thought on IRC people reply instantly. |
| 17:28.49 | Ivanovic | atit: itc is not instant at all |
| 17:29.03 | Ivanovic | atit: many people tend to idle and eventually come back, see what was up and reply |
| 17:29.11 | Ivanovic | ehm, s/itc/irc |
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| 17:31.31 | atit | Ivanovic: Yup I get it now. :) |
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| 17:33.58 | umccullough | always chuckles when peope join, ask "hello?" 3 times, and then leave within 1 minute's time |
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| 17:34.28 | Pessimist | hello hello hello |
| 17:34.30 | Pessimist | /part |
| 17:34.34 | umccullough | basically |
| 17:34.44 | gohar94 | Is there a way to register a project directly with Google/Android and not with another organisation? |
| 17:34.47 | umccullough | or, they ask a question, and don't stick around for the answer |
| 17:35.01 | gohar94 | *sticking around for the answer* |
| 17:35.02 | umccullough | gohar94, explain further |
| 17:35.14 | umccullough | you mean a project that doesn't fit any other org? |
| 17:35.18 | gohar94 | Yeah |
| 17:35.26 | gohar94 | That's a separate Android app, basically |
| 17:35.37 | umccullough | there's an OSPO org for that kind of stuff i believe, but you'll want to ask carols for further details |
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| 17:35.54 | gohar94 | Oh okay, thanks a lot |
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| 17:36.20 | gohar94 | @carols Is there a way to register a project directly with Google/Android and not with another organisation? To work on a separate Android application. |
| 17:36.25 | darnir | OSPO is for extremely technical and academic projects. It is not fir such things. |
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| 17:36.47 | umccullough | gohar94, http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#16._What_if_there_is_no_organization |
| 17:37.09 | gohar94 | THANKS A TON! |
| 17:37.20 | umccullough | you might be able to find an umbrella org that you can work under |
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| 17:38.24 | gohar94 | Well, this seems more academic |
| 17:38.33 | gohar94 | My idea wasn't really that sort of a project :/ |
| 17:38.51 | umccullough | yeah, reading it further myself, doesn't sound like what you wanted |
| 17:39.23 | umccullough | but if you find an org that is close enough to what you want to do, you might be able to get them to mentor you |
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| 17:40.56 | aps-sids | Hello everyone. If a student applies for more than one project, can he/she give a preference order for the projects? |
| 17:41.13 | gohar94 | Thank you so much. I'll look into it. :) |
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| 17:41.26 | umccullough | aps-sids, i suppose you could put that into your proposal, but i'm not sure it would matter |
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| 17:42.33 | aps-sids | umccullough: Sorry, I meant applies to more than one org. |
| 17:43.09 | umccullough | still wouldn't matter - if more than one org decides to work with you, they will likely discuss between themselves which one will accept you |
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| 17:45.18 | aps-sids | That's what I wanted to know, if they'd ask me which one I prefer :) |
| 17:45.37 | umccullough | they might, but it's not guaranteed :) |
| 17:46.22 | umccullough | you could add something in your proposal asking if they could discuss with you prior to deduplication |
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| 17:47.32 | umccullough | if I were you, however, I think i wouldn't submit proposals for projects that you don't really want to do - but instead focus your efforts more strongly on the ones you do want to do |
| 17:48.01 | umccullough | you stand a better chance of acceptance if you spend more time working with your preferred org, discussing your preferred project |
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| 18:00.54 | IZ__ | Question: Suppose you are interested in collaborating on different projects within an organization. Do you submit a different proposal for each project or combine them under one proposal . |
