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| 16:42.17 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 16:43.23 | downey | thanks carols :-) |
| 16:43.37 | carols | yw :-) |
| 16:43.47 | downey | bakes a cake |
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| 16:46.08 | carols | aw, thanks downey |
| 16:47.26 | downey | http://media.giphy.com/media/vfiMa4Q4c7awg/giphy.gif |
| 16:47.38 | carols | :-) |
| 16:47.50 | downey | mmm, infinite cake |
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| 17:05.01 | downey | reunion stickers have arrived :) |
| 17:07.10 | MatthewWilkes | cheers GCI |
| 17:08.29 | cdesai | :-D |
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| 17:11.09 | MatthewWilkes | ooh, and an official announcement of GSoC '15 |
| 17:11.11 | downey | GSoC 2015!!!1!one |
| 17:12.08 | meflin | ah 2015 |
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| 17:12.16 | meflin | starts writing his extension request ;) |
| 17:14.47 | *** topic/#gsoc by sttaylor -> : |
| 17:15.46 | *** topic/#gsoc by sttaylor -> GSoC 2015 and GCI 2014 are on! Check out google-melange.com for more info on both programs |
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| 17:16.32 | downey | hi sttaylor :-) |
| 17:16.48 | downey | wonders if MDO will participate in GCI |
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| 17:17.21 | sttaylor | hi downey |
| 17:17.26 | meflin | heh |
| 17:17.48 | NikolaiToryzin | It's official |
| 17:17.50 | NikolaiToryzin | 2015 |
| 17:18.08 | sttaylor | downey we would love to have you participate in GCI |
| 17:19.41 | thiago | what... 2015? |
| 17:19.57 | thiago | hasn't even had a chance to wear his 2014 t-shirt yet! |
| 17:20.28 | NikolaiToryzin | carols, Wanna review our proposal page now? |
| 17:20.37 | carols | NikolaiToryzin: sorry? |
| 17:20.51 | NikolaiToryzin | carols, Remember, proposals for GSoC? |
| 17:21.05 | carols | NikolaiToryzin: proposals for gsocâ¦you mean for 2014? |
| 17:21.12 | NikolaiToryzin | 2015 of course |
| 17:21.20 | carols | of course? |
| 17:21.22 | NikolaiToryzin | Gotta be on top of things |
| 17:21.22 | carols | i donât understand |
| 17:21.28 | carols | yeah, iâm confused, sorry |
| 17:21.34 | NikolaiToryzin | carols, That was a joke. |
| 17:21.40 | carols | okay |
| 17:22.44 | downey | sttaylor: Trying to sort out whether or not Choc-Ola be a valid contribution to the chocolate room? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choc-Ola |
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| 17:26.57 | grv007_ | hi |
| 17:27.10 | carols | hi grv007_ |
| 17:27.13 | grv007_ | i need to know how to prepare for gsoc..i am a beginner |
| 17:27.28 | carols | grv007_: the best place to start is to read the student manual |
| 17:27.30 | carols | have you done that? |
| 17:27.50 | grv007_ | yes. |
| 17:27.55 | carols | grv007_: great. |
| 17:27.59 | grv007_ | but i have some doubts |
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| 17:32.06 | *** topic/#gsoc is GSoC 2015 and GCI 2014 are on! Check out google-melange.com for more info on both programs |
| 17:32.08 | carols | grv007_: guidance would come from the org you want to volunteer for. |
| 17:32.10 | carols | have you chosen one? |
| 17:32.37 | grv007_ | nope..not yet..and i have to join the organization now? |
| 17:33.03 | carols | no, you certainly donât have to. it just gives you more experience and better chances for later one. |
| 17:33.08 | carols | *on |
| 17:33.35 | grv007_ | have u ever worked in gsoc |
| 17:33.38 | carols | no. |
| 17:33.54 | Valodim | (haha) |
| 17:33.56 | grv007_ | or have any coding experiece? |
| 17:34.06 | carols | no, i donât have any coding experience |
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| 17:34.22 | grv007_ | ok |
| 17:34.29 | grv007_ | thanks carol. |
| 17:34.33 | carols | cheers |
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| 17:42.33 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
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| 17:42.46 | mavihs | sips the coffee |
| 17:43.59 | mavihs | spreading the email (regarding gsoc 2015) to my college mailing lists. |
| 17:44.13 | carols | thanks mavihs :-) |
| 17:45.20 | mavihs | thank you and your team for organizing it once more :-) |
