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05:15.28 | EdwardCheng | Hi, I'm writting a proposal, public it would be better? or make visibility private? |
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05:27.57 | rajul | hi all.... |
05:28.04 | rajul | i have submitted my proposal |
05:28.13 | rajul | and put its visibility as public |
05:28.37 | rajul | but still it asks me to log in to view it using a google account everytime i try to log it... |
05:28.57 | rajul | my organisation's people are unable to view it..... |
05:29.02 | rajul | what is the problem?? |
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05:40.06 | LelouchPF | Hi all :) |
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05:40.50 | LelouchPF | I have a question, did you have a problem for the select country when you create student profil ? |
05:41.19 | rajul | LelouchPF: no |
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05:42.17 | LelouchPF | :/ |
05:42.42 | LelouchPF | I have a problem when I select "Polynesia (French)" :/ |
05:42.57 | thiago | the problem is the parentheses |
05:43.10 | thiago | type manually: French Polynesia |
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05:43.35 | LelouchPF | I will try but it"s a <select> |
05:44.57 | LelouchPF | not work :/ |
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05:51.05 | Niharika | LelouchPF: Is there an ¨Others¨ option? |
05:51.10 | rnat | i cannot see my proposal in list of proposals , is this normal? eventhough the data was submitted successfully? |
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05:51.24 | Niharika | LelouchPF: Or better, ask in #melange. |
05:51.36 | Niharika | rnat: No,not normal. You should see it there. |
05:51.49 | Niharika | Where are you looking at the list? |
05:52.00 | rnat | should i resubmit then? |
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05:52.58 | Niharika | rnat: Yes, I guess you should. |
05:53.06 | rnat | ok |
05:53.24 | LelouchPF | not "others" option |
05:53.51 | LelouchPF | I try in #melange thanks :) |
05:55.21 | rnat | how do i insert an image into the proposal using gsoc website |
05:56.13 | rnat | insert image option needs image url .. well the image is in my box.. |
05:56.29 | Niharika | rnat: Upload it to imgur.com and give the link. |
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07:46.55 | sss | hello, can anybody tell me that as a proof of enrollment can I provide student ID with enrollment dates hand written i.e. only dates are in not printable form everything else is.. |
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07:51.27 | olly | !proof | sss |
07:51.27 | gsocbot | sss: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
07:52.08 | sss | gsocbot: I read that, that |
07:52.23 | sss | that's why I'm having doubt |
07:52.54 | sss | I've an ID in which date is hand written |
07:52.59 | olly | sss: including the bit about "Rather than ask questions" ? |
07:53.17 | olly | it doesn't say dates can't be handwritten |
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07:53.39 | olly | it also says to submit and if there's an issue they'll get back to you |
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07:54.04 | sss | olly: ok, and yes can it be a clicked photo from mobile |
07:54.24 | olly | sss: I have no idea, but the page doesn't say it can't be |
07:54.35 | olly | therefore... |
07:54.44 | sss | ok, thanks |
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07:58.02 | olly | sss: make sure it's legible though (in focus, etc) |
07:58.48 | sss | olly: ya, ofcourse |
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08:03.06 | dufferzafar | I uploaded my proof 2/3 days ago, I haven't been contacted, does that mean it's okay? |
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08:04.49 | olly | dufferzafar: or it hasn't been checked yet |
08:04.58 | olly | no need to worry either way |
08:05.18 | dufferzafar | alright! |
08:05.43 | dufferzafar | I dont think I am being accepted, anyways... :/ |
08:07.03 | olly | work hard on your proposal, get it submitted as early as you can and respond promptly to feedback from the org |
08:07.13 | sss | are we getting any kinda acknowledgement on receipt of proof |
08:07.14 | olly | ho hum |
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09:03.14 | aka_ | if there is no format specified by any organisation, is there any specific guidelines or a rough format for the proposals for gsoc? |
09:05.07 | olly | !studentguide | aka |
09:05.07 | gsocbot | olly: Error: No such user. |
09:05.10 | olly | !studentguide | aka_ |
09:05.10 | gsocbot | aka_: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
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09:05.18 | olly | there are some sample proposals in there |
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09:36.18 | CharlesHsia | hello everyone, if I submit my proposal, can I modify it? |
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09:37.19 | Niharika | CharlesHsia: Yes, you can. |
09:39.50 | CharlesHsia | Can I submit proposal after 21, Mar? |
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09:41.40 | madrazr | CharlesHsia: of course not |
09:41.52 | madrazr | CharlesHsia: March 21st is a hard stop |
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09:42.39 | madrazr | CharlesHsia: also you should be aware of the fact that it is always dangerous to even wait until the last minute |
09:42.52 | madrazr | thanks to Uncle Murphy, bad things always happen in the last minute |
09:43.17 | madrazr | also our experience has shown that our system (Melange) goes through high traffic during the last few minutes of submission deadline |
09:43.56 | madrazr | and students in the past have complained about not being able to reach the website at that time |
09:44.19 | CharlesHsia | yeah, thanks a lot |
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09:48.39 | olly | CharlesHsia: if you submit your proposal in plenty of time, the org can give you useful feedback and you can then improve it |
09:48.46 | olly | the proposals are editable until the deadline |
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09:50.03 | CharlesHsia | all right, Im writing my proposal |
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10:01.06 | ishitva | Hello all , I want to ask can I submit the application in PDF form ? |
10:01.31 | olly | ishitva: needs to be HTML |
10:01.32 | Ivanovic | ishitva: this does not make much sense |
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10:01.40 | Ivanovic | ishitva: the orgs will ask you for updates |
10:01.51 | ishitva | Okay |
10:01.51 | Ivanovic | (and changes) |
10:02.12 | ishitva | Once I submit we can change our applicatioon contents later on ? |
10:02.29 | Ivanovic | yes, changes are possible |
10:02.41 | ishitva | I have written my application in .doc format , so will it do ? |
10:02.44 | Ivanovic | after the 21st the org will probably have to review the proposal and then actively allow changes |
10:02.56 | Ivanovic | copy the stuff into the web interface and keep it in there |
10:03.03 | Ivanovic | no need to a .doc or .pdf |
10:03.06 | ishitva | Okay |
10:03.09 | Ivanovic | you will not print and mail things! |
10:03.16 | ishitva | Okay , yes ! |
10:03.50 | ishitva | my application is of 5 pages . I hope it is acceptable ? |
10:04.01 | Ivanovic | ask your org! |
10:04.06 | ishitva | Okay |
10:04.09 | Ivanovic | you should be communicating with them about the content |
10:04.19 | Ivanovic | they will tell you what they expect and how you should enhance things |
10:04.23 | ishitva | I have followed the application template they have provided . |
10:04.33 | Ivanovic | still you should talk to them |
10:04.42 | ishitva | Okay , so can I send a copy of the draft to my menotrs in advance for a feedback ? |
10:04.45 | panzone | ishitva: depends. You wrote 5 pages, ok, but what are in this 5 pages xD ? |
10:04.47 | Ivanovic | this application is no case of fire and forget |
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10:05.07 | ishitva | okay |
10:05.08 | Ivanovic | you can also submit to the google tracker and then ask the folks for feedback |
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10:05.16 | Ivanovic | use the normal communication channels the org has |
10:05.26 | ishitva | How do I access google tracker ? |
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10:05.40 | Ivanovic | many orgs will expect you to communicate with them as if you were a normal developer, meaning using irc, mailinglists or whatever the org uses |
10:05.45 | Ivanovic | google-melange.com |
