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| 05:57.04 | gsocbot | mavihs: "next" is The GSoC Community Bonding Period is now on. Students begin coding on 19 May, 2014 |
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| 07:08.28 | gsocbot | rushboy: "next" is The GSoC Community Bonding Period is now on. Students begin coding on 19 May, 2014 |
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| 07:35.20 | rushboy | Hello ;-) |
| 07:35.43 | stqism | Howdy |
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| 08:12.34 | Valodim | oh may 19th? I always had 17th in mind |
| 08:13.27 | Valodim | more days of bonding, then 8) |
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| 08:14.51 | gevaerts | Valodim: starting on a Monday probably seemed logical :) |
| 08:14.56 | Valodim | yes indeed |
| 08:15.11 | PulkoMandy | but no one will blame you if you start coding early |
| 08:17.12 | gevaerts | I will! |
| 08:17.18 | gevaerts | likes being different |
| 08:19.11 | Valodim | heh. gitstats says +10k -8k lines in 149 commits so far |
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| 08:21.00 | gevaerts | Whitespace changes? |
| 08:21.26 | asd_ | Does payment for GSoC count as a scholarship? |
| 08:23.26 | Valodim | depends on the relevant laws of your country I guess |
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| 08:25.12 | Valodim | gevaerts: nah. database layout rewrite, mostly |
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| 08:28.43 | asd_ | Do you happen to know what kind of payment is in USA? |
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| 13:52.21 | dufferzafar | !logs |
| 13:52.21 | gsocbot | dufferzafar: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 14:08.15 | ishitva | kblin: How many students have been selected from India this time ? |
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| 14:09.57 | VarunAgw | ishitva, wait for official stats on blog. kblin don't knows |
| 14:10.01 | stqism | ishitva, I highly doubt Googles open source programs office goes out and collects analytical data like that |
| 14:10.22 | ishitva | VarunAgw: Okay. |
| 14:10.45 | gevaerts | Why do you actually care though? |
| 14:10.47 | ishitva | stqism: They do calculate statistics , I guess. |
| 14:11.18 | stqism | If they do, I haven't seen them publish them ever |
| 14:11.19 | stqism | If |
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| 14:11.33 | ishitva | gevaerts: Not any special reason. Was just curious to know about it. |
| 14:12.01 | VarunAgw | ishitva, You can check this (unofficial) http://www.quora.com/How-many-students-got-selected-for-GSoC-2014-from-each-Indian-University |
| 14:12.09 | ishitva | Thanks ! |
| 14:13.05 | gevaerts | Also, why do people from India specifically care about this? I've never seen anyone *else* be so curious about this sort of thing |
| 14:13.38 | Ethylene | Indians are obssessed |
| 14:13.39 | Ethylene | LOL |
| 14:13.42 | Ethylene | Thats The Truth |
| 14:13.42 | ishitva | :D |
| 14:14.15 | VarunAgw | Others are also curious too. See mailing lists. |
| 14:14.25 | panzone | i agree with VarunAgw |
| 14:14.59 | gevaerts | Well, I haven't seen them here |
| 14:15.03 | ishitva | gevaerts: There's a lot of unity in India , so students feel happy to know how many from their own country got through , it adds to our pride :) |
| 14:15.37 | Shaan7 | ishitva: imo we have better things to be proud of |
| 14:15.42 | panzone | for example i' m curious about how many italian students was accepted for this gsoc |
| 14:15.43 | gevaerts | I've *never* seen anyone here see someone join and go "Hey, X, are you from Liechtenstein?". For India, that happens about seven times per day |
| 14:16.10 | gevaerts | It really makes you look insecure, not proud :) |
| 14:16.11 | VarunAgw | But, I agree with gevaerts. Country of fellow students should not matter |
| 14:16.37 | ishitva | gevaerts: Why insecure :P |
| 14:16.44 | VarunAgw | and they are not high as 7 times a day. |
| 14:16.49 | gevaerts | ishitva: because you constantly seek confirmation |
| 14:16.51 | panzone | VarunAgw: of course country doesn' t mean anything. |
| 14:17.10 | Shaan7 | someone should just hack a quick script for it :P |
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| 14:18.24 | ishitva | gevaerts: It isn't a wish to get confirmed , I feel. Its just a fact I would like to know about. |
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| 14:19.32 | VarunAgw | I think asking for stats is not as bad as "Hey X, Are you from Y?" |
