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| 19:32.05 | meflin | well I've been concerned about how silent its been with both my admins being eaten by the Grue |
| 19:32.13 | meflin | and yep there it is |
| 19:32.42 | downey | carols: is what bradley said true? |
| 19:33.22 | carols | downey: what specifically are you talking about? |
| 19:33.24 | meflin | I see no basis for that ... interpretation |
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| 19:33.46 | meflin | I think "share un-used travel funding" |
| 19:33.47 | downey | carols: mentors list message 15 min ago |
| 19:33.54 | downey | what meflin said |
| 19:34.09 | meflin | I spy no indication that I can throw G-$'s at legacys or other orgs |
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| 19:34.27 | carols | downey: yes. orgs can send anyone as their delegate. so if apache wants to give their travel funding to a student from gnome, they can do that. |
| 19:34.28 | downey | that'd be surprising to me. |
| 19:34.30 | carols | is that what you mean? |
| 19:34.39 | downey | carols: that is what i was asking, yes ;) |
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| 19:34.41 | carols | yes |
| 19:34.47 | carols | thatâs been true the whole time. |
| 19:34.53 | meflin | that emil IMO implys more |
| 19:35.14 | meflin | like you can throw G-$'s at a 3rd or hand that other org your leftover $'s |
| 19:35.25 | carols | no. not a third. |
| 19:35.29 | carols | there are no third delegates. |
| 19:35.40 | carols | but weâre talking about orgs that areât even choosing to send a second or a first |
| 19:35.53 | carols | theyâre sending no one |
| 19:35.55 | downey | right |
| 19:35.59 | carols | when they could be sending anyone |
| 19:36.04 | meflin | ah well what I am saying is that email is ... lets say less then clear on that issue ;) |
| 19:36.09 | bkuhn | carols: I think what meflin means is that some orgs can get a third by using another org's unused first and second. |
| 19:36.17 | downey | hi bkuhn :) |
| 19:36.20 | meflin | actualy no |
| 19:36.21 | bkuhn | Which I think is correct. |
| 19:36.34 | meflin | I'm saying the email makes it seem like you can just pool $'s and such |
| 19:36.49 | bkuhn | meflin: was something in my email unclear? |
| 19:36.52 | bkuhn | I called them "slots" |
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| 19:36.59 | bkuhn | to mean, the $1.1k slot of travel funding. |
| 19:37.05 | bkuhn | Maybe I used the wrong terminology? |
| 19:37.16 | bkuhn | I apologize if I caused more confusion. :( |
| 19:37.17 | meflin | the email I'm reading doesn't say slots .... |
| 19:37.30 | meflin | oh wait |
| 19:37.32 | meflin | it does |
| 19:37.40 | bkuhn | I wrote: "Specifically, I didn't realize that orgs could use unused travel funding to "share" with other orgs who might have allocated both their travel funding slots already, but still have a (current or former) student, former mentor, or former org-admin who would also like to go the Reunion." |
| 19:37.54 | meflin | I didn't read it closly enough |
| 19:38.01 | bkuhn | Which I think is just another way of saying what carols already said: " a GSoC 2014 organization can send ANYONE who has ever participated in GSoC as a student, mentor, or org admin as their delegate(s)." |
| 19:38.01 | bkuhn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.26 | meflin | sorry :) |
| 19:38.36 | bkuhn | No problem, I was worried I said something wrong. I've done it before, that's for sure. ;) |
| 19:39.23 | meflin | if your brain skips over the slots it reads all wonkey ;) |
| 19:40.02 | bkuhn | meflin: I do try to chose my words carefully; if you skip some, I'm sure what I said makes no sense at all. :) |
| 19:41.42 | meflin | well if this is my worst stuff up of the day I'll be in good shape ;) |
| 19:42.06 | bkuhn | Same here. :) |
| 19:44.57 | tachyons | !timeline |
| 19:44.57 | gsocbot | tachyons: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
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| 20:00.22 | downey | carols: is there any indication if there will be another lottery drawing? |
| 20:00.37 | carols | downey: no, not yet. |
| 20:00.48 | carols | the last winners still have like a week to register |
| 20:00.49 | downey | carols: ok :) |
| 20:01.08 | bkuhn | I might be missing something, but I don't think the invoicing deadline is on http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page or on the calendar on http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 I was looking for it to put it in my personal calendar to make sure all Conservancy invoicing is done by that date. |
| 20:01.24 | carols | bkuhn: invoice deadline is december 31 |
| 20:01.32 | carols | PO deadline is in november |
| 20:01.35 | carols | is that the confusion? |
| 20:01.42 | bkuhn | Right, the PO deadline is on caeldnar |
