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| 00:02.20 | Kevin-_- | Hello everyone |
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| 00:05.03 | Kevin-_- | anyone know if the stipend happens before or after the summer? Sounds like something I would want to do, but I saw something saying that you're expected to do this for 40+ hours a week and if so it'd be kind of difficult to have a job during it. |
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| 00:05.42 | meflin | there are multiple stages I think its in the faq |
| 00:05.57 | nightscloud2 | I got disconnected, unfortunate. |
| 00:06.00 | terri | Kevin-_-: you get a small payment at the beginning, then more after you pass hte midterm and more again after the final, if I recall correctly |
| 00:06.25 | terri | Kevin-_-: https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page?ModPagespeed=noscript#1._How_do_payments_work |
| 00:06.28 | meflin | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#1._How_do_payments_work |
| 00:06.38 | Kevin-_- | ok that's good, just wondering about rent :). |
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| 00:07.33 | uxfi | How old does one have to be for GSOC? |
| 00:07.41 | umccullough | uxfi, it's in the FAQ |
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| 00:07.58 | terri | uxfi: https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page?ModPagespeed=noscript#1._Are_there_any_age_restrictions_on |
| 00:08.04 | terri | short answer: 18+ |
| 00:08.21 | uxfi | Oh ok np |
| 00:08.33 | uxfi | Someone who said he was 14 applied here somehow if I recall |
| 00:08.34 | Kevin-_- | anyone do this last year, and was it worth it? Did you enjoy it? |
| 00:08.43 | umccullough | uxfi, that would probably have been GCI |
| 00:08.45 | meflin | uxfi: probably GCI |
| 00:08.49 | uxfi | GCI |
| 00:08.50 | uxfi | ? |
| 00:08.58 | nightscloud2 | its for younger people i believe |
| 00:08.59 | meflin | google code in for younger students |
| 00:09.01 | uxfi | ah |
| 00:09.07 | umccullough | right on the front of melange, you'll see it: http://www.google-melange.com/ |
| 00:09.07 | nightscloud2 | so inspiring to see these kids out here coding, its scary |
| 00:09.08 | uxfi | isnt that like Sugar? |
| 00:09.33 | nightscloud2 | uxfi: :how old are you? |
| 00:09.40 | umccullough | Sugarlabs is a GCI org, if that's what you mean? |
| 00:09.41 | uxfi | I'm 18+ |
| 00:09.49 | uxfi | umccullough: oh ok makes sense then |
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| 00:09.56 | uxfi | Sorry was just asking :) |
| 00:10.23 | sttaylor | Google Code-in is for 13-17 year old pre-university students |
| 00:10.25 | meflin | uxfi: gsoc time then i;) |
| 00:10.40 | uxfi | I see |
| 00:10.41 | sttaylor | the 2014 contest will begin late this year |
| 00:10.51 | uxfi | Im not a big fan of Google but I'll see what they got |
| 00:11.01 | uxfi | One of my freinds is a software engineer |
| 00:11.06 | uxfi | at Google so yep |
| 00:11.12 | umccullough | well, fortunately GSoC has little to do with Google in the grand scheme of things |
| 00:11.21 | sttaylor | students work on coding, documentation, UI, bug fixes, research, outreach and training tasks |
| 00:11.26 | umccullough | they just sponsor it, and provide the money :) |
| 00:11.35 | uxfi | makes sense from all the ads they put out |
| 00:11.42 | uxfi | They're an ads comapny anyways |
| 00:12.25 | uxfi | Are any of you googe employees? |
| 00:12.30 | uxfi | Not sure if that is minded here :P |
| 00:12.41 | umccullough | i suspect most of the ops are |
| 00:12.41 | uxfi | I'll give this GSOC a shot later :) |
| 00:12.44 | uxfi | ah |
| 00:12.45 | rlyshw | wish i knew about code-in last year, would have provided me with more experience and confidence for gsoc this year xD |
| 00:13.53 | umccullough | rlyshw, really you could get involved with FOSS orgs any time, you don't have to wait for a google-sponsored event :) |
| 00:13.55 | sttaylor | rlyshw: exactly, many students start with Code-in and get a huge confidence boost and are often much more successful when applying for GSoC |
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| 00:14.12 | uxfi | sttaylor: mind a pm ? |
| 00:14.13 | umccullough | we see high school kids in our IRC channel submitting patches every once in a while |
| 00:14.22 | uxfi | er umccullough too |
| 00:14.29 | uxfi | actaully umccullough mind a pm ? |
| 00:14.34 | uxfi | sttaylor: is too busy helping :P |
| 00:14.42 | meflin | I recruited a mentor that isn't yet 18 :P |
| 00:14.50 | uxfi | meflin: wow. |
| 00:14.59 | meflin | they can't mentor at that age |
| 00:15.02 | uxfi | Dont know how much he /she can help |
| 00:15.04 | uxfi | yep |
| 00:15.09 | sttaylor | meflin: well he can't be an official mentor, the rules for GSOC state they have to be 18 and older |
| 00:15.12 | MisterA | meflin: it depends on how early you start learning |
| 00:15.19 | meflin | that person is a co-developer so they could help alot |
| 00:15.35 | uxfi | co developer for what meflin ? |
| 00:15.36 | sttaylor | he can still come up with ideas and be an unofficial mentor but he can't register as a mentor if he's under 18, sorry |
| 00:15.45 | sttaylor | it's a legal thing |
| 00:15.46 | rlyshw | yeah I know Open source projects are exactly that, open. Sometimes it can be hard to get into without a structured program for guidance. |
| 00:15.52 | meflin | sttaylor: yes I know and understand :) |
| 00:16.11 | meflin | I was trying to point out to the students that you might be better then you think |
| 00:16.25 | uxfi | meflin: he can show his face here |
| 00:16.25 | MisterA | you can be a young kid and be a better programmer than someone older than you. In fact, it's almost certain if you've been doing it for a large portion of your life because it creates good habits and things like that |
| 00:16.27 | uxfi | when he's 18 |
| 00:16.35 | uxfi | yep MisterA |
| 00:16.43 | terri | You know, I totally understand that it can be hard to get started without a structured program.. but I suspect most mentors got started without it, so complaining to us that it's so difficult might not be the best way to garner sympathy. ;) |
| 00:16.48 | sttaylor | meflin: ah gotcha. I had many of the grand prize winners over the last 3 years who have wanted to be GCI mentors for other students but because they are still under 18 they couldn't |
| 00:16.56 | sttaylor | but it's great to see they want to give back |
| 00:17.18 | nightscloud2 | Is applying to say....20+ different organizations a bad idea? |
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| 00:17.38 | terri | nightscloud2: explicitly not allowed. you get 5 applications |
| 00:17.48 | nightscloud2 | oh...ok |
| 00:17.50 | olly | nightscloud2: it's a terrible idea even if you could |
| 00:17.52 | nightscloud2 | so thats out |
| 00:17.53 | meflin | its also a very bad idea |
| 00:17.58 | terri | and, to be honest, we make fun of people who apply to a huge number of orgs. |
| 00:18.06 | olly | 1 or 2 good proposals beats 5 (or 20+) poor ones |
| 00:18.10 | nightscloud2 | ok thanks |
| 00:18.40 | nightscloud2 | i tend to be a quantity of quality type of guy, but im seeing thats not the culture here |
| 00:18.52 | nightscloud2 | over* |
| 00:19.25 | olly | not sure about the culture, but it won't land you a place |
| 00:19.40 | olly | you're up against a lot of students who spend a lot of time on one proposal |
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| 00:22.26 | terri | nightscloud2: one of the things many orgs look for is students who they're sure will stick around and commit to them, since one of the most common ways we lose students is by them disappearing and thus failing to do the work. |
| 00:23.46 | terri | nightscloud2: So in general, scattershot applications tend to not look as good as the ones where the student has spent more time with one or two orgs |
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| 00:24.15 | nightscloud2 | terri: well, I think thats easy for me to show through my bio. I grew up with a lot of adversities and i managed to overcome a lot of things. I was featured on television and news papers for it and i have links to those. |
| 00:24.29 | olly | we've 8 apps so far - the weakest is from a student who applied to 3 other orgs, and they haven't responded to comments at all |
| 00:24.55 | terri | nightscloud2: Unlike companies, we can't just choose to hire a new student intern if someone disappears; we lose the slot and the funding if we choose the wrong student. |
| 00:24.57 | rlyshw | olly: what org/project are do you mentor for? |
| 00:25.17 | olly | xapian this year |
| 00:25.21 | rlyshw | do you mentor for* |
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| 00:25.50 | olly | debian and swig in previous years |
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| 00:26.54 | rlyshw | ah that explains your presence in #debian-soc :) |
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| 00:33.38 | Kevin-_- | hey olly how many people do you generally look for? |
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| 00:40.56 | olly | Kevin-_-: depends how many mentors we have |
| 00:41.34 | olly | i bet we get more proposals too |
| 00:41.52 | olly | there's always a last minute surge |
| 00:43.22 | terri | I do wonder how much of a surge we'll get tihs year |
| 00:43.32 | umccullough | it seems this year has been a little slow |
| 00:43.41 | umccullough | drastic schedule change i think |
| 00:43.42 | terri | I think a lot of folk who wait 'till the last minute will get caught by the proof of enrollment thing |
| 00:43.51 | meflin | I've been seeing that from other orgs as well |
| 00:44.22 | sumanah | terri: I agree. |
| 00:44.48 | terri | right now we're maybe a dozen apps short of our final number from last year, if I recall correctly. |
| 00:44.50 | olly | the total junk is non-existent so far though, which is nice |
| 00:45.22 | jjestrel | terri: It seems like I waited until the last minute but I managed to get my proof of enrollment done |
| 00:45.54 | terri | yeah, aside from the MDO kid, I haven't seen much in the way of spam applications. |
| 00:45.56 | sumanah | Some college administrations are a little less forthcoming with certain bits of paperwork on short notice |
| 00:46.06 | sumanah | Well, part of being a student is learning things via unpleasant lessons sometimes. I know I did |
| 00:46.36 | terri | yeah, i talked to someone yesterday whose college has an admin strike going on 'till a few days after the deadline, at best. |
| 00:48.16 | Kevin-_- | ah ok, still debating on this or research |
| 00:50.34 | Kevin-_- | Right now I'm torn between boost and the machine learning library |
| 00:51.25 | Kevin-_- | boost's site was looking for people who do algorithm design like Radix Sorts, parallel algorithms and string theory stuff. All of which I've done so they're winning so far. |
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| 00:52.45 | sumanah | uxfi: You asked whether I'm Indian (in private message) - yes, my parents are from India. |
| 00:52.49 | sumanah | I was born and raised in the US. |
| 00:52.55 | sumanah | My parents are from Karnataka. |
| 00:52.59 | uxfi | ah ok |
| 00:53.00 | uxfi | :) |
| 00:53.09 | uxfi | yep just recognizeed the name sumanah |
| 00:53.14 | uxfi | ah so the south |
| 00:53.21 | uxfi | sumanah: you're a mentor? |
| 00:53.25 | uxfi | or a student of GSOC? |
| 00:53.59 | sumanah | In the past, uxfi, I've been a GSoC org admin and a GSoC mentor. Currently I'm mentoring for a different open source internship program. |
| 00:54.08 | sumanah | uxfi: How is your open source journey going? Can we help with anything? |
| 00:54.49 | uxfi | sumanah: I havnet started |
| 00:54.54 | uxfi | Not sure If I will this year |
| 00:54.55 | meflin | uxfi: seems to want talk about being indian with just about everyone here |
| 00:54.57 | uxfi | :) |
| 00:55.03 | uxfi | hehe |
| 00:55.10 | uxfi | But I'll read up on GSOC |
| 00:55.11 | uxfi | :) |
| 00:55.11 | sumanah | uxfi: Do you need help making your decision? |
| 00:55.20 | uxfi | sumanah: Perhaps :). I will ask |
| 00:55.25 | uxfi | I am aware there are many different orgs |
| 00:55.26 | sumanah | OK. |
| 00:55.32 | uxfi | Thanks though |
| 00:55.33 | uxfi | :) |
| 00:55.48 | meflin | now why do you not STOP pming people without there permission like I warned you about |
| 00:56.17 | jkridner | just saw http://opensource.com/life/14/3/google-summer-code-2014 |
| 00:56.18 | sumanah | uxfi: You may find these guides helpful: http://sindhus.bitbucket.org/common-pitfalls-of-newcomers-in-foss.html http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ especially http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch014_communication-best-practices/ |
| 00:56.30 | uxfi | Sorry meflin I said excuse me before I started a conversation |
| 00:56.36 | uxfi | sumanah: thanks! |
| 00:56.37 | uxfi | appreciated |
| 00:56.39 | uxfi | :) |
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| 00:56.45 | uxfi | Alot of manuals :P |
| 00:57.01 | rlyshw | such is the FOSS way |
| 00:57.02 | sumanah | uxfi: Yes. We balance between person-to-person discussion and documentation that everyone can read, so we save time answering common questions but also get everyone the personal help they need. |
| 00:57.23 | uxfi | sure that sounds like the good kind of balance |
| 00:57.54 | sumanah | uxfi: When you are learning how to contribute in open source, you're going to find that people give you links to pages that answer your questions. Here's how that usually goes: |
| 00:57.54 | sumanah | 1. you ask a question |
| 00:57.55 | sumanah | 2. someone directs you to a document |
| 00:57.55 | sumanah | 3. you go read that document, try to use it to answer your question |
| 00:57.55 | sumanah | 4. you find you are confused about a new thing |
| 00:57.56 | sumanah | 5. you ask another question |
| 00:57.58 | sumanah | 6. now that you have shown that you have the ability to read, think, and learn new things, someone has a longer talk with you to answer your new specific question |
| 00:58.01 | sumanah | 7. you and the other person collaborate to improve the document that you read in step 3 :-) |
| 00:58.40 | sumanah | uxfi: For example, you now know that you should ask, in a public channel, whether you can private message with someone (example: "hey meflin, may I pm?") before initiating a private conversation with them. |
| 00:59.00 | uxfi | ah ok |
| 00:59.05 | meflin | and you should wait for a positive response |
| 00:59.10 | uxfi | sure |
| 00:59.13 | sumanah | Yes, meflin is right |
| 00:59.27 | uxfi | I've just heard of stories where people pm people and they are fine with it but I guess it depends on the eprson |
| 00:59.35 | sumanah | We understand that no one is born knowing this. But now that you have been told, if you make the same mistake again, we start to think you don't listen very well. |
| 00:59.36 | uxfi | person |
| 00:59.38 | uxfi | Agreed |
| 00:59.49 | uxfi | :) |
| 00:59.57 | sumanah | Some people are fine with rude behavior, but it's safer to follow courtesy rules. |
| 00:59.59 | umccullough | most of us are here to help students, there's really nothing inherently private about it |
| 01:00.17 | uxfi | yup |
| 01:00.57 | sumanah | Kevin-_-: good luck in your choice :-) both sound like interesting things to work on |
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| 01:03.02 | Kevin-_- | thanks sumanah I appreciate it |
| 01:06.15 | emusan | would it be okay to submit an "unoffical advising transcript" as proof of enrollment? Or do I need to do a request of an official one ? |
| 01:06.45 | sumanah | emusan: so, basically, you submit what you have as proof, and then submit your proposal. If Google needs you to get something more formal, they'll email you to ask |
| 01:06.47 | sumanah | !proof | emusan |
| 01:06.48 | gsocbot | emusan: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
| 01:06.51 | terri | emusan: submit the unofficial one; if they need an official one they'll ask. |
| 01:07.19 | emusan | okay, thanks! |
| 01:07.53 | sumanah | Hey terri - I asked my internship applicant to look at http://blog.melchua.com/2013/06/19/hacker-school-session-engineering-learning-styles/ and reflect on her own learning styles, and she DID, and now I know how to teach her better, and I'm happy. Figured you would be happy too :) |
| 01:09.26 | terri | sumanah: I am! I am a big fan of everyone reading mel's thoughts on learning. :) |
| 01:09.32 | sumanah | whooooo! |
| 01:09.37 | sumanah | introspection for everyone! |
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| 01:14.24 | MisterA | sumanah: that learning thing was pretty interesting |
| 01:15.02 | sumanah | MisterA: yeah! |
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| 01:15.58 | MisterA | i'm an intuitive learner according to its description, lol |
| 01:17.43 | sumanah | MisterA: Cool. :-) they're all good ways to be, and I have a lot of intuitive learning tendencies myself |
| 01:18.02 | terri | It's so useful to know what works and doens't work for you. |
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| 01:18.24 | terri | sometimes you bang your head against the wall for a while and then think "wait, maybe this is one of those cases where I need to learn this a different way?" |
