| 00:00.47 | bePolite | downey: I am at the melange site |
| 00:00.48 | bePolite | I don't see any link to submit proposals |
| 00:02.11 | umccullough | did you register as a mentor? |
| 00:02.44 | umccullough | by accident? |
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| 00:04.30 | bePolite | Nope As a Student |
| 00:04.41 | umccullough | did you upload enrollment info? |
| 00:04.47 | bePolite | nope not yet |
| 00:04.53 | umccullough | i think that's required first |
| 00:05.19 | bePolite | Okey thanks |
| 00:05.21 | gevaerts | It is |
| 00:06.04 | TCD | I can't seem to find the faq about enrollment forms |
| 00:07.55 | megabitdragon | I assigned a role to one of the connections but he still shows up as no role |
| 00:07.57 | megabitdragon | any ideas? |
| 00:08.20 | megabitdragon | I should mention that he did not requested a role |
| 00:08.27 | olly | !proof | TCD |
| 00:08.27 | gsocbot | TCD: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
| 00:09.22 | TCD | thanks :) |
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| 00:10.31 | bePolite | so when I submit my enrollment form, I would just see a link to where I can submit my proposal? |
| 00:10.40 | terri | megabitdragon: we had that problem with a few folks too. Apparently it is fixed if they log in and do "requests role: yes" or somesuch on their version of the connection form. |
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| 00:19.32 | mesb | Hello everyone, I am Brian. I am interested in gsoc2014 |
| 00:19.40 | umccullough | great! |
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| 00:20.50 | mesb | I find it hard to register |
| 00:21.41 | umccullough | you'll have to be more specific |
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| 00:22.50 | mesb | I am trying to submit my proof of enrollment for gsoc2014, but i can't find the forms link in my profile |
| 00:23.15 | umccullough | did you accidentally sign up as a mentor instead of a student? |
| 00:23.19 | olly | mesb: there's no form to download, you need to upload |
| 00:23.30 | mesb | omg, maybe that is what i did |
| 00:23.46 | umccullough | you might find more help in #melange |
| 00:23.59 | olly | !unmentor | mesb |
| 00:24.00 | gsocbot | mesb: "unmentor" is (#1) mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com and Cc: carols@google.com with your melange username (top of the page) and say you mistakenly registered as a mentor, or (#2) Or just register again with another GMail account |
| 00:24.01 | mesb | oh ok. Thanks |
| 00:24.04 | olly | if that's what happened |
| 00:24.18 | olly | #melange will likely just tell you the same |
| 00:24.25 | umccullough | if that's the problem, yes |
| 00:24.33 | mesb | ok, got it |
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| 01:26.30 | bravokeyl | hi there ! i don't have student profile , it's showing as a mentor |
| 01:26.40 | bravokeyl | .how to change that? |
| 01:26.55 | MisterA | !unmentor | bravokeyl |
| 01:26.56 | gsocbot | bravokeyl: "unmentor" is (#1) mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com and Cc: carols@google.com with your melange username (top of the page) and say you mistakenly registered as a mentor, or (#2) Or just register again with another GMail account |
| 01:27.20 | stqism | We should make a counter |
| 01:27.39 | MisterA | lol |
| 01:27.48 | meflin | stqism: not much point since we didn't throw down any bets :D |
| 01:28.03 | MisterA | it surely can't be that hard to click the right button |
| 01:28.09 | stqism | meflin: It isn't too late :) |
| 01:28.46 | meflin | I'm good |
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| 02:43.58 | downey | I wonder if there are or have been any GSoC students from the Institute of Tea Science. http://www.cab.zju.edu.cn/english/redir.php?catalog_id=18924 |
| 02:44.46 | meflin | students? no |
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| 02:45.33 | downey | meflin: you know this or a fact? :) |
| 02:45.44 | novochen1 | ... |
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| 02:45.53 | meflin | isn't obvious troll obvious in my case? |
| 02:46.25 | downey | Depends on who's doing the trolling. :-P |
| 02:46.59 | downey | I feel like it's been too long since a trolling session at mentorsummit |
| 02:47.36 | umccullough | this year, MDO will be in attendance |
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| 02:47.56 | downey | umccullough: with stickers i hope |
| 02:48.07 | umccullough | indeed, once we have a logo :P |
| 02:48.15 | umccullough | i think i have inkscape installed... |
| 02:48.25 | umccullough | nope... |
| 02:48.32 | umccullough | i'll need to do that :) |
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| 02:50.39 | Dokojel | Hi everyone |
| 02:50.40 | Dokojel | help |
| 02:50.53 | Dokojel | for the enrollment form |
| 02:51.35 | Dokojel | would an unoffical transcript be accepted? |
| 02:53.08 | downey | !proof | Dokojel |
| 02:53.09 | gsocbot | Dokojel: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
| 02:55.37 | Dokojel | I already read that and it didnt specify and i was just wondering becuase at the moment i only have an unoffical transcipt |
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| 02:57.15 | olly | Dokojel: see the paragraph starting "Rather than ask questions [...]" |
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| 02:59.50 | Dokojel | thanks most good answer all day |
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| 03:06.50 | thebolt | downey: the advanced trolling at the mentor summit a few years back must probably have been among the best ones there.. caue i also remember it very clearly :) |
| 03:07.09 | downey | thebolt: sadly i missed it for one reason or another, and then nothing since |
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| 03:28.05 | Niharika | Hello. I have uploaded a proof of enrollment but don´t see any Upload Proposal option. |
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| 03:30.32 | novochen1 | Niharika: goto homepage of melange |
| 03:30.41 | novochen1 | you should see Submit proposal |
| 03:30.56 | Niharika | Oh, okay. |
| 03:31.08 | Niharika | I was expecting it under My Dashboard. |
| 03:31.22 | Niharika | novochen1: Thanks! |
| 03:31.30 | novochen1 | Niharika: yw :) |
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| 03:45.22 | sachith500__ | hello, I have a quick question, just out of curiosity. If a student gets picked for 2 projects, does the org that doesn't get that student, have the oppurtunity to offer that slot to a different student? |
| 03:45.53 | olly | sachith500__: yes |
| 03:46.04 | sachith500__ | oh great |
| 03:46.07 | sachith500__ | thanks a lot :) |
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| 03:46.19 | olly | well, it's not really "offer it to a different student" - it's "pick another proposal to accept" |
| 03:46.47 | sachith500__ | yes that's what I meant ^^ |
| 03:47.09 | sachith500__ | thanks for the prompt reply |
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| 04:06.41 | yatharth01 | do we need to submit proof of enrollment before proposal or later on? |
| 04:07.03 | olly | before |
| 04:07.55 | sumanah | I hope http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment helps you yatharth01 |
| 04:11.12 | novochen1 | yatharth01, haven't you found out that there's no entrance for submitting proposal before you upload your PoE? |
| 04:11.25 | novochen1 | :) |
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| 04:14.52 | r4chi7 | hi guys :) do i have to submit my Proof of Enrollment before submitting my proposal? or that can be postponed till i get selected? |
| 04:15.02 | umccullough | yes |
| 04:15.06 | umccullough | you have to |
| 04:15.16 | r4chi7 | ok thanks :) |
| 04:15.35 | umccullough | always finds is interesting a group of the same questions come at once |
| 04:15.39 | umccullough | *it |
| 04:15.51 | umccullough | bah, i can't type coherent sentences |
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| 04:16.09 | r4chi7 | hehe ;) |
| 04:16.24 | thebolt | umccullough: better to not be able to type coherent sentences than not being able to think coherent thoughts |
| 04:19.12 | olly | wuh? |
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| 04:20.51 | olly | sighs - the comments on proposals seems to all run into one paragraph |
| 04:21.02 | olly | is it expecting HTML? |
| 04:21.06 | umccullough | can you use <p> tags? |
| 04:21.13 | umccullough | guesses yes |
| 04:21.19 | olly | I don't know without making a comment |
| 04:21.30 | olly | i guess I can make a private one |
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| 04:22.11 | olly | "test <p> is this <b>html</b>? " |
| 04:23.16 | novochen1 | I recommend commenting via gist |
| 04:23.26 | novochen1 | (joke |
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| 04:30.11 | olly | filed as http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=2107 |
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| 04:44.51 | yatharth01 | olly: it must be a scanned pdf noe?! |
| 04:45.19 | meflin | no you will be informed if you submission doesn't work |
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| 04:47.09 | olly | yatharth01: i don't know any more than is at the URL |
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| 04:49.28 | downey | !proof | yatharth01 |
| 04:49.30 | gsocbot | yatharth01: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
| 04:49.40 | downey | "Rather than ask questions on the mailing list about whether or not the document you have is acceptable as proof of enrollment, simply submit the document to Melange. If it is not what we need, we will request an alternate document from you." |
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| 04:52.14 | tonythomas | When is the deadline for Mentors to sign up in melange ? |
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| 04:53.07 | umccullough | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
| 04:53.13 | umccullough | says april 18th |
| 04:53.47 | tonythomas | umccullough: Yeah! missed that. Thanks |
| 04:54.27 | yatharth01 | downey: dint got you... |
| 04:55.08 | downey | yatharth01: The URL provided explains what is required and how it is handled. |
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| 04:56.26 | yatharth01 | i knw that..but the page only suggests that it should'nt be a .txt! So is scanned pdf acceptable?? |
| 04:56.44 | umccullough | none of us know for sure, but that seems reasonable |
| 04:56.50 | umccullough | if it's not acceptable, someone will contact you |
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| 04:57.01 | novochen1 | yatharth01, "Simply submit the document to Melange. If it is not what we need, we will request an alternate document from you." |
| 04:57.17 | yatharth01 | thnx everyone :) |
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| 05:01.23 | downey | i'm not sure we told you anything you didn't already read :) |
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| 05:31.06 | srichakradhar | do we have to submit "proof of enrollment" and proposals together? https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/dashboard/google/gsoc2014 |
| 05:31.33 | olly | proof first then proposals |
| 05:34.13 | srichakradhar | so, whatever that have been uploaded are going to stack up there? |
| 05:35.09 | srichakradhar | It is given that, "NOTE: If you have multiple documents to submit please put them all into a single zip file and upload that zip file." |
| 05:35.30 | srichakradhar | at the bottom of https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
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| 05:36.23 | olly | srichakradhar: that's documents as part of the proof of enrollment |
| 05:36.29 | olly | you don't upload proposals there |
| 05:37.08 | srichakradhar | okay. Can I have a link where to upload propsals, then? |
| 05:37.18 | olly | isn't a student so can't see it |
| 05:37.31 | olly | but I expect it's on the front page once you've submitted the proof |
| 05:38.03 | srichakradhar | thanks. I haven't submitted the proof still. I'll check that. |
| 05:38.42 | olly | there won't be a link until you've submitted your proof |
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| 09:13.27 | sinhayash | Hello all! |
| 09:13.56 | sinhayash | Is there a way I can record live video from camera using a web browser? |
| 09:14.32 | sinhayash | I need to figure it out for firefox, hence I need non webp implentations. |
| 09:14.59 | kblin | !gsoc | sinhayash |
| 09:14.59 | gsocbot | sinhayash: "gsoc" is Something that allows you to program for the summer in an open source project and win some cash and reputation, not Generic Savoir-faire on Open source Conundrums |
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| 09:15.38 | kblin | that said, there's a number of video chat applications that work in firefox, you might want to have a look at those |
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| 09:16.15 | sinhayash_ | I am trying this as a part of gsoc project, hence posted here. |
| 09:16.18 | sinhayash_ | Thanks. |
| 09:16.38 | olly | sinhayash_: the channel of your org would be more likely to get you useful answers |
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| 09:17.03 | kblin | I figured, but #gsoc is unlikely to be helpful for such specific questions |
| 09:17.33 | kblin | you might also look at the mozilla developer channels for firefox-related questions |
| 09:18.29 | sinhayash_ | Ok thanks olly kblin |
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| 09:28.25 | sinhayash_ | Any channels where I could ask this out? |
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| 09:57.06 | ashu__ | How many of you decided your projects already and given the proposal? |
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| 11:12.26 | srjdj | please someone help me inorder to use irc.....i am new to this |
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| 11:16.12 | panzone | srjdj: what do you want to know ? |
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| 11:17.45 | teepee_ | srjdj: welcome back :) |
| 11:18.42 | srjdj | teepee_: please help me inorder to use irc |
| 11:19.17 | teepee_ | srjdj: you seem to do just fine. what's your question? |
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| 11:20.45 | srjdj | teepee_: how to find mentors ? because on several places i have seen thy ask to connect with mentors before applying |