| 14:20.27 | Ethylene | Yea |
| 14:20.39 | Ethylene | We Indians feel happy to know someone who are near us |
| 14:20.44 | Ethylene | and are like us |
| 14:20.44 | gevaerts | Asking for stats in general is reasonable I think. But what do stats for *one* country actually tell you if you don't have the full picture? |
| 14:21.06 | gevaerts | Ethylene: in that case, go outside and look around! |
| 14:21.28 | gevaerts | If you're on irc, you should be antisocial :) |
| 14:21.50 | Ethylene | Thats Somewhat true |
| 14:21.52 | Ethylene | :'( |
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| 14:22.16 | ishitva | Ethylene: You need to make bonds soon :P |
| 14:22.39 | Ethylene | Man, I am not even in GSoC |
| 14:22.41 | Ethylene | I have a Job |
| 14:22.43 | fewcha | ishitva: 291 |
| 14:22.57 | ishitva | fewcha: Thanks ! |
| 14:23.07 | fewcha | yw |
| 14:23.17 | ishitva | :) |
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| 14:28.15 | ice[9] | ishitva >=292 maybe ;) |
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| 14:44.13 | dufferzafar | gevaerts: You nailed it. |
| 14:44.46 | dufferzafar | re: It really makes you look insecure, not proud |
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| 14:45.10 | VarunAgw | I think ignoring is better option |
| 14:45.47 | dufferzafar | I don't know why do Indians give it so much importance. Quora is filled with questions like these. |
| 14:46.10 | Ethylene | Quora is filled with Indians |
| 14:46.22 | Ethylene | Thats Why Questions like that |
| 14:46.30 | dufferzafar | Ethylene: True. |
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| 14:46.37 | teepee- | dufferzafar: my guess: competition |
| 14:46.42 | dufferzafar | I'm from India, btw. |
| 14:46.50 | teepee- | students in europe do not seem to care that much |
| 14:46.58 | Ethylene | There are so many Indians |
| 14:47.03 | Ethylene | SO MANY OF THEM |
| 14:47.18 | dufferzafar | teepee: Yeah, maybe competition, we kind of make it too big a deal. |
| 14:47.25 | dufferzafar | When its clearly not. |
| 14:48.29 | teepee- | for what it's worth, I think that's the link to the last years statistics http://google-opensource.blogspot.de/2013/08/google-summer-of-code-full-of-stats.html |
| 14:48.42 | teepee- | (does show blank page in my very old browser currently) |
| 14:49.11 | ice[9] | there are a few "people" who keep scores, india is a large country => a large of those people come from India :P |
| 14:49.59 | meflin | what would be interesting is stats of student by country expressed per population |
| 14:50.05 | Ethylene | All about percentages |
| 14:50.21 | Ethylene | and Proportion |
| 14:50.27 | ice[9] | not all Indians like keeping scores or enjoy this awkward discussion.. can we just throw this stupid stats issue aside and talk something nice? |
| 14:50.42 | Ethylene | Ok What Topic ? |
| 14:50.47 | Ethylene | GTA 5 on PC ? |
| 14:50.50 | PulkoMandy | gsoc? :> |
| 14:51.03 | PulkoMandy | goes back to coding |
| 14:51.10 | ice[9] | serves coffee |
| 14:51.34 | dufferzafar | checks out GTA 5 Torrents :) |
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| 14:56.03 | VarunAgw | thanks ice[9] for cold coffee |
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| 14:56.52 | Ethylene | Ok Lets Discuss My Problem |
| 14:56.54 | ice[9] | \ME serves a welcome devil's chocolate shake :) |
| 14:57.04 | ice[9] | Ethylene .. yes.. |
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| 14:57.41 | VarunAgw | Ethylene, why gta 5 is not for pc yet? is this your problem? |
| 14:57.53 | Ethylene | I am avid user (note USER) of Open Source Softwares |
| 14:57.57 | Ethylene | Most of them include |
| 14:58.03 | Ethylene | MariaDB, PHPMyAdmin etc. |
| 14:58.31 | Ethylene | When I was browsing through the list of organization few months back, I got Overwhelemed |
| 14:58.44 | ice[9] | don't worry put in more effort and you'll have a great learning experience :) |
| 14:58.55 | ice[9] | oh wait, you're not done.. go on.. |
| 14:58.58 | ice[9] | sorry.. |
| 14:58.59 | meflin | and the list is only a small fraction of orgs that are out there |
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| 14:59.02 | Ethylene | Like How Can I help to change the very organization I am so fond of |
| 14:59.12 | Ethylene | How am I suppose to suggest anything |
| 14:59.13 | meflin | get involved with it |
| 14:59.18 | Ethylene | That was my prblem |
| 14:59.21 | Ethylene | Is it normal ? |
| 14:59.26 | PulkoMandy | most projects need users too |
