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| 11:22.04 | fewcha | the FAQ of GCi says that beginner tasks are supposed to take some 3-5 hours, but while creating a task, we can put minimum of 3 days as the time limit for any task, even beginner tasks |
| 11:22.27 | fewcha | So, what should be done about this? |
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| 11:32.41 | gevaerts | fewcha: the time limit isn't really related to how long people actually work on things. They're allowed breaks and school work |
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| 11:41.48 | fewcha | gevaerts: so should I put 3 days as the time to complete, for beginner tasks? |
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| 12:16.41 | gevaerts | fewcha: I suspect that's reasonable, yes |
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| 12:24.49 | fewcha | gevaerts: okay, thanks |
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| 19:57.05 | umccullough | for the room... a question to ponder |
| 19:57.22 | meflin | NO |
| 19:57.31 | umccullough | it turns out that we have an individual who likely intends to participate in GCI this year |
| 19:57.42 | umccullough | but he already has commit rights to some areas of our system... |
| 19:57.48 | umccullough | this feels like an unfair advantage |
| 19:58.01 | umccullough | but technically not against the rules |
| 19:58.25 | meflin | so what? |
| 19:59.05 | meflin | you have a sub-18 year old bad ass and you want to punish that person? |
| 20:00.23 | Pessimist | lol |
| 20:00.27 | umccullough | not sure this one is a "bad ass" ;) |
| 20:00.36 | umccullough | he does show a lot of initiative though |
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| 20:01.09 | umccullough | in any case, he wanted to mentor GCI last year before he found out he had to be 18 |
| 20:01.27 | umccullough | none of us knew he was only 16 :P |
| 20:01.37 | umccullough | so yeah, it was just a question for the room - i'm not sure it matters |
| 20:01.45 | meflin | and you think you should punish them why? |
| 20:01.59 | umccullough | never said punish |
| 20:02.19 | meflin | if you do not let them GCI you are |
| 20:02.24 | umccullough | didn't say that either |
| 20:02.48 | meflin | life is full of unfair advantages |
| 20:02.48 | umccullough | worried that he'll just check in some of his tasks without review though |
| 20:03.00 | umccullough | but maybe that doesn't matter |
| 20:03.08 | umccullough | since he can't unclaim the task until someone else reviews it |
| 20:03.36 | umccullough | so ultimately, i guess he can't "game" the system or anything |
| 20:03.45 | umccullough | as long as he's not also a mentor |
| 20:03.46 | gevaerts | Exactly. Commits don't count, reviewed tasks do |
| 20:03.47 | meflin | have a mentor check the task |
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| 20:59.28 | terri | umccullough: if it makes you feel better... all the students get commit rights in PySoy for GCI. |
| 21:00.10 | terri | So yeah, just make sure tasks are reviewed and no one just accepts based on commits. should be fine. |
| 21:01.19 | umccullough | yeah, when all students have the same rights, i don't see a problem :) |
| 21:02.04 | umccullough | sounds like our winning student from last year is going to participate again as well - and I think he may have similar commit rights in some areas |
| 21:02.18 | umccullough | i guess i shouldn't be surprised |
| 21:02.41 | umccullough | i just hadn't through it through yet |
| 21:07.21 | PulkoMandy | umccullough: possibly one of our problems is we have a surprisingly high number of mentors (including one org admin) that are not our usual developer team - the question is, can we trust our mentors to know enough to do the reviews? |
| 21:07.49 | PulkoMandy | the fact that more of the students work gets into trunk is great, actually. last week I merged some patches submitted by students in... 2010 |
| 21:08.34 | umccullough | yes, that's awesome |
| 21:08.48 | umccullough | reviewing tasks is always a challenge IMO |
| 21:09.25 | umccullough | as for "one org admin" - is that me? :) |
| 21:09.31 | umccullough | since i don't have commit rights |
| 21:10.02 | PulkoMandy | I was thinking of scott, but actually I'm not even sure who is admin and who isn't this year |
| 21:10.11 | PulkoMandy | seems I was granted admin right too this year |
| 21:10.17 | umccullough | scott, myself, and you are currently admins |
| 21:10.30 | umccullough | scott has commit access to all repos at least |
| 21:10.36 | umccullough | i only have commit access to the prots |
| 21:10.37 | umccullough | ports |
| 21:10.55 | umccullough | anyhow, mundane details for this channel |
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| 21:37.37 | valorie | you have mentors that are not part of your team? |
| 21:37.40 | valorie | I wouldn't allow that |
| 21:38.09 | valorie | better to have fewer than allow that |
| 21:40.55 | Robert_S | umccullough: can you pop over to #melange? |
| 21:45.15 | Robert_S | umccullough: n/m |
| 21:47.31 | PulkoMandy | valorie: right. We are rather restrictive on who gets commit access to our main repository, so there are people without commit access that could stil lbe considered part of the "team" depending on the definition of that word... So not complete strangers, either |
| 21:47.47 | PulkoMandy | maybe if we let them handle GCI mentoring it is time we allow commit access for them too |
| 21:48.38 | valorie | well, I'm not talking about committing, I'm talking about community |
| 21:48.50 | valorie | team=community |
| 21:49.20 | valorie | gci is very high energy, and you want people to be able to cover for one another if necessary |
| 21:49.28 | valorie | especially around holidays |
| 21:49.31 | valorie | weekends |
| 21:49.46 | valorie | there has to be some trust for that to work |
| 21:49.55 | meflin | nights and weekends |
| 21:50.30 | PulkoMandy | I know that. I was a mentor in 2010 and it took me 4 years to recover :> |
| 21:51.50 | valorie | heh |
| 21:52.10 | valorie | yes, which is why it's always nice to have lotsa mentors |
| 21:52.20 | valorie | so it's all about finding the balance |
| 21:52.34 | valorie | I mentored the first year out, and still haven't recovered |
| 21:52.38 | valorie | lol |
| 21:52.51 | valorie | <--- admin only |
| 21:53.13 | meflin | you underestimate yourself |
| 21:54.21 | PulkoMandy | well, with the flood of students joining our IRC channel, most of the community there is involved in helping the students anyway |
| 21:54.29 | PulkoMandy | (or they just leave the channel for 3 months) |
| 21:55.14 | meflin | make a special channel for the work |
| 21:57.26 | PulkoMandy | we are trying to get the students integrated to our community, directing them to a special channel wouldn't work as well, I think |
| 21:57.47 | meflin | that is an issue |
| 21:58.30 | meflin | also I approve of integrate, that has always been my prime goal |
| 22:02.13 | PulkoMandy | there is still the issue of some students trying to get all the work done by other people on IRC - feels a bit like http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2014/10/10/the-soi-protocol/ sometimes |
| 22:02.52 | valorie | we have #kde-soc for talk about the contest itself |
| 22:03.06 | valorie | and encourage the students to join the team chans for the tasks |
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