10:05.54 | ishitva | panzone: Everything which they had specified in their template |
10:05.54 | Ivanovic | that is the google provided tracker for gsoc |
10:06.02 | ishitva | Ivanovic: Okay |
10:06.07 | panzone | ishtva: sure, you should send to your org. For example i published my proposal as public and ask on irc and mailin lists for feedback |
10:06.19 | ishitva | Okay |
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10:06.44 | Ivanovic | at least 75% of being accepted is your communication with the org and how you improve the proposel over time based on feedback |
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10:07.26 | ishitva | Okay .How good are my chances of getting selected if I have submitted three patches already for that project ? |
10:07.47 | Ivanovic | submitting patches definitely helps |
10:08.01 | Ivanovic | but in the end it comes down to you working together with the org and communicating with them |
10:08.17 | ishitva | Okay , and I wanted to ask the time period of coding , is it 12 weeks in total ? |
10:08.26 | olly | 13 weeks |
10:08.28 | Ivanovic | !timeline |
10:08.28 | gsocbot | Ivanovic: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
10:08.36 | Ivanovic | ishitva: there is the timeline |
10:08.46 | ishitva | Okay |
10:08.58 | ishitva | Let me check |
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10:24.34 | ishitva | Ivanovic: Which file do we have to upload for the Enrollment form ? |
10:24.51 | Ivanovic | ishitva: some kind of proof that you are a student |
10:25.10 | Ivanovic | so if you have some kind of "proof of enrollment": scan or photograph it and upload that |
10:25.12 | ishitva | I have already uploaded the prrof of enrollment . |
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10:25.40 | Ivanovic | then you should have a huge link on the frontpage where you can submit your proposal |
10:25.51 | waldi | do they ask much earlier now for this information? |
10:25.51 | Ivanovic | there you just select your org and fill in the provided fields |
10:26.05 | Ivanovic | (i don't know the interface there so i can't provide you with detailed help) |
10:26.09 | ishitva | No it doesn't appear |
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10:26.22 | ishitva | Maybe my prrof of enrollment did't get accepted ? |
10:26.37 | waldi | what does not appear? |
10:27.15 | ishitva | The form to fill in the proposal |
10:29.17 | ishitva | But I had uploaded the scans of my enrollement form three days back |
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10:29.42 | Ivanovic | did you receive a message from google that you need to provide something else / more? |
10:29.48 | ishitva | No |
10:29.52 | Ivanovic | for example a translated version of the proof? |
10:30.05 | ishitva | I din't get any message |
10:30.06 | Ivanovic | then go to http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2014 |
10:30.24 | Ivanovic | can you make a screenshot of that one and upload it to http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add ? |
10:30.33 | Ivanovic | on that page you should have some way to submit your proposal |
10:31.08 | ishitva | Let me upload the screenshot , it was in two parts , the fron and the back |
10:31.14 | waldi | did you read http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
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10:32.32 | ishitva | Yes I did |
10:35.17 | ishitva | Ivanovic: On My profile page it says that No form has been submitted. |
10:35.27 | Ivanovic | then you did not submit it! |
10:35.38 | ishitva | I had submitted it . |
10:35.40 | Ivanovic | at least not in a format with which the google tracker can work |
10:35.52 | ishitva | I uploaded the zip file |
10:35.56 | ishitva | in which two scans were there |
10:36.36 | Ivanovic | resubmit it and use a filename which only uses small letters and numbers, no spaces, no non ascii chars |
10:37.04 | ishitva | Oh |
10:37.15 | ishitva | I had used underscores |
10:37.16 | Ivanovic | once the document is recognized as "something was submitted" you should automatically be able to see the button |
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10:37.21 | ishitva | okay |
10:37.34 | Ivanovic | "Clicking on "Upload" link takes you to a page where you can upload your document(s). After submission you will be able to see the name of the file you just uploaded." |
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10:37.38 | Ivanovic | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
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10:37.46 | Ivanovic | get to that stage and everything should be fine |
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10:38.16 | ishitva | Okay let me try again |
10:39.15 | froggy | If i am not a college student right now as i completed bachelors in 2013 , and my masters admission dates are not yet announced (maybe last week april or may ) can i apply in this gsoc ? |
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10:39.57 | Ivanovic | froggy: this sounds like a problematic corner case |
10:40.07 | froggy | yeah |
10:40.20 | froggy | my mentor insists i apply .. |
10:40.24 | Ivanovic | honestly, i don't know and you will probably have to ask someone from google |
10:40.25 | froggy | i submitted codes etc |
10:40.40 | froggy | and now i saw sometihn abt eligibility |
10:40.49 | froggy | etc and so realy sad |
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10:43.56 | froggy | who am i supposed to ask ? Due to this I have not even submitted my proposal |
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10:45.12 | ishitva | Ivanovic: I reuploaded the zip files this time now the application form does appear . |
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10:45.26 | Ivanovic | so something went wrong with the initial upload |
10:45.32 | ishitva | yes |
10:45.38 | Ivanovic | froggy: you probably got to ask carols what to do |
10:45.45 | ishitva | I had underscores in its name and also capital letters |
10:45.47 | froggy | I sent her an email |
10:45.49 | ishitva | was that a problem ? |
10:45.59 | Ivanovic | froggy: that is you could try to upload some proof that you submitted your application to the master program |
10:46.07 | Ivanovic | ishitva: no idea |
10:46.20 | ishitva | Or maybe the documents were not acceptable |
10:46.24 | froggy | ok |
10:46.39 | ishitva | Ivanovic: in my case I have uploaded the front and backside of my college ID card |
10:46.40 | Ivanovic | froggy: which email address did you use? |
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10:47.17 | froggy | carols |
10:47.25 | froggy | @gogle.com |
10:47.26 | ishitva | but the backside doesn't mention my name is the place which mentions that my card is vaid upto August 2014 |
10:47.35 | Ivanovic | froggy: wrong address |
10:47.41 | Ivanovic | froggy: carols@google.com is someone else |
10:47.47 | froggy | oh ! |
10:47.50 | froggy | what ?? |
10:48.07 | Ivanovic | hmm, no, wait, that is the address she is using on the ML |
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10:48.14 | Ivanovic | i thought i heard someone else had that address... |
10:48.25 | froggy | yeah . i got the address from here only |
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10:54.37 | ishitva | Ivanovic: again on my profile page it is coming that no form has been submitted . |
10:55.21 | Ivanovic | ishitva: no idea what is up there, send a mail for support to carols / the mailing list or ask the folks in #melange |
10:55.30 | ishitva | Okay |
10:55.39 | Ivanovic | that is: they should know what might be up there, so best to ask in #melange |
10:55.45 | ishitva | sure |
10:57.20 | ishitva | Ivanovic: May I know carol's email id ? |
10:57.35 | Ivanovic | ishitva: first ask the folks in #melange |
10:57.45 | ishitva | Okay , I have posted my query there |
10:57.46 | Ivanovic | ishitva: they are the ones who know the system |
10:57.48 | Ivanovic | then wait |
10:57.52 | ishitva | Okay |
10:58.10 | Ivanovic | the 'r' in 'irc' does *not* stand for 'realtime' |
10:58.11 | Ivanovic | ;) |
10:58.58 | ishitva | okay :P |
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11:03.48 | olly | Ivanovic: her email address is carols@google.com |
11:04.20 | olly | there was some speculation here as to who *carlos*@google.com might be and how much gsoc email he gets |
11:04.35 | Ivanovic | ah, right, it was this strange carlos dude |
11:04.38 | olly | perhaps that's what you misread? |
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11:05.34 | olly | if froggy's potentially not accepted until may, then that certainly isn't eligible |
