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| 11:12.17 | miname | for anyone filling the foreign certification form, would a digital signature suffice? |
| 11:12.26 | miname | and any general tips? |
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| 11:18.04 | dhanush | miname: I dont think they want a digital signature. Google wants you to manually fill up the form. Scan it and then upload it. |
| 11:18.55 | miname | dhanush: k (y) I was too lazy to print out the form :D |
| 11:19.19 | dhanush | miname: looks like you will have to do exactly that. :) |
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| 11:34.13 | VarunAgw | I have sumitted digitally signed form and waiting for google to reject it so that I can submit a different one |
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| 13:02.22 | anonnona | hi |
| 13:02.29 | anonnona | any idea about the welcome packages? |
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| 13:03.47 | rishabh | hi, is anyone planning to work on any project from Kuwait |
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| 13:05.47 | Abhishek_ | When the welcome kit is dispatched, we will be mailed; is that correct? |
| 13:06.12 | Abhishek_ | or will we have to check in Melange regarding the shipment status? |
| 13:06.38 | kblin | I would focus on getting to know your project's community, not the welcome kit |
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| 13:08.39 | Abhishek_ | yes, that's in progress :) |
| 13:09.03 | anonnona | ^yes, the thing is i;m leaving the address mentioned on melange for a few days (20, to be spefic) |
| 13:09.27 | anonnona | so i should inform someone to take my courier on my behalf else it would return it back. |
| 13:09.37 | anonnona | that's why i asked.. |
| 13:09.49 | olly_ | anonnona: apparently students should get packages mid-late may |
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| 13:10.17 | olly_ | so i'd update your shipping address to somewhere you can still get mail |
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| 13:11.51 | anonnona | oh! thanks olly_ |
| 13:12.08 | angrycodr | did anyone get a confirmation email after filling the tax form ? |
| 13:12.13 | anonnona | actually the other day carols was taking about dispatching them on last friday, that got me worried |
| 13:13.01 | olly_ | my info's from an email she sent to mentors on 24th |
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| 13:15.26 | anonnona | ah great! thanks olly_ |
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| 13:22.42 | darnir | IIRC, students will receive the packages around the end of May. However, the labels have already been printed based on the address that existed on file on the 21st. |
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| 14:02.56 | VarunAgw | !proof |
| 14:02.56 | gsocbot | VarunAgw: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
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| 14:38.10 | amoghbl1_ | Does anyone know if the welcome packages have been shipped yet? |
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| 14:54.00 | rohit-dua | which OSI license is everybody using for their projects? |
| 14:54.39 | Uli- | Apache - obviously ;) |
| 14:54.50 | gevaerts | The one used by their organisation, probably |
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| 15:00.34 | mwilkes|wrk | rohit-dua: You almost certainly won't have a choice |
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| 15:01.43 | rohit-dua | mwilkes|wrk: yes, but my project is not entirely related to my org. so they gave me a choice. |
| 15:02.40 | PulkoMandy | http://choosealicense.com/ can help you |
| 15:03.03 | PulkoMandy | my personal favorites are MIT (for serious stuff), and WTFPL (for small fast-written single-file programs) |
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| 15:04.14 | somaen | If all you want is a way to say "Use it as you please", go for a BSD/MIT-license, if you want to say "Use it as you please but keep it OSS", go for GPLv2(+), if you want to say "Use it as you please, but keep it OSS, and don't sue me for patents", go for GPLv3(+) |
| 15:04.46 | mwilkes|wrk | rohit-dua, Really? What are you doing? |
| 15:04.56 | somaen | If you want to say "Sure, you can use my library in non OSS, as long as changes to the library stays OSS (with some caveats)", go LGPL. |
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| 15:05.23 | gevaerts | Check the nearby ecosystem |