| 17:45.25 | NikolaiToryzin | carols, still xa |
| 17:45.30 | carols | NikolaiToryzin: xa? |
| 17:45.32 | NikolaiToryzin | Ignore that |
| 17:45.35 | carols | i donât know what that means |
| 17:45.36 | carols | okay |
| 17:45.37 | NikolaiToryzin | Autocorrect |
| 17:45.48 | NikolaiToryzin | Still can't believe you missed the joke :( |
| 17:45.52 | carols | yeah, sorry |
| 17:46.06 | gevaerts | NikolaiToryzin: you didn't tell it right |
| 17:46.20 | NikolaiToryzin | gevaerts: Potentially |
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| 17:54.11 | cdesai | sttaylor: whoops, I got too excited there |
| 17:54.49 | sttaylor | cdesai: no worries, glad you are excited about GCI 2014 |
| 17:55.59 | cdesai | Now to wait for the organisation announcement. :-) |
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| 18:08.56 | maxpayne | i need to know how to participate in gosc |
| 18:08.59 | maxpayne | *gsoc |
| 18:09.35 | maxpayne | anyone |
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| 18:10.20 | carols | maxpayne: have you read the student manual? |
| 18:10.23 | carols | thatâs a good place to start. |
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| 18:11.09 | Niharika | !manual |
| 18:11.14 | Niharika | !studentmanual |
| 18:11.25 | Niharika | Ah, I thought there was a key for it. |
| 18:11.32 | maxpayne | are you a programmer carol ? have u ever done some gsoc projects |
| 18:11.40 | carols | maxpayne: no, sorry, i haven't. |
| 18:11.50 | Niharika | maxpayne: Carol is the organizer. |
| 18:11.58 | gevaerts | !studentguide | Niharika |
| 18:11.58 | gsocbot | Niharika: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 18:12.08 | gevaerts | It does exist :) |
| 18:12.13 | Niharika | Right. Thanks, gevaerts. |
| 18:12.23 | maxpayne | ok |
| 18:12.47 | maxpayne | Niharika u too an organiser |
| 18:13.01 | Niharika | maxpayne: Nope. Ex-student. |
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| 18:13.19 | maxpayne | u might have done some projects |
| 18:13.26 | maxpayne | in gsoc |
| 18:14.31 | Niharika | maxpayne: Was that a question? |
| 18:14.41 | maxpayne | yes Niharika |
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| 18:16.27 | Niharika | maxpayne: Failed to spot the question mark. Could you be more clear? |
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| 18:16.56 | maxpayne | i was asking have you ever participated in gsoc? |
| 18:17.41 | mavihs | maxpayne: did you read the student manual? |
| 18:17.53 | maxpayne | i am reading |
| 18:18.13 | mavihs | cool. |
| 18:18.25 | mavihs | is there anything which is not clear? |
| 18:18.32 | maxpayne | mavihs:u too an organiser? |
| 18:18.35 | Niharika | maxpayne: Yes. That is what I meant by "Ex-student". |
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| 18:18.55 | mavihs | maxpayne: No. I'm also an ex-student. |
| 18:19.29 | maxpayne | ok. Nice to meet you people :-D |
| 18:19.32 | MatthewWilkes | Shame, we could have had a wonderful 'Spartacus' moment here |
| 18:20.40 | carols | MatthewWilkes: if youâre all spartacus, what does that make me? |
| 18:20.59 | gevaerts | carols: unique :) |
| 18:21.15 | carols | :-) |
| 18:21.51 | grv007_ | mavihs:i am learning c/c++. Are these skills wnough for gsoc..and thanks the manual is amazing clearing all my doubts |
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| 18:22.38 | mavihs | grv007_: It depends on the organization in which you wish to contribute. Please discuss it with your organization. |
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| 18:35.58 | somaen | Is there anything like the Summit wiki for this years reunion? |
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| 18:37.24 | sttaylor | somaen: https://sites.google.com/site/gsocmentorsummitstudentreunion/ |
| 18:37.30 | dg7 | aspirants for gsoc2015? |
| 18:37.35 | sttaylor | lots of info on there |
| 18:37.52 | dg7 | student aspirants ? |
| 18:37.55 | dg7 | anyone? |
| 18:38.18 | MatthewWilkes | dg7: Just because IRC is a real-time protocol doesn't mean you can expect an answer within 30 seconds |
| 18:38.36 | MatthewWilkes | dg7: It's unlikely there will be many just yet, the programme has only just been announced. |
