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| 09:14.52 | jpapon | Hey guys- is there anyone here who is an admin for the melange website? |
| 09:15.19 | olly | jpapon: try #melange |
| 09:16.18 | jpapon | Well, I was looking for specifically the google-melange website - to have my google account switched from registered as student to mentor |
| 09:16.45 | jpapon | I guess I'll just send an email =p |
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| 09:18.00 | olly | jpapon: that's where such people can be found |
| 09:18.23 | olly | but they'll probably want an email |
| 09:18.28 | olly | !unmentor | jpapon |
| 09:18.28 | gsocbot | jpapon: "unmentor" is If you can't see a FORMS section in your profile page, you've registered as a mentor not a student. EITHER mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com and Cc: carols@google.com with your melange username (top of the page) and say you mistakenly registered as a mentor, OR just register again with another Google account |
| 09:18.51 | olly | (that's the other way, but much the same procedure presumably applies |
| 09:18.54 | olly | ) |
| 09:19.11 | jpapon | Yes- I need to go from student to mentor =) |
| 09:19.25 | jpapon | But I'll send an email, thanks! |
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| 14:43.10 | DHKumpavat | where to submit proposal? |
| 14:43.19 | gevaerts | Last week |
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| 14:43.47 | DHKumpavat | proposal submission period is over ? |
| 14:43.51 | wiruzx | yes |
| 14:43.52 | maxday | yes |
| 14:44.05 | maxday | it was due last friday |
| 14:44.08 | maxday | sorry :( |
| 14:44.35 | DHKumpavat | ok. it's all right. next time, better luck |
| 14:45.46 | DHKumpavat | thanks |
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| 14:53.53 | tnkhanh | is proposal period is shorter this year? |
| 14:54.10 | tnkhanh | IIRC, I can still submit proposals in May last year |
| 14:54.22 | ashmew2 | tnkhanh, if you mean the student application period, yeah it was a lot shorter this year. |
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| 14:54.52 | PulkoMandy | it was also earlier |
| 14:55.08 | gevaerts | It's mainly earlier |
| 14:55.09 | gevaerts | Well |
| 14:55.13 | darnir | Not really, the time frame of the whole program has been shifted by a month. The actual periods seem to be the same |
| 14:55.17 | gevaerts | Last year was unusually late |
| 14:55.29 | gevaerts | So this year is normal :) |
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| 15:03.26 | ashmew2 | For some reason it seemed shorter this year, maybe that's just due to circumstances in RL. |
| 15:04.07 | PulkoMandy | well, there was an extra interim period before officially opening the applications |
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| 15:04.32 | PulkoMandy | so yes, there were 2 weeks of "nothing" and then 2 weeks of application period |
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| 15:08.23 | ashmew2 | :) |
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| 15:11.28 | KolibriOS|yogev | ashmew2: Now you got minus points in your application for not reading the FAQ :-) |
| 15:12.53 | ashmew2 | KolibriOS|yogev, oh darn! But I do remember reading parts of it :P |
| 15:13.15 | KolibriOS|yogev | ashmew2: Next time check if your org admin is on the channel before giving wrong answers :-P |
| 15:13.24 | KolibriOS|yogev | hehe |
| 15:13.30 | ashmew2 | KolibriOS|yogev, sorry Sir :P |
| 15:13.36 | KolibriOS|yogev | j/k |
| 15:13.39 | ashmew2 | :)) |
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| 15:15.58 | pkp | !next |
| 15:15.59 | gsocbot | pkp: "next" is Students for Google Summer of Code 2014 will be announced on 21 April, 2014 at 19:00 UTC |
| 15:16.31 | pkp | I thought 7th april was the announcing date.. |
| 15:16.33 | pkp | ? |
| 15:17.37 | panzone | 21 |
| 15:18.21 | gevaerts | !timeline | pkp |
| 15:18.21 | gsocbot | pkp: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
| 15:18.28 | gevaerts | It's all there :) |
| 15:18.39 | CFS-MP3 | lots of intermediate events |
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| 15:18.57 | KolibriOS|yogev | pkp: 7 april is when we have to request slots |
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| 15:20.25 | pkp | oh! ok.. thanks :) |
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| 16:21.31 | stqism | carols: No ssl on google-melange.com? Gosh |
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| 16:21.42 | carols | stqism: have you asked the melange developers about it? |
