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02:30.05NiharikaMorning.
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03:16.41sachith500Hello :)
03:16.54sachith500Could someone please tell me how student deduplication happens?
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03:19.37olly_the org admins will be able to see students another org is trying to accept in a couple of days time
03:19.47sachith500ok
03:19.48olly_they should then try to decide who gets the student
03:20.00sachith500I see
03:20.05olly_if they can't agree (or fail to communicate) any left are resovled at an IRC meeting
03:20.21sachith500ah the final deduplication check, got it
03:20.30olly_most experienced admins try hard to do it first, as it's pretty arbitrary at the meeting
03:20.47olly_generally if one org shows, they'll get what they want (keep or not)
03:20.55sachith500is the student involved in this?
03:20.57olly_if both do and can't agree, carols will pick randomly
03:21.14olly_it's assumed you only apply for projects you want to do
03:21.20sachith500yeah
03:21.23olly_but if you have a preference, tell one or both orgs
03:21.28sachith500I see
03:21.32olly_they may take account of it, but aren't required to
03:21.36sachith500or you can let the orgs decide too?
03:21.53sachith500since they're all cool projects :)
03:21.58olly_sure
03:22.01sachith500great
03:22.06sachith500thanks a lot for your help! :D
03:22.55olly_i'd generally suggest if you have a preference, tell the org you prefer that you prefer them
03:23.33sachith500hmm, all right :)
03:23.45olly_in case you're worried the other org might not want a student who'd prefer to go elsewhere
03:23.54olly_though i don't think that's a common attitude
03:24.09olly_but i can see why students might worry about it
03:26.54sachith500oh no, that's not it at all. I was just curious about how it actually gets decided
03:27.47sachith500I will probably let the orgs decide after all, since they're all interesting ideas.
03:28.02olly_it can come down to whether one org has a lot of other good proposals, but the other would return the slot if they didn't have that student
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03:28.53sachith500oh
03:29.06sachith500in that case the 2nd org would get the student?
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03:29.34olly_not automatically, but it seems a sensible outcome in that situation
03:29.39sachith500yeah
03:31.01olly_in extreme cases, it can even be the only student an org wanted to accept
03:31.38sachith500oh yeah
03:31.55sachith500that would be pretty rare though, I guess
03:32.02sachith500perhaps in one of the newer orgs?
03:32.53olly_probably newer orgs in obscure/specialist fields
03:33.01sachith500true
03:33.11olly_i understand it happens, but i've not encountered it myself
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03:34.07sachith500Are students notified afterwards of what happened?
03:34.14sachith500in case of duplication?
03:34.18sachith500I'm just curious
03:34.30olly_you get a mail on 21st for each proposal saying if you were accepted or not
03:34.52sachith500I see
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03:34.55olly_you don't get told about any intermediate stages
03:35.04sachith500yeah, I figured as much
03:35.06sachith500makes sense
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04:13.00kitsHi
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04:29.16Manishea1tholly_: So how does gsoc work on the mentors side?
04:29.42Manishea1thRegardless of getting picked this year, I do want to try mentoring next year (is that even allowed?)
04:29.48Manishea1th(as a student)
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04:30.35Manishea1thMainly because I always have some project ideas for large-ish projects, and i like getting people started in open source
04:30.51olly_you can't mentor and be a student participant in the same year, but there's no reason a mentor can't be at university
04:31.08ManishearthAh. But what do mentors have to do?
04:31.20olly_and quite a lot of students who do gsoc go on to be mentors
04:31.25ManishearthI guess that's more on the org side then (Mozilla in my case)
04:31.32olly_um, they have to mentor
04:31.49ManishearthWell, yeah, but how much of a time commitment is it? :p
04:32.28ManishearthI would be doing a research project simultaneously, so I'm not sure if its possible
04:32.51olly_it's very variable, but the FAQ suggest 5 hours per week, which isn't unrealistic
04:33.02Manishearththat's it? That's very doabe
04:33.05Manishearth*doable
04:33.20olly_some students need a lot of help, some get on with it and you just need to check all is well
04:33.51olly_I suspect most mentors have full time jobs too
04:34.07ManishearthThe trick is to put up a project idea that only the latter kind will be able to write a proposal for :p
04:34.13ManishearthYep
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04:46.57Manisheartholly_: Also, what's this about a student summit being held this year? I saw some discussion on it earlier.