| 18:38.55 | gevaerts | It also doesn't mean you should make your questions too short to understand |
| 18:39.25 | dg7 | i would rather call them precise |
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| 18:39.59 | gevaerts | Precise? Two words, a question mark, no verb? |
| 18:40.11 | Valodim | verbs overrated |
| 18:40.18 | VarunAgw | Isn't GSoC 2015 announced very earlier? |
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| 18:40.24 | dg7 | haha..ok my fault |
| 18:41.21 | dg7 | the 2015 edition has been announced just now. |
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| 18:41.27 | VarunAgw | I guess it is done to avoid question like "When GSoC 2015 will be announced?" in mailing list |
| 18:42.25 | VarunAgw | dg7: 1 hour ago more precisely |
| 18:42.26 | sttaylor | Google announced both GSoC and GCI this same week in 2013. |
| 18:44.08 | dg7 | any java programmers in here? |
| 18:46.19 | carols | dg7: youâre more likely to find folks that youâre looking for if you go to the organizationâs channel that you want to work with and talk to their community. or, if you really only care about java, you can sort the gsoc 2014 orgs list by tags like âjavaâ and find the organizations working in that field. this channel is just a general channel for the program, it specifically not specific to a topic or org. |
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| 18:52.35 | Slurpee | Reading over notes and it appears GCI will accept 12 orgs in 2014 rather than 10 orgs in 2013? |
| 18:54.34 | sttaylor | Slurpee: up to 12, depending on the applications we receive |
| 18:54.35 | sttaylor | 10-12 |
| 18:55.29 | Slurpee | sttaylor, cool. "the more the merrier" |
| 18:55.42 | sttaylor | :) |
| 18:56.31 | Slurpee | We have been anticipating this announcement at Drupal and I must admit, today's announcement is wonderful news. |
| 18:57.33 | Slurpee | We have been organizing tasks and mentors throughout the year. This year we're a bit smarter and started organizing our task ideas in a csv spreadsheet that is already to import into Melange. |
| 18:59.07 | Slurpee | Perfect timing too. Drupal 8.0.0 beta 1 was released last week. We can use all the help possible over the next few months. |
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| 19:05.33 | NikolaiToryzin | carols, So if I'm getting CGI, we submit tasks that students accept and try to complete, right? |
| 19:05.49 | umccullough | that sounds more like GCI ;) |
| 19:05.49 | carols | NikolaiToryzin: i donât know, itâs not my program. :-) you should ask sttaylor |
| 19:06.02 | NikolaiToryzin | Gotcha :) |
| 19:06.06 | carols | i can only care about so many things at once :-) |
| 19:06.12 | NikolaiToryzin | I took you as a magical jack of all trades :P |
| 19:06.17 | carols | well, thank you. |
| 19:06.21 | carols | but i am still human |
| 19:06.25 | carols | and only have 8 hours in the day |
| 19:06.34 | sttaylor | Slurpee: that is very smart to add task ideas throughout the year- that's what I encourage all orgs to do : ) |
| 19:07.22 | umccullough | we usually carve out a bunch of items in our bug tracker as GCI candidates |
| 19:07.47 | NikolaiToryzin | Would be fun to grab a couple easier Tox tasks and shoot those as items |
| 19:07.49 | sttaylor | NikolaiToryzin: for GCI the orgs create tasks in different categories and students look for tasks that interst them and claim them and work on them |
| 19:07.50 | Slurpee | sttaylor, it truly helps. We feel much more prepared than last year. Plus we did a few presentations at our internal conferences/camps/cons to spark mentor interest. |
| 19:08.39 | bkuhn | It would be funny if a student in GCI wrote CGIs. But I guess no one writes CGIs anymore (at least not in the old way they used to. ;) |
| 19:08.40 | Slurpee | umccullough, that is a pretty good idea. Do you have a specific queue for gci/gsoc tasks or simply tag them gci/gsoc? Maybe a link to help? We decided to go with a Google Drive spreadsheet that anyone can contribute to. |
| 19:09.16 | bkuhn | suspects that many students who are in GCI weren't alive when CGIs was the common way to develop web applications. ;) |
| 19:09.22 | umccullough | Slurpee, sometimes they get tagged throughout the year with a "gci" keyword, but usually we just have a short hunting expedition before GCI starts |