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11:06.06 | olly | the requirement to submit proof now is a problem for students who would have it by april 21st though |
11:07.21 | olly | though it's only really a change if you somehow knew you'd definitely get accepted, but just couldn't show it yet |
11:07.42 | olly | otherwise in previous years you'd just be applying and hoping you got accepted somewhere |
11:07.50 | olly | and if not, end up dropping out |
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11:08.53 | olly | i suspect that's the sort of thing which made people ask for this change at the summit last year |
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11:29.27 | ishitva | Ivanovic: how will I get to know whether my proof of enrollment is acceptable or not ? |
11:29.46 | ishitva | I have read the page on it . |
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11:30.25 | ishitva | and I feel that my scans are acceptable , but do they give any confirmation about the accepted docs ? |
11:30.36 | olly | ishitva: no, only if they aren't |
11:30.38 | Ivanovic | they will notify you if the documents are not okay |
11:30.45 | Ivanovic | in all other cases you will not hear from them |
11:30.47 | ishitva | okay |
11:31.03 | Ivanovic | if there is a problem with the upload not working as expected: talk to the folks in #melange, they should be able to support you |
11:31.33 | ishitva | yes I have posted my messsage there , but they are not respnoding |
11:31.49 | olly | ishitva: be patient |
11:31.55 | ishitva | okay |
11:32.12 | Ivanovic | many of the folks in there live in the US |
11:32.16 | Ivanovic | it is like 4am over there |
11:32.22 | Ivanovic | so relax, drink some tea and wait |
11:32.24 | ishitva | Oh |
11:32.29 | ishitva | Sure :) |
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12:27.29 | aktech | hello everyone! |
12:27.57 | santileortiz | Hello! |
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12:28.07 | aktech | I am a newbie programmer in C/C |
12:28.12 | aktech | C |
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12:28.15 | aktech | C++ |
12:29.23 | aktech | Shall, I try this year or I should build my skills for the next year? As I am unable to guess how could I code for the numerous projects I have seen. |
12:29.42 | jbisch | !amigoodenough |
12:29.43 | gsocbot | jbisch: "amigoodenough" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/ |
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12:31.02 | aktech | as, I am not getting how to would I implement those features mentioned in the projects.. |
12:32.39 | aktech | can anyone help? |
12:33.54 | santileortiz | well, I am thinking of applying too, and as i have read that does not matter much, how much programming experience do you have? |
12:34.37 | VarunAgw | Is writing "Schedule of Deliverables" is highly recommended? I am writing a proposal in which it is optional and I don't want to write it. |
12:34.55 | aktech | I have not done it enough, except for the two semester.. i studied it |
12:35.20 | jbisch | VarunAgw: It is good to have a schedule, so you know if you are behind, or moving faster than anticipated. |
12:35.32 | darnir | VarunAgw: You should ask that to your organization |
12:36.05 | VarunAgw | jbisch, Actually, I want to create a schedule after I get selected |
12:36.42 | darnir | VarunAgw: You should be discussing this with your mentor. Only he/she can tell you what they expect |
12:37.15 | VarunAgw | darnir, Ok, I'll try talking with them. |
12:37.53 | VarunAgw | darnir, In the case they say it is optional, should I create one or not? |
12:38.12 | santileortiz | well, aktech i think that's why you get to talk with your mentor, ideas proposed by each organization are thought by people who develops the application, so they even might have an idea on how to implement it over which you would elaborate |
12:39.08 | jbisch | VarunAgw: Maybe you can indicate that you plan on making one, if you don't want to make one at this point. |
12:39.41 | aktech | ok, i will try... though i have not done enough programming except for the semester course programs.. |
12:40.07 | VarunAgw | jbisch, Will this affect my chance of selection negatively? What do you think? |
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12:40.36 | jbisch | VarunAgw: I have no idea, I'm just another student. Your organization would know. Ask the mentor. |
12:40.53 | darnir | As a mentor, if I had a student who did not bother writing a timeline in his proposal, I'd outright reject them. |
12:41.06 | santileortiz | what language did you learn, and are projects you want to work on related to this language? |
12:41.09 | darnir | But that's just me |
12:42.43 | santileortiz | darnir, what would you expect to be in the timeline? i mean, how detailed or what kind of information... |
12:43.06 | VarunAgw | Ok, I got my answer. I should write a timeline |
12:43.07 | aktech | I learnt C Language & Learning c++/Java. And I want to work on projects related to c/c++. I have seen an org.. "Samba" for this.. |
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12:43.22 | jbisch | santileortiz: I broke it down by week for my proposal. |
12:43.39 | jbisch | santileortiz: like, 1 week for this, 2 for that. |
12:43.46 | darnir | santileortiz: It depends on your work and you should ideally discuss this with your mentor. |
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12:44.24 | darnir | THe point is, writing a fine grained timeline shows that you have really thought through the process |
12:44.45 | darnir | Also, it allows you to realize some facts/ideas that you wouldn't have otherwise. |
12:45.12 | santileortiz | do you mean discussing that with who would be your mentor before making your application? |
12:45.37 | darnir | Yes. Usually you'd send a copy of your proposal to the mailing list for review. |
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12:45.45 | darnir | Or however your organization would like it. |
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12:46.04 | darnir | Later your mentors can always give you feedback and you can edit it once it has been uploaded on Melange |
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12:51.56 | santileortiz | sorry but, what is Melange? |
12:52.10 | darnir | The website? |
12:52.13 | VarunAgw | GSOC site |
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12:55.12 | santileortiz | oh yes yes didn't read the url before |
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13:07.27 | jjs1 | I just noticed that I'm eligible to be a student in GSoC this year. :-o |
13:07.39 | jjs1 | Don't panic mr Mainwaring! |
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13:21.57 | radsaggi | hello, where can I find a link to my public profile, given that I have signed up? |
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13:24.20 | spyder | what is the minimum amount of programming experience should one have to join summer code |
13:24.37 | jbisch | radsaggi: My dashboard -> Proposals |
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13:24.59 | jbisch | !amigoodenough | spyder |
13:25.00 | gsocbot | spyder: "amigoodenough" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/ |
13:25.58 | radsaggi | jbisch: so if I give that link to someone, he/she will be able to see my proposals and public details? |
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13:27.02 | jbisch | radsaggi: If you selected public visibility when creating your proposal. Try it out by logging out and going to the link. |
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14:08.12 | srichakradhar | what happens if more than one applicant give similar kind of proposals? |
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14:10.09 | Ivanovic | srichakradhar: the same that happens when there are more students than slots |
14:10.22 | Ivanovic | some get a slot, others not |
14:11.02 | srichakradhar | I mean, will more than one student be accepted for the same task? |
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14:11.18 | Ivanovic | depends on the orgs and how overlapping the proposals really are |
14:11.18 | srichakradhar | are we gonna work in groups or individually? |
14:11.20 | uchihaitachi | Ivanovic: Could you please elaborate on the 'slots' thing? |
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14:11.29 | Ivanovic | you are going to work individually |
14:11.40 | Ivanovic | uchihaitachi: orgs can only mentor a specific number of students |
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14:11.48 | Ivanovic | and the number of students overall in gsoc is limited |
