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| 07:26.26 | tushar | I would like to know about the org and volunteer for which support C++ related gsoc project |
| 07:27.45 | thiago | which org? |
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| 07:28.37 | tushar | which have C++ projects for next gsoc 2015, if any? |
| 07:28.47 | thiago | lots of them do |
| 07:29.02 | thiago | look at the 2014 list and see which ones are tagged with C++ |
| 07:29.03 | tushar | which is best |
| 07:29.10 | thiago | define "best" |
| 07:31.22 | tushar | Ok, after sort out with c++ tag i found many but i like Mozilla and KDE so what should i do now for them? |
| 07:31.33 | thiago | join them |
| 07:31.54 | thiago | start working on tasks that they may have, contribute a feature, fix bugs, etc. |
| 07:33.00 | tushar | on their github profile there are many project So should i select one of them and start working......? am i right? |
| 07:34.02 | thiago | yes |
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| 07:36.54 | tushar | however is it necessary those projects are in the list of their Gsoc profile? |
| 07:37.21 | tushar | i mean all of them |
| 07:37.52 | thiago | rephrase, please |
| 07:37.57 | thiago | is it necessary what? |
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| 07:39.25 | tushar | if i work on their project which is not listed in Gsoc idea list... then is this waste of my time? |
| 07:40.00 | thiago | no |
| 07:41.26 | tushar | So this work only support for selecton in particular org. |
| 07:41.56 | thiago | this has two purposes: |
| 07:42.01 | thiago | 1) to make you know their codebase |
| 07:42.05 | thiago | 2) to make them know you |
| 07:42.29 | tushar | and after selection they give different work |
| 07:43.11 | thiago | you will choose the work you want to do for gsoc, next year |
| 07:45.45 | tushar | so in proposal i can ask them to work on particular task for Gsoc summer |
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| 07:48.27 | thiago | tushar: correct |
| 07:51.35 | tushar | thiago: and it does not matter to match my current project with their finial list's project(for which i'll submit my proposal) |
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| 07:58.49 | tushar | ?? |
| 08:02.01 | tushar | thiago: after publish projects should i work on them ? |
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| 08:02.57 | tushar | in mid interval (before submiting proposal) |
| 08:06.24 | valorie | tushar: the important part is finding a team to work with |
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| 08:06.50 | valorie | so that when it comes time to craft your proposal, they can help you with it, and mentor you |
| 08:07.09 | valorie | you have to propose something that a team *wants* |
| 08:08.38 | tushar | valorie: so what should i do now please explain me |
| 08:09.05 | valorie | thiago already told you |
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| 08:09.56 | valorie | you find a team you like, and want to work with |
| 08:10.07 | valorie | they'll help you, and you'll help them |
| 08:10.17 | valorie | that's what Free and Open Source is all about |
| 08:10.37 | tushar | valorie: and it does not matter to match my current project with their finial list's project(for which i'll submit my proposal) |
| 08:11.54 | valorie | most of the accepted projects will match what they want in some way |
| 08:12.34 | valorie | which is why you should look now for a team you want to work with |
| 08:12.41 | valorie | start fixing bugs, etc. |
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| 08:13.19 | bshah | tushar: thing is you will discuss your idea with organization, its not necessary that idea will match with their idea.. (take them as examples) its just that idea you propose should be useful for organization |
| 08:14.50 | valorie | tushar: also remember that the old lists of tasks are mostly outdated now |
| 08:14.57 | bshah | tushar: and it will take time for orgs to publish their ideas for this year. |
| 08:15.03 | valorie | some of them already done |
| 08:15.10 | tushar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:15.40 | valorie | you should continue to work with your team, and discuss with them |