| 19:10.07 | Slurpee | sttaylor, I'm going over GCI Events and Timeline, but I don't see a specific deadline time to post application on Nov 10th? |
| 19:10.19 | umccullough | since we're an operating system, with our own packaging solution, we also have a list of "ports that need recipes" to give out at GCI |
| 19:10.26 | Slurpee | Same with October 27th, there isn't a time listed that application will open. |
| 19:11.05 | NikolaiToryzin | umccullough, Funny, I had a dozen packaging related things that needed to get done |
| 19:11.32 | umccullough | NikolaiToryzin, yeah, those make good tasks, as they usually aren't very complicated, just need someone to learn, understand, and finish the work |
| 19:11.59 | umccullough | it's a great way to introduce students to project tasks too |
| 19:12.21 | umccullough | and some packaging is more complicated, so the students who pick it up can work on the harder ones |
| 19:13.13 | NikolaiToryzin | Yup! We've got a ton of clients and packages all over the place that need either packing or fixing |
| 19:13.20 | NikolaiToryzin | Not too hard |
| 19:13.23 | NikolaiToryzin | Just takes some time |
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| 19:15.51 | umccullough | I will caution anyone thinking of participating in GCI - it's a LOT more work and handholding than GSoC |
| 19:16.43 | umccullough | and you'll need mentors who 1) have a lot of free time day to day, and 2) who have a lot of patience |
| 19:17.19 | umccullough | i can't stress the patience enough though - some of these kids will get on your nerves ;) |
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| 19:30.40 | squll | hello |
| 19:31.05 | carols | hi squll |
| 19:36.36 | brlcad | bkuhn: searching for inurl:cgi-bin indicates that they're at least still in widespread use ... ~257M pages |
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| 19:38.10 | bkuhn | brlcad: Yeah, I guess so... but are people writing new ones? |
| 19:38.13 | bkuhn | I guess they must be. |
| 19:38.33 | bkuhn | I mean, thousands of people are still writing fresh COBOL code every morning! |
| 19:38.35 | brlcad | I'd be surprised if it's still not a uni go-to for teaching some web programming courses |
| 19:39.22 | squll | But most of the software written in COBOL is for financial clients |
| 19:39.55 | bkuhn | squll: Sure, my point was, though: Every technology that ever exists is more or less still in use somewhere, just not as much as it once was. |
| 19:40.08 | squll | Yes, that is true indeed. |
| 19:40.26 | squll | It remains a beauty. |
| 19:40.51 | meflin | we write several new cgi's a year |
| 19:41.00 | meflin | for interal use and we are old geezers |
| 19:41.18 | bkuhn | is also an old geezer. |
| 19:41.32 | bkuhn | graduated college before CGIs existed. :) |
| 19:41.55 | squll | is just 19 years old |
| 19:41.58 | bkuhn | I remember learning how to do CGI programming on my own a year out of college. |
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| 19:42.17 | bkuhn | squll: that's cool! You were born the year I graduated from undergraduate. |
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| 19:42.26 | meflin | heh cgi is easy enough that you dont need to learn how to do ( to start out ) |
| 19:42.44 | bkuhn | I try not to be all "old dude" to people, but one thing I would tell you is the opportunities you have today to get involved with Free Software are much easier and better than we had when we were your age. ;) |
| 19:42.52 | bkuhn | Definitely appreciate things like GCI and GSoC. |
| 19:43.00 | meflin | that is very true |
| 19:43.03 | bkuhn | Nothing of its like existed at all when we were getting involved. |
| 19:43.27 | meflin | fewer projects, and a bit more stuffy back then as well |
| 19:43.41 | bkuhn | I almost cry to think about how wonderful it would have been if GSoC had existed when I was in university. |
| 19:44.04 | bkuhn | meflin: the worst part for me was I never got heavily involved because there was no mentoring like we have in GSoC. |
| 19:44.13 | bkuhn | My patches would always get rejected, I just thought I was no good. |
| 19:44.21 | bkuhn | There was no one around to tell me how to fix my patches so I could get involved. |
