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| 10:36.54 | YgritteWillDie | !logs |
| 10:36.55 | gsocbot | YgritteWillDie: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 10:37.13 | YgritteWillDie | !thanks |
| 10:37.13 | gsocbot | YgritteWillDie: "thanks" is You're welcome! |
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| 10:44.54 | YgritteWillDie | !bye |
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| 10:46.00 | YgritteWillDie | how can I query gsocbot in /query gsocbot ? |
| 10:46.35 | YgritteWillDie | It always say that you have incorrect query so I will mute you for 10 minutes :\ |
| 10:46.54 | VarunAgw__ | Use !whatis #gsoc logs |
| 10:48.03 | YgritteWillDie | !thanks | VarunAgw__ |
| 10:48.04 | gsocbot | VarunAgw__: "thanks" is You're welcome! |
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| 13:22.39 | Raydiation | hi, does someone know how to unsubscribe from the gsoc mentors list? cant find a link |
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| 13:33.32 | kblin | Raydiation: log into google groups? |
| 13:35.47 | Raydiation | kblin: ty |
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| 15:39.28 | sachith500 | hello guys, payoneer called me the other day and asked about transferring the money to my card account |
| 15:39.38 | sachith500 | I told them I'd gotten a bank transfer |
| 15:40.01 | sachith500 | they said ok but today I've gotten a new mail sayng that my "replacement card" is on the way |
| 15:40.32 | meflin | sounds like a payoneer support issue |
| 15:40.37 | sachith500 | yeah |
| 15:40.44 | sachith500 | I'll talk with them then |
| 15:40.57 | sachith500 | just wanted to see if it happened to anyone else |
| 15:42.01 | Turl | sachith500: I also got the 'replacement card' email |
| 15:42.14 | Turl | but I did sign up for the card |
| 15:42.25 | sachith500 | oh |
| 15:42.29 | Turl | and it still hasn't arrived |
| 15:42.29 | sachith500 | you didn't enter the PIN? |
| 15:42.33 | sachith500 | I see |
| 15:42.35 | sachith500 | I got mine |
| 15:42.44 | sachith500 | but I switched to a transfer account |
| 15:42.50 | Turl | did you activate it? |
| 15:42.51 | sachith500 | so I didnt register the PIN |
| 15:42.52 | sachith500 | no |
| 15:43.02 | Turl | that must be why then |
| 15:43.02 | sachith500 | I got a bank transfer |
| 15:43.05 | sachith500 | yeah |
| 15:43.09 | sachith500 | I should let them know I guess |
| 15:43.14 | Turl | I got an email some days ago saying I should activate my card |
| 15:43.18 | sachith500 | they mind send me even more, otherwise :P |
| 15:43.20 | sachith500 | yeah me too |
| 15:43.25 | Turl | I did nothing as I hadn't gotten it yet |
| 15:43.29 | sachith500 | but they called me |
| 15:43.34 | sachith500 | the other day |
| 15:43.35 | Turl | and their site said I'd get it like next week or the other |
| 15:43.41 | sachith500 | I see |
| 15:43.58 | sachith500 | I was called by one of their reps asking whether they should transfer the money |
| 15:44.03 | Turl | for some reason they changed their mind and shipped me another one via DHL :p |
| 15:44.05 | sachith500 | I told them I had a transfer account |
| 15:44.09 | sachith500 | oh |
| 15:44.10 | sachith500 | :P |
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| 16:04.49 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
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| 16:05.33 | meflin | sleeply takes some tea |
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| 16:11.19 | downey | mmm, delicious tea |
| 16:12.55 | meflin | I was so buried alive with work yesterday ... I didn't finish my tea .... |
| 16:13.17 | downey | heresy! |
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| 16:13.32 | meflin | benchmark of bad day |
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| 16:13.58 | meflin | blows the steam off his mug .. today will be better |
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| 16:16.35 | downey | carols: i've a probably-obvious-answer question |
| 16:16.39 | carols | sure |
| 16:16.41 | carols | go for it |
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| 16:17.22 | downey | carols: can/should orgs invoice for flights before the flight actually happens but is already paid? |
| 16:17.47 | carols | downey: yeah, of course. you just need a receipt |
| 16:18.11 | downey | carols: ok ... couldn't recall doing it before-hand in previous years, and some companies are picky :) |
| 16:18.13 | downey | thanks! |
| 16:18.23 | carols | the process is supposed to be request po —> receive po —> book flight —> invoice for flight —> take flight |
| 16:18.43 | downey | fantastic. it was the last 2 steps i wanted to confirm. thanks! |
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| 16:18.48 | carols | cheers |