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14:12.03 | Ivanovic | so the orgs request a number of slots (students to mentor) and get a number from google |
14:12.07 | uchihaitachi | What is the criteria for ao |
14:12.15 | Ivanovic | if an org e.g. gets 5 slots, they can mentor 5 students |
14:12.23 | Ivanovic | the criteria are: |
14:12.28 | Ivanovic | 1) orgs requested from orgs |
14:12.35 | srichakradhar | to be specific, are the modules written by one student gonna depend on (or) gonna be in parallel to those written by others? |
14:12.42 | Ivanovic | ehm, slots requested by orgs |
14:12.50 | Ivanovic | 2) number of proposals submitted to orgs |
14:12.59 | Ivanovic | srichakradhar: depends on the org |
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14:13.16 | Ivanovic | srichakradhar: most orgs will not have students work in parallel on basically the same |
14:13.32 | Ivanovic | srichakradhar: but if you talk to the org you are interested in they are likely going to tell you |
14:13.36 | uchihaitachi | Ivanovic: thank you. |
14:13.38 | srichakradhar | okay |
14:13.54 | Ivanovic | uchihaitachi: e.g. a new and small org is unlikely to get more than one or two slots |
14:14.11 | Ivanovic | a huge umbrella org like the python foundation on the other hand is more likely to get some 30 slots |
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14:14.22 | Ivanovic | but the orgs of course also have matching amounts of proposals |
14:14.42 | Ivanovic | that is: getting accepted in gsoc does *NOT* depend on chances |
14:14.54 | Ivanovic | it completely depends on how you behave and get your proposal done |
14:14.54 | Niharika | !chances |
14:14.55 | gsocbot | Niharika: "chances" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
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14:20.46 | uchihaitachi | I know that it varies from one org to another but what is the general format of questions that org will be asking during the selection process?7 |
14:21.01 | uchihaitachi | I mean when the application period is over. |
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15:03.00 | rohit-dua | Hi. just submitted my enrolment form.. Where do I submit my proposal? |
15:03.15 | rohit-dua | on melange.. |
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15:04.22 | dfighter | main page |
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15:15.11 | gsocbot | tachyons: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
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15:17.46 | gsocbot | rihbyne: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
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15:50.34 | sumanah | vkmc: hey, do I know you from OpenStack? |
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15:52.22 | vkmc | sumanah, You do! I'm a former OPW OpenStack intern |
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15:53.14 | sumanah | vkmc: :) how are things going? I still point to your OpenStack overview when I want people to understand OpenStack or what is possible with informal overview documentation |
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15:54.17 | vkmc | sumanah, All good! :) You? I'm really glad to hear that, I hope I can update that post soon... there has been a lot going on with OpenStack |
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15:55.12 | vkmc | Now I'm working on my proposal for GSoC in OpenStack :) |
15:55.34 | sumanah | vkmc: Rock. :) Good luck. |
15:55.38 | vkmc | Last college year, I'm trying to make the best of it |
15:55.58 | sumanah | Totally makes sense. Has anyone from OpenStack already looked at your proposal? |
15:56.14 | vkmc | sumanah, Thanks! I'm excited about it |
15:56.37 | sumanah | Last night I was a nerd in public and was reading an O'Reilly book just before a stand-up comedy show. :) It happened to be on my lap when one of the comedians appeared on the stage, and I was in the front row. So he asked me "What are RESTful web APIs?" |
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15:56.46 | sumanah | I stammered out something about programming and web architecture but said "It would take a long time and I sort of don't want to go into it at length right now" |
15:56.48 | sumanah | o now I am trying to think -- how would I explain RESTful web APIs, in like 2 sentences, the next time someone asks me that question? (since I am like 1/3 of the way through the book and will probably keep reading it in public, after all) |
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15:57.28 | vkmc | sumanah, Yeah, fortunately I'm having a great communication with the project mentor |
15:57.35 | sumanah | oh that's great! |
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15:58.47 | vkmc | Haha totally understand that feeling, it's quite hard to summarize such a complex concept |
15:58.58 | sumanah | YES |
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15:59.32 | sumanah | Someone ELSE saw me reading the book and asked "what's an API?" and I said "it's the way programs talk to other programs" which I think is an okay simplification |
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16:00.05 | vkmc | It is yeah :) |
16:00.16 | vkmc | But often that kind of questions leave you thinking |
16:00.21 | sumanah | You're right |
16:00.33 | sumanah | My mother said - teaching is learning twice. The learner learns and the teacher learns as well |
16:01.36 | vkmc | Absolutely! :) |
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16:02.14 | fischerm | export control |
16:02.34 | sumanah | fischerm: could you elaborate on that? |
16:02.39 | vkmc | I was reading about a presentation earlier today... https://speakerdeck.com/selenamarie/what-beginners-teach-us-passion-projects |
16:02.50 | fischerm | sumanah: lol my scrollback was like some days old |
16:02.56 | fischerm | I fail at irc |
16:03.04 | sumanah | fischerm: :) it's okay. |
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16:03.12 | vkmc | Is a great presentation about this topics |
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16:14.35 | Ajish_ | Hi I had a couple of doubts |
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16:14.50 | sumanah | Hi Ajish_ - please share them |
16:14.53 | sumanah | so we can resolve them :) |
16:14.56 | Ajish_ | I had a couple of proposals |
16:15.15 | Ajish_ | but don't exactly know who to select as mentor |
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16:15.23 | EdwardCheng | Hi, what Visibility affect? |
16:15.33 | sumanah | EdwardCheng: have you already looked in the FAQ? |
16:15.36 | sumanah | !faq | EdwardCheng |
16:15.37 | gsocbot | EdwardCheng: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page |
16:16.00 | sumanah | Ajish_: OK. So have you asked "who's interested in mentoring this project?" in the open source community you're interested in? Via their mailing list? |
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16:16.34 | Ajish_ | Nope not yet |
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16:16.44 | Ajish_ | can you help me with it |
16:16.54 | sumanah | Ajish_: Why haven't you asked yet? :) Do you need help writing that email? |
16:17.00 | novochen | Ajish_, you have to do it yourself |
16:17.11 | sumanah | novochen: Right, but we can help with the prose :) |
16:17.13 | Ajish_ | Nope I can manage that ;) |
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16:17.21 | novochen | yes, sumanah |
16:17.24 | Ajish_ | what i wanted to know was the mailing list |
16:17.29 | Ajish_ | which 1 do I use |
16:17.37 | sumanah | Ajish_: Have you looked at http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch014_communication-best-practices/ ? |
16:17.38 | Ajish_ | which would help me |
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16:18.00 | umccullough | the mentor can be changed later I think |
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16:18.34 | sumanah | Ajish_: That page, as well as http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch013_open-source-culture/ , will help you. :-) Which open source projects are you interested in contributing to? |
16:18.59 | EdwardCheng | I just think public it would be better.... And I public my subject, |
16:19.16 | Ajish_ | The thing is have a couple of ideas |
16:19.44 | Ajish_ | 1 related to kernel network stack and anouther related to videos |
16:20.00 | Ajish_ | but am not able to decide who to meintion as mentor |
16:20.17 | Ajish_ | so wanted to know how i could find interested mentors maybe |
16:20.21 | sumanah | Ajish_: So, think from a potential mentor's point of view. What do you think they want? |