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04:47.50olly_doesn't know anything more than is in that blog post
04:48.02Manishearthlooks for blog post
04:48.15Manishearthgoogle-opensource blog?
04:48.31ManishearthHm, that's been on my RSS for years, probably skipped through it
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07:07.29guest24642Hello, I have missed the student registration but my mentor says perhaps we could do something about it, could you please help me ! I don't want to miss this year's gsoc ! Is it really too late ?
07:09.00olly_guest24642: it is, by several weeks
07:09.29olly_get involved anyway, and you'll have a great chance next year
07:10.13guest24642So I can get involved without registering as a volunteer ? That's what I asked my mentor
07:10.29olly_sure
07:10.46olly_people contribute to open source projects all the time
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07:11.19olly_i have been for decades, and have never taken part in gsoc as a student
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07:13.30guest24642thanks for clarification, getting my feet wet was my whole purpose anyway, so it's good news :D
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07:14.02sunuguest24642: if you're into python see this talk by jessica McKellar. http://www.pyvideo.org/video/2586/contribute-with-me-getting-started-with-open-sou-0
07:14.18sunuWill help you get started.
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07:36.49kblinmorning folks
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08:43.45KinnisonHi, I'm looking for someone to explain to me how the melange UI allows me to select which proposal we want for our slot?
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08:44.56olly_Kinnison: on the proposal slide the "accept" slider
08:44.58olly_and assign a mentor too
08:46.01KinnisonAah, that information is not reflected anywhere in the UI except on the individual proposal pages, I see now
08:46.14KinnisonAt least we hadn't done anything wrong, thanks olly_
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08:51.46olly_Kinnison: if you look in the "slots" tab of the org profile, it says how many you've used of those you have
08:52.06KinnisonYeah it says we have 1 and it's used
08:52.14Kinnisonbut nothing on the proposals list shows if I set the status filter to 'accepted'
08:52.18Kinnisonis that expected at this stage?
08:52.37olly_yes, nothing is actually accepted yet
08:53.03KinnisonI see
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08:53.20Kinnisonis slightly confused that there's not an indication on the org profile of *which* candidates have made it into slots
08:53.28KinnisonEven if it's only provisional at this point
08:53.35Kinnisonit'd be a good way for orgs to know they hadn't messed up
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08:54.43olly_yeah, there's a certain logic to the UI, but the proposal list should really show which you marked
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09:08.58KinnisonWell, that all makes sense now (even if it's some kind of twisted form of sense)
09:09.09Kinnisonshall depart this channel since it's nr 96 in an ever growing window set
09:09.11KinnisonThank you olly_
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13:34.33JordiGHI hope I  wasn't too distracted by Pycon to go to the IRC dedup meeting.
13:35.33NiharikaIt´s on 18th, I think.
13:36.10JordiGHAlrighty then!
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13:46.59kblin!next
13:47.01gsocbotkblin: "next" is Students for Google Summer of Code 2014 will be announced on 21 April, 2014 at 19:00 UTC
13:47.05kblinhmm
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13:47.58NiharikaOne week. :(
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14:18.28gsocbotniharika: "patience" is very important for GSoC/GCI. Relax and go code something useful.
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14:25.26Niharikagoogler_: I am coding something useful. But, hard to with these wrecking nerves. :P
14:27.06googler_Niharika: Same is with me and other students. We need a lot of *patience* these days.
14:27.15NiharikaIndeed.
14:28.23s1991If it is hard to code, how much haard it woud be to study when you have exam starting from from a day before gsoc resuts..