| 01:20.40 | sumanah | Relatedly: someone else from Hacker School wrote this: http://danluu.com/teach-debugging/ about teaching debugging/diagnostic techniques. I wish more people learned this in school, but if not, I hope a lot of people learn via their internships |
| 01:20.55 | terri | sumanah: darn it, now I'm reading Mel's blog and not getting on the bus home. they even turned out the lights at work! |
| 01:21.14 | sumanah | terri: I am sort of laughing evilly at the outcome of my accidental cunning |
| 01:21.24 | sumanah | (sorry though) |
| 01:21.27 | terri | oh well, next bus isn't for another 15 minutes. I can read another article. ;) |
| 01:21.36 | sumanah | laughs aloud heartily now |
| 01:22.11 | terri | On the bright side, while I was foofing around on the internet, I also remembered to sign up to donate blood, so I'm claiming this as a net gain for the world. ;) |
| 01:22.22 | sumanah | Totally |
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| 01:24.21 | MisterA | I haven't built circuits in forever |
| 01:24.28 | MisterA | I hated it so much, lol |
| 01:26.48 | emusan | I love circuits! |
| 01:26.52 | emusan | but then, I'm an EE |
| 01:27.40 | MisterA | :P |
| 01:28.04 | skeith | Isn't that better? At least you love what you're doing. Would be bad if you don't. I've seen other people being forced into a degree program that they don't like and eventually failing. |
| 01:28.12 | skeith | But yeah. Circuits are awesome. :D |
| 01:28.42 | rlyshw | as an aspiring computer engineer, i hope to love circuits one day |
| 01:29.07 | rlyshw | that is, once i start comp engineer classes at a university in the fall |
| 01:29.08 | MisterA | emusan: in the digital electronics class I took in hs |
| 01:29.20 | MisterA | we had 1 professor who would walk around and spend 3/4ths of the class debugging peoples problems |
| 01:29.34 | MisterA | if you couldn't figure it out yourself, you had to wait a full class and you would fall behind drastically |
| 01:29.39 | terri | ok, escaping time for me, before I miss the next bus too. :) |
| 01:29.41 | skeith | Some professors do give too complicated problems to their students. |
| 01:29.51 | emusan | ah lol |
| 01:30.08 | MisterA | luckily for me, I managed to avoid falling behind until near the end of the semester at which point everyone was a full month behind me at least on schedule |
| 01:30.13 | rlyshw | MisterA: sounds like any vocational/shop class in high school |
| 01:30.35 | MisterA | that's the only experience i've had with circuits, so you can imagine why I feel the way I do lol |
| 01:30.37 | skeith | MisterA: Do you think you'd like it if it had been much simpler in the beginning? |
| 01:31.28 | MisterA | I didn't exactly dislike it itself, it was just very tedious because of how the class worked. I guess I should say I hated the class lol |
| 01:32.18 | skeith | Yeah. I do think that I'd like other things too had my experience with them been better in the past. Specifically, I don't really like writing that much and I've had bad grades in english during HS. |
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| 01:33.07 | MisterA | tell me about it, lol |
| 01:33.20 | emusan | lol! I almost failed english a few times in HS |
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| 01:33.35 | emusan | every other year |
| 01:33.47 | MisterA | I was naturally very good at writing and would bullshit my way through most of my english classes, but I was terrible at math because I never learned the fundamentals until I took calc, lol |
| 01:34.14 | groundnuty | hey, I'm a phd student. Am I correct to assume that I can apply for every project and I'm treated as a *regular* student? |
| 01:34.25 | MisterA | I failed trig and barely scraped by algebra/geometry, I aced calc though because it actually started making sense to me at that point |
| 01:34.33 | sumanah | TonyF: you had a question? |
| 01:34.53 | sumanah | groundnuty: you can apply for GSoC projects just like a student in an associate's, bachelor's, or master's program can, yes |
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| 01:35.28 | groundnuty | smagnin: thank you :) |
| 01:35.32 | sumanah | groundnuty: as long as you are enrolled at an accredited institution. I imagine your mentors may, socially, treat you as though you are a little more mature than the average undergrad |
| 01:35.51 | skeith | MisterA: Yup. I know that feel. |
| 01:38.35 | TonyF | sumanah: I am I EE too, do you get a suitable project?The project I have done most related to embeded but without embeded OS. |
| 01:38.59 | sumanah | TonyF: have you looked at https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014 and searched for tags like 'embedded'? |
| 01:39.25 | groundnuty | sumanah: I do hope that it will also make my applications more likely to be accepted ;) |
| 01:39.32 | sumanah | TonyF: I think what you are asking is: how do you find a suitable project? |
| 01:39.48 | TonyF | sumanah: Yes! |
| 01:39.52 | sumanah | TonyF: have you looked at https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014 and searched for tags like 'embedded'? |
| 01:40.17 | sumanah | groundnuty: I could imagine various factors going either way. :) On average I assume you have more programming experience than an undergrad, but maybe less free time over the summer? |
| 01:40.28 | sumanah | (depends on your program, country, etc etc etc) |
| 01:41.10 | sumanah | You've probably written essays and reports before, so you can actually write prose. And maybe you've had an advisor or mentor before and you kind of know how to manage that relationship and communicate frequently. Maybe. |
| 01:41.12 | TonyF | sumanah: Yes, I read it for a lot of time, but I just cannot find a very suitable one. |
| 01:41.13 | olly | groundnuty: just being a phd student probably isn't a big factor in many decisions, but my experience is phd students tend to write more coherent proposals |
| 01:42.01 | olly | and that certainly will help |
| 01:42.18 | sumanah | TonyF: have you read http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch005_choosing-an-organization/ yet? Please read that. |
| 01:42.42 | groundnuty | olly: as for proposals, how detailed it should be? I'm writing a proposal for https://gsoc.ccm.sickkids.ca/GoogleSummerOfCode/Development+of+machine+learning+methods+for+modeling+the+evolution+of+tumors+in+C-Cpp2014 |
| 01:43.31 | groundnuty | olly: (its my first GSoC) and there are questions about architecture/timeline etc. |
| 01:43.40 | Daisyab__ | hi |
| 01:44.38 | sumanah | hi Daisyab__ |
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| 01:45.00 | groundnuty | olly: I could spend 2 days and analyze the code that they publish |
| 01:45.09 | TonyF | sumanah: I have another question. After I submit the proposal, when can I get the result? |
| 01:45.18 | groundnuty | olly: and write very detailed proposal |
| 01:45.18 | umccullough | see the timeline |
| 01:45.20 | sumanah | TonyF: have you already read the FAQ? |
| 01:45.24 | olly | groundnuty: you probably should just ask them how much detail they expect |
| 01:45.31 | olly | different orgs have different expectations |
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| 01:45.40 | sumanah | TonyF: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
| 01:45.42 | Daisyab__ | I have submitted my created my profile, submitted a proof of enrollment form but when I click on the button "Submit your proposal", i get a page saying no data received. |
| 01:45.57 | sumanah | Daisyab__: the #melange people might be able to help you with that |
| 01:46.05 | groundnuty | olly: ech, I fear that 2 days might be not enough for geting that info :( |
| 01:46.18 | groundnuty | olly: but thank you for your help ;) |
| 01:46.23 | Daisyab__ | sumanah, ok thanks |
| 01:46.41 | sumanah | groundnuty: have you looked at proposals they have accepted in the past? |
| 01:47.06 | groundnuty | sumanah: no, did not even know it was possible! thank you for a tip! |
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| 01:47.29 | sumanah | groundnuty: In case you can't find any from your specific open source project, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Jarry1250/GSoC_2012_application is one from MediaWiki, and https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/document/pub?id=1Iqk8MTix2CN1pAgqhZqhefKTwiA7P73zQH9N46lvyB0 is some from KDE |
| 01:47.32 | olly | it's not always, but there are public copies of a lot of past proposals |
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| 01:48.35 | TonyF | sumanah: OK, I will read it again, thanks very much, English it not my mother language, so that I can not read it very quick and accurcy.sorry |
| 01:48.44 | sumanah | and groundnuty you saw https://gsoc.ccm.sickkids.ca/GoogleSummerOfCode/StudentApplicationTemplate right? |
| 01:49.31 | groundnuty | sumanah: ofc, that lead me to questions I just asked :) |
| 01:49.46 | woohee | Hello! |
| 01:49.49 | sumanah | got it, sorry for redundancy groundnuty :) I figured double-checking was better than maybe missing something |
| 01:49.50 | sumanah | woohee: hi |
| 01:50.02 | groundnuty | sumanah: sure, it its |
| 01:50.34 | woohee | Using IRC these days….feels like hiding away from all other big social media.. |
| 01:50.43 | woohee | :D |
| 01:51.23 | sumanah | woohee: :) can we help you with any GSoC questions? |
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| 01:52.52 | woohee | I looked up the projects today. I found a couple that I'm interested… one at Inclusive Design Institution.. |
| 01:52.58 | sumanah | cool |
| 01:53.09 | woohee | I'm going to contact people there tomorrow :D |
| 01:53.46 | sumanah | Why not email now? |
| 01:54.15 | woohee | Actually…..What should I ask? |
| 01:54.18 | sumanah | (unless you are someplace where it is 11:54 pm and you are simply being super precise) |
| 01:54.26 | sumanah | woohee: have you already read the student guide's page on making first contact? |
| 01:54.42 | woohee | No I haven't. I will now! |
| 01:55.24 | sumanah | http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch006_making-first-contact/ in case you have trouble finding it |
| 01:55.58 | sumanah | woohee: in general, asking a specific question is better than just saying "can anyone guide me" or "where do I get started". |
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| 02:01.49 | olly | !unmentor | anth_x |
| 02:01.49 | gsocbot | anth_x: "unmentor" is If you can't see a FORMS section in your profile page, you've registered as a mentor not a student. EITHER mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com and Cc: carols@google.com with your melange username (top of the page) and say you mistakenly registered as a mentor, OR just register again with another Google account |
| 02:02.10 | anth_x | thanks. i was trying direct messages and not getting anywhere. |
| 02:02.29 | olly | oh, you need something like: whatis #gsoc unmentor |
| 02:02.49 | anth_x | yup, that's it. thanks again. |
| 02:02.50 | olly | no idea why they thought a completely different syntax in query was a good idea |
| 02:03.11 | MisterA | lol |
| 02:03.22 | umccullough | is gsocbot FOSS too? :) |
| 02:04.28 | anth_x | we've got very few applications this year so far (same as last year, but that's down a bunch from previous), but the average quality is way up - pretty sure it's our best year for that. |
| 02:04.44 | anth_x | anyone else seeing this? a result of google's 10-year ad campaign? |
| 02:05.04 | umccullough | it seems there are some spam-prevention tactics employed this year |
| 02:05.52 | olly | umccullough: yes, the source is on github |
| 02:06.05 | olly | it's a modified supybot I think |
| 02:06.30 | olly | the "| user" syntax is custom, as is the queueing for org feedback |
| 02:06.37 | MisterA | umccullough: I can't figure out any good means of spam prevention on my bots, lol |
| 02:06.53 | MisterA | unless I just limit who can use it |
| 02:07.03 | sumanah | anth_x: Have you asked your applicants how they heard about you and/or GSoC? |
| 02:07.08 | sumanah | (I figure data helps.) |
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| 02:08.10 | olly | anth_x: i think the requirement to provide enrollment proof is making a big difference to the junk |
| 02:08.22 | olly | I suspect a lot of the junk wasn't actually from eligible applicants |
| 02:09.12 | olly | xapian also has fewer proposals than I would expect at this point, but the quality of them is better |
| 02:09.39 | groundnuty | one more question: I'm applying for a project that requires detailed C++ and machine learning, my C++ and ML are moderate and during the project I would like to work on those skills as well |
| 02:09.45 | olly | i'm pretty happy overall, especially as I know there's a few more good ones likely to appear soon |
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| 02:10.06 | umccullough | groundnuty, is that actually a question? sounds like a statement :) |
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| 02:10.37 | groundnuty | I cannot see one, but let me ask: is there a phase in GSoC where mentors interview students for their actuall skills? |
| 02:10.43 | sumanah | groundnuty: depends on the project |
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| 02:11.04 | groundnuty | or is it assumed that students know what they are dooing when applying? |
| 02:11.16 | umccullough | our project requires that each student submit one or more patches |
| 02:11.17 | sumanah | groundnuty: it would be great, in my opinion, if there were a "let's pair program for 20 minutes" interview portion of the GSoC admission process for most projects! But most don't |
| 02:11.21 | umccullough | before they are evaluated |
| 02:12.11 | groundnuty | so, its all up to mentoring organization yes? |
| 02:12.13 | umccullough | and their patches go through our usual scrutiny by the "style police", etc. |
| 02:12.15 | olly | groundnuty: different orgs will have different ideas |
| 02:12.15 | umccullough | yes |
| 02:12.27 | umccullough | each org should provide guidelines on what they expect from students |
| 02:12.35 | umccullough | check in their Ideas page |
| 02:12.57 | umccullough | or ask them |
| 02:12.57 | olly | and different projects will probably need different existing skills vs skills you can pick up or improve during the project |
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| 02:14.07 | sumanah | groundnuty: yeah, our application requirements include a microtask, such as fixing a small bug in our codebase (we provide a list of easy bugs) |
| 02:14.26 | groundnuty | ok, so the best course of action would be not to write that "I'm not good enought in C++, and that I plan to impvore' in a proposal :) |
| 02:14.29 | umccullough | yes, we label bugs "easy" in our bug tracker, specifically for students to locate |
| 02:14.40 | groundnuty | *to improve it |
| 02:15.09 | umccullough | groundnuty, well... honesty is a good policy, but... |
| 02:15.16 | sumanah | groundnuty: well "plan to improve" is good! "not good enough" - let them judge that. |
| 02:15.29 | sumanah | groundnuty: say what you can do NOW, and then say what you aim to be able to do by the first day of the internship? |
| 02:15.30 | umccullough | if you are unable to gain the skills you need during the project, you risk a fail |
| 02:16.15 | umccullough | if you are confident, then i don't see a problem |
| 02:16.48 | groundnuty | umccullough: I'm confident that I will me able to do it. But I am also aware that I will need to work hard to do it :) |
| 02:16.52 | groundnuty | and I'm quite happy about it! |
| 02:18.47 | umccullough | that's the kind of confidence that an org would probably like to hear :) |
| 02:19.33 | sumanah | Right, plus proof that you've achieved that kind of velocity before |
| 02:19.55 | groundnuty | sumanah: good point |
| 02:20.07 | groundnuty | no empty promisses |
| 02:20.24 | umccullough | and also make sure you spend time communicating directly with the org, in their IRC channel, mailing list, forums, etc. |
| 02:20.31 | meflin | confidence is a thing many very skilled students lack |
| 02:20.36 | groundnuty | umccullough: yea, I jsut did it |
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| 02:21.14 | groundnuty | I'm very gratefull for all your help, but I have one more question... |
| 02:21.32 | groundnuty | there is a question about "how many hours/week' a student will be able to spend on a project |
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| 02:21.52 | groundnuty | is it expected that a student will work 5day/week |
| 02:21.59 | sumanah | groundnuty: yeah, it is. ~35 or ~40 hours/week |
| 02:22.08 | umccullough | well... it's sort of expected that it's a "full time" job |
| 02:22.15 | umccullough | but be honest |
| 02:22.28 | sumanah | groundnuty: If you have an unusual schedule and want to make it 4 10-hr days or 7 days at more like 5-6 hours each, that can work too |
| 02:22.41 | jjestrel | ^ I was going to ask about that |
| 02:22.41 | umccullough | if you have certain plans during the summer that you must fulfill and may impact your work, be sure to mention it |
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| 02:23.02 | groundnuty | sure sure, I was just wondering what is considered a *norm" |