16:20.30 | Ajish_ | before I draft a proposal for the same |
16:20.56 | Ajish_ | is there a common mailing list I can mail to |
16:21.10 | Ajish_ | asking if any1 interested in the project |
16:21.16 | sumanah | listens and waits for Ajish_ to answer her question :-) |
16:21.45 | Ajish_ | then maybe draft proposal to only those mentors |
16:22.15 | Ajish_ | They would like to hear my idea |
16:22.19 | Ajish_ | maybe |
16:22.28 | Ajish_ | from metors point of view |
16:22.39 | Ajish_ | *mentor's |
16:22.42 | sumanah | Ajish_: What do you think they want out of GSoC? |
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16:23.35 | Ajish_ | Maybe good ideas an implementations |
16:23.54 | Ajish_ | and also interns who can help implement their ideas |
16:23.54 | sumanah | (I am asking questions like this because you are trying to persuade someone to want to mentor you, and to persuade someone, you need to think about what they want so you can give them that.) |
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16:24.16 | Ajish_ | I understand |
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16:24.22 | Ajish_ | your point |
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16:25.04 | sumanah | Ajish_: In the long run, they want *their open source projects to improve* - they want a bigger community of consistent contributors, they want better code and more features and fewer open bugs, and they want more users. |
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16:25.19 | Ajish_ | Correct |
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16:25.48 | sumanah | And they see GSoC as a way to get to that goal, by getting people like you interested in contributing *for the long term*. And they are more interested in having colleagues who are resourceful and who learn quickly and who communicate well, and who write good code. |
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16:27.13 | sumanah | Ajish_: So, to demonstrate that you have genuine interests in these projects, you would join the developer's mailing list for each project, and make first contact. http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch006_making-first-contact/ |
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16:28.06 | Ajish_ | Okies |
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16:28.44 | Ajish_ | Ok I get your point |
16:28.47 | Ajish_ | 1 more thing |
16:29.01 | Ajish_ | there was 1 project of twitter that am interested in |
16:29.13 | Ajish_ | Do they have a irc chat node |
16:29.23 | Ajish_ | where maybe i can talk to the mentors |
16:29.27 | Ajish_ | of the project |
16:30.34 | sumanah | Probably! Ajish_ have you checked the idea page of that mentoring org for this info? |
16:30.53 | Ajish_ | Yes have |
16:30.56 | Ajish_ | read through it |
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16:31.08 | Ajish_ | and kinda liked ot |
16:31.10 | Ajish_ | *it |
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16:31.26 | Ajish_ | but they haven't mentioned any mailing llist or chat nodes |
16:31.37 | Niharika | Ajish_: You´ll most probably find their IRC channel listed there, if they have one. Which org? |
16:31.51 | Ajish_ | Twitter |
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16:33.12 | sumanah | gotta go. see ya later |
16:33.16 | Niharika | Ajish_: They have a mailing list, https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/twitter-gsoc |
16:33.39 | Ajish_ | Thanx a lot |
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16:37.38 | zaynetro | hi, I am new to GSoC, is there any limitation on proposals or you can only propose only one? |
16:38.08 | TCD | up to 5 |
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16:43.17 | Tony_ | Hello everyone,nice to meet you! |
16:43.39 | EdwardCheng | Withdrawn subjects included? or not? |
16:45.08 | Niharika | Hello Tony_! Nice to meet you too. |
16:45.58 | Tony_ | I wonder that as a student in embeded system like MCU can have a chance to join the SOC?I want to try something new in a pure software project |
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16:47.14 | EdwardCheng | Sorry... But the limit 5 contain Withdrawn subjects? |
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16:48.21 | Niharika | Tony_ I suppose the only criterion is you have to be a student in an ¨accredited¨ university. Refer to the FAQs for more information. |
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16:54.07 | Tony_ | Thank you Niharika, I have read the the FAQ.But I do not have a confindent in submit an purpose, student here must be genius, I don not have much experience in pure software project, all I familiar language is hardware level C in Mirco Central Unit. |
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16:55.18 | Niharika | Tony_: There is no need for a student to be a genius. You just need to be hardworking and confident. :) |
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16:55.32 | Niharika | Did you find any project you find interesting yet? |
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17:00.49 | Tony_ | Thank you, Niharika. I found some project relate to my majoy, I actually a master student of engineering in electronics and communications engineering, but I'd like to try some project new but they need some other code language,I'm not sure that I can get their accept. |
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17:02.15 | Tony_ | Niharika, are you a mentor? |
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17:03.21 | VaticanCameos | Tony_: Niharika's connection just died I think. |
17:03.40 | EdwardCheng | Thanks. |
17:03.49 | VaticanCameos | And you don't have to be a genius. You just have to have confidence in yourself, and that confidence should show on your proposal. |
17:04.23 | Tony_ | Thank you , EdwardCheng |
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17:09.06 | CFS-MP3 | Don't confuse being confident with being cocky though |
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17:57.59 | darnir | Darn, what is wrong with some of these applicants? |
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17:58.30 | darnir | I just got a mail with a CV attached. In a proprietary format. For a project at GNU! |
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18:00.26 | CFS-MP3 | :-D |
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18:02.09 | teepee | darnir: it's what they teach in lots of schools, I guess |
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18:02.42 | tnkhanh | hi |
18:02.44 | darnir | teepee: I can understand a CV. But in a proprietary format? To GNU!? |
18:02.51 | darnir | tnkhanh: Hi! |
18:03.20 | darnir | That essentially tells me that he doesn't understand the whole concept of Free Software at all. |
18:03.29 | teepee | darnir: it's sad, but they might not have much contact with GNU before |
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18:04.12 | teepee | yeah, I guess that's mainly the reason, but gsoc might help to change that for at least some people :) |
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18:04.37 | tnkhanh | is it ok to enroll now |
18:05.07 | tnkhanh | i only have 2012-2013 admission proof :-/ |
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18:06.19 | jbisch | !proof | tnkhanh |
18:06.20 | gsocbot | tnkhanh: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
18:06.26 | teepee | tnkhanh: yes, with up-to-date proof |
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18:07.37 | darnir | teepee: Maybe. I hopeit does. Open Source projects sure do need more developers. |
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18:08.20 | teepee | darnir: yes, that's for sure. and also more collaboration I think |
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18:08.56 | Dragooon | darnir: Proprietary as in MS-Word or something the student created? |
18:10.37 | darnir | teepee: Amen to that! |
18:10.46 | darnir | Dragooon: MS Word. |
18:10.54 | Dragooon | Ohh |
18:10.59 | Dragooon | Something student created might be awesome |
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18:11.54 | Dragooon | Btw, would PDF also count as proprietary? |
18:12.09 | darnir | Not really. It's an open standard. |
18:12.35 | darnir | However, most people are not a fan of non-plaintext attachments. And neither am I |
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18:13.25 | Dragooon | It helps in case there are illustrations etc. |
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18:14.01 | joxer | hi there |