| 14:59.51 | meflin | dont change it so much as get involved .. be heard , and contribute |
| 14:59.51 | ice[9] | i think in OSS users are more like beta testers .. :) |
| 15:00.13 | meflin | dont underestimate the need for ppl to document things ... even bugs |
| 15:00.17 | nilspin | Ethylene, just hit them with an email saying how much you like their software, and ask them if you need help with anything/are looking for any volunteers for some work. |
| 15:00.25 | PulkoMandy | ice[9]: that shouldn't be - well, not if they don't want to |
| 15:00.32 | nilspin | chances are they probably will. |
| 15:00.53 | PulkoMandy | taking the time to report bugs when you find some is a good start |
| 15:01.10 | Ethylene | I am just an end user |
| 15:01.14 | Ethylene | Does that help ? |
| 15:01.17 | meflin | Ethylene: so? |
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| 15:01.45 | meflin | I am a core developer on a project that I've never submitted 1 line of code 2 |
| 15:01.46 | ice[9] | PulkoMandy.. true.. the ones who don't want to are not very good beta testers :P |
| 15:02.24 | Ethylene | I am good at finding vulnerabilities. Some of my work falls in those Gray Areas |
| 15:02.43 | Ethylene | Never Gathered Courage to report anything |
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| 15:02.58 | Ethylene | Shit, I am anti-social on the Internet as well :'( |
| 15:03.14 | meflin | there internet and OSS is full of anti-social's |
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| 15:03.22 | Ethylene | Maybe I think too much |
| 15:03.40 | meflin | you do ... think less help out more |
| 15:04.08 | ishitva | Ethylene: You are normal like any other out here :) |
| 15:04.46 | ishitva | Ethylene: Why not contribute patches to the project which you like ? |
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| 15:05.38 | ishitva | Ethylene: What I feel is that you want to contribute , but you don't know where to start . Am I right ? |
| 15:05.48 | Ethylene | Thats RIght |
| 15:06.04 | Ethylene | I am all excited about GSoC, then I get overwhelmed |
| 15:06.14 | Ethylene | Doubt Strikes |
| 15:06.23 | ishitva | So are you a student or a professional? |
| 15:06.40 | Ethylene | Student |
| 15:06.45 | Ethylene | But I have a Job as well |
| 15:06.47 | ice[9] | Ethylene chill out .. just enjoy what do, talk in the IRCs.. |
| 15:06.52 | ishitva | The ntry for GSoC the next year ! |
| 15:06.58 | Ethylene | Thats waht I do all day :) |
| 15:07.10 | VarunAgw | Goto bug tracker of any project you are interested in. Pick a bug. Fix it. Submit the patch. Easy? |
| 15:07.18 | ice[9] | but you can contribute anytime you want :) |
| 15:07.28 | meflin | Ethylene: your over thinking .. when you find something wrong try and help and fix it |
| 15:07.52 | Ethylene | Well, I guess I have to think appropriately |
| 15:07.54 | Ethylene | Not Over |
| 15:07.55 | ice[9] | or if you don't really write code, go to IRCs, they will be happy to have you helping :) |
| 15:07.55 | ishitva | Believe me I had no clue about what to do when I started 2 months back , but the mentors helped me understand the basics and I got selected :) |
| 15:07.56 | meflin | that can be as small as a typo in the doc's |
| 15:08.47 | meflin | I spent years doing what you doing |
| 15:08.58 | Ethylene | Like Me ? |
| 15:09.12 | meflin | well except I old yea :D |
| 15:09.24 | ishitva | Ethylene: No one will ever stop you from contributing. So pick up the beginners bugs at your favourite org and take the first step ! |
| 15:09.37 | meflin | one day a bug pissed me off so much I fixed it :D |
| 15:09.57 | ishitva | Ethylene: If you won't do it , it won't get done . |
| 15:10.02 | nilspin | Ethylene, you can tell them "Hey, thisfeature sounds interesting." then tell them "Oh,my! I can implement it as well!, can I have write access you your repository?Pleasepleaseplease?" *Puppy dog eyes* |
| 15:10.15 | nilspin | thats essentially how I got selected. |
| 15:10.50 | Ethylene | So you guys are saying that getting Overwhelmed is normal, but it should be controlled. |
| 15:10.53 | Ethylene | Right ^^ ? |
| 15:10.58 | meflin | yea |
| 15:11.08 | VarunAgw | can I have write access you your repository? lol |
| 15:11.25 | meflin | your also making some assumptions |
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| 15:11.32 | meflin | mostly that you are not good enough |
| 15:11.43 | Ethylene | Yes Maybe that Performance Anxiety |
| 15:11.54 | Ethylene | OverThinking ^^ |