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14:35.14googler__s1991: I guess running away from internet, espicically IRC and more specifically #gsoc will help
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14:35.31googler__s1991: btw, good luck for the exams
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14:36.17s1991googler__: I tried running away, but somehow feels attractive towards it, thanks anyways
14:36.39kblinI could ban you from #gsoc, if that helps ;)
14:37.04s1991no................ :P
14:37.07googler__lol
14:37.15kblinjust saying..
14:37.17googler__kblin: Great! I got you
14:37.27googler__Do you maintain gsocbot
14:37.32kblinyes
14:37.39googler__!logs
14:37.40gsocbotgoogler__: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/
14:37.46s1991but nice idea, I can think of it
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14:38.05googler__kblin: It doesn't show today log
14:38.40googler__It is bad espcially if you got disconnected for a moment and want to see what you just missed
14:39.00kblinah, gsocbot doesn't do the logging
14:39.33kblininfobot does that
14:39.54googler__oh, that''s really surprising. I always thought it is gsocbot
14:39.55Niharikakblin: It´ll be helpful if you put the logs link in the channel message itself.
14:40.18googler__GSoC is full of surprises.
14:40.23kblin:)
14:40.41kblingoogler__: the ibot.rikers.org is a giveaway ;)
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14:42.00googler__Mission updated: Catch Tim Riker and ask him to update bot
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14:43.16kblinbut I think it dumps logs once a day
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14:43.51googler__yes, that's the problem. It doesn't does it each minute/second.
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15:25.50hornighiho, concerning the proposal acception. we did this in each of the proposals we want to accept, but on the dash board "list" view, it's still on pending. is that okay?
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16:44.37mollyawatsonHello, all! I was wondering about some statistical data from last year
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16:45.05teepee!numapps | mollyawatson
16:45.05gsocbotmollyawatson: "numapps" is In 2014, 4420 students submitted 6313 proposals. 190 of 371 mentoring orgs were accepted. 2013: 177/417 orgs; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students)
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16:45.40mollyawatsonfantastic, thank you!
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16:56.12chroanyone knows what will be the stipend for this year?
16:56.24chroI mean, how much will be*
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16:58.44viodchro: 5500 USD for the student and 500 for the org, according to http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#1._How_do_payments_work
16:59.22chrothanks
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17:05.22psychonthe org is paid, too...?
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17:06.17VarunAgwpsychon, Mentors only $500, I guess
17:06.32psychonso does the org get that money or the mentor...?
17:07.17VarunAgwMentors receive the money. What they do with it depends them and their organisation
17:07.46DragooonMan this wait is agonizing
17:08.07VarunAgw!patience | Dragooon
17:08.07gsocbotDragooon: "patience" is very important for GSoC/GCI. Relax and go code something useful.
17:08.26DragooonThis is enlightening
17:08.30VarunAgwlol
17:08.45DragooonAtleast with GCI we had the whole points table going on
17:08.50DragooonAlthough I guess that was removed last year
17:08.52teepeecan provide some small bugs from our issue list. that can help passing the time :)
17:09.00VarunAgwOk, Actually I also am also lacking patience
17:09.03Dragooonteepee: Which org?
17:09.10teepeeOpenSCAD
17:09.26DragooonAhh damn, not my thing :/
17:09.46teepeesome are creating nice example files :)
17:09.52VarunAgwis checking the timeline three times a day
17:10.50VarunAgwDragooon, So, were you in GCI 2013 or 2012?
17:11.30DragooonGCI 2011 :P
17:11.54psychonmeh...
17:11.58VarunAgwme too, Sahana Software Foundation
17:14.35DragooonNice
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17:16.15VaticanCameosA week to D-Day
17:16.36VarunAgw!next
17:16.37gsocbotVarunAgw: "next" is Students for Google Summer of Code 2014 will be announced on 21 April, 2014 at 19:00 UTC
17:17.03VaticanCameosDe-duplication checks tomorrow.
17:17.07VarunAgwThere is a meeting on 18th April
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17:22.07carolsserves some tea and coffee
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17:23.13psychonthanks!