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18:15.29 | darnir | Dragooon: True. But how often do you need illustrations? I usually find putting them somewhere online and linking to them a better idea. |
18:15.38 | darnir | Hi joxer. |
18:15.48 | joxer | hi darnir |
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18:16.10 | Dragooon | darnir: Fair enough |
18:16.10 | zaynetro | how proposal works in google melange? First you need to establish connection and ask for a role, and this you will be able to post you project? |
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18:16.47 | darnir | Dragooon: But that's only me. The problem occurs when you read emails on console or through other things, say mutt. And binary formats only turn up and hundreds of screens of garbage text. |
18:17.21 | Turl | zaynetro: you register as student, upload proof of enrollment, then you can propose projects to organizations |
18:17.23 | darnir | zaynetro: No. Connections are for mentors. You simply send a proposal. |
18:17.29 | Dragooon | darnir: Yeah, I guess that'll be more prominent with core Linux organisations |
18:17.30 | VarunAgw | he he. I was browsing internet on elink today |
18:17.53 | VarunAgw | the page was messed up |
18:17.55 | Dragooon | darnir: Just for curiosity, how many first time programmers have you accepted in past years? |
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18:18.36 | darnir | VarunAgw: That often happens. But it's a lot of fun :D |
18:18.45 | flyergd | hello people |
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18:19.07 | darnir | Dragooon: I'm a first time mentor. :) But I was a first time contributor to Wget last year when I was accepted. |
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18:19.15 | darnir | hello flyergd |
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18:19.57 | flyergd | darnir: for what org are you mentoring? |
18:21.00 | darnir | GNU |
18:21.05 | zaynetro | when I was registering there were no option to register as a student, therefore it seems I created a mentor account, since now I can see on the main page which I account I want to register. Is it possible to change account type? |
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18:21.19 | pchaigno | !unmentor | zaynetro |
18:21.19 | gsocbot | zaynetro: "unmentor" is (#1) mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com and Cc: carols@google.com with your melange username (top of the page) and say you mistakenly registered as a mentor, or (#2) Or just register again with another GMail account |
18:21.29 | darnir | You're faster than I am pchaigno |
18:21.44 | VarunAgw | zaynetro, Just a note: You are not alone. |
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18:21.56 | pchaigno | darnir: :-) |
18:22.01 | darnir | ^ True that. It's a common issue every year! |
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18:22.30 | darnir | Also the reason, we have a factoid for the same. :P |
18:22.54 | VarunAgw | From two days I am noticing mainly two questions |
18:22.57 | pchaigno | why don't they add a way to delete the profil? |
18:23.02 | VarunAgw | A) I have registered as mentor |
18:23.14 | VarunAgw | B) Where is link to submit proposal |
18:23.42 | darnir | VarunAgw: Welcome to #gsoc. This is what you will often see here at this time. |
18:24.09 | darnir | Also, later there will be requests for reviewing proposals. And then it will all be quiet till the next year |
18:24.11 | zaynetro | thank you all |
18:24.26 | VarunAgw | Thanks, but I am here from previous 20-25 days |
18:24.33 | darnir | I know. I was joking :P |
18:24.41 | flyergd | KolibriOS|yogev: afk? |
18:24.52 | KolibriOS|yogev | flyergd: No, here |
18:25.48 | flyergd | KolibriOS|yogev: well hello, I talked to you a couple days ago and you told me that you guys had one task in C |
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18:26.29 | KolibriOS|yogev | flyergd: Yes, porting Netsurf. It's better you join our IRC channel #kolibrios if you want to discuss it though. |
18:26.43 | flyergd | KolibriOS|yogev: I was just looking into it and I noticed that you have a qualification task as a requirement for a valid proposal |
18:27.05 | flyergd | KolibriOS|yogev: ok, just one last question then |
18:28.01 | KolibriOS|yogev | flyergd: This channel is not for specific org discussions. Please join our channel to discuss it. |
18:28.11 | flyergd | KolibriOS|yogev: ok thanks |
18:28.13 | KolibriOS|yogev | flyergd: Discussing specific org projects is offtopic here. |
18:28.22 | flyergd | KolibriOS|yogev: sorry |
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19:16.37 | trivedigaurav | parthuec: how come you are able to join #gsoc? |
19:19.03 | MisterA | trivedigaurav: he's on webchat |
19:19.08 | MisterA | parthuec: what irc client? |
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19:22.03 | parthuec | MisterA:mirc irc client |
19:22.06 | VarunAgw | parthuec, Try restarting IRC client |
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19:22.42 | VarunAgw | reinstall IRC client, check your firewall settings, restart PC, reconnect internet |
19:22.55 | darnir | parthuec: Are you within a university firewall? |
19:23.19 | darnir | I've known some universities that block IRC connections. Only webchat works in those cases. |
19:23.23 | parthuec | yes darnir: i m within a university firewall |
19:23.48 | parthuec | darnir: so is there any way to bypass it?? |
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19:24.55 | parthuec | darnir: should i tunnel using proxy server |
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19:26.49 | darnir | parthuec: You could try. I've never faced an issue personally. |
19:27.15 | darnir | Back in my university, I simply went up to the server admin and requested that the ban on IRC be lifted. It worked. |
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19:27.54 | parthuec | if i use webchat how can i create a permanent username? |
19:28.02 | darnir | I don;t think you can. |
19:29.18 | parthuec | so if the organization wants my irc username and i cannot have a permanent username what should i give?? |
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19:32.17 | MisterA | the regular username you'll be using? |
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19:32.35 | MisterA | you won't be using totally different irc nicks every time, right? |
19:33.45 | jbisch | parthuec: Why can't you have a permanent username? |
19:35.59 | ramsub07 | Hi guys, does melange support tables in the proposal ? |
19:36.14 | wiruzx | ramsub07: yes |
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19:37.02 | wiruzx | ramsub07: actually you can paste to text field HTML |
19:37.35 | ramsub07 | i need to create HTML tags and add data ? |
19:37.58 | wiruzx | hmmm |
19:39.03 | wiruzx | i mean rendered HTML, not tags. Don't sure support it tags or not |
19:39.22 | darnir | parthuec: Give the one you'll usually use. Won't be too much of a problem. |
19:39.43 | parthuec | ok |
19:39.43 | darnir | Also, you should inform them that you will probably not be as active on IRC due to these issues.. |
19:40.00 | parthuec | yup |
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19:43.03 | yellingdog | parthuec: I'm pretty sure the kiwiirc webclient allows you to identify with freenode |
19:43.58 | tonythomas | MisterA: try irccloud.com, if you want a good alternative anytime |
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20:01.39 | gsocbot | VaticanCameos: "next" is Student applications close for GSoC 2014 on 21 March, 2014 at 19:00 UTC |
20:02.12 | neXyon | if a student from outside the US is doing GSoC, can he go to the US for holidays for a week during the programming period? |
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20:03.22 | thiago | neXyon: yes |
20:03.38 | thiago | neXyon: if you are allowed to work in the US, you can even continue doing your GSoC work |
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20:03.53 | thiago | if you're not allowed to work in the US, then don't touch your code. Let your mentor know that you'll take a full week off. |
20:04.00 | neXyon | thiago: ah ok, but if you're not allowed, you can't continue during that period, right? |
20:04.02 | neXyon | ok |
20:04.21 | gauravb7090 | how to submit proposal for gsoc? |
20:04.52 | gevaerts | Well, I'd argue that *technially* you can continue work, but I'd also recommend against trying to explain this in a situation that involves governments |
20:04.53 | gauravb7090 | pdf format |
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20:05.53 | gevaerts | gauravb7090: you can't submit a pdf proposal directly. You *can* host the pdf elsewhere and link to it from melange, but before you do that check that the organisation is fine with this |