| 11:21.11 | teepee_ | srjdj: this depends on the organization |
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| 11:21.41 | teepee_ | that should be on the info page of the org. most have either an irc channel or a mailing list |
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| 11:22.40 | srjdj | teepee_: that means i have to log on to their channel similarly i logged on to gsoc and then ask my questions to them |
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| 11:23.55 | teepee_ | srjdj: yes, general question you can ask here, otherwise you can join another channel by typing "/join #channelname" (without the quotes, and the appropriate name for the org) |
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| 11:25.32 | srjdj | teepee_: thanks......i have one more questions |
| 11:26.03 | teepee_ | sure, just ask :) |
| 11:27.01 | srjdj | teepee_: can i apply to gsoc because i am not an expert in programming |
| 11:27.31 | olly | !amigoodenough | srjdj |
| 11:27.32 | gsocbot | srjdj: "amigoodenough" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/ |
| 11:27.43 | panzone | srjdj: that isn' t a big problem |
| 11:27.57 | teepee_ | srjdj: of cause, just don't pick a project which is marked as "very complicated" :) |
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| 11:28.58 | srjdj | then what kind of projects should i apply for |
| 11:29.13 | teepee_ | that's totally up to you |
| 11:29.22 | teepee_ | you have 190 orgs to choose from |
| 11:29.23 | olly | play to your strengths |
| 11:29.41 | olly | look for projects in the languages and other technologies you know best |
| 11:29.56 | olly | and consider your non-computer skills and interests which may be relevant |
| 11:30.13 | Ivanovic | and make sure to select something which interests you! |
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| 11:30.51 | srjdj | what if fortunately i got selected for some project but i could not complete it |
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| 11:31.15 | ajitkr1994 | are you selected for some project ? |
| 11:31.37 | KolibriOS|yogev | srjdj: Then you will just get "fail" grade and won't get all the money but only part of the money. |
| 11:31.38 | Ivanovic | srjdj: you should have some idea what you are getting into before you propose the project |
| 11:31.38 | ajitkr1994 | nothing will happen.. you can continue the same next year. |
| 11:31.47 | Ivanovic | meaning: you should get in contact with the org and talk to them |
| 11:31.56 | Ivanovic | look at their codebase, get an idea of things |
| 11:32.08 | Ivanovic | you will most likely not be accepted just by saying "i want to do that" |
| 11:32.27 | Ivanovic | you first need to show some real interest and the ability to get into things later on |
| 11:32.34 | ajitkr1994 | what needs to be done then ? |
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| 11:32.56 | ajitkr1994 | we have to fix bugs and get involved with their codebase. |
| 11:33.33 | srjdj | teepee_: they say you should have an idea ? what kind of idea is required to get selected |
| 11:34.10 | olly | you need to have made a convincing case that you can do the project you are proposing |
| 11:34.14 | teepee_ | srjdj: there's a students guide which should explain this |
| 11:34.15 | KolibriOS|yogev | srjdj: Either select an idea from their ideas page or propose your own idea |
| 11:34.30 | teepee_ | what's the link? |
| 11:34.32 | teepee_ | !guide |
| 11:34.53 | olly | see where gsocbot gave it above |
| 11:35.17 | Ivanovic | and even if you select a proposed idea from the org, you most likely have to come up with some work of your own |
| 11:35.40 | Ivanovic | like details in the proposal, showing understanding of the task by providing some timeline, ... |
| 11:36.09 | teepee_ | right, srjdj browse through http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ that should give you a good idea what the expectations are |
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| 11:36.54 | srjdj | i have to work in a team or alone? |
| 11:37.09 | Ivanovic | the project is your project to be done |
| 11:37.20 | Ivanovic | still you are working as part of the community around the open source project |
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| 11:38.41 | srjdj | while applying i have to suggest that how i planned for the project |
| 11:38.54 | Ivanovic | yes |
| 11:39.21 | Ivanovic | to get an idea how a project proposal *can* look like (this was a really great one!): http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SummerOfCodeProposal_AI_Improvement_Crab |
| 11:39.45 | Ivanovic | it shows understanding of the underlying codebase, it shows a timeline and milestones |
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| 11:40.30 | orriols | Ivanovic: isn't this a little exagerated? |
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| 11:40.51 | Ivanovic | orriols: hey, it was a great project from a great student who got accepted and the year afterwards became mentor |
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| 11:41.27 | srjdj | that means i have to start working on project before applying for it |
| 11:41.44 | olly | you need to have done some research at least |
| 11:41.49 | orriols | Ivanovic: It is indeed an awesome project planning, but I don't really thought about this for a propposal |
| 11:41.56 | KolibriOS|yogev | srjdj: Not necessary, but you have to study the project at least. |
| 11:42.03 | olly | how could you propose to do something you don't know anything about at all? |
| 11:42.14 | KolibriOS|yogev | srjdj: To see if you think you are able to do it at all. |
| 11:42.29 | Ivanovic | orriols: you are right, this one is planned very well and very detailed |
| 11:42.30 | orriols | Ivanovic: but glad to know it, don't get me wrong |
| 11:42.39 | Ivanovic | most proposals will not reach a level like this |
| 11:42.49 | Ivanovic | most *accepted* proposals that is! |
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| 11:42.56 | Ivanovic | still it shows a best case |
| 11:43.08 | orriols | important to know how far a propposal could reach |
| 11:43.18 | Ivanovic | basically the following things are important about a proposal (IMO): |
| 11:43.36 | Ivanovic | 1) own flavor of the proposed idea (not just copy&paste of the org proposal!) |
| 11:43.36 | srjdj | before 21st i have to choose a project and then apply for it |
| 11:43.38 | Ivanovic | 2) timeline |
| 11:44.11 | Ivanovic | 3) milestones and deliverables (including some minimum and optimum values for problems you are likely to encounter to ease downscoping midterm) |
| 11:44.19 | olly | if anything, the timeline's a bit weak in that proposal |
| 11:44.26 | Ivanovic | 4) mentioning when you expect to be out |
| 11:44.27 | olly | there's a 3 month chunk in it |
| 11:44.31 | Ivanovic | (exams and the likes) |
| 11:44.51 | Ivanovic | 5) show that you understand the org and can get into their codebase |
| 11:45.00 | Ivanovic | (patches are great for this part!) |
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| 11:45.13 | srjdj | Ivanovic: what is codebase |
| 11:45.24 | Ivanovic | olly: if i now say that we told him to scale the project down and he had "problems" doing so? |
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| 11:45.41 | Ivanovic | and that he was basically done with the proposed project including the stretch goals by midterm? |
| 11:45.56 | Ivanovic | srjdj: the existing sourcecode of the org you work for |
| 11:46.10 | Ivanovic | srjdj: you will not start from complete zero, you need to integrate at some place |
| 11:46.59 | srjdj | Ivanovic: from where I will get source code |
| 11:47.11 | Ivanovic | talk to the org, they will tell you |
| 11:47.23 | Ivanovic | oh, right, i forgot one point: |
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| 11:47.36 | Ivanovic | 6) communication with the org (can you communicate with them and collaborate) |
| 11:47.47 | srjdj | Ivanovic: and how to talk to the org? |
| 11:48.04 | Ivanovic | [12:23:55] <teepee_> srjdj: yes, general question you can ask here, otherwise you can join another channel by typing "/join #channelname" (without the quotes, and the appropriate name for the org) |
| 11:48.07 | orriols | srjdj: IRC mostly |
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| 11:48.24 | Ivanovic | the ways of contacting them will be shown on the org pages in melange |
| 11:48.27 | KolibriOS|yogev | srjdj: Go to the org GSoC page, each org have listed their acceptable communication methods. |
| 11:48.28 | Ivanovic | usually in the right area |
| 11:48.57 | olly | Ivanovic: well, i could argue that makes my point - he didn't break the task down enough to understand how long it would really take! |
| 11:49.43 | KolibriOS|yogev | srjdj: For example, Melange: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2014/melange - you can contact them via mailing list and via IRC |
| 11:49.50 | Ivanovic | olly: still he made sure that we trusted in his abilities to get the project done |
| 11:49.59 | Ivanovic | which is the main job of the proposal |
| 11:50.12 | olly | yeah |
| 11:51.14 | srjdj | all these things what you all have told me should be done before 21st march |
| 11:51.35 | Ivanovic | srjdj: at least some of them |
| 11:51.46 | Ivanovic | srjdj: you can still improve the proposal by working with the org some days afterwards |
| 11:51.50 | olly | the proposal needs to be submitted by then |
| 11:51.54 | Ivanovic | but eventually the orgs need to decide on the students |
| 11:52.14 | Ivanovic | what you need to do until the 21st is to submit something into google-melange |
| 11:52.21 | Ivanovic | if you don't manage that: no way to get accepted |
| 11:52.31 | Ivanovic | do orgs expect the first try to be perfect: unlikely! |
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| 11:53.55 | srjdj | Ivanovic,olly,teepee_,KolibriOSS|yogev : thanks for helping me out.........i am looking forward to again contact you the time i will log on to this channel..........once again a big THANKS |
| 11:54.54 | olly | are other orgs getting notification emails for student comments on proposals? |
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| 12:54.05 | tbarat | Hi |
| 12:54.15 | pbanaszkiewicz | sinhayash: I got webrtc working in firefox nightly, somehow it doesn't work in v27 |
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| 12:54.32 | tbarat | can anyone help me, that why disconnected the clients every 0:32 seconds |
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| 12:54.43 | tbarat | jitsi |
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| 12:55.14 | KolibriOS|yogev | tbarat: What are you talking about? |
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| 12:56.32 | tbarat | is this jitsi community? |
| 12:57.07 | tbarat | KolibriOS|yogev: ? |
| 12:57.30 | KolibriOS|yogev | tbarat: No, this is general GSoC-related channel |
| 12:57.47 | KolibriOS|yogev | tbarat: Here people ask questions like "Why I am unable to register?" |
| 12:57.59 | KolibriOS|yogev | or "What is enrollment form?" |
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| 12:58.21 | KolibriOS|yogev | tbarat: If you have organization-specific question, you need to ask this organization. |
| 12:58.52 | tbarat | KolibriOS|yogev: I found a bug in the software |
| 12:59.31 | KolibriOS|yogev | tbarat: If you have organization-specific question, you need to ask this organization (on THEIR IRC channel, not here). |
| 13:00.09 | tbarat | KolibriOS|yogev: is the bug an orgarnization specific? |
| 13:00.41 | KolibriOS|yogev | tbarat: Is jitsi an organization you want to work on for GSoC? |
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| 13:01.11 | tbarat | I found gsoc in the jitsi website |
| 13:01.15 | KolibriOS|yogev | tbarat: Then you need to talk with this organization, not on this channel |
| 13:01.23 | KolibriOS|yogev | tbarat: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2014/jitsi |
| 13:01.30 | tbarat | ok, thanx |
| 13:01.47 | KolibriOS|yogev | tbarat: Look at the bottom right corner where it says "Contact" |
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| 13:01.59 | KolibriOS|yogev | tbarat: There you have contact details for jitsi |
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| 13:17.26 | srichakradhar | I've uploaded the proof of enrollment. Should I wait for any confirmation? |
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| 13:17.50 | srichakradhar | or, shall I go on and upload my proposal.. |
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| 13:18.23 | KolibriOS|yogev | !proof |
| 13:18.25 | gsocbot | KolibriOS|yogev: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
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| 13:19.08 | KolibriOS|yogev | srichakradhar: If it's not good, they will let you know. If it's good, they won't say anything. |
| 13:19.18 | KolibriOS|yogev | srichakradhar: So just go and proceed with the application. |
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| 13:19.24 | KolibriOS|yogev | (proposal) |
| 13:19.42 | srichakradhar | thankyou! |
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| 13:32.37 | srichakradhar | what details are supposed to be include in a proposal description, if I plan to take up one of the tasks mentioned in the tasks page? |
| 13:33.04 | sumanah | srichakradhar: have you checked out the template of the org you are applying to? |
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| 13:33.07 | srichakradhar | Do I have to rewrite the task description? |
| 13:33.19 | sumanah | For example, here's a proposal we accepted a few years ago |
| 13:33.20 | sumanah | https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Jarry1250/GSoC_2012_application |
| 13:33.38 | sumanah | and here is our template: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Application_template |
| 13:34.21 | srichakradhar | yeah. They didn't mention, not to copy-paste the task description. But, I think, we are not supposed to reproduce the same thing again. Am I correct? |
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| 13:35.05 | rnat | Can someone give me tips on writing an effective application? is it necessary to outline the whole implementation process in it |
| 13:35.20 | rnat | what about submitting few lines of source code |
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| 13:35.57 | sumanah | both srichakradhar and rnat - read this http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch008_writing-a-proposal/ |