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| 16:21.59 | stqism | carols: I thought they just dealt with the actual application ;_; |
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| 16:22.10 | carols | stqism: they deal with all engineering things |
| 16:22.30 | stqism | carols: Oooh, everything |
| 16:22.43 | mwilkes|work | As the infrastructure supports https it's something they can do, in theory |
| 16:22.47 | carols | i run the program, not the webapp |
| 16:22.52 | stqism | Noted |
| 16:23.24 | meflin | she only responsible for HTeas urls ;) |
| 16:23.26 | mwilkes|work | In fact, it seems https does work, it's just not the default. |
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| 16:24.03 | stqism | mwilkes|work: Oddly enough only when using www.melange-etc |
| 16:24.28 | stqism | mwilkes|work: No www forwards to www, but https without www is a 404 |
| 16:24.38 | mwilkes|work | fun |
| 16:24.48 | stqism | Joys of web servers |
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| 16:32.03 | kblin | er, www.google-melange.com does https |
| 16:32.11 | kblin | oh, that's what stqism said |
| 16:32.27 | kblin | memo to self, read full scrollback before replying |
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| 16:32.45 | stqism | kblin: Yeah, this issue explains it a bit more :) http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=2151 |
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| 17:00.48 | carols | serves some coffee and tea |
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| 17:01.37 | wctaiwan | Hi, a few friends who applied to GSoC and I all received an email from "GSyC/LibreSoft Libre Software Engineering Research Lab" about a survey. |
| 17:01.50 | wctaiwan | did they get our email addresses from GSoC? |
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| 17:02.08 | carols | wctaiwan: your email address is listed to the org on your proposal. |
| 17:02.23 | carols | they certainly did not get them from me |
| 17:02.29 | wctaiwan | okay, thanks. |
| 17:02.30 | carols | wctaiwan: what’s the org? |
| 17:02.37 | wctaiwan | Wikimedia Foundation. |
| 17:03.00 | carols | ok |
| 17:03.29 | wctaiwan | I'll ask around. I'm only asking because a friend who used a unique address for GSoC said she got it. For myself I can't really tell since I use the same address everywhere. |
| 17:03.37 | wctaiwan | Thanks for the clarification. |
| 17:03.39 | carols | ok |
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| 17:08.50 | sam_coder | how can i share my link with anyone? |
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| 17:09.03 | carols | sam_coder: is your proposal public? |
| 17:09.05 | sam_coder | project proposal link |
| 17:09.10 | sam_coder | no |
| 17:09.21 | carols | sam_coder: then it needs to be marked as such in order to share it |
| 17:09.36 | sam_coder | carols: procedure?? |
| 17:09.47 | carols | sam_coder: do you have an option on the proposal to make it public? |
| 17:10.19 | sam_coder | no |
| 17:10.28 | sam_coder | only withdraw option |
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| 17:10.43 | carols | sam_coder: then you can’t make it public, sorry |
| 17:11.05 | sam_coder | hmm |
| 17:11.26 | sam_coder | no other way of others to view my proposal?? |
| 17:11.32 | sam_coder | *for |
| 17:11.35 | carols | no |
| 17:11.42 | sam_coder | :( |
| 17:11.49 | carols | you could have marked it public before the deadline, that would have solved the problem |
| 17:12.10 | sam_coder | did not knew about it back then!!! |
| 17:12.16 | carols | have some tea. |
| 17:12.21 | carols | serves some tea |
| 17:12.25 | sam_coder | so tangled with the procedure itself |
| 17:12.43 | sam_coder | that i overlloked it perhaps |
| 17:12.48 | carols | it happens. |
| 17:12.50 | CFS-MP3 | maybe if the proposal is made editable by an org admin? |
| 17:12.50 | carols | dont’ worry about it. |
| 17:13.03 | stqism | CFS-MP3: Perhaps |
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| 17:14.16 | sam_coder | carols: should i keep in touch with my mentor during this interim period if he does not communicate with me or should i not disturb him? |
| 17:14.29 | carols | sam_coder: you should ask what his preference is. |
| 17:14.51 | sam_coder | reason being he prefers more of mailing approach as he is mobile |
| 17:14.56 | stqism | sam_coder: Keep in mind that your mentor(s) may be reviewing a large number of proposals, and might be a tad stressed |
| 17:15.12 | stqism | So excessive bugging might not be the best idea |