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| 15:12.14 | meflin | I tryed to recruit one of my non gsoc orgs programmers as a mentor this year |
| 15:12.25 | meflin | couldn't do it ... he is only 17 |
| 15:12.39 | Ethylene | One Major factor of getting Overwhelmed is that these are Big Organization, Billions of Users. What am I gonna do |
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| 15:13.11 | ishitva | Ethylene: If I go into philosophy , then in Gita it is written that , You have the right to perform your duties but not the right to enjoy the fruit produced thereof. Thinking this will reduce your attachement to your goals and you will not feel anxious . |
| 15:13.34 | meflin | what you are going to do .. is look what needs to be fixed ... and get the job done |
| 15:14.05 | Ethylene | I have never actually looked past the BIG Organization Screen |
| 15:14.13 | meflin | there might be billions of users but almost no one steps up to the plate and does the work |
| 15:14.38 | meflin | and that remains true no mater how large or small the org is |
| 15:15.51 | Ethylene | All along, I fixed problems that concerned me or my clients,. I have never actually thought about suggesting that to the Organization responsible for that software. |
| 15:16.20 | meflin | Yoda Voice : and that is why you fail ;) |
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| 15:17.12 | ishitva | goes back to work , wishing Ethylene luck :) |
| 15:17.28 | Ethylene | Yes, Maybe I should stop overthinking and actually do something |
| 15:17.31 | Ethylene | Thanks People |
| 15:17.35 | Ethylene | You are great |
| 15:17.35 | meflin | if your fixing problems your org needs you |
| 15:18.17 | Ethylene | But thats the thing |
| 15:18.22 | Ethylene | Mokst clients are end users |
| 15:18.32 | Ethylene | They don't care about how the thing is actually done |
| 15:18.41 | meflin | almost all orgs need that more then anything else |
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| 15:19.58 | PulkoMandy | the clients don't care, that's why it's up to you to get things working |
| 15:20.10 | Ethylene | Yes |
| 15:20.24 | PulkoMandy | and if that involves modifying the code of one or another open source project, just think of sending the changes to that project |
| 15:20.31 | PulkoMandy | that's all you need to do |
| 15:20.51 | Ethylene | Some problems are so frequesnt. (Not Problems actually, just feature implementations) |
| 15:22.36 | meflin | $Ethylene halt ; just do it |
| 15:22.46 | Ethylene | Yes |
| 15:22.55 | Ethylene | Thats the Spirit I have to gain |
| 15:23.21 | meflin | I only see one thing you lack |
| 15:23.30 | Ethylene | And that is ? |
| 15:23.37 | meflin | the hardest skill to learn |
| 15:23.43 | meflin | confidence |
| 15:23.59 | Ethylene | Yea, I like to live behind the scene |
| 15:24.06 | Ethylene | I have never opened up |
| 15:24.09 | Ethylene | I overthink etc. |
| 15:24.29 | meflin | there is only one way I know to learn that one |
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| 15:24.47 | meflin | go forth and do .. and battle and sometimes loose |
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| 15:25.17 | Ethylene | All right |
| 15:25.27 | Ethylene | Trying is important I guess |
| 15:25.38 | meflin | it is |
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| 17:16.29 | mavihs | serves some coffee |
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| 17:23.20 | tian2992 | How do I submit my tax form for a non-US student |
| 17:24.50 | mavihs | tian2992: I think the deadline was 15th may. |
| 17:25.41 | mavihs | tian2992: oh, it's still there. Goto 'My Profile' at the bottom you will find 'Tax Form'. |
| 17:26.13 | tian2992 | yep, I saw it was for 16th of May |
| 17:26.15 | tian2992 | thanks |
| 17:31.06 | tachyons | mavihs, tian2992 you can still submit , but you may not get payment on time |
| 17:32.34 | tian2992 | tachyons, http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/studentinfo#howto says may 16th |
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| 17:34.13 | tachyons | tian2992, I think that is the last date for getting payment on time . otherwise meelange bug |
| 17:34.53 | VarunAgw | it is \not melange bug |
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| 22:09.39 | atsui | hi, i think a package didn't make it to my apartment in davis (missing apt. no.) and was returned to google. is it still possible to get it at some point? |
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