| 19:44.44 | meflin | I got lucky on that .. my first job was a training company ( mostly nix and mostly programing ) |
| 19:44.47 | bkuhn | ah! |
| 19:44.50 | bkuhn | that's great. |
| 19:44.55 | bkuhn | My jobs were all writing proprietary software. |
| 19:45.00 | bkuhn | so I was doing Free Software coding on the nights/weekends |
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| 19:45.24 | meflin | company policy -> free classes for you |
| 19:45.38 | meflin | and use the internet for anything |
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| 20:05.20 | Slurpee | Have any GCI orgs setup mentor schedules? Example some mentors might have a lot of time to help in earlier weeks of GCI, but won't have any time during the holidays? |
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| 20:08.18 | sttaylor | Slurpee: that is something that we encourage orgs to do. You also need to be sure that holidays are covered etc. which usually works out since most orgs have folks all around the world celebrating different holidays |
| 20:09.30 | meflin | you might also need mentors with different skills ... last year I did gci for the first time as a specialist mentor for getting the env up and running to free up others who had ore xp with the code base |
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| 20:20.18 | somaen | sttaylor: Well, that's a bit more read-only than the wiki. |
| 20:20.43 | somaen | I was hoping for somewhere for discussion regarding it. |
| 20:21.14 | sttaylor | somaen: ah, no there isn't a discussion list for the reunion. we have never had one set up as far as I know. |
| 20:21.43 | sttaylor | somaen: we have a group list for the attendees but it's an announce only group |
| 20:22.17 | somaen | Neh, but there was a part of the Wiki last year for discussions between any significant others that were coming along, so that they could figure out something to do while the summit happened. |
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| 20:25.00 | somaen | Without the wiki, it's a tad harder to set up anything like that. |
| 20:26.20 | sttaylor | somaen: sorry |
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| 20:28.50 | asd__ | hi please help me on gsoc tips |
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| 20:57.32 | Slurpee | meflin, RE: specific type of mentors - basically...you were the "go to person regarding questions about setting up dev env"? |
| 20:57.39 | meflin | yep |
| 20:58.18 | Slurpee | meflin, I could see that being very helpful. How did they contact you? issue queue? Wait for you on irc? |
| 20:58.28 | meflin | irc |
| 20:58.55 | meflin | main contact medium for the project and I live here especially while at work |
| 20:59.00 | Slurpee | Good idea. |
| 21:00.05 | meflin | my work has a few weird ideas about "work" ... like gsoc is work |
| 21:00.17 | Slurpee | Maybe we could setup a weekly meeting for "Ask dev evn questions" |
| 21:00.19 | carols | meflin: my work has the same idea |
| 21:00.27 | meflin | heh |
| 21:00.41 | meflin | well unless there is an emergency of course |
| 21:01.19 | somaen | Would it be ok to ask on the mailing list about a thing like I mentioned then? (Basically some way of SOs getting in touch to have something to do while the summit is going on)? |
| 21:01.42 | carols | somaen: thatâs what the gsoc mentor summit meetups list is for |
| 21:01.46 | carols | so you donât have to use the mentors list |
| 21:01.56 | somaen | Ah, right, ok. |
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| 21:21.33 | curious__ | Hello!! I'm pretty new here and want to participate in gsoc 2015 |
| 21:23.18 | carols | curious__: sure, how can we help you? |
| 21:24.30 | curious__ | I want to know how can I choose the company I want to work for |
| 21:25.13 | curious__ | I wok in java mostly and I'm Learning python now |
| 21:25.14 | meflin | no idea ... my gsoc org's are not companys |
| 21:25.20 | meflin | and its python |
| 21:25.44 | meflin | organizations are not always companys |
| 21:26.00 | curious__ | Ohh I get it |
| 21:26.47 | meflin | first figure out what you like ... check the last years list ... find something you will enjoy and just get involved |
