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03:42.10 | `mike` | hey GSoC'ers |
03:42.46 | stqism | Hello |
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03:44.17 | `mike` | 2010 alum here, just dropping in to see what 2014's GSoC'ers are excited about |
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04:07.24 | dhanush | hello |
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04:20.26 | `mike` | hi dhanush |
04:21.00 | dhanush | `mike`: hello mike. what was your project in 2010? |
04:21.28 | `mike` | i worked briefly for WordPress during GSoC, i developed an interactive tutorial system similar to what they have in place today |
04:22.08 | dhanush | `mike`: how did the mid term evaluation go? I mean what was it like |
04:22.09 | dhanush | ? |
04:23.03 | `mike` | it depends on your mentor |
04:23.23 | `mike` | tell me what you're up to |
04:24.00 | dhanush | `mike`: Im writing a sync transport using ZeroMQ in Python for the U1DB sync protocol. I'm working with LEAP. |
04:24.26 | dhanush | `mike`: http://bit.ly/gsoc_14 |
04:25.43 | `mike` | ok, so zeromq allows a person to program in any language and link programs together across computers as well? |
04:25.59 | dhanush | `mike`: you might want to read this post I wrote about the project -> http://indradhanush.github.io/2014/05/21/gsoc-project-preview/ |
04:26.33 | dhanush | `mike`: zeromq is written in c. and other language bindings exist. Python's is one of the best afaik. |
04:26.48 | `mike` | did i get the concept down correctly? |
04:28.16 | dhanush | `mike`: umm. I'm not sure you got that right. we could write only in a language if zeromq bindings for that lang exist. |
04:28.19 | dhanush | not any language. |
04:28.31 | `mike` | ok but there are a lot of bindings it looks like |
04:28.47 | dhanush | `mike`: yeah. there are. true. |
04:29.03 | `mike` | ok, software is always one step at a time.. |
04:29.15 | `mike` | so what they're currently get is TCP based transfers and that is sluggish |
04:29.25 | `mike` | they need to simulate speeds closer to what a single CPU can produce |
04:29.34 | `mike` | so you're exploring that for them |
04:30.00 | `mike` | that's what i've got so far from reading what you have |
04:30.13 | dhanush | `mike`: not really. U1DB uses HTTP for sync. Which isnt the best always. So I'm replacing it with a protocol based on ZMQ. |
04:30.30 | `mike` | is the goal speed? |
04:30.54 | dhanush | `mike`: yeah. speed. efficiency. and scaling in the long term. |
04:31.02 | `mike` | cool |
04:31.33 | dhanush | `mike`: also U1DB does one huge POST request for all the sync. Even if the documents are 1GB or more. So splitting them up into multipart messages is also the idea here. |
04:32.00 | `mike` | so back to your initial interest, your mentor most likely knows you're somewhere in the middle of your project, so there's not a huge expectation for product |
04:32.28 | `mike` | he'll/she'll want to know if you have discovered any major icebergs |
04:32.32 | dhanush | `mike`: what about progress wrt the timeline? |
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04:33.12 | `mike` | for instance with what you just described, should there be a scheduling/prioritization schema for multipart messages? do you pass an authorization message with each part or do you do it once initially |
04:35.04 | dhanush | `mike`: okay. first half of my summer focusses on writing the http modules of u1db in a zmq fashion. Not focussing much on auth yet. Thats second half. |
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04:35.51 | olly | dhanush: you'd probably do better to ask your mentor what expectations they have for you for the midterm |
04:36.01 | `mike` | it sounds like you'll do fine. |
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04:36.21 | dhanush | olly, `mike` : thanks. :) |
04:36.25 | `mike` | people were asking similar questions around midterm when i did GSoC |
04:36.54 | dhanush | `mike`: it makes us first time gsocers pretty nervous. :P |
04:37.14 | `mike` | remember, your mentor and your organization want you to succeed |
04:37.32 | `mike` | you were vetted against a lot of other applicants, so chances are educated that you'll do fine |
04:37.41 | dhanush | `mike`: now that's pretty assuring. :) honestly. :) |
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04:38.59 | dhanush | `mike`: I was the only one who applied for this project. |
04:39.00 | `mike` | where do you attend uni dhanush ? |
04:39.22 | dhanush | `mike`: India. :) I was in final year. Passed out last week. :P |
04:39.37 | `mike` | it sounds frankly esoteric and very low-level, so often times with that sort of work it's imagineable. |
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04:40.14 | `mike` | i got my degree without ever taking a networking course either so, .. |
04:40.38 | dhanush | `mike`: I am genuinely loving this project. It spawned out of discussion at the irc channel. And I grabbed on it. :P |
04:40.50 | `mike` | cool |
04:40.53 | dhanush | `mike`: what about you? You are working now perhaps? |
04:42.37 | `mike` | just recently wrapped up w/ Cisco |
04:43.32 | dhanush | `mike`: ah. how was work there? Mostly harware and low level stuff? |
04:44.13 | `mike` | i worked on dashboarding and analytics infrastructure for them |
04:44.36 | `mike` | so when devices output codes, stakeholders can ascertain stuff better :) |
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04:45.16 | dhanush | `mike`: ah. :) |
04:45.41 | dhanush | `mike`: whats your take on the news that internet speed is going to be controlled very soon? worrying isnt it? |