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| 15:06.38 | neverpanic | Also, since you're in GSoC, GSoC's rules probably apply, which means only OSI-approved open source-licenses. |
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| 15:17.37 | raniere | somaen: nice quickly explanation |
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| 15:27.39 | somaen | Well, it's also a very VERY simplified explanation. |
| 15:28.14 | somaen | And only really covers the difference between copyleft and BSD-style licensing. |
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| 15:28.59 | somaen | Hopefully my personal preferences didn't shine through in any way, shape or form, as I'd hate to give a biased view. |
| 15:30.09 | Uli- | somaen: you forgot "use it as you please and don't sue me" (Apache) |
| 15:31.19 | gevaerts | Don't forget the details and subtle incompatibilities if you start combining licenses. If you're building a library, those can matter |
| 15:31.28 | somaen | Well, to be honest, I don't really like licenses, so I'm not that well versed in the finer details of the various choices outside the ones I listed. |
| 15:31.30 | Uli- | yeah. |
| 15:31.48 | Uli- | license choice is nasty |
| 15:32.14 | somaen | What gevaerts mentions is the reason for why I don't like licenses. |
| 15:32.23 | somaen | Sadly, it gets even worse if you don't have one. |
| 15:33.07 | somaen | My choice is usually pragmatic, based on what I'm working on, and what it has to be compatible with. |
| 15:33.07 | PulkoMandy | if you don't have a licence, no one else can use your code. it's simple. |
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| 15:33.23 | PulkoMandy | (but it's not OSI approved) |
| 15:33.24 | somaen | PulkoMandy: That depends on which country you're in I guess. |
| 15:33.43 | somaen | But the no-license case is sadly a bit common over on github. |
| 15:34.28 | PulkoMandy | yes, a good thing that google project hosting is making a choice of licence mandatory |
| 15:34.30 | somaen | Anyhow, IANAL, and especially not an international IP-one, so I have no idea how, or if a concept of public domain, or "released source" exists in any given country. |
| 15:34.54 | PulkoMandy | public domain doesn't exist here in France, at least |
| 15:35.07 | somaen | Well, for _old_ books I guess |
| 15:35.10 | PulkoMandy | you can use the unlicense or WTFPL or CC0 to get as close as possible to it |
| 15:35.29 | PulkoMandy | well, yes, 70 years after author death, but I don't consider this a good way to release my own work :> |
| 15:37.43 | somaen | Well, generation (Y+suitablyLargeNumberDependingOnAverageLifeSpanInUpComingGenerations) will get to use it under PD. |
| 15:38.20 | Uli- | still, a book who's copyright expired is still not public domain - we simply don't have such a construct in european law. public domain basically means giving up ownership which isn't possible here. |
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| 15:39.12 | somaen | IIRC, the concept of having the lone right of reproduction of the work is what expires. |
| 15:39.43 | somaen | But what that entails, and whether that happens at all, might depend on the country. |
| 15:40.00 | Uli- | exactly |
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| 15:59.33 | mwilkes|wrk | carols! |
| 15:59.42 | carols | hi mwilkes|wrk |
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| 16:16.47 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 16:16.53 | Dragooon | steals the coffee |
| 16:16.54 | Dragooon | Mine |
| 16:16.59 | gafsa_lagare | !faq |
| 16:17.00 | gsocbot | gafsa_lagare: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page |
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| 16:39.47 | choupy | ping carols |
| 16:39.52 | carols | choupy: pong |
| 16:40.10 | choupy | I don't know if you can help me with these matters, |
| 16:40.31 | choupy | but I've been receiving the abridged summary of the gsoc-students-list google groups, |
| 16:40.38 | carols | okay.. |
| 16:40.41 | choupy | but when I try to access the threads themselves, I am not allowed to |
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| 16:40.52 | amoghbl1_ | hey carols , have the welcome packages been sent? There's no update on the melange website :/ |
| 16:40.56 | carols | choupy: you can email me |
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| 16:40.57 | choupy | although I believe this is sent to my gmail address, which I used on google melange iirc |
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| 16:41.16 | carols | amoghbl1_: if there’s not update on the melange website you should ask the melange developers why... |