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| 17:15.30 | sam_coder | stqism: this is what i thought of!! thanks |
| 17:15.51 | stqism | sam_coder: Just ask what he/she wants, as carols said :) |
| 17:15.59 | sam_coder | actually my mentor last communicated with me way back before 21st march |
| 17:17.13 | sam_coder | he is not so much active on irc as he is constantly on the move. so he asked me to follow mailing approach |
| 17:17.46 | sam_coder | i asked about inquiring him as we last communicated before 21st march. |
| 17:18.28 | sam_coder | no further communication still now. so should i mail him or better wait for his mails? |
| 17:18.59 | sam_coder | carols: ? |
| 17:19.08 | stqism | sam_coder: I doubt he'll just email you like that, so I would send a friendly catching up email |
| 17:19.08 | carols | sam_coder: that’s between you and your mentor |
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| 17:19.33 | sam_coder | thanks stqism: carols: |
| 17:19.42 | carols | sam_coder: there are over 3,000 mentors and each one has different opinions and attitudes. i don’t decide how they interact with the students, nor should I or do i want to. |
| 17:20.41 | Tahir | Can someone tell me, how to check public proposals? |
| 17:20.50 | sam_coder | probably will follow stqism method and send a friendly short mail to him. |
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| 17:23.41 | sam_coder | what with the "can request further proposal details" ?? anyone?? |
| 17:23.58 | stqism | pardon? |
| 17:24.00 | sam_coder | is it mandatory? |
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| 17:24.29 | stqism | No |
| 17:25.22 | sam_coder | can you wlaborate on it please? |
| 17:25.27 | sam_coder | *elaborate |
| 17:25.46 | sam_coder | "where necessary, mentoring organizations may request further proposal detail from the student applicant" |
| 17:25.59 | stqism | sam_coder: If a org wants to ask you something they can |
| 17:26.00 | sam_coder | excerpt from events |
| 17:26.22 | sam_coder | does it mean modifying the proposal?? |
| 17:26.31 | stqism | No |
| 17:27.09 | sam_coder | only mailing of detailed texts |
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| 17:28.16 | sam_coder | ? |
| 17:28.36 | stqism | What's your question again? |
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| 17:30.22 | ankush92 | Anyone who has applied at Portland State University? |
| 17:31.02 | stqism | I don't think this is the place for that, ankush92 |
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| 17:31.25 | carols | ankush92: the place to ask that is in the PSU mailing list and/or IRC channel |
| 17:32.29 | ankush92 | stqism, carols: Sorry. Their IRC channel is inactive that's why I asked. |
| 17:32.46 | carols | ankush92: unfortunately that still doesn’t mean you ask here instead |
| 17:32.48 | carols | have some tea |
| 17:32.49 | carols | :-) |
| 17:33.05 | stqism | Tea is the answer for most issues here :) |
| 17:33.07 | ankush92 | carols: Thanks for the tea :) |
| 17:33.15 | downey | !tea | ankush92 |
| 17:33.15 | gsocbot | ankush92: "tea" is Have some tea and try to relax! |
| 17:33.34 | carols | cheers |
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| 17:54.32 | sam_coder | carols:what if someone prefer coffee? |
| 17:54.44 | carols | sam_coder: they are welcome to drink that instead. |
| 17:55.11 | sam_coder | sam_coder drinks tea as well as coffee!! |
| 17:55.19 | carols | great :-) |
| 17:55.49 | KolibriOS|yogev | sam_coder: carols serves tea 3-5 times a day, and coffee just 1-2 times a day :-) |
| 17:56.12 | darnir | You shouldn't drink too much coffee.. |
| 17:56.16 | darnir | Tea is good! |
| 17:56.24 | stqism | darnir: Lattes are great |
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| 17:56.56 | sam_coder | how about green tea and cold coffee!!! |
| 17:56.59 | sam_coder | :D |
| 17:57.42 | panzone | uh, now i want a coffee |
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| 17:58.46 | stqism | ;_; Melange engineers have been working at the ssl issue I reported for ever a year |
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| 18:00.11 | sam_coder | stqism: can you elaborate on the issue? |
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| 18:00.31 | stqism | sam_coder: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=2151&q=ssl&sort=-id&colspec=ID%20Stars%20Priority%20Status%20Type%20Owner%20Milestone%20Effort%20Skills%20Summary |
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| 18:00.50 | sam_coder | stqism:ok |
| 18:01.02 | sam_coder | thanks |
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| 18:04.55 | sam_coder | who is currently on this issue? |