| 16:18.54 | meflin | or request po —> receive po —> book flight —> procrastinate —> take flight |
| 16:19.07 | carols | meflin: i hate it when orgs do it that way :-( |
| 16:19.14 | carols | makes my finance people so crazy at me |
| 16:19.32 | carols | they want to know why theres this multi-thousand-dollar PO just sitting there unused |
| 16:20.29 | meflin | usually I'm the procrastinator for for MS I've been timely and the finance ppl then .. procrastinate for me |
| 16:21.07 | meflin | s/for for/but for/ |
| 16:22.31 | meflin | hmm |
| 16:22.42 | carols | everyone procrastinates. |
| 16:22.49 | carols | that’s the biggest lesson i’ve learned running this program. |
| 16:22.55 | meflin | I wonder if orgs that have finance ppl .. that those ppl think they can't do the PO untill after MS |
| 16:23.15 | carols | some of the orgs don’t even know what a PO is. |
| 16:23.21 | carols | so i imagine they don’t have finance people. |
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| 16:23.48 | meflin | I've never not sent in my receipts right off the bat .. but I never got a reimbursement till _MONTHS after MS |
| 16:24.03 | meflin | and in both cases there where finance ppl |
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| 16:26.28 | meflin | hmm thats true .. most ppl dont know what a PO is and it can even be more then 1 thing |
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| 16:26.36 | carols | yeah. |
| 16:26.40 | carols | makes my life harder. |
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| 16:30.08 | meflin | well there is tea |
| 16:30.16 | carols | yes there is. |
| 16:30.23 | carols | and that makes a lot of things right with the world |
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| 16:31.04 | meflin | should be getting an order in today ... I've fallen below 40 choices |
| 16:31.08 | meflin | life is so hard |
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| 16:31.19 | carols | yes it is :-) |
| 16:31.39 | downey | carols: i don't suppose we have anything to update in the supplier system if we're now a 501(c)(3) this year, do we? |
| 16:31.54 | carols | downey: um, i don’t know? |
| 16:31.59 | carols | not my area of expertise. |
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| 16:32.04 | downey | shrugs |
| 16:32.04 | carols | you’re welcome to email them to ask. |
| 16:32.08 | downey | i shall |
| 16:32.16 | downey | although i don't imagine there are any tax considerations for reimbursements |
| 16:32.30 | meflin | you might be surprised :P |
| 16:32.35 | downey | i usually am. |
| 16:32.47 | downey | could never be a tax expert |
| 16:32.55 | meflin | to be fair I'm thinking of an old situation where it was a 501-not-c |
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| 16:33.19 | downey | carols: the p2phelp address? |
| 16:33.24 | carols | yes |
| 16:33.32 | downey | okie dokie |
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| 17:07.20 | carols | so nice and quiet in here :-) |
| 17:07.21 | carols | i love it |
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| 17:07.54 | stqism | carols: It's like the opposite of right before a deadline |
| 17:08.00 | carols | so nice :-) |
| 17:08.16 | meflin | where is marty to play us some jaz |
| 17:08.25 | stqism | It's surprising, at best |
| 17:08.50 | meflin | stqism: with xp you will learn to enjoy it ;) |
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| 17:09.22 | stqism | meflin: Heh, I suppose your first rodeo is always the most exciting |
| 17:09.29 | gevaerts | carols: we're all busy preparing the storm |
| 17:09.37 | carols | gevaerts: thanks :-P |
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| 17:10.52 | meflin | stqism: that is true then you cherish the down time to recharge |
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| 18:10.12 | meflin | hmm carols do you take sugar in your tea? |
| 18:10.16 | carols | meflin: nope |
| 18:10.22 | carols | i don’t really eat sugar. |
| 18:10.28 | meflin | boo evil plan 97 fail |
| 18:10.46 | carols | i don’t really eat chocolate either, if that’s the next question :-) |
| 18:10.54 | meflin | it was not :D |
| 18:10.58 | carols | and i only add sugar to my coffee if it’s terrible but i need the caffeine |
| 18:11.12 | meflin | but while I am it how about whiskey? |
| 18:11.28 | carols | sure, i love whiskey. |
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| 18:12.16 | meflin | steeples fingers |
| 18:12.22 | meflin | excellent |
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| 18:16.20 | gamma_version | !logs |
| 18:16.20 | gsocbot | gamma_version: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 18:18.05 | gamma_version | Will first funds be released on 19 may or till 19 may? |
