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| 04:29.32 | abhishekgupta | channels? |
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| 04:46.28 | ESphynx | so retouching our ideas list, I'm wondering about the ideas breakdown and difficulty level... depending on a student's skills & experience, a bunch of small items might make a 'medium' proposal fill up the 3 months and a good learning opportunity, while 1 or 2 might make an 'easy' proposal for a student with less experience... |
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| 04:49.49 | pedro | Any idea if there is any type of projects suitable for a student in comp. sci first year? Or should I wait for the next year? |
| 04:50.39 | pedro | I am having troubles finding something suitable for my knowledge level but would still make a interesting and useful project. |
| 04:51.01 | ESphynx | pedro: I believe you should be able to find something suitable for you :) |
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| 04:52.04 | ESphynx | the organizations are not done registering yet :) I'm still working on our ideas page, trying to ensure there are ideas suitable for more beginning students :) |
| 04:53.21 | pedro | What organization do you work for? Sorry if I am being unpolite by making such a question. |
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| 04:54.03 | ESphynx | pedro: Ecere... see our ideas list @ http://ecere.org/ideas/ |
| 04:54.17 | tierra | ESphynx: I think a lot of orgs have challenged more experienced students to take on more than one idea in the list for their proposals, and I certainly agree with listing a good variety of easy vs hard projects |
| 04:54.35 | ESphynx | tierra: ah that's interesting to know then. |
| 04:54.46 | ESphynx | so even if I break things down very small, I could challenge students to take on more than one? |
| 04:55.05 | tierra | assuming no other students are working on the same ideas, yes |
| 04:55.13 | ESphynx | tierra: the thing about easy vs. hard is that anything broken down is easy. |
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| 04:56.18 | ESphynx | perhaps I'll include a note about related ideas, and that students are welcome to include multiple smaller related ideas in their proposal |
| 04:56.32 | ESphynx | (if they feel like they could tackle it all together) |
| 04:57.02 | ESphynx | pedro: note that I still need to break down or add easier ideas to that list :) |
| 04:58.35 | tierra | yeah, it's a good idea, just make sure the scope is clear in their proposals right from the beginning since choosing to take up that challenge and failing to meet the requirements is still a fail end the end of the program |
| 04:58.52 | tierra | *at the end |
| 04:59.08 | ESphynx | tierra: ah I'll mention that as well then. |
| 04:59.27 | ESphynx | tierra: but if they were 'not' to include that, and take more on, that would pass right? |
| 04:59.59 | tierra | yeah |
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| 05:02.11 | pedro | ESphynx: All the projects sound and look interesting, but still I don't meet most of the pre-requisites. |
| 05:02.23 | tierra | and if they don't include it, also make sure they complete the initial proposal first before starting on extra work unrelated to the program... it'd be sad to see a student start work on something outside the scope of their proposal thinking they can take it on, and then run out of time to complete the original proposal |
| 05:03.11 | ESphynx | pedro: well, what courses have you taken yet? Any object oriented language class yet? |
| 05:03.33 | ESphynx | tierra: understood. |
| 05:03.47 | tierra | although, sometimes that happens because the requirements of the original proposal change mid-program, and other features become the priority to the organization, in which case it can certainly still be a pass |
| 05:04.24 | ESphynx | tierra: ah ok good. yes, one of the reason I'm having trouble with the breakdown is that there is a lot of inter-dependencies, even with the breakdown I already have... |
| 05:04.52 | tierra | this is all still very open ended to GSoC, it's really up to your org to decide in the end if the student was "successful" |
| 05:04.54 | ESphynx | and as things start being developed we'll get a better idea of what should be done first... |
| 05:05.09 | ESphynx | ah OK good to know |
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| 05:06.07 | ESphynx | tierra: any particular criteria? in the end I think if the student brings us much closer to achieving the goals of one of our ideas then that's definitely a 'passed' for me |
| 05:06.27 | tierra | I just recommend keeping the goals and scope of the project requirements as clear as possible because otherwise it becomes hard to decide what constitutes a "pass" |
| 05:06.38 | ESphynx | k |
| 05:06.49 | pedro | ESphynx: I have taken Haskell, but I am autonomously learning Python and start C this semester. The timing of GSoC is not really compatible. I think It won't be an easy task to find something that suits me, so probably, this year I will bet in following projects instead. |