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| 13:37.36 | rnat | sumanah: thanks |
| 13:37.49 | sumanah | cool. That whole manual is worth reading, rnat & srichakradhar |
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| 13:38.23 | srichakradhar | thank you! |
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| 13:40.11 | srichakradhar | but, they didn't say about how to make proposals with existing "tasks"... |
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| 13:41.11 | sumanah | srichakradhar: could you be more specific? Do you mean the authors of the manual don't go into that, or your organisation's guidelines don't talk about it? |
| 13:41.36 | srichakradhar | both of then1 |
| 13:41.40 | srichakradhar | *them! |
| 13:41.47 | kblin | while I of course can't speak for the other organisations, what I like to see from students is a project proposal where they outline what they want to work on over the summer |
| 13:41.56 | kblin | as detailed as possible |
| 13:42.30 | sumanah | srichakradhar: OK. So, I think one reason you are misunderstanding is that you think the organization wants different KINDS of proposals depending on whether you've come up with your own seed idea or whether you are using a seed idea ("task") that they thought of. Is that what you think? |
| 13:42.36 | kblin | and by "as detailed as possible", I don't mean "make something up if you lack the data" |
| 13:43.31 | srichakradhar | thank you, I'll try to do my best! |
| 13:43.41 | sumanah | srichakradhar: no seriously, please answer my question |
| 13:44.21 | rnat | kblin: What makes an application weak and purely a dustbin material |
| 13:45.13 | sumanah | rnat: I have seen applications that were about 20 words long. Those were dustbin material |
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| 13:45.28 | kblin | rnat: if you just cut&paste from our proposal page, I'll dump the proposal without reading further |
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| 13:45.59 | kblin | but also if it's a great proposal, I ask a follow-up question and don't get a reply |
| 13:46.17 | sumanah | Yeah, the student's responsiveness is important |
| 13:46.25 | sumanah | we aren't just accepting a proposal, we're accepting a student |
| 13:46.48 | sumanah | does the student ask productive questions and then learn from the answers? that's a very good sign |
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| 13:47.58 | rnat | thanks sumanah and kblin |
| 13:48.00 | kblin | for me, the thing I need to figure out most during the application period is if the student is responsive and can communicate |
| 13:48.06 | KolibriOS|yogev | kblin: If a student manages to cut&paste from our ideas page, I will accept him any time :-) |
| 13:48.38 | sumanah | women too? |
| 13:48.55 | KolibriOS|yogev | sumanah: her too, of course. |
| 13:49.03 | sumanah | ok |
| 13:49.07 | KolibriOS|yogev | I think you didn't understand my joke |
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| 13:50.24 | sumanah | KolibriOS|yogev: I ignored your joke to check whether you were aware of your gendered language. :) |
| 13:50.41 | kblin | KolibriOS|yogev: if by "accept" you mean ignore, sure :) |
| 13:51.10 | sumanah | I'm guessing their org has interesting anti-c/p protection on their ideas page |
| 13:51.32 | sumanah | rnat: did you look at the example I mentioned? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Jarry1250/GSoC_2012_application ? |
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| 13:51.52 | sumanah | that was a 2012 application we accepted. I think it's pretty good. |
| 13:52.14 | kblin | well, even then I can produce a verbatim copy, proving that while I might not be lazy, I'm not a terribly good candidate either |
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| 13:52.33 | sumanah | rnat: So, a really BAD application is maybe only 100 words long, lots of misspellings, copypasted from the ideas page, and so on. |
| 13:52.34 | rnat | sumanah: yes both the links were informative .. you rock |
| 13:52.39 | sumanah | thank you! |
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| 13:57.17 | KolibriOS|yogev | sumanah: kblin: Yes I literally meant if some student manages to cut the idea from our ideas page, we will accept him (or rather, give him a positive feedback to apply to Wikimedia) |
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| 13:57.22 | rnat | would it be cheap to ask a mentor for letter of recommendation for applying to a university |
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| 13:58.19 | rnat | i dont mind not getting paid but a LOR is very much needed by me |
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| 13:59.20 | kblin | I would ask about that _after_ the summer :) |
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| 14:00.29 | rnat | oh sorry i meant would it be great to lit him/her know that please assess me from day 1 |
| 14:00.37 | rnat | let* |
| 14:01.26 | kblin | I mean I'm happy to provide a reference letter for all the students I've had, but for the ones I had to drop, it wouldn't be much of a recommendation |
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| 14:04.02 | KolibriOS|yogev | sumanah: And regarding gendered language, last year I wanted to offer our org for OPW program and Marina refused us, which considering in OPW the ORG pays for the student, not Google/Gnome, was really embarassing, even more embarassing than me saying "him" in my sentense. |
| 14:04.12 | KolibriOS|yogev | <rant mode off> |
| 14:04.27 | sumanah | Maybe try again in the future. |
| 14:04.33 | sumanah | rnat: I think I understand what you mean - basically, ask the mentor early in the internship, "at the end of this internship I would love it if you could write me a letter of rec for university" |
| 14:04.53 | sumanah | rnat: "so it would be great if you could use the notes from the midterm/final evaluations for that as well" |
| 14:06.02 | sumanah | rnat: I know that when I have mentored students, I have written notes in the mid-term and final evaluations that I could have repurposed for a letter of recommendation if I knew the student wanted one. Does that make sense? |
| 14:06.13 | kblin | KolibriOS|yogev: I'm not entirely sure how this is related, btw |
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| 14:07.00 | sumanah | rnat: you asked "would it be cheap"? ordinarily - in the USA at least, which is where I live - people don't get paid for writing letters of recommendation, so it would not be "cheap" of you to ask. Maybe I misunderstand you? |
| 14:07.32 | KolibriOS|yogev | kblin: It's a bit off-topic and a bit hard to explain, but: the women want to be treated equal but they don't always treat others equal. That was my point. |
| 14:09.01 | rnat | sumanah: yes got it , thanks . i am from a third world country , so gsoc is the only opportunity to get exposed to real life problems |
| 14:09.08 | sumanah | KolibriOS|yogev: Yup, this is off-topic. Also, I think it's fine for any GSoC or OPW-like program to have criteria for admitting organizations. Not sure why you think OPW-like programs should have to admit any org that asks to be a part of it. |
| 14:09.15 | sumanah | (a part of them) |
| 14:09.25 | kblin | ooh, I've got a good illustration for my reply to that... |
| 14:09.30 | sumanah | rnat: it's ok - your "real life" is different from my "real life" in many ways |
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| 14:10.30 | sumanah | rnat: It sounds like in your area it is traditional to pay people for these kinds of letters? |
| 14:10.45 | kblin | http://www.twisteddoodles.com/post/78961093674/happy-international-womens-day |
| 14:11.11 | kblin | I think that sums up what I wanted to reply. :) |
| 14:11.54 | sumanah | rnat: my parents are from India. In Indian culture as I'm used to it, little tiny gifts are quite common - even just a small bag of fruit for instance - in return for favors. |
| 14:12.08 | rnat | noo noo its a mess , ridiculous education system consisting of memorizing bulk of text ,.. and i am not so great with it .. so it implies not being an apple of my instructors eyes |
| 14:12.36 | downey | rnat: I think you'll find GSoC is nothing like the "traditional" education systems in most parts of the world. :-) |
| 14:13.01 | sumanah | rnat: oh that's too bad. :( Different people have different learning styles and no standardized educational system can cater to all of them, but it sounds like yours is especially restrictive. You may enjoy reading http://blog.melchua.com/2013/06/19/hacker-school-session-engineering-learning-styles/ to help you learn more about how you learn |
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| 14:15.13 | sumanah | I'm personally a lot better at memorizing things if I can understand how all the parts of a system interact with each other. An alphabetized list of the parts of a cell? No. A diagram or a sort of tree? I'm great |
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| 14:16.27 | rnat | after watching video lectures from stanford mit ucberkely i realised i have been cheated by being made to learn substandard material |
| 14:16.56 | rnat | so on par with any average student from developed countries ,my chances are zero |
| 14:17.40 | sumanah | !odds | rnat |
| 14:17.41 | gsocbot | rnat: "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
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| 14:18.16 | sumanah | rnat: just by being here and trying and showing your initiative I think you have shown you have MORE chances than some people from developed countries who never really put any energy into applying |
| 14:18.34 | rnat | absolutely will give my best with watever i have inside my cranium |
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| 14:18.48 | sumanah | :) |
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| 14:19.17 | assem_ | Hello, I wanna log melange as student, but I got a mentor account |
| 14:19.24 | assem_ | what should I do? |
| 14:19.24 | sumanah | !unmentor | assem_ |
| 14:19.24 | gsocbot | assem_: "unmentor" is (#1) mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com and Cc: carols@google.com with your melange username (top of the page) and say you mistakenly registered as a mentor, or (#2) Or just register again with another GMail account |
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| 14:20.58 | sumanah | rnat: a lot of students have done GSoC from developing countries. We try to "level the playing field" with resources like http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
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| 14:25.00 | rnat | yes i heard about this program when i was pondering over how to get into opensource projects and start contributing to it |
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| 14:25.48 | sumanah | rnat: cool. :) It is COMPLETELY FINE to contribute to open source WITHOUT GSoC but many people find it easier to start with a mentor and with the stipend (payment) |
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| 14:26.59 | sumanah | rnat: by the way, do you know what the scientific method is? |
| 14:27.09 | panzone | rnat: i don' t know if this could be helpful, but i' m from italy, a developed country. 95% of the computer science students i have met have skills worse than some mine indian friends. i don' t think country is really important in this kind of stuff |
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| 14:27.57 | sumanah | panzone: I met an Italian guy at Hacker School when I did HS in 2013 and he had a similar lament - that his peers didn't know how to find things out for themselves, they just took whatever the professor gave them |
| 14:28.13 | panzone | sumanah: i can agree |
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| 14:28.31 | panzone | unfortunately |
| 14:28.42 | sumanah | rnat: panzone: if you want, you can organise open source events in your communities, on campus http://campus.openhatch.org/ - there are resources to help you |
| 14:29.23 | sumanah | rnat: the reason I ask is just that, in another channel, I'm helping someone learn how to debug something and add a small new feature, and he is a college student in India and hadn't heard of it. I wonder whether it wasn't in his coursework |
| 14:29.55 | rnat | sumanah: i would definitely pass it to my juniors |
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| 14:30.24 | sumanah | Please do! http://campus.openhatch.org/ has scripts for how you can train yourself and others, hold useful events, and so on |
| 14:31.14 | sumanah | you can also hold information sessions at your college for GSoC -- there are pre-made slide decks you can use http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/ProgramPresentations and leaflets to advertise with https://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/GsocFlyers |
| 14:32.30 | rnat | even courses at top tier universities are substandard , slave labour camps manufacturing slaves for IT industry in india |
| 14:32.43 | panzone | sumanah: we have already some events here in university but the people aren' t really interest when you don' t get an evaluation. we are... lazy ? |
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| 14:32.56 | darnir | sumanah: Debugging tools are often actively discouraged in Indian universities. You are 1. Expected to write correct code. 2. Debug manually. At best, you can keep printing values for debug purposes |
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| 14:33.21 | stqism | darnir: What is that shit? |
| 14:33.32 | sumanah | panzone: In every population there is 5% or 10% who have not had curiosity stamped out of them. These events help reach that 10% |
| 14:33.33 | darnir | Welcome to Indian Universities. |
| 14:33.50 | panzone | darnir: uh, why ? here we just don ' t learn the existence of a debugger, ok, but for a reason |
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| 14:34.12 | darnir | I remember being *caught* during a programming session using gdb. |
| 14:34.18 | sumanah | WHAT |
| 14:34.20 | sumanah | omg |
| 14:34.27 | stqism | I'm laughing, fuck |
| 14:34.29 | rnat | well well i wasnt amused to see turbo C compiler still used in many univesities over here |
| 14:34.31 | rnat | :D |
| 14:34.45 | darnir | And what rnat said. Not in my university |
