| 00:02.51 | firespeaker | anyone else run into this issue? https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=2467 |
| 00:03.22 | firespeaker | "Uploading HTML/JS work will result in it being minified and modified when downloaded (GCI)" |
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| 00:22.03 | valorie | firespeaker: perhaps also upload to dropbox, owncloud, etc.? |
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| 01:18.19 | firespeaker | valorie: oh? |
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| 02:42.24 | valorie | firespeaker: just in case the minified code isn't satisfactory/doesn't work, etc. |
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| 03:45.15 | IKRAM | Hello people . I am searching help for google code in. Am i in the right channel? If not , please tell me the right channel |
| 03:46.34 | bshah | yes it is right place |
| 03:51.33 | valorie | hi IKRAM are you just getting started? |
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| 03:56.14 | IKRAM | Yes , I heared about it and I want to start with some basic tasks |
| 03:57.42 | IKRAM | I have created account and have chosen this task to be my beginning task https://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2014/6343217972772864 |
| 03:57.42 | gcibot | Open Source Software in Singapore: Interview three people who are contributors |
| 03:57.42 | gcibot | Status: ClaimRequested |
| 03:57.42 | gcibot | Mentor(s): Mario Behling |
| 03:59.54 | IKRAM | I have clicked on claim this task button. Now , what I have to do ? anything else ? |
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| 04:15.05 | IKRAM | I know , you all are busy . I am really new and I want to do some task . So , your guidance will help my journey in Google code in |
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| 04:17.51 | bshah | IKRAM: now that you have claimed task, you should wait for your mentor, who will assign task to you.. and mentor will give you more help on how to do this task |
| 04:19.40 | bshah | IKRAM: in the meantime you can join their IRC channel and ask for help there |
| 04:21.12 | IKRAM | IRC channel means this channel ? |
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| 04:22.52 | bshah | no IRC channel of FOSSAsia |
| 04:23.24 | bshah | #fossasia |
| 04:38.55 | IKRAM | and how the parent consent verify works ? I mean how people will verify my parents consent ? Will they sent mail to my parents ? |
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| 04:43.15 | bshah | I am not sure about that but there is something like your parents must sign some documents |
| 04:43.18 | bshah | read faq |
| 04:43.20 | bshah | !faq |
| 04:43.20 | gsocbot | bshah: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page |
| 04:43.21 | forkbot | http://transitiontech.ca/faq + http://transitiontech.ca/faqv2 |
| 04:43.59 | bshah | not this.. |
| 04:45.02 | bshah | IKRAM: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/document/show/gci_program/google/gci2014/help_page |
| 04:46.19 | IKRAM | Thanks bshah :) |
| 04:46.37 | bshah | no problem :) |
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| 04:47.56 | IKRAM | How long it takes to verify my papers(Parents consent and my student ID)? any idea ? |
| 04:49.02 | valorie | IKRAM: don't worry about that |
| 04:49.17 | valorie | once you finish your first task, the paperwork will be processed |
| 04:49.28 | valorie | if there are any problems, they will contact you |
| 04:49.35 | valorie | it will be fine |
| 04:49.53 | IKRAM | OK , so I should concentrate on my task now :) |
| 04:50.02 | valorie | certainly |
| 04:50.16 | valorie | you can always start some research about it |
| 04:50.32 | valorie | perhaps from the /topic of the #fossasia channel |
| 04:50.57 | valorie | or the task description |
| 04:51.42 | IKRAM | yeah , I will :) when this programme will be over ? I mean the deadline of GCi |
| 04:52.00 | valorie | !timeline | IKRAM |
| 04:52.00 | gsocbot | IKRAM: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
| 04:52.13 | valorie | you have over a month |
| 04:53.29 | IKRAM | Thank you all. I will utilize all the time and do some aweosme task :D |
| 04:54.30 | valorie | it's a really cool opportunity |
| 04:54.34 | valorie | good luck, IKRAM |
| 04:55.12 | IKRAM | Thanks :) I will go now . But will be back soon in this room if i need any help |
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| 16:41.45 | firespeaker | valorie: ah, you mean to have the students upload it elsewhere? That's what we're doing, but it's a pain... And it's not that minified code isn't satisfactory, it's that it's impossible to evaluate and later maintain |