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| 18:01.58 | carols | Iz_: i'd recommend you speak to the org about it |
| 18:02.01 | carols | ask them what they'd like |
| 18:02.48 | IZ__ | Thank you. |
| 18:03.11 | carols | yw |
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| 18:42.49 | downey | !numapps |
| 18:42.50 | gsocbot | downey: "numapps" is (#1) In 2014, 190 of 371 mentoring orgs were accepted. 2013: 117/417 orgs; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students), or (#2) In 2014, 190 of 371 mentoring orgs were (1 more message) |
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| 18:46.32 | Zimnx | carols, can i take a photo of my student ID as proof of enrollment or it needs to be a copy using xero machine? |
| 18:46.42 | carols | Zimnx: whichever |
| 18:48.15 | Zimnx | ok thx ;) |
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| 18:49.34 | carols | yw |
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| 19:16.58 | Zimnx | can i have a one cup of coffee? ;P |
| 19:17.11 | carols | Zimnx: sure, help yourself |
| 19:17.50 | Zimnx | can you mail me or i need to fly half of earth to san francisco? ;) |
| 19:18.03 | carols | Zimnx: neither, just take the coffee that's in IRC :-) |
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| 19:19.06 | MisterA | inter-relay coffee |
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| 19:19.15 | MisterA | the best kind of coffee |
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| 19:23.41 | JordiGH | I feel bad, I yelled really horribly at an applicant: https://savannah.gnu.org/patch/?8363#comment6 |
| 19:23.53 | carols | JordiGH: did you apologize? |
| 19:23.54 | JordiGH | I'm not really Catholic, but I feel like I need a Catholic confession. |
| 19:24.06 | JordiGH | I did, but I think I already scared the poor guy away. |
| 19:24.15 | carols | then don't do it in the future. |
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| 19:24.55 | dberkholz | anyone in SF wanna grab a cool, refreshing beverage with me on monday night? |
| 19:25.23 | carols | dberkholz: maybe, you might want to email the outreach folks and see if they're interested |
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| 19:25.52 | vedu | dberkholz: what is SF? |
| 19:25.58 | dberkholz | i was hoping to save myself the trouble of keeping chrome from crashing for a few minutes |
| 19:25.59 | carols | vedu: san francisco. |
| 19:26.11 | flyergd | hey |
| 19:26.13 | JordiGH | dorkcat: Maybe Django possessed me, then. |
| 19:26.15 | carols | hi flyergd |
| 19:26.35 | carols | dorkcat JordiGH: a topic you're welcome to discuss further in another channel. |
| 19:26.38 | vedu | aah. should have guessed that one. |
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| 19:27.58 | vedu | how can I be sure that the enrollment form I submitted will be acceptable by the program? |
| 19:28.10 | carols | vedu: you don't receive an email indicating otherwise fromme. |
| 19:28.13 | carols | *from me |
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| 19:30.21 | flyergd | @carols: do you work for google? |
| 19:30.27 | carols | flyergd: i do. |
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| 19:32.26 | flyergd | @carols: I'm having trouble choosing projects for my proposals. Any advice? |
| 19:32.34 | carols | flyergd: have you chosen the org? |
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| 19:33.11 | stqism | flyergd: You're the one making the proposals, that's the golden rule. |
| 19:34.26 | umccullough | if you don't find a project in the ideas list(s) that suits you, you can always propose your own project |
| 19:34.30 | carols | flyergd: see, when you say "project" i don't know if you mean "project for an organization" or if you mean "organization" |
| 19:34.42 | carols | either way, they're both talked about in the student manual |
| 19:34.45 | carols | so you can just read that |
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| 19:36.21 | flyergd | @carols: sorry about that. I wanted to choose something I'm sure I can do, so I'm trying to decide on an organization. |
| 19:36.26 | froggy | what is this connections feature in melange ? And how do i send my proposal to the organisation |