| 14:34.57 | darnir | But I have friends who use TurboC. And that's horrible. |
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| 14:35.23 | stqism | rnat: You're not living unless you're using watcom on DOS |
| 14:35.32 | darnir | I'm surprised we learn how to write decent code, despite our universities trying to screw us over |
| 14:35.39 | panzone | our programming classes aren' t complex and the teachers don' t spend time on it. |
| 14:35.52 | rnat | i started educating myself switched over to debian around two years ago |
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| 14:36.04 | rnat | i am using clang or gcc |
| 14:36.19 | darnir | Clang. I really like the error outputs. |
| 14:36.23 | stqism | ^ |
| 14:36.24 | panzone | at least you learn some c. |
| 14:36.28 | Kurus22 | submiting proporsal early is good?? |
| 14:36.33 | rnat | AST Rocks!!! |
| 14:36.33 | darnir | Kurus22: Always |
| 14:36.44 | sumanah | http://mikipedian.blogspot.in/2013/03/on-11th-march.html someone I know ran an opensource session - a Wikipedia event - at her Indian college and specifically said "no one will be getting a certificate" to make sure those kinds of folks didn't show up |
| 14:36.46 | panzone | ( and i quote about clang error output ) |
| 14:36.49 | umccullough | Kurus22, it can give mentors a chance to provide feedback before the deadline |
| 14:36.58 | sumanah | Kurus22: yes, it's very good |
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| 14:38.01 | panzone | kurus22: i submitted mine on the 11 and i receive some useful correction by the project, so i think it could be good xD |
| 14:38.39 | Kurus22 | are their ary guides to built a good proposals?? |
| 14:38.41 | sumanah | yes |
| 14:38.47 | sumanah | Kurus22: http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch008_writing-a-proposal/ |
| 14:38.59 | sumanah | Kurus22: that entire manual, not just the page I point to, is great. You should read it. |
| 14:39.01 | Kurus22 | sumanah: thanks |
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| 14:39.48 | sumanah | Kurus22: You could also look at your organization's past participants to find proposals they accepted in previous years, if they have participated in GSoC in 2013 or before. In 2012, my org accepted this proposal: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Jarry1250/GSoC_2012_application |
| 14:39.55 | darnir | To quote Shashi Tharoor, " India is, in the context of its history and cultural heritage, a highly developed one in an advanced state of decay". This also holds true for our education system. |
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| 14:40.36 | Turl | hi guys |
| 14:40.38 | darnir | You know it's screwed when students are expects to write programs in C89, note, C89; C99 not allowed, on paper without a single error. |
| 14:40.46 | sumanah | Hi Turl |
| 14:40.46 | darnir | Hello Turl |
| 14:40.56 | sumanah | Turl: how is your open source journey going today? |
| 14:41.04 | Turl | I'm submitting my proof of enrollment for GSoC |
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| 14:41.26 | kblin | hey carol |
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| 14:41.40 | stqism | Hey look, tea time. |
| 14:41.41 | Turl | but it's in spanish; can I translate it myself or do you require an official translator or such? |
| 14:42.08 | KolibriOS|yogev | !proof | Turl |
| 14:42.09 | gsocbot | Turl: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
| 14:42.13 | carols | hi kblin |
| 14:42.35 | KolibriOS|yogev | Turl: You can translate it yourself (as stated in the link I gave) and attach in .TXT file |
| 14:42.36 | kblin | Turl: I think that's a question covered in the document you just got linked |
| 14:43.15 | Turl | kblin: I suppose I can just submit it and see if it sticks :) |
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| 14:43.33 | mancoolgunda | carols: hi |
| 14:43.35 | carols | brlcad: you around? |
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| 14:43.36 | carols | mancoolgunda: hi |
| 14:43.37 | Turl | just wondering though, because often people require legalized translations when it's official documents and the like |
| 14:43.53 | KolibriOS|yogev | Turl: No, you do have to translate it. But can do it yourself as I said above. |
| 14:44.07 | kblin | Turl: but in this case, google states the rules pretty clearly |
| 14:44.08 | carols | Turl: instead of worrying about it in here, just submit it, and you'll be contacted if it's not what we need. |
| 14:44.31 | Turl | ok then, thanks guys :) |
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| 14:45.15 | mancoolgunda | carols: I am in my final year and my college ID card specifies 2014 as the graduation date. I would be enrolled till June 2014. So would it be sufficient if I get a note signed by my Head of Department which says that I would be enrolled till June,2014? |
| 14:45.36 | carols | did you read the whole proof of enrollment instructions? |
| 14:45.38 | downey | carols: FWIW, I looked at our numbers, and we're slightly ahead of last year's pace on proposal submissions. :-) |
| 14:45.46 | carols | downey: great. :-) |
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| 14:46.24 | sumanah | cool! |
| 14:46.45 | kblin | sheesh, why are people throwing beer bottles at my poor laptop :/ |
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| 14:47.20 | stqism | kblin: Don't know about you, but mine would take about one before refusing to be a laptop. |
| 14:47.30 | downey | kblin: Because you're in the middle of a bar brawl? |
| 14:47.54 | panzone | carols: i have the same problem. i submitted a document that proofs that i' m registered in the 2013/2014 A.A. and my department don' t release letters with a more precise date since 2013/2014 include the 21 april 2014. |
| 14:47.55 | sumanah | is curious to hear the answer as well! |
| 14:48.06 | carols | panzone: what's the problem? |
| 14:48.19 | kblin | I'm in the middle of a train |
| 14:48.19 | kblin | a rather full train, but still |
| 14:48.42 | panzone | i don' t know if the 2013/2014 AA part is sufficent |
| 14:49.04 | carols | panzone: you submitted the form, yes? |
| 14:49.07 | panzone | yes |
| 14:49.16 | carols | and you submitted your proposal? |
| 14:49.21 | panzone | yes |
| 14:49.31 | kblin | fortunately the bottle was still closed, and it just fell onto the keyboard |
| 14:49.31 | carols | and you haven't been contact by my team telling you we need another form? |
| 14:49.41 | panzone | at the moment no |
| 14:49.50 | carols | then i'm failing to see the problem :-) |
| 14:50.06 | panzone | you have a point |
| 14:50.13 | carols | cheers |
| 14:50.24 | Turl | carols: we students worry too much at times :) |
| 14:50.31 | panzone | ^ |
| 14:50.32 | kblin | is pretty sure carols has _all_ the points |
| 14:50.36 | stqism | kblin: That's a bit of a relief, laptops can't really handle alcohol well. Something about water damage |
| 14:50.37 | carols | thanks kblin |
| 14:50.48 | downey | Turl: Have some tea. |
| 14:51.05 | Turl | carols: it would be awesome to have some "Your documents are alright!" message on the profile once it's been checked (if it's not already there) |
| 14:51.15 | carols | Turl: submit a feature request |
| 14:51.22 | carols | i'm not a developer :-) |
| 14:51.35 | carols | i couldn't make that happen even if i wanted to |
| 14:51.37 | carols | better yet |
| 14:51.39 | carols | submit a patch |
| 14:51.45 | kblin | stqism: I do have some holes designed to shed liquids on the bottom of my system |
| 14:51.58 | CFS-MP3 | carols is number of proposals an important factor in number of slots? |
| 14:51.58 | stqism | #melange might be able to help with that patch |
| 14:52.12 | carols | CFS-MP3: important factor? no |
| 14:52.17 | carols | CFS-MP3: a factor? sure |
| 14:52.19 | stqism | kblin: I wish my phone had those magical holes. |
| 14:52.19 | CFS-MP3 | I mean, we've been contacted by a number of people that we've directly told them they're such not a good fit for us |
| 14:52.30 | CFS-MP3 | so they can focus on other projects rather than ours |
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| 14:52.58 | CFS-MP3 | I mean, it seems like we are going to have 6-7 high quality proposals and 0 garbage |
| 14:53.12 | carols | CFS-MP3: that's great. you should do that not because of the number of slots you *think* you'll get but because it's appropriate for your organization |
| 14:53.17 | stqism | CFS-MP3: Gosh, give people the benefit of the doubt :) |
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| 14:53.34 | CFS-MP3 | stqism We do. But some times you just know it's not going to go well |
| 14:54.23 | stqism | CFS-MP3: I know that feeling, had a student argue with me about some things about the project that were incorrect. Knew that wasn't going to work out |
| 14:54.46 | CFS-MP3 | also, we have the issue of country. Because our project relates to TV the location of the student is important, as we are likely to need him to do testing with its local TV stations. So not all countries are a good match... for this specific project, that's all. |
| 14:54.54 | kblin | not sure I want to test how well they perform right now, though |
| 14:54.55 | CFS-MP3 | So we're quite straightforward there |
| 14:54.55 | sumanah | oh wow! |
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| 14:55.27 | stqism | kblin: Better to be safe than sorry |
| 14:55.55 | stqism | CFS-MP3: Oddly enough the locations have been helping us test things like calls on low bandwidth lines |
| 14:56.02 | stqism | Whole other situation |
| 14:56.37 | CFS-MP3 | also we have a small video sample that our program cannot process well. We uploaded it to our GSOC page as a way to have students dig into the code, the stream, and well... see what they can come up with. There's a huge difference between users that find a solution and those who speculate about what the problem could be and ask us if they're in the right track |
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| 14:57.48 | CFS-MP3 | anyway we are considering the student's time until May 21st as extremely valuable so if we think we are not going to accept someone for any reason (fair or not) we let them know... so well, we're getting a low number of proposals |
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| 14:58.11 | CFS-MP3 | hopefully that won't come to bite us |
| 14:58.22 | stqism | CFS-MP3: That's actually a great idea, I've been usually giving interested students a task or something, but our Android and iOS people have been working with students quite a lot. It's like GSoC, before it's started. |
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| 14:58.53 | brlcad | carols: i am now (around) |
| 14:59.13 | stqism | CFS-MP3: Almost touching to see our iOS mentor form his own channel with 3 students and go through implementing a feature |
| 14:59.14 | carols | brlcad: are you on our discussion list? |
| 14:59.27 | brlcad | which one? |
| 14:59.30 | brlcad | probably |
| 14:59.49 | carols | brlcad: gsoc discuss |
| 14:59.54 | brlcad | ah, I just see it now |
| 14:59.59 | carols | great |
| 15:00.00 | carols | thanks |
| 15:00.03 | stqism | carols: That reminds me, I've gotten none of the emails, though I did get the added the the mentors list email |
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| 15:00.18 | brlcad | odd, they're not in our irc channel ... heh |
| 15:00.24 | stqism | carols: Had one of our mentors make a comment on an email, odd |
| 15:00.29 | carols | stqism: you may want to check and make sure your google groups settings are for delivering email and not "no email" |
| 15:00.38 | _dstorm | Hi, is there any way to submit proposal before uploading Enrollment proof? coz my institute dean is in abroad and administrative department is not providing me the document. I will get the document before deadline that's for sure. |
| 15:00.40 | stqism | Yeah, I'll do that |
| 15:00.47 | carols | _dstorm: no, there is no way. |
| 15:01.33 | carols | _dstorm: it's very important we have your proof of enrollment because otherwise how do we know you can participate in gsoc? :-) |
| 15:01.34 | downey | _dstorm: Perhaps that person has a "backup" to handle tasks while away? |
| 15:03.06 | _dstorm | downey: that backup person is saying that he want to consult him :/ |
| 15:03.26 | Ivanovic | _dstorm: you could upload e.g. a copy of your student card and then upload the "real" thing once you got it |
| 15:03.29 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 15:03.53 | Ivanovic | that is something which locals stores accept as proof that you are a student |
| 15:04.13 | _dstorm | Ivanovic: will that not create any problem in future? |
| 15:04.16 | sumanah | also, _dstorm I presume you are also informally sharing your proposal with your open source organisation's mailing list, your mentor, etc. right? on a wiki page or something? |
| 15:04.20 | Ivanovic | if this is not enough, google folks will ask you for more and you can provide the "real" thing from the dean |
| 15:04.27 | umccullough | _dstorm, it will just require you to obtain better proof later |
| 15:04.36 | umccullough | if it's a problem |
| 15:05.01 | _dstorm | ok.. thanks everyone.. |
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| 15:14.22 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
| 15:15.02 | downey | could use a tea I.V. today ... one of those days :) |
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| 15:36.37 | VaticanCameos | https://github.com/sunpy/sunpy/wiki/GSoC-2014-Pritish-Chakraborty open to suggestions |
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| 15:37.24 | carols | VaticanCameos: is that for your mentoring org? |
| 15:37.43 | VaticanCameos | carols: It's my proposal as a student for SunPy |
| 15:37.54 | VaticanCameos | Any and all suggestions will be much appreciated! |
| 15:37.59 | carols | VaticanCameos: great, then you should ask SunPy for suggestions |
| 15:38.08 | carols | i know it doesn't seem like a big deal when just you do it |
| 15:38.16 | carols | but there's 4,000 students registered |
| 15:38.26 | carols | and if every student came into this channel and did that.. |
| 15:38.30 | carols | i'm sure you see the problem |
| 15:38.37 | VaticanCameos | carols: I've taken one's suggestions but I see your point |
| 15:38.47 | carols | this is why we ask the mentoring orgs to help the students in their own channels |
| 15:38.50 | carols | thanks very much :-) |