| 02:23.03 | sumanah | one nice thing about this is that you can flex your time around in case you are taking care of elderly parents or your children or something like that |
| 02:23.03 | jjestrel | Is it generally acceptable to do 7day work week? |
| 02:23.25 | umccullough | jjestrel, some mentors might not be available 7 days ;) |
| 02:23.28 | sumanah | jjestrel: well, not 8 hours of work each day, 7 days per week! that's too much in my opinion |
| 02:23.53 | jjestrel | But doing the min mentor meeting/week requirement but stretching work over 7 days is alright? |
| 02:24.05 | sumanah | jjestrel: you should really talk to your org about this sort of thing. |
| 02:24.11 | umccullough | honestly, if it turns out you enjoy your project so much that you want to work day/night and weekends... |
| 02:24.13 | umccullough | go for it |
| 02:24.21 | umccullough | but get some rest |
| 02:24.29 | umccullough | and enjoy your life too :D |
| 02:24.31 | sumanah | also jjestrel talking with your mentor MORE OFTEN is a much better idea than trying to only get the minimum number of meetings. |
| 02:24.50 | sumanah | jjestrel: I often hear of people getting stuck, demoralized, etc. because of not talking enough with their mentors |
| 02:24.53 | jjestrel | sumanah: I meant it more as, so long as requirements are met then any work frequency is alright |
| 02:25.01 | umccullough | sure |
| 02:25.08 | sumanah | ah I understand now |
| 02:25.14 | umccullough | in the end, if you finish your project ahead of schedule, you're encouraged to find something else to work on :) |
| 02:25.30 | jjestrel | umccullough: And I prefer more sparse but frequent working. Otherwise I just get exhausted and become less productive :P |
| 02:25.37 | umccullough | same here |
| 02:25.57 | umccullough | i often will work less each day, and also throw in some weekend time for my real job |
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| 02:26.17 | umccullough | keeps me sane :P |
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| 02:26.56 | jjestrel | How many proposals does a typical student apply for? |
| 02:27.16 | olly | 1 or 2 |
| 02:27.19 | meflin | most common 1 ... then 2 after that its crazy |
| 02:27.41 | olly | the mean is closer to 1 IIRC |
| 02:27.44 | jjestrel | Ah awesome. I had my eye on two different orgs, but I didn't know if that was too few that I wouldn't have good odds being accepted |
| 02:27.59 | olly | jjestrel: fewer good proposals is the better approach |
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| 02:28.04 | meflin | this is no game of chance its about your awsomeness |
| 02:28.25 | mithro | does this channel have logs somewhere? |
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| 02:28.40 | olly | !logs | mithro |
| 02:28.40 | gsocbot | mithro: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 02:28.49 | olly | up to previous midnight UTC though |
| 02:29.09 | sumanah | !odds | jjestrel |
| 02:29.09 | gsocbot | jjestrel: "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
| 02:29.18 | mithro | sadly, no search :( |
| 02:30.40 | groundnuty | a question about those *20 minutes cooding section* that the program lacks |
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| 02:31.14 | groundnuty | so in practice, I could write a perfect proposal, praising my skills as much as I want |
| 02:31.33 | groundnuty | and its only up to org. to check if I'm telling the truth? |
| 02:32.05 | groundnuty | its interesting since that would make the % of failed projects quite hight |
| 02:32.09 | groundnuty | *high |
| 02:32.26 | meflin | do you have any idea how bad that sounds? |
| 02:32.57 | groundnuty | meflin: ofc, unfortunatelly that logic is quite common where I live :/ |
| 02:33.13 | meflin | chill out and just be awsome |
| 02:33.17 | groundnuty | :) |
| 02:33.22 | olly | groundnuty: that's why most orgs ask for a patch, or pose a coding task |
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| 02:33.38 | mikefishr | Hi |
| 02:33.43 | jjestrel | hello |
| 02:33.44 | meflin | or call you in for an irc-grill fest |
| 02:34.08 | meflin | being the best coder isn't good _enough_ |
| 02:35.03 | olly | sometimes even that's not required - i've seen a proposal from someone claiming "good python" but if when clicked the link to his blog he gave in the proposal, I could see the blog entry from 3 weeks earlier where he said he'd just started to play with python |
| 02:35.08 | mikefishr | I have a quick question about submitting proof of enrollment. My student ID doesn't show that I am currently enrolled, but has an expiration date of August 2017. Would that work? |
| 02:35.45 | meflin | mikefishr: if your doc isn't good enough you will be contacted |
| 02:35.49 | olly | mikefishr: do you see the "rather than ask questions" paragraph? |
| 02:36.05 | mikefishr | I read that, but still felt that I should |
| 02:36.09 | mikefishr | but w/e |
| 02:36.22 | mikefishr | Thanks for the help |
| 02:36.32 | olly | nobody here can answer |
| 02:36.37 | sumanah | groundnuty: organizations do the risk assessment they feel they need. Some more, some less. |
| 02:36.54 | anth_x | olly: (sorry obscured window) i'm seeing a difference even after filtering "junk". just people approaching more sophisticated topics. |
| 02:36.54 | olly | carols is the authority, but she tends to direct people to just send what they have |
| 02:37.07 | meflin | and each org filters students in there own ways |
| 02:37.08 | anth_x | anyway, it's very exciting. |
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| 02:38.43 | olly | anth_x: we're seeing that too perhaps, but then we deliberately put some more theoretically based ideas on our list this year, as they seemed to be quite popular before |
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| 02:54.27 | TonyF | I just wonder that if I quit the IRC client, when I start the IRC client next time, I can recieve the messages in these period? |
| 02:55.02 | meflin | no |
| 02:55.04 | umccullough | no |
| 02:55.07 | umccullough | not without a bouncer |
| 02:55.32 | umccullough | BUT, this channel is logged, so you can always read what others are saying :) |
| 02:55.46 | umccullough | and nickserv has a message feature IIRC |
| 02:55.48 | umccullough | i never use it |
| 02:56.20 | TonyF | thanx very much |
| 02:56.54 | tnkhanh | where can I see this channel's log |
| 02:56.59 | umccullough | !logs |
| 02:57.00 | gsocbot | umccullough: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 02:57.25 | TonyF | I will keep the client open... Because my time zone may not same as yours |
| 02:57.46 | meflin | that is wise |
| 02:57.47 | tnkhanh | thanks |
| 02:58.30 | TonyF | gsocbot: very cool! thanx! |
| 02:59.08 | umccullough | i'm sure he appreciates your appreciation ;) |
| 03:01.45 | olly | he? |
| 03:02.00 | umccullough | it? |
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| 03:03.21 | meflin | fairly sure that is Mistress |
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| 03:13.17 | czar | hi, i have a draft prepared to be submitted to melange , but only a couple of days are left for the student proposals...i wish to know if it is too late to apply..also when will the lists of selected applications be published? on 21st itself, or their is a seperate timeframe for that? |
| 03:13.41 | meflin | untill the deadline its not to late |
| 03:14.00 | meflin | best to to do more and interact with your org |
| 03:14.18 | olly | czar: accepted students are announced on *APRIL* 21st |
| 03:14.26 | olly | !timeline | czar |
| 03:14.27 | gsocbot | czar: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
| 03:14.37 | czar | ohh. right. thanks a lot guys |
| 03:14.44 | olly | unsurprisingly, it takes time to make the decisions |
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| 03:23.28 | swappy_ | about the enrollment form...I have a Registration Card, for the Spring Semester at my college, signed by my Head of the Department, will that work? |
| 03:24.01 | meflin | if you info is not good enough you will be informed |
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| 03:24.40 | swappy_ | will a jpg file work? I actually took a photo of that, and mailed it to myself, not having a scanner in proximity sucks :( |
| 03:25.28 | meflin | ->> if your info is not good enough you will be informed |
| 03:25.38 | olly | swappy_: make sure it's in focus and legible |
| 03:25.44 | meflin | make sure that pick is clear and you have any translations rrequired |
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| 03:26.39 | swappy_ | okay. how much time does it take to review the enrollment form by melange? ...doing it right now..thanks |
| 03:26.54 | olly | swappy_: we have no idea |
| 03:27.27 | olly | but there's one person full time on gsoc and thousands of forms to review |
| 03:28.01 | olly | just focus on the proposal - they'll get back to you if the enrollment proof isn't suitable |
| 03:28.54 | swappy_ | right. |
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| 04:18.35 | swappy__ | okay so I uploaded my enrollment form, and now I can see the link to submit my proposal, does that mean the enrollment form which I submitted is valid? |
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| 04:20.47 | olly | swappy__: no |
| 04:21.07 | olly | as I said before, it will take time for it to be reviewed |
| 04:21.28 | emusan | but you can still submit proposals |
| 04:21.36 | olly | yes |
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| 04:22.16 | swappy__ | okay, and i will be notified if its not valid ? via what? email? or on the site itslef? |
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| 04:24.26 | olly | i'd imagine it'll show in your dashboard and you'll get an email |
| 04:24.39 | olly | i really would stop worrying about that and focus on your proposal |
| 04:25.01 | olly | if your proposal isn't good, it'll be irrelevant if your enrollment docs aren't suitable |
| 04:25.12 | umccullough | likely, someone from google will contact you if it's an issue |
| 04:25.45 | olly | but the system is different this year, so we can't tell you for sure how it will work |
| 04:26.14 | swappy__ | sure sure. |
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| 05:19.41 | kdh-1334 | When do we get to hear back from the orgs if we got accepted or not? |
| 05:19.51 | kdh-1334 | during the community bonding period? |
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| 05:28.25 | tierra | !next |
| 05:28.26 | gsocbot | tierra: "next" is Student applications close for GSoC 2014 on 21 March, 2014 at 19:00 UTC |
| 05:29.00 | kdh-1334 | !When do we get to hear back from the orgs if we got accepted or not? |
| 05:29.07 | kdh-1334 | !during the community bonding period? |
| 05:29.14 | tierra | !timeline |
| 05:29.15 | gsocbot | tierra: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
| 05:29.20 | kdh-1334 | thx lol |
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| 05:35.49 | TonyF | Once I submit my proposal. can I modifiy it? |
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| 05:36.52 | makoscafee | hey there? |
| 05:38.14 | tierra | TonyF: yes |
| 05:38.30 | tierra | until the 21st at least |
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| 06:17.40 | badgerbratt_ | hey all, I'm a bit noob to GSOC... is anyone free to help me clarify the application process? |
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| 06:25.28 | xennygrimmato | I can try :) |
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| 07:00.43 | joshwambua | Hello all, I have written my proposal on melange and clicked on Submit, Are there any additional steps to take, or is it already submitted to the organization? |
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| 07:09.34 | timothy_mccallum | Would you like to write a Wordpress plug-in for Google Summer of Code 2014? http://techteam.wordpress.com/2014/03/19/write-a-wordpress-plug-in-for-google-summer-of-code-2014/ |
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| 07:29.04 | olly | timothy_mccallum: please don't plug your project here |
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| 07:29.32 | olly | joshwambua: you can check if it is listed in your dashboard |
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| 07:30.08 | joshwambua | olly: yes its in my dashboard |
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| 07:36.32 | olly | joshwambua: then you've submitted - keep a eye out for feedback from the org |
| 07:36.37 | olly | you can edit up to the deadline |
| 07:36.47 | olly | and reply with comments even after that |
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| 07:37.18 | bipul | How should i know, My proposal has been accepted by the organisation or not |
| 07:38.14 | olly | !timeline | bipul |
| 07:38.14 | gsocbot | bipul: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
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| 07:44.15 | joshwambua | Thanks, olly |
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| 07:55.54 | Morgawr | a question about the proof of enrollment document... does it have to be a scan? can I take a picture of my student card (with all the dates and stuff as appropriate)? I ask this because I do not have a scanner and I'm not sure if I can obtain one before the 21st |
| 07:56.41 | olly | Morgawr: that should be ok if the photo is in focus and legible |
| 07:56.57 | olly | if they aren't happy, they'll get back to you |
| 07:57.16 | Morgawr | alright, thanks :) |
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| 08:13.59 | batman | prashant_18: hi |
| 08:14.53 | Cheng_Zheng | hi! |
| 08:14.56 | prashant_18 | hi |
| 08:15.15 | prashant_18 | so You are interested in GSOC |
| 08:15.45 | Cheng_Zheng | yep |
| 08:17.34 | Cheng_Zheng | how about you? are you participate GSoC before? or first time? |
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| 08:17.48 | pranix | hi |
| 08:18.30 | Cheng_Zheng | pranix: hi |
| 08:18.34 | pranix | is there any linux project this year in gsoc |
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| 08:19.23 | Cheng_Zheng | i think yes, you should try search "linux" keyword in GSoC. |
| 08:19.26 | pranix | @Cheng_Zheng hello |
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| 08:20.39 | Cheng_Zheng | @pranix good afternoon |
| 08:20.42 | pranix | is there any way with which i can improve my chance of getting selected ti any org |
| 08:21.40 | Cheng_Zheng | eh, i don't know, sorry i can't help |
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| 08:26.05 | pchaigno | Hi all! Where do you think would be the best place to host a pdf file which I want to enclose with my proposal? |
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| 08:28.49 | pranix | any way thanks for the responce Cheng_Zheng |
| 08:28.51 | pranix | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.00 | Cheng_Zheng | :) |
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| 08:38.40 | darnir_ | !odds | pranix |
| 08:38.41 | gsocbot | pranix: "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
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| 08:39.03 | darnir_ | pchaigno: Dropbox? |
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| 08:40.49 | Bulwersator | !help |
| 08:40.50 | gsocbot | Bulwersator: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
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| 08:41.41 | pchaigno | darnir_: I didn't even think of using my Dropbox account :S. Thanks. |
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| 08:45.15 | darnir_ | Sure. :) |
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| 08:53.47 | prashanthr_ | hi, |
| 08:53.48 | prashanthr_ | I had question about proposal submission. |
| 08:53.48 | prashanthr_ | Will I be able to submit the proposal only after I upload the enrollment form ? |
| 08:54.11 | Bulwersator | prashanthr_: yes |
| 08:55.37 | prashanthr_ | Bulwersator: Thanks. |
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| 08:58.30 | kblin | olly: for all I can see, I can filter by orgs in my proposal list |
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| 08:59.40 | olly | kblin: according to the mentors list, it was fixed quite recently |
| 09:00.14 | kblin | ah, I see |
| 09:00.34 | kblin | I just read scrollback and had a look, and it just looked like in the last years |
| 09:00.56 | kblin | it's still a bit painful, but doable |
| 09:01.09 | kblin | I'd prefer two separate lists, instead of one big list |
| 09:01.48 | olly | recalls the main pain was that the filter didn't stick |
| 09:01.57 | olly | so every time I'd have to reenter it |
| 09:02.15 | olly | kblin: yeah, two lists, or a dropdown to select org |
| 09:02.23 | olly | you just never want to look at all proposals at once |
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| 09:19.25 | psiinon | any melange admins around? |
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| 09:20.42 | olly | psiinon: maybe in #melange |
| 09:20.51 | psiinon | olly: thanks |
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| 09:43.46 | raikar | hi..anyone here |
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| 09:44.42 | VarunAgw | raikar, Hi |
| 09:44.47 | darnir | raikar: 416 people here. :) |