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17:24.08carolsyw :-)
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17:47.21rajulcatallman: ping!!
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17:52.28gevaertspsychon: orgs get the money. Some of them pass it on to the mentors, some keep it for their expenses
17:52.41gevaertscan't let wrong information live :)
17:53.06psychonso now I have condraticionary info :p
17:53.25gevaertsYes, but my answer is correct!
17:53.32teepeethe link posted above does support gevaerts :)
17:54.07psychonok (I have to admit I didnt click it)
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17:57.36PulkoMandymentors get the shirts!
17:57.54gevaertsThere is that :)
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18:01.57psychonyay :)
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18:03.27DragooonVaticanCameos: I don’t even know if I’m duplicated :(, I know nothing :'(
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18:04.28gevaertsDragooon: good! The system is working, and nobody is trying to bend the rules!
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18:05.12Dragooongevaerts: Yes! That’s the entire problem, bend the damn system
18:05.19DragooonOr like…give indiciation or something :P
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18:12.22nickkyHi guys. Can anyone here answer a few q's on GSoC?
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18:12.52rajulnickky: hey....yeah sure...what are the questions??
18:13.02rajul!logs
18:13.02gsocbotrajul: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/
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18:14.56nickkyI've done CS as my undergrad, but now I'm doing a MA in music. I would want to apply to GSoC as a student, working on both code and music for the Wesnoth project. Is making the game resources outside the scope of GSoC?
18:15.57tierrawell, it is the "Summer of Code", not the "Summer of Music"
18:16.02tierra;)
18:16.04rajulnickky: not at all....but i am afraid you should discuss this with the specific org....wesnoth in this case...not here!!
18:16.47rajulnickky: you will definitely need to turn in a bit of code at the end though.....as tierra rightly pointed this is summer of code after all!! :)
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18:17.11nickkyof course i would, I was just unsure whether non-code activities would be frowned upon.
18:17.33nickkyYa, i know. and that would be the great learnign experience for me :-)
18:17.42nickkythanks for quick answers. :-)
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18:17.50rajulnickky: no...as far as i know...no they wont be....but coding need to form a good part of your project....
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18:18.12rajulnickky: but i think you should talk of this with the org directly
18:18.23nickkyi will :-) thanks.
18:18.24tierrathey are kind of discouraged for GSoC (for example, I know projects strictly proposing even large-scale updates to project documentation have been discouraged), but as rajul said, this is entirely up to your organization, not for us here -- talk about it with your potential mentors
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18:19.20rajulnickky: no problem :)
18:19.25teepeefrom what I've read google does have a say in that matter
18:19.41teepeeas the student is also supposed to send in sample code, right?
18:20.19rajulteepee: yes that is why i said that you need to turn in a bit of code in the end....
18:21.01rajulteepee: so if the project involves logical amount of coding....it may have music or anything else for that matter....on the side....
18:21.08rajuli dont think that should be a problem with anyone....
18:21.27tierrayeah, there's some flexibility here
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18:21.36rajulbut of course i am no authority on that....
18:21.42teepeeif it's just some dummy code change, it would be bending the rules in my view
18:21.57teepeebut having a combination is probably still a good thing
18:21.57tierraright, I don't think anyone mentioned that though
18:22.57rajulteepee: i think that is what the mentors and gsoc admins are there for...to assess that if the turned in code is a GSoC worthy effort.....
18:23.26rajuland yeah definitely a combination will be a good and innovative idea....
18:23.27catallmanrajul: belated ping back!
18:23.52rajulcatallman: hey
18:23.59rajulcatallman: i am applying to universities for Graduate admissions
18:24.19rajuland there i need to mention my GSoC experience (I participated in 2012)
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18:24.27nickkythank's all :-) bye
18:24.39rajulcatallman: so i have put in my designation.....during GSoC...
18:24.51rajulcatallman: what should i put in that field...
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18:25.22rajulcatallman: and who should i put in as my employer....GSoC or the org i participated with....