| 15:39.26 | VaticanCameos | They're very helpful people, I just thought I could get some extra tips on here. but I completely understand what you want to say! |
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| 15:42.18 | carols | thanks :-) |
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| 15:45.48 | KolibriOS|yogev | carols: When you were away, sumanah actually offered her help reviewing student proposals on this channel, so they might have gotten an idea that it's encouraged. |
| 15:45.59 | carols | KolibriOS|yogev: okay, thanks |
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| 15:48.20 | KolibriOS|yogev | TBH I won't review other orgs proposals not because I am not nice or because I have no time but plainly because I have no idea what do other orgs want to see in their proposals. |
| 15:48.50 | marek | hey folks, "Your major at the university." what does this mean? |
| 15:49.03 | carols | marek: your subject of study |
| 15:49.03 | KolibriOS|yogev | marek: Your faculty name or field of study |
| 15:49.15 | marek | I see, thank you carols and KolibriOS|yogev :) |
| 15:49.18 | carols | yw |
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| 15:58.04 | edsiper | mentors: anyone of you *not* getting melange emails (again) ? |
| 15:59.44 | KolibriOS|yogev | edsiper: Today I got a new proposal e-mail (3 hours ago), but still not getting updates on existing proposals. |
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| 16:00.27 | stqism | edsiper: I only get every other one, after a long delay. |
| 16:01.06 | edsiper | KolibriOS|yogev, stqism ahh ok, i got in a problem because we sent feedback to the students but we are not being notified once they do some updates |
| 16:01.30 | KolibriOS|yogev | edsiper: Updates on existing proposals still don't work, right. |
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| 16:02.42 | edsiper | KolibriOS|yogev, :/ , that breaks the interaction workflow |
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| 16:03.36 | KolibriOS|yogev | edsiper: There is already a bug open on Melange: https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=2108 |
| 16:03.46 | edsiper | thanks |
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| 16:18.19 | abiusx | Hello, are there any admins I can talk to privately? |
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| 16:19.01 | KolibriOS|yogev | abiusx: Admins of what? |
| 16:19.01 | abiusx | hi? |
| 16:19.05 | abiusx | admins of gsoc |
| 16:19.07 | abiusx | i mean google people |
| 16:19.28 | umccullough | perhaps carols can help you |
| 16:19.30 | KolibriOS|yogev | abiusx: carols is Google person. |
| 16:19.48 | stqism | umccullough: I'm guessing something minor like unmentor |
| 16:19.55 | umccullough | lol |
| 16:19.59 | KolibriOS|yogev | stqism: I am taking bets. |
| 16:20.17 | stqism | KolibriOS|yogev: That game is a slippery slops |
| 16:20.27 | stqism | slope, I can not spell today |
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| 16:24.56 | thiago_ | abiusx: carols is a busy person. Maybe other people can help you. Can you say what you need help with? |
| 16:25.14 | abiusx | i was wondering about the US sanctions thingie |
| 16:25.22 | abiusx | 1.2 Mentor Organization Warranties. You hereby represent, warrant, and agree that: (a) you are an individual or organization running an active and viable open source or free software project; (b) you are not a resident or national of Cuba, Iran, Syria, Sudan, North Korea, or Myanmar (Burma); (c) you are not a person or entity restricted by US export controls or sanctions programs; and (d) if you are an individual, you are or will be 18 ye |
| 16:25.23 | abiusx | of age or older by May 27, 2013. |
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| 16:25.31 | abiusx | is this about the organization or all mentors? |
| 16:25.37 | stqism | abiusx: Everyone. |
| 16:25.49 | abiusx | everyone as in ? |
| 16:25.52 | brlcad | what's your question? |
| 16:25.58 | stqism | Mentors and students. |
| 16:26.02 | umccullough | are you a resident of one of thsoe countries? |
| 16:26.11 | abiusx | no |
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| 16:26.17 | abiusx | but i was born in one |
| 16:26.24 | umccullough | hmm |
| 16:26.24 | dfighter | loads his M16 |
| 16:26.28 | abiusx | lol |
| 16:26.32 | brlcad | abiusx: so you're a national of one |
| 16:26.36 | abiusx | yes |
| 16:26.42 | abiusx | but i don't get what it has to do with anything |
| 16:26.43 | abiusx | i work in US |
| 16:26.48 | brlcad | so you're out of luck |
| 16:26.48 | abiusx | and live there as well |
| 16:26.59 | thiago_ | do you still have the citizenship of your original country? |
| 16:27.05 | abiusx | you can't revoke it for iran |
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| 16:27.07 | umccullough | depending on the legal requirements here, you may not be subject to the export restrictions |
| 16:27.17 | abiusx | US doesn't enforce any sanctions on me. |
| 16:27.19 | abiusx | this is by google |
| 16:27.25 | brlcad | abiusx: do you have a us passport? |
| 16:27.33 | abiusx | no I'm not a US citizen |
| 16:27.36 | thiago_ | google is following US law |
| 16:27.44 | abiusx | well US law says something else |
| 16:27.50 | abiusx | it has no mention of "Nationals" only residents |
| 16:27.57 | thiago_ | not according to google |
| 16:28.05 | downey | abiusx: That was a decision by Google's lawyers and it's not negotiable AFAIK. |
| 16:28.26 | abiusx | im not negotiating |
| 16:28.30 | thiago_ | with thousands of people involved in GSoC, they can't open exceptions and do it case-by-case |
| 16:28.31 | abiusx | i am asking for clarification |
| 16:28.32 | umccullough | i would say, this channel is probably not the best place to ask for minute details |
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| 16:28.39 | umccullough | so, carols is probably a better person to contact |
| 16:28.42 | downey | nationals of those countries are not allowed to participate. |
| 16:28.45 | stqism | Perhaps an email to carols |
| 16:28.53 | abiusx | nobody is asking for my nationality in the app |
| 16:28.57 | thiago_ | send carol an email, but I guess that it's not going to work for you |
| 16:28.59 | abiusx | so what if I just don't mention it? |
| 16:29.09 | thiago_ | then you've entered the contract in bad faith |
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| 16:29.12 | thiago_ | the contract is null and void |
| 16:29.12 | stqism | abiusx: Shoot an email to carols@google.com with your exact situation, she'll be able to help |
| 16:29.21 | downey | abiusx: You already mentioned it. |
| 16:29.22 | carols | what's the question? |
| 16:29.24 | abiusx | i have not |
| 16:29.26 | CFS-MP3 | I think if you have a US ID you are OK |
| 16:29.30 | abiusx | i entered every information as accurately as possible |
| 16:29.36 | abiusx | my question is |
| 16:29.37 | stqism | carols: Citizen of a banned nation living in the US |
| 16:29.42 | brlcad | abiusx: there's a difference between getting a job as a national from a restricted state and "engaging in business" with one |
| 16:29.43 | abiusx | I live and work in US |
| 16:29.45 | abiusx | but i was born in Iran |
| 16:29.48 | abiusx | can't I be a mentor? |
| 16:29.53 | carols | abiusx: can you please email me? |
| 16:29.56 | abiusx | sure |
| 16:30.01 | carols | thanks |
| 16:30.04 | carols | serves some tea |
| 16:30.08 | brlcad | ahh, mentor is even different still |
| 16:30.13 | thiago_ | carols: we need pie today. It's pi day. |
| 16:30.15 | thiago_ | :-) |
| 16:30.22 | umccullough | omg, it is |
| 16:30.27 | umccullough | missed that entirely |
| 16:30.30 | carols | thiago_: did you bring some? |
| 16:30.59 | stqism | Thanks for reminding me, time to break a release cycle by updating it to 0.3.1.4 |
| 16:31.02 | thiago_ | I'll get some later :-) |
| 16:31.16 | umccullough | bring lots |
| 16:31.35 | stqism | ;_; My jokes die here. |
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| 16:31.58 | downey | carols: You're missing out, Blaze Pizza in socal is selling $3.14 large pizzas today :) |
| 16:32.10 | carols | I don't eat pizza :-) |
| 16:32.15 | carols | so no problem |
| 16:32.23 | brlcad | you .. what?? |
| 16:32.28 | brlcad | no comprendo |
| 16:32.49 | abiusx | email sent |
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| 16:32.55 | carols | cheers |
| 16:33.06 | downey | brlcad: more for us :) |
| 16:33.19 | brlcad | totally |
| 16:33.25 | brlcad | confusing, but it's all good |
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| 16:33.31 | stqism | downey: Thanks for that, now I have lunch worked out. And dinner. And Lunch again. |
| 16:33.53 | downey | recalls hearing that carols only consumes tea and chocolate |
| 16:34.00 | carols | nope |
| 16:34.06 | carols | i don't eat chocolate :-) |
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| 16:34.11 | downey | lies |
| 16:34.21 | carols | you're telling me i'm lying about my own diet? |
| 16:34.25 | carols | really? |
| 16:34.25 | downey | next you'll say you don't drink tea :) |
| 16:34.30 | stqism | She drinks chocolate and eats tea, duh |
| 16:34.37 | carols | i love tea |
| 16:34.39 | brlcad | she doesn't eat pizza or chocolate |
| 16:34.41 | umccullough | doesn't eat chocolate either |
| 16:34.42 | carols | i'm drinking some right now |
| 16:34.45 | brlcad | she just eats chocolate pizzas |
| 16:34.51 | carols | why are we discussing this, anyway? |
| 16:34.57 | umccullough | because... |
| 16:35.09 | brlcad | because it's highly unusual |
| 16:35.12 | brlcad | and it's PI day! |
| 16:35.13 | stqism | And I can't find a way to abbreviate off topic in the title. Damn |
| 16:35.18 | carols | and has no bearing on gsoc :-) |
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| 16:35.37 | EdwardCheng | Hi there |
| 16:35.41 | stqism | carols: Google Summer Offtopic Chat? |
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| 16:36.00 | umccullough | gonna be a long summer |
| 16:36.00 | carols | stqism: i think that's known as "another channel" |
| 16:36.00 | abiusx | carols[at]gmail com right? |
| 16:36.02 | stqism | :P |
| 16:36.05 | carols | abiusx: no |
| 16:36.07 | stqism | abiusx: google |
| 16:36.08 | EdwardCheng | How to Propose a project? |
| 16:36.10 | abiusx | then i did it right. |
| 16:36.19 | EdwardCheng | I dont find any button to click.... |
| 16:36.19 | stqism | EdwardCheng: It's on the main page |
| 16:36.31 | stqism | Are you signed up as a mentor per chance? |
| 16:36.33 | carols | EdwardCheng: have you created a profile and submitted your proof of enrollment? |
| 16:36.34 | umccullough | did you upload enrollment proof? |
| 16:36.58 | EdwardCheng | enrollment proof?not yet... |
| 16:37.05 | carols | EdwardCheng: then you need to do that. |
| 16:37.08 | umccullough | pokes stqism |
| 16:37.14 | stqism | umccullough: Yo |
| 16:37.16 | carols | (in order to subsequently submit your proposal) |
| 16:37.19 | EdwardCheng | Thanks |
| 16:37.21 | umccullough | not always unmentor :D |
| 16:37.40 | stqism | It's just one of those things, okay? |
| 16:37.43 | ashepelev | carols: Hello, I sended my enrollment proof but it's not in english, I applied the original documents scans and their translations in english. Would it be enough? |
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| 16:37.53 | carols | ashepelev: did you read the instructions? |
| 16:38.15 | umccullough | !proof | ashepelev |
| 16:38.16 | gsocbot | ashepelev: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
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| 16:38.43 | brlcad | carols: we got things sorted out with mailing list student, just fyi |
| 16:38.52 | brlcad | i know you were worried |
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| 16:38.55 | carols | brlcad: great, thanks. out of curiosity, what happened? |
| 16:38.56 | downey | brlcad: i really like your checklist page |
| 16:39.03 | brlcad | downey: thanks! |
| 16:39.14 | carols | brlcad: worried, no. curious the particular way that student was being misdirected. |
| 16:39.28 | carols | they find so many new and interesting ways. |
| 16:39.37 | downey | cleverness++ |
| 16:40.01 | ashepelev | carols: Well, I read it already. The question is that my translation is not certified, it's only done by me. Is that OK? |
| 16:40.13 | carols | ashepelev: "It is highly preferable for your proof of enrollment documentation to be submitted to us in English. If you cannot submit documents in English, please provide a translation along with the document in .txt format." |
| 16:40.23 | umccullough | and if it's not ok, someone will contact you :) |
| 16:40.25 | rkmohapatra | what to write in the content(proposal) |
| 16:40.34 | carols | rkmohapatra: whatever the org wants |
| 16:40.39 | carols | did you speak to them about it |
| 16:40.40 | carols | ? |
| 16:40.45 | rkmohapatra | ya |
| 16:40.56 | rkmohapatra | i spoke to them |
| 16:41.04 | stqism | rkmohapatra: They read your proposals, and only they know what they want. |
| 16:41.27 | carols | rkmohapatra: great, then you should have an answer to that question. |
| 16:41.27 | rkmohapatra | my question is there any format |
| 16:41.35 | umccullough | http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch008_writing-a-proposal/ |
| 16:41.35 | carols | rkmohapatra: did they tell you if there was? |
| 16:41.46 | carols | thanks umccullough |
| 16:41.47 | carols | :-) |
| 16:41.55 | brlcad | carols: they had joined and asked, but it was a couple days ago -- 4am local time and they left shortly after asking; we'd attempted to respond several times, but they kept logging in and timing out |
| 16:42.03 | carols | brlcad: sigh |
| 16:42.05 | umccullough | rkmohapatra, there are some examples there as well |
| 16:42.05 | ashepelev | rkmohapatra: the org should produce some kind of the proposal template for you. |
| 16:42.20 | carols | reminds me of the people that email me at 7pm on friday and then again at 8am on sunday wondering why i haven't responded |
| 16:42.22 | brlcad | carols: i sent them the section from the student manual |
| 16:42.31 | carols | brlcad: thanks. |
| 16:42.32 | brlcad | about etiquette and we talked |
| 16:42.40 | carols | great |
| 16:42.42 | brlcad | it's all good |
| 16:42.46 | carols | excellent |
| 16:42.50 | carols | i figured it was |
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| 16:44.07 | stqism | ashepelev: An org should't have to produce a template, we personally like to see a students ability to work around an issue like that, and see how creative they can be with it. |