| 05:08.16 | ESphynx | pedro: it's up to you of course, but if you manage to find your away around programming things in Python and C you'd be able to take something on |
| 05:09.14 | ESphynx | it's quite interesting that you have taken Haskell as your first programming class? :) |
| 05:09.54 | pedro | ESphynx: Although I will probably find my way around the time when applications open, I wouldn't feel confortable myself by accpeting projects where I am not sure I will meet what is expected from me. |
| 05:11.02 | pedro | I really need to proofread what I am writing :( |
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| 05:11.57 | ESphynx | pedro: are you 18 already? :) |
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| 05:12.02 | pedro | ESphynx: Haskell is mandatory class in my University, so I didn't really have a choice. |
| 05:12.15 | tierra | pedro: you still have a good amount of time before the student application period opens (and closes) to start talking with open source projects about their interest in the program, and you can even already pull up idea lists from them right now (a lot leave it up and running year-round) |
| 05:12.17 | pedro | ESphynx: Yes, I am. |
| 05:12.19 | ESphynx | I get the feeling Google wants to encourage first-year students to participate as well |
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| 05:13.34 | pedro | ESphynx: I am inclined to work on a project that focus in-house optimization tools, something that can be easly done in Python. |
| 05:14.13 | pedro | ESphynx: But I am losing my hope in finding something like that. |
| 05:14.15 | ESphynx | pedro: given Python's popularity, I'm quite sure you'll be able to find a lot of potential work in Python if that's what you're most familiar with |
| 05:14.38 | ESphynx | pedro: did you take a look at the organizations which participated last year? |
| 05:15.15 | ESphynx | there should also be 'python' tags to find relevant organizations |
| 05:16.09 | pedro | ESphynx: Ok, I have been going trough them today in no particular order. Tomorrow I will focus on Python then. |
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| 05:16.55 | ESphynx | pedro: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014 -- did you look at this page? lots of 'python' there |
| 05:16.58 | tierra | generally speaking, a "comfortable" spot (by the time the application period opens) might only be knowing how to contribute to the organization, and being at least somewhat familiar with the technology the project is built on (the programming language, and maybe some of it's framework/libraries)... a lot of the time, it's just that easy |
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| 05:18.06 | pedro | This coming from someone that is a newbie in this matters, It can be intimidating at the first glance. |
| 05:18.25 | tierra | a big goal for GSoC is really entirely about getting students *started* with an open source project they have some interest in |
| 05:19.11 | tierra | so newbie projects are definitely still encouraged |
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| 05:21.41 | tierra | also note that a large section of your project proposal (assuming you submit one) is going to ask about your background and experience, and the organizations themselves will certainly have a good idea whether your over-extending yourself into something that might not be possible in 3 months... they should let you know if that's the case, even before the proposal deadline hits |
| 05:22.50 | pedro | tierra: I would never apply to something that I know I can't possibly do, that is why finding something suitable for me is such an intimidating task. |
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| 05:24.23 | tierra | that's fair |
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| 05:26.56 | tierra | well, my best advice right now is just finding a project that's built on Haskell or Python that you have a passion in, and has expressed interest in applying for GSoC (or has even already announced that they did) |
| 05:27.05 | tierra | and start talking with them |
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| 05:27.39 | tierra | don't worry too much about potential projects just yet |
| 05:28.48 | tierra | let them know your interested in participating, and what your background is, and there's a decent chance they'll have some project suggestions for you |
| 05:28.58 | tierra | and you can look into it from there |
| 05:29.12 | valorie | pedro, at least in KDE of course we want a good proposal, but selecting good *students* is most important |
| 05:29.23 | pedro | I will make sure I will do that. I really wanted to enter in the open source ecosystem, but I don't feel compelled to carelessly rush it. |
| 05:30.01 | valorie | we want a student who not only will be successful and create great code, but who will become part of the community and support that code long-term |