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| 09:45.26 | raikar | guys , what happens if more than 1 proposal gets selected |
| 09:46.18 | waldi | raikar: organizations get a number of slots to fill, so they usualy select several proposals |
| 09:46.18 | Palash | raikar, the companies sort that out |
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| 09:46.50 | raikar | so u have no preference there,right? |
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| 09:47.01 | darnir | If more than one proposal of a student is selected, the organizations sort it out internally during the deduplication talks. They /may/ ask the student for their choice, but don't depend on it. |
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| 09:47.26 | raikar | k,cool got it thanks.. |
| 09:47.46 | darnir | kblin: Can we have a factoid for this? The question props up fairly often. |
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| 09:49.17 | PulkoMandy | !deduplication |
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| 09:49.28 | PulkoMandy | mh... seems we don't have one yet :) |
| 09:50.28 | darnir | Atleast not by that name. |
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| 09:50.53 | darnir | Maybe we should also be able to list all factoid commands. |
| 09:51.09 | darnir | kblin, is gsocbot open source? :D |
| 09:51.28 | PulkoMandy | there is a way to list, but freenode kicks the bot for excess flood if you try |
| 09:52.34 | darnir | Oh.. So there's way too commands then. While we use only a few of them.. |
| 09:52.47 | darnir | way too many* |
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| 10:03.06 | olly | !multiaccept | darnir |
| 10:03.06 | gsocbot | darnir: "multiaccept" is If multiple organizations want to accept you, they will decide which proposal is accepted. Sometimes, but not always, they will ask your preference. |
| 10:03.33 | darnir | Aah brilliant! Thanks olly |
| 10:03.50 | olly | gsocbot is full of obsolete factoids which are never triggered |
| 10:04.11 | olly | i've cleaned out some, but i bet there's loads more |
| 10:04.26 | darnir | True. |
| 10:04.30 | darnir | These save so much time. |
| 10:04.51 | olly | !meeting |
| 10:04.52 | gsocbot | olly: "meeting" is The IRC meeting for rejected orgs is <time UTC> on <date> in this channel. |
| 10:04.57 | olly | i mean really? |
| 10:05.03 | olly | !forget meeting |
| 10:05.05 | gsocbot | olly: The operation succeeded. |
| 10:05.30 | olly | people just teach it junk and it makes it hard to actually find the useful factoids |
| 10:05.43 | darnir | :P |
| 10:05.55 | darnir | Teaching gsocbot is public? |
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| 10:06.28 | darnir | That, IMO, shouldn't be the case. Because if you don't know the factoid, you'll end up teaching it with a new command. |
| 10:06.31 | olly | anyone can do it, but that doesn't mean everyone should |
| 10:06.48 | darnir | That's why I wait for kblin. |
| 10:07.07 | olly | you can search for factoids in query, though it's a bit painful |
| 10:07.26 | darnir | olly: I tried querying gsocbot. I never get a response! |
| 10:07.57 | darnir | Aah! You really need to query. msg doesnt help |
| 10:08.22 | olly | never tried /msg |
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| 10:12.21 | darnir | Darn! The amount of crap it has! |
| 10:13.33 | thevar1able | Hello there. Can anyone make some comments about my proposal? What should I add/remove/edit? https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/public/google/gsoc2014/var1able/5707702298738688 |
| 10:14.28 | Ivanovic | thevar1able: you should ask your possible mentor org this question |
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| 10:29.39 | panzone | thevar1able: i' m a student. if you want i can read your proposal but of course i' m not your possible mentor so my judgement could be different |
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| 10:42.15 | nigam_23_ | hi all |
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| 10:44.20 | Daisyab__ | hi nigam_23_ |
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| 10:46.01 | nigam_23_ | i just came to know about gsoc yesterday and am really confused about what to do |
| 10:47.40 | wiruzx | nigam_23_: chose project, write proposal and submit it asap |
| 10:47.44 | VarunAgw | read FAQ |
| 10:47.46 | VarunAgw | !faq |
| 10:47.46 | gsocbot | VarunAgw: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page |
| 10:49.03 | nigam_23_ | most of the projects here ask that i solve bugs to show my support but i have only 2 days |
| 10:50.36 | VarunAgw | You are very late this year. You have to decide if you want to try this year or not |
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| 10:51.06 | nigam_23_ | i would love to try this year |
| 10:51.19 | olly | nigam_23_: talk to the orgs - the proposal needs to be in by the deadline, but they may be OK with you working on a patch over the weekend say |
| 10:52.00 | olly | but different org will have different plans for how to review their proposals |
| 10:52.25 | d3r1ck | nigam_23_: hi |
| 10:53.30 | nigam_23_ | hi d3r1ck |
| 10:53.52 | skullbocksss | Hi guys |
| 10:54.08 | nigam_23_ | olly : ok .. i will start shortlising some orgs today and roam on thier IRC |
| 10:54.26 | groundnuty | eh, pity I just contacted my org. and they told me that project that I'm interested in is very popular :( |
| 10:55.02 | d3r1ck | nigam_23_: what do you need, ask questions and we shall help you with answers. |
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| 10:58.28 | nigam_23_ | how detailed should my proposal be? |
| 11:00.10 | groundnuty | nigam_23_: ask the org. |
| 11:00.26 | groundnuty | groundnuty: mine jsut told me that the project is very popular and I will have to try hard |
| 11:01.02 | nigam_23_ | ok .... also anyway to know which orgs are popular?? |
| 11:01.35 | groundnuty | thats good question, anyone? |
| 11:01.58 | skullbocksss | guessing... python? |
| 11:02.38 | groundnuty | skullbocksss: in my case rewriting python to c++ |
| 11:02.57 | groundnuty | I was about to start writing proposal |
| 11:03.27 | groundnuty | but to make it realy good I would have to solve 1/3 to the problem at hand - make a proper start of the art survey |
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| 11:04.05 | d3r1ck | nigam_23_: well i can tell you it depends on the organisation, but i think it should be as detailed as possible |
| 11:04.32 | d3r1ck | nigam_23_: i mean like making the organisation know that you know what you are doing |
| 11:05.07 | nigam_23_ | d3r1ck : ok .. also anyway to know which orgs are popular?? |
| 11:05.11 | d3r1ck | nigam_23_: but it should be to bulky because it will cause redundancy |
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| 11:05.42 | groundnuty | pity, I kinda wanted to learn a think or two during the process, not pick the think I'm an exper in, make a great proposal and then simply work on the jubject |
| 11:05.55 | d3r1ck | nigam_23_: well, you can know that from the past years of GSoC from 2005 |
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| 11:07.01 | d3r1ck | nigam_23_: but some popular ones are on the GSoC page |
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| 11:08.01 | skullbocksss | I'm interested in a project but I'm not very skilled in the language in which it is written |
| 11:08.15 | skullbocksss | is this a bad thing? |
| 11:08.27 | d3r1ck | skullbocksss: well i can't say no |
| 11:08.50 | d3r1ck | skullbocksss: but the problem now is how are you going to participate |
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| 11:09.34 | d3r1ck | skullbocksss: but you can look at thier todo list(project list) and see if there is something you can o. |
| 11:09.42 | d3r1ck | skullbocksss: *can do |
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| 11:10.24 | skullbocksss | I just checked this list and there are many kind of feature that I could be able to develop |
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| 11:10.43 | d3r1ck | kblin: can i submit more than two proposals for thesame problem |
| 11:11.01 | d3r1ck | skullbocksss: then work on it dude |
| 11:11.25 | Ivanovic | d3r1ck: you could, but *why*? |
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| 11:11.40 | Ivanovic | d3r1ck: better make one good proposal for the idea |
| 11:11.54 | d3r1ck | Ivanovic: i have two different algorithms to solve thesame problem |
| 11:11.55 | Ivanovic | listing the possible approaches and saying what you think the most likely working one would be |
| 11:11.59 | olly | d3r1ck: you probably shouldn't direct all questions to kblin |
| 11:12.05 | Ivanovic | then talk to the orgs what they think |
| 11:12.21 | d3r1ck | olly: ok |
| 11:12.44 | Ivanovic | that is: if there are different algorithms possible, talk to the org |
| 11:12.53 | Ivanovic | then you will probably learn about the pros and cons for each |
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| 11:14.46 | Ivanovic | d3r1ck: best is to ask the possible mentor org what they would prefer you to do |
| 11:14.57 | Ivanovic | if they tell you to submit two proposals: do so |
| 11:15.04 | Ivanovic | if they say "make it in one": then do that |
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| 11:15.27 | letaiv | Hi everyone |
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| 11:15.38 | RadianceS | hello |
| 11:15.52 | letaiv | Is here someone who is connected with dhis2 ? students, mentors? |
| 11:16.14 | olly | !anyone | letaiv |
| 11:16.16 | gsocbot | letaiv: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization directly. You can find an org's contact information via the org list at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014 |
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| 11:18.30 | letaiv | thanks olly and gsocbot |
| 11:18.47 | skullbocksss | thanks d3r1ck for your help, I'm going to make my proposal asap |
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| 11:19.08 | d3r1ck | skullbocksss: you are welcome |
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| 11:19.53 | apeeyush | Hi, Let's say I submit two proposals and get accepted by both. What will happen in such a situation? How is duplication resolved? Can student choose which organisation he/she prefers? |
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| 11:20.13 | panzone | apeeyush: no |
| 11:20.45 | chakri | apeeyush, same question was raised earlier, to which one of the staff repied, that oraganisations will resolve that issue by discussing among themselves |
| 11:20.56 | panzone | the orgs will resolve this duplicate cases. |
| 11:21.27 | panzone | you must submit proposal only for project you really want to work on |
| 11:22.04 | apeeyush | Is it sure that the student will get one of the two projects or is it possible that he may get none? |
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| 11:23.04 | apeeyush | panzone I want to work on both. Just had a preference so thought I would ask here.. :) |
| 11:23.13 | olly | apeeyush: submitting two proposals is no guarantee |
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| 11:23.34 | olly | suspects one is probably the best plan on average |
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| 11:23.44 | olly | bit hard to know though |
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| 11:25.05 | apeeyush | olly I meant : If the student gets selected for two proposals, is it sure that the student will get one of the two projects or is it possible that he may get none[After Duplication removal round]? |
| 11:25.17 | apeeyush | olly |
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| 11:25.33 | olly | apeeyush: it shouldn't happen |
| 11:25.50 | olly | hard to say for sure that it never has |
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| 11:26.46 | olly | in reality any of the selections aren't final until their announced |
| 11:27.32 | olly | *they're |
| 11:28.14 | apeeyush | k. thanx olly, panzone and chakri |
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| 11:32.09 | nigam_23_ | thanks guys for your time .. am going to start working on my proposals now |
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| 11:39.58 | sudat | Anybody here from Motech? |
| 11:40.45 | sudat | I have query regarding one of their project and there doesn't seem to be any activity in their channel |
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| 11:41.03 | apeeyush | sudat try their mailing list |
| 11:41.51 | sudat | apeeyush, ok thanks |
| 11:42.20 | olly | some orgs don't cover many timezones, so you might need to wait a while on IRC |
| 11:42.33 | sudat | Regarding the enrollment form, how am i supposed to upload the "Translation" file? |
| 11:43.24 | olly | !proof | sudat |
| 11:43.24 | gsocbot | sudat: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
| 11:43.32 | sudat | My enrollment form is in Italian and the FAQ suggests that in case it's not in English, a translation.txt should be accompanged |
| 11:43.34 | olly | read the bit about zip files |
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| 11:44.27 | sudat | ah missed that :) |
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| 12:11.18 | Turl | morning :) |
| 12:11.47 | chakri | Trul: a very good evening! |
| 12:12.10 | Turl | I was wondering, do mentors get notified when I update a proposal? |
| 12:12.10 | chakri | GMT+5:30!! |
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| 12:12.24 | Turl | chakri: :) -3 here |
| 12:12.44 | chakri | umm.. I too have been thinking, the same.. |
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| 12:13.34 | darnir | Turl, chakri: Yes. |
| 12:13.52 | chakri | so, why didn't I get any comment on my proposal, then? |
| 12:14.07 | darnir | Although, the system is currently broken and hence the mentors are not receiving the update emails. |
| 12:14.10 | chakri | probably they discarded, it? |
| 12:14.25 | darnir | It is supposed to be in place, it's broken. |
| 12:14.29 | chakri | so, what is my fate? |
| 12:14.45 | darnir | You can mail your mentors directly and ask for a review. |
| 12:15.00 | darnir | Most don't bother using the comments system on melange. |
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| 12:15.49 | darnir | In fact for some organizations, a proposal is simply a link to the actual proposal through their own systems. Each org handles these things separately. |
| 12:15.52 | chakri | I din't know that!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 12:16.02 | sidthekid | log |
| 12:16.11 | darnir | !logs | sidthekid |
| 12:16.12 | gsocbot | sidthekid: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 12:16.18 | chakri | This is my first time here, and nobody told me that!!!! |
| 12:16.33 | darnir | If you don't ask, why will anyone tell you anything? |
| 12:16.47 | darnir | And what did no one tell you about? |
| 12:18.28 | chakri | that, no one cares about the comment system.. |
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| 12:19.06 | chakri | I've been thinking that the whole conversation about the proposal happens using it... |
| 12:19.24 | chakri | I've been waiting for a reply to make edits to my proposal... |
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| 12:20.17 | darnir | Never said no one cares. Don't misquote me. I said, "Most don't bother using" |
| 12:20.40 | darnir | And you shouldn't be waiting at all. Why haven't you contacted your mentor directly? |
| 12:21.33 | darnir | I *never* write public comments on proposals. Those are usually left for mailing list discussions. /IF/ the student bothers to initiate one asking for comments. |
| 12:21.54 | darnir | RFC is an important part of working in a community. You need to learn it. |
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| 13:12.02 | downey | Our org uses only Melange comments for proposal feedback. |
| 13:12.11 | downey | so ... YMMV |
| 13:12.37 | darnir | Each org is different. |
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| 13:13.20 | darnir | I may even be very off in claiming most don't use it. But in my experience melange comments are not often used. |
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| 13:15.24 | wiruzx | Do you know when we will know how many slots allocated to each organization? |
| 13:16.15 | PulkoMandy | !timeline |
| 13:16.15 | gsocbot | PulkoMandy: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
| 13:16.40 | anish__ | Generally how many seats new organizations get. |
| 13:16.41 | anish__ | ? |
| 13:16.57 | darnir | As many as they ask for, as long as it's reasonable. |
| 13:17.07 | darnir | Which means 1. Atmost 2. |
| 13:17.24 | darnir | Sometimes they may get more, but that's for carols to decide. |
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| 13:18.52 | anish__ | ok. So how does allotment work. On what basis the organization are alloted seat |
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| 13:19.34 | wiruzx | thanks for answers |
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| 13:20.09 | darnir | anish__: carols is the right person to answer that. She will be around during US Pacific coast(?) working hours |
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| 13:30.50 | sumanah | hello folks |
