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| 04:00.00 | john | hello there. i have some questions about gsoc |
| 04:00.30 | thiago | ask them |
| 04:01.32 | john | i am a part time computer science student and i have a project i would like support in creating. is gsoc the type of experience where i would pitch the idea in the hopes that i can get help building it? |
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| 04:03.28 | olly | john: the orgs are generally looking for students to work on the software they already have rather than creating something new like that |
| 04:04.13 | john | i understand, that's what i had expected. |
| 04:05.16 | john | do you know of any resources where i might be able to get support in creating my product? i want to use google technologies to create it but need more skillful expertise. do you know of any programs, resdencies, or internships where i can get the support i need? |
| 04:06.01 | olly | i guess look at the websites for those technologies |
| 04:06.53 | thiago | you could apply as a student to GSoC with the Google Open Source Program Office as your org |
| 04:07.03 | thiago | if you plan on being the student doing the work, that is |
| 04:08.24 | olly | i think that's aimed more for students working on an academic project with a professor or similar to mentor the work |
| 04:08.40 | olly | OSPO don't provide a mentor anyway |
| 04:08.46 | john | yes, i would do the work i need to do in order to create a successful product and application. i just need support from more experienced programmers. |
| 04:09.15 | john | so ospo is not a viable option for me? |
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| 04:10.53 | olly | john: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page#16._What_if_there_is_no_organization |
| 04:10.54 | john | are there any programs you know of that might be what i'm looking for? |
| 04:11.08 | olly | "Please don't apply unless your proposed project has an academic research focus and you've already found an advisor from your university or industry to mentor you." |
| 04:12.03 | john | i see that, thank you olly |
| 04:12.09 | john | that's helpful information |
| 04:12.10 | olly | not that I'm aware of, but that doesn't mean much |
| 04:12.15 | ESphynx | john: what are you creating? :) |
| 04:12.55 | john | ok, i will keep searching. i need to find a way to talk to the kind folks over at maps, and write a proposal to see if they'll support my open source project |
| 04:12.59 | john | do you have any advice? |
| 04:13.34 | john | it's a map-based game and learning tool for people who want to learn programming |
| 04:13.45 | john | ^ re: esphynx |
| 04:13.49 | ESphynx | ah nice. |
| 04:13.50 | john | :) |
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| 07:28.11 | dberkholz | ESphynx: i wrote a blog post on the topic of recruiting new contributors, you might like it. http://redmonk.com/dberkholz/2012/07/10/how-to-recruit-open-source-contributors/ |
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| 10:58.54 | bubblewubble | has anybody uploaded their ideas list yet, among the orgs ? |
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| 11:11.23 | olly | bubblewubble: many (perhaps even most) orgs compile their ideas list on a wiki |
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| 18:57.35 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 18:57.40 | carols | hope everyoneâs having a nice friday |
| 18:57.51 | carols | or saturday for our friends across the international date line |
| 18:58.37 | meflin | mmm tea |
| 18:58.49 | downey | happy friday! |
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| 19:02.32 | carols | happy friday downey |
| 19:02.40 | carols | enjoy the tea meflin |
| 19:02.42 | carols | :-) |
| 19:02.51 | ESphynx | Happy Friday :) |
| 19:03.01 | meflin | first time in months I have no scheduled maintenance this weekend |
| 19:03.28 | meflin | poor poor sub-orgs ... all there idea's pages shall be reviewed ;) |
| 19:03.39 | carols | happy friday ESphynx |
| 19:04.09 | scorche|sh | sips tea |
| 19:04.19 | carols | hey scorche|sh |
| 19:04.28 | scorche|sh | hi! |
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| 19:06.04 | downey | meflin: weekend maintenance is the worst :) |
| 19:07.04 | meflin | goes with the job I'm afraid :) |
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| 19:07.46 | meflin | the alternative is 2am ... ( BTDT ) |
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| 19:10.58 | downey | our user time zones are such that there's no best time for maintenance, so it's all daytime hours Mon-Thu these days |
| 19:11.09 | meflin | nice :) |
| 19:11.19 | meflin | all of mine are local-TZ |
| 19:12.20 | meflin | office hours are the huge DO NOT TOUCH |
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| 19:15.23 | ESphynx | http://ec-lang.org/ideas/index2.html -- this is turning out to take a humongous amount of time to write :S |
| 19:16.19 | meflin | gsoc ( especially mentoring ) always takes more time then you think :) |
| 19:16.50 | ESphynx | :P |
| 19:18.04 | downey | ESphynx: looking very good to me |
| 19:18.27 | ESphynx | downey: thanks :) now I just have to write the remaining 80% :P |
| 19:18.37 | downey | you may have *too* many ideas in fact :-P |