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| 16:41.53 | choupy | carols: can I contact you via clicking the "contact the owner" link on the list page? |
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| 16:42.04 | carols | choupy: sure. or just email me directly. |
| 16:42.12 | choupy | alright, I'll do just that then |
| 16:42.13 | choupy | thanks |
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| 16:46.59 | amoghbl1_ | No, I meant have they been shipped and not updated on the website or haven't they been shipped yet... carols |
| 16:47.13 | carols | amoghbl1_: it depends on where you live. some have been shipped, some haven't. |
| 16:47.26 | amoghbl1_ | India... |
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| 17:01.28 | solistice | as far as I know amoghbl1_, nothing is shipped to india? |
| 17:01.38 | solistice | isn't it one of the countries where they couldnt send anything? |
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| 17:01.45 | amoghbl1_ | nope solistice |
| 17:02.14 | carols | solistice: no, that’s not a customs-restricted country. |
| 17:02.43 | carols | amoghbl1_: as per my email, please don’t ask about packages unless you haven’t received yours by 23 may. |
| 17:02.56 | amoghbl1_ | oh, OK, sorry carols |
| 17:03.01 | carols | it’s fine |
| 17:03.06 | carols | there’s over 1,300 students to ship to |
| 17:03.13 | carols | everyone has a different situation |
| 17:03.20 | carols | i can’t answer everyone of you individually about where yours is |
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| 17:06.37 | Niharika | gives carols a hug. Thank you for all putting this all together. :) |
| 17:06.43 | carols | Niharika: thanks :-) |
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| 17:11.56 | chro | hi |
| 17:12.05 | carols | hi chro |
| 17:12.26 | chro | in the main page of the gsoc2014 I can see a photo with several students saying below "Students - Registrations is already closed" |
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| 17:12.46 | carols | chro: indeed, that is the case... |
| 17:12.52 | chro | do students gather together to take photos? why I am not in that photo? |
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| 17:13.01 | carols | chro: the photo? |
| 17:13.10 | carols | i believe the photo you’re talking about is a picture of our mentors |
| 17:13.12 | carols | at the mentor summit. |
| 17:13.15 | VarunAgw | lol |
| 17:13.50 | chro | are you sure? it says "Students" below. And I want to appear in the future photos |
| 17:14.04 | carols | chro: just because it says students doesn’t mean the picture is of students. |
| 17:14.14 | somaen | They _might_ be students. |
| 17:14.21 | somaen | just not GSoC students. |
| 17:14.59 | carols | chro: i think this is the photo you mean? http://ivoire.dinauz.org/ressources/gms2010.jpg |
| 17:15.02 | chro | even though, I think it is not fair that mentors are able to appear in the website and student not |
| 17:15.17 | carols | chro: i’m sorry you feel that way. |
| 17:16.01 | somaen | It would be a challenge to have such a photo from any preceding year though. |
| 17:16.10 | somaen | Since there is no Student Summit. |
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| 17:16.35 | Abhishek_ | carols is sitting at the bottom... |
| 17:16.42 | carols | Abhishek_: that’s correct. |
| 17:16.56 | chro | with the pink hair, very cool |
| 17:17.06 | downey | I have seen lots of great photos from GSoC info sessions with actual/current/former/potential students, posted on the Google OSPO blog. :-) |
| 17:17.20 | carols | what downey said |
| 17:17.22 | somaen | To be fair, the photo used in the Mentor Summit 2013 also lacks me, as I had a 50:50 chance of being in it. |
| 17:17.44 | somaen | (Which is my own fault, for not showing up in time for the photo) |
| 17:18.50 | somaen | The 2010 one seems to be taken somewhere else than the 2012 one, but in the same place as in 2013 though. |
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| 17:19.37 | Abhishek_ | I remember being mentioned on the channel that Students are invited to this summit too, is that correct? |
| 17:19.50 | Abhishek_ | (this year's summit, I mean) |
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| 17:21.03 | carols | Abhishek_: http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2013/10/google-code-in-2013-and-google-summer.html |
| 17:23.27 | somaen | Which says "all our Google Summer of Code organization alumni" atleast. |