| 13:31.33 | sumanah | so, because I (not mentoring GSoC and not an org admin for GSoC this year) often cheerfully answer questions in IRC, evidently students sometimes latch onto me and send me private panicked email |
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| 13:32.18 | downey | Hi sumanah :-) |
| 13:32.22 | kblin | sumanah: do you want ops on this channel to also get more /query requests? |
| 13:32.28 | sumanah | any other people dealing with that? |
| 13:32.30 | kblin | I'm pretty sure I can arange for that ;) |
| 13:32.30 | sumanah | hahahahaha |
| 13:32.46 | sumanah | kblin: I appreciate the offer! I think this year I shall thank you and decline, with a curtsey |
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| 13:33.47 | kblin | sumanah: your loss ;) |
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| 13:34.10 | darnir | :D |
| 13:34.23 | kblin | for certain weird values of loss, I guess |
| 13:34.35 | sumanah | I think it's especially interesting that students *who have mentors* will do this. I think their mental model of what a mentor is includes "advisor on the technical aspects of the project" but not "person it's safe to ask logistical, panicked, naive, or otherwise nontechnical questions of" |
| 13:34.46 | darnir | sumanah: I don't think there's many people who simply volunteer answers here without being students or mentors. |
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| 13:35.08 | sumanah | I'm a past GSoC mentor and org admin and may be again someday. |
| 13:35.17 | darnir | Of course. |
| 13:35.27 | sumanah | darnir: But you're right. I do think this would happen if I were mentoring someone else in this round as well. |
| 13:35.52 | sumanah | (It's just that I'd have the same amount of power/knowledge as I do now about some random applicant's application) |
| 13:35.54 | kblin | sumanah: I'm not sure of that, to be honest |
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| 13:36.14 | kblin | you're just very active here giving feedback to students for all sorts of projects |
| 13:36.25 | kblin | which btw is very appreciated, thank you |
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| 13:36.38 | sumanah | kblin: oh, I should clarify - the private email I'm getting is only from MediaWiki people who have talked with me in #mediawiki |
| 13:36.41 | darnir | Precisely. Then you wouldn't be seen as the single most impartial person around. Apart from carols that it, who can really mentor them. Just human psych I guess |
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| 13:36.48 | kblin | oh, I see |
| 13:36.56 | darnir | Oh! That's a different story then. |
| 13:37.09 | kblin | then yes, I guess then your assessment is probably spot on :) |
| 13:37.30 | sumanah | yeah, sorry, I should have specified that -- I imagine this is happening to other experts within their communities, although they probably are not in this channel |
| 13:37.31 | darnir | Also, as kblin states. You're very good at giving feedback of all sorts. |
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| 13:37.52 | sumanah | thank you darnir & kblin - I'm glad to have been able to provide useful advice to people |
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| 13:38.18 | darnir | There's two us mentoring this year. So, I can't say I'm getting unsolicited mail. |
| 13:38.24 | kblin | sumanah: so for projects I'm involved with I have gotten emails that IMO should have gone to the respective mentors |
| 13:38.34 | sumanah | nods |
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| 13:40.05 | sumanah | (I think another aspect here is that I'm a woman, so people might think I'm more approachable (if they know that Sumana is a woman's name), and that my name is Indian, which makes Indian students feel more comfortable talking to me) |
| 13:40.31 | darnir | And given the number of Indian students around... |
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| 13:41.13 | kblin | usually in those cases I reply to the students and explain that the respective mentor is the person to talk to, but I'm happy to step in as org admin if there's a problem talking to the mentor |
| 13:41.19 | sumanah | I should say that my name is South Asian -- I mean, 1947 wasn't really that long ago, and probably Sri Lankan, Bangladeshi, and Pakistani students would also find my name vaguely familiar. |
| 13:41.36 | sumanah | kblin: Totally makes sense. I think I would do/have done that too. |
| 13:41.39 | darnir | They would. |
| 13:42.37 | darnir | I hope our org admin doesn't get that! |
| 13:43.49 | nannann | hi to all, yesterday i've sumbitted my proposal. The submission was correctly done and Melange has shown me the "green message" at the end of the process to tell me that all was ok. Today I haven't the proposal in the List of proposal. Any help? |
| 13:44.05 | darnir | nannann: You should contact #melange. |
| 13:44.06 | sumanah | nannann: Have you tried fully refreshing the page? |
| 13:44.16 | sumanah | Yes, darnir is right - #melange can help you |
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| 13:44.42 | darnir | They are the technical guys who run the website. |
| 13:44.57 | nannann | thanks darnir. And yes, I've refreshed the page :) |
| 13:47.11 | kblin | sumanah: all in all, considering the size of mediawiki and the other reasons you stated, I guess you're probably seeing more of those questions than the rest of us |
| 13:47.26 | sumanah | Makes sense kblin |
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| 13:47.57 | sumanah | Yeah, I imagine there are some people in my situation in Linux kernel/KDE/WordPress/Drupal/Python and some other orgs |
| 13:49.40 | kblin | you could ask Nightrose about her experience, as she's also pretty visible in the KDE community and also a woman |
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| 13:49.59 | kblin | she's not indian, not sure how to best control for that factor :) |
| 13:49.59 | sumanah | that's true. |
| 13:50.20 | sumanah | Yeah, and I think she is usually org admin - should check whether she is this year as well. That's a reasonably important factor |
| 13:50.25 | kblin | she also seems to be less active in IRC |
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| 13:50.40 | kblin | at least in the recent years. real life an all that :) |
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| 13:54.15 | sumanah | yeah, Wikimedia Germany stole her away from other things :-) |
| 13:54.25 | Nightrose | meep :P |
| 13:54.31 | Nightrose | yeah yeah :D |
| 13:54.34 | Nightrose | busy indeed |
| 13:54.38 | Nightrose | but still doing admin stuff |
| 13:54.50 | sumanah | oh hi Nightrose! in scrollback you can see my tale of wonder |
| 13:54.51 | Nightrose | have more people to help me now though thankfully |
| 13:54.56 | sumanah | yay! |
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| 13:54.59 | sumanah | delegation for the win |
| 13:55.06 | Nightrose | sumanah: i've been trying to read it but i don't quite follow tbh |
| 13:55.14 | Nightrose | indeed |
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| 13:55.55 | kblin | Nightrose: you know you've made it if you have people to handle delegation for you ;) |
| 13:56.08 | sumanah | Nightrose: oh -- I'm just thinking about why I get personal emails from Wikimedia GSoC applicants, even though this year I'm not GSoC org admin. I think it's basically because I help them in #mediawiki and maybe also because I seem approachable, especially to Indians, as a woman with an Indian name |
| 13:56.09 | Nightrose | kblin: rofl |
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| 13:56.31 | sumanah | but I was also thinking that maybe they haven't quite understood yet that they can ask these kinds of questions of their mentors |
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| 13:56.59 | Nightrose | sumanah: possibly - in kde we've always made it quite clear that the way to ask questions is to the mailinglist or mentor |
| 13:57.03 | sumanah | their mental model might have their mentor as like a Professor or other official person that one ought not anger, and me as a random approachable helpful person whom it is safe to ask |
| 13:57.07 | Nightrose | and the admin isn't so important for the students |
| 13:57.20 | Nightrose | so i get relatively little personal email |
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| 13:57.32 | Nightrose | possible |
| 13:57.34 | rip | sumanah: hi, how many Indian get accepted by gsoc per year? |
| 13:57.37 | darnir | sumanah: That does seem about right. |
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| 13:57.54 | sumanah | Nightrose: How specifically do you make that clear? (I'm wondering whether it's more effective than our efforts at the same principle) |
| 13:58.03 | sumanah | rip: you can look at past statistics |
| 13:58.05 | sumanah | !stats |
| 13:58.05 | gsocbot | sumanah: I have 2 registered users with 2 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. |
| 13:58.06 | sumanah | !numbers |
| 13:58.08 | Nightrose | my name doesn't appear on the ideas page for example |
| 13:58.10 | sumanah | !num |
| 13:58.13 | sumanah | !numapps |
| 13:58.13 | gsocbot | sumanah: "numapps" is In 2014, 190 of 371 mentoring orgs were accepted. 2013: 177/417 orgs; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students) |
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| 13:58.26 | kblin | sumanah: hm, that reminds me... |
| 13:58.28 | Nightrose | only the admins, mailinglist and irc channel |
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| 13:58.59 | Nightrose | need to run to a meeting |
| 13:59.00 | Nightrose | sorry |
| 13:59.01 | darnir | Country wise splits are somewhere ont he GSoC blog posts |
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| 13:59.36 | sumanah | rip: http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2013/06/google-summer-of-code-2013-full-of.html?q=india+countries http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2013/08/google-summer-of-code-full-of-stats.html?q=india+countries |
| 14:00.01 | sumanah | thanks Nightrose |
| 14:00.30 | sumanah | rip: there is no country-based quota, if that is what you are asking. |
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| 14:01.31 | sumanah | kblin: that "numapps" thing seems to say 2014 where maybe it means 2013. Do you agree? |
| 14:01.51 | kblin | sumanah: no. the 2014 stats are for mentoring orgs |
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| 14:02.09 | sumanah | never mind, kblin, I misread and saw "2013" there as just another number. Whoops. |
| 14:02.14 | rkmohapatra | i was talking to the mentor depending upon his requirement i proposed |
| 14:02.18 | rkmohapatra | waht to do next |
| 14:02.26 | kblin | yeah, it's not very readable |
| 14:02.29 | sumanah | rkmohapatra: Have you already submitted your proposal into Melange? |
| 14:02.37 | rkmohapatra | yes |
| 14:02.54 | sumanah | rkmohapatra: Have you started communicating publicly in that open source community? |
| 14:03.12 | rkmohapatra | IRC???? |
| 14:03.24 | sumanah | rkmohapatra: IRC and mailing list especially |
| 14:03.48 | rharish | hi can anyone help me with getting the public url of a proposal that is shared with my organization members only ? |
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| 14:04.07 | sumanah | rkmohapatra: I suggest you take a look at http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ and ask your MENTOR what he suggests you do next. He'll probably want you to start familiarizing yourself with the code, setting up your development environment, and fixing small bugs |
| 14:04.55 | rharish | I'd previously kept it's visibility public and once I changed the visibility to "Organization members" I don't find the proposal link. Nightrose can you help ? It was submitted to KDE :) |
| 14:04.55 | rkmohapatra | k |
| 14:05.02 | mishravikas | hi, I have submitted my application today but my mentor says he can not see my proposal there, do mentors need to be approved by the organization admins? |
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| 14:05.35 | rharish | mishravikas: I guess this is what is happening with one of my reviewers as well |
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| 14:06.08 | mishravikas | rharish, even I kept it to organization only |
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| 14:06.51 | sumanah | has to head to an intro Brazilian jiu jitsu class. |
| 14:07.03 | sumanah | Maybe it will help me learn how to recruit Brazilian applicants for next year. |
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| 14:07.11 | sumanah | Or maybe just help me gain fitness and stamina. |
| 14:07.13 | sumanah | See y'all later |
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| 14:07.35 | rharish | Nightrose: is it necessary for someone to view a proposal, the person will first have to be accepted by the organization admins ?? |
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| 14:08.08 | mishravikas | Nightrose: same question as rharish |
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| 14:23.40 | kblin | good morning carol |
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| 14:25.24 | carols | good morning kblin |
| 14:26.07 | mishravikas | carols, can you please help me, my mentor can't see my proposal on his dashboard what could be the reason? |
| 14:26.18 | carols | mishravikas: have you asked the org admin? |
| 14:26.53 | mishravikas | carols, I've written a mail to her but haven't got any reply yet |
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| 14:27.41 | carols | mishravikas: has it been more than 48 hours since that email? |
| 14:27.54 | mishravikas | carols, no not yet |
| 14:28.01 | carols | then have a cup of tea :-) |
| 14:28.10 | carols | serves some tea |
| 14:28.20 | kblin | yay. tea! |
| 14:28.27 | mishravikas | carols, does my mentor needs to be approved by org admin first? |
| 14:28.52 | carols | mishravikas: possibly so. it depends on the situation, but the org admin can tell you. |
| 14:29.19 | downey | tea? did someone say tea? |
| 14:29.31 | carols | downey: not only did i say it, i served it |
| 14:30.23 | mishravikas | carols: actually the org for which i have applied is under guest project for OSGeo and I wrote a proposal for osgeo so does he needs to be approved by osgeo admin first? |
| 14:31.21 | umccullough | eventually, yes? |
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| 14:31.58 | umccullough | mentors have until april 18 to get signed up |
| 14:33.14 | mishravikas | umccullough, my mentor has already registered |
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| 14:33.32 | umccullough | orgs have until april 18th to assign mentors to students |
| 14:34.21 | umccullough | as a mentor, he needs to work with the org admin anyway, so its out of your hands as a student |
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| 14:35.35 | mishravikas | umccullough, ok thanks! |
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| 15:15.35 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
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| 15:28.59 | newboy | Could somebody give me idea about how to form good proposals ! |
| 15:30.14 | carols | newboy: sure, did you read the student manual? |
| 15:30.38 | Nightrose | rharish: mishravikas|afk: i think so, yes |
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| 15:31.34 | rharish | yeah, I consulted the person and it turns out he wasn't a mentor :) |
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| 15:31.48 | rharish | thanks Nightrose :) |
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| 15:33.04 | newboy | yaa i have read it ! |
| 15:33.21 | Nightrose | :) |
| 15:33.23 | carols | newboy: great, and so you read the section on writing a proposal and you saw the examples of proposals. |
| 15:33.29 | carols | newboy: so what questions can i answer? |
| 15:34.14 | Nightrose | newboy: https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.de/document/pub?id=1Iqk8MTix2CN1pAgqhZqhefKTwiA7P73zQH9N46lvyB0 <- some of kde's past successful proposals |
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| 15:34.20 | Nightrose | the students were ok with publishing them |
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| 15:35.11 | Nightrose | other orgs might be looking for something different though |
| 15:35.50 | newboy | carols: Actually I want to work on GCC . I have an idea on making a new architecture port for GCC . Any GCC based proposals will be helpful?? |
| 15:36.02 | carols | newboy: great, did you ask them about that? |
| 15:36.30 | newboy | carols: sorry but where can i ask ?? |
| 15:36.47 | carols | newboy: through any of their preferred contact methods. which do they list on their melange homepage? |
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| 15:38.00 | newboy | carols: Are you talking about this https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2014/gcc ?? |
| 15:38.07 | carols | newboy: indeed i am |
| 15:38.24 | carols | looks like they prefer irc, a mailing list, twitter, or g+ |
| 15:38.29 | carols | lots of options for talking to them |
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| 15:39.01 | newboy | carols : ohk got it . sorry for such a silly questions :) |