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| 18:13.22 | olly | hmm, anyone else being spammed by fossasia? |
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| 18:14.43 | meflin | yes |
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| 18:17.00 | olly | meflin: ah, I guess they've scraped addresses from the mentors list or something |
| 18:17.06 | olly | disappointing |
| 18:19.15 | VarunAgw_ | I got E-Mail too but I am a past GSoC student |
| 18:20.11 | olly | VarunAgw: either way, this isn't a reasonable thing to be doing |
| 18:21.10 | VarunAgw | olly, Yeah! But you got sharp eye. I didn't noticed the E-Mail ;) |
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| 18:24.56 | olly | reports it to the abuse link in the headers |
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| 18:39.24 | krishnaghchaitan | hey! there is a huge misconception i have please help me out of it! will we have to give our own ideas so that mentoring organizations will mentor us or the organizations themselves give coding projects so that we will select and do them?? |
| 18:39.41 | cdesai | krishnaghchaitan: the former. |
| 18:40.54 | PulkoMandy | krishnaghchaitan: are you asking about GSOC or GCI? |
| 18:41.02 | krishnaghchaitan | thanks cdesai |
| 18:41.02 | VarunAgw | krishnaghchaitan, Mentoring org. also have a idea page. You can choose idea from that page too |
| 18:41.06 | olly | um, that's not really true for either |
| 18:41.39 | VarunAgw | PulkoMandy, He is talking about GSoC |
| 18:41.51 | krishnaghchaitan | @PulkoMandy i am asking about GSOC |
| 18:41.56 | olly | yeah, assuming you're asking about gsoc, you have to write a project proposal, but it can be based either on an idea from the org's list, or one of your own |
| 18:42.12 | olly | but if it's your own idea, discuss it with the org first |
| 18:42.17 | olly | some of the best ideas come from students |
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| 18:42.33 | olly | but so do some of the worst |
| 18:43.10 | PulkoMandy | you have to know the org rather well to come up with your own idea. Better than the guys who wrote the idea page and didn't think of including it :> |
| 18:43.16 | VarunAgw | I have an idea for melange for GSoC 2015. "Replace IRC with skype" ;) |
| 18:43.39 | olly | shudders |
| 18:45.43 | YashM_ | lol no |
| 18:45.55 | olly | PulkoMandy: that's not necessarily true |
| 18:46.24 | olly | we've had a few very successful student proposed projects |
| 18:46.33 | olly | things we just hadn't thought of |
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| 18:46.51 | PulkoMandy | yes, I'm not saying it can't work (I was such a student myself, even) |
| 18:47.21 | PulkoMandy | but the idea has to match what the org need, so to achieve this the student must know the org rather well, I think |
| 18:47.24 | olly | the ones which don't work are things like trying to crowbar some idea into the closest org they can find, or don't appreciate the existing codebase they need to build on, etc |
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| 20:31.24 | schranzer | hey everyone - is this the right place to ask a question about gsoc2015? |
| 20:33.04 | teepee | schranzer: sure, but as that's not started yet, it might be difficult to answer |
| 20:33.10 | teepee | but just ask anyway :) |
| 20:33.23 | schranzer | haha, ok. |
| 20:34.30 | schranzer | so i'm working at a university, have a rough idea/project that i would like to be the mentor for, and my question is how i would go about this. |
| 20:34.50 | schranzer | should i propose to be an "organisation" or should i find an open source organisation to be a mentor for, or ... ? |
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| 23:12.28 | SirCmpwn | I think the idea is that you should have an established project with lots to do |
| 23:13.51 | SirCmpwn | oh, he's gone. |
| 23:13.54 | SirCmpwn | now I feel silly. |
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| 23:16.40 | SirCmpwn | I do have a question of my own, though |
| 23:16.54 | SirCmpwn | in the FAQ, I see the question "What is the main development mailing list for your organization?" |
| 23:17.15 | SirCmpwn | are organizations that don't use a mailing list (mine prefers to collaborate over github) elegible to be involved in gsoc? |
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| 23:21.25 | teepee | SirCmpwn: looks like there's a tiny number of orgs from 2014 that do not list a mailing list, so it's probably not mandatory |
