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| 01:42.18 | aestintin | hello |
| 01:42.25 | aestintin | how to reach google staff |
| 01:43.47 | aestintin | anyone interning with google here? |
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| 01:45.42 | olly | aestintin: what's your question? people here may be able to answer it |
| 01:46.21 | aestintin | 2 questions: 1. why does google cache sites like facesandnames.net? |
| 01:46.27 | aestintin | it serves no purpose |
| 01:46.45 | aestintin | 2. there are some bugs with google url removal tool |
| 01:46.47 | olly | aestintin: that's nothing to do with gsoc |
| 01:46.55 | olly | this isn't a general google help channel |
| 01:47.04 | aestintin | oh sorry |
| 01:47.09 | aestintin | can u please guide me |
| 01:47.12 | aestintin | to contact them |
| 01:47.30 | olly | i'd look on their website for a contact or feedback link |
| 01:47.40 | aestintin | no mail is listed on web |
| 01:47.59 | aestintin | that's why i was asking for someone who works there or interning there |
| 01:49.06 | olly | well, this isn't an appropriate place to look |
| 01:49.37 | olly | and don't pm me the same questions |
| 01:49.43 | aestintin | ok |
| 01:49.55 | aestintin | thanks then |
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| 15:54.15 | Slurpee | Have any orgs tried peer review between students and gsoc projects? |
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| 15:57.08 | Slurpee | Example, for midterm evaluation, requiring each gsoc project be reviewed by at least one other gsoc student? |
| 15:57.15 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 15:57.34 | downey | Thanks, carols! |
| 15:57.40 | carols | downey: yw :-) |
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| 15:58.46 | mavihs | carols: it's too hot here! How about soft drink ? |
| 15:58.53 | carols | mavihs: did you bring some? |
| 15:59.14 | mavihs | carols: Yeah. Diet coke ! |
| 15:59.18 | mavihs | serves diet coke |
| 15:59.21 | carols | mavihs: great, then have at it :-) |
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| 16:04.00 | Slurpee | carols, any rules against students reviewing each another's projects for peer review? |
| 16:04.09 | carols | Slurpee: that’s up to the mentors |
| 16:05.05 | Slurpee | carols, because mentor wants to provide student as much time as possible to complete their own project? |
| 16:05.18 | carols | Slurpee: is that a question? |
| 16:05.21 | carols | i don’t think i understand |
| 16:06.00 | Slurpee | carols, question - I'm curious why the decision about student peer review is up to the mentor? |
| 16:06.19 | carols | Slurpee: because the mentors are in charge of the students... |
| 16:06.32 | carols | who *would* it be up to if not the mentor? |
| 16:06.52 | PulkoMandy | distracting the students from their own projects to do peer review may not be a good idea |
| 16:06.53 | PulkoMandy | unless you warned them beforehand so they could plan their timelines for it |
| 16:06.58 | downey | prefers that un-branded soda in Charlie's Cafe :-) |
| 16:07.13 | carols | downey: you do? i heard so many of the mentors complain about it :-) |
| 16:07.35 | downey | carols: I'm OK with the fact that I'm normally an outlier :) |
| 16:07.43 | carols | downey: yeah, me too :-) |
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| 16:09.09 | Slurpee | carols, downey - how about changing it a bit...student's don't rely on peer review from other gsoc students.Rather each gsoc project is required to find a community member to review their project? |
| 16:09.34 | carols | Slurpee: why isn’t their mentor review their project like he/she is supposed to? |
| 16:09.42 | carols | i don’t think i understand the problem statement, maybe. |
| 16:09.57 | Slurpee | carols, mentors are review, but my goal is further review. |
| 16:10.13 | downey | doesn't make the rules but it seems like mentors are probably the 2nd most familiar with the project, after the student. Asking others to learn about it enough to evaluate a student's work is probably unrealistic. |
| 16:10.15 | carols | Slurpee: if the student just wants more review…what’s stopping him/her from just talking to other people? |
| 16:10.15 | Slurpee | "a fresh perspective" if you will. |
| 16:10.29 | carols | i guess i really don’t understand. |
| 16:10.48 | downey | Slurpee: We have our students make "presentations" (demos) of their projects at midterm and the end of the summer, and get feedback, questions, ideas from others in our project community. |
| 16:11.09 | carols | this is open source…you can talk to anyone and collaborate with anyone you want |
| 16:11.19 | Slurpee | carols, I guess the specific issue in Drupal is that Drupal 8 changed a lot. I was hoping to have everyone's project reviewed a bit by others to verify everyone is on the same page. |
| 16:11.43 | carols | Slurpee: okay, so that’s up to the mentors and the org admins to make sure the students are on track and in line with each other. |
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| 16:11.52 | carols | are you saying they’re not doing that? |
| 16:11.59 | carols | because if they’re not i’ll have a strong word with them |
| 16:12.38 | Slurpee | carols, we are, but our org admin group has been discussing ways for students to reach out for additional review. Maybe make it a requirement for midterm eval. |
| 16:12.44 | Slurpee | If anything, we're doing too much review. |
| 16:12.49 | carols | Slurpee: cool, then go for it.. |
| 16:12.54 | carols | no need to ask for permission |
| 16:13.37 | Slurpee | Got it. Thanks for feedback carols and downey |
| 16:13.41 | carols | cheers |
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| 16:15.00 | downey | Slurpee: There's always room for more feedback in free & open source software projects :) |
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| 16:15.37 | PulkoMandy | Slurpee: for the record, here at Haiku we try to make students work like any other community members, and use our regular communication channels (mailing lists, IRC) and avoid private communication with the mentors for technical discussions |