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| 17:24.23 | Abhishek_ | carols: the expenses we have to take care to attend this summit apart from the travel expenses would be? |
| 17:24.37 | carols | Abhishek_: all that will be announced when we’re ready to announce it. |
| 17:24.42 | VarunAgw | I remembers mailing list last year was stuffed with posts titled "When GSoC will be announced" |
| 17:24.47 | Abhishek_ | okay |
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| 17:25.35 | somaen | VarunAgw: To be fair, GSoC itself was announced VERY early this year. |
| 17:26.06 | VarunAgw | somaen, yes, only this year |
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| 17:27.11 | somaen | Nobody ever promised a GSoC (n+1) when GSoC n was running though. |
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| 17:29.05 | VarunAgw | yeah! |
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| 18:30.15 | ice[9] | is there a facebook group for GSoC 14 ? |
| 18:31.22 | MisterA | I was pleasantly surprised to receive a package this morning :> |
| 18:31.48 | carols | ice[9]: we don’t use facebook |
| 18:31.52 | ice[9] | MisterA .. ah you're just saying that to make us all tempted :D |
| 18:32.03 | ice[9] | carols: i see ;) :D |
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| 18:32.42 | ice[9] | btw, has facebook ever been involved in OSS ? |
| 18:32.52 | ice[9] | i am not sure if i should ask this here.. |
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| 18:33.51 | gevaerts | ice[9]: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2010/facebook |
| 18:33.53 | carols | ice[9]: sure, they participated in gsoc |
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| 18:36.30 | ice[9] | that's nice to know... apparently just gsoc 2010 has a fb page or something like that :D |
| 18:36.46 | neverpanic | ice[9]: https://code.facebook.com/projects/ |
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| 18:39.15 | ice[9] | never knew fb had an OSS initiative as such.. |
| 18:39.50 | diadara | ice[9]: they have opensourced lot of things, like the php vm they are working on |
| 18:40.16 | diadara | and some js stuff |
| 18:40.26 | ice[9] | okay, rookie question: where do you guys get your OSS news from ? |
| 18:40.53 | diadara | hacker news, reddit |
| 18:40.55 | ice[9] | i mean as a researcher, i subscribe to mailing lists to get updates about the conferences and papers in my area.. |
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| 18:41.09 | ice[9] | diadara: thanks.. |
| 18:41.12 | gevaerts | That's going to depend on which area you're interested in |
| 18:41.17 | gevaerts | reads lwn |
| 18:41.50 | ice[9] | hacker news is something i followed years ago when i was a hardcore coder... |
| 18:42.06 | ice[9] | nice to see it's still popular |
| 18:43.11 | ice[9] | what about security? what are the good places to follow that? |
| 18:43.48 | ilv | seclists.org |
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| 18:50.32 | Manishearth | ice[9]: security.stackexchange.com |
| 18:50.41 | Manishearth | Also, read through OWASP |
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| 18:50.53 | Manishearth | And take part in CTFs if you have time |
| 18:51.10 | ice[9] | stackexchange and OWASP are two places I wonder a lot these days :) |
| 18:51.20 | ice[9] | CTFs ? what's that? |
| 18:51.22 | downey | Friendly reminder about ##gsoc-offtopic |
| 18:52.05 | ice[9] | right! thanks :) |
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| 20:19.07 | MatthewWilkes | *yawn* |
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| 20:55.10 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
| 20:57.19 | Abhishek_ | pumps out two glasses of coffee |
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| 21:03.07 | Lyude | carols, speaking of coffee, if you wouldn't mind me asking: how many cups of coffee would you estimate you drink per day? I'm doing a project for my stats class and I figured it'd be interesting to get answers from people who work jobs in computer science |
| 21:03.42 | carols | Lyude: per day? on average? half a cup. some days i have coffee some days tea |
| 21:03.52 | Lyude | Alright, thanks! |
| 21:03.55 | carols | cheers |
| 21:03.59 | SHMD | Lyude: can i share mine as well ? :P |
| 21:04.01 | downey | a day without tea is like a day without smiles |
| 21:04.03 | Lyude | Yeah sure |
| 21:04.20 | Lyude | Helps to get as many people as I can anyway |
| 21:04.36 | SHMD | once a day usually but twice, thrice or even more when the day involves extensive programming :P |
| 21:04.51 | SHMD | Actually its sort of directly proportional haha |