| 21:27.07 | curious__ | Are all organisations that participated last year will participate this year also |
| 21:27.12 | meflin | no |
| 21:27.19 | meflin | but it doesn't mater :) |
| 21:27.30 | meflin | the experience will give you a leg up |
| 21:27.38 | curious__ | Ok |
| 21:27.58 | curious__ | Which organisation are you from?? |
| 21:28.13 | meflin | me? SyncDifferent and Python |
| 21:28.26 | meflin | that leaves 100+ other org's |
| 21:28.39 | meflin | and some will go and some will come in |
| 21:28.50 | carols | curious__: the best way to choose an organization is to think about the sorts of things youâre interested in and like doing and then find an org that aligns with those values |
| 21:29.10 | meflin | exactly |
| 21:29.13 | curious__ | Can you give me links where I should start if I were applying for your organisations |
| 21:29.55 | meflin | https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2014 |
| 21:30.07 | meflin | all the orgs from last year are there ... you can search by tags |
| 21:30.13 | bkuhn | curious__: volunteering *now* to contribute to projects from any of the orgs in a previous years' GSoC will look good on an application to whatever org you ultimately choose. |
| 21:30.15 | curious__ | Ok |
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| 21:30.52 | bkuhn | Documented Free Software development experience will always look good on a GSoC application. |
| 21:30.57 | bkuhn | (no matter the project) |
| 21:31.03 | curious__ | Ok |
| 21:32.27 | curious__ | One more question, do you Change these nicknames?? I mean like if I want to talk to you guys again. |
| 21:32.56 | fhthn | do the mentoring organizations release a list of projects which we can apply for? |
| 21:33.09 | bkuhn | curious__: Most of us use the same nick names and reigster them with freenode. |
| 21:33.11 | meflin | nicknames can change but often do not |
| 21:33.12 | bkuhn | But that's not always true. |
| 21:33.29 | bkuhn | if you are going to use IRC a lot, I recommend that you register a nickname with NickServ on freenode as well. |
| 21:33.57 | bkuhn | fhthn: yes, each mentoring org has its own list of projects, but probably won't be fully available until just before the Mentoring org application deadline. :) |
| 21:34.13 | fhthn | k... |
| 21:34.40 | curious__ | Ok. Thank you! I'll come back again after I work up your suggestions a bit. |
| 21:35.14 | fhthn | but then what if i have some of my own ideas... can i apply with those? |
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| 21:36.04 | carols | fhthn: sure, most orgs allow âblue skyâ proposals as part of their ideas page. however, even if you know you want to submit a blue sky proposal youâll want to work closely with the org first to see what would make the most sense to propose. |
| 21:36.42 | carols | so again, you should first volunteer with an org to get to know them, the community, and help out and learn more about them |
| 21:37.52 | bkuhn | hasn't even though about what to put on Conservancy's project list yet. |
| 21:38.55 | fhthn | if i have contributed to some open source community, but then i apply to some other mentor, do they consider our contribution? |
| 21:39.42 | carols | fhthn: you mean you apply to work on a different project than the one youâve been contributing to within the same organization? |
| 21:39.58 | carols | or you mean for an entirely different organization? |
| 21:40.13 | fhthn | entirely different organization |
| 21:40.31 | carols | sure, any experience contributing to an open source org is good experience. |
| 21:40.38 | carols | how much theyâll weight that is up to them. |
| 21:41.18 | fhthn | has vlc ever been associated with gsoc? |
| 21:41.27 | carols | yes |
| 21:41.58 | bkuhn | fhthn: all the prior GSoC orgs are available online, so you can look at all the lists yourself and find what projects have and haven't been involved and when. |
| 21:42.30 | fhthn | k... thanks a lot :) |
| 21:42.37 | carols | cheers |
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| 21:53.01 | earthling11 | Hey,wanna be part of gsoc 15.How do I contact individual organizations |
| 21:53.52 | carols | earthling11: youâll need to find the contact information for the org youâd like to volunteer for on their website |