| 08:16.06 | bshah | this is not a time to pick your project but rather picking your team.. |
| 08:16.27 | tushar | where to pick team? |
| 08:16.28 | bshah | you will yourself get a better ideas when you will start to interact with organization |
| 08:16.32 | tushar | any site? |
| 08:16.45 | bshah | you can see organization accepted last year.. |
| 08:17.01 | valorie | kde.org and mozilla.org were the two you mentioned earlier, tushar |
| 08:17.30 | tushar | on their mailing list?? is it |
| 08:18.03 | valorie | kde has many mail lists, many irc channels, etc. |
| 08:18.13 | valorie | cruise around and see what interests you |
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| 08:18.24 | valorie | I assume the same is true for mozilla |
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| 08:24.02 | tushar | is there any thing like many people said there are more less chance to select in mozilla like org. due to its popularity so there are more comptition to select in it rathar work with less popular org.?????? |
| 08:24.29 | valorie | I think all orgs have a lot of competition |
| 08:25.29 | valorie | however, to be honest, if there is a choice to select a student who already is friendly and working with a team, and knows their mentor |
| 08:25.35 | valorie | it's an easy choice |
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| 08:27.40 | tushar | how much org. should i start focus on? i mean in Mozilla or KDE both or one of them? |
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| 08:28.34 | valorie | as I said, cruise around on the websites, etc. and decide what YOU LIKE |
| 08:28.41 | valorie | that's the important part |
| 08:28.47 | valorie | find somewhere you feel at home |
| 08:29.21 | valorie | no one can make that decision for you |
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| 12:42.22 | harshadura | sips some tea |
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| 12:46.12 | harshadura | :D |
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| 13:02.18 | *** topic/#gsoc is GSoC 2015 and GCI 2014 are on! Check out google-melange.com for more info on both programs |
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| 13:04.50 | vultraz | coffee is superior! |
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| 13:05.57 | adityagulati | hi |
| 13:06.08 | andre__ | hi |
| 13:07.11 | adityagulati | is there any mentor here from brl-cad |
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| 13:11.08 | Guest23441 | hey |
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| 14:09.26 | brlcad | ahh, he found his way into our channel .. all good |
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| 14:31.01 | walterbender | I have a task that was claimed but no Assign button is appearing... any clues as to how to proceed? |
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| 14:44.12 | andre__ | walterbender, have you reloaded and bypassed your browser cache? |
| 14:44.30 | andre__ | and stupid question, but you are either mentor or org admin of that task? :) |
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| 15:10.42 | ProgrammingLuko | Hello |
| 15:11.23 | ProgrammingLuko | Im From Germany and i have the question? |
| 15:11.35 | AnonGuy | shoot |
| 15:11.42 | AnonGuy | don't ask to ask , ask |
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| 15:13.05 | ProgrammingLuko | Can i write the name of my street in German? |
| 15:13.35 | ProgrammingLuko | by my profile |
| 15:14.45 | AnonGuy | I guess the admins will be able to answer that question better |
| 15:14.54 | AnonGuy | wait for sometime and then check again :) |
| 15:15.37 | gevaerts | The usual issue is that the logistics company the google people use for gsoc and gci can't handle non-ASCII for some reason |
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| 15:43.13 | MatthewWilkes | A friend of mine had a problem the other day, because he got a letter addressed to Universitaetsstr and the post office claimed they'd never heard of it and that if he wants to get post in future he should make sure it's addressed to Universitätsstr |