18:26.39catallmanRajul: the org. If I were you I would say something like, "interned with X org as part of google Summer of Code 2012" and provide a link to the code and/org the project site.
18:26.58rajulcatallman: the 4 fields i need to fill in are,,,,,name and address of employer, position held, and nature of work....
18:27.18catallmanOr "worked with" instead of "interned" since in some place the ord "intern" has a specific legal meaning.
18:27.23rajulcatallman: actaully there are 4 separate text boxes....
18:27.39rajul*actually
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18:28.27catallmanName is easy, address = link, position = student developer, nature of work = what I said before.
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18:29.00rajulcatallman: great...i shall do that....thanks!!
18:29.13catallmanYou're welcome :)  Good luck!
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18:42.52ahliddin_Hey guys!
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18:43.56ahliddin_Are you just simply waiting for the results after making your proposal or actively keeping touch with orgs?
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18:44.25bkuhnI am sorry if this is an FAQ, but I was just reading carols ' email and I had a question.
18:44.34bkuhnCan the students see that we've marked them for acceptance once we do?
18:47.19catallmanBkuhn: My understanding is, "no not yet."
18:48.46bkuhncatallman: Are you sure?  The reason being is we've given a final "test" to a student we're likely to accept.  I have confidence he'll pass the "test", but if we mark him as accepted, he surely won't. :)  We're 90% sure we want him and the test was to clinch the last 10%.
18:49.00olasdin previous years acceptance was org-only until the announcement by Google
18:49.22olasdI wouldn't expect that to change
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18:53.54catallmannothing is sure but death and taxes.
18:54.24catallmanAnd why would he not pass if he knew he is accepted?
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18:57.00bkuhncatallman: oh, good point. :)
18:57.17catallman:)
18:57.22bkuhnI guess if he fails to do this, I would take a second look at everyone else one last time.
18:57.31catallmanyup.
18:57.39bkuhnwhereas, if he does this task, he's so clearly the right choice.
18:57.49catallmanGood luck!
18:57.56bkuhnbut in his shoes, if I saw I was accepted already, I'd not be in a hurry to do the last thing asked of me. :)
18:58.29catallmanBut it's better to know that up front… I'm off to a meeting. ttfn.
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19:27.27MatthewWilkesevening all
19:27.45catallmanevening!
19:28.32gevaertsEvening
19:28.42gevaertsMatthewWilkes: looking forward to the beer?
19:29.11MatthewWilkesgevaerts: Very much so!
19:29.53MatthewWilkescatallman: How are things in SF? I didn't apply for IO tickets in the end so I (unfortunately) have no excuse to visit your lovely city in the near future
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19:31.23catallmanIt's a beautiful spring day for the GCI winners to be in MTV to have a tour and listen to talks from various Google engineers - and there may be a self-driving car ride in their future - not sure
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19:31.40catallmanHow's life on your side of the pond?
19:31.54MatthewWilkescatallman: Ah, wow, it's the grand prize winner day?
19:31.59MatthewWilkesAwesome
19:32.50catallmanIndeed! They got started last night at their hotel, today is Google Mountain View, tomorrow fun stuff in SF, Wed am at the Google SF office for a few more meals ;-)
19:33.00MatthewWilkesAll good here, very warm day for a change. Got nice tea at work now, too
19:33.13catallmanExcellent! Enjoy your tea!
19:33.45MatthewWilkescatallman: Keep them away from the buses!
19:34.04catallmanWhich buses? The GBuses?
19:34.06MatthewWilkesI haven't been down to the SF office yet, but if it's anything like mozilla's upstairs I'm jealous
19:34.22MatthewWilkesyeah, I hear there are issues with them being protested in some ares
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19:34.40catallmanMozilla does have a terrific deck! Much better for parties than ours. I know, first world problems ;-P
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19:35.13catallmanNext time you're at Mozilla SF you should come by - we'e in the same complex.
19:35.15MatthewWilkesWe set up a bar on it a few years ago, the bay looks amazing at sunset from the bar
19:35.26MatthewWilkesI shall, try out your lovely menu.