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| 05:30.40 | valorie | it's a loss if the student disappears after GSoC, even if their work itself was top-notch |
| 05:31.11 | valorie | I'll bet most orgs have the same goal |
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| 05:31.18 | pedro | Yea, persistence is something that organizations prioritize and is fully understandable. |
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| 05:33.34 | pedro | I have gone trough KDE projects from last year and they all seem to have a real clear porpuse. Although the community seeming to be healthy, KDE is just one more org, where I cannot apply due to lack of requirements. |
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| 05:36.10 | valorie | I'm not trying to get you to apply to us; just explaining that it is about much more than coding skill |
| 05:37.02 | valorie | at least for us |
| 05:37.25 | ESphynx | pedro: but restating the obvious, if you want to work in Python, find an org that does Python :P don't lose faith because those few you looked at require C++ or Qt skills :) |
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| 05:41.30 | pedro | ESphynx: I will try :) As I said I don't want to rush it, if I don't participate in this GSoC, I will do in the next years, and anyway I plan to volunteer to develop in-house optimization tools, intranet utilities for my regional hospital. I just want to earn some experience and help the community somehow and there is plenty of ways to do it. |
| 05:43.24 | ESphynx | awesome :) most orgs will always welcome new contributors and provide some guidance, even outside of GSoC :) |
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| 05:46.17 | valorie | absolutely! |
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| 13:37.48 | ujjwal | is its a bad practice to apply for 2-3 different organizations working with different technologies? |
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| 13:38.35 | teepee- | ujjwal: no, that's fine |
| 13:38.41 | kblin | ujjwal: not if you can write 2-3 good applications |
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| 13:39.37 | new_nick101 | Hi |
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| 13:39.43 | himangi | Hi |
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| 13:40.18 | new_nick101 | I'm new to gsoc? Can you help me? |
| 13:40.25 | himangi | sure |
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| 13:49.19 | optimus__prime | Hi.. |
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| 17:27.18 | abcd123 | hi |
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| 17:28.37 | sam286 | Hi |
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| 17:29.14 | sam286 | I'm new to gsoc |
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| 17:30.34 | sam286 | How do I apply for Gsoc? |
| 17:30.44 | ESphynx | welcome sam286 :) application hasn't started yet but checkout the page |
| 17:30.51 | ESphynx | https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2015 |
| 17:30.58 | ESphynx | read the FAQ :) |
| 17:31.39 | sam286 | I know python, C and C++. In which projects can I apply with maximum chances of selection? |
| 17:33.05 | ESphynx | sam286: I think it goes along the lines of find a project / organization that interests you, get in touch with them and start contributing already, write up an awesome proposal and hope for the best :) |
| 17:33.17 | adam_vollrath | you should apply to the project where you can contribute the most value. It's not a lottery, so pick the project for which you can write your best proposal. |
| 17:33.44 | sam286 | How can I start contributing? |
| 17:33.54 | blast007 | sam286: you can look through the organization list from last year to get an idea of those which may participate this year (and you can filter it by keywords) |
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| 17:39.08 | jzaefferer | The jQuery Foundation is applying for the first time this year. We have our ideas list up here: https://github.com/jquery/gsoc/wiki/GSoC-2015-Ideas-List |
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| 17:47.41 | teepee- | jzaefferer: I think adding a "difficulty level" or similar would be a good addition to the template |
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| 17:48.33 | jzaefferer | teepee-: I've seen that recommended somewhere before, and thought about it. Its very hard to pin down, but I guess we should try anyway. Thanks for the hint! |
| 17:48.58 | jzaefferer | teepee-: I think my reference, the KDE wiki, didn't have that. Do you haven an example where difficulty or similar is listed? |
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| 17:49.46 | ESphynx | jzaefferer: We're having a hard time with that too :P |
| 17:49.59 | ESphynx | jzaefferer: pretty sure the KDE ideas list had one though |
| 17:51.51 | jzaefferer | ESphynx: true, they list "Skill level", but its missing in the proposal template, which is what I've started with |
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| 17:54.11 | jzaefferer | Well, I'll get that added |