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| 18:18.52 | carols | gamma_version: assume they won’t be there until 23 may. |
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| 18:19.00 | carols | if you get it early, it will be a nice surprise. |
| 18:19.07 | carols | but banking systems can take a long time. |
| 18:20.27 | gamma_version | ok, thanks :) Local funds transfer take generally take around 3-4 days in my country. |
| 18:20.59 | carols | exactly. |
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| 18:36.11 | kremlin- | remember to upload your tax forms everybody :) |
| 18:36.20 | carols | kremlin-: only if they want to be paid :-) |
| 18:36.28 | carols | if they don’t want any money, that’s a good way to avoid getting it |
| 18:36.56 | kremlin- | it's also a great way to get in trouble with the IRS lol |
| 18:37.02 | carols | also true. |
| 18:37.34 | VarunAgw_ | carols, Does it ever happened that a student worked without getting paid? |
| 18:37.47 | carols | VarunAgw_: not for very long. it’s against our rules. |
| 18:37.52 | carols | _but_ |
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| 18:38.03 | carols | they can go until the midterm exam without getting paid |
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| 18:38.21 | carols | because we can give anyone up to $600 before we have tax problems |
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| 18:38.28 | carols | but why? |
| 18:38.34 | carols | why wouldn’t they just submit a silly form? |
| 18:38.42 | carols | saves everyone so much time and energy. |
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| 18:39.23 | umccullough | i can think of some reasons, but they basically suggest something fraudulent going on ;) |
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| 18:39.36 | carols | yeah.. |
| 18:39.39 | carols | that makes me sad. |
| 18:40.01 | umccullough | yep |
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| 19:14.08 | ashepelev | Hello! I understand that it's a question to payoneer. I've already sent them the question mail. So... is it normal that I've recieved two (2) plastic cards? (with different card numbers) |
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| 19:27.05 | toso | ashepelev: Have you activated your first card? |
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| 19:53.16 | ashepelev | To my prev post - I solved the problem, it's abnormal - if you have the same situation - just contact the support - they'll block the second one |
| 19:54.22 | ashepelev | I believe that Google will transfer money to the first one, which is activated |
| 19:55.16 | toso | ashepelev: I belive that they transfer money to your account, the card is a way out of your money |
| 19:55.59 | ashepelev | toso: Ah, Ok thanks |
| 19:56.31 | ashepelev | toso: btw, may be you know, I'm from Russia and I've read that we won't get any Google packages, it true? |
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| 19:56.51 | toso | ashepelev: I'm not sure too. I had the same problem, and also concat the payonner and they have blocked the second card too. |
| 19:56.56 | toso | contact* |
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| 19:57.39 | toso | ashepelev: here, in brazil, we don't receive the wellcome package as FAQ says |
| 19:58.15 | toso | ashepelev: Russia too, don't receive the wellcome package. |
| 19:58.49 | ashepelev | toso: that's said :( |
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| 19:59.00 | ashepelev | s/said/sad |
| 19:59.35 | ashepelev | And no T-shirts too |
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| 20:00.56 | ashepelev | I've read that some guys set their post address to foreign post companies to redirect the delivery later |
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| 20:01.15 | carols | ashepelev: i think some women did it too. |
| 20:02.04 | ashepelev | carols: yes, i meant gsoc participants |
| 20:02.09 | carols | cool |
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| 21:02.46 | sss | Inspite of being a contributor via gsoc to open source world are there any great opportunities for a student as being gsoc'er? |
| 21:03.46 | meflin | bettering the world, being a contributor to your project isn't enough? |
| 21:04.03 | carols | sss: what exactly do you have in mind? |
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| 21:04.53 | sss | as a future job opportunity, I'm talking about |
| 21:05.06 | carols | yes, but i don’t know what you mean by that. |
| 21:05.12 | carols | you mean with the org? |
| 21:05.19 | meflin | one of my previous students landed a job and a TOP company .. mostly on his skills |
| 21:05.20 | carols | if that’s the case, you should ask them about it. |
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| 21:05.37 | sss | meflin: I guess anyone can not code his whole life for opensource without being paid |