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| 19:36.58 | MisterA | froggy: in the main gsoc2014 page, there should be a big orange "submit proposal" button |
| 19:37.13 | froggy | inside my acount ? |
| 19:37.26 | MisterA | no(you must be logged on to see it though) |
| 19:37.29 | stqism | flyergd: It's on you to know what you yourself can do. |
| 19:37.55 | flyergd | @carols: I have been reading their ideas lists and all, and I do have some experience programming, but I still feel like I'm a bit over my head (I hope I'm making sense). |
| 19:37.57 | KolibriOS|yogev | flyergd: Just search for organizations that use programming languages that you want to use |
| 19:37.58 | froggy | I am logged in . I see nothing .. |
| 19:38.06 | KolibriOS|yogev | froggy: Connections means you probably registered as a mentor. |
| 19:38.06 | froggy | which side of screen ? |
| 19:38.11 | MisterA | froggy: hold on, i'll screenshot it |
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| 19:38.17 | froggy | ok thanks |
| 19:38.19 | froggy | do it |
| 19:38.29 | froggy | I didnt register as mentor |
| 19:38.36 | stqism | flyergd: I recommend looking for orgs with proposals that are marked easier |
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| 19:39.29 | MisterA | froggy: http://i.imgur.com/4zqSH9L.png |
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| 19:39.48 | flyergd | KolibriOS|yogev: well I have worked so far with assembly c c++ java matlab scheme and python |
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| 19:40.03 | KolibriOS|yogev | flyergd: But which language from those do you like the most? |
| 19:40.04 | flyergd | KolibriOS|yogev: I'm not an expert in any of those tough |
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| 19:40.14 | flyergd | KolibriOS|yogev: c probably |
| 19:40.22 | KolibriOS|yogev | flyergd: It's less about expertise, more about what you like. |
| 19:40.32 | flyergd | stqism: thanks for the tip |
| 19:40.43 | MisterA | hope that helps froggy |
| 19:40.44 | KolibriOS|yogev | flyergd: There are at least a few organizations using C, just search for C using tags field. |
| 19:41.04 | stqism | flyergd: Our core library is C, we exist with others |
| 19:41.14 | froggy | I see there it shows me connections |
| 19:41.23 | stqism | froggy: Pictures? |
| 19:41.29 | froggy | wait |
| 19:41.30 | stqism | ^mentor |
| 19:41.33 | froggy | 1 min |
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| 19:41.34 | stqism | !mentor |
| 19:41.41 | stqism | Damn gsocbot |
| 19:41.45 | MisterA | lol |
| 19:41.51 | KolibriOS|yogev | !unmentor |
| 19:41.52 | gsocbot | KolibriOS|yogev: "unmentor" is mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com and Cc: carols@google.com with your melange username (top of the page) and say you mistakenly registered as a mentor |
| 19:41.56 | KolibriOS|yogev | See? magic :-) |
| 19:42.11 | KolibriOS|yogev | froggy: I said you registered as a mentor :-) |
| 19:42.21 | stqism | KolibriOS|yogev: ;_; |
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| 19:42.46 | flyergd | KolibriOS|yogev: I guess I don't know until I try. thanks. |
| 19:43.14 | flyergd | stqism: do you work for an organization? |
| 19:43.33 | dorkcat | hmm, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, plan 9 would all be C |
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| 19:43.41 | froggy | http://imgur.com/0nXAFyF |
| 19:43.45 | froggy | help me |
| 19:43.53 | froggy | oh god ! what have i done |
| 19:44.07 | KolibriOS|yogev | !unmentor | froggy |
| 19:44.08 | gsocbot | froggy: "unmentor" is mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com and Cc: carols@google.com with your melange username (top of the page) and say you mistakenly registered as a mentor |
| 19:44.38 | froggy | ok thanks |
| 19:44.57 | froggy | can i use another a/c :) |
| 19:45.05 | froggy | rather than all emails stuf |
| 19:45.12 | KolibriOS|yogev | froggy: Yes, you may. Another GMail account |
| 19:45.17 | froggy | :) |
| 19:45.22 | froggy | easy solution ! |
| 19:45.28 | froggy | I have another account |
| 19:45.38 | froggy | thanks |
| 19:45.44 | froggy | for all the help |
| 19:45.50 | froggy | you guys rock ! |
| 19:45.52 | KolibriOS|yogev | !learn unmentor as Or just register again with another GMail account |