| 23:21.33 | SirCmpwn | thanks, teepee |
| 23:21.57 | teepee | but you can still ask that when applying next year and create one :) |
| 23:22.21 | SirCmpwn | well, we have a mailing list, but it's dusty and empty |
| 23:22.38 | SirCmpwn | it's just there in case someone isn't comfortable with github |
| 23:23.29 | valorie | since it isn't free software, presumably that is a lot |
| 23:25.20 | teepee | well, git is opensource and that's the part that matters |
| 23:29.10 | SirCmpwn | I'd be cool with getting the mailing list a bit more alive |
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| 23:30.47 | valorie | yes, we use git in KDE too |
| 23:30.54 | valorie | not github however |
| 23:31.26 | valorie | and lots of MLs... can't imagine life without mail lists, but then I'm old |
| 23:31.43 | SirCmpwn | I don't mind mailing lists but they aren't as easy to get into |
| 23:31.51 | SirCmpwn | and I like to make it easy for new contributors |
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| 23:34.05 | valorie | hmmm, I see them as super easy - they are free, and everyone has email |
| 23:34.16 | valorie | text is low-bandwidth |
| 23:34.17 | SirCmpwn | not for a noob |
| 23:34.35 | valorie | anything on web is only for people with good bandwidth |
| 23:34.36 | SirCmpwn | the average person has to figure out how to get gmail to send plaintext email and not screw it up |
| 23:34.50 | SirCmpwn | and getting into the mailing list culture takes time |
| 23:35.10 | valorie | sure, but isn't that true for ALL cultures? |
| 23:35.24 | valorie | including forums, github, discourse, or whatever you use? |
| 23:35.46 | SirCmpwn | well, there are some intricacies that aren't obvious, like top posting |
| 23:35.54 | SirCmpwn | or exactly how to format your patches |
| 23:36.00 | SirCmpwn | I know it took me a little while to get comfortable |
| 23:36.44 | valorie | I think we all have the same goal: make it easy for the new contributor |
| 23:36.50 | valorie | but there is no magic for that |
| 23:36.59 | SirCmpwn | I dunno |
| 23:36.59 | valorie | except one human helping another |
| 23:37.16 | SirCmpwn | github is the new hotness, I think it's more likely for joe coder to be familiar with it than with mailing lists these days |
| 23:37.23 | valorie | sure |
| 23:37.31 | SirCmpwn | getting people into an IRC channel to receive help is tough, too |
| 23:37.35 | valorie | and it isn't opensource, and it is high-bandwidth |
| 23:37.43 | SirCmpwn | drive-by IRC is really frustratingly common |
| 23:37.47 | valorie | yes |
| 23:37.52 | valorie | soooooo common |
| 23:50.28 | SirCmpwn | valorie: I guess it's worse considering that the project I oversee can be pretty hard to get into |
| 23:50.46 | SirCmpwn | we had to write our own toolchain so the prerequisites involve compiling and installing something like 5 tools |
| 23:50.57 | valorie | well, I think all FOSS wants to be open |
| 23:51.08 | valorie | but for various reasons, is rather hard |
| 23:51.41 | valorie | given the nature of the humans who want to do FOSS, I don't see that changing much |
| 23:52.25 | valorie | but I don't give up trying various strategies to upon up to *everyone* -- because we are missing the women, missing the Africans, missing the poor |
| 23:53.14 | SirCmpwn | this discussion has prompted me to make a proper mailing list and get people using it, though |
| 23:53.24 | SirCmpwn | I've been wanting a better ML for a while |
| 23:56.09 | valorie | I've loved mail lists since before the internet |
| 23:56.28 | valorie | newsgroups and MLs were my way into the online world |
| 23:56.36 | valorie | before browsers |
| 23:56.38 | SirCmpwn | I think they would be a good way to encourage retention if the bulk of the discussion happened there |
| 23:56.49 | SirCmpwn | nothing like getting emails about a project all the time to remind you to stay involved ;) |
| 23:56.55 | valorie | yes, because *archives* |
| 23:57.00 | valorie | the memory of the group |
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| 23:57.24 | valorie | the riches are there |
| 23:57.31 | SirCmpwn | slightly (more like entirely) off topic: does anyone here know of a good place to find gratis design work for open source projects? |
| 23:58.23 | SirCmpwn | the logo for this project is old and ugly as hell and none of the core contributors can design their way out of a box |
| 23:58.44 | SirCmpwn | I'm doing a general clean-up to prep for GSOC and it may be a good time to fix that |