| 20:01.53 | bkuhn | Er, rather PO deadline is on the FAQ. |
| 20:02.01 | bkuhn | but not the calendar, I don't think. |
| 20:02.02 | NikolaiToryzin | carols, NET 30 is the weirdest thing |
| 20:02.04 | bkuhn | invoicing deadline is on neither. |
| 20:02.10 | carols | please state your question in the form of a question. |
| 20:02.52 | bkuhn | carols: I don't have a question, I'm (possibly) making a suggestion, but I will state the potential suggestion in the form of two questions: |
| 20:02.59 | meflin | net-30 and even net-90 is totaly common in accounting |
| 20:03.16 | bkuhn | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.34 | bkuhn | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.49 | umccullough | 0-based question indexes...how geeky |
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| 20:04.36 | carols | bkuhn: i think itâs confusing to the community since such a large portion of them have nothing to do with money. but if you answer your own question âyesâ then Iâm happy to see the situation differently and put them on there. |
| 20:04.39 | bkuhn | meflin, NikolaiToryzin : If you think NET-30 or NET-60 is bad: IBM pays invoice on NET-120. |
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| 20:05.38 | bkuhn | carols: I'm not sure what the right answer is. I tend to go to the calendar to check if my personal calendar matches... but I'm a special case b/c I'm an meta-org-admin, org-admin, and mentor all in one so I need to know every deadline (i.e., my use case is probably quite unique ;) |
| 20:06.06 | bkuhn | carols: I see your point that too many things on the calendar are confusing the community. |
| 20:06.22 | carols | right, and i think people are already confused by all the things i have out there. and iâd estimate that only 10-20% of our entire community ever thinks about the mentor stipends in any way |
| 20:06.28 | carols | everything is confusing |
| 20:06.33 | carols | iâm trying not to add confusion |
| 20:06.33 | meflin | I think more faq then calander |
| 20:06.52 | bkuhn | carols: How about yes to (1) and maybe add an item under "Payments, Forms and Other Administrivia 1. How do payments work?" that says "Once payments are requested, all invoicing must be completed by 31 December 2014" on http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page |
| 20:07.08 | carols | sure. |
| 20:07.50 | bkuhn | carols: And I agree about trying to avoid more confusion. Since that section of the FAQ is about payments, I don't think it adds to confusion, since only people with dealing with payment will read it. |
| 20:07.56 | carols | sure |
| 20:09.06 | meflin | I think you might be over-estimating the mentor stipend part ;) |
| 20:09.26 | carols | maybe so. |
| 20:09.27 | carols | weâll live. |
| 20:09.53 | bkuhn | meflin: you mean, 10-20% is actually 1-2%? |
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| 20:10.04 | meflin | probably yea |
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| 20:10.52 | bkuhn | encodes GSoC deadlines into org-mode. |
| 20:10.54 | meflin | I have not seen a single question about it this year |
| 20:11.03 | bkuhn | meflin: Conservancy projects differ on this. |
| 20:11.23 | meflin | differ? |
| 20:11.48 | bkuhn | meflin: So, Conservancy usually has between 9-15 orgs in GSoC, since we're a "meta-org". |
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| 20:11.58 | meflin | yes I understand your role quite well :) |
| 20:12.16 | bkuhn | (np, just making sure. :) Some of our member projects prefer to keep the money in the earmarked account of the project... |
| 20:12.21 | bkuhn | ... to pay for servers, whatever... |
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| 20:12.27 | meflin | right |
| 20:12.29 | bkuhn | ... others pay it out to mentors as a stipend. |
| 20:12.44 | bkuhn | others still split it and pay half or 3/4 to the mentor, and keep the rest for other project needs. |
| 20:12.53 | meflin | huh |
| 20:12.58 | bkuhn | Some even have a multi-year fight about the question. |
| 20:13.04 | meflin | I've yet to meet a project that pays mentors ;) |
| 20:13.38 | bkuhn | meflin: I'm not a huge fan of paying mentors with the money. Historically (going back to the very beginning of GSoC) that's what it was -- Google paid it directly to the mentors in the first year (maybe two?) |
| 20:13.47 | bkuhn | ... older orgs remember this, and want it. |
| 20:13.55 | bkuhn | Newer orgs have heard about the older orgs doing that and want it. :) |
| 20:14.03 | PulkoMandy | well the money is used to pay me at Haiku - not because I'm a mentor, but because I'm also working full-time on the project |
| 20:14.24 | bkuhn | PulkoMandy: some Conservancy projects do roughly that too -- but not so direct. |