| 18:05.04 | sam_coder | stqism:? |
| 18:05.15 | sam_coder | *working |
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| 18:26.59 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
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| 19:49.46 | googler12 | !slots |
| 19:49.46 | gsocbot | googler12: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/studentallocations |
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| 19:49.51 | MatthewWilkes | SO nice to have my laptop back |
| 19:50.03 | MatthewWilkes | A shame there was only 1 message in 1.5 weeks though |
| 19:50.26 | googler12 | !gsoc |
| 19:50.26 | gsocbot | googler12: "gsoc" is Something that allows you to program for the summer in an open source project and win some cash and reputation, not Generic Savoir-faire on Open source Conundrums |
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| 19:50.51 | googler12 | !next |
| 19:50.52 | gsocbot | googler12: "next" is Students for Google Summer of Code 2014 will be announced on 21 April, 2014 at 19:00 UTC |
| 19:51.05 | googler12 | !timeline |
| 19:51.06 | gsocbot | googler12: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
| 19:51.09 | carols | googler12: if you want to keep querying the bot you’re welcome to do that in query mode |
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| 19:51.17 | carols | googler12: otherwise, please knock it off |
| 19:51.29 | googler12 | carols: sorry :P it was fun ... |
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| 19:52.43 | googler12 | carols: it does'nt respond to me in query mode !! |
| 19:52.49 | carols | googler12: okay, sorry |
| 19:52.56 | carols | you can ask kblin about it privately |
| 19:53.09 | googler12 | is it another bot? |
| 19:53.16 | carols | no |
| 19:53.29 | googler12 | oh ok ... :) |
| 19:53.55 | gevaerts | Opinions are divided :) |
| 19:54.38 | gevaerts | googler12: "/msg gsocbot whatis #gsoc <topic>" |
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| 19:55.48 | googler12 | gevaerts: okay ... was fun to toy with dat .. sorry ... anyway what i want to know is .. is there any confirmation of no of slots psf will get ? |
| 19:56.06 | carols | googler12: indeed, you’re welcome to ask them |
| 19:56.40 | KolibriOS|yogev | carols: Is it permitted to tell potential students how many slots we have got? Or do I have to keep that secret? |
| 19:56.45 | Manishearth | carols: Uh, for some reason my gsoc proposal had been put on withdraw (I must have accidentally clicked it), |
| 19:56.52 | Manishearth | if I un-withdraw, will it be visible? |
| 19:56.55 | Manishearth | to the org? |
| 19:56.57 | carols | KolibriOS|yogev: it’s permitted for them to ask, and it’s your choice if you answer or not |
| 19:57.02 | Manishearth | or is withdrawal permanent? |
| 19:57.11 | carols | Manishearth: i have no idea, have you asked the melange developers? |
| 19:57.13 | olly | wait, slots have been allocated already? |
| 19:57.23 | KolibriOS|yogev | Manishearth: You can un-withdraw it, it will get back to "Pending" |
| 19:57.29 | Manishearth | okay, thanks |
| 19:57.30 | KolibriOS|yogev | olly: Not yet of course |
| 19:57.33 | carols | olly: nope |
| 19:57.35 | googler12 | carols: They are not sure of it .. they say only u know ! |
| 19:57.45 | googler12 | u as in the google guys . |
| 19:57.47 | carols | googler12: i don’t know right now and won’t until april 8 :-) |
| 19:57.51 | KolibriOS|yogev | olly: I was just wondering in light of "carols> googler12: indeed, you’re welcome to ask them" |
| 19:57.55 | olly | phew, was reading too much into the tense |
| 19:58.17 | gevaerts | KolibriOS|yogev: the disadvantage of telling them of course is that if you then decide to give back slots they'll know, which means they'll know they weren't good enough in an absolute sense, and not merely beaten by a better proposal |
| 19:58.35 | KolibriOS|yogev | olly: So of course now I answer them that I don't know, but was wondering what can I answer them after I do know. |
| 19:58.42 | olly | or that mentors weren't available |
| 19:58.50 | gevaerts | Or maybe that's an advantage, depending on attitude :) |
| 19:59.37 | KolibriOS|yogev | gevaerts: I wish I was in position of giving back slots. We have too many available mentors and too many good proposals. |
| 19:59.38 | googler12 | gevaerts: why would that be a disadvantage ... they would know they need to make a better prop next time rite ?? |
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| 20:00.06 | KolibriOS|yogev | gevaerts: I think for us it would be the other way around, too few slots to accommodate all of them |