19:35.38catallmanYes it does! I've spoted dophins from our deck.
19:35.38MatthewWilkes;)
19:35.44catallman"spotted"
19:35.51MatthewWilkess/bar/desk/
19:35.53MatthewWilkesdeck
19:35.56MatthewWilkeswe just used it as a bar
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19:36.36catallmanThat works too. We hosted a Puppet gathering last year - they seemed to enjoy having a beer outside :)
19:36.54MatthewWilkescatallman: Half a dozen of my colleagues are going to MTV for work soon, I'm jealous. I'll have to try and wrangle one of those
19:37.08catallmanplease do It will be nice to see you :)
19:37.49catallmansigh - I should get back to proper aka less enjoyable work ;-)
19:37.51MatthewWilkesBy the same token, if you're in london for a melange thing anytime soon let me know!
19:38.01MatthewWilkeshah, enjoy!
19:38.04arunmathew88_Is there an archive for this channel?
19:38.13catallmanYes sir! I can only hope! I adore London.
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21:12.19trivedigauravHi everyone. if I get selected for gsoc, do I also have an option to work without accepting the stipend?
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21:17.19rajul_trivedigaurav: nope....
21:18.01rajul_trivedigaurav: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#18._pay
21:18.23rajul_trivedigaurav: just out of curiosity...why would you want to do that??
21:18.27trivedigauravOops. Missed that from the FAQs. Thanks!
21:19.01trivedigauravNothing just exploring my options.
21:19.34trivedigauravI may have to choose between a better paying less interesting intern vs. more interesting gsoc.
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21:20.38teepeetrivedigaurav: when will that decision happen?
21:21.33trivedigauravteepee: the gsoc results are due quite late :/ so will have to hold everything till then
21:22.21teepeething is dropping out once the selection is done is not a nice decision
21:22.43trivedigauravtepee: that
21:22.57trivedigaurav's true. but i can't drop the intern if I don't make it gsoc.
21:24.06teepeeI do understand the problems, I guess it's not just one student with that situation
21:25.37rajul_trivedigaurav: sounds good....well whatever you choose i shall say that you must inform your org before 21....if your intern is fixed before that...
21:25.48rajul_trivedigaurav: so that the org does not lose on a slot...
21:26.03teepeewell, 21st is too late for that
21:26.09trivedigauravi have an offer from the intern but I haven't accepted it yet because of gsoc.
21:26.42trivedigauravSo actually it's the other way round for me :/
21:26.47rajul_trivedigaurav: okay...then maybe you can put your problem in front of your mentor...and he can help you out about it....
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21:27.35rajul_trivedigaurav: as in he may tell you if you are selected or not....before the actual results.....so that you may not have to lose on the internship.;...
21:28.04teepeeno, he can't as that's against the rules set by google
21:28.08trivedigauravrajul_: is that possible? i thought it was not allowed to reveal that before 21st
21:28.08gevaertsdecides to be a spoilsport and point out that mentors aren't allowed to do this
21:29.05rajul_trivedigaurav: apparently as gevaerts and teepee say...it is not possible...(i did not know of that)....
21:29.32trivedigauravyeah. but thanks for trying to help out :D
21:29.52rajul_trivedigaurav: :)
21:30.25rajul_trivedigaurav: i think then you have no other option but wait till 21 before you can confirm your internship or GSoC....
21:30.42rajul_trivedigaurav: all the best!!
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21:30.54trivedigauravthanks!
21:30.56rajul_trivedigaurav: which org
21:30.58rajul_??
21:31.14trivedigauravrajul_: I submitted my proposal to Python
21:31.24rajul_trivedigaurav: hmm....okay
21:31.37rajul_trivedigaurav: i have also applied to PSF...
21:31.44rajul_which suborg then?? :P
21:31.53trivedigauravGreat!
21:31.55trivedigauravKivy
21:32.00trivedigauravHow about you?
21:32.05rajul_okay....i have to SunPy and TARDIS...
21:32.16trivedigauravThat's good!
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