| 20:14.45 | bkuhn | $500 is a lot of money -- particularly to people who work for non-profits or universities -- so it's sometimes contentious. |
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| 20:15.16 | bkuhn | meflin: we had a situation recently where there was a mentor who was angry for *years* that he never got paid, because the project basically never made a decision to pay out to mentors, so Conservancy didn't act b/c we weren't asked to do so. |
| 20:15.21 | bkuhn | But this mentor was stewing about it for years. |
| 20:15.29 | bkuhn | it finally all came out in a big email thread, and we got it resolved. |
| 20:15.35 | bkuhn | (I wish the guy had spoke up sooner) |
| 20:16.15 | bkuhn | Money makes politics more complicated. It's the way of the world, sadly. :( |
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| 20:19.19 | umccullough | well, technically, the money may or may not be used to pay PulkoMandy - Haiku doesn't actually earmark funds ;) |
| 20:19.29 | umccullough | just money in/money out |
| 20:19.48 | umccullough | except for some bad decisions in the past where certain donations were earmarked...that always turns out poorly |
| 20:20.45 | olly | ask van gogh |
| 20:21.17 | bkuhn | olly: is that an earmark joke? |
| 20:21.25 | NikolaiToryzin | olly, Nice one |
| 20:21.37 | bkuhn | umccullough: Yeah, Conservancy projects that fund developers are roughly the same. |
| 20:21.58 | olly | bkuhn: well, I'd understand if people questioned the "joke" part... |
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| 20:22.20 | bkuhn | I use the word earmark a lot, although I've never liked it. |
| 20:22.22 | bkuhn | maybe that's why. |
| 20:22.33 | bkuhn | (b/c Conservancy has "earmarked" funds for all 30 of its member projects) |
| 20:22.41 | bkuhn | Plus some projects do sub-earmarks within that of their own choosing. |
| 20:22.55 | gevaerts | olly: well, you know how people treat jokes they don't like. In one ear, out the other :) |
| 20:23.07 | olly | gevaerts: i 'ear you |
| 20:23.50 | gevaerts | :) |
| 20:23.56 | bkuhn | gevaerts: people should really keep their ears to the ground more. |
| 20:24.01 | umccullough | always thought it would be amusing to create a "van gogh productions" LLC and distribute "No Ear" clothing |
| 20:24.29 | gevaerts | bkuhn: handy if you can do that while still standing |
| 20:25.22 | olly | more eary than handy |
| 20:29.05 | bkuhn | olly: I'm going to have to move on. This conversation is just too ear-y. |
| 20:29.30 | gevaerts | decides to have some ear lgrey |
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| 20:30.19 | bkuhn | Tea. Earl Grey. Hot. |
| 20:30.52 | meflin | having mine iced |
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| 21:54.18 | ADULF | The Foundation for the Safeguarding of America from Foreign Intrusion has obtained this dossier on the top two Tox developers, NikolaiToryzin/Stqism aka Sean Qureshi and Proplex, aka David Lohle or NemDiggers |
| 21:54.18 | ADULF | David Lohle (pictured) has made a name for himself online as an antisemite and racist, using nicknames such as "NemDiggers" and "IHateJemDews". He previously posted on 4chan, a popular internet forum often used for trading child pornography, about masturbating to amateur Japanese manga cartoons. David used to maintain a public FTP server for 4chan, presumably for distributing copyrighted content illegally. |
| 21:54.18 | ADULF | David lives in Douglaston, New York, and is the founder of ICanHost.It, an upcoming web hosting company. Name: David Lohle -- Phone: +1 (718) 734-7598 -- Location: Douglaston, Queens, New York -- Family: Elizabeth Lohle (sister) |
| 21:54.21 | ADULF | Sean Qureshi is a 19-year-old network engineer and student of Middle Eastern decent living in Fullerton, California. He is a freelance network engineer, part-time financial trader, and creator of Rising Storm Games a/k/a Broken Gear Productions. He attends Fullerton College. |
| 21:54.25 | ADULF | Name: Sean Qureshi -- Phone: +1 (714) 866-7464 -- Family: Imran Qureshi (father), Bushra Qureshi (mother) -- Address: 1207 Rosecrans Ave, Fullerton, CA 92833-1901, USA |
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| 21:55.23 | meflin | as spam goes that was fascinating |
| 21:55.54 | NikolaiToryzin | meflin, The largest issue is that it isn't even true |
| 21:56.13 | meflin | it is rare that spam is |
| 21:56.25 | NikolaiToryzin | He's this one troll who |
| 21:56.32 | NikolaiToryzin | 's super dedicated. |
| 21:56.51 | NikolaiToryzin | Kinda annoying, but we've got safeguards to automatically kick/ban in our own channels |
| 21:56.54 | meflin | ah well I've know and had a decade+ multi irc netowrk fight with one |
| 21:57.06 | NikolaiToryzin | Heh |
| 21:57.46 | meflin | that one even has its own wiki page somewhere |
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