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| 15:45.31 | gevaerts | Really? |
| 15:45.34 | andre__ | MatthewWilkes, uhm. I also once lived in Germany in a street with umlauts in its name and I had never any issues with delivery when writing oe instead of ö |
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| 15:45.53 | andre__ | so whatever city that is I'd complain at the local post |
| 15:46.06 | gevaerts | Isn't ä officially equivalent to ae? |
| 15:46.20 | MatthewWilkes | Köln, and it was probably that he spoke to someone having a bad day |
| 15:46.39 | MatthewWilkes | It did arrive in the end, just took a couple of weeks |
| 15:49.24 | YashM | Am I allowed to add a very little something over the GSoC logo or is it not allowed |
| 15:49.33 | YashM | to use in flyer |
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| 15:57.37 | MatthewWilkes | YashM: I don't know the specifics for GSoC, but generally nobody lets you modify their logo |
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| 18:10.46 | downey | mmm tea |
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| 20:10.05 | MatthewWilkes | So, I reported a bug to someone, was told it wasn't a bug "as such". I explained exactly how it broke expectations, caused data loss, and loss of income. A week later they reply, saying others have now reported it and it is indeed "a persistent technical glitch". |
| 20:10.12 | MatthewWilkes | Is "bug" a naughty word these days? |
| 20:12.04 | umccullough | yes |
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| 20:12.37 | umccullough | i work with devs who are sensitive to "bug" as well :P |
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| 20:14.53 | MatthewWilkes | umccullough: What do you call it? Oops feature? |
| 20:15.01 | umccullough | i call it a bug |
| 20:15.04 | umccullough | :) |
| 20:15.33 | umccullough | but i get tired of the constant arguments about whether it was a mistake in the requirements/specification, or a misunderstanding on the user's part, etc. |
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| 20:16.30 | gevaerts | Those are called "bugs in the specification" and "bugs in the manual" :) |
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| 20:16.44 | umccullough | yeah, but usually it's "lacking detail" |
| 20:16.54 | umccullough | instead of "bug" |
| 20:17.08 | gevaerts | Hmmmm |
| 20:17.17 | umccullough | "you didn't tell us it shouldn't have that unrelated behavior, so it's not a bug" |
| 20:17.22 | umccullough | stupid |
| 20:17.41 | gevaerts | "lacking detail" is a great way to describe a missing line of code too |
| 20:17.49 | gevaerts | Such as, say, a missing free() :) |
| 20:18.13 | gevaerts | Or a lack of 1-bits in a pointer you dereference |
| 20:18.21 | MatthewWilkes | I worked on a project once that took that to the extreme. Tickets in the issue tracker had to have Cucumber BDD statements in them. The tests were marked up as covering those statements. All other behaviour was undefined, changing the statements in the issue tracker broke the tests. |
| 20:18.49 | MatthewWilkes | I think the PM just wanted to see if he could get away with such a set up, and he seemed to |
| 20:19.29 | umccullough | in my case, i think devs just like to have "changes" deprioritized so they don't have to stop what they're doing and fix them as "defects" |
| 20:19.38 | umccullough | oh, also, "defect" is the term our bug tracker uses... |
| 20:19.45 | tierra | jQuery actually works mostly like that... tickets aren't valid and will be closed without full unit tests |
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| 20:21.06 | tierra | but I do think they are in a much more specialized situation to require that, and make it work appropriately |
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| 20:21.44 | Evan_M | Hello everyone! |
| 20:21.49 | MatthewWilkes | hi Evan_M |
| 20:24.27 | Evan_M | How are you all today? |
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| 20:26.04 | AnonGuy | well , I'm sleepy , 2 am here !!! |
| 20:27.42 | Evan_M | Wow, where do you live? Europe/Asia? |
| 20:27.55 | AnonGuy | Asia |
| 20:28.01 | AnonGuy | what about you ? |