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| 15:39.09 | carols | newboy: no problem at all |
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| 15:54.03 | carols | hello Azeem_ |
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| 15:58.52 | BSJ | <@scorche> Hello |
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| 16:03.54 | d3r1ck | long time |
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| 16:05.24 | d3r1ck | carols: long time |
| 16:05.34 | carols | d3r1ck: until what? |
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| 16:07.03 | Fuuzetsu | …no see, I imagine |
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| 16:08.13 | d3r1ck | carols: well, i want to ask you if one person can submit two application for the same org for two different projects |
| 16:08.27 | carols | d3r1ck: whichever you like. |
| 16:08.34 | d3r1ck | carols: is that possible? |
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| 16:08.36 | carols | or none of the above. your choice. |
| 16:08.41 | carols | sure |
| 16:08.43 | carols | if you want to |
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| 16:10.06 | umccullough | i'm pretty sure the FAQ doesn't distinguish between same org, or different orgs, when it says you have a maximum of 5 proposals ;) |
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| 16:10.32 | carols | indeed it does not |
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| 16:18.07 | carols | serves some cookies to go with the coffee and tea |
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| 16:21.29 | uchihaitachi | I wanted to ask that what kind of questions are asked by the organizations when they contact students after the proposal deadline is over? |
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| 16:24.00 | carols | uchihaitachi: it depends. sometimes nothing at all. you should speak to them about it directly |
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| 16:26.21 | uchihaitachi | @carols: What questions were you asked? |
| 16:26.31 | gevaerts | Easy! |
| 16:26.42 | gevaerts | "Why can't we have an extension?" |
| 16:26.44 | gevaerts | "Why weren't we selected?" |
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| 16:26.45 | uchihaitachi | Like? |
| 16:26.45 | carols | uchihaitachi: i don't know what you mean? |
| 16:26.49 | carols | oh, i see |
| 16:26.52 | carols | uchihaitachi: i'm not a student |
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| 16:27.20 | uchihaitachi | Oh, I'm sorry for that. |
| 16:27.44 | carols | uchihaitachi: that's fine |
| 16:28.23 | uchihaitachi | gevaerts: Why would an org ask "Why weren't we selected?" |
| 16:28.37 | gevaerts | uchihaitachi: because carols is the one who decided not to select them :) |
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| 16:29.33 | uchihaitachi | :) |
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| 16:40.27 | Pranix_ | hello |
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| 16:40.43 | carols | hello Pranix_ |
| 16:41.22 | Pranix_ | is it late to apply for gsoc now |
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| 16:41.40 | carols | Pranix_: as a student? |
| 16:41.44 | carols | or as a mentoring org? |
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| 16:42.35 | Pranix_ | as a student |
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| 16:42.48 | carols | Pranix_: no, it's not too late, you have until friday at 19:00 utc |
| 16:43.27 | Pranix_ | do i have get in contact with the appling organization before getting the proposal final ? |
| 16:43.47 | carols | Pranix_: have to? no. is it highly recommended? yes |
| 16:44.15 | Pranix_ | does that reduce my chance of not getting selected ? |
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| 16:45.30 | carols | Pranix_: i don't know, you should ask the org what their selection criteria is based on |
| 16:46.02 | Pranix_ | ohhk thanks for the help carols :) |
| 16:46.09 | carols | yw :-) |
| 16:46.15 | brlcad | carols: would you happen to know whether GCI closed tasks being inaccessible is a known issue? |
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| 16:46.35 | carols | brlcad: i would not. not my program :-) |
| 16:46.42 | brlcad | k |
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| 16:47.14 | brlcad | it's all melange, presumably some recent gsoc change pushed busted it |
| 16:47.25 | brlcad | will get in touch with them |
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| 17:00.06 | Pranix_ | any mentors here ? |
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| 17:00.37 | downey | Pranix_: Yes. |
| 17:00.37 | Niharika | !anyone |
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| 17:00.38 | gsocbot | Niharika: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization directly. You can find an org's contact information via the org list at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014 |
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| 17:03.05 | carols | !numapps |
| 17:03.06 | gsocbot | carols: "numapps" is In 2014, 190 of 371 mentoring orgs were accepted. 2013: 177/417 orgs; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students) |
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| 17:04.26 | rick_h_ | that's interesting number info |
| 17:04.49 | chakri | people keep saying that! |
| 17:04.56 | rick_h_ | odds are already 1 in 4 of getting accepted. I guess I'll feel better while sending all of the "thanks but no thanks" emails |
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| 17:05.15 | carols | rick_h_: funny, it never makes me feel better doing that to orgs. |
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| 17:05.47 | rick_h_ | carols: yea first time and we've had a lot of great students. I'm getting a bottle of wine ready for sending out the proposal notes |
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| 17:06.10 | carols | rick_h_: well, luckily, you don't have to send the emails, you just talk to the students afterwards |
| 17:06.19 | rick_h_ | if I had the mentors I could easily work with 6 or 8 folks vs the 2 slots we're asking for. |
| 17:06.32 | rick_h_ | carols: heh, true, but still |
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| 17:06.51 | carols | all the more reason i'm so glad *i* don't select students |
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| 17:14.31 | downey | !goodenough | Pranix_ |
| 17:14.32 | gsocbot | Pranix_: "goodenough" is Am I good enough to be a student for GSoC? http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/ |
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| 17:15.51 | Pranix_ | thanks for the link :) |
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| 17:19.55 | kvasnyk | I have one question. Is it possible to edit an appliaction after submit? |
| 17:20.05 | kvasnyk | application* |
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| 17:20.16 | Pranix_ | kvasnyk yes you can |
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| 17:22.02 | kvasnyk | Great. And one more question: is it possible to someone review my applications and give any tips? |
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| 17:23.17 | carols | kvasnyk: the best people to do that would be people from the org you're applying to |
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| 17:24.11 | kvasnyk | @carols: I know, but I was thinking of someone else to do it. |
| 17:24.19 | carols | kvasnyk: ok |
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| 18:06.58 | Kakurady | Is it too late now to start applying for GSoC? |
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| 18:07.10 | carols | Kakurady: we haven't passed the deadline yet, so no |
| 18:07.14 | darnir | Kakurady: Yes and no |
| 18:07.26 | Kakurady | But I haven't talked to any mentor organizations. |
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| 18:07.49 | darnir | Officially the deadline hasn't passed. But you'll have a hard time getting to know a project and writing a proposal within 48 hours. |
| 18:07.56 | darnir | You can still try. No harm in trying. |
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| 18:08.37 | ashmew2 | Kakurady, it's very much possible. Just follow your interests and you'll be able to find something which suits your taste. |
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| 18:09.30 | ashmew2 | Kakurady, and don't be afraid to take "the leap" if needed. Even if you feel like maybe it's too big a change, think about how you can bridge the gap at a good pace. |
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| 18:13.20 | [nameless] | rush proposal is bad idea though |
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| 18:24.19 | newboy | Could i make the proposal within a day ?? |
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| 18:24.58 | rahuln55 | wheres the link to submit a proposal ? |
| 18:25.10 | carols | rahuln55: did you create a profile and submit your proof of enrollment? |
| 18:25.12 | gh_ | newboy, if you are already used to the project you'll apply to, I guess yes |
| 18:25.28 | rahuln55 | carols, no |
| 18:25.36 | rahuln55 | I crated a profile |
| 18:25.38 | carols | rahuln55: then you need to do that |
| 18:25.46 | carols | you can't submit a proposal until then |
| 18:26.09 | rahuln55 | I need to submit proof of enrollment first ? |
| 18:26.37 | carols | rahuln55: yes |
| 18:26.41 | rahuln55 | where? |
| 18:26.51 | carols | rahuln55: did you create a profile? |
| 18:26.55 | rahuln55 | yes |
| 18:27.02 | carols | rahuln55: great, then its the button on the front page |
| 18:27.29 | rahuln55 | what does it say? |
| 18:27.31 | newboy | Actually I know C/C++ and not yet talk to the community ! So Could i create in one day |
| 18:27.41 | rahuln55 | I see only Registration with participating organizations is now open. |
| 18:27.50 | rahuln55 | and start connection |
| 18:28.01 | carols | rahuln55: then you are registered as a mentor, not a student |
| 18:28.07 | carols | you need to register as a student. |
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| 18:28.49 | rahuln55 | wonder that happened |
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| 18:28.58 | teepee | newboy: you could give it a try if you find quick response on the org irc channel. |
| 18:29.01 | rahuln55 | how do I switch :-/ |
| 18:29.15 | newboy | ohk got it ! |
| 18:29.16 | carols | rahuln55: you'll need to contact the melange developers |
| 18:29.25 | umccullough | !unmentor | rahuln55 |
| 18:29.25 | gevaerts | !unmentor | rahuln55 |
| 18:29.26 | gsocbot | rahuln55: "unmentor" is If you can't see a FORMS section in your profile page, you've registered as a mentor not a student. EITHER mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com and Cc: carols@google.com with your melange username (top of the page) and say you mistakenly registered as a mentor, OR just register again with another Google account |
| 18:29.26 | gsocbot | rahuln55: "unmentor" is If you can't see a FORMS section in your profile page, you've registered as a mentor not a student. EITHER mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com and Cc: carols@google.com with your melange username (top of the page) and say you mistakenly registered as a mentor, OR just register again with another Google account |
| 18:29.31 | umccullough | heh |
| 18:29.38 | gevaerts | Hmm, who won? |
| 18:29.48 | umccullough | on my side, it shows mine first at least |
| 18:29.49 | Beornwulf | hmm. would linking to my CV in the additional info bit be a sensible thing? |
| 18:30.31 | gevaerts | lets umccullough have the cake |
| 18:31.00 | umccullough | doesn't eat cake, and gives it tog gevaerts |
| 18:31.06 | gevaerts | eats cake |
| 18:31.36 | Kakurady | Well, I guess it wouldn't be possible for me to be chosen this year... I'm still going to apply this year, if only to get myself familiarized with the steps. Hopefully I can make it next year! |
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| 18:32.06 | Kakurady | (If I'm still in school next year, that is) |
| 18:32.20 | rahuln55 | people here compete to help!! :D |
| 18:32.50 | umccullough | some of us are a bit fond of "unmentor" |
| 18:33.13 | rahuln55 | I was sure I'm not the first one |
| 18:33.14 | rahuln55 | :P |
| 18:33.23 | umccullough | and probably not the last |
| 18:33.33 | rahuln55 | yeah |
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| 18:37.58 | ijimenez | Hello |
| 18:39.17 | carols | hi ijimenez |
| 18:40.21 | ijimenez | Hi, I created my profile but I do not find where to submit my proposal on google-melange.com |
| 18:40.39 | carols | ijimenez: did you submit your proof of enrollment? |
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| 18:41.01 | ijimenez | not yet |
| 18:41.13 | carols | ijimenez: then that's why you can't submit your proposal |
| 18:41.19 | carols | you have to submit your proof of enrollment firt |
| 18:41.22 | carols | *first |
| 18:41.22 | ijimenez | ok great thank you |
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| 18:41.43 | carols | yw |
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| 18:45.03 | jjestrel | Level of experience is a tough question |
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| 18:50.04 | sudat | Hello |
| 18:50.04 | sudat | I got to know about gsoc pretty late |
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| 18:50.50 | sudat | I have selected the project i would like to work on but I read in the ideas section of the institution that I need to communicate with mentor BEFORE i submit the application |
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| 18:51.53 | blast007 | sudat: so, start communicating with them :) |
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| 18:52.15 | sudat | What is a typical email that students usually send? I assume it has to be some query regarding the project Or an email with an introduction and expression of interest in the project can also be sent? |
| 18:52.30 | umccullough | introductions are common |
| 18:52.33 | sudat | blast007, I have no idea what to write them :D |
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| 18:52.54 | umccullough | maybe you'll find some help here: http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
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| 18:55.55 | sudat | umccullough, thanks |
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| 19:10.26 | neuro_sys | how much do you pay? |
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| 19:10.59 | rlyshw | !faq |
| 19:10.59 | gsocbot | rlyshw: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page |
| 19:11.05 | dfighter | for what neuro_sys? |
| 19:11.59 | neuro_sys | for pretending charity work, self development, contributing to open source and such |
| 19:12.02 | anish__ | carols: What will be the seat allotment policy for new organization. Is maximum 2 seat rule is hard and core? |
| 19:12.35 | cff | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.41 | cff | fail :( |
| 19:13.15 | dfighter | neuro_sys, I don't really understand what you are getting at |
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| 19:14.22 | neuro_sys | dfighter: in simple english, how much is the stipend paid to each of the students participating in gsoc |
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| 19:14.42 | dfighter | neuro_sys, that you can find in the FAQ |
| 19:14.57 | rlyshw | !faq | neuro_sys |
| 19:14.57 | gsocbot | neuro_sys: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page |
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| 19:15.46 | dfighter | neuro_sys, that however doesn't explain what you meant by "pretending charity work, self development" etc |
| 19:15.51 | neuro_sys | yes, I had found it already. I just replied to the following question. |
| 19:17.16 | dfighter | I for example have never pretended anything of the sorts for example, I've been contributing to various open source projects since 2008 |
| 19:17.19 | l0rd_hex | so, I'm going to be writing my first proposal ever, from my understanding it's basically a paragraph of what I would see myself doing, my skills, etc? |
| 19:17.40 | l0rd_hex | how in depth is it? |
| 19:17.41 | stqism | ... Pretend charity work? |
| 19:18.02 | stqism | l0rd_hex: You'd have to ask the org what they want, for example, we're rather free form |
| 19:18.10 | dfighter | l0rd_hex, maybe take a look at http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 19:20.38 | uchihaitachi | Does applying for many organizations simultaneously leave any kind of negative impact? |
| 19:20.38 | umccullough | stqism, i have a feeling "pretending" was a language translation issue ;) |
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| 19:20.58 | umccullough | uchihaitachi, you mean submitting 5 proposals? |
| 19:21.08 | stqism | umccullough: I'm sure it was ;) |
| 19:21.13 | uchihaitachi | Yes. Or maybe four. |
| 19:21.30 | stqism | uchihaitachi: Not if it doesn't harm the quality of your proposals |
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| 19:21.39 | gevaerts | uchihaitachi: assuming infinite time, no |
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| 19:23.02 | uchihaitachi | The thing which I had in mind was some orgs ask for a priority if a student is applying to more than one orgs. |