| 21:54.45 | earthling11 | So will they take my interview or something? |
| 21:56.12 | carols | earthling11: interview? no. for now you would just volunteer. at some point during student applications _if_ the org chooses to do interviews with their applicants you may have an interview, but iâd say thatâs a long way off and only a slight possibility |
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| 23:41.21 | Valodim | bkuhnIdle: regarding your earlier statement: no, volunteering now will not look good. actually /doing/ stuff will look good |
| 23:42.30 | Valodim | I am baffled on a regular basis how many "hey guys I would like to volunteer, where do I start?" mails we get on our project's mailing list |
| 23:43.28 | olly | does your project have a "how to get started with hacking on <project>" document? |
| 23:43.46 | nir_ | Valodim are you a mentor |
| 23:43.47 | nir_ | ? |
| 23:44.11 | Valodim | no, I am a student (or was this year) |
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| 23:44.40 | NikolaiToryzin | Valodim, Wanna know something worse? |
| 23:44.55 | NikolaiToryzin | Imagine having 70+ students and 4 slots |
| 23:44.58 | NikolaiToryzin | That shit is stressful |
| 23:45.09 | NikolaiToryzin | Applicants* |
| 23:45.10 | nir_ | if you don't mind, then can help me with gsoc |
| 23:45.10 | Valodim | none of them ever contributed a single pull request or even commit |
| 23:45.16 | NikolaiToryzin | :P |
| 23:45.19 | nir_ | *can you |
| 23:45.24 | Valodim | not once |
| 23:45.34 | Valodim | may through august, we got about one of these per week |
| 23:45.39 | NikolaiToryzin | We managed to get it down to a dozen |
| 23:46.23 | Valodim | and we tried in the beginning, we kept lists of "simple one-patch" issues, took the time to answer their mails |
| 23:46.54 | umccullough | Valodim, the nature of FOSS i think is having lots of people who *want* to help, but are incapable of doing so :( |
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| 23:47.21 | umccullough | we usually point them to a query of "easy tasks" in our bug tracker |
| 23:47.44 | umccullough | someone regularly marks up bugs with "easy" to keep that list full of interesting stuff |
| 23:48.49 | Valodim | I really hate to say we sort of gave up on that :\ |
| 23:48.53 | Valodim | does it work for you? |
| 23:50.19 | nir_ | Valodim can you help me |
| 23:50.35 | Valodim | nir_: there isn't much I can tell you that hasn't been said before on this channel (although I don't know when you joined) |
| 23:50.52 | umccullough | Valodim, it's hard to say, i don't track people who we point there to see if they followed up with patches |
| 23:52.15 | nir_ | i really want to contribute to opensource |
| 23:52.20 | nir_ | can u guys help me |
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| 23:52.26 | NikolaiToryzin | nir_, Find something that's open source and you use |
| 23:53.00 | umccullough | indeed, pick a project, and start contributing :) |
| 23:53.18 | umccullough | i dare say that's how most of us probably started |
| 23:53.27 | Valodim | gsoc advice in a nutshell: find a project you are genuinely(!!) interested in, and contribute. ask for some pointers where to start, find some part of the project you feel comfortable working on, and just do it. |
| 23:53.37 | nir_ | i don't know where to start :P |
| 23:53.50 | umccullough | pick a project? |
| 23:53.54 | nir_ | ok |
| 23:53.55 | Valodim | if you can't get a patch/pull request in in a matter of a couple of weeks, the project is probably not for you |
| 23:53.57 | nir_ | thanks |
| 23:54.36 | umccullough | if you're interested in gsoc specific projects, you can look through the 2014 project list for some ideas |
| 23:54.38 | Valodim | it's okay to ask for help, but make sure you are able to do significant work on it independently |
| 23:55.39 | nir_ | hmm |
| 23:56.01 | Valodim | before you approach an organizaton, get some basic knowledge about the codebase |
| 23:56.22 | Valodim | make sure you can compile it |
| 23:56.57 | NikolaiToryzin | That's an understatement |
| 23:58.12 | Valodim | at this point I'd be happy if people just did that before asking where to start contributing |
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