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| 18:04.59 | shreyashshriyam | Hi! |
| 18:05.44 | shreyashshriyam | I am new to Gsoc. Can you help me? |
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| 18:09.19 | PedroMa | have you already gone trough the FAQ page on https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page |
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| 18:22.52 | ns2494 | Hi! |
| 18:22.52 | kld | Hi - we run several open-source projects at a few different national labs including NASA, the National Renewable Energy Laboratory, and Sandia National Laboratories; we have several folks interested in mentoring on projects for summer of code, but the last time we tried in 2008, we ran into some legal issues. I'm wondering if someone can talk with me offline about the current status of government organizations serving as mentoring organiz |
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| 18:26.09 | scorche|sh | kld: sounds like you should send an email to carols |
| 18:27.24 | kld | thanks - will do |
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| 18:34.40 | ESphynx | with all this reorganizing, I went from 13 ideas to 55 :| |
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| 18:53.23 | cs_shadow | !faq |
| 18:53.23 | gsocbot | cs_shadow: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page |
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| 19:11.23 | aryaman_gupta | hi |
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| 20:05.26 | cs_shadow | Is it a good idea to include links to excellent proposals from previous years in our ideas page, to showcase how a good proposal looks like? |
| 20:05.42 | cs_shadow | Or will that encourage more plagiarism rather than inspiration? |
| 20:06.14 | gevaerts | I know there are organisations that do that sort of thing |
| 20:07.04 | gevaerts | And if those previous projects were successful, I don't see much room for plagiarism, to be honest |
| 20:07.32 | gevaerts | I'd recommend only using proposals marked as public by the student though |
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| 20:09.25 | cs_shadow | Agrred, But I was wondering that we have an Ideas template already, which is divided into sections in a decent manner |
| 20:09.44 | cs_shadow | Does providing sample proposals will really help? |
| 20:10.20 | gevaerts | I can't say for sure of course, but I'd expect they will, yes |
| 20:10.47 | gevaerts | They should give a better idea on e.g. how much detail you expect |
| 20:12.48 | cs_shadow | Sounds reasonable. |
| 20:12.52 | cs_shadow | gevaerts: Thanks! |
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| 21:24.12 | twitch153 | Hello, I had a question regarding the tax forms for US participators. I completed a project last year for GSoC and I was wondering if there was anything I needed to do in order to get my tax papers besides wait. |
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| 21:30.09 | jumedina | Hi! I got two questions that I wanted to confirm because I couldn't find them on guides |
| 21:30.43 | jumedina | Do mentors have to create a new profile if they participated last year? and can we edit organization profile details once submitted (I know we can iterate the questionnaire)? We don't have a fixed url for ideas page yet |
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| 21:32.48 | Robert_S_ | Every year is independent, and yes, you should be able to edit things. |
| 21:33.09 | jumedina | thanks! |
| 21:34.50 | downey | sttaylor: heard a rumor some of the team would be at FOSSASIA, true? :) |
| 21:35.07 | sttaylor | downey: yes, Cat will be there |
| 21:35.08 | sttaylor | : ) |
| 21:35.14 | downey | cool beans :) |
| 21:35.19 | sttaylor | will you? |
| 21:35.20 | downey | yep |
| 21:35.37 | sttaylor | sweet |
| 21:36.43 | downey | sttaylor: will be hoping to check out one or two of https://sofood.wordpress.com/2012/03/02/realhotchoc-sg/ |
| 21:37.41 | sttaylor | I am filing that link away for future use : ) |
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| 21:54.26 | downey | notices the lack of tea around here |
| 21:55.34 | exploreshaifali | ships a part of her tea to #gsoc channel |
| 21:55.44 | exploreshaifali | :P |
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| 21:59.57 | NikolaiToryzin | downey: Good point |
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| 22:53.26 | carols | serves some afternoon tea and coffee |
| 22:54.06 | meflin | mmm first tea all day here :) thanks |
| 23:00.10 | carols | meflin: yw :-) |
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| 23:29.58 | Abhishek_ | carols: Would this years' students be visiting the mentors' summit as it happened last year? |
| 23:30.25 | Abhishek_ | I mean GSoC '15 to-be students |
| 23:31.12 | carols | Abhishek_: i donât expect so, no |
| 23:31.19 | carols | that was a special 10th anniversary event |
| 23:31.36 | Abhishek_ | k |
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