| 19:23.04 | umccullough | if you submit 4 or 5 proposals without much work put into them, it could definitely reflect negatively ;) |
| 19:23.19 | l0rd_hex | stqism: thanks |
| 19:23.28 | l0rd_hex | dfighter: great, thanks, I'll read that over |
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| 19:23.37 | dfighter | :) |
| 19:23.51 | umccullough | uchihaitachi, if more than one org ends up accepting your proposal, they will have to discuss amongst themselves which one will get to choose you |
| 19:23.51 | stqism | Quality > Quanity |
| 19:24.09 | uchihaitachi | If, a student says like "this is my fourth priority", won't this affect the student? |
| 19:24.10 | stqism | Quantity, rather |
| 19:24.32 | stqism | uchihaitachi: Students don't set any priority stuff, I think |
| 19:24.38 | umccullough | uchihaitachi, it makes it sound like you don't necessarily want to work on that project - at least |
| 19:25.01 | uchihaitachi | Yes, that's the point I'm trying to make. |
| 19:25.13 | umccullough | why tell them which you'd rather have? |
| 19:25.30 | umccullough | just state that you're submitting multiple proposals, and let them figure out which you'd rather do |
| 19:25.39 | uchihaitachi | Because they're asking for it. |
| 19:25.45 | umccullough | eh |
| 19:26.08 | umccullough | well, that's a rule that the org specifies, so you'll have to take it up withthem |
| 19:26.15 | uchihaitachi | Yeah. |
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| 19:26.35 | sudat | stqism, " You'd have to ask the org what they want", so it normal to email the mentor and tell him how much of a detailed proposal he expects? |
| 19:26.48 | umccullough | you must understand, when a student applies for multiple orgs, it creates problems for the orgs when they have to "fight" over which one gets the student |
| 19:26.49 | neo1691 | /close |
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| 19:27.04 | umccullough | so, an org is going to ask you to make that process easier |
| 19:27.08 | stqism | sudat: We like irc |
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| 19:27.46 | uchihaitachi | umccullough: I don't have a problem with the process. |
| 19:27.55 | umccullough | good, then you're set? :) |
| 19:28.05 | uchihaitachi | Yes. |
| 19:28.19 | uchihaitachi | The only problem is what I stated earlier. |
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| 19:28.50 | umccullough | not sure it's an actual problem, but rather a perceived problem |
| 19:29.28 | uchihaitachi | Guess I'm just being a paranoid then. ;) |
| 19:29.33 | umccullough | you can certainly ask the org why they require it |
| 19:29.46 | umccullough | maybe they can provide a better answer than we can here |
| 19:30.30 | uchihaitachi | They gave the very same reason. |
| 19:30.30 | uchihaitachi | So as to resolve clashes |
| 19:30.46 | umccullough | so, then that is what you can expect them to use that information for |
| 19:30.52 | uchihaitachi | When a student is selected by more than one org |
| 19:31.02 | umccullough | if there is a clash, the "higher priority" will probably take precedence |
| 19:31.18 | umccullough | you could of course avoid the entire issue by not applying for more than one ;) |
| 19:31.55 | umccullough | so, ultimately, by applying to more than one, you are creating the very issue that they are asking you to help them solve |
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| 19:32.29 | uchihaitachi | Nice one :D |
| 19:32.54 | uchihaitachi | Can't help it. |
| 19:32.54 | uchihaitachi | Human tendency. |
| 19:32.54 | uchihaitachi | Insecurity. |
| 19:33.01 | umccullough | sure! |
| 19:33.14 | umccullough | i say, stop worrying about it, and worry about making very good proposals ;) |
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| 19:33.45 | uchihaitachi | I definitely agree with you. |
| 19:34.06 | uchihaitachi | Thanks, btw. |
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| 19:34.13 | umccullough | np, good luck! |
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| 19:34.42 | umccullough | luck may not have much to do with it, however :) |
| 19:35.29 | uchihaitachi | Perhaps a little ;) |
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| 19:47.31 | sudat | Is there a way to see actual proposals that students submitted in gsoc 2013? I see there are documentations attached with each completed project, not sure if they are the same.. |
| 19:48.07 | gevaerts | You can ask around, and you can almost certainly find some using a web search |
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| 19:49.34 | sudat | gevaerts, I did find some but they are not related to the institution in whose projects I am interested |
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| 19:50.13 | gevaerts | Well, if you want information specific to an organisation, this isn't the ideal place to ask :) |
| 19:51.37 | gevaerts | Also, PMs really aren't encouraged without asking first |
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| 19:54.39 | umccullough | at least, i can see the list of accepted projects from 2013 here: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/projects/list/google/gsoc2013 |
| 19:55.03 | carols | serves some coffee and tea |
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| 20:06.17 | mwilkes|work | Excess flood? I didn't say anything! /me grumbles |
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| 20:08.59 | gevaerts | mwilkes|work: someone is having fun I think |
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| 20:09.47 | gevaerts | Also, yes, a broken pipe can easily lead to excess flood :) |
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| 20:19.06 | lakshman | Would the deadline for Student Applications be extended? |
| 20:19.15 | carols | lakshman: no |
| 20:19.16 | heller | lakshman: no |
| 20:19.24 | lakshman | ok |
| 20:19.29 | lakshman | Thanks |
| 20:19.36 | carols | yw |
| 20:20.47 | heller | so .. if a organisation gets no good proposals and can't accept any students. will that be bad when applying again next year? |
| 20:21.06 | carols | heller: bad? what do you mean? |
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| 20:21.44 | heller | carols: is the chance of the org getting rejected next year higher |
| 20:21.53 | carols | heller: no, that is not a factor |
| 20:22.01 | heller | ok |
| 20:22.04 | heller | good to know |
| 20:24.06 | heller | another question, in the student allocation phase, which criteria counts more: The fact that we are a new org, or that we would have enough mentors for the requested student slots. we are thinking about requesting 4 students and have 8 mentors, which is OK according to the guide, but in contradiction to the fact that we are a new organization |
| 20:24.25 | carols | heller: being a new organization is the most important factor |
| 20:24.34 | carols | besides, i thought you just said you didn't get any good proposals> |
| 20:24.35 | carols | ? |
| 20:24.46 | heller | carols: that was a theoretic question ;) |
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| 20:25.52 | lakshman | It will take 4-5 days for me to get my enrollment form, any way to bypass this so that I can send in my proposals? |
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| 20:26.00 | carols | lakshman: nope |
| 20:26.10 | carols | you have to submit your enrollment form to submit your proposal |
| 20:26.16 | carols | the application period has been open for 2 weeks |
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| 20:26.25 | lakshman | I know :| |
| 20:26.31 | carols | great |
| 20:27.18 | heller | carols: even if we can show a good track record for our mentors (being succesfull mentors for other orgs in the past and the fact that all of us have experience in mentoring students at universities)? |
| 20:27.38 | carols | heller: you read the whole slot allocations document, yes? |
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| 20:28.07 | heller | carols: there are multiples, which are you referring to? |
| 20:28.12 | carols | !slots |
| 20:28.12 | gsocbot | carols: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/studentallocations |
| 20:28.15 | carols | that one |
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| 20:30.42 | heller | carols: right, i was thinking about that one: http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCMentoring/notes-for-first-year-organizations/ |
| 20:30.52 | carols | great |
| 20:30.55 | heller | carols: thanks |
| 20:30.58 | carols | yw |
| 20:32.38 | rvraghav93 | carols: there ? |
| 20:32.39 | mwilkes|work | carols: Glad to hear number of accepted proposals isn't a factor. It's gonna be hard this year. |
| 20:32.44 | carols | rvraghav93: yes |
| 20:32.59 | carols | mwilkes|work: what's going to be hard? choosing? |
| 20:33.07 | rvraghav93 | if we make some edits and submit the proposal again ... will the mentors be notified ?? |
| 20:33.21 | carols | rvraghav93: i don't know, did you ask the #melange developers? |
| 20:33.30 | carols | i don't know the features of the system, i didn't make it :-) |
| 20:33.47 | mwilkes|work | carols: Fewer applicants than usual and fewer of those with detailed applications |
| 20:34.04 | carols | mwilkes|work: every year's different |
| 20:34.08 | mwilkes|work | yup |
| 20:34.22 | carols | mwilkes|work: we have a new org that got 70 apps so far |
| 20:34.23 | mwilkes|work | Still, sad. I hope they're just with other org, not gone |
| 20:34.26 | mwilkes|work | Wow! |
| 20:34.33 | carols | yeah |
| 20:34.39 | mwilkes|work | We haven't had any spam apps this year, either |
| 20:34.47 | carols | that's great |
| 20:34.50 | carols | i heard that from downey too |
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| 20:36.01 | carols | mwilkes|work: they're up to 88 apps, i was wrong |
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| 20:37.08 | PulkoMandy | we had one "almost spam" proposal - apparently an actual student trying to make us think his own (currently closed source) project is going to solve all our problems |
| 20:37.31 | carols | PulkoMandy: well, if this is the worst we get for this year, we're doing pretty well |
| 20:37.36 | mwilkes|work | Quite! |
| 20:37.51 | PulkoMandy | yes - not much applications for us either, however |
| 20:38.01 | PulkoMandy | let's see if we get some good ones tomorrow (I guess not?) |
| 20:38.18 | carols | this is why I'm so surprised by orgs wanting to know their slot allocations before student proposals... |
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| 20:38.34 | carols | like, how would you know how many slots you even want if you haven't seen how many proposals you actually want to accept? |
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| 20:39.09 | mwilkes|work | carols: You know us orgs, we like to be in a position of giving up slots rather than hoping for them. It's always hard picking the range to ask for |
| 20:39.29 | carols | mwilkes|work: well, at least there is a range now. when i started we didn't even have that :-) |
| 20:39.43 | terri | carols: I wonder that regularly when the sub-orgs ask me, and I'm sure they wonder when their prospective students ask them... ;) |
| 20:39.53 | carols | terri: yeah :-) |
| 20:40.12 | heller | carols: it's just so i know our options ;) |
| 20:40.13 | mwilkes|work | carols: I know! The minimum one is harder than perfect world, too |
| 20:40.31 | carols | mwilkes|work: well, i'd rather you picked it than i just chose a number at random ;-) |
| 20:40.56 | mwilkes|work | Indeed. Your random number generator is probably biased |
| 20:41.08 | carols | i don't have a random number generator, that's the thing |
| 20:41.31 | mwilkes|work | carols: I thought that you did, but it prefered 0 |
| 20:41.53 | carols | mwilkes|work: ah, yes, well, for orgs that don't fill in their slot requests it defaults to 0 |
| 20:41.56 | carols | that's correct |
| 20:43.43 | PulkoMandy | we can give a maximum number before getting any student application, then lower it later - but maybe that wouldn't help anyone |
| 20:44.00 | carols | PulkoMandy: it's not that it helps or hurts. it just doesn't matter. |
| 20:44.14 | carols | it's just you putting in numbers that no one is looking at :-) |
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| 20:53.25 | groundnuty | is it 'proper' to ask the org. to have a look at my proposal prior to subminit it? |
| 20:53.32 | carols | groundnuty: sure |
| 20:53.36 | carols | go for it |
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| 20:53.46 | carols | granted, understand that they're not *required* to respond |
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| 20:53.53 | carols | so if they don't it doesn't mean anything |
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| 20:53.58 | umccullough | you can also change it after submission, if they provide feedback through the comments |
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| 20:55.54 | groundnuty | umccullough: hmm, (my first SOC) doesnt it work like they get N (where N is big number) of proposals and they can just pick the best? why provide feedback and change it? |
| 20:56.15 | groundnuty | umccullough: or is it about some 'contract' with google? as in a proposal is a binding document? |
| 20:56.18 | umccullough | groundnuty, sure, i guess, but there's a comment section on there for a reason :) |
| 20:56.45 | umccullough | the submissions are not set in stone until the deadline |
| 20:56.58 | groundnuty | which is tomorrow :/ |
| 20:57.05 | carols | friday |
| 20:57.07 | carols | not tomorrow |
| 20:57.16 | umccullough | tomorrow is thursday still for some of us ;) |
| 20:57.17 | carols | or saturday, depending on where you live |
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| 20:57.33 | groundnuty | is it firday 'night' or friday morning? ;) |
| 20:57.38 | groundnuty | (sili question I know) |
| 20:57.39 | umccullough | in any case, whether you get feedback through the submission form or not, you still ahve to submit something by the deadline |
| 20:57.41 | carols | friday at 19:00 utc |
| 20:57.53 | umccullough | so, no reason to wait until the last minute |
| 20:57.59 | apsdehal | Hi, Kindly tell me when is mentor application deadline? |
| 20:58.11 | umccullough | apsdehal, it's in the timeline |
| 20:58.25 | carols | well, it depends on what apsdehal means |
| 20:58.41 | carols | mentors can sign up to be mentors for orgs anytime between now and september |
| 20:58.53 | umccullough | but they must be there by april 18th according to the timeline |
| 20:59.00 | kxra | so the proposal form is very open ended and doesn't provide a list of questions to make sure are answered |
| 20:59.12 | kxra | is there a good place to look at past accepted gsoc applications? |
| 20:59.16 | carols | umccullough: all students an org wants to accept must have a mentor assigned. that's different. |
| 20:59.25 | groundnuty | are there any proposals that were accepted in previous editions which one could study to get a fell of level of depth required? |
| 20:59.36 | wkoszek | carols: We have a Chinese speaking student who says he's having difficulty requesting English documents which confirm him being a student. I guess translation to English is one of the solutions? |
| 20:59.39 | carols | kxra: the best place to ask is with the org you're applying to |
| 20:59.42 | groundnuty | like exampled of very good proposals |
| 20:59.49 | umccullough | carols, then it should be clarified, because "All mentors must be signed up" sounds exactly like it says |
| 20:59.49 | carols | wkoszek: that's answered on the instructions |
| 20:59.57 | apsdehal | carols: So there is no fixed deadline for mentors? |
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| 21:00.11 | carols | apsdehal: well, again, what is the real question you're trying to answer |
| 21:00.21 | groundnuty | to be honest I have no idea how high 'the bare is set' and though those I would like to estimate it |
| 21:00.29 | carols | apsdehal: are you working with an org and want to mentor for them? |
| 21:01.00 | apsdehal | I want to know what is the last day a mentor can signup at melange? |
| 21:01.15 | carols | apsdehal: some time in october, i forget the exact date. |
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| 21:01.20 | carols | you need me to look it up? |
| 21:01.29 | apsdehal | No, I will see |
| 21:01.32 | carols | ok |
| 21:01.37 | apsdehal | Thanks a lot |
| 21:01.46 | carols | yw |
| 21:01.59 | rallyone | This error message has me stumped |
| 21:02.00 | rallyone | :( |
| 21:02.04 | rallyone | every time I compile |
| 21:02.06 | rallyone | I get this http://i.imgur.com/kcQPbVA.jpg |
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| 21:02.24 | umccullough | pretty sure that's a solid ban |
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| 21:02.53 | kxra | groundnuty: hah, i was just asking that a line before you |
| 21:03.10 | kxra | carols: okay, will do |
| 21:03.15 | carols | great |
| 21:05.04 | groundnuty | kxra, carols: in my casethere arent any previous examples. But I bet people who played with SoC before can point to few examples of really good proposals |