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| 20:02.06 | gevaerts | KolibriOS|yogev: in that case, make sure to tell everyone as soon as possible :) |
| 20:03.52 | yatharth01 | what approach should be kept at this very period of time? As in after submission of proposal.. |
| 20:04.00 | KolibriOS|yogev | yatharth01: For student? |
| 20:04.40 | gevaerts | yatharth01: interact with the organisation(s) you applied to, in a constructive way (e.g. fix bugs, discuss the details of your proposal, ...) |
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| 20:06.55 | yatharth01 | KolibriOS|yogev: yes |
| 20:07.06 | KolibriOS|yogev | yatharth01: Then what gevaerts said |
| 20:07.28 | yatharth01 | gevaerts: i tried but my mentor isn't responding!!! :P |
| 20:07.55 | olly | yatharth01: how long have you allowed him/her to respond? |
| 20:08.11 | gevaerts | Don't just talk to a prospective mentor |
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| 20:08.21 | gevaerts | There's an entire organisation out there! |
| 20:08.24 | yatharth01 | olly: its been more than two days |
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| 20:09.27 | yatharth01 | gevaerts: i see, but isn't it good to tlk to a confirmed mentor? |
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| 20:09.44 | olly | it's good to communicate with the org in general |
| 20:09.52 | gevaerts | Of course, but you should try to get integrated into the organisation |
| 20:10.48 | yatharth01 | gevaerts: ohkie,, so basically what approach should i keep this moment that could increase my chances of getting in? |
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| 20:12.15 | gevaerts | isn't sure what he should add to what he already said |
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| 20:13.43 | olly | respond promptly if asked questions about your proposal, work on patches, generally get more involved with the org |
| 20:13.47 | olly | yatharth01: ^ |
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| 20:15.57 | yatharth01 | olly: i haven't been asked any questions yet, i'm already onto the project and wrking to improve a feature i made for the project my mentor earlier told me to code.. |
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| 20:16.32 | yatharth01 | olly: can u be a lil more specific @ getting involved with the org? |
| 20:16.32 | olly | not all orgs will ask questions, but if they do it's good to answer promptly |
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| 20:44.55 | olly | yatharth01: for example, if you see people asking questions you can answer, help them |
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| 20:46.18 | gevaerts | Make sure you can answer of course. There's nothing more annoying than people giving misleading answers |
| 20:47.01 | gevaerts | remembers someone being upset because his forum post with wrong information was deleted, because "Nobody else answered, and a wrong answer is better than no answer!" |
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| 23:11.48 | jzeng_ | Hi, i have some questions about gsoc |
| 23:12.46 | KolibriOS|yogev | sure |
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| 23:32.43 | olly | !ask | jzeng_ |
| 23:32.43 | gsocbot | jzeng_: "ask" is Don't ask to ask, just ask. Also see !smartquestions. |
| 23:36.07 | KolibriOS|yogev | olly: He asked me in PM instead, something he should probably ask carols so I directed him to her |
| 23:36.27 | olly | always with the PMs... |
| 23:36.35 | KolibriOS|yogev | who? |
| 23:36.43 | olly | students |
| 23:36.46 | KolibriOS|yogev | heh |
| 23:37.05 | KolibriOS|yogev | Actually this was the 2nd only since I joined this channel on Feb 24th |
| 23:37.18 | KolibriOS|yogev | So not that bad |
| 23:37.44 | olly | some mornings I'll get up and find a stack of PMs, all of which would have been answered already by other people if they'd been asked in the relevant channel, and most of them from people no longer connected |
| 23:38.07 | KolibriOS|yogev | hehe |
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| 23:50.24 | gsocbot | one_more_minute: "smartquestions" is You're more likely to get a decent reply if you ask questions the smart way, see http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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| 23:53.24 | gsocbot | one_more_minute: "next" is Students for Google Summer of Code 2014 will be announced on 21 April, 2014 at 19:00 UTC |
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