| 21:05.54 | meflin | <-- never paid |
| 21:06.02 | VarunAgw_ | Most people work part time |
| 21:06.29 | sss | meflin: other than gsoc, because its just a 3 month work |
| 21:06.45 | sss | and also only for students |
| 21:06.52 | carols | sss: it sounds like you’re talking about getting a job with your org. to which i again say: you should talk to them about it |
| 21:06.56 | meflin | well I was never a student ... but I've also never coded for $ |
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| 21:07.51 | sss | carols: I'm talking of job certainly, but not only with my org. do other org./company prefer gsoc'er studnts |
| 21:08.19 | carols | sss: if you’re interested in another location for a job, the best people to ask about what they like are them. |
| 21:08.27 | sss | meflin: but there must be some sources of earnings for you |
| 21:08.53 | VarunAgw_ | meflin, or you are Bill Gates ;) |
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| 21:09.06 | meflin | of course i like to eat |
| 21:09.47 | umccullough | i've never been paid for my FOSS participation |
| 21:09.53 | umccullough | but then, i have a day job too ;) |
| 21:10.28 | sss | umccullough: that's what I'm asking, does a participation in gsoc can help me in getting jobs? |
| 21:10.36 | umccullough | yes? |
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| 21:10.43 | umccullough | it looks good on a resume/cv at least |
| 21:11.06 | sss | have you seen the case like this |
| 21:11.09 | umccullough | and i dare say, you learn far better development skills and habits in FOSS than you do in the private sector |
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| 21:11.49 | meflin | I would ( having been in the hiring position ) favorably on a sucessfull gsoc |
| 21:12.05 | umccullough | when i mentioned a FOSS project on my resume, i was asked about it during an interview, and i'm pretty sure it impressed my current employer |
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| 21:12.40 | sss | and what about off campus jobs? |
| 21:12.48 | VarunAgw_ | Certificate from G is very impressive. |
| 21:13.17 | umccullough | honestly, the gsoc part doesn't make much different IMO |
| 21:13.34 | meflin | like all gsoc and all non-gsoc I would grill you with the hard questions |
| 21:13.34 | umccullough | working with a reputable FOSS project, on the other hand, matters |
| 21:14.38 | umccullough | if you came to me and said: "google paid me to write code for a couple months", i might raise my eyebrows... |
| 21:14.41 | meflin | umccullough: not sure that is true ... gsoc means that at least some org considered you good enough |
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| 21:14.55 | umccullough | but if you said: "yeah, I impelmented X, Y, and Z for KDE"... that's impressive |
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| 21:15.38 | meflin | oh well you had best include your actual work |
| 21:15.40 | umccullough | meflin, maybe, but writing code that is actually accepted and used by a project is probably more important |
| 21:16.04 | umccullough | gsoc is just a program that helps make that a reality |
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| 21:18.02 | meflin | very true |
| 21:18.38 | sss | In other words I'm worried about my future, because I've been very bad at my academics :P |
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| 21:21.11 | VarunAgw_ | I think good companies generally don't care much about academic results |
| 21:21.20 | meflin | time to stop worrying and just excell at doing |
| 21:21.58 | sss | ya, thanks. May forces be with me |
| 21:22.24 | umccullough | it's all about real world experience |
| 21:23.43 | VarunAgw_ | yep, I am sure if you are able to get selected in GSoC and successfully complete a project, it shows you are good enough and are not likely to get in trouble when looking for a good job. |
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| 21:24.23 | umccullough | you can explain away bad grades as: "it was boring stuff, I was writing code in my spare time" |
| 21:24.25 | umccullough | ;) |
| 21:25.26 | sss | Hey, I got mail regarding Reunion, so every org. can choose their 2 delegates regardless of the no. of the student got selected for their org |
| 21:25.51 | umccullough | this year is special, in previous years, only admins and mentors were allowed to go |
| 21:26.10 | umccullough | so yes, only two per org |
| 21:26.14 | VarunAgw_ | Is I am the only one or others here also noticed most of the GSoC aspirant here dislike college? |
| 21:26.34 | umccullough | i think most real world software developers dislike college |
| 21:26.41 | sss | yep, very much |