| 21:05.05 | umccullough | carols, suggest changing "All mentors must be signed up" to "Required mentors must be signed up" |
| 21:05.07 | groundnuty | regardless the org |
| 21:05.25 | carols | groundnuty: well, have you already looked at the ones in the manual? |
| 21:05.35 | carols | umccullough: nah, it's fine the way it is. but thanks. |
| 21:05.52 | umccullough | <shrug> ok, well i've already told several people april 18 due to that specific language ;) |
| 21:05.58 | carols | fine with me |
| 21:05.59 | groundnuty | carols: ofc |
| 21:06.09 | carols | groundnuty: great, then there's two right there |
| 21:06.26 | gevaerts | umccullough: I wouldn't conclude that from that line |
| 21:06.42 | carols | umccullough: i don't mind more people signing up by 18 april. we don't lose anything. |
| 21:07.01 | carols | and if people think that's the last day to do it, no problem at all |
| 21:07.41 | umccullough | gevaerts, i dunno "All mentors" seems pretty conclusive to me :) |
| 21:07.56 | umccullough | but i'm ok with the ambiguity if you are :D |
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| 21:08.10 | gevaerts | umccullough: well, it's not all mentors. It's all mentors that have students :) |
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| 21:09.02 | umccullough | i suppose we'll have to agree to disagree on that one |
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| 22:20.48 | mmadia | !bug |
| 22:20.49 | gsocbot | mmadia: "bug" is file melange feature requests & bugs at http://tinyurl.com/new-issue |
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| 22:27.42 | paras | such a pathetic interface for writing proposal. i am trying to write the logic using indentation and lines get out of the borders. |
| 22:28.18 | paras | can we not submit proposal in pdf formats or word formats or upload it to googl edrive? |
| 22:28.32 | paras | *google drive |
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| 22:30.51 | paras | any one can help it out? |
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| 22:31.17 | terri | paras: Ask your mentors; some groups will let you upload your proposal and submit a link to it, others consider that rude. |
| 22:34.15 | terri | do remember that most of us care more about content than formatting, though, so you may be wasting your time if you're trying to do nicer formatting than the basic html that melange allows. |
| 22:35.36 | olly | we're also aware that the tinymce think tends to chew up the formatting |
| 22:36.17 | olly | personally i'd rather read in in the webpage with the formatting a bit askew than have to download a PDF (or worse some MS format) |
| 22:36.33 | terri | yeah, word is almost always a bad idea, I expect |
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| 22:52.11 | kvasnyk | I just finished my application. Can someone please evaluate it and maybe give some tips? |
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| 22:52.56 | tierra | kvasnyk: no, no-one here can help you... talk with the organization you submitted your proposal to |
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| 22:53.42 | tierra | or just wait for comments on your proposal, up to you |
| 22:54.06 | kvasnyk | OK, thanks. ;) |
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| 22:54.54 | carldani | Hi! |
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| 22:58.13 | carldani | I was a mentor for coreboot/flashrom last year, and I'm trying to do the same this year again. Is there a way to copy my profile from last year to this year's GSoC? |
| 22:58.25 | carldani | Or do I have to re-type everything? |
| 22:59.30 | tierra | you can use the same account, but you do have to fill out your mentor profile all over again |
| 22:59.34 | tierra | carldani: ^ |
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| 23:00.42 | carldani | tierra: thanks for the info, will do that |
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| 23:04.40 | medfly | hi guys, how is the gsoc payment done in terms of taxes, is that like employment? |
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| 23:06.27 | kainui | what are the chances of being accepted to gsoc? |
| 23:06.43 | gevaerts | !odds | kainui |
| 23:06.43 | gsocbot | kainui: "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
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| 23:07.06 | medfly | found it. |
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| 23:07.23 | kainui | fair enough |
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| 23:07.43 | gevaerts | !numapps | kainui |
| 23:07.44 | gsocbot | kainui: "numapps" is In 2014, 190 of 371 mentoring orgs were accepted. 2013: 177/417 orgs; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students) |
| 23:07.56 | gevaerts | That doesn't change the other thing though :) |
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| 23:08.17 | kainui | thank you |
| 23:08.29 | olly | kainui: good proposals are likely to be accepted, poor proposals won't be |
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| 23:12.32 | timothy_mccallum | Would you like to write a Wordpress plug-in for Google Summer of Code 2014? http://techteam.wordpress.com/2014/03/19/write-a-wordpress-plug-in-for-google-summer-of-code-2014/ |
| 23:12.41 | bePolite | lol |
| 23:14.28 | medfly | I'm a bit concerned about the tax implications of GSOC |
| 23:17.46 | MisterA | medfly: this has the taxforms and everything I believe: |
| 23:17.47 | MisterA | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/studentinfo |
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| 23:18.58 | gevaerts | medfly: tax laws vary all over the world, and none of us here are tax specialists anyway, so any advice you'd get here would be useless at best and dangerous at worst |
| 23:19.44 | olly | timothy_mccallum: please don't advertise your projects here (as I already warned you) |
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| 23:22.54 | timothy_mccallum | sorry olly, did not see your warning |
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| 23:27.11 | olly | timothy_mccallum: thanks - it would just get unmanagable in here if everyone did it |
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| 23:29.02 | medfly | sigh. if I consult with a tax professional then I'm going to end up in the negative. :P |
| 23:29.10 | kainui | Is it possible to be accepted into the Google Summer of Code without strong knowledge of programming? |
| 23:29.23 | arrdem | gah. Looking at mechanics of ordering a transcript of other proof of enrollment.. looks like I may have cut myself out here on time :c |
| 23:30.39 | KolibriOS|yogev | medfly: It depends on your other income during the same financial year. Most countries have a minimum yearly income below which you don't pay any taxes. But above that, you usually have to pay taxes. |
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| 23:31.38 | medfly | kainui: I got an overly detailed mail about all mthe various genders I could be in order to partake in a similar project geared towards women, which doens't have just programming, if that interests you |
| 23:32.04 | perepujal1 | !amigoodenouth |
| 23:32.30 | KolibriOS|yogev | !amigoodenough | kainui |
| 23:32.31 | gsocbot | kainui: "amigoodenough" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/ |
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| 23:33.16 | medfly | YES! |
| 23:33.41 | medfly | no. err I thought I found the answer :-( |
| 23:33.49 | chro | I just need to provide proof of enrollment and nothing more? |
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| 23:34.02 | chro | for doing a proposal |
| 23:34.32 | KolibriOS|yogev | chro: To submit a proposal, just proof of enrollment. If you are accepted, you will also have to sign some form. |
| 23:34.43 | medfly | chro: yep I just did it |
| 23:34.44 | arrdem | I see that .txt transcripts are listed as unacceptable. What would count as acceptable besides a scan of a paper transcript? |
| 23:34.47 | chro | ok, thanks |
| 23:34.54 | kainui | thanks |
| 23:35.54 | olly | arrdem: i direct you to the "rather than ask question" paragraph on the enrollment proof page: |
| 23:35.57 | olly | !proof | arrdem |
| 23:35.57 | gsocbot | arrdem: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
| 23:36.35 | arrdem | olly: :P dfs option & examination is a sub-optimal strategy |
| 23:36.45 | arrdem | olly: thanks |
| 23:36.47 | olly | ? |
| 23:37.33 | chro | I scanned a letter from my university |
| 23:37.39 | chro | but the postmark is not visible |
| 23:37.46 | chro | because it is white |
| 23:38.02 | chro | is there any problem with that? |
| 23:38.25 | gevaerts | directs chro to what olly dirrected arrdem to |
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| 23:39.34 | chro | gevaerts: that does not say anything about the authenticity of documents |
| 23:39.39 | olly | arrdem: i don't understand - DFS seem to make sofas |
| 23:40.01 | gevaerts | chro: it does |
| 23:40.02 | olly | chro: "Rather than ask questions [...]" |
| 23:40.02 | medfly | arrdem: I provided a .pdf of something my university provided. just through a "print this" and outputted a .pdf |
| 23:40.05 | medfly | arrdem: looks really fancy! |
| 23:40.13 | arrdem | olly: DFS Depth First Search as in I pondered each option in order and didn't read that far |
| 23:40.16 | chro | ok |
| 23:40.19 | olly | ah |
| 23:40.26 | arrdem | olly: I just PDF printed a class listing and uploaded that :P |
| 23:41.07 | olly | it seems it's less work for google to just check and ask if it's not good enough that to field a lot of questions up front |
| 23:41.08 | arrdem | medfly: someone has waaay to much fun designing University security paper... |
| 23:41.16 | olly | though it means we're having to field them sadly |
| 23:41.35 | medfly | arrdem: it also said you can provide a student ID |
| 23:41.46 | arrdem | medfly: UT Austin doesn't date their IDs :c |
| 23:42.02 | medfly | arrdem: I provided the super fancy PDF and that's that |
| 23:42.09 | medfly | my friends don't think Google cares, but that's their opinion |
| 23:42.16 | medfly | I could forge pretty much anything anyway |
| 23:42.20 | groundnuty | how common are the cases where people who get into projects are people who have worked with org. before and the whole process of subminit aplications is in fact setup in advance? |
| 23:42.33 | gevaerts | olly: it's especially bad I think with those students who basically are *always* in here but somehow manage to have missed the dozens of times these questions are asked |
| 23:42.34 | arrdem | raises a hand |
| 23:43.02 | arrdem | gavinatkinson: searching logs is hard :D |
| 23:43.17 | terri | groundnuty: I suspect if that's discovered it would be grounds for getting booted from the program, so probably not very common at all. |
| 23:43.58 | gevaerts | groundnuty: while that no doubt happens every now and then, I'm fairly sure for the vast majority of cases "known contributor" at *most* translates to "better chances" |
| 23:44.22 | terri | groundnuty: Students who do a lot of work with an org beforehand are better placed to write a great application, though. |
| 23:44.27 | gevaerts | That is, with the orgs where the main aim for gsoc isn't to find new people :) |
| 23:44.47 | groundnuty | terri: good to know :) I'm just spending a huge ammount of time to write the best proposal possible and it struck me that somone who get in touch with org few weeks ago... |
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| 23:45.14 | groundnuty | might be simply already setup for the prject that I'm fighting for :( |
| 23:45.33 | arrdem | groundnuty: eh I don't think it's that harsh |
| 23:46.09 | medfly | damn, tax is a tricky topic. I'm afraid of horror stories of being taxed the highest bracket which will make any amount of money meaningless |
| 23:46.21 | arrdem | groundnuty: I mean I'll admit I contacted a couple people who are looking to host GSoC students and talked about their projects so that I could write a _better_ piece, but by no means does that ensure that I or anyone else who does so will get selected.. |
| 23:46.32 | olly | groundnuty: some orgs explicitly won't accept people already involved |
| 23:46.37 | olly | or set the bar higher for them |
| 23:47.10 | olly | gsoc is a way to gain new contributors after all |
| 23:48.18 | olly | that said, if someone started talking to the org weeks or even months ago, they're very likely to have a better proposal than yours |
| 23:48.26 | groundnuty | still its, difficult for me to imagine if someone get in touch with the org some time ago, talked with them, got to know them, wrote a good proposal, would not be picked even if there happend to be better proposal from some random guy |
| 23:48.38 | gevaerts | No |
| 23:49.03 | gevaerts | They'll just be more likely to have the better proposal |
| 23:49.22 | groundnuty | better is quite relative here I suppose |
| 23:49.24 | terri | and honestly, that's not even always true. sometimes the people who've been around a long time submit incredibly lazy proposals. ;) |
| 23:49.40 | gevaerts | I did say "more likely" for a reason :) |
| 23:50.00 | groundnuty | terri: and what will stop them from beeing accepted? its up tothe org anyway? |
| 23:50.20 | gevaerts | groundnuty: why would the org accept them? |
| 23:50.21 | terri | One thing you can do is make sure to talk to your mentors. if you're talking to them regularly, that gives them a chance to direct you to another project idea if they think that would be better for you. |
| 23:50.43 | olly | a lazy proposal from a known contributor would be a red flag to me |
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| 23:50.58 | gevaerts | Would you prefer a proposal from someone you've known for a while and who has just shown they can't be bothered to write a good proposal? |
| 23:51.18 | olly | i'd worry they'd expect to just coast through gsoc, expecting we wouldn't fail someone we know well |
| 23:52.05 | gevaerts | I'd actually give back the slot rather than accept a lazy proposal, no matter who submitted it |
| 23:52.15 | olly | yeah |
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| 23:53.01 | olly | we rejected a student in 2012 who'd done a successful project in 2011, but the 2012 proposal was decidedly lacklustre |
| 23:53.38 | olly | groundnuty: i'd focus on talking to the org and writing the best proposal you can in the time rather than worrying whether it's a waste of time or not |
| 23:53.51 | groundnuty | olly: thank you for reasuring words, I'm trying to find a monivation to write a very good poposal, despite the fact that I had little contact with the org so fat |
| 23:53.53 | groundnuty | *far |
| 23:54.24 | terri | groundnuty: the other thing that might be helpful to know: sometimes if we get two really amazing proposals for the same project, we'll find a way to divide it up between two students. so it's definitely not a bad thing to have multiple good proposals for a slot. |
| 23:54.43 | groundnuty | terri: that is motivating :) |
| 23:54.52 | gevaerts | groundnuty: also, remember that the proposal deadline is *not* the time of decision. There's some time after it too, in which you can prove what you're worth |
| 23:55.15 | gevaerts | You can't change the proposal any more then of course, but you *can* submit patches and things like that |
| 23:56.43 | terri | patches are also a great excuse to keep up regular contact with your mentors so you're first in their minds. ;) |
| 23:56.46 | olly | there's actually more time between the deadline and the time to make choices this year than usual |
| 23:56.52 | groundnuty | out of curiosiry, for how many projects does the average student aplay? |
| 23:57.05 | olly | 1.something |
| 23:57.07 | gevaerts | !numapps |
| 23:57.08 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "numapps" is In 2014, 190 of 371 mentoring orgs were accepted. 2013: 177/417 orgs; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students) |
| 23:57.09 | groundnuty | olly: thats really good news |
| 23:57.31 | gevaerts | 4144/5999 :) |
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| 23:57.39 | olly | gevaerts: no |
| 23:57.43 | gevaerts | Well, the reverse |
| 23:57.48 | groundnuty | so ~2 proposals per student |
| 23:57.52 | gevaerts | isn't good at this :) |
| 23:57.54 | arrdem | sounds about right |
| 23:58.06 | olly | groundnuty: um, < 1.5 actually |
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| 23:58.53 | olly | the numbers before about 2012 (IIRC) will be skewed a bit as up to 20 proposals were allows (and quite a few students would just send the same proposal to 20 orgs) |
| 23:58.53 | gevaerts | groundnuty: around √2 :) |
| 23:58.56 | terri | last year there were only 5 allowed per student, right? I can't remember what year it switched from 20. |
| 23:59.10 | olly | this isn't the first year |
| 23:59.10 | gevaerts | It was definitely 5 last year |
| 23:59.14 | medfly | the guy in the organization was pretty excited about this idea he gave me but then said he isn't sure whether it could get accepted still |
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| 23:59.18 | olly | I think it was 2012 it was redcued |
| 23:59.20 | olly | reduced |
| 23:59.52 | terri | I don't think we've had to mark any applications as spam yet this year, which is nice. |