| 19:45.52 | gsocbot | KolibriOS|yogev: "unmentor" is (#1) mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com and Cc: carols@google.com with your melange username (top of the page) and say you mistakenly registered as a mentor, or (#2) Or just register again with another GMail account |
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| 19:48.26 | flyergd | do I need a mentor before I make a proposal? |
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| 19:48.45 | KolibriOS|yogev | flyergd: Depends if it's your own idea or one of existing ideas. |
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| 19:49.12 | stqism | flyergd: I do |
| 19:49.30 | stqism | flyergd: Students make proposals. |
| 19:49.56 | KolibriOS|yogev | flyergd: If it's one of existing ideas, then you don't need to find a mentor before. Mentor is already assigned to the idea. If it's your own idea, then yes you need to find a mentor before. |
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| 19:52.07 | flyergd | KolibriOS|yogev: Ok thanks allot! |
| 19:53.17 | flyergd | stqism: which org? you said you use c so I would like to look into it. |
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| 19:53.40 | stqism | flyergd: Tox, http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2014/tox |
| 19:54.14 | flyergd | stqism: thanks! =) |
| 19:54.30 | stqism | np |
| 19:54.31 | KolibriOS|yogev | flyergd: We at KolibriOS have mostly assembly tasks but we do have 1 porting task for this year which is in C. |
| 19:55.01 | umccullough | there are plenty of orgs with "c" in their tags |
| 19:55.17 | umccullough | i think it was kblin that provided a regex for finding them ;) |
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| 19:56.34 | flyergd | KolibriOS|yogev: thanks for the info, I will look into it right now! Really guys thanks allot for the patience |
| 19:56.41 | KolibriOS|yogev | umccullough: The problem is that C is just 1 letter so it shows all organizations which have a tag that has the letter C in it, not necessarily the language C :-) |
| 19:57.02 | KolibriOS|yogev | umccullough: But with a nice trick you are going to work around that |
| 19:57.24 | umccullough | looks for that regex |
| 19:57.30 | KolibriOS|yogev | umccullough: Just type "c," and not "c" |
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| 19:58.55 | umccullough | nope, it was gevaerts |
| 19:59.12 | umccullough | \bc\b([^#+]|$) |
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| 20:00.09 | umccullough | KolibriOS|yogev, that regex gets even the ones at the end of the tags, i believe |
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| 20:01.07 | umccullough | in any case, i get 43 |
| 20:01.20 | KolibriOS|yogev | umccullough: Right. My idea also gives things like "geostatic" but it's still fair way to find C projects. |
| 20:01.33 | umccullough | yep |
| 20:01.40 | umccullough | and it was my first guess too :) |
| 20:01.54 | umccullough | returns 56 |
| 20:02.34 | KolibriOS|yogev | umccullough: So it's not precise, but still gives you over 30 organizations that really use C. |
| 20:02.41 | MisterA | why not just change the tag from c to something like "c project" |
| 20:03.00 | MisterA | or "c whatever" |
| 20:03.24 | umccullough | the tags are typed by the org |
| 20:03.34 | umccullough | so, we don't have much control over what they specify |
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| 20:03.58 | MisterA | oh, I see |
| 20:04.08 | MisterA | maybe a notice for the orgs would be a good idea |
| 20:04.24 | umccullough | i'm sure any recommendations on making the tags better would be directed to #melange :) |
| 20:04.32 | MisterA | ah, I see, alright |
| 20:04.41 | umccullough | which, btw, is a GSOC project |
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| 20:25.34 | sumanah | I have a few minutes to look at someone's proposal, if you've already had your mentor look at it but want a second or third opinion :-) |
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| 20:41.56 | raks437 | What kind of work I may get with HTML+JS ?? |
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| 20:42.10 | thiago | as in professional work? |