| 20:28.13 | Evan_M | USA, it's 3:30 here on the east coast |
| 20:29.26 | AnonGuy | yeah , saw that , Wichita right ? |
| 20:30.32 | Evan_M | Nah, I live in Maryland, about an hour off from Washington DC |
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| 20:31.22 | AnonGuy | ohh , your ip address showed somewhere wichita |
| 20:31.30 | AnonGuy | so , what's your age ? |
| 20:31.44 | gevaerts | Postmodern :) |
| 20:32.29 | Evan_M | I'm 16 and 2 months, you? |
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| 20:33.44 | AnonGuy | I'm 14 |
| 20:33.49 | AnonGuy | turning 15 in a month |
| 20:35.17 | AnonGuy | so you working on any task atm ? |
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| 20:36.39 | Evan_M | Pretty cool! Yeah, I'm working on a script for Wikipedia for reviewing articles, it's pretty neat! I'm just making some fixes to the changes I made |
| 20:36.43 | Evan_M | How about you? |
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| 20:38.52 | AnonGuy | awesome , mostly documentation |
| 20:38.58 | AnonGuy | I don't know much of coding |
| 20:40.19 | Evan_M | Haha yeah, thats mostly what I did last year |
| 20:40.40 | AnonGuy | yeah |
| 20:40.48 | AnonGuy | how did it go for you last year ? |
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| 20:41.45 | Evan_M | I mean, I got 3 tasks done, I didn't really do much or truly know what I was doing |
| 20:41.52 | Evan_M | I'm a lot more confident this year |
| 20:43.11 | AnonGuy | yeah , that will be ther |
| 20:43.14 | AnonGuy | there |
| 20:43.15 | AnonGuy | * |
| 20:43.26 | AnonGuy | so how'd you learn coding in 1 year ? |
| 20:45.46 | Evan_M | It's not something I can explain too well. Last year around this time I knew some coding, but over the past year I've really expanded my horizons and tried a whole lot of new things. It's really a matter of finding an aspect that interests you, and trying it. I worked on a game for awhile, and I got some pretty nice stuff done there, learned a lot, I've been working on a browser based drawing app, I've been programming plugins for a Minecraft Server |
| 20:46.13 | AnonGuy | nice ! |
| 20:46.23 | AnonGuy | which language do you know ? |
| 20:46.31 | AnonGuy | language(s) |
| 20:46.35 | AnonGuy | rather |
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| 20:47.37 | Evan_M | My main two are C# and Java, but I know my way around python, I also have been doing Javascript for a bit now, I'd say Im pretty great with HTML/CSS(Despite them not really being programming languages), and some PHP recently. Do you know any programming languages? |
| 20:47.59 | AnonGuy | yeah , just python |
| 20:48.06 | AnonGuy | a little bit |
| 20:48.18 | AnonGuy | basic stuff |
| 20:49.16 | AnonGuy | how many tasks have you done by now ? |
| 20:50.11 | Evan_M | I'm on my 2nd one now, I've been a bit slow, but hey, still getting em done |
| 20:50.41 | AnonGuy | yeah |
| 20:50.43 | AnonGuy | same here |
| 20:50.54 | AnonGuy | i'm also on my second one |
| 20:51.51 | Evan_M | Pretty cool, what org are you working with? |
| 20:52.03 | AnonGuy | wikimedia as well |
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| 20:53.47 | Evan_M | Pretty cool! I'm hoping to win, but if I don't I won't mind at all, I still have next year, and I'll still learn a lot |
| 20:54.23 | AnonGuy | same here |
| 20:54.28 | AnonGuy | I'm here for learning too |
| 20:54.51 | AnonGuy | even if you don't win , you take back alooot of knowledge as a prize |
| 20:54.59 | AnonGuy | alot * |
| 20:55.42 | Evan_M | Yeah, exactly |
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| 20:56.28 | AnonGuy | And gogole is anyways giving a shirt , that's also a memento you can keep |
| 20:56.38 | AnonGuy | so it's a win win situation |
| 20:57.05 | Evan_M | Haha, yeah, I like my shirt from last year |
| 20:57.24 | Evan_M | Im not 100% sure where my certificate is, but I also got a sticker and it's on my laptop |
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| 20:58.37 | AnonGuy | awesome , they give you a stucker as well ? |
| 20:58.42 | AnonGuy | * sticker |
| 20:58.56 | AnonGuy | I guess I need to sleep , my typing is gettin lousy |
| 20:59.26 | Evan_M | Yeah, it's pretty cool |