| 16:44.09 | brlcad | rkmohapatra: whether there's a format or template is up to the org, some have no template and it's up to you to be creative |
| 16:44.26 | carols | wow, you both said the same thing at the same time :-) |
| 16:44.27 | carols | spooky |
| 16:44.38 | brlcad | gmta |
| 16:44.39 | stqism | ashepelev: One student showed me his wip proposal, it was a freaking interview. Stood out for sure |
| 16:44.50 | EdwardCheng | Hi, i cant find a bottom one is called "Forms"... |
| 16:44.55 | EdwardCheng | on my profile |
| 16:44.56 | downey | brlcad / stqism - We have a structured section and a free-form section. Best of both worlds. :-) |
| 16:45.20 | carols | EdwardCheng: at the very bottom? you don't see it? |
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| 16:45.32 | brlcad | downey: we say "we intentionally have no format .. but include at least the following information: [template]" |
| 16:45.48 | downey | brlcad: nice |
| 16:45.49 | rkmohapatra | brlcad:thank u |
| 16:45.54 | stqism | downey: Nice one, we tell them what we like to see, but otherwise we throw em a canvas and ask them to paint :P |
| 16:45.56 | carols | EdwardCheng: if you really, honestly don't see it, you can also just use the button on the front page. |
| 16:46.00 | brlcad | too many years being disappointed by the creativity or lack thereof on the lower end of the bell curve |
| 16:46.11 | carols | EdwardCheng: it takes you to the same place |
| 16:46.23 | umccullough | maybe he did sign up as mentor after all... |
| 16:46.27 | carols | maybe. |
| 16:46.28 | downey | brlcad: useful data though :-) |
| 16:46.44 | brlcad | sometimes |
| 16:46.47 | stqism | brlcad: That is always true, with a hold your hand template you're encouraging laziness and lack of free thought. |
| 16:46.58 | stqism | umccullough: YES |
| 16:47.02 | umccullough | heh |
| 16:47.06 | brlcad | came across a couple good coders that really were just terrible at writing a proposal |
| 16:47.11 | stqism | :P |
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| 16:47.25 | Glorf | Hi |
| 16:47.29 | stqism | Hello |
| 16:47.31 | carols | hi Glorf |
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| 16:47.48 | carols | EdwardCheng: no need to PM me, please talk about this in the channel. |
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| 16:48.39 | carols | EdwardCheng: seriously, stop PMing me. It's rude and unnecessary. I'll kick you if you keep it up. |
| 16:48.43 | Glorf | got a little question about the proof of enrolment |
| 16:48.47 | Glorf | enrollment |
| 16:48.50 | carols | Glorf: sure, how can we help? |
| 16:48.58 | stqism | brlcad: It isn't about pure writing ability, I like to see free thought in your attempt :P |
| 16:49.01 | Glorf | if i understood correctly, my french id card showing 13/14 as the date is okay ? |
| 16:49.16 | Glorf | (id card from my university ofc :p) |
| 16:49.17 | EdwardCheng | carols: sorry |
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| 16:49.26 | carols | EdwardCheng: that's fine. just ask your question *here* |
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| 16:49.36 | carols | Glorf: did you read the instructions? |
| 16:49.48 | stqism | !proof | Glorf |
| 16:49.48 | gsocbot | Glorf: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
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| 16:50.15 | carols | is really curious if one_more_minute is going to ask for a deadline extension next week |
| 16:50.18 | carols | :-P |
| 16:50.31 | carols | just kidding. |
| 16:50.49 | stqism | carols: It's an org ;) |
| 16:50.52 | stqism | :P |
| 16:50.56 | carols | fair enough |
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| 16:52.07 | prasad_ | can some one inform site maintainer about there is spelling mistake on site on the button label as 'sumbit enrollment from' which should be 'form' |
| 16:52.27 | umccullough | #melange is where you want to report that :) |
| 16:53.15 | Glorf | thanks stqism :) |
| 16:53.23 | stqism | np |
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| 16:53.49 | carols | prasad_: you could also submit a patch :-) |
| 16:53.52 | carols | just a thought. |
| 16:53.55 | carols | anyway. |
| 16:53.58 | carols | sips some tea |
| 16:54.02 | No_Extensions | carols: Addressing your curiosity :-) |
| 16:54.10 | carols | No_Extensions: ha :-) |
| 16:54.16 | umccullough | heh |
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| 16:56.47 | April_22 | too obscure? |
| 16:57.00 | prasad_ | carols: where and how can i do this? |
| 16:57.11 | carols | prasad_: do what? sorry, i missed the first part of the question |
| 16:57.57 | carols | is easily confused |
| 16:57.58 | stqism | prasad_: #melange will be able to help, not really carols 's cup of tea :) |
| 16:57.58 | downey | prasad_: https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/entry |
| 16:58.50 | EdwardCheng | You are not allowed to upload forms, I get this message.. |
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| 16:58.59 | carols | EdwardCheng: then you probably signed up as a mentor |
| 16:59.12 | carols | in which case you need to ask the #melange developers to fix that for you |
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| 16:59.33 | EdwardCheng | Yeah, I Realized... |
| 16:59.35 | carols | yep |
| 16:59.37 | carols | #melange |
| 16:59.59 | stqism | umccullough: That's a +1 for me |
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| 17:03.49 | EdwardCheng | Is "Sign up a new account" a solution? |
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| 17:04.15 | stqism | EdwardCheng: It's a hackish one, but yes |
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| 17:04.44 | KolibriOS|yogev | !unmentor | EdwardCheng |
| 17:04.44 | gsocbot | EdwardCheng: "unmentor" is (#1) mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com and Cc: carols@google.com with your melange username (top of the page) and say you mistakenly registered as a mentor, or (#2) Or just register again with another GMail account |
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| 17:06.34 | Ch3ck_ | bePolite: where u beeN? |
| 17:06.47 | bePolite | outside |
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| 17:10.48 | EdwardCheng | I have sent the help e-mail, thanks :D |
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| 17:11.39 | carols | yw |
| 17:11.47 | carols | serves more tea and coffee |
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| 17:22.21 | umccullough | stqism, fair enough |
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| 17:25.16 | bePolite | carols: I am still waiting for my tee |
| 17:25.21 | bePolite | * tea |
| 17:25.25 | carols | bePolite: help yourself |
| 17:25.35 | carols | i'm not serving it to you :-) |
| 17:26.04 | bePolite | Last time I beged u to invent a teleportation mechanism or smth similar |
| 17:26.16 | carols | okay.. |
| 17:26.34 | carols | and so you're saying that i should have done that by now? |
| 17:28.55 | carols | sorry, i've been busy with other things, so that's not going to happen |
| 17:29.00 | carols | you'll just have to build it yourself |
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| 17:30.34 | Turl | carols: you should dispatch some self driving cars with coffee :) |
| 17:30.39 | novochen | this tea thing reminds me of HTCPCP |
| 17:30.43 | carols | Turl: nope, i shouldn't do that either |
| 17:30.54 | carols | seeing as i have nothing to do with that program, nor do i want to |
| 17:30.54 | novochen | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper_Text_Coffee_Pot_Control_Protocol |
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| 17:31.47 | bePolite | hmm |
| 17:31.57 | bePolite | carols: I would continue brainstorming |
| 17:32.03 | carols | bePolite: great. |
| 17:32.10 | carols | good luck |
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| 17:32.57 | Turl | goes on to work on his GSoC proposal |
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| 17:33.54 | tford9 | So... I suppose this is the channel. |
| 17:34.10 | Guest89831 | Are you looking for the GSoC channel? |
| 17:34.25 | tford9 | Yep. |
| 17:34.48 | Guest89831 | well hello hello |
| 17:35.00 | tford9 | How many people in this room would you suppose are student looking to apply? |
| 17:35.45 | carols | tford9: not really something we can guess or really matter. |
| 17:35.48 | carols | *matters |
| 17:36.22 | neophye | fail |
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| 17:36.29 | bePolite | lol |
| 17:36.32 | tford9 | Okay. So I have questions. Which is what I understand this room is for. |
| 17:36.38 | carols | tford9: sure |
| 17:36.42 | carols | how can we help? |
| 17:37.31 | tford9 | If my proposal were to be accepted, where I would end up in terms of location would depend on which mentor accepted my proposal? |
| 17:37.41 | carols | tford9: on your computer. |
| 17:37.46 | stqism | tford9: What do you mean location? |
| 17:37.48 | carols | no matter where you're accepted |
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| 17:38.17 | stqism | carols is slightly wrong here, you might be in front of a tablet, with a keyboard. |
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| 17:38.19 | tford9 | Okay, so this program would be conducted totally remotely. |
| 17:38.22 | Niharika | tford9: It would be great if you read the FAQs first. |
| 17:38.25 | carols | stqism: fair enough |
| 17:38.25 | stqism | You're still not traveling at all. |
| 17:38.29 | stqism | :P |
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| 17:38.38 | carols | tford9: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#4._Where_does_development_occur |
| 17:38.42 | tford9 | Well, I thought it would be more fun to have a conversation instead. |
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| 17:39.11 | stqism | tford9: That's what messaging programs with voice chat abilities and conventions are for :P |
| 17:39.20 | carols | tford9: well, what conversation would you like to have? about which chat client you'll use to work with your org? :-) |
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| 17:40.27 | tford9 | Haha, sure. How would the remote mentoring sessions work? |
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| 17:40.40 | carols | tford9: depends on the org |
| 17:40.42 | stqism | tford9: Usually that's up to you and your mentors to work out |
| 17:40.43 | carols | some use irc |
| 17:40.49 | carols | some use video chat |
| 17:40.49 | stqism | others email |
| 17:40.52 | carols | some use mailing lists |
| 17:40.58 | carols | some use twitter and blogs |
| 17:41.06 | carols | there's 190 solutions from 190 different orgs |
| 17:41.06 | MisterA | it's good to keep a presence on irc anyways |
| 17:41.13 | stqism | Your mentor might even tie a letter to a birds leg |
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| 17:41.33 | stqism | Don't count on the last one though |
| 17:41.43 | carols | stqism: we don't have house stark participating in gsoc this year. |
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| 17:42.13 | stqism | carols: Sounds like a great place for a most desirable organization project next year |
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| 17:42.27 | MisterA | would teaching a parrot to say something then having it fly to a student's house be considered a voice message? :P |
| 17:42.29 | carols | stqism: i agree. |
| 17:42.49 | stqism | MisterA: I suppose that counts as communicating with students |
| 17:42.58 | tford9 | Okay, I have another question. Are you all just helpful potential participants? |
| 17:43.04 | carols | tford9: no |
| 17:43.08 | carols | we're students, mentors, and admins |
| 17:43.10 | umccullough | some of us are mentors |
| 17:43.10 | carols | and the public |
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| 17:43.17 | umccullough | and google employees :P |
| 17:43.18 | MisterA | I'm a student personally |
| 17:43.24 | Ivanovic | MisterA: hmm, the 48h response time might be difficult for this method... |
| 17:43.50 | stqism | MisterA: Your method is still nicer than writing in the sky with lights |
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| 17:44.12 | MisterA | lol |
| 17:44.13 | carols | umccullough: only a very few of us :-) |
| 17:44.23 | MisterA | you and carlos? |
| 17:44.39 | Niharika | MisterA: carols* |
| 17:44.44 | MisterA | carols and carlos |
| 17:44.51 | carols | carlos isn't here! |
| 17:44.54 | carols | it's just me. |
| 17:44.56 | stqism | carols, carols, and apparently carols too. |
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| 17:45.24 | MisterA | poor carlos is probably hiding in an attic somewhere, terrified of all the emails |
| 17:45.39 | carols | i'm more worried about whoever has carols @ gmail |
| 17:45.43 | carols | i don't know that person |
| 17:45.52 | carols | and he/she definitely got some student emails |
| 17:45.57 | carols | and maybe others |
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| 17:46.32 | MisterA | let's just hope that whoever has it has a lot of tea |
| 17:46.39 | carols | indeed. |
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| 17:49.01 | Ivanovic | carols: is it so hard to find out who has got the carols email address? |
| 17:49.25 | Ivanovic | carols: ain't there some internally acceible database of employees? |
| 17:49.29 | carols | Ivanovic: i don't know. since i would never do it. since it doesn't matter and i was making a joke. |
| 17:49.33 | stqism | Ivanovic: Apparently Google employees don't have access to everyones personal information |
| 17:49.53 | KolibriOS|yogev | Actually a funny trivia, nick "carlos" seems to be forbidden: |
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| 17:49.55 | KolibriOS|yogev | [19:47] == carlos Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable |
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| 17:50.12 | stqism | KolibriOS|yogev: Just locked |
| 17:50.38 | KolibriOS|yogev | stqism: Probably for the sake of people not impersonating carols |
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| 17:52.14 | Ivanovic | carols: yet it might still make sense to make sure that carols@google.com is aware where to forward those mails to |
| 17:52.16 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 17:52.34 | Turl | KolibriOS|yogev: Nickserv says he was online 2h ago, so I don't think it's locked |