| 20:42.56 | raks437 | I checked the participating projects and there was very few for HTML+JS...only was melange.. |
| 20:43.25 | raks437 | but I don't have good knowledge on Appengine or Django |
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| 20:43.55 | MevaUm | how to get in contact with a mentor? |
| 20:44.02 | raks437 | one more questions can I participate if I am a TVC to Google ?? |
| 20:44.17 | thiago | MevaUm: for which organisation? |
| 20:44.34 | tierra | WordPress has project ideas that don't involve knowing more than HTML + JS |
| 20:44.34 | MevaUm | pcl |
| 20:44.36 | sumanah | raks437: What does TVC stand for? |
| 20:44.40 | MevaUm | thiago, pcl |
| 20:44.44 | raks437 | I am working as a vendor(contractor) to Google |
| 20:44.46 | tierra | I'm sure a ton of other projects do too |
| 20:44.53 | sumanah | raks437: That is probably in the FAQ |
| 20:44.55 | raks437 | full time |
| 20:44.55 | sumanah | !faq |
| 20:44.55 | gsocbot | sumanah: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page |
| 20:45.05 | thiago | MevaUm: the best place to find their mentors is in their IRC channels and their mailing lists |
| 20:45.43 | MevaUm | thiago, yeah i figured irc would be a good choice, the problem is i dont know their nicknames |
| 20:46.01 | sumanah | MevaUm: can you do some websearching around to try to find out? :-) |
| 20:46.10 | thiago | MevaUm: right. But you need to first find the right channel. |
| 20:46.24 | tierra | raks437: CodeMirror is a strictly HTML/JS project, and is participating this year |
| 20:46.51 | MevaUm | sumanah, sure i can, it will be my next step, but we should always try the ez way out first, right? |
| 20:47.02 | sumanah | MevaUm: well, easy for whom? |
| 20:47.04 | scorche|1h | not necessarily... |
| 20:47.04 | sumanah | :) |
| 20:47.08 | thiago | MevaUm: not really |
| 20:47.13 | sumanah | by the way MevaUm http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch014_communication-best-practices/ might help you |
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| 20:47.27 | sumanah | MevaUm: We try for a balance between person-to-person discussion and documentation that everyone can read, so we save time answering common questions but also get everyone the personal help they need. |
| 20:47.31 | thiago | MevaUm: taking the easy way out is sometimes taken as an indication of laziness and may give the wrong impression to potential mentors |
| 20:47.44 | thiago | read http://softwareswirl.blogspot.com/2014/03/my-secret-tip-for-gsoc-success.html |
| 20:47.48 | scorche|sh | wouldnt really want to have a student who always tries the "ez way out" |
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| 20:48.53 | sumanah | MevaUm: so, you should know that "the easy way" has a different meaning in US English and Western European English than "the easy way out" |
| 20:49.21 | KolibriOS|yogev | raks437: Aside from the (potential) eligibility problem, when do you plan to do the GSoC work if you are selected and already have a full-time job? GSoC itself is like a full-time job, you won't be able to do 2 full-time jobs. |
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| 20:49.31 | sumanah | MevaUm: taking "the easy way out" implies cheating or abandoning obligations. |
| 20:49.38 | sumanah | Perhaps you didn't mean that? |
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| 20:50.31 | MevaUm | sumanah, well i didnt know that, anyway wt i was trying to say is: if there was a straighfoward way of knowing the schedule of the mentors so it would be easier for me to contact them... |
| 20:50.48 | sumanah | MevaUm: Got it. Some projects are more clear about that than other projects. |
| 20:51.40 | KolibriOS|yogev | MevaUm: If you just join their IRC channel and ask "Are there any mentors around?" that won't do any harm I guess. Worst case nobody will answer. |
| 20:51.58 | raks437 | KolibriOS|yogev: you are correct I should drop the plan of participating in GSOC..I will try to contribute anyways.. |
| 20:52.03 | MevaUm | KolibriOS|yogev, sure, i guess i kind of did it |
| 20:52.17 | sumanah | raks437: Absolutely! Most people contribute to open source WITHOUT the structure of GSoC. |