20:06.05 | gevaerts | Some accept this, some even encourage it, but some dislike it |
20:06.11 | gauravb7090 | yeah the organisation is fine with it |
20:06.32 | gauravb7090 | but where do I need to upload…my dashboard? |
20:06.40 | flyergd | #illumos |
20:06.43 | neXyon | it's weird that you have to have a working permit, because you're not getting paid, you get an internship |
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20:07.03 | gevaerts | neXyon: huh? You *do* get paid... |
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20:07.46 | gevaerts | gauravb7090: outside of melange. Don't forget that you need *something* in melange though, or you won't have officially applied |
20:08.06 | darnir | gevaerts: It's a stipend. Not a payment. I'm no lawyer but it's not *technically* considered working |
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20:08.20 | neXyon | gevaerts: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#17._employment |
20:08.31 | dfighter | darnir, these things depend on jurisdiction |
20:08.49 | gevaerts | Well... |
20:08.59 | gevaerts | Yes, see what dfighter said :) |
20:09.03 | gauravb7090 | gevaerts: What do I need to do in melange? |
20:09.27 | dfighter | neXyon, that's from Google's perspective |
20:09.28 | darnir | dfighter: True. These laws are way to complex. I won't debate them. |
20:09.32 | dfighter | not from a legal perspective |
20:09.38 | gevaerts | gauravb7090: I'd assume that your melange proposal would consist mainly to a link to the "real" pdf proposal |
20:10.16 | dfighter | INAL but from a legal perspective, when you do some work, and get paid for it, that's work |
20:10.39 | thiago | work-for-hire |
20:11.00 | gevaerts | As I see it, the thing is that since this is open source, you can do some of the work outside of gsoc too |
20:11.00 | thiago | also part of the reason why you need to be 18 |
20:11.17 | thiago | sure |
20:11.24 | gevaerts | Which I'd argue would cover the "a week in X" situation, but I wouldn't personally risk it |
20:11.31 | darnir | dfighter: I've had a different experience. When you go somewhere for an internship. You do work and get paid. But it's not work. It's a stipend. |
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20:12.00 | dfighter | oranges and apples |
20:12.07 | dfighter | work and stipend are different categories |
20:12.14 | dfighter | stipend is a form of payment |
20:12.18 | gevaerts | darnir: either you get money or you don't. If you do, someone gives you money. Usually, that action is called "paying" |
20:12.19 | dfighter | while work is not |
20:12.21 | darnir | I meant, it's not a payment, it's a stipend. |
20:12.31 | dfighter | it is a payment... |
20:12.40 | dfighter | see what gevaerts said |
20:12.48 | darnir | Atleast immigration laws seem to differentiate them. |
20:13.03 | dfighter | in Germany where you are from |
20:13.08 | darnir | If you are being paid a stipend for an internship, you don't need a work permit. |
20:13.15 | gevaerts | darnir: they may differentiatt various forms of payment, sure |
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20:13.31 | dfighter | but it's still a payment :) |
20:13.35 | gevaerts | But "payment" is a rather generic term |
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20:13.47 | gevaerts | It doesn't imply hourly wages or a salary or anything like that |
20:13.54 | dfighter | this is also why Google cannot possible give us tax advice |
20:14.00 | darnir | true |
20:14.03 | dfighter | since different jurisdictions handle them so differently |
20:14.08 | gevaerts | It just indicates that money (usually, at least, these days) has changed hands |
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20:21.25 | vkmc | Hi all :) I'm not sure if students have to connect to the organization through Melange before sending the proposal |
20:21.45 | vkmc | Organizators told us to do that, but I cannot find that option in the Dashboard |
20:21.51 | vkmc | Any idea? |
20:22.09 | darnir | vkmc: You don't connect to the organization. That is for mentors. |
20:22.16 | gevaerts | vkmc: as far as i know, in melange terms, "connecting" is something only mentors do |
20:22.26 | darnir | You simply upload your proof of enrollment and then your proposal from the dashboard |
20:22.53 | vkmc | darnir, gevaerts Thanks for clearing that up |
20:23.28 | Dragooon | btw, how does Google pay? |
20:23.34 | Dragooon | International bank wire or do they mail you a cheque? |
20:25.15 | gevaerts | No :) |
20:25.49 | Dragooon | Does a guy come down from a chopper carrying a brief case? |
20:25.52 | gevaerts | Dragooon: the usual method (and I assume this year will be the same) is mailing a pre-paid "credit" card |
20:26.17 | Dragooon | Ah, so they mail the initial card and then recharge it? |
20:26.21 | gevaerts | Yes |
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20:26.37 | Dragooon | Ah yay. I loved the transparent card they sent with GCI, it looked so cool |
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20:27.04 | gevaerts | International cheques and bank transfers are really painful in lots of places |
20:27.25 | gevaerts | Also, cheques died out three millenia ago in most of the world :) |
20:27.59 | Dragooon | Pretty sure that's how Google Adsense used to pay until a few years ago in India |
20:28.05 | gevaerts | may have the time scale slightly wrong |
20:28.33 | Dragooon | Actually, they still do that :P |
20:28.50 | gevaerts | Well, does Google Adsense deal with every country? |
20:29.03 | Dragooon | I'm not sure, I live in India so I deal with India |
20:29.06 | gevaerts | ignores the legal thing with some countries here |
20:29.22 | Dragooon | Fairly sure AdSense is available on a very large part of the world |
20:29.36 | gevaerts | Well, yes, probably |
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20:29.49 | gevaerts | But "very large" isn't what gsoc is aiming for |
20:30.33 | gevaerts | Something like adsense, which is clearly a business venture, can probably afford to work out how to deal with payments on a country by country basis |
20:31.06 | Dragooon | Yeah, I see your point |
20:31.12 | Dragooon | I just wish we could recharge these cards |
20:31.15 | Dragooon | They're the coolest looking things |
20:31.19 | gevaerts | Well... |
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20:31.51 | gevaerts | I see what you mean, but there have been some fraud issues with them over the years which would probably make that a bad idea |
20:32.01 | gevaerts | Actually... |
20:32.23 | gevaerts | You *can* recharge them. Just pass the mid-term evaluation and new money will appear :) |
20:33.05 | Dragooon | Haha |
20:33.18 | Dragooon | Well, first I need to get selected |
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20:33.48 | gevaerts | hasn't ever been a student in the gsoc context, so the only payments he has ever dealt with are the tshirts. Those can be reused by a simple process known as "laundering" |
20:34.01 | gevaerts | I hear that's frowned upon if you do it with money though |
20:34.08 | teepee | which is not legal with money ;) |
20:34.30 | dfighter | even if it's by accident? |
20:34.38 | dfighter | like leaving some in your pants |
20:34.45 | teepee | depends on the tool you use for laundering |
20:34.55 | teepee | if it's an actual washing machine, you might be ok |
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20:35.15 | Dragooon | You can't, like, switch the physical credit card's body with a third party one right? |
20:35.29 | dfighter | what if it's a long chain of businesses in Delaware or Cyprus? |
20:35.40 | dfighter | you know it happens, every now and then |
20:36.48 | gevaerts | Dragooon: you can try swapping chips and magstripes, but the first time someone checks the number or the name of the card, you can probably expect some interaction with authorities |
20:37.01 | gevaerts | wouldn't advise doing this |
20:37.24 | Dragooon | gevaerts: I meant if I want to change the way my card looks |
20:37.40 | dfighter | usually your bank can do that btw |
20:37.54 | gevaerts | Some banks offer such fun and games, yes |
20:38.15 | dfighter | sadly here they aren't that open |
20:38.16 | gevaerts | I doubt they'd do obvious third-party branding though |
20:38.21 | dfighter | you have like 10 or so templates to choose from |
20:38.22 | dfighter | :\ |
20:38.45 | Dragooon | Coin looks pretty decent |
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21:33.30 | srjdj | <Ivanovic> I have some doubts.....can i ask ? |