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| 17:53.57 | tford9 | Well, I'd like to thank you all for the information that you've given me. I am off to bother someone at my Uni about a potential project. :-) |
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| 17:54.05 | KolibriOS|yogev | Turl: Oh, nick protection, didn't think this nick is so desirable :-) |
| 17:54.15 | carols | tford9: good luck :-) |
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| 17:54.59 | Turl | KolibriOS|yogev: it's a very common spanish name. It makes sense :) |
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| 18:06.16 | Turl | carols: is there any chance for the tshirt 'country blacklist' to be revisited some time in the future? |
| 18:06.25 | Turl | is just wondering |
| 18:06.41 | carols | Turl: sure. the customs officials in those countries would need to stop holding our shirts for ransom |
| 18:06.48 | carols | and i'd be happy to start shipping there again |
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| 18:09.06 | Turl | carols: I never had that problem. But N=1 is hardly a measure of anything |
| 18:09.19 | Turl | what it can be is slooooow though. |
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| 18:09.53 | carols | Turl: yeah, we did it for three years and had too many complaints |
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| 18:10.02 | carols | students being told they have to pay $60 to get their packages |
| 18:10.05 | carols | it's ridiculous |
| 18:10.30 | carols | packages just being thrown in the trash once they arrive in-country |
| 18:10.34 | carols | too many problems. |
| 18:10.39 | Turl | carols: do you ship them with an invoice inside? |
| 18:10.45 | carols | Turl: of course |
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| 18:10.52 | carols | you have to do that with all international shipments |
| 18:11.09 | Turl | odd then |
| 18:11.19 | carols | i agree |
| 18:11.28 | Turl | well, maybe in brazil they'll try to charge 60$. I heard their customs rates are really high |
| 18:11.40 | carols | it comes down to corruption and/or seeing the word "google" on the package assume they can get some more money |
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| 18:11.57 | KolibriOS|yogev | carols: Any possibility to ship them to an org.representative living in a country which is not blacklisted, for further manual delivery to a blacklisted country? |
| 18:11.57 | carols | and we're not willing to bow down to that |
| 18:12.15 | carols | KolibriOS|yogev: sure, i'm happy to do that. in fact, i have done that. |
| 18:12.33 | KolibriOS|yogev | (I would love to grant them to my mentors and they are all in blacklisted countries) |
| 18:12.38 | carols | we always tell they students they can list their shipping address as a friend in another country and we'll ship there instead |
| 18:12.55 | carols | it makes no difference to us what country we ship to. |
| 18:13.11 | Turl | carols: wouldn't that ship your card to them as well? |
| 18:13.32 | carols | Turl: sorry? |
| 18:13.34 | carols | i don't understand |
| 18:13.43 | carols | my card? |
| 18:13.45 | Turl | carols: the stipend card |
| 18:13.51 | KolibriOS|yogev | carols: The credit card with a stipend, where would it go? |
| 18:13.56 | carols | Turl: it goes to the student |
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| 18:13.59 | carols | always to the student |
| 18:14.10 | Turl | carols: not to the shipping address then? |
| 18:14.11 | Turl | cool |
| 18:14.21 | carols | we can ship payment cards as "documents" and they don't aggravate customs |
| 18:14.44 | KolibriOS|yogev | carols: We mean if the student wants to ship the T-shirt to one address and the card to another address, that's not possible, right? |
| 18:14.51 | carols | KolibriOS|yogev: sure, it |
| 18:14.53 | carols | it's possible |
| 18:14.55 | carols | and i've done it |
| 18:15.01 | carols | did ~10 of those last year |
| 18:15.19 | umccullough | i think there's nowhere to specify this on melange? |
| 18:15.27 | KolibriOS|yogev | carols: How should the student do it? Change the shipping address after the card was shipped? |
| 18:15.28 | carols | umccullough: no, that's true. you have to email me |
| 18:15.33 | carols | KolibriOS|yogev: just emailed me. |
| 18:15.35 | KolibriOS|yogev | oh, ok |
| 18:15.42 | carols | it's not that complex everyone :-) |
| 18:15.49 | Turl | haha :) |
| 18:15.52 | umccullough | we're all engineers here... |
| 18:15.57 | umccullough | everything's complex |
| 18:16.00 | KolibriOS|yogev | carols: Ok, great, thanks a lot for the thumbs up! |
| 18:16.04 | carols | yw |
| 18:16.15 | Turl | umccullough: :P some of us aren't |
| 18:16.20 | umccullough | true |
| 18:16.24 | carols | indeed |
| 18:16.26 | carols | i'm not an engineer |
| 18:16.34 | umccullough | that's why it doesn't seem so complext to you ;) |
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| 18:16.39 | umccullough | -t |
| 18:16.56 | carols | i think this is a better way of being :-) |
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| 18:17.02 | carols | from my perspective :-) |
| 18:17.10 | darnir | Everything real is complex |
| 18:17.53 | Turl | carols: I'd probably lose track of what I need to do by the time I get the 3rd email :P |
| 18:18.04 | carols | Turl: i get about 400 emails a day |
| 18:18.13 | carols | and i typically work with inbox 0 |
| 18:18.16 | carols | so there you go |
| 18:18.20 | vedu | darnir: great point :D |
| 18:18.39 | Turl | carols: I do unread 0. Maybe I need to switch :P |
| 18:18.51 | carols | you should do whatever works for you. |
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| 18:20.40 | Turl | a note taking app helps me organize a bit more, but I still often lose track of stuff |
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| 18:23.23 | carols | Turl: then that sounds like it's not working ;-) |
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| 18:24.22 | Turl | carols: the main reason I lose track of stuff is because I forget to check my notes app :p |
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| 18:30.14 | Kurus22 | any way to find how many proposal been submitted for certain project |
| 18:30.26 | carols | Kurus22: sure, ask the org |
| 18:30.32 | carols | and it's the prerogative if they tell you |
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| 18:32.03 | gauravb7090 | can someone please review my proposal? any provide his/her valuable feedback on the same? |
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| 18:32.35 | Turl | gauravb7090: you should ask in the org's irc channel |
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| 18:33.37 | gauravb7090 | actually due to some technical issues the channel's irc channel is not working... |
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| 18:33.50 | carols | gauravb7090: then you should resolve that with them :-) |
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| 18:34.22 | KolibriOS|yogev | gauravb7090: Which org, just wondering? |
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| 18:38.25 | carols | serves some more coffee and tea |
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| 18:41.47 | KolibriOS|yogev | gauravb7090: It's probably a secret :-) |
| 18:42.35 | trivedigaurav | Hey, can anyone direct me to the link to previous years' applications? Can you actually see students' proposals there? |
| 18:43.15 | carols | trivedigaurav: which do you want: student projects from previous years or examples of proposals? |
| 18:43.22 | carols | they're two different questions |
| 18:43.52 | trivedigaurav | Both the links would help :D |
| 18:43.54 | KolibriOS|yogev | trivedigaurav: On Melange website the student proposals are currently not available due to a bug. |
| 18:44.17 | carols | KolibriOS|yogev: well, but example proposals are always in the student manual... |
| 18:44.21 | carols | if that's what trivedigaurav wants. |
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| 18:44.30 | KolibriOS|yogev | trivedigaurav: But examples of proposals are shared by some organizations directly on their websites, for example wesnoth, kde,... |
| 18:44.41 | carols | that too. |
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| 18:44.59 | gauravb7090 | KolibriOS|yogev: Macports, sorry for the late reply but just got a reply from the channel's irc |
| 18:45.16 | KolibriOS|yogev | gauravb7090: So the channel is ok after all :-) |
| 18:45.54 | gauravb7090 | KolibriOS|yogev: yeah thankfully :) |
| 18:46.06 | trivedigaurav | I'll check the proposals for these organizations. thanks! |
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| 18:46.56 | KolibriOS|yogev | trivedigaurav: Example: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SpriteSheetApplicationSAB |
| 18:47.17 | KolibriOS|yogev | trivedigaurav: This in no way states that this proposal is quality, just example of public proposal |
| 18:48.17 | trivedigaurav | sure. helpful though. thanks again. |
| 18:48.53 | carols | trivedigaurav: the student manual has two example proposals as well if you want to try those |
| 18:48.56 | KolibriOS|yogev | trivedigaurav: Last year accepted Wesnoth proposal: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SummerOfCodeProposal_AI_Improvement_Crab |
| 18:49.14 | KolibriOS|yogev | trivedigaurav: (I am in no way associated with Wesnoth BTW) |
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| 18:51.33 | trivedigaurav | This is even better. Cool! |
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| 20:46.15 | sgeisenh | I have looked through the suggested projects pages of several organizations and I can't help but feel intimidated. I have never worked on serious production code before and I feel as if I'm not qualified to submit any proposals. Does anybody have any suggestions for better places to learn about contributing to an open-source codebase. |
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| 20:48.40 | ThomasWaldmann | sgeisenh: well, you can start contributing at any time, you don't need gsoc for that |
| 20:49.12 | TCD | sgeisenh: Talk to the org involved, they can help you |
| 20:49.34 | ThomasWaldmann | for example, if some software you use and in which you have some personal interest is FOSS, you can often find some bug or some docs to improve or ... |
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| 20:50.57 | sgeisenh | hmm, I'll look into some bugfixes, thanks for the suggestions! |
| 20:51.19 | TCD | a lot of projects have a specific easy tag in their issues, I've found |
| 20:51.40 | TCD | or find //TODO in code, those tend to be small too |
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| 20:52.37 | sgeisenh | cool |
| 20:53.20 | ThomasWaldmann | sgeisenh: do you have some specific projects or languages in mind? |
| 20:54.07 | sgeisenh | my undergrad has focused largely on functional languages, so i've been looking into ghc and darcs |
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| 20:54.52 | digitalcircuit | On a related note to sgeisenh's question, would you suggest holding off on submitting a proposal until working with the project's code-base, or still give it a try? |
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| 20:55.36 | ThomasWaldmann | digitalcircuit: that's hard to answer. depends a lot on what org expects and how fast you get into stuff. |
| 20:56.58 | ThomasWaldmann | maybe you should be rather able to do productive work than just get a course on FOSS and stuff you do not know yet at all |
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| 20:57.44 | ThomasWaldmann | it is expected that students will need quite some help, esp. at the beginning, though. |
| 20:58.02 | ThomasWaldmann | but gsoc should not be the 2nd step after "hello world" :D |
| 20:58.49 | digitalcircuit | Duly noted :) In that case, I'll try to look for projects using languages I'm more familiar with, e.g. C#. |
| 20:59.18 | TCD | As another C# lover, seems to only be Mono that's using it :( |
| 20:59.36 | digitalcircuit | I'm not 'new' at programming, but I don't have much experience with collaborative coding, which I need to fix. |
| 20:59.44 | MisterA | mono really needs a winforms designer |
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| 20:59.48 | ThomasWaldmann | well, guess why C# is not that popular in foss world ;) |
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| 20:59.57 | sgeisenh | my language of choice is standard ml, and just about nobody uses sml in production |
| 21:00.04 | TCD | MisterA: I think an xwt designer is on the gsoc ideas :p |
| 21:00.27 | MisterA | I see :o |
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| 21:00.34 | ThomasWaldmann | digitalcircuit: there are nice books about git and hg. some even online and for free. |
| 21:00.53 | MisterA | I hope someone manages it, it was a pain in class because I had to use visual studio and windows |
| 21:00.58 | MisterA | manages to do it |
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| 21:01.17 | TCD | I like visualstudio... |
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| 21:03.16 | digitalcircuit | ThomasWaldmann, thanks for the heads up. Regardless of success of applying to GSoC, getting comfortable with git/etc is my goal for the summer. |
| 21:03.52 | ThomasWaldmann | in general, starting early for gsoc is a good idea |
| 21:04.16 | ThomasWaldmann | so in case you don't get accepted, do something nevertheless |
| 21:04.45 | ThomasWaldmann | so you could be a even better candidate for next gsoc |
| 21:04.52 | TCD | in case you don't get accepted, make your own version of gsoc ;) |
| 21:05.03 | KolibriOS|yogev | TCD: haha |
| 21:05.40 | KolibriOS|yogev | TCD: That was an advice for the orgs, not for the students :-) |
| 21:05.43 | ThomasWaldmann | quite some orgs may have more projects and mentors than students... |
| 21:06.36 | KolibriOS|yogev | TCD: For the students it would be "In case you don't get accepted for GSoC, apply for another FOSS initiative similar to GSoC" |
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| 21:06.50 | MisterA | TCD: don't get me wrong |
| 21:06.53 | MisterA | VS is pretty nice |
| 21:07.05 | MisterA | I just would rather avoid using windows when I am doing work |
| 21:07.27 | panzone | uh, uh, os war ? |
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| 21:08.08 | MisterA | panzone: nah, it's just about my personal convenience |