| 20:59.43 | Evan_M | Yeah, sleep is important, can;t be up till 2 every night :P |
| 21:00.00 | Evan_M | Unless you can afford to sleep in, in which case it's awesome |
| 21:00.12 | AnonGuy | yeah , I think I am probably going to sleep in the first lecture tomorrow |
| 21:00.33 | AnonGuy | Gotta book the last seat |
| 21:00.34 | AnonGuy | lol |
| 21:01.16 | Evan_M | xD My first class is Programming, and Im at a high enough level where it's all self-directed |
| 21:01.19 | Evan_M | It's pretty great |
| 21:01.42 | AnonGuy | wait , you have programming in school ? |
| 21:01.59 | AnonGuy | what exactly do you mean by self-dericted ? |
| 21:02.01 | Evan_M | Yeah, we have 3 levels at my school |
| 21:02.07 | AnonGuy | that is nice |
| 21:02.15 | AnonGuy | which education system ? |
| 21:02.26 | AnonGuy | I mean if they have varieties in the US |
| 21:02.37 | Evan_M | The first 2 are Java-based, while the 3rd one you just kinda do whatever you want, so long as it's programming |
| 21:03.10 | Evan_M | The general system is the same accross the whole US, but some areas differ in the courses/graduation requirements |
| 21:03.10 | AnonGuy | cool |
| 21:03.23 | AnonGuy | I'd LOVE to have programming classes in my school |
| 21:03.34 | Evan_M | In my area, we get lots of optional classes |
| 21:03.58 | AnonGuy | "area" ? |
| 21:03.59 | Evan_M | We also have 2 web development classes, Im in the advanced one, and we're making a site for our school's newspaper |
| 21:04.06 | AnonGuy | nice ! |
| 21:04.59 | Evan_M | In the US we have counties, which are subareas of a state, and each one has their partially different own education system |
| 21:05.26 | AnonGuy | ohh |
| 21:05.30 | AnonGuy | didn't know that |
| 21:05.46 | Evan_M | How does it work where you live? |
| 21:06.29 | AnonGuy | well , we have education system(s) called "Boards" and each of them is like veryyyy different from each other |
| 21:07.13 | Evan_M | That's pretty interesting |
| 21:07.24 | AnonGuy | there are 2 national boards and well , international boards like IGCSE and IB are being introduced in myy country |
| 21:07.38 | Evan_M | Oh, my school has lots of IB stuff |
| 21:07.52 | AnonGuy | also , each state , has their own "board" |
| 21:08.12 | Evan_M | We have all 3 of their programs now, IB, IBCC (Career Course) and MYP (Middle Years Program, pretty much prepping you for IB) |
| 21:08.24 | AnonGuy | so like it's a messed up world in education here |
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| 21:08.45 | AnonGuy | by now , Indians probably know which country I'm talking about |
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| 21:12.02 | AnonGuy | the top Government supported colleges (we call them IITs) (they are awesome , you probably might have heard , Facebook recently gave someone a $ 330,000 + job |
| 21:12.11 | AnonGuy | right after undergrad |
| 21:12.14 | Evan_M | Oh my god, that's amazing |
| 21:12.19 | AnonGuy | I think |
| 21:12.41 | AnonGuy | Imagine , your first job for $ 330,000 pa |
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| 21:13.14 | Evan_M | We have some schools run by the state, there's one in particular I want to go to, the creators of the Oculus Rift went there |
| 21:13.54 | AnonGuy | that'll be amazing |
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| 21:14.35 | Evan_M | Yeah, for sure |
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| 21:14.54 | AnonGuy | to be honest , I feel USA has much more opportunities when it comes to well , you know computers |
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| 21:15.11 | Evan_M | I'd be inclined to agree to that |
| 21:15.22 | AnonGuy | with all the companies like Code.org it's a good place to start |
| 21:15.24 | AnonGuy | and learn |
| 21:15.47 | AnonGuy | the only I have in my school prgramming languages is HTML |
| 21:15.54 | AnonGuy | that too very basic |
| 21:16.09 | Evan_M | Yeah, I'm mostly self-taught though |
| 21:16.21 | AnonGuy | lists , and tables . Period. That's it |
| 21:16.39 | AnonGuy | yeah , but atleast you have a place where you can practice |
| 21:16.51 | Evan_M | True enough |
| 21:16.56 | AnonGuy | like the club where you are making a website for your school and stuff |