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04:46.50 | dhanush | thinks he is diverting from the channel topic. :( |
04:47.11 | `mike` | i'm not worried. you have to figure smart people will build a bridge over it, hypothetically. |
04:48.05 | dhanush | `mike`: I'm blank on that. How would that help? |
04:48.31 | `mike` | not a networking bridge. it was a metaphor. |
04:48.45 | dhanush | `mike`: ha ha! :P |
04:50.54 | `mike` | how would you go about it? |
04:52.06 | dhanush | `mike`: I'm not very sure. But if this happens, we might see some interesting hacks on getting speed out of these regulators hands. Dunno if it will do wonders or not. |
04:52.37 | `mike` | are you familiar with local mesh networks? |
04:53.01 | dhanush | `mike`: not much. briefly familiar. why? |
04:53.16 | dhanush | `mike`: you meant p2p networks right? |
04:53.41 | `mike` | well if users A-G are throttled and they all live within 1 city block, what are some approaches for overcoming speed caps? |
04:54.41 | dhanush | `mike`: oh. I dont have an answer to that. |
04:54.48 | `mike` | think on it |
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04:55.44 | dhanush | `mike`: umm, local peering? |
04:55.56 | `mike` | sounds about right |
04:56.19 | dhanush | `mike`: yeah! :P any thing else that might come to mind? |
04:56.53 | `mike` | i've read about a technology that automates the bandwidth sharing for 3G devices |
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04:58.27 | `mike` | i think the devices connect via bluetooth to create automated ad hoc networks -- something tells me it operates at a lower level of the stack or interacts with the towers somehow, i'm not sure |
04:59.27 | dhanush | `mike`: must be bluetooth. or a shared wi-fi. |
05:01.00 | dhanush | `mike`: do you have a pointer to the article or something? |
05:01.27 | `mike` | i just looked, i couldn't find it |
05:01.30 | `mike` | they were acquired |
05:01.41 | `mike` | by some telecom company i don't remember either |
05:02.04 | dhanush | `mike`: arista networks? |
05:02.24 | `mike` | qualcomm i think |
05:02.51 | dhanush | `mike`: ah! nice! |
05:03.25 | mavihs | hey people what's up ? |
05:05.17 | `mike` | ok, it was nice chatting |
05:05.24 | `mike` | bye |
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11:31.26 | gsocbot | rushboy: "next" is Students begin coding on 19 May, 2014 |
11:31.31 | rushboy | !timeline |
11:31.31 | gsocbot | rushboy: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
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12:20.00 | bePolite | where are my guys with an IQ of 200? |
12:20.04 | bePolite | This puzzle has caused a lot of serious arguements. |
12:20.04 | bePolite | The teacher said: |
12:20.04 | bePolite | "I wish yesterday was tomorrow, today would have been friday". |
12:20.04 | bePolite | Quiz: |
12:20.04 | bePolite | On which day of the week did the teacher say ha? |
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12:23.00 | PulkoMandy | wednesday? also you should move this to #gsoc-offtopic or somewhere else |
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21:35.31 | t4nk408 | i wanna participate in gsoc 2014....what are skills needed for this ...and how should i start preparing for it ? |
21:36.20 | t4nk408 | anybody free to help ?? |
21:37.30 | kremlin- | t4nk408: you're a little late for 2014, but it's never too early for 2015 |
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21:39.48 | npr_ | i wanna particpate in gsoc2014 ...what skills i need for this ...and how should i go for it ? |
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21:41.58 | npr_ | is anybody free to help ??? |
21:42.16 | kremlin- | npr_: (requoting) |
21:42.20 | kremlin- | t4nk408: you're a little late for 2014, but it's never too early for 2015 |
21:42.54 | npr_ | kremlin-: so what skill are needed for it ??? |
21:44.05 | kremlin- | it depends on which project you'd want to work on, but as a baseline i'd say some sort of fluency in some scripting or compiled language |
21:44.41 | perepujal | English, initiative, good communication, some knowledge on some programming language |
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21:45.33 | npr_ | kremlin : i can work with c++ and python ...is good level of proficicency neede ?? |
21:46.29 | gevaerts | English is negotiable. You need to be able to communicate with your organisation. If you have a common language with them, the only English you need is really for the paperwork |
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21:47.39 | kremlin- | npr_: python and C++ are probably some of the best ones to know, you should have a firm grasp |
21:48.13 | npr_ | kremlin : what should i do for firm grasp .... |
21:48.27 | npr_ | kremlin : is competitive coding any good ??/ |
21:49.03 | kremlin- | i'm not sure what competetive coding is, but take a shot at writing your own IRC client or something along those lines, whatever interests you |
21:49.14 | kremlin- | the only way to get better is to sit down and /do/ something :) |
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21:50.17 | npr_ | kremlin : can you suggets some open source projects to contribute ? |
21:51.53 | kremlin- | yeah, chromium |
21:52.16 | kremlin- | there's a list of easy first-timer bugs, you could take a stab at fixing one or two |
21:52.22 | kremlin- | they're real friendly and open to newcomers |
21:54.24 | npr_ | kremlin : exactly how to get started with them ?? |
21:54.40 | kremlin- | i dunno man, google it |
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