| 21:26.43 | umccullough | because you don't really learn what you need to know |
| 21:27.04 | meflin | la la la |
| 21:27.08 | VarunAgw_ | oh, so I am real world software developer by your definition. Yay! :) |
| 21:27.23 | umccullough | that's not what i defined it as |
| 21:27.37 | sss | so, it would be beneficial for me for Reunion as my org has only 3 slots |
| 21:27.54 | umccullough | msot doctors wear white coats, but that doesn't mean that wearing a white coat makes you a doctor :P |
| 21:27.56 | sss | out of that 2 get to go |
| 21:28.06 | carols | sss: your org can’t possibly have three slots for the reunion. |
| 21:28.09 | carols | all orgs get two. |
| 21:28.11 | meflin | sss: so you are admin/mentor? or student? |
| 21:28.24 | VarunAgw_ | umccullough, I know I was just kidding |
| 21:28.46 | sss | carols: I know but they have 2 slots, which make more of my chances |
| 21:28.52 | carols | ah, okay. |
| 21:29.04 | meflin | 2 slots that usualy go to mentors/admins |
| 21:29.12 | umccullough | indeed |
| 21:29.16 | VarunAgw_ | sss, Remeber students are very less likely to get a slot from org. |
| 21:29.19 | umccullough | we would probably send a mentor over a student |
| 21:29.26 | umccullough | unless none of hte mentors could go |
| 21:29.40 | sss | carols: so, if org choose 2 students, will they be paying travel expenses or it depends on org |
| 21:29.54 | umccullough | google would reimburse the travel |
| 21:29.56 | carols | sss: every org admin gets to choose who their delegates are. |
| 21:29.57 | sss | VarunAgw_: and why is that so |
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| 21:30.39 | stqism | sss: Because orgs like to give reunion slots to mentors |
| 21:30.46 | sss | carols: I got it, I'm asking about travel expanses which google is not provinding us, will org be providing |
| 21:31.08 | carols | sss: if you want to know if an org is doing something the people to ask are at the org.. |
| 21:31.19 | gevaerts | sss: guess who can answer questions about what orgs will do? :) |
| 21:31.23 | sss | stqism: ohh, so these 2 slots includes students as well as mentors |
| 21:31.40 | solistice | I think sss wants to know if google pays for the 2 delegates of every org |
| 21:31.54 | carols | solistice: yes, indeed, as per every document and our website :-) |
| 21:32.05 | solistice | ;) |
| 21:32.51 | sss | but the more money is at flight thing |
| 21:33.09 | sss | which is not been payed, but its oke |
| 21:33.32 | stqism | sss: Just because an org might have a little left over after flights doesn't mean they can use it for another ticket |
| 21:33.37 | stqism | If I'm getting that right |
| 21:33.44 | meflin | you are right |
| 21:34.03 | stqism | meflin: I know what I say is right, I don't know if I got his question right. |
| 21:34.21 | VarunAgw | Read https://sites.google.com/site/gsocmentorsummitstudentreunion/ All your answers are here |
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| 21:38.43 | diadara | how much is it going to cost staying at the hotel, a rough estimate anyone ? |
| 21:38.59 | carols | diadara: that’s answered in the FAqs on the site |
| 21:39.36 | carols | diadara: under |
| 21:39.42 | carols | “hotel" |
| 21:40.15 | s1991 | Hello, I want know is there any org that can provide me certificate on working on any project other than gsoc one. |
| 21:40.40 | carols | s1991: if this isn’t related to gsoc this isn’t the right channel to ask in |
| 21:40.50 | VarunAgw | s1991, Ask each one individually? |
| 21:41.23 | s1991 | carols: because many mentors happen to stay at #gsoc, that's why I'm asking |
| 21:41.43 | carols | s1991: i understand, but it’s not related to this channel’s topic |
| 21:41.49 | stqism | s1991: No sane mentor is going to give you credit for something you didn't do, and what carols said |
| 21:42.14 | VarunAgw | I think he want some unofficial gsoc |
| 21:42.25 | carols | VarunAgw: another reason this channel isn’t the right one. |
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| 21:42.41 | s1991 | VarunAgw: ya, but not paid, I'm just looking of certi. |
| 21:42.52 | s1991 | ok |
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| 22:13.21 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
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| 22:19.22 | meflin | good timing I'm brewing tea :D |
| 22:19.43 | gevaerts | meflin: now which tea will you drink? :) |
| 22:20.05 | meflin | monks blend see captea's web sight |
| 22:20.34 | gevaerts | I mean, carols brings in tea, and you drink your own. That's not very polite! |
| 22:20.42 | carols | it’s fine with me :-) |
| 22:21.23 | meflin | gevaerts: what makes you think those are different ;) |
| 22:21.52 | gevaerts | meflin: an educated guess :) |
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