| 21:08.32 | panzone | oh man, i hoped for some good os war. |
| 21:09.10 | panzone | i' m quite disappointed |
| 21:09.22 | TCD | I'm reaching that point where I'm doing enough dev work that windows is starting to get a little annoying |
| 21:09.32 | TCD | but...I don't do enough dev work to use linux. |
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| 21:11.49 | MisterA | I pretty much only use windows for games and C# now |
| 21:12.25 | TCD | that's basically all I do :p |
| 21:12.36 | MisterA | lol |
| 21:12.54 | panzone | i' m using windows for almost everything. |
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| 21:14.27 | TCD | If we saw some huge openGL takeup in the mainstream game industry, I'd move over |
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| 21:31.15 | Turl | TCD: like the one on valve? :) |
| 21:32.29 | TCD | Turl: True, but valve hardly are 'the' mainstream game industry :) |
| 21:32.37 | TCD | for one they're far too nice to their customers, heh |
| 21:32.54 | Turl | :P |
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| 21:34.38 | Turl | I don't game much, but when I do Valve has ported the game to run natively, so I'm happy :) |
| 21:34.59 | sinhayash_ | !tea |
| 21:34.59 | gsocbot | sinhayash_: "tea" is Have some tea and try to relax! |
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| 21:35.51 | Turl | !coffee |
| 21:35.51 | gsocbot | Turl: "coffee" is over there, go take a cup. |
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| 21:37.46 | TCD | !hot chocolate |
| 21:38.23 | panzone | uh, nothing |
| 21:38.35 | panzone | i prefer hot chocolate to coffee |
| 21:38.37 | olly | it's not a vending machine |
| 21:38.38 | meflin | chocolate is precious you have to bring your own (BYOC) |
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| 21:40.40 | TCD | olly: another mdo idea, maybe? |
| 21:40.49 | TCD | implement an irc vending machine |
| 21:41.20 | downey | carols: some of us were talking and wondered, would you be opposed to a mentor summit crowdsourced tea share similar to the chocolate room? |
| 21:41.33 | panzone | or send commands to a real vending machine using irc |
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| 21:43.06 | meflin | it could even the be the same room :D |
| 21:43.52 | sinhayash_ | !love |
| 21:44.17 | carols | downey: not at all. you will have to contact me about it because we're doing it at a hotel this year and we need to coordinate with them |
| 21:44.23 | carols | but sure, of course i'm open to that |
| 21:44.48 | downey | carols: ok, more later when things slow down |
| 21:44.52 | downey | thanks ;-) |
| 21:44.57 | carols | sure |
| 21:44.57 | olly | croud-sourced catering |
| 21:44.57 | carols | cheers |
| 21:45.04 | downey | olly: hotels aren't usually too keen on that :) |
| 21:45.06 | downey | but who knows |
| 21:45.13 | meflin | olly: it could happen without enough kitchen space ;) |
| 21:45.18 | TCD | crowd sourced hotel |
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| 21:45.36 | TCD | bring your own mortar |
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| 21:46.11 | downey | heh |
| 21:46.20 | olly | PBAB(rick) |
| 21:46.44 | TCD | one brick per mentor..what's the mentor:student ratio, 500:1? ;P |
| 21:47.22 | meflin | mentors bring the bricks students do the building while we drink tea ;) |
| 21:47.30 | olly | um, comentoring is encouraged, but 500 mentors per student seems a bit excessive |
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| 21:47.36 | sinhayash_ | To every mail in which I asked "Please guide" or "What shall I do", I got reply, "Figure out the best on your own".. |
| 21:47.44 | sinhayash_ | Now I am out of ideas.. |
| 21:47.55 | olly | sinhayash_: have you read the student guide? |
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| 21:48.11 | olly | !studentguide |
| 21:48.12 | gsocbot | olly: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 21:48.30 | sinhayash_ | yep.. not every word though :P |
| 21:48.42 | olly | sinhayash_: i'll give you a tip - as a mentor, it's much easier to answer specific questions than general ones |
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| 21:49.19 | KolibriOS|yogev | sinhayash_: I'll give you another tip: there are 189 other organizations, some of which might be nicer :-) |
| 21:49.23 | olly | we're also keener on students who are capable of at least starting to figure things out for themselves |
| 21:50.27 | sinhayash_ | Thanks olly, KolibriOS|yogev |
| 21:51.09 | sinhayash_ | No complain about the org.. received prompt replies |
| 21:52.05 | sinhayash_ | may be the field is too new even for the developers of that field.. |
| 21:52.18 | aps-sids | sinhayash_: From my experience, I can tell you that you should start asking better questions :) |
| 21:52.31 | sinhayash_ | My questions go unanswered in IRC channels too.. |
| 21:52.43 | TCD | a lot of irc channels aren't active 24/7 |
| 21:53.07 | TCD | I've gotten plenty of helpful replies over in the mono one, but yesterday it was silent all day :P |
| 21:53.07 | sinhayash_ | aps-sids: May be, but it is that specific field which goes unanswered |
| 21:53.09 | aps-sids | some irc channels are not that active. you should try using mailing lists in that case |
| 21:53.42 | Dragooon | Okay so....being the idiot that I am, I clicked on the Withdraw button by mistake and it went "Yes" and I immediately made it No by clicking it again |
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| 21:53.45 | Dragooon | I should be fine right? |
| 21:53.57 | olly | Dragooon: check in your dashboard |
| 21:54.01 | sinhayash_ | I have been trying over a couple of days, I even mailed developers.. but got "notsogood" replies |
| 21:54.24 | Dragooon | olly: What should I see? Currently I'm seeing the proposal |
| 21:54.36 | olly | and it's not showing as withdrawn in the status? |
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| 21:54.42 | Dragooon | Nope |
| 21:54.48 | olly | sounds good then |
| 21:54.49 | carols | sinhayash_: it's not the job of the org to respond immediately to every question you ask and provide exactly the detailed answer that gives you all the information. |
| 21:54.51 | Dragooon | It's greyed out No at the moment |
| 21:54.59 | carols | sinhayash_: the idea is to simply give you the tools to do it yourself |
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| 21:55.30 | carols | sinhayash_: so, can you say that you are really doing everything you can with all the tools available to you and you are still having trouble with doing work for this org? |
| 21:55.33 | carols | if so, find another |
| 21:55.44 | carols | if not, start working harder |
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| 21:56.15 | sinhayash_ | olly, aps-sids , The thing is the developers are also saying that this feature needs some time to land in standard release |
| 21:56.38 | sinhayash_ | and mentor wants me to implement my best solution.. |
| 21:56.39 | olly | well, it's hard for us to comment on specifics of a situation we don't know |
| 21:56.48 | sinhayash_ | I dont know if he is sarcastic |
| 21:57.09 | carols | sinhayash_: so do that. |
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| 21:57.17 | carols | if he's being sarcastic he shouldn't be a mentor anyway |
| 21:57.26 | carols | and if he's not being sarcastic you should follow his direction |
| 21:57.33 | carols | and what do you have to lose, anyway? |
| 21:58.14 | sinhayash_ | his mentorship, :P .. I really want to contribute to this regardless of being chosen for GSOC or not |
| 21:58.43 | olly | it's easy to misread sarcasm into things people say online |
| 21:58.45 | carols | sinhayash_: well, firstly, if you really dislike him and he really dislikes you (which i don't honestly believe is the case) the org surely has at least one other person who can mentor you |
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| 21:59.09 | Dragooon | Will I get any email for comments on my proposal or do I need to check manually? |
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| 21:59.33 | carols | Dragooon: the #melange folks will know, you should ask them |
| 22:00.32 | sinhayash_ | Let me clarify.. webrtc is a very new technology.. he wants something which has not been implemented even in dev-builds .. (may be he wants to know if I can?? or can it be done?? ) |
| 22:00.47 | sinhayash_ | How do I know? |
| 22:01.06 | sinhayash_ | is he checking my limits... of writing good code? |
| 22:01.15 | Dragooon | carols: Thanks! |
| 22:01.19 | carols | yw |
| 22:01.28 | carols | sinhayash_: only he knows. |
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| 22:01.33 | carols | sinhayash_: so talk to him :-) |
| 22:01.39 | carols | sinhayash_: none of us are mind readers :-) |
| 22:01.46 | olly | Dragooon: orgs aren't currently getting notifications, not sure about students - http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=2108 |
| 22:02.08 | carols | olly: i got notifications of new proposals for my org... |
| 22:02.11 | carols | just sayin' |
| 22:02.26 | olly | carols: yeah, new proposals are notifying now |
| 22:02.30 | meflin | comments dont seem to be getting email tho |
| 22:02.31 | olly | but comments don't seem to be |
| 22:02.36 | carols | ok |
| 22:02.49 | sinhayash_ | carols: yep, true that |
| 22:02.52 | olly | new proposal notifications were broken but got fixed a few days ago |
| 22:02.56 | Dragooon | You have an org? Don't you organise the whole thing? |
| 22:03.03 | olly | Dragooon: OSPO org |
| 22:03.21 | carols | Dragooon: i have many, many jobs. |
| 22:03.39 | carols | which is why i hate it when people ask me developer questions, because that's one job i don't have and don't want :-) |
| 22:03.41 | olly | wonders is carols submits a proposal to herself and then reviews it |
| 22:03.50 | carols | olly: actually |
| 22:03.52 | carols | you joke |
| 22:03.53 | carols | but i do |
| 22:04.00 | carols | to make sure melange is working correctly |
| 22:04.01 | Dragooon | And then accepts it |
| 22:04.05 | carols | and to answer student questions |
| 22:04.06 | olly | ah, good idea |
| 22:04.38 | Dragooon | Do you still distribute donuts? |
| 22:04.43 | olly | i guess it's also simpler to accept OSPO in the normal way than to special case it |
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| 22:05.20 | carols | sinhayash_: you're welcome to ask your questions here, no need to PM me. |
| 22:05.40 | carols | Dragooon: donuts? no, i think donuts are disgusting. |
| 22:06.25 | TCD | :O |
| 22:06.32 | carols | sinhayash_: stop PM'ing me. it's rude and unnecessary and i'll kick you if you do it again |
| 22:06.58 | carols | sinhayash_: whatever question you have you can ask it here |
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| 22:09.01 | Dragooon | carols: Oh, my bad |
| 22:09.09 | carols | Dragooon: your bad? |
| 22:09.11 | carols | for what? |
| 22:09.35 | Dragooon | For some reason I remember you as distributing donuts at Google |
| 22:10.01 | sinhayash_ | carols: Sorry, my bad |
| 22:10.09 | carols | sinhayash_: that's fine. just ask your question here. |
| 22:10.17 | carols | Dragooon: i think you're thinking of my colleague stephanie. |
| 22:10.44 | Dragooon | carols: Probably |
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| 22:10.58 | carols | Dragooon: yeah, she loves chocolate and sweets |
| 22:11.25 | sinhayash_ | Answers which I got in last three mails: |
| 22:11.26 | sinhayash_ | Can you think of another way around the problem? |
| 22:11.26 | sinhayash_ | What do you think would be the best solution, given the tradeoff between the time you have, the deadline that's coming up, and the desired functionality? |
| 22:11.26 | sinhayash_ | And figuring out how to record is part of what I'd like you to figure out... |
| 22:11.26 | sinhayash_ | All are 1 line emails.. |
| 22:11.26 | sinhayash_ | And I have already told him that.. this is maximum that can be done.. even other developers agree to that.. |
| 22:11.28 | sinhayash_ | Is he trying to differentiate between two very good applicants?? |
| 22:11.29 | sinhayash_ | no need to PM me, you can say this all in the channel |
| 22:11.32 | sinhayash_ | What should I do.? Go on to talk about proposal, or try (if therez other way may be some way I haven;t explored yet) |
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| 22:12.12 | sinhayash_ | Second last line was a copy-paste error, pl ignore |
| 22:12.46 | Turl | sinhayash_: context? what did you ask them? |
| 22:12.56 | olly | sinhayash_: i think you need to talk to the mentors of the org in question about this |
| 22:13.46 | olly | i suspect the mentor is trying to get you to think for yourself rather than provide you with all the answers |
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| 22:14.37 | sinhayash_ | Turl: I said, I am stuck at this spot and it cant be done further as it has not been implemented in standard code yet |
| 22:15.46 | Turl | sinhayash_: well, sound like sensible answers to your question |
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| 22:17.33 | Turl | you can ask the project community as a whole for more ideas if you really have none |
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| 22:21.41 | sinhayash | Sorry got disconnected |
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| 22:23.50 | sinhayash | Turl: I did elaborate then |
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| 22:24.03 | Turl | sinhayash: so what's the problem? |
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| 22:26.04 | sinhayash | Turl: I just want to convince him, that it cannot be done better now, may be in near future it can be |
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| 22:26.40 | Turl | sinhayash: and why is that? |
| 22:26.52 | Turl | sinhayash: fix it as a gsoc project if it's gonna take so long :) |
| 22:27.00 | Turl | I need to go, I'll be back later |
| 22:27.06 | sinhayash | Ok |
| 22:28.16 | sinhayash | Ya this can be :) May be he wants just an idea of how I'm gonna do this in summer |
| 22:28.22 | sinhayash | Thanks Turl |
| 22:28.27 | sinhayash | You made my day |
| 22:30.21 | sinhayash | carols, olly, Probably I need rest now.. so that I understand what mentor wants to convey.. :) Thanks for helping |
| 22:30.24 | carols | cheers |
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