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| 20:53.30 | KolibriOS|yogev | MevaUm: Watch their channel topic too, they might have written how to contact mentors there. |
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| 20:54.27 | brlcad | KolibriOS|yogev: even better, ask what you intended to ask them |
| 20:54.38 | sumanah | Good luck, all |
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| 20:54.44 | KolibriOS|yogev | brlcad: Right, don't ask to ask, just ask :-D |
| 20:54.53 | brlcad | that still holds true |
| 20:55.52 | brlcad | instead of "are there any mentors?", maybe "gsoc mentors: I'm proposing to work on a widget, is someone available to look over my write-up?" |
| 20:56.08 | brlcad | or whatever non vague question you have |
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| 20:56.22 | MevaUm | KolibriOS|yogev, i've checked in the "ideas homepage" of the organization. I guess i mixed the general gsoc informations with the ones presented there... It says nothing about irc, unfortunately |
| 20:56.24 | brlcad | "help me" or "help me pick a project" is a terrible request |
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| 20:56.54 | KolibriOS|yogev | MevaUm: What's the org name again? |
| 20:57.16 | MevaUm | pcl |
| 20:57.34 | brlcad | we have a PCL integration topic proposed :) |
| 20:57.47 | MevaUm | they provide an email address there, i guess ill mail them |
| 20:57.50 | brlcad | (we have a point cloud entity, beef it up with PCL) |
| 20:58.26 | KolibriOS|yogev | MevaUm: They do have an IRC channel for GSoC |
| 20:58.59 | KolibriOS|yogev | MevaUm: On their org page on GSoC website: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2014/pcl |
| 20:59.00 | MevaUm | KolibriOS|yogev, which one? |
| 20:59.10 | MevaUm | ty! |
| 20:59.27 | KolibriOS|yogev | MevaUm: There is an IRC icon, it says "There%20is%20a%20#pcl IRC node on irc.oftc.net." |
| 21:00.46 | KolibriOS|yogev | MevaUm: When you join their IRC, it is also a good idea to tell them to fix their IRC link on GSoC page, it will surely get you some bonus points. |
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| 21:01.37 | MevaUm | KolibriOS|yogev, hahaha thank you, and sorry guys for the misunderstanding |
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| 21:02.38 | KolibriOS|yogev | MevaUm: yw |
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| 21:05.44 | tierra | kind of a weird coincidence, but I'm looking at two proposals to my org for two different ideas, from two different students, but both had successful GSoC projects last year on the same (other) org, both intern'd at Intel OSTC, and both are from the same university |
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| 21:07.40 | KolibriOS|yogev | tierra: Maybe they live in the same room in the dormitory, so they do everything together :-) |
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| 21:08.08 | aps-sids | tierra: Have they chatted with you at the same time? ;) |
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| 21:11.42 | tierra | we actually know one of them from some work they did on our project 8-9 months ago, which was highly related to the other org they did participate with |
| 21:11.50 | tierra | both high quality proposals, heh |
| 21:12.48 | tierra | not saying I suspect any "gaming" going on or anything... just fun to see |
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| 21:15.00 | tierra | could possibly be an interesting story behind them worth re-posting on the Google blog assuming they are both accepted this year, and assuming they actually do know each other |
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| 21:15.13 | rray | so i had a question |
| 21:15.28 | rray | if i'm studying in US on a F1 visa |
| 21:15.38 | rray | and i'm gonna be staying in my home country over the summer |
| 21:15.47 | rray | i won't need cpt, right? |
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| 21:26.26 | *** topic/#gsoc is Student applications are being accepted until 21 March, see the program timeline: http://goo.gl/Anraxm or deadline announcer: http://goo.gl/1ZefN4 for more info | The Google Summer of Code 2014 mentoring orgs list is at: http://goo.gl/Qx6xLC |
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| 21:36.16 | downey | rray: You might not want to rely on #gsoc for legal advice. :) |