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| 21:05.30 | Lyude | Alright, thanks! |
| 21:05.57 | SHMD | btw, what's the ten year reunion event which was mentioned for this year ? |
| 21:06.20 | SHMD | will it be in different countries when students form respective countries will get together ? |
| 21:06.40 | carols | SHMD: you’ll know more about it as soon as we know more about it. |
| 21:07.19 | SHMD | carols: I see. but will it be one event or multiple for different coutnries ? |
| 21:07.34 | carols | SHMD: one event. my team has already traveled to 10 countries this year. |
| 21:07.44 | carols | we don’t want to do even more travel :-) |
| 21:07.50 | SHMD | Yeah read about that. |
| 21:08.06 | SHMD | That's actually great how you travelled to 10 countries :) |
| 21:08.11 | carols | :-) |
| 21:08.12 | SHMD | your team* i mean |
| 21:09.06 | SHMD | carols: any plans for sharing statistics for each country students this year ? |
| 21:09.08 | neverpanic | Lyude: coffeestats.org |
| 21:09.17 | carols | SHMD: sure, why not just have some tea and relax? |
| 21:09.22 | carols | we just accepted students a week ago. |
| 21:09.26 | carols | my team is 4 people. |
| 21:09.32 | carols | we’ve got 500 things going on right now. |
| 21:09.40 | carols | we’re getting to things as quickly as possible |
| 21:09.49 | SHMD | ohk didn't wanted to ask for pacing this up |
| 21:09.54 | SHMD | Just shared thoughts |
| 21:10.03 | carols | just relax. |
| 21:10.14 | carols | everything will be announced and revealed at exactly the moment we are ready to do so |
| 21:10.16 | SHMD | Sure. don't mind pealse |
| 21:10.20 | carols | thanks |
| 21:10.34 | SHMD | i understand - Cheers mam |
| 21:10.42 | carols | cheers |
| 21:12.07 | Lyude | neverpanic, now I just have to figure out if I can use this, haha |
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| 22:59.12 | downey | carols - great job on the videos |
| 22:59.25 | carols | downey: thanks, i had nothing to do with editing them :-) |
| 22:59.49 | downey | well, congrats to all involved :) |
| 22:59.55 | carols | thanks very much :-) |
| 23:00.01 | carols | you like the way yours turned out? |
| 23:01.37 | downey | carols: not bad if i do say so myself :) |
| 23:01.44 | carols | awesome :-) |
| 23:01.58 | downey | as many takes as it took me to get coherent sentences out, the editors earned their pay |
| 23:02.35 | carols | and hopefully it brings more awareness to the orgs and the mentors :-) |
| 23:03.00 | meflin | I did like Ians |
| 23:03.22 | carols | me too :-) |
| 23:03.26 | meflin | a bit put out he didn't call out the meenie :D |
| 23:03.54 | meflin | I did book mark that one for when I feel a big down about gsoc |
| 23:04.35 | downey | carols: should be very good PR material, and useful just in case anyone doubts the budget :) |
| 23:04.45 | carols | downey: we’ll see :-) |
| 23:04.49 | carols | we never know for certain. |
| 23:05.12 | downey | the overview video had some really emotional music :) |
| 23:05.41 | meflin | heh so have a linky to your downey ? |
| 23:06.43 | downey | meflin: http://google.com/+OpenMRSorg |
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| 23:07.55 | meflin | ah we have met |
| 23:08.57 | downey | yes we have :) |
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| 23:09.14 | meflin | I do not do well with putting names to faces ;) |
| 23:09.45 | downey | me either, but google does better than me |
| 23:09.50 | meflin | heh |
| 23:10.17 | olly_ | meflin: perhaps you should make some sort of book of faces |
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| 23:12.14 | meflin | good to know there is editing ... I might go off on a 1/2 hour rant about tea at any time ;) |
| 23:12.47 | downey | carols: Do you know if there's a "legit" GSoC community group on G+? |
| 23:14.04 | carols | downey: um, i don’t think so? i didn’t make one, that’s for sure |
| 23:14.19 | carols | oh, no |
| 23:14.26 | carols | well |
| 23:14.28 | carols | nevermind |
| 23:14.37 | carols | the answer is no :) |
| 23:14.37 | downey | would you be opposed if someone made an unofficial one? maybe it'd cut down on some list noise? |
| 23:16.05 | downey | carols: ^ |
| 23:16.29 | carols | downey: no, that’s fine. i don’t have the time to manage *another* social media thing, though |
| 23:16.48 | downey | yeah i don't think it'd be a place for official comms |
| 23:16.52 | downey | will take care of it |
| 23:16.58 | carols | great |
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| 23:28.54 | meflin | why :P |
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