| 21:17.12 | Evan_M | It's actually an official class, it's really awesome |
| 21:17.15 | AnonGuy | I am the only guy in my Grade who knows coding |
| 21:17.21 | AnonGuy | in my school |
| 21:17.25 | AnonGuy | IKR |
| 21:17.25 | Evan_M | Wow |
| 21:17.32 | AnonGuy | that's not wow |
| 21:17.35 | AnonGuy | it's bad |
| 21:17.49 | Evan_M | I'd be inclined to say Im the best coder in my school, just based on experience and such |
| 21:17.53 | AnonGuy | people have no clue what you are talking about |
| 21:17.59 | AnonGuy | that's nice |
| 21:18.04 | Evan_M | Ugh, true enough |
| 21:18.21 | AnonGuy | and no one you can collaborate and actually build something |
| 21:18.31 | AnonGuy | maybe only a small website or something |
| 21:18.52 | AnonGuy | no body and that's why it sort of is bad |
| 21:19.15 | Evan_M | That's a fair enough point, at least there's the internet |
| 21:19.37 | AnonGuy | Okay , gtg now , 0245 here . message me personally some time |
| 21:19.46 | Evan_M | Alright, take care! |
| 21:19.57 | AnonGuy | yeah , but the fun in working with your friends is not there |
| 21:20.01 | AnonGuy | you too |
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| 21:46.49 | MatthewWilkes | carols: So, I finally used my robot tea strainer. I love the SoC branding on it, it's subtle but pretty. Thanks again! |
| 21:47.09 | carols | MatthewWilkes: youâre welcome! glad you like it! |
| 21:47.49 | MatthewWilkes | :) |
| 21:48.51 | MatthewWilkes | How're you? Busy as ever? |
| 21:49.24 | scorche|sh | i didnt even notice the SoC branding until i got home and then i thought i was dumb |
| 21:49.36 | carols | MatthewWilkes: yep, always busy :-) how are you? |
| 21:49.49 | scorche|sh | carols: the hoodies are *awesome*...it is finally getting cold enough here to wear it, so last week was my first time |
| 21:49.54 | scorche|sh | *so* nice and soft |
| 21:50.05 | carols | scorche|sh: awesome, thanks for saying so :-) glad you like them! |
| 21:50.39 | MatthewWilkes | Started a new freelance assignment last week. All but one of the developers have since quit. I maintain this is a coincidence, but I'm going to be rather busy for the next month or two, I think. |
| 21:50.59 | carols | MatthewWilkes: sounds nice :-) |
| 21:51.22 | MatthewWilkes | Oh, yes, the hoodies too! I've been wearing mine for a few weeks. |
| 21:52.22 | scorche|sh | low of 45/7 tonight - brrrrr =( |
| 21:52.32 | Evan_M | The hoodies from being a finalist? |
| 21:52.49 | carols | Evan_M: the hoodies from the GSoC Reunion |
| 21:52.55 | Evan_M | Ahh |
| 21:53.05 | meflin | rather like mine as well |
| 21:54.23 | AnonGuy|Away | you get a robotic item for being a finalist ? |
| 21:54.36 | MatthewWilkes | I made the mistake of getting hooked on the Google foobar challenge thingy, too, so despite being busy with everything else I'm spending far too much time thinking about code puzzles |
| 21:55.36 | carols | AnonGuy|Away: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/document/show/gci_program/google/gci2014/help_page#prizes you get a hoodie and a tshirt. |
| 21:56.46 | AnonGuy|Away | no I am talking about the robotic tea strainer MatthewWilkes mentioned |
| 21:57.01 | AnonGuy|Away | although I know that is for GSoc |
| 21:57.06 | AnonGuy|Away | but still |
| 21:57.42 | gevaerts | It's not a prize |
| 22:01.16 | MatthewWilkes | AnonGuy|Away: We're mentors, not students. The tea strainer was a surprise gift at the 10 year reunion. |
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| 22:02.23 | AnonGuy|Away | uhh oh. Sorry I didn't know that |
| 22:03.16 | MatthewWilkes | No need to apologise! |
| 22:03.45 | MatthewWilkes | With all the people covering different roles in different programmes in this channel there's always going to be confusing references |
| 22:04.23 | gevaerts | imagines that all the tea talk in this channel can be a bit of a strain for some people |
| 22:04.37 | meflin | groan :P |
| 22:04.43 | AnonGuy|Away | :p |
| 22:05.13 | summatusmentis | gevaerts: you just need to steep yourself in the culture and it won't bother you anymore |
| 22:05.36 | gevaerts | :) |
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