| 21:36.40 | dorkcat | they should ban laws |
| 21:36.42 | carols | downey: not only might not want, shouldn't. :-) |
| 21:36.48 | downey | indeed :) |
| 21:37.03 | downey | rray: You shouldn't rely on #gsoc for legal advice. :-P |
| 21:37.23 | carols | what downey said :-) |
| 21:37.34 | downey | (or any other IRC channel) |
| 21:38.15 | umccullough | creates #legaladvice |
| 21:38.34 | umccullough | topic: "don't listen to us" |
| 21:38.34 | rray | ughh |
| 21:38.42 | rray | the faq page was kinda clear about it |
| 21:38.46 | rray | but i wanted to double check somehow |
| 21:39.40 | paultag | my legal advice is get a lawyer |
| 21:39.50 | umccullough | or at least ask one :) |
| 21:40.11 | paultag | yeah, but then it's not subject to the goodies you get as a real client |
| 21:40.19 | paultag | e.g. not legal advice |
| 21:40.23 | gevaerts | paultag: make sure to keep the receipt though. You want to be able to take him back if he's broken :) |
| 21:40.32 | paultag | gevaerts: you can fire a lawyer :) |
| 21:40.35 | carols | what's the question? |
| 21:40.39 | paultag | and get your money you used as retainer |
| 21:40.44 | paultag | Uh, I don't even know :) |
| 21:40.48 | carols | okay |
| 21:40.52 | carols | serves some tea |
| 21:40.54 | gevaerts | 22:15:28 <rray> if i'm studying in US on a F1 visa |
| 21:40.55 | gevaerts | 22:15:38 <rray> and i'm gonna be staying in my home country over the summer |
| 21:40.55 | gevaerts | 22:15:47 <rray> i won't need cpt, right? |
| 21:40.56 | paultag | grabs a cuppa |
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| 21:40.57 | gevaerts | carols: ^ |
| 21:41.03 | carols | thanks gevaerts |
| 21:41.28 | carols | rray: yeah, no one in this channel can answer that question for you. You'll need to ask a visa specialist who can advise you on your particular situation |
| 21:41.37 | rray | carols: thanks |
| 21:41.38 | carols | yw |
| 21:41.44 | rray | i'll look into it |
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| 21:41.59 | rray | as i said, the faq page is pretty clear about it, i just wanted to make sure |
| 21:42.11 | carols | the faq page is intentionally unclear about it |
| 21:42.20 | carols | because we can't advise anyone one whether they can legally work anywhere |
| 21:42.35 | carols | they have to determine that for themselves and accept the ramifications therein themselves |
| 21:42.45 | rray | that's understandable |
| 21:42.53 | carols | i agree. |
| 21:43.01 | carols | last thing i want is to go to jail for running this program. |
| 21:43.57 | downey | carols: we'd bring you tea. |
| 21:44.01 | rray | that.. would be bad ;_; |
| 21:44.02 | carols | thank downey. |
| 21:44.06 | carols | *thanks |
| 21:44.10 | carols | i agree. |
| 21:44.17 | carols | a jail-free carols is a happy carols. |
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| 21:45.39 | umccullough | carols, wanted in 30 countries for illegally employing foreign nationals |
| 21:45.47 | downey | Is anyone in here going to LibrePlanet conference next week? |
| 21:45.57 | carols | umccullough: that would be very unfortunate. |
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| 21:46.39 | gevaerts | We'd need a jailbreak |
| 21:46.50 | umccullough | i hear there's a website for that |
| 21:47.11 | gevaerts | We don't want to have to reverse engineer carols though. It sounds disrespectful :) |
| 21:47.31 | scorche|sh | and uncomfortable |
| 21:47.49 | dorkcat | >therein |
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| 21:47.51 | dorkcat | dies |
| 21:47.55 | umccullough | decides not to comment about rooting devices |
| 21:48.08 | scorche|sh | yeah - maybe we should move to another topic... |
| 21:48.17 | carols | i agree. |
| 21:48.42 | KolibriOS|yogev | I wonder how many applications other small orgs have got so far? If you can share? |
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| 21:48.45 | downey | Good thing android is open source. :) |
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| 21:49.05 | Pois1 | Is it possible to to submit a student proposal in pdf format? |
| 21:49.50 | KolibriOS|yogev | Pois1: It has to be in HTML but you can upload the PDF file somewhere and link to it on your proposal, but not all orgs like that. |