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| 16:15.51 | PulkoMandy | this let everyone have a look at the code and provide valuable input |
| 16:18.39 | Slurpee | PulkoMandy, our idea was a bit more of..."Student X exchanges code with Student Y. Then students try to build each another's project" |
| 16:20.34 | PulkoMandy | well, it depends how much work this is, you don't want one student spending 2 weeks fixing another's project - but I don't know what your buildsystem and projects are like |
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| 16:22.08 | Slurpee | Drupal is fairly easy...install a fresh copy of Drupal, download the code, load module/code/whatever, and test functionality. It's either going to work or it's not. Plus this ensure documentation/README is written properly. |
| 16:22.43 | Slurpee | IF another student can actually get it to work...this is a very good sign :) |
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| 16:36.59 | ishitva | !next |
| 16:37.00 | gsocbot | ishitva: "next" is Midterm evaluations for GSoC 2014 begin 23 June at 19:00 UTC |
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| 16:46.04 | Andre_H | melange is down for me... anyone else here? |
| 16:46.25 | carols | Andre_H: not for me. |
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| 16:48.43 | Andre_H | strange |
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| 16:49.24 | Andre_H | being paranoid i even tried a different browser, i can ping google-melange.com, but cannot browse it... |
| 16:49.49 | carols | Andre_H: something to discuss in #melange or on their mailing list |
| 16:51.11 | Andre_H | k, just as a proof: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://www.google-melange.com/ |
| 16:51.19 | carols | it’s not that i don’t believe you. |
| 16:51.29 | carols | it’s that no one in this channel can fix it for you. |
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| 16:53.25 | Andre_H | i know :) thx for pointing on #melange, i keep forgetting about that channel |
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| 17:31.50 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
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| 17:32.38 | downey | carols: did students also get a notification email from you about midterms? |
| 17:32.44 | carols | downey: indeed they did. |
| 17:32.54 | carols | as they do every year. |
| 17:33.02 | downey | carols: OK thanks just wanted to confirm |
| 17:33.07 | carols | sure |
| 17:35.17 | carols | downey: how long before we get a mentor asking the mentors list if he/she should fail a student? |
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| 17:36.23 | downey | carols: my money is on sunday |
| 17:36.28 | carols | downey: yeah. |
| 17:36.30 | carols | agreed. |
| 17:38.24 | downey | Seems like the mentor in that situation as always waiting until the last minute to see if some type of miracle can happen |
| 17:38.30 | carols | yep. |
| 17:38.34 | carols | and the miracle never happens. |
| 17:38.36 | downey | And it almost never does |
| 17:38.36 | MatthewWilkes | And they usually do |
| 17:38.40 | MatthewWilkes | It's just the miracle doesn't last long ;) |
| 17:38.43 | downey | Lol |
| 17:38.48 | MatthewWilkes | It goes away a few days after the midterm |
| 17:39.02 | carols | well, coming back online for $2250 is good motivation |
| 17:41.21 | MatthewWilkes | and who doesn't want to believe that everything will be okay in future? |
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| 17:44.35 | downey | the time for optimism was a couple weeks ago. :) |
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| 17:55.33 | MatthewWilkes | downey: There's always time for optimism |
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| 18:11.39 | gsocbot | amoghbl1: "next" is Midterm evaluations for GSoC 2014 begin 23 June at 19:00 UTC |
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| 19:22.47 | carols | serves some more coffee and tea |
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| 19:28.51 | ries | thanks carols |
| 19:28.56 | carols | yw ries |
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| 19:48.41 | pcoutin | hello... I can't look at my proposal, it says 'Error retrieving data: please refresh the list or the whole page to try again' since yesterday. |
| 19:48.49 | pcoutin | on google-melange |
| 19:48.57 | carols | pcoutin: you’ll probably want to speak to the melange developers |
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| 19:50.26 | pcoutin | ok thanks |
| 19:52.38 | dhanush | pcoutin: if its urgent, you might try archive.org; |
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| 22:16.30 | MatthewWilkes | Hm, I hope we have a trolling session at the summit this year. I'm out of practice. |
| 22:17.10 | carols | MatthewWilkes: that would be entirely up to you to put on the moderator page... |
| 22:17.50 | MatthewWilkes | It would be wrong to sign someone else up to give a talk. I only feel I can propose ones I could reasonably contribute to |
| 22:17.50 | meflin | I would +1 a trolling session :D |
| 22:18.06 | carols | MatthewWilkes: well why not do the session yourself :-) |
| 22:18.29 | NikolaiToryzin | meflin, Take it to Google plus ;) |
| 22:18.41 | MatthewWilkes | carols: For the same reason I don't do the welcome session – I'm not qualified! |
| 22:18.50 | carols | MatthewWilkes: i see :-) |
| 22:19.39 | meflin | technically should the votes for a trolling session be -1's? |
| 22:19.44 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: while I agree in general, signing someone else up for a *trolling* session should be fine |
| 22:20.13 | MatthewWilkes | gevaerts: Noted. How do you spell your last name? |
| 22:20.25 | carols | MatthewWilkes: well played. |
| 22:20.40 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: double-you, eye, ell, kay, eee, ess |
| 22:22.09 | MatthewWilkes | hmmmm. |
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