| 19:18.47 | ESphynx | downey: is that a bad thing? |
| 19:19.04 | downey | i dunno ... it may be a student feels overwhelmed, but you've grouped them together which is nice |
| 19:19.28 | meflin | so far so good .. but I didn't skim the whole page I gave up TLDR |
| 19:19.32 | downey | just finished telling some mentors to take their target goals for their gsoc projects and cut them in half of what they expect :-) |
| 19:19.53 | ESphynx | downey: well what I did is take my original ideas and split them in 5 or so :P |
| 19:20.13 | meflin | if I recall new org? |
| 19:20.14 | ESphynx | and a few more 'easy' ones |
| 19:20.34 | ESphynx | meflin: us? we were never in the GsoC project... tried applying in 2009 and 2010 |
| 19:20.50 | ESphynx | (we actually had students wanting to do GSoC with us convince us to aply) |
| 19:20.59 | meflin | so 1-2 slots ... off the top of my head I would say 12 ideas at most |
| 19:21.16 | meflin | 6 min |
| 19:21.32 | ESphynx | meflin: so you're saying it's a bad thing that we have so many ideas? :S |
| 19:21.47 | ESphynx | I do realize we'll only get 1 or 2 students, and that's fine |
| 19:21.55 | meflin | well I've never been a student but my eyes glased over after a while |
| 19:22.02 | ESphynx | (hopefully 2, since we already have 3 interested students :)) |
| 19:22.14 | meflin | keep in mind an idea's page is also a first impression |
| 19:22.53 | meflin | I would also add a section "about us" to tell students who you are and what you do ... |
| 19:23.18 | ESphynx | meflin: yes, though links in the headers to bring to such pages, I plan to add an introduction section |
| 19:23.56 | meflin | people are lazy and might not click ;) especially if a student is looking at a dozen orgs |
| 19:24.05 | ESphynx | also I expect students to jump to their area of interest and only consider ideas in there... I'll probably add a jump-link towards the top as well describing the 8 or so areas of interest |
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| 19:24.31 | niks | hi |
| 19:24.47 | carols | hi niks |
| 19:24.56 | ESphynx | meflin: so basically these '8' ideas were expanded into smaller ideas where the student would decide what he wants to do in there... |
| 19:25.31 | ESphynx | I'm |
| 19:25.32 | niks | is it compulsory to have a Gmail id to participate in GSOC'15 ? |
| 19:25.54 | carols | niks: you must have a good account to login to the site and create a profile, yes |
| 19:26.00 | meflin | away |
| 19:26.33 | niks | Thank you. |
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| 19:27.18 | ESphynx | I'm a bit at a loss with what to do... Should I continue fleshing out these 60 ideas or so, or start trimming it down? If I trim in down I'm afraid it will remove a lot of potential interest in those ideas... |
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| 19:27.54 | carols | ESphynx: why are you concerned you need to trim your ideas list? |
| 19:28.11 | ESphynx | carols: meflin is saying he would say 12 ideas at most :P what do you think? |
| 19:28.28 | carols | ESphynx: i think you should have as many ideas as is appropriate for your organization |
| 19:28.30 | ESphynx | (since we're a new org) |
| 19:29.19 | downey | personally i think the important thing is that they're grouped/organized, and easy to find, which you've done with your contents & groupings |
| 19:29.22 | ESphynx | as our projects have huge ambitions, we have many ideas (these are just the top of the cake)... :) |
| 19:29.55 | carols | only you know whatâs right for your org :-) |
| 19:30.03 | ESphynx | downey: ah good. I tried to organize overall categories by easier to harder, and within each category ideas by easy to hard... but I find grouping by topic more important for a student to quickly find what he's interested in |
| 19:30.29 | ESphynx | ok thanks carols... I'll keep on writing then : |
| 19:30.42 | downey | ESphynx: and as we were saying, if nothing else you're making great progress for other new non-gsoc contributors |
| 19:30.49 | downey | time well spent either way |
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| 19:32.15 | ESphynx | downey yup. the timing isn't ideal though, I have other crucial things I should be doing (such as preparing for a demo on Monday and applying for funding we absolutely need), but I really hope for GSoC this year as I believe it would really help kickstart our community... |
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| 19:36.54 | downey | hehe, so it goes :-) |
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| 19:57.58 | meflin | ESphynx: the reason for that number ( that I just made up ) is ... focus on the most important |
| 19:58.10 | meflin | when those are at 100% then move on to more |
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| 22:35.48 | ESphynx | meflin: ah ok :) thanks for that advice |
| 22:36.17 | meflin | sorry I had to away :) |
| 22:36.23 | meflin | work issue |
| 22:38.23 | Arthur_D | up up and away! |
| 22:39.09 | meflin | I was away now I'm going to have a tea and take a nap :P |
| 22:39.50 | Arthur_D | ?? |
| 22:40.02 | Arthur_D | tea tends to make naps harder |
| 22:41.12 | meflin | do not bother me with trifiles |
| 22:41.25 | Arthur_D | trifiles? |
| 22:44.41 | meflin | trifles |
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