| 21:50.02 | Pois1 | ok thanks |
| 21:50.08 | dorkcat | Not in plaintext? A few seem to want it in plaintext... |
| 21:50.16 | carols | i have another idea. |
| 21:50.28 | carols | someone could submit a patch to melange to accept pdf embedding in tinymce. |
| 21:50.32 | carols | that would be amazing. |
| 21:50.44 | KolibriOS|yogev | dorkcat: It automatically HTMLizes the page, no? At least that's what I see on my student proposals. |
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| 23:20.44 | andrew_sz | Hi, I have very specific question about an enrollment form |
| 23:21.17 | umccullough | we might have very specific answers :) |
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| 23:21.38 | umccullough | but probably not |
| 23:22.02 | andrew_sz | Is it accepted if I upload a photo of my European Youth Card? like this https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/107181301/enrollment.jpg |
| 23:22.53 | scorche|sh | andrew_sz: you likely want to remove that image - this channel is publicly logged, so you dont want to link to anything you dont want public |
| 23:22.56 | andrew_sz | Or I have to ask for an international version from my institution? |
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| 23:23.08 | umccullough | !proof | andrew_sz |
| 23:23.08 | gsocbot | andrew_sz: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
| 23:23.15 | andrew_sz | @scorche: I will remove the image |
| 23:23.45 | scorche|sh | in general, the best advice is to try and follow what is said in the FAQ/guides the best you can - if it is not sufficient, you will be let know |
| 23:23.57 | gevaerts | I don't think this card will be good enough |
| 23:24.13 | gevaerts | But then it's not my decision |
| 23:24.44 | umccullough | well, the card does show a sticker containing a 13/14 year |
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| 23:25.00 | umccullough | but it is unclear if it is applicable through april 21 |
| 23:25.07 | gevaerts | Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I can see it just says you're a student, but it doesn't specify where exactly, so e.g. accreditation is impossible to check |
| 23:25.24 | gevaerts | Ah, wait, it does say that |
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| 23:25.30 | gevaerts | learns to look |
| 23:25.46 | gevaerts | Right, the date issue is going to be the critical one |
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| 23:26.04 | gevaerts | Not sure which way that one will go |
| 23:26.28 | umccullough | it's probably best to submit it and then wait to see if anyone asks you for something else |
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| 23:26.59 | andrew_sz | Thanks for the answers :) |
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| 23:27.59 | logm | Where can I download a copy of the enrollment form? Thanks |
| 23:28.14 | umccullough | your enrollment form? |
| 23:28.27 | umccullough | as in, the one showing that you're enrolled in an accredited institution? |
| 23:29.20 | umccullough | !proof | logm |
| 23:29.20 | gsocbot | logm: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
| 23:29.56 | logm | Oh ok...Also I am to young I am a senior in high school |
| 23:30.11 | umccullough | will you be enrolled in college/uni by april 21? |
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| 23:30.42 | umccullough | as far as age, you must be 18 or older |
| 23:30.56 | logm | I wont be taking classes until next fall |
| 23:30.58 | umccullough | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#1._Are_there_any_age_restrictions_on |
| 23:31.00 | logm | I am 18 |
| 23:31.21 | gevaerts | logm: when you're actually starting classes is irrelevant |
| 23:31.25 | umccullough | i think everything you need to know is at that link |
| 23:31.26 | gevaerts | Are you *accepted*? |
| 23:31.33 | pwnedu46 | I thought you just had to be accepted, but not enrolled in classes. |
| 23:31.39 | gevaerts | And can you get a bit of paper to prove it? |
| 23:31.43 | downey | pwnedu46: that's correct |
| 23:32.04 | pwnedu46 | ah, ok |
| 23:32.11 | downey | pwnedu46: (as of april 21) |
| 23:32.14 | logm | Ok thanks for your help |
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