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21:38.52 | srjdj | olly : hi...are you there? |
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21:39.19 | meflin | if you have a question just ask it |
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21:39.48 | Ivanovic | srjdj: uhm, i don't understand what you want to say with that... |
21:40.07 | teepee | srjdj: just ask, if anybody can help, you'll get an answer... |
21:40.53 | darnir | !ask |
21:40.53 | gsocbot | darnir: "ask" is Don't ask to ask, just ask. Also see !smartquestions. |
21:41.08 | darnir | We have a factoid for that too :D |
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21:41.55 | srjdj | I have never worked with any open source organisation......and while browsing i saw almost all organisation asks for fixing bugs.....how can i do that before knowing anything about open source |
21:42.12 | gevaerts | Well |
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21:42.29 | gevaerts | Do you know what a bug is, and what source code is? |
21:42.37 | darnir | srjdj: All you really need to know is how to program. And then it's all fine. You need to take a jump some day. Why not today? |
21:42.39 | gevaerts | If so, you know all you need to know :) |
21:43.08 | srjdj | yeah i know what is a bug and what is source code.....but then what |
21:43.28 | darnir | And that's exactly what GSoC is for. Allowing you to leap into the world of Open Source. If you don't understand something, ask for it. There's loads of people who are here to help |
21:43.41 | darnir | srjdj: Then you fix the bug. :) |
21:44.06 | srjdj | but how to get source code? |
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21:47.09 | srjdj | i was going through mentoring organisation page......and i came across a web page https://tracker.moodle.org/issues/?jql=Difficulty%20%3D%20Easy ....after that i have no idea |
21:47.23 | darnir | srjdj: You go to the org's webpage and clone their repositories. |
21:47.29 | darnir | Do read the studentguide. |
21:47.35 | darnir | !studentguide | srjdj |
21:47.35 | gsocbot | srjdj: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
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21:47.50 | dfighter | usually their webpage has instructions about how to get and build the sourcecode |
21:47.57 | dfighter | if it needs to be built ofc |
21:49.04 | sss | Hello, I want to ask one thing, that what happen when two different org. tends to hire a single student. I mean a student has submitted proposal for 2 org. and both org. want him to hire |
21:49.36 | olly | srjdj: you need to be able to get to the stage where you can implement you project in their codebase in a few months - fixing a simple bug is the first step |
21:49.43 | olly | sss: then you'll get to do one of them |
21:49.52 | gevaerts | sss: in that case, the org admins will discuss the issue, *possibly* ask the student which they prefer, and decide who "wins" |
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21:50.34 | olly | if they're unable to agree, carols will pick, probably at random |
21:51.20 | darnir | We should have a factoid for this too. The question props up pretty often. |
21:51.21 | sss | gevaerts: that means that ultimately studnt decides it |
21:51.35 | olly | darnir: i suspect we do, but I can't remember the name of it |
21:51.36 | gevaerts | sss: no :) |
21:51.44 | darnir | sss: Not really. The student *may* be asked for his/her choice |
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21:51.58 | gevaerts | sss: *possibly* the student is asked about a preference |
21:52.03 | olly | sss: only apply for projects you would be happy doing |
21:52.05 | gevaerts | But even that doesn't mean this is followed |
21:52.08 | darnir | olly: We do? Wish kblin was around. He'd know. |
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21:52.20 | olly | if you've a preference, i'd suggest telling the org you prefer that you prefer them |
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21:54.13 | sss | if in case org don't ask for studnt about their priority then how do 2 org descides this |
21:54.26 | gevaerts | That's up to them |
21:54.42 | darnir | Could be any way. You shouldn |
21:54.51 | darnir | You shouldn't be bothered about it |
21:55.00 | gevaerts | They could discuss which org has other qualified students, they could roll dice, they could meet at dawn, ... |
21:55.17 | darnir | Your aim is to write the best proposal. And only to those organizations with whom you'd like to work. |
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21:56.36 | sss | darnir: in my case I'm submitting proposals for 2 org, because I don't want to take chance by applying to only one and not selected |
21:57.27 | gevaerts | sss: so instead you're taking chances by allocating less time per proposal? :) |
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21:58.33 | sss | gevaerts: thing is not about chances, if 10-12 time is enough for a proposal, why shouldn't i try another one |
21:58.44 | sss | 10-12 days* |
21:59.29 | darnir | Each to his own. I stuck to 1 proposal when I applied. Only made sure it was the best. And very precise. |
22:00.31 | sss | i'm applying for the first time, so I think if I'd time, I can pick 2 of them |
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22:58.13 | franka_ | Hi all. When I did GSoc in 2012 I remember that students were able to make changes to application/proposal later, to take into account org's feedback, is that still the case this year? |
22:58.32 | franka_ | (later = after initial submission) |
22:59.03 | MisterA | franka_: correct |
22:59.08 | MisterA | I've edited mine a couple of times |
22:59.13 | MisterA | although there's a cutoff date I believe |
22:59.24 | gevaerts | Well yes. The application deadline |
23:00.48 | franka_ | MisterA: thanks |
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23:01.00 | franka_ | gevaerts: Right, makes sense |
23:01.27 | MisterA | no problem |
23:02.11 | franka_ | Hm, actually I think back then also after the 'due date' students could make changes as that is when public reviews from orgs come in |
23:02.22 | franka_ | but maybe only smaller changes |
23:02.48 | franka_ | But I guess it is still good to have a high quality first draft. |
23:02.58 | gevaerts | If the organisation specifically allowed a modification, yes. I don't know if that's still there |
23:03.29 | franka_ | hm, ok |
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23:10.58 | ankesh11 | How do I insert code snippets in the proposal? |
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23:23.00 | KolibriOS|yogev | ankesh11: Just upload them somewhere and provide a link to them in your proposal. |
23:24.32 | ankesh11 | KolibriOS|yogev: Yes, that's a last resort. Something like embedded gists would have served better though. |
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23:25.07 | KolibriOS|yogev | ankesh11: I think it's not possible right now. But you are welcome to suggest that on #melange |
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23:37.59 | ladylimbs | I appreciate the "other" gender option on the gsoc profile form, but i'm trying to figure out if we need to use our assigned name or if we can use our real/preferred name |
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23:47.11 | KolibriOS|yogev | ladylimbs: The public name is any name you want. For shipping address you have to use your real name to get your VISA card if you are selected. |
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23:48.21 | ladylimbs | KolibriOS|yogev: by "real" name do you mean my assigned name (currently still on my drivers license) or preferred name (which is the only name everyone knows me by, and is written on my mailbox)? |
23:48.57 | ladylimbs | i've never had something mailed to this address using my assigned name, and i'm not sure it would be delivered |
23:49.53 | KolibriOS|yogev | ladylimbs: The name that will be printed on the debit card has to be a name your bank will recognize as your name. |
23:50.43 | ladylimbs | KolibriOS|yogev: ok thanks for the clarification |
23:50.54 | ladylimbs | is there a way to separate that from the name it will be shipped to? |
23:52.13 | KolibriOS|yogev | You have a way to specify different shipping address, use your shipping name for the shipping address and use your bank name for the address. |
23:53.41 | ladylimbs | KolibriOS|yogev: ahh, slightly confusing but i get it now. thanks |
23:54.24 | olly | ladylimbs: you might need to show ID when withdrawing money, so I'd make the card name match your ID |
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